HiT 166: 'Red Pilled America' Turns NPR on Its Head

Ted Nugent gets canceled, and that's not even the worst part of the story. A blast of hate mail reveals the ugly truth about culture in 2023. We speak with Patrick Courrielche of 'Red Pilled America' fame on why his NPR-style show matters and the threat against conservative voices that could silence them all.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Hollywood and Total Podcast. Entertainment news and reviews without the book.
Hollywood Narrative, free speech, freeexpression. Now that's entertainment, and
here's your host, award winning filmcritic Persian Total. This week on the

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Hollywood and Toto Podcast, we sharewhere the latest cancel culture attack might be
a terrible sign of things to come. We open up the old mail bag
for some hate mail, and wespeak with a mind behind Red Pilled America,
the podcast that takes on the culturewars in a bold, fresh new
way. Yeah, the latest cancelculture attack matters more than most. Hang

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on, let me explain. RocketedNugent was scheduled to play at Avondal Brewing
Company this summer until the event organizerssaw some mean, nasty, terrible social
media attack on the guitar slinger andthey let the mob win again by canceling
the show. Or here's no Billboarddot Com, which apparently thinks that musicians
who lean to the right they're justbegging to be canceled, covered the story.

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It all started when it was announcedat the guitarist, who is outwardly
conservative and a longtime supporter of DonaldTrump, would be performing at the venue.
The post about the concert had thousandsof comments protesting the show and Nugent's
right wing political views. How manyof those folks were actually going to be
at the show or any other atthat venue or was it just antifa types

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across the country hoping to shut downa voice they don't like. Remember,
antifa is all about anti fascist,it's not about curdling free speech. Of
course. Next, billboard dot Comweighs in about Ugent's thought crimes why he
needed to be canceled. Here wego. His history of disturbing remarks also
includes saying that survivors at the ParkSchool shooting are wrong to blame the NRA

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for mass shootings, and that theFlorida students calling for gun control have no
soul and are mushy brained children.Those are sharp elbows, no doubt.
Is it any worse than Patty Laponesaying this on the cringe fest we call
the View. But I have saidthis before, and it's been newprint.

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I don't know what the difference betweenour Christian right and the Taliban is.
I have no idea what the differenceis. You're not the only person who's
said that. I don't. Ijust don't know what the difference is,
what's happening. But her career goeson and on, and she'll never be
canceled for her hate. She shouldn'tbe, by the way, But you
know what I'm saying. The RogerWaters think Floyd has said some terrible things

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about Israel over the years, commentsthat many think have bled into just downright
anti semitism. I tend to agree, but I'm at the judge and jury
here. He still tours the USof A with no cancelations to his credit.
Could he face a Nugent like situationwhere he's canceled sooner than later.
It's possible. Here's one obvious truth. Rockers are going to weigh their words

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very carefully moving forward when wrong opinionworn wrong tweet, and they could see
some of their gigs get canceled too. Their dugent isn't it also Ran,
He's an icon, He's got aton of great rock songs behind him.
If he's so easily canceled, andother acts may follow. And that leads

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back to episode one sixty four,where I shared how Kiss star Paul Stanley
spoke out against so called gender affirmationsurgery. For kids. I guess what
happened. Shortly after that episode wentlive, he backpedaled, shocking. Who
saw that coming? Actually mentioned itwas coming in the episode in question.
Nugent's cancelation tells you exactly why arock legend like Stanley would backpedal like he

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did. He didn't want to loseany work. Dee Snyder lost work recently.
Dee Snyder had the sin of saying, yeah, Paul Stanley has a
good point about what he said aboutgender affirmation surgery, and Snyder was about
to play the Pride Festival in SanFrancisco. Yeah, a rock and roll
star who loves the gay community somuch he happily signed on to play a

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Pride festival. Well, he gotbooted because he wasn't enough of an ally.
Let that think in not enough ofan ally to play the Pride Festival.
But I think the worst part ofthe story, and there's a lot
of terrible parts of this story,is the lack of outrage. How many
rock stars rushed to Nuchen's defense.You know, I hate what he says.
Not a fan don't agree, butthe show should go on. This

