Ep. 207 - Guest: Tressa Smallwood (Film Director and TV Producer)

Guest: Tressa Smallwood (Film Director and TV Producer)

Episode Transcript

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This is the FCB Podcast Network.Oh, welcome to John Frown. What's

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going on, everybody? What's up? What's up? And we are back
from an extended holiday vacation Labor Dayweekend that honors all the hustlers, all
those that grind and put in thetime. We're back, and you know,
I'm the host with the most JeffBrown, and you know I got
the introduced show, I got thelovely side of the show always with me.
I call her the Smile none otherthan girl Coco Brown, Coca Brown.

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I can't call it. I gottacall it Coca because because we know,
we know Coco is a stripper.Coco Brown is a stripper. Not
Coco Coco Brown is a porn star, honey. Okay, but oh oh
well, oh she's elevated, right, she's a porn star. Right,
Yeah, I haven't seen none ofher work. I probably need to go

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download some of her work and seeif she's so funny Coca. How was
your your vacation you extended Labor Dayweekend? You know it started off Greade,
I was in Tampa at the improvyou know, incredible sold our shows,

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so much fun. And then onthe station. Yeah, and then
I have to come home. Andwe were doing in a state sale,
telling our parents and our childhood home, which sucks, but what my mother
wanted it was in the wheel.So yeah, we're getting So we had
to do it a state sale thisweekend. And I'm gonna tell you,
honey, I love my people,but we some cheap mofos. Okay,

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Like the white folk came in andsaw what the price was and was like
cool, paid for it. Herecome to black folk. Well, I'm
saying, I ain't come with thatmuch money. And then you're going there
insult me something For five hundred dollars, you're gonna say when I got fifty,
are you footless? Are you hot? They wanted to put it on
a Leilway. I there's a threethousand dollars bedroom suit and I'm trying to

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get rid of for five hundred dollars. You're gonna offer me thirty dollars if
you don't get your crack head tailout my face. Hey, they wanted
to put it. They wanted toput it on on Coco's Leilway. Obviously
brother, obviously putting that temp ofsity. I'm trying to give me fifty
dollars for a three thousand dollars youdon't get out my face? Oh my
god. You know that is agood question, you know, and I

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think we you the top of thatquestion because you know, I got I
got another question I gotta tackle,and I got two beautiful ladies on with
me today, So I'm gonna startup some controversy today. I'm on some
trash a little bit today as well. But before yeah, I'm also trash
today. But fix you out outto our partner and crime of the hat,
uh Deacon do Dirty Reverend Rong,but were calling uh the CEO,

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the king pinning himself Derby who he'sout in about today, And so I'm
doing his job engineering, stopping runningthe show, time clock, timekeeper and
all that good stuff. So yeah, I'm on double duty. But I
wanted to get into Agettable have footageevery vible right right right, that's funny

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to be vible, yeah right,right right. I want to get into
our guests. I want to introduceour lovely guest today, none other than
truss Us Smallwood, film director andTV product a TV producer. I'm sorry
about to take TV production, butshe does do TV production, but she's
a TV producer. Beautiful smile aswell, just came on with all his

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lovely energy. First out, howwere you doing? How was y'all holiday?
And what did you get into?What's up? Yes, listen,
holiday was good for me because I'vebeen in Miami celebrating my twenty seventh wedding
anniversary. Seven. Now, areyou are you married to a black man?

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I'm married to a black man.Black love matters. You know,
you have to ask that question now, Black love matters. Wow, So
that's dope. So did any so? So, so, who did anybody
barbecue for your anniversary? Did y'allhave like a did y'all have an extravagant
wedding anniversary? Or was it morelike intimate like I'm at home chilling type?

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You know? So, you knowwhat. Unfortunately, the life of
a producer, you're always working.So I was on a distribution panel at
a film festival here in Miami onSaturday, so, you know, we
kind of just hung out. Wewe actually went on a yacht took some
of our friends. Yeah, soyou got a kind of multitask when you're

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in my world, and it makesit now. But my husband, he
understands the assignment. He's an entrepreneuras well, so sometimes he's on the
chopping block. Sometimes I am,and we just gotta make it work.
I like the chopping block conversation.Yeah, yeah, yeah, I put
a lot of I put a lotof my my lady friends on the chopping
block. Yeah, stay on there, Yeah yeah, I like it.

