#11 - COVID Horror Picture Show w/Margo Quinn

Actress Margo Quinn joins the pod to talk about filmmaking during the pandemic. She shares dark stories about shady auditions, and the importance of having a buddy system when visiting studio lots. We talk about acting roles, and Josh thinks he has the perfect biopic casting to put Margo over the top.

Episode Transcript

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Hey guys, it's Josh. Itis third Nope Friday. That's when you'll
be getting this episode Friday, theninth of October. This episode is from
earlier in this week. It's anepisode with actress Margot Quinn. You've seen
Margo on a bunch of different movieproblem, maybe not, Maybe you ain't

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seen shit. I don't know.You've seen Margot Quinn on a couple of
movies, and you're about to seeher on a lot more. I don't
know. I'll tell you one moviethat I think you'll see her on and
we talk about it in this episode. It has to do with a little
bit of a famous fighter who Ithink should be very good to play,

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and we talk about that in theepisode. We talk about a couple of
other things. Here we go,Marco, I can't believe I didn't have
these answers. You know. Theproblem with like independent films is that there
are so many of Attack of theUnknown was the thing I was trying to
think. I was thinking Attacked theBlock, and I'm like, no,
that's the English movie from years ago. There are so many of these like
independent films that have like similar orclose names, and I always get them

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mixed up, but I didn't wantto do that, so Attack of the
Unknown. You've also seen her inArt of the Dead, Turnover Him on
Rye the Sand Dune. She's inan upcoming series called The Oath. She's
got another movie coming out soon calledAngel of Death. So a lot of
a lot of cool stuff coming upfrom Margot Quinn. One of them is

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not this podcast. This podcast isnot cool, but it's very cool when
cool people decide to come beyond it. And we had a good time.
We talked about auditioning and what it'sbeen like to be an actor during COVID
nineteen, during the pandemic. Wetalk about some kind of dark stories about
auditioning for movies that may or maynot be real. And this is something

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that happens a lot. I havea lot of friends who are in the
business, and I shouldn't say ithappens a lot. Happens to women a
lot where you know they'll be like, there are so many these castings that
I see on like actors access orbackstage where it's like, come to this
audition. It's in an alley inVan Eyes. You know, just text
this number when you get here andwe'll tell you where to go. It's

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like, that's a rape. Don'tgo to that if you're going to the
like. So I think some womenmoved to LA and they go like,
no, this is what it is. These are the breaks and this you
gotta be willing to go place asother people. No, stop it,
you're gonna get weinsteined. Just stopit. Okay. If it looks like
a fucking shitty, crazy place,don't go, or maybe go because it

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might be an audition for A ThousandWays to Die, which I tell a
story about a horrible audition experience Ihad for that old piece of shit on
Spike TV. So, and ifyou're listening to this and you worked on
that show, you know it wasa piece of shit, And don't be
offended. You're glad you don't workon it anymore. Hopefully you found something
better. You're probably working on thenew hit series Mass Singer, which I

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think we can all agree is thepinnacle of what Hollywood was always meant to
be. And the thing that's greatabout that concept is that it's built around
has beens, and we're never goingto run out of those. So I
hope you guys enjoy it. Thisepisode, by the way, brought to
you by the Mass Singer, theonly place where you can hate the Jews
and still host the TV show.Hello Darkness, smile friend, I've come

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to talk with you again because avision softly creeping left it sees while I
was sleeping, and the vision thatwas planted in mad rain. Still there's

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two ways to see things like inthe world. One is to try to
find a way to laugh at it, and the other is to just live
a miserable existence where you're unhappy abouteverything. What the fuck is that humili
adopted the duck? I was wantingit. That seems really dark. Now,
that was not dark? You misunderstandingme? Bro, this is gonna

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get dark for people. No,God, please, no. Do you
think that anybody that does enjoy darkcomedy that it's indicative of a deeper evil?
I'm in nak. Can't do youunderstand? I'm in nadak me there

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we go. Yeah, that's Ithink you're you started to say we were
talking about college campuses, and Iwas saying that, like UCLA's very international
sc is sort of like very uhkind of like I would say, upper
upper class, you know America,I mean rich parents. Yeah exactly.

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I mean if the as if thecollege admission scandal Laurie Laughlin thing didn't sort
of tip everyone off to that.But I was saying, LMU is sort
of like the last um or oneof the few kind of college experiences in
LA that is like the rest ofAmerica. And you would know that because
you're also from the Midwest, right, Yeah, I'm from South Dakota,

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so being out, I went toLA yesterday. I'm right now, I'm
in San Clementy living. So Iwent to LA yesterday and get my haircut,
and which is something we haven't reallybeen able to do. Yeah,
I have like some underground uh ladythat like doesn't believe in wearing masks either.
So I'm like I walk in andI'm like ripping the mask off,

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Isn't that? Isn't that weird?How? You know, like the all
of the sort of regulatory stuff andshutdowns have us have us do like normal
business on a black market level.You know, like if you're trying to
get a haircut, You're like,you got to talk to your friends and
you gotta find somebody who's like Igot a guy, I got a guy.
My X reach he was like,I see you're getting your hair cut

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where, and I'm like, somelady in LA, don't worry about it.
Yeah, yeah, because well youalso don't want to like blow these
people's spot up either. You don'twant to get anybody really, but it
is funny, Like it is funny. I usually drive. When I first
moved to LA, I lived inLong Beach and I would get my hair
cut at this place, this reallycool old school barber shop called Razorbacks,

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which is on Fourth and Long Beach, and it's you know, it's like,
you know a lot of dudes withlike curly mustaches and stuff cutting your
hair. And you know, Ihaven't gone back because they've been closed.
And you know, like my guy, you know he lives I think he
lives even further south from the shopthan Long Beach, so to go to

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him would be like like a twohour drive. So I've just been like
buzzing my head, you know,through all of COVID because I'm just like,
you know, I can't. Itgets annoying after a while. But
it's also like I'm not gonna gopay somebody, you know two hundred here?
Have you really? Yeah? Ifound out like I can cut my
dad's hair yea, and undercover,well my dad has my dad is balding,

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So it's not like it's very it'sall one leg. Yeah, there's
not. There's not a lot ofskin in the game for that one.
Now I can put on my resume. I can cut like a very specific
group of people's hair, people whosehair left them long ago. Yeah,
you're like, I can trim thosewho are almost out of their game.

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Exactly, I can trim. Butthat's about it. Yeah. But anyways,
what were we saying. You weretalking about being from the Midwest.
Well, yeah, so I wentup to get my hair cut, and
just five minutes of being in toLuca Lake, I was like, oh
my gosh, these people are notas friendly. No, definitely not whoa.

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It's like I was just reminded.And I literally hadn't been anywhere yet.
I had only been to my house. And then I was driving,
which my hair Salona is right downthe street from my house. I was
still in my neighborhood and people arelike so like, I smile at him
in the car and they're looking atme like I just did something or want

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something from them. I'm like,I'm just waving I'm sorry, like my
bad. Do you feel like COVIDhas made that worse in LA that people
are even more sort of like distantand stand off. Oh yeah, oh
yeah, yeah. I go anywhereand I if I cough, I'm I'm
my own. No, that's whatdid I do? That's funny. Yes,

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it's terrifying anywhere. Yes, it'slike it's worse than like farting.
I mean, I definitely definitely forgirls. I'm sure that for guys who
were like part of every cut abig one in like public. That's pretty

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bad for anyone unless you're good atI feel like I feel like when if
I do it, people expect itfrom me. They just look at me
and they go, yeah, thatsounds about right. That's what I think.
That's what I think that guy woulddo. Yeah for you. On
the other hand, though, Ithink people would be like, what the
fuck is It's okay exactly. I'dhave to turn around too. Yeah,

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somebody somebody from over there did that. Yeah, No, not me.
But I was walking into Starbucks andI like, I was like, oh
no, I can't open the door. I'm about to sneeze, And I
sneezed with my mask on and theguy don't feel paranoid, bless you,
And I was like, I feellike I just wet my pants. What

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was I supposed to do? Yeah? Yeah, it is a it is
a weird feeling. It's so weird. I it's all the time, like
if I'm in a grocery store,and it's kind of strange because I feel
like it only happens when I'm inthe grocery store, but like I'll get
if I get like heartburn or somethingthat makes me cough, I'm panicking because
like even like coughing or clearing orcoughing to clear your throat in public,

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now, like you'll get everyone inthe sections looking at you like exactly like
are you the one? Yeah?Well and the and the other thing too,
is like if I'm around people thatare like do we have to do
masks? And then I'll be likeno, no, it's fine, Like
I'm pretty sure I already had it, And then people will like panick.
They're like when, like when,and it's like probably eight months ago.

