Ep. 210 - Guests: Carey "Killa" Kelly (the brother of R. Kelly) and more

Guests: Carey "Killa" Kelly (the brother of R. Kelly) and more

Episode Transcript

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This is the FCB Podcast Network.Je what's going on? What's going on?

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Jam and Jeff Brown? And you'retuning into another exciting episode of B
Jeff Brown Show. And I'm thehost with the most And you know,
I always got to introduce the family, the lovely side of the show.
Always. I call her the Smile, none other than my homegirl, Coca
Brown doing her one two in thebuilding. The smile. Oh my god,

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what you going. I'm trying toget ready for I gotta go speak
at my son in school later.Honey, you know you're going like a
mother. Oh let me. Ican't say that on radio, but listen,
you're going like like a mother fathereverybody, Dusty Son stressed me out.
Oh okay, that's what happens.Peace got you, I got you.

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Big shout out to our man GARVEYO. He's out today. A big
shout out to his father, Papad Papa Daniels. Make sure that we
keep him in this in our prayersand I'm at be the recovery for him.
But hey, yo, I'm excitedabout this show, Coco. I'm
excited about the show because we havesome phenomenal guests on the show today.

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I want to use these gentlemen.First off, I want to give a
big shout out to my man,Lavelle Jones, big shout out to him.
This guy is incredible, R andB legend, just well connected in
the entertainment industry and just continues tobe relevant even in twenty twenty three and

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today he has blessed us to havenone other than Carrie Kelly, the brother
of Robert Kelly a k A R. Kelly, on the show today.
Very excited to have you all onthe show. How y'all doing, brothers,
We're doing great. Welcome sir,thanks for having us. Absolutely absolutely,

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let's let me just jump right intothis, man, because you know,
Carrie and and Bil, there's somuch there's so much questions right that
the public has that people, uh, you know, are always curious about.
But but Carrie, we definitely wantto talk about the book, your

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new release book, and I knowthat you know, uh, it's been
a long time coming for that.But I don't like to know from your
standpoint, being the brother of R. Kelly, how has the challenges publicly
based affected you. Well, Imean it's affected me whole it time.

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Man, just meet people they don'tthey don't. They don't see them.
The things that it changes to whereRobert came. It's also like a blessing
and a curse because of the thingsthat that happens. Our people sit back

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and capitalize off of different things,you know, opportunists. So that's what
comes on. Oh okay, whenyou talk about opportunists, can you elaborate
on that? Well, I mean, you know different people you know that

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Robert has came into contact with,you know, with his great talent.
You know, he's the most talentedguys that I know and gifted and and
annoyty. Robert is annointed uh byGod and people who art is not right,
especially knowing that you know, theeducation that wasn't very high took advantage

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of different things because of that.You know, when when you think that
you know, a person that gotto point with God has gotten to you
would think that it's it's it's alllove, but it be it'd be different
things that be mixed that be mixedup in the love for accomplishments, invite

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it be people that not just theyselveshome to different things that don't never really
yeah, a person, if thatmakes sense, you only care about what
the person is doing. That's whatcomes up here. Yeah, yeah,
and and you know, and Iunderstand that this this has been a real,

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I'm pretty sure an emotional roller coaster, you know, with you know,
watching you know, court proceedings andyou know, those type of things
happening in your brother's life. Whatwas it like growing up with your brother?
I mean, you know, Imean what what what experience did you
have growing up with him? Youknow, what was that like? Well,
when we grew up, just likeeverybody else and the other kid in

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America, you know what I'm saying, we really didn't have much. We
was comical. We used to watchThe Three Stooges and we used we used
to act like we was the ThreeStooges the Blackbirds. So we always was
comical and kept that in our life. And my mama is still Churcheners and
and and Robert had an amazing voiceeven as a kid, So we we

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always believed in in him and thathe was gonna go somewhere real far in
his life. Uh h. Sowe sibling rivalry it happens, you know
in every family, but it's alot of people that's that's too busy looking
over in our grass and the grasslooking in our backyard. But it's to

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say things that's happening in their familyas well, whether they admit it or
not. But you know, likeI said, we just basically grew up
normal. Or mother Joanne was alwaystrying to give us a better life than
what she had. You know.That's that's pretty much, you know.