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So you know, how was thethe uh the writers an after strike?
Has that affected you? Have you? Have you been affected in any chaldaw?
I mean Paul has this because thishas been very intense. Oh for
sure, for sure. I'll startwith this just some background info so that
you can see how it's affected me. I started out as a writer before

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I started producing movies. I wrotesix novels myself, started producing other authors,
and built this amazing empire for abook publishing company which is called Life
Changing Books. In twenty fourteen,a bunch of network execs and producers production
companies started coming at me trying tobuy the rights to those projects so that

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they could go and produce the movies. And that's when I said, you
know what, I gotta learn thisbecause you know, as a writer,
I now need to learn production andbecome a producer. Most people didn't think
I could do it, but didit really successfully, and so started into
that world wanting to take the onehundred and sixty two plus books and turn

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some of those into movies. Soobviously with doing that, I had to
learn, you know, how towrite screenplays, which pretty much put me
into this world that we're talking aboutnow. Why writers are striking because they
don't really obviously get to earn theydon't they don't get to participate. When
movies do really really well or TVseries do really really well, the participation

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is lacking, which is why it'sstrike. So for me, I support
you know, WGA writers. Isupport the actors. There's a lot of
them. Again, as we weretalking about, before I hire them,
they they become my friends. SoI'm totally supporting that. The other side
is that I am an independent producer, and so being an independent producer,

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you're not caught up in the worldof Hollywood because Hollywood never really gives us
a chance anyway, right, wehave to make our own way. So,
you know, out of respect forthe strike, we do not we're
not we're not filming right now.But it doesn't mean I can't because obviously
I'm independent, so you know,we kind of we kind of make our

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own rules in the independent world.So it has affected me because I stand
with them, hoping that there issome type of fair resolution so that everybody
can get what they deserve. Rightnow, I'm really doing a lot of
promoting of my independent films, whichI have direct distribution, which sets me

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apart anyway, right, So Ispent a lot of time from and teaching.
Now I'm big on teaching the industryhow to how to set themselves up
for success so that you are notheld by anybody's, you know, unfair
ways of doing business. In orderto to do something different, you gotta
learn a little bit more. Yougotta be knowledgeable about how to not be

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in this position where you're kind ofjust waiting for them to change the rules.
Well, listen, I think that'sa I think that's a phenomenal explanation
of what or some nation I shouldsay of what's happening, because we ask
the consumers and those that are watching. You know, we just see entertainment,

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but we don't see what you know, is going on behind the scenes.
We don't see the contract negotiations andhow that far Gouy. Sometimes two
sides are far apart. We don'tsee the work that you all are putting
in. You know, you knowCoco my co host, but you know,
I love her and I respect herbecause I know, you know,
personally, she's a single mom.She's doing this, she's running the house

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of she got multiple businesses. Butthen you know, I understand that she's
also an actress, she's an author, she does all that stuff, and
I know that's affecting her, youknow what I'm saying. So it is
and I see behind the scenes whatmost people don't get a chance to see.
So it's like wow, you know, uh, you know, these
are real people who who's working intheir purpose in their career, and yet

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they are facing these challenges and you'retalking about something that hasn't happened since the
nineteen sixties. I'm thinking, Ibelieve yeah, well, yeah, no,
it should have happened a long timeago. I think it just came
to a head and now you know, it's starting to happen because I think
people are waking up. They're like, wait a minute. If we don't
stop now and fight for what's right, when will we right? Absolutely right?