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shouldn't happen. No one said thateven more surprising, Conservative media basically took
a knee on this one. Iwent to Google News, where you kind
of capture all the different outlets weighingin. I don't think I saw one
conservative outlet. If I missed it, i'm sorry, but it was a
good faith effort, a good faithsearch. Nothing. It's becoming normal for
things like this to happen. Tosee right leading artists gets silence, get

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canceled, lose their work. That'sthe worst news of all. You're listening
to my dad's podcast. He criedlike a baby watching Snoopy Come Home.
I know I shouldn't, but Iget a kick out of riding my hate
mail. Sometimes it's just a differenceof opinion. I reviewed a movie.

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I hated it, They loved it. They're gonna let me have it.
You're an idiot for not liking blahblah blah. Dig the passion, even
if the tone is a little bitnasty. Sometimes the only death threat I've
ever received, Thank goodness, Whatwas when I said Bob's Burgers had jumped
the shark? It has, butI can't say it out loud anymore.

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But this note gut out of myskin. My recent bonus episode that's one
sixty five if you're keeping score,explored the insanity regarding that rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. Willie Nelson isin at the rifle age of ninety Jethro
Tull, the Monkeys, or theIndigo Girls. Shaka Khan just made the
cut, but not the Smiths orthe Iron Maiden. You get the drift.

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Here's a one reader responded to thestory though in an email. By
the way, I find it interesting, you would pick out all the black
artists and Don Cornelius to say theydon't belong in the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame, but a bunch ofold white dudes are stubbed, and the
ones who are in don't care factsor Black artists invented rock and roll,

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all forms of it, from soulto R and B to jazz defunct to
hip soul. That's his words.By the way, your way of looking
at it is through the eyes ofan MTV executive in the eighties when they
didn't want to play any black artistsbecause the fear that Middle America white wouldn't
understand the spinners. You use WillieNelson to make the argument of exclusion,
but it was really about Missy Elliottand Don Cornelius. You use the Baseball

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Hall of Fame as a reference forexclusion, but baseball had it wrong for
the first seventy years of its distance. But it's always some old white dude
like you holding on to some pastmemory saying dung bleep, like why ain't
the monkeys in the Hall of Fame? Why ain't the Partridge family in the
hall? They had just as manyhits as the monkeys. See how goofy

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I sound? Yeah, I dopretty damn goofy. Can't argue there,
pardon you wanted to respond, butyou know you don't feed the trolls,
and I held back. Now doesthis sound like someone who's open to reason.
He's got me as the old whitedude. Now who's the racist buddy?
First of all, I'm middle aged, I'm not old, and yes

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I am white. I don't thinkthat's a crime. Gotta check the gotta
check the rule book. That maybe changing. The letter really sums up
why I just am so frustrated bythe culture today. It's racism again and
again and again. And if youhave to pick and choose, oh,
that was racist. But then whenyou mentioned white people, it wasn't racist,
and then you mentioned more white peopleand it wasn't racist again. I

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think you argument it's got some holesin It doesn't matter what I did,
what I said. He's going toplay the race card early and often.
That's wide across the culture. It'sexhausting. I actually preferred that Bob's Burger's
death threat. To be honest.There's a very short list of conservatives who

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get pop culture. The great actorNick Sercy, Robert Davy, Andrew Claven,
the late oh so great Andrew Breitbart, and absolutely my next guest,
Patrick Carrelchi. He's famous for breakingthe NYA scandal where President Obama weaponize the
agency like never ever before. Yeah, the whole tan suit scandal meme.

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That's bs. Patrick proved it now. He's a co host and co creator
of Red Piled America alongside his wifeare on A Cortez. They tell long
form stories NPR style that speak toour troubled times. I think media bias,
immigration, government corruption, Artificial intelligenceRPA often looks at individual people to

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tell bigger stories that impact our livesacross the country. It's smart, it's
sober, it's often brilliant and Karaltiunderstands why an NPR like style can have
a powerful impact on the culture.He's a storyteller. Stories matter, stories
change hearts and minds. Again,a few people get that better than Patrick.