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You know. And one thing Ilove about our family, our matriarchs,
there's no longer here our God.Again, the way they raised us was
was was right. You know.They raised us with the worlds and values
and instill the the word of Godand us so we was raised the right

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way. But you know, likeI said, it came to challenges and
stuff. You know, Robert,you know me even writing stand comprehended as
well. That was a tize forhim. So Robert basically here that energy

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toward his music because I believe thathe wasn't gonna be like a person that
worked a job nine to five.Robert knew he was a boss even as
a kid. M hmm. Sohe basically focused on that. It's almost

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like a person that can't they can'tsmell, or they they can't see.
They got a little sense that theactually kicks in, you know where it's
stronger. And that's that's what that'swhat happened Robert growing up because he just
put the raps, the whole truth. H h to education, you know,

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things of that nature. So hetook to the industry and the music
and stuff. He wrote it.You having I'm sorry, we're having a
hard time hearing your killer? Ohyeah, yeah, what about now?

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Can you hear me? Perfect?Much better, man, much better?
Don't change it? Okay, yeah, that was that was okay, I
got it. Now I gotta sitstill and hold the phone and look east
and then yeah, yeah, don'tdo yeah, don't move, don't move.
Well, listen, Uh, we'reglad you got that fixed. Listen.

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We got more to come. I'mgonna take a quick break and we'll
be right back with my man KerryKelly. We're getting the Inside School.
We'll be right back with me andCoch Brown is the Jeff Brown Show with
the Coco Brown. We'll be rightback with more of this interview. This
is a Jeff Brown Show, andwe're back and we're back sitting here with

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my man, Carrie Kelly, myman Bill Jones, Lovevel Joe, I
call him veil, but y'all callhim. You know what I'm saying,
Lady shout should with me, lovelyCoco Brown, I uh, you know,
Coco. I know he's making somesome conversation in the break I'm doing

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to break. All right, youmade points and I just want you to
kind of share what your thought was. But yeah, I was listening to
Carry and he was talking about Robertas a child, as an as an
adolescent, and I noticed that hewas saying that he didn't see the world
through like everybody else. I know, there are a lot of times when

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they say people are creative geniuses,they tend to live in this bubble.
They see things very differently. Butit also can be a situation when they're
that creative. Uh, when they'rewhen the creative geniuses, it's almost like
some other things might not click inas much. Like you know, when

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they say people are creative geniuses,highly intelligent or genius level, sometimes things
like common sense or just right andwrong, just very basic things that we
may come very innately to us doesnot come to them because they see the
world through different eyes. And whenyou were talking about him coming up and
how he was very different and howhe saw things. Did you kind of

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feel that maybe that was maybe himin terms of that that creative genius insight
of how he viewed the world.Yes, I felt like I knew that
my brother was different great way,you know, but just because he couldn't
really read and write and comprehend andunderstand. So he was smart on other

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levels. That was above a lotof people, most people, and and
we always believed in that, youknow, especially my mama. You know,
we didn't get toys and stuff forChristmas. We got instruments. Mm
hmm. We got instruments, youknow, and at first we like what
we're supposed to do with that,you know. Uh yeah, that's that's

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something that she saw in all ofher children, and Robert was more compassionate
about it. What people don't understandis he he never worked a job,
h you know, because he wasborn to be an entrepreneur. He was
born to be boss. He wasborn to be in control of his career

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and his destiny. So it's it'slike, with with that being said,
it's like he, yes, hewas, he was different, and you
know he was a little spoiled youknow too, because you know, he
was the baby before I was born, So my mom and them and everybody
just you know, gravitated to himand you know, and and that nature.

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So yeah, he was spoiled becausehe was the baby for four years
and then I came along. Soit's it was when he came get I
have to ask him question, notto not to catch you off. Brother,
It just hit me. Uh,my brother and I are five years

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apart, and we had extreme siblingrivalry up until probably our mid thirties.
Well it was a competition. Didyou and Robert have that? Well,
yes we did. We was incompetition for our mother's love, you know,

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and with me being the baby,it was like, you know,
I really didn't have to do much. People don't understand, you know,
like even my family members. Mymama had a child before me, after
Robert, but he was born,he was still born, so she lost
the child. So when I camealong, you know, I you know,

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I'm just I only can imagine,you know, as a mother,
how she was thinking and how shetreated like, I don't want to these
another one. H I'm overly protectiveof you all after that. Yes,
yes, yeah, so so letme let me ask you a question because

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I'm hearing some phenomenal uh uh memoriesand history as it relates to Robert.
That really doesn't you know, gettalked about. It doesn't. There's not
a lot of light shd on this. Uh. I guess humanity aspect of

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Robert, what do you from yourfrom your opinion? You know, and
you know we don't you know,it's just your opinion or your thought,
your perspective. What do you thinkbecame the challenge that separated him from this
god fearing household to create or stepinto this guy or Kelly me that that

