Ep. 195 - Talking relationships, today's music industry and more with Ruff Endz

Talking relationships, today's music industry and more with Ruff Endz

Episode Transcript

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This is the FCB Podcast Network.Welcome to John Brown. What's going on?

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What's going on? This your man, Jeff Brown, and you tuned
into another exciting episode of The JeffBrown Show with Coco Brown. And I'm
excited to announce that we're are onthe road to two hundreds, to our
two hundredth episode. I'm excited aboutthat, and no better way to kick
that off than introducing the lovely sideof the show, none other than the
legendary Coco Brown her self. What'sup, Cocoa? Hey, Baby,

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how y'all doing? How y'all doingthat? Mama to get this up together?
They're pretty chief cheeth be so own? What's up? Baby? I
were aging in reverse, sigar.This is what's called when you live your
life right and you take breaks inbetween being extra all and you eat your
flished all vitamins, yes, honey, I guess lots of vitamin D.

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What's up? Lord? Have Mercyy'all been on one from the very beginning.
If the audience could have heard howthe conversation was going before the show
started, Lord have Mercy, ohman, be amazing. Well listen,
Cocoa. I just want to trustthis show to you because you've got some
phenomenal guests on some legends all andthese are your friends and you want to

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think that coming on. So I'mgonna ahead and talking to you, baby
girl. Yes, I am soexcited to introduce his brothers. Man.
I have been a fan forever andthen I have the absolute pleasure of working
with them and we just clicked likewe've known each other forever. So,
like I said, of these brothersfamily, you know them with their hit
songs. No more shoppy history becauseyou knocked up and also someone to up.

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That was my song, honey.I'm telling you I sung that song
with all my chests. Yo.You know him as David de Bench Chance
and Dante Sean Jordan, but youall know him as the Mack and honestly
the hit group. Roth is givingup for my boys job. What's up?
Hey? What's going on? Hey? Now? Boing all the way

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representing be more in the house.That's right, that's right. Excited to
be on. Can you hear mepretty good? We can hear you,
fine, baby, we can hearyou fine. Did she go somewhere he
go? Oh yeah? Go Ino, man, y'all, I just

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gotta say y'all, Havy and TisI'm driving almost got at dagging y'all.
O good, y'all could have heardthe conversations. They just had almost need
on myself. It's like we justget warmed up, you know, every

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meek you know, me and Darbydon't try to save Jeff from himself.
But it never it's it's it's it'sI mean, it's a working progress.
Shaw's working progress, you know.Um again, I want to thank you
all for coming up. I mean, y'all legends, uh in the R
and B world, Man, andjust in the music industry at large,

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and uh and Coco. I justwant to ask a quick question here because
I really want you to quarterback thisthing for us today. UM, when
y'all looked at the body of workyou've done right in the industry and looking
at where we are today, howhas the industry changed and has it changed

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for the better or has it changedfor the worst? In your opinion?
Hm oh Man's. Part of myanswer is it's a matter of perspective.
Perspective wise, you can look atit like there's a lot of artists not

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getting too deep into it, butthere's a few artists that I ran across
school really doesn't perform anymore. Andthe reason why they don't perform is because
they're saying they don't get the moneythey used to get, right and ways,
I understand that. You know,if your artists have been out for
a while or whatever, case says, a lot of things have changed.

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But some of the things that havechanged definitely may get more of a challenge
to be an artist, like likewhen Napster, When Napster and all of
that stuff started, that was likethe beginning of the end sort of speak.
When it came to like record sales, you know, you know,
I like buying physically a cassette ora CD or an album or whatever.

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Yeah, I heard a lot ofyou know, artists say that the streaming
services really kind of hurt them.You know. The same respect is how
stand up comedians a real spandom comedians, how social media commerce came in and
took over and it was like itwatered down. Did you feel like it
watered down and then it also affectedthe talent and money? Definitely? Definitely.

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Um Again, you have a youhave a lot of people who success
is built on false numbers. Ifif if you as a promoter, saying,
look, um, I haven't reallyseen y'all show, but I've been
online and y'all got this many followers. Susutts got one hundred thousand, susu

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sets got four hundred thousand. Youonly got yes, Like, okay,
you find out that some of thepeople in the game ain't playing the game.
How you playing a game you don'tpay somebody? You got this many
followers. Well, at the sametime, it's like you know it right,

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It's a like you know your bodyof work, like like, for
instance, I'll even compare it tomy career. It's like, you know,
I have all these credits and Ieven got a SAG Award nomination.
But when I fit in these meetings, all they care about is how many
followers I have. They could careless about all the TV shows and all
the movies I've done, how muchwork I've put in the training, you

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know, the classes I've taken.You know, they could care less about
how many standing odes I've gotten.They could care less of how many you
know, all they care about ishow many followers you are. If all
those follow will come and sell outa show exactly now, Now, this
is the curveball about that this isthe curveball. The curveball for that situation
is Okay, am I doing allthe lifting for you? We agree that

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you was gonna pay for promotion,So are we promoting it or am I
promoting it for you? Right?Because for a long time that was a
part of their job, right,Radio dad or dad, whatever the case
is. Now it's like, canyou bring him from your following yourself you're