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I think you'd be really intrigued bythe insights he brings to the table.
I know one just absolutely floored me. I hope you enjoy my conversation
with the Red Pilled America's Patrick Kalti. Patter great to having on the show
now. Red Pilled America started asan NPR style show for right leaning audiences.
But how do you think it's evolvedover the years. I know it's

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often hard to critique ourselves, butas as a creator, as someone who's
been so involved with the show andyou're so hands on, how do you
think it's changed over time? Whereyou think the core mission is the same
and maybe there's some minor things thathave tweaked along the way. I'd say
one thing. Initially, we startedoff doing more profile pieces that that we

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aren't doing as much of now.But we've been burned a couple of times,
and you know, a couple oftimes we've had some people kind of
not be the characters that they interestingportrayed to the public, and so because
of that, we've been a littlebit more discerning about that. I would

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say that's one kind of big changesince the beginning, because I really love
just telling stories of just regular,everyday people, and a lot of times
they're just they're they're they're a littlebit more surprising, and a lot of
times, you know, when wedo kind of profile pieces, the people
are a little bit more guarded orthey just kind of put out what's already

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out there, and so it's kindof hard to get You really need to
get to to, you know,people to get relaxed and vulnerable to a
certain degree and trust you to bevulnerable with them or with you know,
with you to get to a goodstory. So okay, that's one thing.

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And I would say, um,we've our production has gotten better when
I listened to the big our firstshows, and sometimes we do a lot
of reruns, so we'll like whenwe're in the middle of producing, say
our next, our next new show, we'll post a kind of a flashback
episode. And when I do that, I have to kind of go back
to those old episodes and listen tothem. And I thought that our show

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is just so well produced we firststarted it, and when we go back
to those episodes, it's like,oh man, how did I even how
did this show even get off thebat? That is the podcast there was.
I think that's a common refrain.Even the best, the biggest,
We'll look back at their early episodesand wins a bit. But I think
I think your team hit the groundrunning. So I may beg to different,
but I know, and we're oftenmore critical about ourselves. I'd say

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our storytelling in a lot of wayshas gotten better as well too. I
remember I was years ago. Iwas talking to an old FOA, one
of the guys that founded FOA,and that's Friends of Abes, the conservative
that the Friends of Abes is aconservative kind of secret club in Hollywood.
And this guy was a screenwriter,and it was kind of an off the

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record, off the record conversation.So I'm not gonna say whose name was,
but I asked him a question andI can't remember what it was,
but he answered a different question andit kind of it stuck with me.
And he answered the question how tobecome a good writer? And his response
was to that, to that question, was it just takes time and you

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have to continue to write and writeand write and write. And it took
me a while to understand what apiece of wisdom that was. But now,
after all of this time, youknow, later it's you know,
I think I had that conversation withhim in two and seventeen. It took
me a while to kind of reallyunderstand that at that time I had already

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been writing on and off for sixseven years, eight years, that that
little piece of wisdom that he handedoff. You know, you start writing
a you know, semi weekly show. I mean we would post something every
week, but you know, weprobably do maybe thirty five to forty episode
new episodes a year, and ittakes so much time to kind of really

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understand how to start a story,how you know, have a middle,
beginning, middle, and end,and how you pull people in at the
beginning, and how you want toclose it. And so that took some
time to understand. And then oncethe writing gets better than everything kind of
starts to flow from rative. It'sall about the reps. It's all about
the time spent, the practice,the repetition and really focusing on what you're

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doing and also trying to improve.So that's I mean, it's a great
lesson across the board, it is, and I think, but you know,
the one thing that really that stuckout, I'm kind of just verbalizing
it now for the first time.One of the things that I grabbed from
that was a real kind of thereason why we don't see so many more
conservative, like at least publicly conservativewriters like screenwriters and creatives out there is