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kind of seemed like really became themain narrative. Who's the sexuality? Yeah,
you know everything the church says weshould. Yeah, what do you
think about that? Kevin Well?I actually it's you know, I know

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it's my opinion, but me actuallybeing there, I can say I know
what happened to my brother when itwhen it came to what he what he
been through Robert, Like I said, Robert different. He was different he
and as a kid, but whenhe became a star, Robert gravitated to

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He was glad. He was gladbecause he sometimes he had doubts, you
know, as big as he became, he had doubts on making it.
A lot of people don't know that. A lot of record labels turned Robert
down before he when he when hewent to Netlly Cole's Big Break, when
it was him and him, RKelly and MGM mentally gifted men. When

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he went there and he won onNetlly Cole's Big Break, that's when the
label started actually calling. So hewas doors closed in his face, and
you know, and and and Robertmine. He was believing that it was
because he couldn't really read and write, and he was determined to make the

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world see his talent through his eyes. H So that's what kept him going.
But once he got in there,once he made it the wrong people.
Robert is really a teddy bear.You know this, This R Kelly
cat is an entity. And thatcame from people being around you know that.

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And it goes back to what Iwas saying earlier. When you got
people around you and and and theyyes, sirs, And you know,
Robert said, hey, the sonis purple tonight. That's Robert it is.
That's not a chemistry being he isbecause he started to believe that they
are right. When you have peoplearound that tell you, hey man,

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you know, I don't know ifyou need uh, you know, your
cataracts checked or whatever. Bro,But that son is always been the same
color, you know, our wholetire life, so it's not purple.
Bro. Then do you feel likeI didn't want he didn't want anyone around

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him to tell him the truth?Well, when you got earl, I
would say, the majority of theworld telling you this and telling you that,
and you know, it become confusing, especially to a person that's not
educated and that's been by They tookadvantage of his situation. He's a genius

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music and producing and writing songs andhit record after hit records. Robert he
he he fit those out with noproblem. But when it comes to being
intellectual and intelligent, when it comesto dealing with people, anybody say they

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love him, or anybody to say, hey, you know, uh,
you know, we see your vision, We see what you're saying. Even
if you know you're on this trainand this train is going two hundred miles
an hour and there's no breaks.We believe in you. And Robert take

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that face value. He believed inthat. So yes, the people that
were saying, hey man, thistrain, we need to jump off the
train. It's gonna crash and killeverybody is not trying to hear them.
Wow, he need control. Hehad like he had control issues where he

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needed control. Yes, and Ibelieve that actually came from different things that
happened to him as a child.At one point, I, you know,
thought my brother was a monster withall the different things that was going
on. And I had to sitback and really really think about it.
Yeah. I did say some thingsand interviews and things of that nature.

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But when I've really actually seen thatthis was hidden so real, and I
actually went to trial, I wentup to New York twice, I'm really
starting to understand that like this onehere is Uh, it's different when it
comes to Robert because Robert is soused to being right mm hmm. You

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know, it's a natural fact.It's a natural You're never correcting you exactly,
And it can happen to the bestof us. You know, it
didn't just happen to him because heyou know, he's r Kelly. It
can happen to the best of usbecause of human beings. At the end

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of the day, not none ofus is perfect. So when I started
sitting back and understanding different things,and it made me have more compassion in
my heart for my brother. Andwe been through and whatever our disagreements may
have been in the past, that'sthe past, and that's where I leave

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it at. It's the past.I'm looking the president. Well, listen,
hey, Carrie, don't go nowhere, man, we won't talk a
little bit more about I want toget into the book. And also I
want to there's another, you know, a couple other things I want to
talk about. And I want toget your perspective on as well, man,
because you're really dropping some phenomenal gemsand some phenomenal insight, as I

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say, on a different perspective asthe brother of Robert Kelly, because we
as you know people, as fans, I've been a fan of his music
for a long time, you know, and we don't know Robert h We
don't know, we don't know,we know are and so I'm appreciating the

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transparency and you know, just youknow, just keeping in one hondre.
But listen, I need to takea break and to pay some bills.
Coco and I carry my man bill. We'll be right back with more than
Jeff Brown show. I want totalk about that book when we come back.
Be right back. Yep, thisis a Jeff Brown Show. Hey,