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doing? And how much is thepercentage going to change if I'm doing the
marketing and promotion. I think Ithink you touched it on something as as
well. Where they are they're lookingat you know, like even movies are
doing it. They're looking at thecast and they look at it. How
you followers they have have like they'rethey're actually you know, they're actually picking

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people based on that so that itcould benefit the movie. You know what
I mean? Right, Talent isyou know, back in the day,
we come from an era where talentwas first and then but you know what
I mean, but now following usfirst, the number of stats, you
know, and then when you getthere, it ain't all that funny,
Like a lot of people are saying, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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I mean yea, go there andshut it down. Absolutely. That's
interesting y'all say that because because wedo live in a social media information society
and the culture right everything is aboutgoing viral. You know, when you
look at the body of work andI look at Coco, and I look
at you know, you know,you all, you know, and you

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are actually legends like you all havecontributed a major part to R and B.
Like people, you have hits thatpeople listen to, they play on
the radio, they playing and streaming, you know, And yet it seems
like the industry that you've built andcontribute to it is cheating. It's cheating,

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y'all. That's what it seems liketo me, you know what I
mean. And it's unfortunate. Sohow do you combat that? How do
you change that narrative to stay relevantand to you know, continue what you've
been able to do so, youknow, throughout these years for the past,
you know, twenty thirty years,you gotta keep going. You gotta

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keep going, just learning from thepeople that have paved the way. And
I'm not just speaking about just justmusic. I'm talking about comedy, I'm
talking about musicians, I'm talking aboutall about people I'm talking about from Paig
leg Lue, the tap dancer thathad one leg. Like these people literally

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don't get it twisted upcome us,people that been in a game do not
get it twisted. We've had peopleto pave the way for us. I'm
talking about places where they can't evenstay in the hotel. They've sold out
every room only they got to theback door perform and and and stay in

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the hotel down the street. Youfeel what I'm saying. I gotta look
at it like that. I gottalook at it like people who wasn't as
famous when they were alive and done. They are huge, like huge artists,
but was struggling when they was alive, you know what I mean.
So at the same time, it'snot the perfect situation, but it is.

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The situation in itself is reality initself. So it's like, how
do you want to be remembered?Um, what do you want to speak
for you? That's what it comesdown to, you know, putting those
things in place to build the legacyfor yourself, whether you're gonna have one
hundred thousand or one hundred fans,Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think

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that integrity, like you know,we talk about how talent um is um
somehow put put on the back burningnow and now it's a popularity contest.
Person is popular, they could befar less talented. Can't can't dance,
can't rap, can't whatever. Youknow. Um, we we already know

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that, we know that that's howit is. But do you feel like
some of these newer cats are notpaying the homage to the people that's that
that that opened the doors for them, Because I know in comedy that was
a big thing for us, thatthese social media comedians were coming in and
disrespecting the ogs, disrespecting events,just like you know, it got to
a point that it was it wasit was a war at one point.

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Because we're here in the gate mytwenty five thirty years in this business,
because you was famous overnight, becauseyou knew how to do a thirty video.
You're gonna respect who I am justas you expect me to respect you.
Is it that way in the musicindustry as well, that you feel
like the younger ones coming in whoare now coming in based solely on followers
and likes and all of that,are they not respecting the ogs, not

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understanding that you wouldn't even beat whereyou were if it wasn't for them.
I think that it's a it's ait's it's definitely some of that. And
I think there are some that dopay homage. I think it's based on
the individual, you know what Imean. You know some of these some
of these people grew up on thelegends and you know, like me,
I grew up on the Michael andJames Brown Holidays artists. So you know,

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I'm gonna pay homage is soon.You know, that's just who I
am as a person. Um.You know, I got my mother and
my father that you know. Youknow, I got a different upbringing,
even though I was raised in thehood, you know what I mean.
Some people, I don't know.I think it's just an individual basis,
you know what I mean, Becauseit's kind of like that to some of
these young cats saying nay this thatin the third and you know, look

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at y'all, y'all them fell off, y'all ain't relevant. That's that word
again that I don't really like.Oh my god, you know what I
mean. Um, And that's thatin the third you know, so um,
but when you see him, yousee him saying live, Oh my
god, I mean it's a hitbracket, but definitely it's studio to death

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like Auto twos and this thing inAcapulco. Honey, that's the real singers.
But bo the real singers, theydon't even know piano, no guts
out, no no. I thinkyou know a lot of the old They
need a whole reverb kit behind them, sound busin. I think you said

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something. I think a process,a step in the process is missing because
of social media. Like you,I think, I don't know, you
got to speak more in your world. I think it was like certain circuits
that you had to go in andwe had you know, we had our
thing. We was doing our thing, talent shows, just that in the
third you know, doing these showcases, meeting people. We had artist development.