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because i'd say, maybe pre twothousand and you know, fifteen or so
too, maybe right around that time, the only infrastructure that you had was
the Hollywood infrastructure, and the onlyway to get or the literature infrastructure,
and the only way to get goodat it was to kind of work within
that industry. And if you don't, if you get pushed out because you're

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a right of center or for anyother reason that you're not working out that
muscle. I think that's part ofthe reason why the left has been able
to dominate the creative world, thestorytelling world for so long is because they've
been able to keep people out ofthe gym of working out. And so
i'd say, you know, whenthe podcast world started to come along,

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it started and streaming in general,it started to break down those technological barriers
and opening up possibilities for people tomake ends meet by doing something on their
own, which is I think we'vereally been, if I can say this,
we've been a pioneers in this inthis arena that of kind of constantly

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writing, and you know, sometimeswe aren't good. You know, sometimes
we'll put up something and it wasn'texactly how we want to put it out,
and if we had maybe a couplemore weeks to work on it,
we would have refined it and itgotten it better. But you know,
that's another thing I think people kindof always kind of inhibits people from doing
something, is wanting to make itperfect before they put it out. And

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I'd say that, you know,that's part of the reason why you don't
see a lot more creatives, youknow, in the storytelling industry, is
because they haven't had a platform tobe able to do it, because they've
been shut out of all of theseindustries. And now that the technology is
there to where they can start tocreate their own stuff and they could start
to put together you know, podcastsand start to find a way with you

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know, with all these kinds ofyou know, the Patreons of the world
whether it be locals or Patreon orcreating their own site like we've done,
you can actually start to make aliving and start to work that muscle out
and bypass the establishment, the Hollywoodestablishment. Yeah, and just a quick
note, you mentioned friends of A. If you mentioned the screenwriter, you
said you didn't want to send,you know, share that person's name.

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I don't want to skip over thatbecause I think we often do. We're
used to it. But isn't itamazing that a screenwriter who approached you and
had a very basic but important messageto send that we can share his name
because that might hurt his career.I mean, I'm laughing, and it's
not funny, but I think that'sjust the realm we live in right now.

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But I don't want anyone to forgetthat at how that little piece of
information does speak volumes and the factthat if you're a left of center creative
in any way, you can saywhatever you want. He can be as
mean, as cruel, as political, as as sharp edged as possible,
and there will be no repercussions.But if you're a screenwriter who is associating
with the Friends of ABE, therecould be consequences and I'm not obviously,

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I'm I appreciate you protecting that person, but just that state of affairs really
matters, and I don't, Idon't want to ever forget that. It's
you know, it's even worse forthis guy because he was at the time
when we were speaking, he waswriting for a cable network and he wasn't
going to be even able to usehis name to put that to put that

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stuff out. And it's it's likeit takes you back to the old Hollywood
Blacklist. Yeah, you know,the four and fifties. It's he's you
know, he was living that atthat very moment to where he you know,
credit in the storytelling industry is ahuge thing. I mean there's whole
unions put together and and kind ofyou know, systems put together to make

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sure that everybody gets credit for theirwork. And this guy was telling me
that he was writing on something andhe wasn't going to likely be using his
name because his name was already kindof associated with the right in many ways.
And and it didn't they you know, was thoughts that it might hurt
the project. Yeah, that's it'sjust amazing. That's the level. That's

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a level that that we're you know, it's like, you know, it's
a religion and you're not their religion, and you're trying to get to the
pew of their you know, withintheir you know, you know, cathedral,
and they're not going to allow youto do that if you don't abide
by their religious doctrine. Well,one person who didn't abide by anyone's religious

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doctrine was Tucker Carlson, who wasat a Fox. In recent days,
everyone's saying, well, no matterwhere he lands, it'll be better for
him. He may go independent,he may start his own company. Who
knows what happens next, but itfeels like that's the future for a lot
of the best independent voices. Thatthey can't align with a network, they
can't be part of a brand,that they have to go solo if they're