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Man. Yeah, It's like I'mpretty sure most of us have either I
honestly feel like to have not hadit at all at this point is very
unlikely for most people. Are yousaying like, I'm a superhero if I
haven't had it, If you haven'thad it, in these annointed I want

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to be put in a town hall. You might want to be careful with
how much recognition you get for nothaving it, because there are some people
who might be like, we needher blood, she has the antidote.
No, I'm sure I had itbecause I've been flying around so much still,
Like I go back to Midwest forthe summer and then I come back.

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So I've been trying to be safebecause I mean, I am going
to see family and I'm not goingto quarantine for like two weeks because I
don't have the quarantine and then seethem, right because that's over my trip.
Yeah, I mean it's it's kindof funny because you leave these people
like I'm quarantining for two weeks aftermy vacasually, how do you have the

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time to do that? Yeah,I'd love to, sure, Yeah,
I just can't do that. Ialmost feel like quarantining was invented by people
who wanted more vacation days, andthey're like, I think I was around
somebody who has it. I guessI'm gonna need another two weeks off from
home. I was watching some comedianand he was saying, like when they

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were all figuring out all the COVIDstuff, they were like, how many
six feet? We should be sixfeet apart? And some guys like why
six feet? He's like, becausewe're not on the metric system. I
don't know. And another guy islike, we all need to quarantine,
Like we need to quarantine. Everybodyneeds to quarantine. They're like, okay,

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but we've heard that if you likego outside in the sun, like
in hot weather, like that cankill the virus. Like it's fine,
and he's like, yeah, everyoneis on lockdown orders. They need to
be inside. Like what what isthis weird? How everybody sort of has
like different paranoias around it or whatever. One of the things that I thought

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was funny is there's a movie calledfive Feet Apart, which Haley lou Richardson
is in, and it's about cysticfibrosis. And I was like, wait
a minute, So cystic fibrosis,which I think we can all agree,
is way more deadly and and thosefolks are way more fragile than people with
COVID, And we're like that's onlyfive feet, but COVID six. You

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got an extra foot in there,six feet for COVID. Yeah, I
mean it I feel like we're justnot being told all the right information.
Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty crazy. I wanted to ask you though.
I wanted Yeah, well, andI think, you know, I think
at the end of the day,you just kind of as a person,

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you just have to make a choice, like are you going to go about
living your life or are you goingto sort of live in fear. It
was kind of like this after Imean, I don't know if you were
probably way too young to remember,but it was kind of like this after
nine to eleven. There were somepeople after nine to eleven who were like,
you know, I don't want togo outside. I don't want to
go to big events. I don'twant to go in big groups. I
lived in Minnesota when nine to elevenhappened, and I remember people being like,

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I don't want to go to theMall of America because that all that
amount of that amount of people couldbe a target. And I was like,
I'm pretty sure on the list ofterrorists, you know, targets,
Mall of America's probably Yeah, likelet's get it. Let's get them.
There are fifteen lids in that mall. We can kill everybody, Like,

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I don't think that's I don't thinkMall of America was ever on al Qaeda's
hit list either, like you know, Twin Towers, Pentagon and then probably
Mall of America would be. Butthere were literally people that felt that way.
There's like, you know, Mallof America, that's a you know,
it's a pretty big deal. Imean, I can only imagine how

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scary that is. But I meaneventually, like has to go back to
normal, yeah, or somewhat normal. I mean things change from that,
Our normal got different. Yeah,how is it really? I Mean,
one of the things that I thinkis interesting to talk to you about is
how have you felt it affect theprocess of filmmaking, because obviously, as

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you know, an actress who doesa lot of sort of indie stuff,
how has that sort of change?I'm sure there are so many scripts and
stuff come across your desk about likeCOVID centric horror movies and sci fi movies
and stuff. Gosh, it's like, dude, I'm I'm I can walk
outside. I don't need to gowatch a movie about it. Yeah,

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but there's been a crazy amount ofoptitions lately. I mean, as an
actor and someone in the industry,you know that it comes in waves.
But um, yeah, people arejust writing away right now. They are
writing away and they are films.I have filmed one movie during COVID,

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and I'd say that people were allwearing masks. I I don't think it
was. It wasn't a Hollywood likea big, big budget film, so
they couldn't really sanitize the way you'dthink they were going to. But I

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mean everyone was wearing masks until youwere talking. It's different because then you
get with people on set that arevery like COVID strong, like you can't
wear your mask, like you needto be wearing your mask at all times.
And then there's people that don't reallycare. So it kind of it's

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like it's like everywhere else is whatyou're saying, like, you know,
yeah, it's it's weird. Yeah, some people are. Some people are
pretty whatever about it. Other peopleare like very very paranol. We're on
the side of the road to tellyou to put your mask on, right.
Yeah, So these are the peoplethat are wearing like ventilators in their

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car while they're by themselves, whenthey're driving home from work. Yeah,
it's it's interesting. But as Iwas talking though one of my friends at
a Universal and he was saying thatthey it's going to cost another seventy thousand

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dollars per movie to do the sanitationprocess. Just that, just the sanitation
process. That's pretty significant. Andpeople think like, well, that's you
know, if a budget for amovie is like, you know, sixty
million, seventy million or something likethat, that's not a lot. But
it's like, yeah, but yougot to realize that number one, that's
maybe the budget for five percent ofmovies or less. Most movies are made

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for under five million bucks. Andso when you add that seventy thousand dollars
expense, that's a lot a hundredmovies in the production slate at the end
of the year. It's pretty significant. It's crazy. So it's like a
sticker shop to even these big corporationsthat are like Warner Brothers Universal, they're

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like, oh my gosh, likeyeah, and they have to go through
a lot more protection. I mean, think of just in regular TV shows,
how many extras there are, likeGrey's Anatomy, how many doctors and
patients are in the background. Likewow, yeah there was. There was.
Like there's an interesting part about ittoo, because you when you get

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like when you get casting notifications orif you get like any background things or
anything like that, you'll look andyou'll see, Like one of the things
I saw recently was that game showor not game shows, but like hosted
reality. So I think it wasI think it was Chrissy Teagan's, um,
what's the quibbi is that? What? Yeah? I think it was
her Quibby Court show, And theywere doing like audience for that, and

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the audience basically had to be likeput in a hotel and sequestered for X
number of days. I mean theybasically had to give up like a week
of their life just to be likebackground paid audience on a quibbie show.
And I was just like, whereare these people getting the budgets to do
this stuff for these shows that areso tiny? You know, first of

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all, would you get paid onehundred bucks to be an extra? I
know, maybe like maybe one hundreda day? Yeah, yeah, So
it's kind of like I was like, I just look at that stuff and
I go like, man, Ican't I know that's how a lot of
people kind of break into the business. But I was like, I can't
imagine doing that of like, youknow, giving up essentially like ten days

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of your time for three shoot days, you're making like three hundred bucks.
And and by the way, thesepeople had to be tested in and out
every day, And if you've hada COVID test, you're just like some
of them are okay, some ofthem are very unpleasant. It kind of
depends on what doctors you get.Yeah. Yeah, no, fact,

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I saw one COVID test where theguy it was on Facebook obviously, so
the COVID tests like went up.He sucked in the thing, the testy
thingy. Yes, oh no.He looked at the lady and the lady

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was like, you just like suckedin my swab like blow it out and
what what what is we need tolike clog his other nostril and like blow
it out? He was He's like, okay, like this has never happened
before. Yeah, yeah, there'sall kinds of like I don't know,

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man, that the I'm very weirdabout. I don't know how you are
about like medical stuff, but I'mvery weird about certain things, like I
for me to give blood, ithas to be like a serious life or
death situation. Like that's how muchI hate giving blood. Like I thought
I had a heart attack one time. I went into the hospital and they

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hooked up the EKG and they're like, well, we can rule out a
heart attack, but we want totake blood. And I was like,
listen, if it wasn't a heartattack, I'm out. Unhooked me and
I'm going home, like I'm notstaying here to run labs or whatever,
like it was either a heart attackor it wasn't. And they're like,
well, we have to figure outwhat it was. And I go,
well, we know it wasn't aheart attack, so unhooked me and of

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course like yeah, no, Ihave no problem, Like no problem at
all. I had an ankle surgerywhen I was a freshman in high school
and he ruined my ankle. Ohno, I had to go and do
a lot of different hulks and pricksand final injections and steroids and surgery.

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So that is nothing to me.Did you get your did you get your
full range of motion back? Ordo you own that doctor's practice? Now,
I think it's very hard to suea doctor, just because when you're
not suing a doctor, you're suingan entire hospital. Oh right, yeah,
yeah, I imagine for surgery.Yeah, you're looking at an elevator.