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We was on a label that reallyput into us how to sit,
how to interview these people. Thesekids are making the music in their base,
in their basement, putting it rightonline and if it go viol they
just becoming a celebrity. Very littleartist development, very little of what's going
on, you know what I mean, how to you know what I mean,

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how to speak? How to talk? And people do that? Good?
Yeah, Well, listen, Iwant to I want to touch on
that when you talk about artist development, I want to talk about that.
After the break, listen, we'llbe right back with rough fans. Hey,
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rusts. Yes, Hey, justhaving us some great conversation and job us

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some major gyms and you know,we were talking about artist development and along
with some other things in the previoussegment. Let's talk about that artist development.
You know, Coco, you know, when I think about you,
you do, you got a Baschlord'sdegree, You've done all this great stuff,
and I look at you know,your accomplishments as well, and I

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understand that there was a road thatled to that artist development and everything you've
been able to do. Honey,trust me. Yeah, they do that
with the white the white I'm gonnakeep it one hundred. They still do
that with white people. White um, white musicians. They still do that
there. Yeah. Yeah, Sohow y'all feel about that? Well?
I think, you know, becauseyou know the people that I you know,

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the people that I look back andadmired, you know, the Lena
Horns to Pearl Baileys to ruby Ds. You know, they they had artists
development, but they were also womenthat walked into a room owned it.
So they had a really great campusto work with. You know, we're
in an age now that as awoman, it's it's it's tough for me
sometimes because, um, you know, comics now gotta be sexy. I

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gotta be up there with all mychee cheese out. I gotta be up
there, you know, being asexualized being instead of just being funny.
They'd rather see me be sexy tobe funny, you know, and you
know, with artists development, itteaches you how to go into interviews,
it teaches you how to maintain yourself, making sure you don't drive your publics
is crazy because you out here doingcraziness. We are now in an age

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with the crazy. The more crazyyou do, the more famous and popular
you become. So everybody's trying tosee who can outdo each other in terms
of crazy. And back in theday, artist development kept you away from
that. Now when you do haveartists development, they're trying to get you
to do that. Yeah, days, can you can? You can?
You can you elaborate on that becauseI know you were talking about that prior

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to the break. Go ahead,man, I just love how she put
it. I mean she said thatlike you can't say it no better.
I mean, that's that's exactly thatI think that step is missing. Um.
And you know, when we weretalking about the whole social media aspect
of it with you know, backto our earlier question you said about you

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know, technology and how things havechanged and at all end, you know,
social media has definitely changed a lotof things, but we still got
to figure out how to still getthe principles, how to still get the
character, how to still get allof the nuggets that we got. You
know what I mean, Artists todayhave to fix out. You know what
I mean. Listen, you knowyou know what I mean. I just

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want to add two cents. Iain't I hope I cut your wisdom.
Bro. First of all, weretalking about before not to talk down on
anyone, but I kind of classifiedas Kardashian fame, you know what I'm
saying, Like, none of themreally are talented enoughing they you know,

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it's like they said it that selves, they said it that sel. So
I'm not really talking down on Sothat's like the Kardashian brand of fame.
Now, at the same time,I'm going to play both sides a little
bit and say, just because weare all having a human experience, everybody
is not going to get to thesame place the same way, but everybody

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that's there, I would hope theywould respect it the same if that makes
sense. It's like, Okay,I did this many years of medical school
and did all that, Dad,and you got through with volunteering and da
da dad learning hands on. Butat the same time, it's like if

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there's a change in quality, there'sa problem. For instance, it's like
we didn't know we needed artist development, and two we had artist development.
I need artist development. I'm striekedfrom Emmason and Monro. Every other word
I said was you know what I'msaying. You know what I'm saying?
Nah, I mean na, Imean. I didn't even realize I was

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saying it that much until he playedtight back and I'm like wow. Then
it was like I played the takeback again. I can't put my hands
in my face yep. On allthis it's stuff like like you were saying
the stuff that keeps you and theimage that you want portray versus you not

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really having training and you're just goingoff of the rip, going off of
your emotions. You know. Yeah, Mike Tyson was as Mike Tyson until
his trainer died. It's trainer kepthim out of the media for reading boys

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like how he went off the ripwith his thoughts and saying I eat your
kids before training died. You didn'tknow that, Mike, correct do that,
Mike. We didn't know him,you know what I'm saying. It's
like it's like, um, mostof these people don't know they needed it

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until they get it. So atthe same time, I can't really blame
them. At the same time,I can't really hold it against people that
that that get into the game fromthe internet per se, you know,
one way or the other. Butyeah, back, the respect and the
admiration should always be there, especiallyif you understand that somebody paved the way.

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Somebody, somebody went through hell beforeyou could walk through like it was
heaven. You know what I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, I may ask
you a question, who who?Who inspired you? Who who? When
you look at the body of work, at talent, your gifts, you
know, and this is a dualquestion for both of you. Who who

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do you say with someone you lookedat it and say, you know what
I want to I want to havethat type of impact. This person inspired
me to sing, this person thisis where I want to be. Who
was that port for you? Ohman? Answer a loaded questions as a
load of question. Well, we'lltrying to give me a top two,
No, Joe, oh I know, give me your top five, give

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me your top all right, I'ma breeze through it real quick like this.
Shout out to my homeboy Ray Lugaand his mom jaque Land, miss
Land, was like an historian.House was literally exam Her living room was
all our people in sports, diningroom was all our people in music.
Upstairs was all our people in Egypt. And it was it was. It

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was crazy. On another level,I like fell in love with the stories
of our people, making it sofor me to have like one or two
is more difficult in many the mostbecause of my love and respect for the
people that have paved the way forus to be here. It's like not
having loved mother, my father isridiculous. You know what I'm saying.