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able to do. You see thatas being a sort of the slow demise
of cable TV? Is that Doyou think that both these kind of platforms
will survive? What are your whatare your thoughts on that that evolution in
this game. I think Cable's goingto survive because there's a certain segment of
the population that just wants things easyto flip on a TV and kind of

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be told something and go on withtheir day. I think with one of
the things that this this, youknow, I've tried to keep positive with
this, and I think that it'sa good opportunity for the independent media for
a guy like Tucker Carlson to potentiallybecause I don't think he's going to land

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anywhere within the establishment media if hecontinues to do what he does, and
I can't imagine him not doing that, I could see it being a good
opportunity for independent media to kind ofgrow. But the one thing I don't
want to leave on this is andI think that a lot of people aren't.
This isn't this information isn't quite outthere yet right now. But the

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power of the advertising world to pushpeople out is becoming just more and more
powerful. These brands are really havethe kind of have more power than I
think a lot of people realize,and they're getting more now because they because
of AI, because of artificial intelligence. These AI systems now are combing through

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the transcripts of certain of every showfor that matter, a lot of a
lot of shows right now. It'sjust starting to enter into the podcast world
and they're combing through them and ratingthese shows and whether this is what they're
saying, is is stuff that anadvertiser should stay away from, and they're

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giving these shows ratings and then theadvertisers can stay away from them if it
enters into a certain category. Andjust so happens that a lot of those
categories tend to be what conservatives talkabout. Yeah, and that it's a
major, major thing that is justgetting more and more seeping into the business,

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and the AI is getting much it'snot just a transcript anymore. They're
actually able to read tone. Andif you've all interacted with AI kind of
these new chat bought things, youcould get a feel for how sophisticated they're
getting now. And and so Ithink that is one of the reasons.

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I mean, I think there's probablya long list of reasons why Tucker got,
you know, let Go from FoxNews. I have to think that
part of it has to do withadvertising and his end a challenge with getting
advertising for his show. And that'sa great point. And by the way,
I listened to a recent Claim Buckepisode and they they're the team that

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replaced Rush Limbaugh, and they mentionedhow major companies that you think would love
to have their large, large audiencedon't go near them. Major ad companies
say yeah, thanks, but nothanks, I'm not going to advertise on
your show, even though it's areally good fit for the demographic because those
reasons, because they are right leaning. Because whether it's it's a you know

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I I or some other formula isinvolved, they just don't want to be
seen with those ad networks that wantto be on that program. So that's
it's a great point. It's notsaid nearly enough. And I don't even
know how you defeat that or youconquer that or you deal with that,
but it is an existing problem.I think you know a lot of these
companies, and this is it's beenthe premise of this show, is that
we need to create our own eCossystem and our own kind of narrative machine,

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our own storytelling industry, and driveculture towards our direction. And I
think you know that is why you'regoing to see a lot more people going
towards a subscription model because the advertisingdollars just won't get thrown our direction.
Most of these brands are you know, have you know these diversity inclusion and

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equity officers there that check out theseratings. You've got these big investment firms
like black Rock Fit that forced thesecorporations to to go in a certain direction,
uh, you know, in acertain left direction. And so there's
this entire ecosystem that's set up againstconservatives to you know, to flourish within.

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So you have to create your ownenvironment, you have to create your
own systems, and I think that'swhy a lot of us are, you
know, turning to a subscription model. And we're obviously, you know,
we have advertising on our show,and it's a big part of our show
and and we um, you know, we love when when we we have
adversisers come on board, because youknow, it makes the show more viable.

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But it is also something that wecan see the future on and see
the way that this AI is startingto to you know, take over.
I mean we I recently did akind of a comparison. I was talking
to one of these chatbots and comparingcomparing them, you know, a commentator
on the left and a commentator onthe right, and see how they what

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their facts were on these people,they're quote unquote facts. And of course
every left person that we talked aboutwas kind of even and balanced didn't didn't
have any political bias. I mean, the chatbot literally said that. And
the people on the right were controversialand had a lot of you know,
scandals associated with them, associated withtheir political beliefs and what have you.