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Later that time, I had togo and try and find someone to
fix it, so no, Ido have my range of motion back.
I found a doctor that was aspecialty doctor three years later and he I
ended up renting my house to him. It was really weird. That's strange.
That's a strange way to meet,you know, the guy who fixes

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your ankle. But that's how youknow everything happens for a reason. Well,
that's a good mentality to happen.I try to. I try to
have that mentality as much as possible, But there are a lot of moments
throughout life, the longer it goes, where you're like, I really hope
these things are all happening for agood reason, because starting to feel like
a lot of it is not.It's sometimes it's tough to That's one thing

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I think is kind of funny aboutHollywood, and I tell people all the
time, it's like, I feellike people are very good at having that
mentality when things are going well,you know, so like a lot of
times, and I've always said thisis one of the things that I think
holds me back in my career isthat you'll see, like you'll have friends
that are other actors or performers orwhatever, and they'll get something and they're
like, Margo, this is justa universe laying my future out in front

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of me the way it was intended, Like this is what I'm destined to
do. I am the chosen one, and this is how everything is supposed
to go. And I just havenever had that kind of perspective, like
that mentality of like, yeah,I'm destined to do these things. I
feel like like when you get thosethings, you should be very you should
feel very fortunate that you have anopportunity to do that. And it's like,

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you know, I feel like somuch more of it is like luck
or circle stances than fate, youknow, And it's it's hard for me,
like I don't have sort of thisunwavering belief that I'm everything that's happened
to me is because I'm destined forsome kind of greatness. I think I
think you kind of got to bea little sick to think of it to
that level. Yeah, because inthe film industry, everything can be taken

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away from you so quickly. Yeah, and so it's like you can't.
I mean, you can get mixedup with the wrong people and just completely
ruin your career. Yeah, Imy first You wanted me to think of
something dark to talk about. I'vealways I thought about what my first real

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like experience in the movie industry.So I was being called to be interviewed
for this or I was having thisaudition at for this horror film, and
I was like, this is prettycool. I've only lived in or in
California six months or like four months, Like, this is pretty coolful like

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happening. It's happening, and mydad's looking into it. The guy's having
us come to Culver Studios like todo the audition, like this is the
real thing. I'm there for fourhours. He's talking to me like this
is unheard of in auditions. Auditionsare in and out like five minutes or

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less. If you're lucky you getfive minutes. Yeah, because that means
they that you set a joke thatprobably made them laugh and they said something
else like you know, it's veryto the point onto the next and I'm
there for four hours. This guydidn't make me really audition. He was
just like kind of feeling me out, like just kind of I had my

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manager there with me, so itwasn't I wasn't uncomfortable. Yeah, it
wasn't like it wasn't like you werebeing sort of fed to the sharks exactly.
No. And I was like thisis awesome, you know, like
this is gonna happen. We're herefor four hours. So I went home
and then he was like, yeah, I have another film that I want

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you to be on and come backlike next week. So I got out
of school early. I went tothis meeting this guy. It was all
a home this guy the whole thing. I'm so another movie. The other
movie was real. And the guywas like, uh, talking to my

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manager saying like, you shouldn't haveMargot signed these contracts yet. We are
aren't sure what the whole thing is. We're having lawyers look into the contracts
more. My manager was like,Okay, Margot, you're not going to
sign contracts today, and I waslike okay, cool whatever, or like
I'll go walk around like the othersets and stuff and explore and get lunch
and everything. So I'm walking aroundlike I I'm looking, I run into

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celebrities like I'm I see when yousay your Culver City, were you at
Sony or or what it called?Like, what lot were you on in
Culver I it was where they wereshooting some Eric Danes film. I don't
know what lot it was. Itmight have been the Sony law it was

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huge, Yeah, it was probablyif it was in Culver City, it's
probably Sony. Yeah, or Sony. And then it used to be Columbia
try Star was there too, andthen now it's all under the Sony umbrella.
But that that I was gonna saythat that cafeteria area is very cool
because it's still very like nineteen fiftiesvibe on the Columbia try Star side.
So when you're walking around there,you recognize those builds. They still use

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those buildings in a ton of setslike that show. Whilst the Ryan Murphy
Show they just had with where itwas in the reimagining of the fifties Hollywood
time it was on Netflix. I'mtrying to think, um maud Apataw was
in it. It was like,but anyway, a lot of it was
shot let me find it right thatyeah, and a lot of it was

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shot in that the one with likethe yeah it was hold on, let
me find this. Um oh,Hollywood was just called Hollywood. That's how
stupid I am. But yeah,a lot of it was shot on that
old Columbia TriStar side of Sony,which is right where the cafeteria is,
and I went there for a meetingone time, and it is, like

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you said, like people don't realizeSeth Rogan's company offices out of that lot.
Brian Cranston his production company offices there. So like when you go and
have lunch at that cafeteria, it'slike you're literally sitting down and like Adam
Sandler and his team are having lunchover to your right, and then it's
like the point gray guys are overhere. It's one of those crap I

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made it. Well. It's alsoweird night too, because it's like a
high school cafeteria vibe, and thenyou're seeing like all these famous people around,
so here's like this is strange.It's so weird. So I'm walking
around and I Eric Dane and thesepeople depending on who you run into,
obviously, but you're inside the lot, so you're like almost like like brought

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into this special group where they're okaywith like talking to you, you know,
not some crazy person. Yeah,it's not like running into them on
the street exactly. So this guylike pulls over and is talking to me,
and I was like, in mycostar I thought I was with and
I was like, holy crap,that was Eric Dane. You just pulled
over and talk to us. Andhe was one of the doctors on Gray's

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Anatomy. He was in so manyfilms anyway, He's a very handsome dude.
He is so yummy. Yeah,and he's called mcste me for a
reason. Yeah. So I waslike, oh my gosh, this is
amazing. Little did I know thatmy managers inside realizing this is like a

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load of shit. Well, theother thing I was going to mention about
that when we were saying, likeyou go on those studio lots and you're
like, oh my god, there'sthis person and this person this person.
But the other thing you don't realizeis that like anybody who wants to pay
to rent an office there that's aproduction company can like they're not sort of
like closed leasing, So there canbe like completely fraudulent production companies or producers

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that just happened to rent an officeon the Sony lot and commit a shit
ton of fraud with people because there'slike this built in trust because they're on
the Sony lot exactly in what wasit exactly that this guy rented the office
space. Yeah, so he's justpaying a least, he's just leasing space.

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He's not really endorsed by Sony oranyone else at the video. We
we didn't find that out right away. We're like doing research on this guy,
but we're like, you know,we're gonna go with a different director.
He ends up bringing me on anotherfilm, and I was like,
I don't know this guy enough yetto like really say no, you know,

(31:23):
I don't have any proof and thesecontracts aren't buying where I am going
to be in trouble in some way, you know, or can't do other
work or anything exactly. So Iwas like, I'll go on this other
set, and I do it.And I get on set and this guy
is having me talk about him anddo a video on how amazing set was

(31:45):
and how amazing it was to workwith him and everybody on the cast.
Before I've even filmed one second ofthis film. Wow, And I ended
up I'm like pulling the out ofmy ass, like I'm just saying like,
yeah, this is really great,like it's like a family. I'm
like, this guy's making me saythis, like I'm not this isn't me,

(32:10):
Like I don't know this yet,like I don't know if it'll be
true. He ended up like scammingthem. Like if I were to even
tell you his name and you lookhim up, you wouldn't find him because
he's changed his name already to doit again. Like that's how ridiculous it
is. You can't call this guyup. He was fake. He was
a fake dude. Yeah, Imean there's so many those are horrible,

(32:32):
I mean terrifying stories you hear aboutand then particularly for young actresses and particularly
for young actresses versus actors. Butyou know, it's kind of funny,
like I've I've found myself in similarsituations as a dude when I first moved
LA and I wasn't that I wasn'tthat old when I first moved here,
I was twenty six, but Iremember going into like so many situations where

(32:55):
and the scary thing is is thatthe super legit ones aren't necessarily that much
more cleaned up from the super shady, shitty ones like exactly. You know,
when you go into like a shitty, scary, like low budget audition
with a bunch of people where you'relike is this a company or is this
affront for something? And then yougo into the offices for CBS to do

(33:17):
an audition for them, You're like, there's not a lot of difference.
It's not like the CBS thing islike a bunch of people in suits sitting
around a table. It's just aslike casual and laid back, and the
office is just as messy, andthere's graphic t of their favorite like Disney
Pixar, like yeah, are notwhat you think you know, and they're

(33:39):
don go to a coffee shop andbe like or like even like um a
subway and say, oh, yeah, that guy's working for the Big Leaves.
Yeah. And that's the thing that'sscary about is like I remember I
did um, I did an auditionfor a Spike show. So when I
first moved to LA, I signwith like this very small boutique agency out