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It's like, but I would haveto definitely have to say like James Brown.
James Brown batted through a lot.He came through a like came through
a time that you know we weretalking about that was crazy. He's one
of the only R and B singerswith a novel P prized um like we
can't go on and on um.He was one of the best soul When

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I say soul music, I'm talkingabout people that come up on stage and
with damn their RiPP a song offthe top of his head. That's what
he called soul music. Jane Brownused to do that in real time.
We've done it before, you knowwhat I mean. But it still always
makes me think about James Brown,Stevely wonder you know what Donnie had the

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way like you know people like thatwho I mean, they we model a
lot about talent, a lot aboutthe ways to use our instruments after these
people. So you gotta give themtheir props. Yeah, sound like Charlie
Wilson, and not give Charlie WilsonO love because you wouldn't sounding like that
off the rip from a kid?Right, So what's your top five?

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Over? Let me let me takethis break real quick. We go we
go take a break. So hehad where he could gather it. Get
your top five, and we're gonnacome back get your top five man,
because each other each each other.Hey, listen, we'll be rather back
with the top five. Right.So you got these wise men and Matthew

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two that come to worship Jesus.But the phenomenal part of it, I
mean, yeah, they gave himgifts. They come from far, they
follow a star, they get there. That's an amazing story in itself.
But what's really amazing to me ishow they preserve their life, how God
keeps them in a dream, hetells them, don't go back the same
way you came. And so theydidn't go back the same way. Herod
doesn't kill him because they didn't goback the same route, and that,

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to me is amazing. I thinkthe mistake a lot of us make in
life is that we end up goingback the same route we're used to going,
and we don't know how to findnew route. We don't know how
to follow God into new arenas oflife, in new places, new relationships.
We keep going back to the sameones. We end up dying.
With all the great things we got, we end up dying because we go

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back the same routes we came.This is the Jeff Brown showing Moga we
ve change moving. Hey, what'sup, y'all, It's the Jeff Brown

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Show with your girl couple Brown.We are back with the incomparable R and
D Legends Roughens and we've been havingthis really good conversation about I guess you
want to stay internet stalker, that'swhat you want to say? And my
boy, what was you about tosay? Baby? Were about to say?
Were talking about people? Uh,these crazy fans behind the social media

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so so so I just want totouch on something and kind of put a
warning out At the same time.We was having a conversation earlier about um
the state of creation as far asmusic, comedy, all of that kind
of stuff is a better or worseOkay, I've seen a post earlier,

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I've seen something about it kind ofsimilar to it before, but the one
that I saw today blew my mind. So basically because of AI, which
is starting to pop up everywhere.They have two AI platforms that you can
interact with each other. Right oneAUR platform, I could say, um,

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write me a song about a Sundayday. I can't hear you say
it again. No, I wasjust for the for the people in the
back that are too um school inreferences. AI is artificial intelligent, not
Alan Irison. Okay, there yougo that. You gotta say it.
You gotta say it so you canput you can put two artificial intelligence platforms

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together. One platform will write youthe song like they said, they said,
it's a it's a labeling in Chinathat has over like they said a
hundred and something songs charting right now. That was not wrong by a person,
none of it right. So onesite will say I say write me

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a song talking about a sunny daysounding like Usher. It'll write you the
song right. Then you go onanother AI platform, you get you gelt
perform the song sounding horrible. Everything. The platform will make you sound exactly
like Usher. Exactly. I'm talkingexactly. The guy did it. He

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did it with Kendrick. He wasdoing it with Kendrick. That's when I
saw. I saw that wasn't thatcrazy? I saw that video too.
I saw that. This is likethe beginning of Napster. This is the
beginning of Napster. I want youall to understand that he did a song
sounded like Yeah. I saw that. I showed I showed it his flavor,

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his essence, everything. So I'mgonna say this with what I'm saying,
we need to find a way asartists, as creators to copyright too
however you want to put it together. Said our image, our likeness,
our voice. We need to finda way because this is where things are

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headed to. This is where thingsare headed to, you know, That's
what That's what people like Riza Islamwas talking about, like, you know,
protect your likeness because pretty soon there'sgoing to be people that can take
your likeness but it's interesting. Youa scary part about that, far,
Jeff. But the scary part aboutthat is a lot of this technology is

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coming from China, who already don'trespect our copyrights or intellectual property. But
but you know, my buddy,my homeboy sends me a video of real
last night in um in my DM. He said, man, is this
you laughing? And it's a videoof a young lady saying she went to

(29:25):
hell because she married an old manfor his money after he died, so
and she and she died and wentto hell. But the laughter is exactly
my voice. And so when Iwent to check the uh where it originated
from, it's it's something. It'sit comes from China. I'm gonna send
it to you, Cocoa. I'mgonna send it to y'all. No,

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seriously, my people, and Isend it to several other people. They're
like, man, that's your voice. How they do that? I'm like,
I don't know, yes, yeah, this happened like last night.
Well so why are you talking aboutcrazy? This is I promise you it's
it's it was. It was like, I'm like, damn, that's we