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And and these are the systems thatthese corporations are using to decide whether they
want to place money with a certainadvertiser or with a certain program. So,
you know, these are the challengesthat we're faced with, and the
only way in my mind to combatthis is to kind of create our own
systems and you know, kind ofpush you one, create a viable system

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so that people can make a livingat it, and then once that base
is created, to start pushing culturein a certain direction via you know,
our own narrative machine. Yeah.Now, obviously storytelling is first and foremost
from Red Pilled America from episode one, no matter what sort of technical changes
have been along the way. Butwe're seeing more of that, as Steve
Deecee we spoke to on this podcasta few weeks ago, created a movie

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Nefarious. The Deli Wire is allin on entertainment, movies, comedy shows,
you name it, kids programming.Nick Sercy has bounced between making traditional
films and also making documentaries. Arepeople on the right finally getting the message
you've been beating the drama Andrew Cleavenhas Andrew Britbart did before he'd passed on.
Is the message getting through how storytellingis so important right now? Or

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or they're more more steps along theway for people on the right. The
one thing that I think that that'sa lot of these conservative media outlets they
like to stay in their wheelhouse.They'll talk a lot about politics being downstream
of culture, but they aren't doinga lot of kind of culture segments or
culture features or or you know,um, there's some financial kind of reasons

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why they're not doing that. Maybethey want to get some kind of advertising
dollars from from the one or twoor three films that are put out there,
from the Better Writer Center, orthere's a lot of siloing off you
know, so if you're not partof a certain conservative network, they don't
cover you. They kind of onlycover people within their network. So I
think that that there. I thinkthe idea has definitely seeped in. I

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mean, we've done episodes on thisand and started to mark you know,
certain characters talking about storytelling kind offor the first time and something that we've
been watching you very very closely fora while now. So I think the
message has gotten out there, butwe don't have the infrastructure yet to where,

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you know, there's five or tenChristian totos that if we put a
film out that we can go toand and you know, promote a film,
or there's you know, the aculture editor that focuses more on who's
creating on the right as opposed towhat the dumb things the left are saying
in their films. Yeah. Imean that's kind of the way that most

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conservative media handles, you know,covering culture. Now. I can think
of two main conservative news sites.I won't mention either one, and the
way they do cover culture and Hollywoodis exactly that. It's it's very hit
or miss. It doesn't connect thedots. It doesn't act in a promotional
manner in the way that a ifa Michael Moore comes out with a new

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movie tomorrow, it's going to bea Hollywood Reporter, Variety, Deadline,
the Rap, Vanity Fair GQ.I mean, he's going to get wall
to wall coverage no matter what hedoes. If it's a great movie,
it's a terrible movie. It's just, you know, whatever, whatever the
product, he's got that network andeven then it's not enough. And that's
how challenging this is. Because I'veseen a lot of independent films where they
get a lot of press, alot of love, a lot of attention,

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then they make under a million dollars. So that's how hard it is.
And if you don't have that networkor infrastructure, it makes it even
more challenging. You know, I'vebeen just obsessed with censorship of Late It
keeps me up at night literally,and I think things are getting worse.
But I'm curious, one if yourshow has any issues in that regard,
or you've been allowed to say whatyou want to say. But more importantly,

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are there any hopeful signs? Canyou point to things in the culture
where you can say, gosh,that's that's a that's an omen that's that's
a that's a sign of progress.Because I don't want to get dower on
the subject, but it's hard notto get dower. Well, I'd say
that, you know, an obviousone is Elon purchasing Twitter, and the
site's not perfect, and I thinkthere's a lot of people that were booted

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from the site that still should beon it. I think that there's a
lot of things that you can't sayon that site that you should be able
to say. But I do thinkthat it is a we're going to look
back at it as this kind ofmonumental time, kind of like you know,
akin to when Fox News first,you know, came aboard, or
it was first created, or youknow, when the Drudge Report was first