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Well, listen. I'm gonna takea break real quick. We'll be
back. Trust you're gonna hang outwith us a little bit longer. Absolutely.
I love y'all. Y'all started outwith prayer and then you flipt it
on. Don't go strip, Imean I like y'all. Well, listen,
don't go nowhere. We'll be rightback. I'm asking everybody makes you
guys right now, go subscribe oniHeart Radio, spial Fire, Apple Podcast

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where if you listen to your podcastson your favorite listening device. We'll be
right back with more up The JeffBrown Show with Coco Brown. We'll be
right back. This is the JeffBrown Show. And we're back, and
we're back sitting here with film directin TV producer, my home girl.

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Trust a small would now Trusting you'regonna be stopping by Cleveland. You'll be
in my city, uh next week, uh Greater Cleveland Urban Film Festival.
You're gonna be adding some great valuethere, workshop seminars, talking and panel
discussions, you know, just talkingabout the industry and let's talk about that.

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So what are you going to particularlybe focusing on when you come in
town. I'm gonna be talking aboutdistribution, which is where the real money
resides. Right As a filmmaker,you know, people they love to say,
oh, I have this idea,I want to go shoot this movie,
and it's like all the excitement isthere, you get your talent,

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you go shoot the movie. Butthen it's like then what we you know,
just the just sit in your inbox? Does it sit on the horror
drive? So I really talk aboutwhy distributions should be thought about in the
very beginning. I'm gonna drop nuggetsabout how to make sure you can get
the right funding so that your distributionpipeline is set up. I'm gonna talk

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about, you know, just meas a black woman actually having a distribution
of pipeline and having access to alot of networks, streamers, etc.
You know. So it's gonna befun but knowledgeable. Okay, so talk
about distribution. Uh And you know, and Coco, I want you to
weigh in on this too, becauseI know you all are in this in
this industry. Cuff talk about distributionbecause distribution is so broad. You know,

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when you talk about you know,you know people thinking that, you
know, I got a distribution deal, but what does that really look like?
What is a successful distribution deal,look like, because anybody can get
a distribution deal, right, Butis it does it make sense? Is
it creating wealth? Is it reallyhelping get the product out there? So

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I mean, can y'all touch onthat a little bit? Yeah, I
mean, and that's such a goodthing to talk about, because you you
know, people love to say,oh, I have this kind of deal,
I gotta I gotta first look deal, I got a distribution deal.
Well, first of all, ifyou don't you don't have product, then
what are you distributing? Right?Doesn't go anywhere right. So for me,

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for example, before I land atmy very first distribution deal, I
made the product and I learned thehard way that people will jerk you around.
They'll promise you things that will neverhappen. They'll tell you they gonna
get you a certain amount of dollars, and it by the time you get
the contract, it's alive. SoI was like, oh, I need

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to I need to learn this.I need to bet on myself. And
so I ended up get having arelationship with a BT where they were taking
a lot of my projects where therewas no middleman, you know, contracts,
it's just me in them. Whereyou already can see the fine print.
And I got excited about it,and I said, Okay, I

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need to I need to duplicate thiswith some other entities. And so I
did one of the distribution deals thatI currently had that I'm really proud of
because I feel like it's it's helpinga lot of filmmakers. Is I have
a TV distribution deal, which meansthat if you and Coco today did a
movie together and it's complete, Iliterally can give you distributions straight to TV

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where there's no middleman. You know, we can make sure you get your
money on time because you know,it's black people. We want our money
to come on time. We don'twant any any stuff, right, And
so it's it's put me in areally good position because we've helped over forty
film different filmmakers get distribution without havingtoo big right and honestly, just through

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that pipeline. We obviously have itwith other platforms as well. But I
say to be be because that's theone platform right now that seems to be
growing a lot because it's owned byFox and so they obviously have access to
marketability and so everybody, oh,you know, and people make jokes about
to me all the time, becausethere are some on there that are pretty

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bad, but a large majority ofthose are great. It's just that,
of course, we know how societyis, they talk about the bad ones.
Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I think to Be I
think they got close to if I'mnot mistaken, I think sixty uh what

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over sixty uh? I don't wantto say sixty billion subscribers. I think
it's sixty billion. It's I thinkI think the last I think the last
stat it was like sixty billion subscribers, and they said that it was the
fastest growing platform during the pandemic becausea people were, you know, at