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I was like, and I startedalive because I think I got a contagious
laugh. This is what's got mekind of freaked out right now. Y'all
heard those AT and T commercials,right, and a lot of people thought
that was me. A lot ofyou were hit me up thinking it was
my voice on as AT and Tcommercials. I like, yeah, I
said, I wish the guy itwas, but it's not. Where I

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know some pretty high up people invoice in the voice over world, don't
none of them know who this.And I was at a generated voice based
on my voice that resonates with peoplebecause I've been holding voice. When I
do voice or my voice resonates withpeople. So I wonder exactly because that
because when I talked to my voiceover people that are like up like Cree

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Summer, all of them that doHella boy, that know all the top
players in the game, none ofthem know this. None of them.
Damn. Yeah I was. Iwas like, wait, I was taken
back for like two minutes. I'mlike, damn, I'm not to play
it like I played it like fifteentimes. Just see, I'm damn,
that's it's me. It's the exactsame laugh the whole Now. I'm like,

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man, and I ain't tripping becauseI'm like I'm tripping, but I'm
not. I'm like, damn,I'm like, well, am I gonna
get some money for this? Howdo I check in? It? Is?
How do you find out? Howthey sample the voice? I mean
where? How do and And whenI looked at the profile where originated from?
It's like it's it's similar what you'retalking about, like the AI type

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situation because it's no like real personon it, but it's got people following
this particular page and they're using theaudio. They you had audio, so
now it's they catch our voices fromsocial media, from videos we paused,
all that kind of stuff. Wow, yeah, I knew. I'm like,

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that's my voice. I was like, going this virtual world? What
is it called? That? Everybody'sbuying properties in the virtual metaverse? The
metaverse, everybody's buying properties, they'recreating characters there by. Like something's going
on. I said, I've beengetting it to it because I'm like I
don't want to be left behind.Yeah, but something's going on when you

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have multi dns buying stuff exactly.Yeah. I just think that we're just
living in some man some unique anddifferent times, like when you think about
and then it goes back to itwith some about how do you protect you
your gift, how do you protectyour work, your your your how do

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you protect that knowing that there's advancedtechnology right now that's listening to your music,
listening you tell jokes code, Theylistening to our podcasts or radio show
and they can sample our voice orlaugh and and it's being played all over
the world and you don't even know, and we don't get ain't getting and

(33:12):
you ain't getting a dime from it. That's that's that's that's just that's just
weird, man, It's just crazy. So you know, I just think
that man, when we when welook at you know, the time that
we're living in, and you know, and like I say, we have
to figure out how we protect whatwe have because guess what a lot of

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people don't understand is, you know, and this is a deep conversation,
the artificial intelligence is being built toreplace human absolutely exactly nature. There's factories
that are building cars and not ahuman being is restaurants restaurants that restaurants.
Yeah, so and and this isthe thing why you know, why people

(33:59):
are kicking it. They live inlife these are some of the things that
people are not really talking about,you know, and and and and and
this thing is happening very rapidly though. It's not like, you know,
it's twenty or thirty years away.No, this is happening now. Like
this is happening and we're seeing iton the whole. You know, they

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got they got artificial intelligent robots thatstrippers now they I mean, they got
all ton of stuff. Only youwould know something like that, you know,
Instagram. How could you even knowthey are robots? You know?
But right when I because on Instagramcomes that though. Nasty, that's crazy,

(34:44):
that's crazy. Yeah, lets up. And I'm sure this is for
people, like for me, I'masking for me to more so me,
but a lot of people. Sohow does it work? Because right now,
you know, they can just takeyour stuff and I pay you.
But how does it work? Truly? How is it supposed to work?
If say I want to if I'mdoing a movie and I want to use

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one of y'all songs for my movie, how does that work? Do I
talk to y'all? Do I talkto it? You're probably like, who
do I like? How does thatwork? That comes through licensing, So
whoever owns the license and the masterrecording of that song, that's where you
in most cases, we know,back in the day where the labels owned
the masters. But now a lotof artists now are getting their masters back.

(35:28):
So so without new stuff, ofcourse, we you know, we
got all all new stuff, butwith bold stuff, we are we're bought
like maybe two shot, two yearsshot from you know, getting our masters
back. But we are going tobe doing some rerecords so because you know,
we can still do no more andit sounds just like no more,

(35:50):
we just gotta reproduce it exactly thesame way. Now instead of them paying
Sony fifty thousand dollars, they don'tpay me thirty five and you know what
I mean, I give them alittle break. And now I mean now
I can own the masters, youknow what I mean, from rerecording it.
So that's what we're gonna do.With a lot done that. A
lot of especially a lot of whitebands, they've a lot of them was
doing that, you know, likethe Journey of Old Bands. Yeah,

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you know they were doing that,and so now a lot of black artists
are doing it as well. Imean, you owe the power like that,
though you owe the power with yourown masters, though I mean it's
yours, it's your work, butyou have to back now, pay for
pay for the studio. Time ownsthe masters basically, and most back those

(36:36):
times, studios were like you know, Tony, you got all these you
know, half a million dollars recordingboards, not hit factory, the hit
factory, all of them joints.Yeah wow. So in other words,
all that, so all the workyou put in the studio because Stony might
have been fronting the studio time andthe studio expenses a part of your cup.