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created, and maybe even bigger thanthose, because it's a two way street.
You know, it's not just youknow, a show pumping out your
beliefs to you. It's actually bothyou. Two way. You can actually
go onto the platform and say things, and it's say things back to you.
I think that Elon getting Twitter andreally kind of having this free speech

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mantra is a good sign. Ifwe did not have Twitter, I don't
even know, like you know,it just it has provided a little bit
of an oasis U was not therebeforehand. I think that's a good sign.
Obviously, the Daily Wire getting involvedin entertainment Blaze has kind of suggested

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that they're going to do some ofthose things is another good sign. There's
even if you even go into thetraditional Hollywood world and you watch some of
these shows. I've been pleasantly surprisedsometimes with some of the anti woke content
that's been put out there at times, or at least you know, not

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completely averse to you know, traditionalAmerica. So I think that that is
kind of has shown some signs ofsilver of a silver lining. I mean,
there's like little things that you arestarting to see. I think that
even the signs of like you know, the bud light of people feeling enough
pressure to put their their the VPon leave of absence after she created a

(30:53):
campaign with Dylan mulvaney. The factthat that happened shows that there's some kind
of a narrative machine in it's startingto form to push back, and I
think that that's also another good sign. It's just it's going to take time,
and we're gonna need to everybody justto continue to create and build not

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complain so much. The point thatyou just made about all, you know,
when Michael Moore comes out with something, he can pretty much every single
left leaning media outlet, which isbasically all of the mainstream media, has
some kind of a cultural segment orcultural features and a promotional element. We
have so little of that. Yeah. I mean I could count on one

(31:34):
hand. We've been around and we'relike one of the only games in town
for doing what we do. Icount on one hand how many people have
covered our show, you being oneof them, and there's just a few
others. The conservative media has notcreated this infrastructure to promote very much.
Yeah. I think that's hopefully itchanges. It has to change, because

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if that doesn't change, then wedon't stand a chance, you know,
against this kind of cultural onslaught thatwe've been getting from Hollywood. One last
question, a lot of conservatives complainabout pop culture. You're doing something about
it. You've been doing something aboutit for a while now with Red Pilled
America. I do what I can. My skills are in writing, in
podcasting. I'm trying to spread theword that way. I don't go door

(32:19):
to door. I'm not a politician. My skill set it's very limited.
I do what I do. Butfor the average consumer who is frustrated,
who feels what you're what you're describingright now, what can they do?
Well, you know, they're notproducers, they don't have YouTube channels.
You know, they don't have ahuge Twitter following. They're just everyday,
people putting their kids to bed atnight, working a hard day, but

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they're sick of this. What doyou recommend from a pop culture point of
view that they can do the measuresthey can take to make a small but
powerful difference. I mean, Ithink they have to support everybody that's kind
of pushing the culture in this area. And you know, if you can't,
if you aren't a creator, ifyou're not a writer, if you're
not a you know, someone that'sgoing to go out and kind of create

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this cultural content, support those thatare doing it. I mean, that's
just the easiest way. And itsounds like a kind of a donation pitch
or some kind of a support pitch, but it's just the fact. It's
just a fact. I mean,you have to support the things that support
the people that are pushing your valuesand continue to create that ecosystem. It's

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I can't underscore how important that is, because you know, the second that
you start to create this ecosystem andallow people to be able to make money,
then what that does is it thepeople that are with our mindset that
are already within the establishment says Oh, okay, I can actually say what

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I think, write what I think, do stories that follow my values and
have a place to be able tomake money at, and I can leave
this establishment and I can speak mymind and I can write stories, you
know that that represent my values andthen uh and enter into and come over

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onto our side. And if there'sno infrastructure there, I can't tell you
how many people have reached out tous that have you know, worked in
Hollywood or are working in Hollywood.Big people that you know wanted to come
out at times and can't because there'sno infrastructure there for them to to make,
you know, ends meet. Butif if, if the general public