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home, and it's been growing eversince. So the fact that you are
able to walk someone's project into twobe, if it makes sense, you
know, that is powerful like that, don't I go ahead? Coco,
I don't know if he has somethingto add to that. I'm sorry,
No, I was just saying,she's absolutely right. You know, I've

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watched to Be. Now, Iam guilty. I have definitely posted some
clips of movies that were questionable.But I'm a comedian. It's the necessary
evil of my business. But butI've also come across some really great films
and I've done I mean, myfirst movie that I executive produced ever is
on to be right now, Afamily. Thanksgiven. Yes, I just

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promoted that because it was independent,Thank you. But I just, you
know, I can promote that.I just came from the network stuff.
I'm all but you know, Ijust feel like, you know, I
just love the fact that two Behas given the into pendent filmmaker such a
platform. And whether you're a novice, whether you're an amateur, whether you

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are a skilled well known director,as a person of color, you have
a platform now to get your storiesout there. There's no more gatekeepers in
a sense of you having to gothrough this person that doesn't understand what you're
talking about, doesn't understand your story. You can we can get our stories
out there now so much easier.Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited.

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And I mean, there are alot of networks that I have relationships with
right now, and they understand.You know, I have a lot of
executives that are like, okay,well, like we love what you're doing.
You're giving writers opportunities, you know, you're given first time producers opportunities.
I mean, we have really helpeda lot of people, and so

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I'm I'm excited about that. Iused to be a school teacher, so
aside from producing comed Yeah, youknow how it is, Coco. My
love for teaching and opens at thecenter of everything. So yes, it's
fine. I'm proud that I canmake a movie, but I'm even more
excited about the fact of helping somebodyelse, you know, not make the

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same mistakes that I had to makewhen I started. Wow when your class
is because I need to take yourclass because my first TP gig, I
lost my edges and I don't wantthat to happen again. I remember a
lesson Coco. I remember saying,Lord, now you're telling me to do
this. Now, I know youain't gonna let me fail out here because

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this was it was crazy. Itwas just a world that I didn't understand.
You know, the Hollywood industry isnot for the faint at heart,
period. And you know, it'skind of interesting y'all talking about this because
Coco, you know this, andI've and I've shared it, you know,
on my various platforms. So Ishot a pilot for a TV talk
show in December, and and sothank you on that. And I'm working

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with Howard Clay Films, who's alsoa black independent film company, and I
definitely want to connect you and himas well. I'm learning the process of
waiting. I'm learning about, youknow, just the different aggregators and all

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these different people that are involved andhow they want this and how they want
that. And and I'm excited becauseI'm learning that when these people call,
they have something lined up or theybelieve in your product. So we've gotten
some calls here recently. And andand I'll share what you all you know

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on break you know what that lookslike. I can't really come out and
talk about it now on air,but I'm understand. I'm learning this process.
So, like I said, I'ma rookie. I'm like a newborn
in it. You know. Ijust know talk radio podcast and our host
Vince. I'm a public speaker,but this TV, this is a whole

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different type of animals. Listen,I take my hat and my glasses off
to you ladies and all the peoplethat are that are in that industry.
This is not you know, it'snot for the fading heart. So because
it's a it's a fifty fifty chancethat the product that you put your heart

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into may not be for network.It may not be for it to be
they may not pick it up.So and you just you guys, gotta
roll with it. But you goback to the drawing board and get something
together that makes sense. So I'mlearning that right now that you have to
be pacing and and work and workand continue to work and continue to do

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things that you gotta do. Soyou know, I'm loving this whole conversation.
Listen, we're gonna take another break. We'll be right back for my
girl. Trust us, she's droppingsome ajor gems. She trying to put
you'all own game. So y'all betterget y'all movies together and so y'all can
get him over the twov with mygirl. So listen, we'll be right
back with more of the Jeff BrownShow. This is the Jeff's Brown Show.