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what's up y'all? This your girlCooca Brown and you are back with
the Jeff Brown Show. We areso excited to have this incredible guest.
We have Carrie Kelly, author,musician, artist, voice and the brother
of Robert R. Kelly. Weare going to get back into this,
Jeff, do you have something becauseI know I do. Yeah, I
do. I want to kind ofI want you to hold that thought because

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I want to kind of pivot intothe book. He just released his book,
something that he's been working on forover twenty years, and from what
I'm understanding, the book really focuseson their hero, which was their mother,
and I just want, you know, Carrie talk a little bit about

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that as well. Also, letme say this coming up in the show.
I have my man Dwayne Evans comingup in the show. He is
the CEO and owner of Doing BetterThan Excellent, which is a nonprofit that
focused on domestic violence. So thisis Domestic Violence Awareness Month. In addition

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to that is breast cancer wearing hismonth. So you know, I just
want to kind of shine a lighton that just kind of a soft club
there. But Carrie, talk talka little bit about the book. You
know, you talk about some thingsin the book. You mentioned some things,
you know even you know, justsome of the challenges that you know,

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your brother went through. You talkabout, you know, your upbringing,
your mom, her faith. Youjust talk about all of that and
and you know, talk a littlebit about that, you know, and
how your mom really became your hero. You kind of you know, touched
on it early on, but Iwant to kind of, you know,
talk about it right now. Well, I'm a firm believer. You know,

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we was raised by three great women. I mean, uh, three
great women. You know. Wewe was able. We was blessed enough
to be able to see three generationsof our great grandmother on Downside, our
grandmother on Downsie, our mother,and our grandmother, our mother's mother was

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a evangelist. They all believed inGod, and they all believed in His
word. And that's what we wasraised in. You know, when we
got old enough to be able tomake our own decisions, we all are
strayed away from that. And that'swhy I called the book the Kelly Chronicles.
Lord, forgive us all Robert,it's not the one of that made

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mistakes. M m m hmm.That's deep. So when you talk about
chronicles, they have been taught thatyou know, your brother had faced,
uh, had been lested. Isthere any truth that, yes, oh

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I was molested as well. Andthe thing of that is, you know,
everybody deal with situations differently. Idecided to become an advocate for that,
you know, against actually against thatwhen it comes to a child legitity.

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I'm sorry, y'all. It's justwhen I think about it, it
just really it takes me back,and it really bothers my soul. And
and and that's another reason I hadto do this book. I spoke to
God on my situation so many times, and and and he guided me.
I asked him the guid my footstepsevery time. He allowed me to open

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my eyes to see a day thatI never saw before and I never see
again. So I you know,he guided me to able to get my
truth out because it's therapeutic to me. It's therapeutic because I know that other
people is actually going through these thingsaround the world. It's not just the
Kelly family, it's it's millions ofpeople. That's going through things, and

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and they don't know how to expresswhat they're going through. So I feel
like we are the sacrificial lands,you know. So that's why I paced
our life on a platform to beable to let people understand that, Yeah,
Robert is great at what he did, and and he made a lot

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of great accomplishments in his life hismusic, but he's still the human beings.
We are human beings, and weall our God's children. So we've
been in the same place as they. Then we've been through the same things
they've been through, you know,when you talk being in the same you
know, going through the same things. You know, you know that Ago

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cliche guilty by a social and didyou ever feel that when he was going
through the allegations, the trial,the persecution, did you ever feel like
that trickled down to you? Explainthat I don't understand what you're saying.

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You're saying trickle down to me aslike, did you were being judged just
as much as he was? Oh? Yes, oh yes, Actually I
was being for me. I wasbeing judged a little bit worse because you
know, I'm just a brother.I'm not painings. I'm not you know,
I'm really actually up under my brotherlight and I was just grateful that

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he allowed me to come on tourwith him. He allowed me to be
in videos, he allowed me totravel and see the world. I wouldn't
have never saw the world without mybrother, and that's facts. I wouldn't
have never got a chance. Iwould have been one of those cats that
have been in the hood just likeeverybody else, just that's where they live
at and that's where they died becausethey have an opportunity to be able to

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go around the world. And I'vebeen around the world two or three times
with him, So I was gratefulfor that. But what came along with
that is, yes, I dofeel like people believe that they would choose
to believe rather believe that, youknow, it's it's the brother that's that
ain't on nothing opposed to the brotherthat's a superstar. I'm not saying that

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it was him. I'm just sayingthat that's what that's how I someone to
blame. Yes, yes, gotyou, yes so, and not that
Wow I'm sorry, no, no, go ahead, carry no, I'm
just listening to that, you know, uh, you know, it's amazing