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supports it, And what I meanby that is is if you have a
Netflix account and a Disney Plus accountand an Hbo account, for every dollar
you're spending, you know, feedingtheir beast, spend fifty cents or a
dollar, you know, helping thesekind of people that are trying to develop
our own thing. And I thinkthat that's probably the best way for me

(34:49):
to to the best advice that wecan give to to the public that that
might not kind of find themselves aswanting to go out and create something.
Yeah, but supporting is the bigthing. One quick final note, I
remember it might have been the RichardJewel movie which came out a few years
ago from Clint Eastwood. It wasreally good. It spoke to a lot
of issues that were near and dearto heartlet America's soul. And I remember

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I would be on Twitter saying,you've got to go see this movie.
You've got to go support this movie. And the responses I often got where
I'm just gonna wait till it comeson home video, or I'm gonna do
this, or I'm gonna do that. I thought, No, No,
you may think that's okay, butthat doesn't send the right message. That
movie tanked at the box office,and obviously the people behind the scenes that
well, that kind of messaging doesn'twant to It doesn't want to be it
doesn't have an audience. You've gotto go out there. You've got to

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do something, even if it's justyou know, going to a crowdfunding campaign
throwing five dollars or less. Littlelittle steps, when produced in mass have
huge results. So I couldn't agreemore. Patrick, thank you for joining
the Hollywood and to a podcast.Of course, go subscribe if you're not
already subscribed right now to Red BuildAmerica. No other podcast like it.
Great production values, wonderful stories,leaves you with something to think about.

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It's engaging, it's smart, andI love the music that always accompanies every
episode. It's like it's like myone little treat for the show as well.
So Patrick, thank you so much. Keep fighting the good fight,
and eventually I think enough people whogot the message. Thanks Christian, I
really appreciate you having me on anall right time for your weekly tip.
Or maybe i'd call it a confession. It's a very unprofessional part of me.

(36:23):
Again, I'm a film critic whoroots for Sylvester Stallone with every new
project. I grew up in Rambo, Rocky, Cliffhanger, Copland, you
name it. It's hard watching yourcinematic heroes grow old. Harrison Ford is
eighty. You're gonna crack the whipagain as Indiana Jones this summer two,

(36:50):
I guess by comparison, slides ayoung seventy six, but he's still capable
of phoning in a performance now andthen. I just watched Guardians of the
Galaxy Volume three, and he's inthere barely. I'm just saying so.
When I caught up with Paramount Plusis Tulsa King. I feared sly might
just do the same thing again,folded in not even close. Yeah,

(37:12):
this is another Tailor Sheridan series.He's the guy behind Yellowstone and I guess
he gave up on sleeping because he'sso darned busy. He's made some other
shows recently, including eighteen eighty three, nineteen twenty three, Mayor of Kingstown,
and of course now Tulsa King.The show follows an aging gangster guess
who relocating to Oklahoma to pick upwhere he left off after prison. He's

(37:35):
too old to give up on themob life now, and he's pretty good
at it. I would guys attractionfor saying less, except, of course
he's a fish out of water.He's out of circulation for twenty five years
he was in jail, and ofcourse he's seventy something in a game for
young people. I guess what.It doesn't phaze him a bit. His
skills are on point. Stallone isgreat in the role. Not good.

(37:59):
He's great. He's tough what heneeds to be. You get that.
It's Stallone, but not in astereotypical way, not in that cobra esque
way, which is wonderful. He'salso a broken soul. He's trying to
reconnect with his daughter, hasn't spokento her in decades. He's got a
lot of other family ties he's missing. He's really wondering was this the right
choice to go down this path?It's too late, but what can he

(38:22):
do about it? Long story short, stallone has still got it. I
guess you never count Rocky Balboa outbefore you click away. I would love
it if you gave the Hollywood Totalpodcast a positive, shining five star review
over at iTunes. It makes thosealgorithms pop and probably makes my mom smile.

(38:42):
I love making my mom smile.See you next time.