(34:05):
of Long Beach that my buddy hadsigned with, and it was with a
woman named Judy belsh Turnblom. Idon't know if you know Judy, but
she's like been a long time castingperson and then like started her own you
know, management or agency or whatever. I think she was a management company.
And she was like she met meand was like looked at my comedy

(34:30):
stuff and was like, I likeyou, I think you're good. I
want to send you on stuff,like I want to sign you. And
it was similar to your story.Like I had moved to town. I
had been in town for like amonth, and I was like already signing
with this boutique agency and I waslike that's cool. And she started sending
me out on tons of stuff,but it was all like very sort of
like low budget cable stuff. Andthe biggest audition she sent me on was

(34:54):
for a show called Spike t.Spike TV had a show that was like
a thousandweight or tw one thousand Waysto Die or something like that, and
it was like a clip show ofall of these like very morbid, um
dumb ways to die. Yeah,dumb ways that people actually died. And
I was a thousand ways to die, a thousand ways to die and um,

(35:15):
so I had to go in anaudition and this thing was like a
middle school in the valley and Iwalk in and I was like, this
can't be legit, Like man,it was funny because I was dating a
girl at the time who still livedin Minnesota. She had come to visit
me, and uh so I'm like, yeah, I got this like this

(35:36):
audition that we're like this serious audition. And she drives with me and we're
driving through like you know, afucking middle school and van eyes or something.
She's like, is this this iswhere your audition is? And I
was like, yeah, I guessso, and like yeah, it's like
so we walk in. I walkinto it and it's literally like there's it's
like four metal like high school chairswhere people are sitting with like clipboards and

(36:01):
releases on them and then like sidesfor the part you're reading for. And
it was literally just like a dudewho looked like an old woodworker, like
like a sixty five year old guywith like a long white beard, and
he's like, okay for your scenethat you're auditioning for. Your guy who's

(36:22):
beard gets caught in machinery and thenhe dies acted out and I was just
like, oh, like this isso weird, Like what a weird and
there's no dialogue, there's no lines, so you just literally have to It's
like walk into this middle school andpretend to die. That was the audition,
and I remember walking yeah, andI was just like yeah, that

(36:44):
was mine, and I was justlike okay, so I you know,
you do it. And I walkedout and I was like, I feel
like I would have more dignity ifI just left a porno like that felt
more, It felt more degrading andmore like gross then if I just walked
out of getting sucked by ten guys, Like that's hysterical, because that was

(37:07):
like an actual big show. Yeah, and that was unspikingly in the wall,
like creepy, like on at midnightshow Like this was a show that
I vividly remember watching and thinking itwas like jaw dropping, like people die
in the weirdest ways. So Ican only imagine their improv auditions. Oh

(37:30):
it was so And it wasn't evenlike come in and do ten of these
things. It was like they hadme in for one and one only.
And I guess it was because Ihad like enough beard where they were like,
well, we could put the prostheticon him, like beard extensions to
play this part, and that's whyI got called in for it. The
other thing I got called in forand this is like, this is kind

(37:52):
of funny. I would have bookedthis if I didn't have a conflict.
But do you remember boost Mobile?Yes, So she was casting a boost
Mobile commercial and the concept was likein opportune moments. So the boost Mobile,
if you remember back in the day, was like a walkie talkie phone
and you could just like chirp somebodyand start talking and if they were around

(38:15):
someone else, they would hear yourconversation. There was no way for you
to filter that conversation out. Andso the concept of the commercial that me
and this other guy read for andbooked but I had a conflict was his
friend chirps him and says the girlhe went home with last night was disgusting,

(38:37):
and he's in bed with me anddoesn't realize that I'm not, like,
didn't know that I was not awoman. And so and so I
was like, listen, everybody's gonnaplay this super like super gay. I
go, we should play it aslike two guys who don't even see that
there's a problem with what we justdid. Like I go, everyone's gonna

(38:59):
put like every person that plays mypart is going to play it super femie,
like they're pretending to be a woman. And I go, I think
it's funny if we just lay intothe fact that we're both dudes and we
both like we're both trying to forgetwhat happened kind of the thing. Yes,
we made and we committed, likewe were like damn near making out
in the audition, like we fuckingwent for it, and the guys were

(39:22):
like, we practically booked it inthe room. Like I walked out and
Judy was like, I think youguys booked that, and they're like you're
I think you're done. And itwas like, you know, would have
paid like two It was like atwo thousand dollar gig, you know,
with like one time deal. Therewas no um residuals or anything for it.
It was like a two thousand dollarbuy out. It was super little,

(39:45):
and I and they they wanted toshoot it when I had this huge
work meeting for my day job inDenver and I was like, well,
I can't miss that week of meetingsto do like a two thousand dollar gig,
Like you know, it's it's likeour year end meeting and I just
ended up not being able to doit. You'd be fired, Yeah,
I would have lost my job,you know for the rest of the year

(40:07):
to do like a two day likeone month's runs in La Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it was exactly a monthof my rent at the time.
I had like a little bachelor padhouse in Long Beach, and that was
exactly what it costs every month.So it was like, you know,
it's it's sort of like you wantto do those things and they're cool and
they're fun, but you know,sometimes like those those low budget things are

(40:28):
just so tiny that you really gotto like weigh is it worth it or
whatever. And then the crazy thingis is, while I was represented by
her Meg Simon, who at thetime was like the head of CBS,
just randomly like randomly found me onYouTube. She was looking for like chubby

(40:50):
comedians and she's like, I havethis new show that I want you to
come in and read for the leadon. And this show ended up being
Mike and Molly and so like,so my first response to like to doing
that audition. I went in andthere's like a ton of other people,
like other really famous people in theroom, reading for this part, and
I went in and read, andI also brought like my own version of

(41:12):
the script, basically like what myimprovisations would be, so like changing the
dialogue and kind of tweaking it tofit the way that I would do the
character. Because my thought was like, well, if I can't get this
part, I might be able toget a job writing on the show,
or might be able to get myname in as a writer. And so
I went in and like I waslike, I've got three different ways to
do it, and did it,and who knows if that was the right

(41:34):
choice or if that was kind oflike I do remember the main got what
the fuck is his name? Whodid Mike and Molly? And he also
did god, I'm drawing a blankon his name. He also did Big
Bang Theory. What's the guy's name? I'm Chuck, Chuck Laurie. Yeah,

(41:55):
Chuck Laurie. I remember Chuck Lauriebeing like, you did rewrites on
the sides and I was like,Cain, he goes, that's pretty fucking
ballsy, and I was like,yeah, I'm I go. I wasn't
trying to offend anybody. I justyou know, I'm a comedian. I'm
not an actor. I don't thinkI'm gonna wow you with my performance.
If I have any chance of wowingyou, it's gonna be with my words
and you know, my dialogue choicesor whatever. He's like, okay,

(42:15):
fair enough. But but then Iremember, yeah, and then I remember,
and then I remember leaving there andcalling my my manager at the time,
and be like, uh, yeah, So I just finished this audition
with CBS for a lead in theirnew show, and she was like,
how did you get that? AndI go, the woman who's the head

(42:36):
of CBS just emailed me and askedme to go in for it, and
and I was like, Judy,how come you're not sending me out on
stuff like this? And she's like, She's like, you're not ready for
it, and I go, obviouslythat doesn't matter. They just sent me
in and that show ended up beingmassive, exactly, And so you know,
I share that story to be likelike, nobody really knows what the

(42:59):
fuck doing in this bit. It'sall just like taking shots, trying your
best and hoping that the right thingsland that give you really cool opportunities.
And it's who you know it is, yeah, or who you don't know,
because I didn't know anybody for thataudition and like that that was like
completely like completely out of the blue, and I ended up like I end

(43:21):
up running into another comedian I knewfrom Chicago there and we both read for
it, and I was like,all right, well, neither of us
are going to get this gig,so what Like it's kind of weird to
be in the room with like twoother unknown comedians and then like five A
list actors that are also reading forthose parts, and so you just walk
I mean, I don't know ifyou've been in that situation auditioning, but

(43:44):
you kind of walk out. You'relike, there's no fucking way I'm getting
this if the other five guys arereading for that part, I don't know.
I still I don't walk out likethat. I when I leave an
audition room, I leave the auditionthere like I like, you get one
hundred knows before you get one yes. So it's like true that you get

(44:06):
that are so slim. Anyways,I mean that was huge that you got
past like the first five rounds.Yeah, with these A listers. I
mean, you know, you wentyou passed a lot of rounds before you
got to the end. Well,yeah, you didn't make it to the
very end, but I mean therewere a lot of rounds after you too,