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Back back, Listen, we goget into some of our topics,
but I also want to make surethat we get opportunity to promote my friend
tress us new movie coming out,talking about First Lady, the First Lady,
the First Lady of BMF. Outof here. I gotta go to
the bank. I gotta go tothe good Wheel. I got a gang
of stuff, some dream move thisstuf your way. How are you doing?

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Oh cool? You cool? What'sup? We're back on my bad?
Yeah we are. All we heardwas good will. I'm sorry,
honey. When you look, We'lldo a whole episode on how you people
need to understand that your parents aregonna get gonna die one day and you
better be prepared to handle their estate. That's all I'm saying. We need

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to do a whole show on that. Okay, well, now we'll do
it. Look, get it done. Uh So, like I said,
let's talk about the first lady atBMF. Uh to Nissa Welch the story.
You know that I believe La Laplays that role, right am I
am? I present? Yeah,La plays that one. Talk about that.

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Yeah, so you know, I'mreally grateful that I got the call
to uh produce Tanisa Welch's story.Tanissa Welch is well well known in the
Detroit arena. She you know,everybody knows about Meach and Terry Flannery.
You know, the leaders of BMFwho you know were sentenced, you know,

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for so many years for running thatorganization. BMF and so Tanisa.
If anybody doesn't know anything about Sanisa, I would definitely say go and at
least watch on v ET plus theepisode that she has on American Trap Queens.
That's how I first watched it andfound out about her, and I

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realized that she was the female whoreally taught them about the drug game.
And so a lot of people areout there, you know, saying,
oh, you know, she wasjust this female you know, doing no
no no. Her man Terry,who was Meeta's brother, says it himself

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on this episode on American Trap Queensthat she did teach him everything that he
knew, and then of course theirrelationship started growing when he wanted his woman
to get out of the business andso that he could you know, take
over pretty much. So you know, you don't hear from me, go
watch it for yourself. You know, at the Cleveland Film Festival, we

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are going to do a first lookscreening there, so it'll be the first
time anybody sees the real story ofTanisa Welch, not anything that it's fictionalized.
You know. First of all,just to be clear, I love
watching being Met on Stars, butI also I come from the world of

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writing, and I know that ithas to be fictionalized, and so I
think for Tanisa sometimes when she watchesit, you know, she gets in
her feelings because you know, itchanges the narrative and it's not necessarily true
as it comes as it relates toher. La La plays Tanisa on the
show, does a phenomenal job.Again, I like it. It's just

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that our version is Tanisa's true story. It is a biopic. Yeah,
yeah, I always wonder what howyou know those that are alive, like
when you talk about documentaries or biopics, how do they interpret those those movies
of someone portraying them if if thetruth or the story is not accurate or

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it's not aligned with I always wonder, how how does that, you know,
go well with them or go youknow, go over with them.
And you're saying that, no toyour knowledge that even though it's a great
show, it really doesn't tell thereal story of Tania. Yeah, I
can only speak on Tenisa because Idon't know, you know, Meetch and

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Terry's true story. What I doknow is and in TV you have to
embellish, you have to change thenarrative a little bit. So most times
everything is not one true. That'sjust how it goes. I don't care
whose project it is. And Ithink that for Tenisa, she's just excited
because she gets her chance to tellher story period. And you know,

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there will be some people who watchit and they'll say, oh, well,
I didn't think that that was truebecause I watched BMF on Stars and
you know that everybody's gonna have somethingto say. But the reality is it's
Tenisa's story. She knows what sheknows, what happened in her life,
and so that's the story that we'regonna tell. And it airs on b
ET Plus in October and again youknow Cleveland Film Festival. Yeah, I'm

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gonna be the first to get tosee it. I'm definitely gonna beat the
Film Festival making Uh. I'll bemaking some appearances there and just coming through
and supporting Donna dabb And and andwhat the work she's doing over there,
the work she's doing over there andand just you know, continuing that movement.
So I'll be there, so hopefullyi'll see you in person, connect

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with you there. Yeah, it'sgoing down. Well, listen, I
want to kind of uh lighten uplighting the lighting up the load here.
I want to get into some hottopics. So I to Cocoa. You
there, Coco still, she's stillat the state. So I'm gonna talk
to you. Then you'll you'll,you'll be talk. So Kanye West and

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his wife have been banned uh fromthe water boat ride in Italy Venice for
what they call is uh I've seennature. I guess she was performing a

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oral sexual pleasure to Kanye and itdidn't go over well. It went viral.
And the thing is, I've beenwatching this evolvement of Kanye. I
don't know what God is doing inhis life. That ain't my business.