(36:57):
Yeah, and they produced a part. Okay, all of that,
you know what I mean, allof them. You had to wait almost
twenty twenty five years of own yourown masters. Exactly. You gotta wait,
you gotta wa es. Basically,he's basically a lifetown to get it,
you know what I mean. Soa lot of artists fow and stuff,
now you know what I mean?Um wow wow. Think about a

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biggie, Think about a biggie andthe tupoc who died when it was twenty
five. So now that they've beengone this long, who own who would
own their masters? Whoever was leftwhoever their estate was left to right hopefully
there and after the label, Alot of these people like you know where

(37:43):
we go, where we come from. You my mother ain't know nothing,
you know what I mean. Myfamily they ain't gonna know what to do,
you know what I mean. Sounless you hit to the game or
got somebody that's reaching out to yourfamily, if you die, they the
label still got that, you knowwhat I mean. And that's what a
lot of black artists they're not tryingto reach out neither. And they and

(38:05):
ain't gonna call, yo, wegot money for you left to the estate
and say y'all need to claim thisor it goes to the goes to the
to the state. They don't needto call. Let you know, that's
for New York. That's for NewYork doing now, that's for New York.
Millions of dollars. You got millionsof dollars sitting in somebody's a state
and it's unclaimed. Is that whaty'all saying? Once told and that that's
their money. Yeah, they're notgonna tell you. They're not gonna tell

(38:29):
you what happening out like huh like, especially like if it's like it's profil
like if an artist say we're anartist and we we we're not God said,
we're not hearing on what more andit's left to our state whatever that
is. That's that they're not gonnasend any letters saying and they're not gonna
reach out. You have to downbe aggressively reach out to them and say,

(38:52):
you know, they would boom becauseit's been you know, Sonny,
Sony doesn't Sonny don't emerge now itwas some BMG. It's you know,
it doesn't change hands. So manytimes they can emerge and takeovers and all
kinds of stuff with their infrastructure.So it's like, um, you know
archiuses that we were trying to reachthem to get all of our videos and

(39:13):
we were on Jenny Jones and CNNand MTV. We can't we can't even
find that stuff no more. Theylike, well, we sent it out
to La branch and call. Theydon't have it nailed. It's crazy.
Right now, we were trying,we're trying to waiting on for somebody right
now. But since the Internet hasbeen out, you know, Spotify and

(39:34):
all of that, we haven't gottenany money. So wow, it uh,
you know, we you know,try and work that thing out right
now, but forever to get backto you. You know what it is.
So let me say this, uhbecause you all you know, I
kind of want to pivot too,because as we're talking about this, you'll
have a new hits all out.I'm single, indeed, let's talk about

(39:59):
that. Congratulations. So so aswriters, especially in this day and age
twenty twenty three. Um, Imean, I can say I feel like
it, but I'm gonna say Ifeel like I know for sure the music
affects us positively negatively. We alwayssay, ain't nobody listening to someone to

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love you while they're going to stickup somebody? Why they're gonna rib somebody
if you walk you know what Imean. They're playing I'm a Rider or
something crazy, you know what Imean. So it's like it's like so
even ticket far in our room,even if even if the ticket and out
room it's R and B same thing. It's words. It's words. It's

(40:46):
words that promote feelings and people feelings. Like my brother always say, feelings
lead to actions. You feel whatI'm saying. So it's like it's like
our brother vunt our brother vank gota song, our brother music Our brother
Vank got a song, did youknow? It's a famous song where he's

(41:07):
talking about the girl key in hiscar and doing all that jas Mssaloman got
the song I'll bust the windows outyour car. And don't get me wrong,
any one of these people probably cansing Mary had a little lamb and
make it sound good. Let's bereal, like Jamie Fox said, but

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when you make something sound good andyou're saying something, people listen to it
quicker. It's like saying ABC DE F G versus A B C D.
It's like your brain takes a holdof that quicker. So I'm saying
that to say this our congratulationists.Our song congratulations is a separation song and

(41:49):
not really what we normally call abreakup song. Breakups are usually nasty.
I hate you. You're a lowdown, dirty you old stinky foot,
your funking OK, you don't jubilee, you, your mama, your daddy
used to work downtown at the likeyou feel me. You ain't nothing you

(42:15):
ain't about to see but but butthe actuality, actuality. Most of these
situations are really good people that wasn'tgood for each other. Two people that
had all the great intentions when y'allmet, but things didn't go the way
y'all playing. It's just out ofemotion. Most of us we express ourselves

(42:37):
and them in the ways, especiallywhen we hurt. Oh Mama, you
you you dirty. But at thesame time, where's the music for the
people that realize this? And Uare enlightening, intelligent, enuff. I
don't really hate this girl. Idon't really hate this dude. It just
didn't work out how I thought itwas. They wasn't I thought they was.