(44:29):
for sure. Yeah, I mean, and I'm pretty sure I made
it into the first round. Butit is kind of cool, you know.
Like what I tell people is like, you know, yes, it's
a little bit of who you know, but don't be afraid to take chances
either, because that, to me, that was proof that, like even
on the biggest shows or even onthe biggest movies, sometimes these people are

(44:49):
completely open to having their idea ofthe character changed. Like are they're willing
to see people that they've never heardof, that they don't know, that
they've never seen, and that couldcompletely change their vision for the project.
So you have to kind of havea little bit of faith in your abilities
to where when that opportunity comes up, you don't like scoff at it,
you actually go like, oh wow, this could this actually could be something,

(45:14):
and you have to kind of takeit seriously and do your best.
But yes, the chance, likethe reality is, your chances of getting
that are not really any less thanyour chances of getting anything, you know,
so you kind of got to playthem the same way, like you
got to commit. I have oneof those experiences where it was kind of
like they don't necessarily know what theywant all the time, right, Yeah,

(45:35):
you know, like they don't knowwhat they want till they see it
and then they know what they don'twant, you know. Yes, but
I was on I was doing someaudition that it was for a Dorito's commercial
for the Super Bowl, and itwas that okay, very well, yeah,
the very beginning of my career,like one of those things where you're

(45:58):
like, why am I auditioning forthis? Like they're like, yeah,
yeah, it was back when zombieswere really in like six years ago,
and uh, it was like itended up not even airing. It wasn't
even one of the commercials, butthey didn't choose me because they went with

(46:22):
a girl that was blonde to offsetthe brunette boy. It's like it was
one of those things that I justgot to the end. I'd ended up
just not being the right hair color. Yeah, And that's like that's the
thing that people don't realize either,is that sometimes it can come down to
something as simple as that of like, well, we already have somebody that
looks like this or fits this profileor whatever, and we're trying to already

(46:44):
how the boy cast it. Yeah, so they're like, we want it's
like, it's not that you're notgood, it's literally that we just think
the blonde girl's gonna compliment the brunettebetter than brunette. Yeah, you know,
okay by well and they're yeah,I mean there's things and there's things
like that that like there's nothing youcan do about that, Like there's just

(47:06):
you know, you can't not beyourself, Like you can't just become something
you're not. And that's one ofthe things that like I think a lot
of people are sort of pushing backin the business. Like my last episode,
we had a producer on and talkingabout, like the one thing that
sucks about putting hard numbers to quotasand things like that around who you hire

(47:27):
is that like the best people don'tcontrol what they are. And so like
you know, if you have likefive really good candidates for a job and
you have you're like, well,this, we have to have X number
of people that are either female,people of color, transgendered, or whatever.
Then those people are gonna get elevatedto the rankings and the person who

(47:49):
is like only black and not blackand gay. Now has that strike against
them because they're like, well,we have to fill these numbers, and
so it just sort of sucks tobe in that position. I imagine where
it's like, if you want tobe hired on your work, you want
to be and I imagine it's likethis for you as an actress, Like
you want to be picked because younailed the part, you nailed the character,

(48:13):
and what you're doing and what you'rebringing to it is the vision that
they want for the project. Um, you would never want it to be
like, well, on the flipside, if they were like, well,
the guy's blonde, so we haveto go with Margo even though we
think she's terrible, Like we're gonnago with her. Yeah, No,
I don't want that. And I'msure they didn't tell the blonde girl.
Hey, just so you know,you're only getting this because you're blonde.

(48:35):
I'm sure, yeah, they don'ttell. She was a great actress too,
though, you know, like shedidn't make it to the end just
because she was blonde. Yeah.Maybe maybe maybe that's why I didn't.
Yeah, it's so funny too,because I was like, you know,
I look at roles and I justgo, I wonder when when is the
redheaded when is the chubby redhead thinggonna come in? And the problem is,

(49:00):
I'm just like thirty years too oldbecause they love us as child actors.
Like if I would have been,like you look at all of these
shows, there's so many like chubbyred and child at a ginger chubby kid
always yeah, Nickelodeon, Disney.You know. I look at my parents,
like, y'all should have brought meto Hollywood when I was five.
I would have murdered it. ButI wasn't. I was. I was

(49:22):
skinny as a little kid, sothese people, Yeah, I would have.
I was like, you know,I would have been great. You
know. Now it's now it's likeI'm you know, I'm like, what,
I could play that kid when he'sall grown up, like in a
weird butterfly effect. Yeah, orI could play his dad exactly. Oh
it's so gross to think I'm oldenough to be playing dads now. Yeah.

(49:43):
Yeah, no, it's just it'snot though. The age rage,
dude, the age rage. I'vejust I've booked a part for sixteen the
other day. Feel does that feelweird for you to play like that?
Young. Oh, just give mea sports bra and I'll figure it out.

(50:04):
Yeah, I'll be fine. Youknow. It's funny, that's the
same mentality I have. Give mea sports bra and I can probably knock
out most parts. No, it'sjust I can do it. I'm fine.
I can. I feel like it'sharder to play up than down.
Really, yeah, I do.Yeah, because there's a sense of Yes,

(50:25):
I'm mature for my age, butthere's still a sense of life that
I haven't gotten to experience yet.Yes, it's when the light begins to
die from our eyes a little bitand we get a little bit more withered
and worn and run down. Youdon't have that yet, exactly. I
still have. I still got hopeand drive. So, like it's weird

(50:52):
sometimes playing someone that's like way olderthan me, Like, I don't know,
it's like, give me the makeup, I'll play a molly figure it
out. You don't have the bitternessyet. Yeah. Is there is there
something like that that you think,um, Like, in terms of roles,
is there is there something in yourhead of like, this is the

(51:14):
ultimate role I want to do atsome point? Honestly, there isn't.
I I mean, of course,I want to win. I want to
film something that I can win anAcademy Award. Yeah, of course everybody
was that, but there isn't somethingI can put my finger on because acting

(51:37):
is so fun where I have thebest job in the world. I don't
have to go to school and Ican go be a doctor. I can
go be a scientist in astronaut like. I can do anything. I could
be um, someone working their buttoff shift to shift to shift, like

(51:58):
you know, like I can doanything, And I think that's such a
blessing that I never have to justbe unsatisfied with just one role. Is
I can be the bully and Ican be the victim. Yeah, they're
so, but I think the dream. What do you what would you prefer?
What do you like? Would bebooking a TV series where I could

(52:22):
just work every day on set.Do you like drama more or comedy?
Because I think I feel like youhave more of a I think you're more
playful in person than maybe some ofyour roles like Showcase so far for yeah,
definitely. Um, I I've reallyonly gotten I haven't gotten to play

(52:45):
much comedy. I've only gotten,really do I've been the comedic relief in
films, but not a big enoughrole where it's like yeah, I had
to memorize like six days or thewriting, like no, it was like
a three day shoot. I wasin. I was a comedic relief and

(53:06):
I was out. But I likedrama. I love watching drama, so
I'm sure I'm I enjoyed doing actingdrama play. I'm sharing this question all
the time. I'm sorry, goahead. Comedy just hits different, it
does well. I also feel like, you know, it's weird too,
because when people talk about, likewhat what's your favorite movie of all time?

(53:28):
I feel like people always go toum dramas movie grown ups, like
one hundred times, that's your goto grown ups. Honestly, it sounds
crazy, but yeah it Adam samerMan, here's a funny here's a funny
question that we'll go with. What'sa movie that you love that you're embarrassed

(53:52):
to tell people that you love?Because I feel like we we all have
have like our guilty pleasure movies oreven a TV show, like what's something
you love to watch that you wouldbe embarrassed to tell people that you watch
or that you like. H M. I think we have to block out

(54:17):
Reality TV too, because that's oneof the easy go toos because like I
could easily just be like keeping upwith the Kardashians. I never missed that.
That show is so funny you can'thate on it. Yeah, it's
also really it's also really funny ifyou go back and watch all the old
episodes with Bruce knowing where Bruce thenCaitlin ends up. Like it's kind of

(54:42):
like when you watch a movie andthere's like a twist ending and you're like,
I gotta go back and watch fromthe beginnings, like all of yeah,
yeah exactly, and so now likeI want to go back and watch
all of the cushions, like let'ssee if we can spot where this started
exactly, because you hear there stillworries where they say they like walked in
and yeah, I'm trying to enclosure, like where did I miss it?