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But I don't think I have aproblem with him being banned for that if
that's your wife, right right right. But I but I understand that,
you know, I don't know forme, I get it. You know,
he's in this space just to differentto VV. You know, this

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guy that wants to, you know, say hey, this is my life.
I'm hold I'm not holding back whoI am. I get it.
I mean, I mean, whatdo you think about that as a married
you know you're married. I meanthat is I mean, do you think
that's a line that you or yourhusband would cross. I mean, I
mean, I'm just saying it's kindof interesting. Yeah, I think one

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thing, we're talking about Kanye,right, and so to me, it's
not even a big deal because it'sKanye. I mean, he does all
kinds of things, right, Sohow is this any different? You know?
So when it comes to Kanye,there's anything that he does, okay,
whether it's with his wife, withhis rants, I mean, his

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preaching, his shows, everything.Now, if this was anybody else,
be first of all, if itwas anybody else, I don't even think
it would have gone viral. Idon't even think they would have been banned.
I think they're banned because it's Kanye. You know what. I agree
with you on that because I wasthinking the same thing, because you're not

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gonna tell me that Kanye and hiswife is the only people that have done
that. No, no, no, no, no, no out there.
So I don't. I don't.I don't, I don't, I
don't, I don't. I don'tthink that. Uh. But you know,
I'm always looking for the next bigstory with Kanye and the next controversial
moment, uh with Kanye. Yeah, yeah, Koko, we was weighing

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in on that Kanye piece. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was listening.
I was listening. You know.It stripped me out because for country
that's so free, there's topless beachesand nude beaches everywhere. I'm just,
how are you going to ban himfor him and his wife having an intimate
moment and what they thought was privacyin the middle of the ocean. Yeah,
yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. We're first of all, the

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real MVP is who got the shot, you know, proper Rocksey be everywhere.
That's why I'm so grateful. Itell people all the time, I
am famous enough. I do notwant all that extra fame that comes with
that. When you get to acertain level, I can still go to.
I don't need them problems. Andyou know, Papa Rosy was probably

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out there doing the backstroke catching andthat's real talk. That's real talking.
Like I just feel like, youknow, you know, like you know,
like Trust said, that's still thesame way. I'm like, how
are you gonna beardness? Man?You know for something that people do,
whether they whether they are in thatcountry, in our country, or everywhere.

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I mean, that's what people do. I'm may it's what they do.
I mean, I don't get it. Hey he didn't. Hey he
paid for the ride, so heshould have got he should have got reward.
I mean that's what I'm thinking.I don't have no problem with that.
And then on another note, youknow, as we get ready in
the show, Beyonce just celebrated fortysecond birthday and as she was serenaded by

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the legendary and the iconic Diana Ross. So I think that's dope. The
body of work that Beyonce has beenable to do since nineteen ninety seven,
I think is you know what,it should be rewarded. It should be
acknowledged. She has really been throughsome through a journey and I love what

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she's doing, you know, Andso no big shout out to to her
and all the work she's doing.Birthday and a happy happy birthday to me,
to her, to her, andso you know, I mean,
you know, that's pretty much whatI got today for hot topics. Uh,
now you know, Coco, theywere saying that Steve Harvey wife it

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cheated on them, but they cameout they said I was They said that
was a that was just a terribleline. Rumor. Yeah, did you
I didn't know if we were gonnatalk about the young lady who apparently denied
the guy's advances and he hit herwith a brick. I saw that that
was terrible. That was those guys, that nobody would stand up for her.