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I can't hold it against them,you know what I'm saying. We
ain't gonna work so, so congratulationsnot the I would know I went off,
But congratulations is setting the four groundfor those kind of people, those
kind of grown folks. I getrealize, Listen, we ain't good for

(43:22):
each other. The more relationship isright now, it's celebrated, you know
what I mean, Like it's thisfree blue face. I'm like, really,
so we just celebrating Icotina like this. Oh, it's a culture thing.
It's culture. This is the culturewe live. It's like, I'm

(43:45):
fifty years old, I'm gonna keepit one hundred. I want to hear
about what y'all singing about no agree, I agree. I'm loving what they
say. I'm saying this changes theculture. This, this goes into this
is opposite of what we been seeingin the culture that, as you say
to uh, Coco is toxic.You know, yeah, the culture is
chalk. Relationships now are toxic.And you cheat on me, I cheat

(44:08):
on you. We fight on Instagram, we cuss each other out, we
unfollow each other, we block eachother. We get back together. You
hit me, you choke me,I hit you, you choke me,
I run you over with our car. We get back together. So I
apologize, so apologize, apologize forus. It's like turning back the hands

(44:30):
of time. Like as far asrap, think about when Daylight Soul came
out, how many songs was justabout life, like like uh, tennessee
lord them down and out. Wait, No, I'm black and proud,

(44:52):
like you know what I mean?Like like because that songs went away,
all them songs went away, andanything that you got the reference, even
the nicest of the songs that yougot the reference. At some point it
goes off to the left, bustedopen for a real like you were talking
about dinner in a movie and thisnow you're talking about busting it open,

(45:15):
like you can't just see on thatcourse and keep the vision. You know
what I'm saying. People got aboutthe apple, what's like? You know
you've got true artists. I knowy'all know algebra and you know that's my
girl. You know what I'm saying. And we have had so many deep
conversations about wanting to be uh committedto our artist, but the industry telling

(45:39):
us that's not what we want.We don't want the artistry, we want
some tits and ass. I wantyour perspective on that day. I mean
you right, bro, I mean, oh yeah, I don't even know
what to say this boy. Thatlast thing she said a whole out like

(46:01):
yeah, yeah, I wouldn't evenlooking from the outside, I wouldn't think
that that's what it's going on.But it's crazy to hear you say that,
And that's what's messing be up rightnow. I'm like, wow,
yeah, you guys are you knowif you guys are, you know,
we're coming from a woman's perspective.It's a lot of different than you guys.
You guys can actually still rely onyour talent a little bit, but

(46:22):
we're in a time now that evenit's trickled over to comedy of all places
that you know, unless I'm alesbian, I can't go on stage and
squat stage and not have my tittiesout. I can't go on stage and
not be sexy. And you know, I gotta tell these jokes and make
you want to screw me at thesame time. You know. But a

(46:43):
guy can go on stage a lookcrazy is anything, and walk out with
the baddest chicken the club, andthat's what they want. But for women
have to like almost like put oursouls on the line and our talent is
just And then when you see peoplewith stupid crazy talent and they out there
naked, but like who we're midbe out here to they set in the
bar. But what you one thingI did want to say is that realizing

(47:07):
how important music is. Music isone of the biggest things that helped create
the culture. Let's think about everyregion of music. When we think about
back in the day in the eightiesand the nineties, and we thought we
saw a person that listened to likeJourney or like Kiss, we dressed when
we saw that listen to like yousaid, heavy d and whatever the hip

(47:30):
hop. YEA creates the culture andhow we beat you know, how we
are you know what I mean.That's why we as a as a brand,
we can't promote anything after everything that'shappened to you know, Freddie Gray
and all of these these fallen people, you know, brothers and sisters,

(47:53):
viols that has lost their life too. So I got these retainers in and
this having me to talk a littlecrazy right now. First real fix it's
good, brother, I am herefor it. Don't do a show.
Do a song called no more MissingSide T? Please no more? So

(48:14):
fix no more. It's no moremissing side T. Please thank you?
Sing back up. I will singback up. Give me it, take
it and let me tell you howmuch the dude that could do that with
the least for some ds. That'swhere it stopped. That's it. I

(48:36):
love yeah culture and like so it'simportant, I guess what Dante was saying.
It's important that we I feel responsible, that we say the right things
because our kids are listening and saidwhat our minds don't know. The subconscious

(48:57):
mind is very powerful and it's thevery thing that's cheating you out of your
dreams right now. It is thethings that have you. Every time you
go to Jemmy said, you're gonnamake up your mind. That sub conscious
mind is very powerful. So whateverwe put in these songs, it is
resonating with the next generation's res resonatingwith the listeners, and um very important
and what's going on in the stateof what's going on right now in the

(49:21):
music industry, it's because I feellike, not because only but a big
part of it is influence, andmusic is influenced. Hey, yeah,
ask you this. This is thequestion that I've heard. It's up for
state. I've heard it one showsand especially artists of a genre. Do

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you think R and B true?Again? Do you think true R and
B is dying? Being this upfor debate? I saw I can't get
into a debate about it. I'veseen a tyres has had to debate about
it, Like, do y'all believethrough R and B? I guess is

(50:05):
what definition of is? You know? What right? Right? I show
R and B artists if I wasto from the outside, and you know
every song you put out it isnot about trying to screw me. I'm
in here swooning hoping to feel thatway about a guy you know, put
it this way, can me Rand B makes me either want to fall
in love, stay in love,make love, or fight for love?