(55:06):
Yeah, there's and there's also likeso many scenes where they'll like walk into
a room and Bruce is sitting therelike what are you doing? He's like
nothing, not just shedding here withmy thoughts just like and they're just like
what was he doing before? Theylike why does he look panicked? When
other people walk into the room andthen you start to like put it together,
like, oh, maybe that's whatit was. I think my guilty

(55:29):
pleasure right now is I'm watching Idon't know why, but this home organizing
show. Oh the oh yeah,I watched that, the one on Netflix,
Lady's that go in and just organizeeverybody's house. Yeah, that's a
good. That's a really that oneis like super addictive because you watch those

(55:51):
episodes and you're just like, Oh, I'm a slob because I don't have
drawer organizers in all of my drawers. I'm like, do I need to
buy scars just to do the donutroll? Yeah? And then now that
we're remodeling our house and like doI need to buy shoe cabinets? Like?
Do I need to have drawers foreach individuals? I wish I could

(56:14):
take I wish I could take thiscomputer and show you this cloth. You
might actually know you can't, Ohmaybe you can. Do. You see
what's on the top shelf there?Those are shoe Those are the shoe boxes
you're talking about. So all ofthe shoes in our closet now are dropped
down plexiglass shoe boxes that you canput shoes in and take them out.

(56:36):
It makes them look like you haveyour shit together. Well, we used
to just have a pile of fuckingshoes in front of this, and I
was like, we look like piecesof And when I do the podcast,
when people like when we're not sociallydistancing, people come over, like they
sit sort of like right on thisedge with this microphone, right, And

(56:58):
so that's where the pile of shoeused to collect, in front of this
closet, the coat closet. Andnow it's like there's this huge clear floor
space and we have all these niceplexiglass shoe holders, and yes, we
look like we have our ship togetherkind of. So you know, yeah,
those it's weird how you kind ofattach to these things. There's also
a part of me that's sort oflike, how the fuck did somebody realize

(57:21):
that this is a business and ajob of just like going into other people's
houses and being like, let meshow you how to organize, Like let
me be OCD in your house.Yeah, and just like I can go
over to my friend's houses and likeclean their stuff better than I can clean
my own. Yeah, So Ikind of get it, but I'm obsessed

(57:43):
with it like too much. ButI don't know if I necessarily am guilty,
like feel guilty about it, likeguilty pleasure. I would tell anybody
what I'm watching. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think, like what
is something? What is a movie? I love that I can tell you
what a movie? What's a movieI love that people don't understand why I

(58:04):
love it? Is the movie VanillaSky. That's actually the painting print that
I have right back there. Um, but no, that's that's like one
of my all time favorite movies.And i'd say that one in Fight Club
or probably my two favorite movies fightYes, but they're very night and day
like when so when people ask,like for your top five, but I

(58:25):
always put in I always like putcomedies in two and back when Netflix had
like five star ratings, I usedto determine if I would rate a movie
off of whether or not like afive for me would be that I h
it left like an emotional impression.So it either had to make me laugh
out loud or cry um to forme to give it like a five.

(58:46):
And so I try to think ofthe movies like that that I would say
like my all time favorites they've gotto be ones that evoke one of those
two emotions. Yeah, yeah,yeah, because anything else is just like
it's it's okay, yeah that's good. Yeah, like yeah, that's clever,
that's cool. But you know,um, I was going to tell

(59:09):
you I have one idea for arole that I think you would be perfect
for, and I'm gonna put thisout there in the universe so that if
it comes true I can take creditfor it later. I think you should
play Ronda Rousy in her biopic.That's who I think I think you have.
You got that before. Yeah,so so you're from South Dakota.

(59:31):
I think the resemblance is very close. Yes, and um, and I
also think that would be such afucking cool role for somebody to play.
I would love to that would belet's make that happen. Yeah, well,
we'll go get producers together and maybewhat I'll do is I'll just forward

(59:52):
your shit too. I know somebodythat knows her and be like, you
should tell Ronda that she should produceher own biopic and use this girl was
the actress that plays her. Doit? Okay? One time? I
would I called an uber from theMini Target in Burbank. Oh yeah,
I know where that is. Yeah, so I do we have to do

(01:00:13):
another podcast sometimes, not that I'minviting myself back, but I want to
use your sure. Um yeah,I was it, Yeah for sure.
Well that's that's also it's also weirdin this time that we're like practically neighbors
and we're like see you on thecomputer exactly. Um. I was leaving
that target and I called an uberand I got in the uber. This

(01:00:35):
was before Corona, so she couldsee my face and I got in and
she was like very like excited,nervous, and she's like you're Rhonda Rousie
right, And I was like,She's like, can I have your autograph?
And I was like I would sobe all over this, But how
do you spell her last name?Oh that's funny. Yeah, I was

(01:00:59):
like I would totally faithless is alot of and a lot of people don't
remember that. She doesn't spell itlike Rhonda Normally she spells it with no.
H Well I knew that member thatyeah, but yeah I was I
was like, shoot, no,I'm Margot Quinn. Yeah yeah, I've

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done that before. I've done thatbefore when I was younger, and it's
it's I'll do you one better.Where it's even worse where you mistake somebody
is when you do it with ablack person. It's even more fucking terrifying
when you realize that you thought somebodywas someone different from who they are.
I was like in high school andwe went to see these two bands that

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we loved, and one of them, like we knew the members of the
band, like we had hung outwith them before and so uh. But
the singer of this other band thatwe like was also a black dude with
long dreadlocks, and so we gotI got them confused, like when I
was talking to them from a distanceand like getting closer and I was like,
oh wait, that's not Jared.That is definitely not who I thought

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it was. But the funny thingwas was that he his name was Elias,
that he's the singer of this bandin non point. But I had
gotten them mixed up, And thefunny thing was Elias just played along with
it the entire time, and Iwas just like, dude, you can't
leave me hanging like that, likeyou gotta like you gotta bail me out.
At some point, man, Iwas like, how long do you

(01:02:30):
let this go before I feel horrible, and I brought it up. I
saw him at a concert like afew years later and brought that story up
to it. I was like,do you remember that? Like why did
you never correct me? And hewas like, Dude, that shit happens.
That shit happened on that tour allthe time, because it's very rare
that metal bands have like black singerswith long dreadlocks, and that just so

(01:02:52):
happened that there were two bands ontour that both had black singers with long
dreadlocks. And then the next tourthat he was on was also with like
a heavy metal band that was frontedby a black singer with long dreadlocks,
the band Seven Dust. And sohe's like, that shit happens to me
on every tour that I go on, Like people think I'm LeJean from seven

(01:03:14):
Dust, they think I'm you know. So it's like it was one of
those kind of funny things. UMLike, long term, it was kind
of funny because I was like,Okay, at least it's not just me,
because I felt horrible about it whenit happened, But it is one
of those moments where you're just likeand I think that happens all the time
where you'll hear people like, oh, that's so and so, and you
gotta be like, no, thatis not that is not who that you

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think that. Yeah, no,my my parents do that. They're like
I just saw a famous person.I'm like, no, you didn't.
And the and the weird thing isis like you actually, when you do
see super mega celebrities, you oftensee them in places that you wouldn't expect,
like uh where. It's also justvery weirden to pick up sticks.

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I was like, what the heck, I'm glad not think I see you
here? The one on cold WaterNo, in Studio City, Yeah,
or is it on Laurel Canyon?I think it's Laurel Canyon, the one
that's by like the little key,the little place your keys made. Yeah.
Yeah, it's so random. LikeI I met Jay Leno at Philly's

(01:04:27):
Best in Burbank, Like he justpulled up to pick up lunch in one
of his old, like nineteen thirtiesautomobiles, just wearing all denim and just
walked in. It was like meand another comedian eating one that was his
uniform. Yeah, he basically wearsthat all day every day. Times.
And the crazy thing is the comicI was having lunch with my buddy Will

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and he knew Jay from doing spotsat the Comedy of Magic Club in Hermosa
Beach, and so he just likeinvited him over, and Jay Leno just
like sat there with us talking comedyfor ten minutes, you know, while
everybody's sandwiches got cold, which iswild. I mean, the cool thing
is like you realize that, likeeverybody, they're all we're all just people,

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right like, and yes, there'sa huge socioeconomic separation, but for
the most part, everyone I've metis really cool. And the crazy thing
is is like the people that seemum, maybe a little difficult or hard
to work with are often very cool. And then there's often the cases where
the people that seem very cool andinterviews and stuff are actually not very cool,

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like name names, Margot No.Yeah, yeah, there's there's some
I'm trying to think, like,who is somebody I met that was like
a I don't think I've ever Idon't think I've ever bumped into anybody that
was like a total fucking piece ofshit. Uh. I can't think of

(01:05:51):
anyone off the top of my headthat jumps out where like this person was
at oh I do no, no, I got one. I got But
but if I I'll tell you one, we're done broadcasting. But I will
tell you if I tell you whothis person is, you're gonna go,
oh, yeah, no, sheseems like a piece of shit, like
you would never, you would never. This person is not a surprise that
they're kind of a piece of shit. But but yeah, stories, there's