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Yeah, that was crazy. Thatwas crazy. When I looked at
her face, I said, thatain't the same woman. Yeah. Yeah.
And then they tried to show somevideo where she was doing a skit
with different dudes on a different block, saying there was a skit, No,
that was a different day. Yeah, that's just to me. Uh,
you know, I just felt likeany man that puts his hand on

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a woman, you know, he'sjust a punk ass mother such or such
a you know, that's just howI feel about it. My mom didn't
raise me to be a woman.Woman either a woman beat her. She
said, you put your hand ona man, you don't ever put your
hand on a woman. And Ithink this, this this thing about being
a gangster or you are all.I think that to me is just like

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sucker type mentality, like why wouldyou put your hand on someone that's weaker
than you? You know, andyou know, a God created man and
female, and you know, theBible says that she is the weaker vessel.
Not saying that she's weak mighted.You know, physically, she can't
do what a man does, anda man can't overpower a woman. So

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my thing for me is, Ijust I don't. I don't celebrate it.
I think it's awful that she wentthrough that, and I just think
that you know, us, asbeing in our community, we have to
step up and protect our women batteryou got mothers and sisters, grandmothers,

(33:45):
unts, cousin friends, you know, not on my watch anyway. I
don't. I ain't let none ofmy female friends. I ain't let no
joker put their hand on none ofmy female friends. Just I got bill.
I got bail money, so justbail me out. That's what I'm
talking about. I got bail money, so I'm good, I'm straight.
I hustle, I hustle hard,so you know, I just be damned.

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It's someone that I love my familyand friends, I let another man
just hurt them like that. Ijust don't get that, you know,
I don't. I don't know,but you know, go ahead, I'm
weighing on that. Yeah, it'sI just it's it's honestly, I can't
say it on the So I'm sorryfor the doorbell, honey, but but

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it's it's the it's it's the howdo I say it without saying it?
I am so tired of these sassymen. It's like what And they claimed
they're outfit. No where are themasculine men, the men who are gentlemen
in their spirits, who were raisedright to understand that you may not want
to get involved, but the manin you, it's not gonna let a

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woman be abused in your presence.They just don't make these men anymore.
And and and I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna blame they're Kevin Samuels.
I'm gonna blame all these TikTok andInstagram gurules that telling men how to treat
women and beat with women and doggingwomen because y'all can't make up your own
mind. We have such a societyof followers now that these men can now

(35:12):
think for themselves, feel like thisis some guru to tell them how to
be a man, because your mammyand your daddy didn't do it. And
I'm just like, it's just it'swe have lost this a fundamental sense of
responsibility and masculinity. True masculinity isgoing down the dream. These men are
safety, honey. I mean,like seriously, it's like and that's why,

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you know, I tell people I'mso adamant with my son. You're
a man, you'se a man.I might be a woman, but I
know what I'm not. But Ican tell you what not to do.
I can tell you don't be outhere being sassy. Yes you may cry
if you feel the need to,but understand them pears need to have a
purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's real. I'm I don't know

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you you you want to ask somethingto that trust. I mean, I
just I'll just add this. Imean, even for the man who was
out there watching, if if youwere afraid, if you didn't know what
to do, there were too manyof y'all. You could have just got
together. There was too many Likethis wasn't even there was one man who
needed to face off against one otherman, and then there were a lot

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of them. So it just itwas a sad thing for me to see.
I prayed for the sister, andwe gotta just continue to pray for
for our community. And somebody's gotto step in to teach. You need
the ogs to step up. Yeah, come from a community, then are
lost. We need come from acommunity. The dudes with names like Walter

(36:45):
Leon. We need y'all to stepup. What was the name, Walter
Leon? Okay, Marvin Okay,a ratio. I need you brothers to
step up and know you know what, Coco, we need Big Red to
throw them off a balcony. Ifyou don't res if you don't respect our
women, that's what I'm gonna doto you, big redhead, that joy,

(37:07):
big redhead that affected his bottom.I come from. I come from.
I come from a culture where hey, if my friend fighting, we
all fight. Listen, Hey,listen, you're gonna get your ass kicked
today. You know what did byherself because you know how me and my