(50:29):
Exactly? Love was the basis ofit, exactly. But I see what
you're saying, and like a lotof what hip hop back in the day,
I remember stations. I don't knowif y'all remember when you listen to
the radio station. You used tosay R and B and hip hop?
Now hip hop and R and B. You know what I mean? What's

(50:50):
going on? Yeah, it's yeah, it's definitely been a change. Well,
you know, hip hop again,This is what I'm saying about culture.
We all know the hip hop callnot this is not knocking anybody,
but the hip hop culture they promote, you know, it's not They're not
loyal. Most of it is notloyalty. It's about running through broads.
It's about bees holes, you knowwhat I mean. It's a lot of

(51:13):
these killers. And we've heard itand it's a few that it's been you
know, you know, you knowcommon, But the majority is what it's
gonna be, you know what Imean. So if that's the majority,
that that's the influence. Now youbring that to R and B. Now,
R and B Pats and even wefeel like that. It's like if
we'll have a rapper, we feellike we ain't got no racket. We're
trying to get rappers on our songsso we can go somewhere because that's what

(51:36):
the whole industry, that's where everybody'sdoing, and hip hop is just now.
It's like you said, it's thed number one thing in music.
It's the number one the show,Jeff, Because I got so many more
questions, but I know we listen. I know we get a part two
with rough fands. Yeah, wedo. We definitely need a part two
with rough fans. And you know, I always say this, all good

(52:00):
things must come to it for Iwant to think David Dante for stopping by
and the legendary ref is and I'malways in the show like this with the
famous question what did you learn?And so let me start off with our
guests. What did y'all learn today? Being on the Jeff Brown and Coco

(52:21):
Show today? What did y'all learn? Um? We need to talk more.
Yeah, one of the things Ilearned we need more dialogue. We
need healthy dialogue with like minded people, with open minded people, even if
we're not like minded. Just beopen enough for me to hear your side
and me to hear your side.Like to me, that's that's what I

(52:43):
believe is the base of real growthbetween our people, like you know,
no matter how radical and different fromyour ideas from mine, going to say
it, and I'm gonna say whatI gotta say and in the middle will
we meet at I feel like it'sgrowth, you know, I mean,
not you feeling some kind of wayof acting out. We did too many
years of acting out. The wholehood is about acting out. The whole

(53:06):
hood is filled up with unstable emotionalpeople. That's what the hood is that
don't know how to express themselves.For flight, They can't express their self.
So us talking and communicating is whatwe need a lot more of it,
Like for real, Yeah, whatwhat what did you? What did
you know today? Day? Thath that all people are great and just

(53:32):
listening to everybody on this line andlistening to the amazing uh thoughts and you
guys sharing even in a funny waytoo. That's what's amazing about it.
Were having a deep conversation, butit's a lot of laughter, but it's
also a lot of seriousness and usa lot of growth and the the I

(53:55):
guess the love. I think loveis behind on every conversation. You know,
everybody's input, you know what Imean. And I'm more and more
just falling in love with my people. Man, So I love my people.
Love y'all. Appreciate you, brother, Coco. What did you learn
today? For you guys are veryso I just want to thank you again

(54:20):
for this platform, Coco and mybrother Jeff. Platforms do a lot for
brands like us, man and keepus alive. So we love y'all.
Thank you, and I'm gonna bringy'all over the mind too, so don't
y'all. Yeah, yeah, definitely. What did you learn today? I
just learned that I already loved andrespected you know, David and g and
Rough fans, but I just loveand respect y'all so much because y'all are

(54:43):
two incredible, intelligent brothers that havea lot to say. Earned so much
today from you guys about the musicin country, and I realized I've always
realized, you know, known thatmusic and Imbody entertainment crew. We're all
one big family. So thank youguys for sharing your jewels. Thank you
for being present and being you knowtransparent, you guys so much and we

(55:05):
will be doing this. What didyou learn today? The hat so you
know, usually this is the partof the segment where I harass you for
something crazy that you said during theshow. But I'm not gonna do that
this least, because that was itwas an amazing conversation. Uh, thank
you again to rough Fends for beingon the show. Um. We talked

(55:29):
about two very important things that Uh, this is a conversation that we need
to be having. We're all partof the culture, so this is these
are conversations that we need to behaving in the culture. Amen. And
you know what I learned today isDarvo will be trying out for American Idol
and he will be singing rough Fandshit someone to Love listen with that said,

(55:51):
makes you guys go subscribe right now. I hear radio File podcast where
we can favorite God love me,I'm love you, No loves you,
rough is love your love. Weall love you, God bless you.
Whiskey also was baby, I'm congratulatingbaby, all love is fading jealous and

(56:17):
we didn't make it. We bothagreed just to walk away. There was
too much confrontation. Loly knife.Too much argument. Now I'm found all
right, a woman and you feelmarried man. It was ug with nothing.
This was fun. This has beena presentation of the FCB podcast Network,

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