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so many like that. But thething, you know, yeah, that
part's tough too. A lot ofcoke heads. It's like, yo,
lay off the coke guys. Yeahit's not nineteen eighty seven. Yeah,
there's a there's a lot of thatthere, and that's um, that's kind
of like sad in a way.And you see more of that shit in

(01:06:38):
comedy, I think than in acting. Maybe not, but like I feel
like there are a lot of comediansthat feel like having a cocaine problem is
a rite of passage because so manyof the greats had it, Like you
know, prior Richard Pryor had abig problem with cocaine obviously, and uh,
you know Mitch Hedberg with Harold therewere so many like great comedians that

(01:07:00):
died from drug use. But it'slike, you can be a great comedian
and not kill yourself with drugs.There are a lot of them that do
that too. Yes, I've iopioids and just in the acting business are
very common. You'd be surprised.I've had a couple of friends overdose from
it, and you're their writing musicon hit movies. I mean, they're

(01:07:27):
just it's crazy, it's sad.How do you do you feel like coming
from the Midwest and it sounds likeyou're very tight with your family, do
you'd like that helps you kind ofnavigate some of them? Absolutely, it's
I think a lot of these people, I mean, even though a lot
of them have come from outside ofLA, they've kind of turned into LA.

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Yeah, and LA change them andmold them to what they think they're
supposed to be, and they haven'treally they lost sight of who they really
were, and that's what made themso great was the fact that they weren't
LA. And I don't know,I think it can be really messy,

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but I having my family has I'mvery family oriented and I keep my people
very close to me. And Ithink that LA has a lot of bad
voodoo. Yeah, Well, I'vealways explained it to people like this is

(01:08:34):
like you just kind of got tofind your tribe, Like, you know,
I think the tough thing about LAis like I think when people move
here, the hard thing they haveto realize is the friends that you think
you want to have might not bethe best ones for you, exactly like
you think. Since I'm in theacting business, I have all my acting
friends. Yeah, I have likemaybe one or two friends that are actors.

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It's the same for me with comedians, Like there are a lot of
comedians that I'm friendly with or thatI like their work, or that I'm
like, you know, we're veryyeah, and we're like amicable, but
I would never call them my friends, and nor would they be like that
guy's my friend. But and thenthe crazy thing is is the comedians and
stuff that I have become super goodfriends with that I would like, like,

(01:09:26):
show up to bail out of jailif they needed it are people that
I never thought I would be friendswith when I first moved to LA because
we were so different personality wise backthen. And then as you like age
through the business together and your livestake different terms, sometimes you end up
at the same place with people thatyou never thought you would have. And
that's what's so cool about the city. This is what I told people about

(01:09:49):
living in LA but also my timedriving like Uber and Lyft and doing that
stuff. Is like you have thepossibility in this city to meet people that
you otherwise never would have in yourlife. And like during the years I
drove Uber from like twenty thirteen totwenty nineteen and like in some capacity,

(01:10:10):
like whether it was like a coupleof days a week or like seven days
a week in that time, Iprobably met like half a million people in
the city over those years that Iotherwise would have never met. And not
just people from LA but people fromall over the world. That's the coolest
thing about LA is that there isso much culture as much as it's like

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very sent in its ways of keepingpeople in their box in like how being
cookie cutter. There are so manydifferent types of people compared to the Midwest.
I mean I can go to somany different types of foods. Yeah,

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like I can go to Korean barbecue, I can go to ramen,
I can go to sushi, Ican go to Mexican It's like in the
Midwest, I don't have culture likethat I know well, and you know,
if you're lucky enough to live ina place that has a suit like
I think I've been to the sushirestaurant in the entire state of South Dakota

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and it ain't good. Not wait, do you know, don't waste your
time if you can't see notion,don't eat the fish. Yeah, exactly,
there's that. Yeah, the Midwestis good for beef, and beef
you can eat. The only thingI missed from the Midwest is culvers.

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Oh my gosh, I want culversat my wedding plane culvers. The people
they're just like, what is it? And you're like, what is it?
Get on a plane. I'm like, guys, let's go get concrete
mixers. And they're like, whatis that? You get a truck?

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No? Yeah, or just theidea also too, I feel like caulvers
is the opposite of Los Angeles foodin the sense of like these are called
butter burgers, and they're just likethat sounds unhealthy, Like it absolutely is,
but it's also delicious. It's notyour in and out if you like
in and out, I don't knowhow okay, good, I'm glad we

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agree. No, no, no, we do agree rich in and Out,
Yeah, in and out. Onthe list of burger places, I
would put in and Out like numberten. I would say in and Out
is not great, But I wouldsay Culvers. I would put Culvers probably
in my top three. Oh,fast food burger places, it's my like

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top two one. Have you hadtheir chicken tenders? I've had every Have
I had there? The honey mustard? Is your camera broken? You could
see me right, There's very littlein the world I haven't had. Okay,
I could understand if you're like,if you had their salads, I'd
be like, that's a fair question, and the answer is no, but

(01:13:04):
I haven't. Yeah, No,Have I had their chicken tenders? Yes?
Of course. I remember when thewhen it so. I lived in
Austin, Minnesota, like southern Minnesota, not very far from South Dakota,
UM and I remember when Culvers firstopened in our town and I didn't know
what it was and we went andI was like, oh, this is
the shit. Also for me togo to with Culvers is the patty melt,

(01:13:29):
because there's something about a butter burgerbeing put on buttered toast with melty
cheese and bacon and all of thatgood shit, and that to me,
like that is the epitome of oflike fast food. Oh my gosh,
my friends back home will snapchat mepictures of them having culvers just to ruin

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my day. Oh those bastards.Yeah, not friends. And there's another
change that we about the yeah chickflays good. We did you grow up
on Taco John's? Oh yeah yougo? Yeah, so you know it,

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you know, I know the goodyeah taco It was funny, man,
Like I remember, uh, Iwas unfamiliar with Taco Johns because I
moved to Minnesota in high school,and so I only knew Taco Bell.
And in my town, the TacoJohns was across the street from the Taco
Bell. And I remember like allof the kids at free lunch period would
go to Taco John's and it waslike me and one other kid would go

(01:14:34):
to Taco Bell. But it's moreexpensive than Taco Bell, Yeah for sure,
um, but I just yeah,I remember that being like the the
weird Taco Bell kid in high schoolbecause I didn't know I didn't know we
and we also you also had tolike cross the street to get to Taco
Bell, and it was like thelight was way down from where it was

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and so you had to like runacross this busy street. So you know
it was we were rebels. Solda, So did you go to Zorbas?
No? No, I don't thinkit the only the only real pizza place.
Uh. The only pizza that Iremember from Minnesota that was like a

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big Minnesota thing was we had Godfathersthere, which we don't have here,
which everybody loved, and they anytimewe did like pizza days at school or
something, it was always Godfather's pizza, which was pretty It's like, it's
not good, but I can rememberdown to like the texture exactly how it

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tasted like. It has a verysort of like Little Caesar's consistency of like
if somebody hands you a slice ofLittle Caesars and you're blindfolded, you will
know right of way that that's LittleCaesar's pizza, and Godfather's is the same
way. There's almost like it alwaystastes reheated god bother pizza Like, it
never tastes like fresh. It alwaystastes like they cooked this and then it

(01:16:00):
got cold, and then they cookedit again, and that's what Godfather stays
Like. Have you heard of Casey'sPizza. I think, so is that
the is that the gas station pizza? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I
used to live off of that shipwhen we would do like shitty one night
ers in South Dakota, North Dakota. So there's like probably not there's probably

(01:16:24):
not a small pound in North Dakotathat I have not done comedy in uh
in two thousand and eight, likeI, we would drive into places where
where it was like, no,I'm dead serious. I I would say,
huh, maybe I'd have to lookat it. Uh, We've done

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Devil's Lake, We've done Esmond,North Dakota, which is like super tiny,
I mean Bismarck Fargo. I'd haveto go back and look at my
So there's a website called Sonic Bids, which is like what used to be
for like electronic press kits for bands, and they used to have an integrated
calendar for your websites. And Iwould if I could go back and pull

(01:17:10):
that up, I could tell youevery bar we ever did in North and
South Dakota. We did a bunchof South Dakota too, but not nearly
as you had to have got thesup balls. Oh, for sure.
Su Falls definitely sue falls like theMinneapolis. Oh well, it's like the
Rochester. Let's be honest, it'snot quite a Minneapolis. It's more like
the Rochester of South Dakota. Iused to I used to when I was