(37:30):
own girls roll. Honey, It'sbeen some problems been me and my girls
out there and seeing that we alwayswe always gonna have to go to the
hospital. It's like, all right, listen, it's gone. I'll tell
you what them brothers needed out there. They let that woman get get hit
with that brick like that. Theyneeded a white chair, and I'm gonna
lay that alone. What they needed. That white chair, that's all they

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needed. You know what I'm saying, so trust and you know we've come
to the part of the show.You know, you know that I hate
to see you go, but youknow, all good things must come to
an end. Now again, howcan people follow you? How can people
stay connected to you? And weappreciate you coming on? I appreciate it.

(38:13):
So two ways. One follow mepersonally on all platforms as CEO Azzarell.
That's a Z A R E L. So it's Ceo Azarell. And
so what I typically do on mypersonal platform is I do a lot of
teaching. I give a lot ofknowledge about the industry, and so you'll

(38:37):
enjoy following me. I do alot of lives to help people. You
get information on my Megamond page,my movie page. It is Megamond Underscore
Media. That's where we post allthe different movies. I have produced twenty
four movies to date. So ifyou click the link in hi, thank

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you. So do you take yournext class? Yes, Coco, So
I'm doing something in October. Sojust make sure Coco go to my page
and DM me and then you andI can kind of side our talk about
when the next one is. Iwill go get my traff of people,
right now. Yeah, And whatI love is that when people take my
class, they're not only taking itfor knowledge, Like these people are really

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executing one of my skids. Justreleased a movie again on TV. It
stars It stars Delicious, y'all,and you know how Delicious always people love
to talk trash about Delicious too,you know, they talk trash to talk
trash about. But this movie isdoing so well and it made me smile

(39:44):
because it's a first time writer,the Delicious is first leading role. It's
it's called a taste of betrayal.But that's just a testament to how the
classes really work. That we're notyou. We teach, but we push
you towards execut Uh yes, yes, yes, that's dope. Uh oh
listen, man, you have beenphenomeno. And as always in this show,

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end the show with one question,what did you learn so trusted?
What did you learn today on theJeff Brown Show with Coco Brown hanging out
with these with these two funny folks. First of all, Jeff, I
learned a lot about your character becausewe started off this session with prayer,
and that says a lot. Yeah, you know, in my line of
work, I mean a lot ofcrazy people but I'm always attracted and aligned

(40:31):
with the people who know how topray before they do anything. And that's
what I learned about you today.Oh wow, thank you. I appreciate
that. Oh God is good.God is so good. A Coco,
right, she needs to definitely teachteachers do a session about this estate planning
because in the African American community ingeneral, people have no idea what happens,

(40:54):
and Coco is experiencing it, andso it would be a great exience.
Now and I gotta and I gottashout you out to Cocoa, because
even you're doing the show, evengoing through the estates, Celle right now,
they don't even understand that you're acting, still in the middle of it,
doing your and you're doing the show, so you are like doing two

(41:17):
things that want so big. Shoutout to you. So, Cocoa,
what did you learn today? Ilearned today that, oh, there are
so many incredible sisters out here behindthe scenes making boss moves, and I
just want to be one of them. That's all. That's dope. And
you know what I learned today.I learned today that is okay to get

(41:39):
banned from Italy and Venus and everythingelse like that. But also let me
tell you what I also learned today. I learned today that Trust Smallwood is
a shaker and a mover for real. So I am excited of just having
you on and just learning about you, and I'm playing that we know we

(42:00):
stay connected. I'm make sure youknow after the show, you know,
get you my contact information so wecan stay connecting and you know I can
just you know, just want tokeep that that that brother and sister love
going and coke or you know,I love you and the big shout out,
big shout out to Deacon, dodirty, Reverend, do wrong,

(42:20):
real enjoy your revival or rather yeah, yeah, don't let me well what
dos that he? That was thebenediction for the day. With that saying
makes you guys go subscribe on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts and no Spotify.
Listen till next time. Listen.God loves you, I love you,
and it's nothing in the world tobe good about it beats peace job.

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