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a district manager of a Hollywood videoback in the day. I had stores
in South Dakota, and I wouldtake that five and a half hour drive
from Minneapolis to go to those storesand then spend a half whichever you take.
It is. Well, first ofall, just because there's eighty mile
an hour speed limits doesn't mean yougo a hundred, even though I know

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that's how most people in South Dakotadrive. Yo, it's eighty for a
reason. I remember driving on thosehighways in like the middle of winter,
when there was tons of snow andice on the ground. I was just
like, I'm gonna die doing this. This is yeah, oh yeah.
Or the black ice on a dirtroad that's something else. Yeah, that's
not good either. Those are theonly kind of roads you have in South

(01:18:19):
Dakota. Dirt roads you have inSouth Dakota. I had a friend that
used to make fun of me inhigh school, and he goes our teacher
got so mad at him. Hewas like, we were talking about like
state trees and state like birds andanimals. He was like, I just
moved still to transfer. Kid.He's like, yeah, I know the

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state tree in South Dakota. AndI was like, dude, I don't.
I don't even know that. Whatis it? He goes a light
pule or a telephone pole, andI was like, I was like what
I was? I laughed so hard. My teacher's like, that's so,
I mean, that's probably true,though I know I don't even know what

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it is. Your airport, airport, Anyone who hasn't been in South Dakota
should fly there one time just tosee the airport because it literally looks it
looks like a sound stage. Itliterally just looks like a series of sheds
that they built a landing strip nextto. It's seven gate or no,

(01:19:26):
it's eight gates in six, sevenand eight are on the same gate.
Right, it's a little submit.Well, we don't want to have a
five gate airport, so let's justput three all at the same place.
Yeah, it practical. Yeah,I've done I've done stuff in Sioux Falls
and rapid cities South Dakota. Aboutwall Wall South Dakota. I'm trying to

(01:19:50):
I'm trying to look like South Dakota, North Dakota to figure out all of
the I mean, this could bea long thing, but yeah, there
are so so many like Bullah,North Dakota. Um what else I did?
Uh? Bisbee, North Dakota,which is like on the Canada border.

(01:20:13):
There Yeah, so many small likeplaces where you go in and you're
like the guy who owns the baris also the sheriff and the mayor,
like, oh yeah, six otherbuildings around here, Yeah, exactly like
but and people always ask me that, like you've done comedy wherever, Like
what's the scariest place, like likeCompton or like you know, the Bronx,
or or like Washington Heights in NewYork. I go, no,

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fucking middle of nowhere North Dakota,because if somebody kills me out there,
you'll never find my body. Myfriend's dad always used to say, we
could go kill one of your boyfriends, burying him in the corner. No
one will ever find them, neverfind him. Like I remember. I
remember one time we were up thereand I was the comic. I was

(01:20:56):
torn with like the guy who ownedthe bar, who was like Also,
the sheriff's daughter was very pretty,and he was like, he's How'm gonna
try to bring her back to thehotel, and you better not. We're
gonna get fucking murdered. Yeah,don't be that guy, don't be stupid.
Let's just you know, let's justdo our time. Go stay at
our Let's just do our time.Go stay at our little motel that has

(01:21:18):
screen doors on the doors and mosquitos. Yeah, let's get our Let's get
our thousand dollars worth of pay andget the fuck out of here. Um,
here's a fun story. We'll closeon this. Do you have any,
um, do you have any sortof like supernatural type stories from living

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in that part of the country,Because I will share one another comic an
eye name, and we swear tothis to this day. I don't have
any like I saw alien stories oranything like that. But I am one
hundred percent sure that another comic dudenamed Daryl Horner and myself saw a thunderbird
in the middle of the night onenight while we were driving through North Dakota.

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And I don't know if you're familiarwith thunderbirds. They're talked about mostly
in Native American culture. Yeah,but a thunderbird is basically not a Ford
thunderbird either. That would be areally shitty cop out. Um. No,
I mean like these birds, youknow, allegedly had like wingspans that
over twenty thirty feet wide. AndI'm not shitting. We were driving.

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This was on the way to Esmond, North Dakota, which is like as
you're driving up there, it's allwide open sort of farmland, and we
literally, yeah, we like feltthis. Yeah. You know, sometimes
if you're under a low flying plane, you'll feel the shadow of that plane
kind of creep up on you,even if you don't hear it. But

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we kind of felt this sort oflike shadow coming behind us, and as
we looked over I'm not shitting,a bird that was three times as wide
as the truck we were driving injust like flew overhead um and then just
kind of like veered off to theright up into the sky, and i
was like, we both looked ateach other like what the fuck was that?

(01:23:11):
No, No, it wasn't aneagle. It was it was clear.
So we looked this up, like, what is that native American bird
that all the totem poles have?And it is a thunderbird. Yeah,
and they're considered very you know,like very spiritual things and and a lot
of people think it's like mythological orfolklore. But that that was like probably
the scariest sort of supernatural thing thatever happened in all of my time traveling

(01:23:33):
the country, because it kind offelt like that bird could have literally just
picked up our truck and fucking thrownit across the you know, it was
huge. Holy crap. Yeah,did you ever see anything like that living
out there? No? I justthought much corn. Okay, well,

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then I guess thanks for backing meup on that. You should. That's
where you're supposed to like it onsome sort of head dress and be like,
I know, so my brothers andsisters back in South Dakota they always
always worship the thud. You haveto lay it on that. Uh.

(01:24:16):
It's so it was just so creepy. But it's funny too, because I
know Darryl's gonna see this episode.He's gonna be like, dude, we
fucking saw it, and we sawit. We saw it, and then
we went back and told a bunchof other comedians that we saw it.
They're like, you guys are fuckingcrazy. And then two other comedians named
John Lewis and Chris Maddock went outthere and they fucking said they saw it

(01:24:36):
too, so and they might havebeen they might have just been messing with
us, but we know we sawit for sure, and it was it
was some scary shit. So there'seither a guy out there with some kind
of weird Wright Brothers costume that heflies around in at night, or thunderbirds
are real. It's one of thosetwo things. We'll let the audience decide.

(01:24:58):
I guess, So, Margo,I can't say thank you so much
for or thank you enough for doingthe show today. Do you have anything
you want to plug before we getout of here? You guys can follow
me on my Instagram. It's theMargot Quinn. Yeah, I've got it
right here, boom Margot Quinn.They can find you there. And do

(01:25:20):
you have any any kind of coolprojects coming up for me? I guess
it's hard to like promote stuff rightnow because you have no idea when and
how things are going to release.Yeah, I booked a film that's going
to be filmed in Vegas. Ihave a small part. They're flying me
in. Pretty much just say afew lines and cry on que. So

(01:25:44):
it's it's not too big, butit sounds like a Wednesday for me.
Yeah, exactly. But nothing toocrazy right now, just because of COVID.
But I have a lot of stuffplanned for next year. Well that's
exciting, that's good. A lotof things are trying to move it to
next year, just hoping that everything'sokay. Exactly. Well, we'll see,

(01:26:08):
right, I mean, who knowsthe next I think, you know,
this ramp up to the end oftwenty twenty is going to be pretty
crazy, So we'll see what happens. You know, between now and then.
At least in our little neighborhood,were kind of tucked away from the
insanity a little bit, a littlebit, but you know, that could
all change. Let's just hope thatBurbank PDE doesn't do anything fucking ridiculous and

(01:26:30):
driving around their jeeps. Yeah,we just hopefully we can avoid any kind
of severe apocalyptic stuff happening, becausethe last thing, you know, it's
I love apocalypse movies. I definitelydon't want to live in one. Yeah,
not by my house. Yeah that'smore. Yeah, you're our neighborhood,

(01:26:50):
well more your neighborhood than my neighborhood. But your neighborhood is always the
neighborhood they use for like nice suburbsin sitcoms. Yeah, it looks like
everywhere else in America. It's likethe little hole in the wall. It's
like the perfect MIDWESTI kind of vibebecause it's like nothing like the rest of

(01:27:12):
la. Yeah, it's like veryIt looks very leave it to beaver.
It looks very like Brady Bunch overthere. So perfect. Well, thank
you, you're welcome, Thanks forhaving me, of course. Well i'll
have you back on again. Well, I'm sure there'll be more crazy stuff
to talk about over there. Giveit a minute. Yeah, too scared

(01:27:50):
to look down between I and Iam. I get you the time to

(01:28:12):
be little timely fall. I don'tknow. They can't be a little one
time if you live farll who youshould ask somebody? Because I've got nothing
to lose. Tonight. I misplacedmy life tonight. She started my friends

(01:28:33):
away tonight. I don't say theright things. I don't blood the right
way. That's just what I mean. I listen to my music to lod
and watch too much Stamp