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how perspective and what people think aboutindividuals and not have the whole story.
It just you know, it definitelycan puts out or tasting people's mouth.
You know what I'm saying the audiencethat is that is actually in tune to
what's going on. But but goahead, Carrie. I'm just kind of
just like, wow, Well,so I looked at it, like,

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you know, yeah, I wasbrought up. You know, I actually
did a judge Mathis had a judgeMatthews case and they actually subpoenaed the tape
into the courtroom to show them ofRoberts two thousand and one case. It

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ended in two thousand and eight,but I believe the case was in two
thousand and one and two thousand andtwo somewhere around and there. Okay,
hold on, Terry, you said, what Coco, you kind of went
in and out. Now, Iknow I was. I was listening to
him and they said they subpoena athis brother's tape for something that he was

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dealing with. And how did theyeven put you went two together for that
to even be part of the issue. Now, and before you go into
that, are we talking about thetape of where allegedly that he was with
the young lady and in your Nationtape, are we talking about that or
we talking about something that well,yeah, we're talking about the alleged allegations

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in the two thousand and one casethat changed my life, got my life,
you know, a whole lot,and to the point where you know,
I pretty much had to seek Ihad to see professional help behind that.

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So while people saying I'm jealous,and they saying that, you know,
he's just mad because he didn't getknow, they don't know my story
because they used to listening to onesided stories. And that's and that's that's
the whole uh, that's the ballpark right there, of uh, of
of everything. When I was Robert'slawyers at the time said that it could

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be his brother in the video.And when they said that, wow,
wow, that's how the wow thatI was on not a tape with the
little girl. I was on theJudge Matthews Show, and the Doge Matthews

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Show became subpoena into the courtroom.That's why you can't find it on the
internet now because it became a partof a case that I had nothing to
do with. Right why aspeciation orthey were looking for escapegoat, and they
said, why not get the brotherwe heard about? Reasonable die? Yeah?

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Yeah, you know, Shoot,I gotta take another break here and
I'm gonna start this conversation and we'llpick it back up after the break.
So is that where the is thatwhere the dissension when that happened, when
when his attorney said, hey,let's put it on the brother could be
the brother, you know, creatingthat reasonable doubt? Uh? Is that

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where a lot of your challenges cameas far as your relationship with him?
Exactly? Okay, Okay, we'llbe We're gonna get you know, we're
gonna ask Carrie about that, likewhat caused the rift and the disconnect and
then where are they now? Sowe'll be right out with the Jeff Brown

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with your girl, Coco Brown.The smile has spoken. We'll be right
back. This is the Jeff BrownShow. What's going on? He We
are back with my man, CarrieKelly, the brother of Robert Kelly,
a k A. Mister twelve playor Kelly. Uh. Now you know

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what, this has been an incredibleinterview, you know, Coco or not.
And I guess I can possibly speakfor Coco, but you know,
we've interviewed some phenomenal people, Buttoday I am really I'm really enjoying this
interview just from a standpoint of seeingit from both sides. You know what

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I'm talking about, Coco, whenyou think about Stanning that there are more
dynamics to this, to this,to this picture. Absolutely, and for
once somebody is talking about the humanfraility of this man. Absolutely, you
know what I'm saying. The thingis, you know, we still got

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the debate. Do I listen tohis music? Do I not? Blah
blah blah, whatever the case maybe. You know, all the time,
I may not like Bill Cosby,but I love Claiff Hostable moving on.
So you know, it's just it'sbeen so to hear this, you
know, and to hear it froma perspective of the human side. Absolutely,

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it's definitely on down our throats,but the human side, Yeah,
it's deep, and uh, youknow, I'm just glad that we are.
Actually I believe we may be thefirst to have this exclusive conversation as
it relates to this aspect of it, you know, and I could be
wrong, but they'll you know,you and Carrie may know that a little

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bit better. But we want toget it. How Carrie became close to
this situation and what was the catalystthat started the risk between you Carrie and
your brother Robert? And where areyou now? Yeah, well that was

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the situation right there. You know, that's my brother. I'm always gonna
love my brother because that's my mama'schild, and I love her without loving
her seed it's impossible. Mm hmm. Well I love it all. And
you know, in actuality, Ireally felt like, Okay, my brother

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being in who he is when thistook place, and these are his lawyers
that are saying this my brother.I felt like Robert was in a position
to be able to say, hey, y'all keep my family out of this.
That's not my brother, and peoplewould have listened to him. But

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I felt like since nothing was saidthat I was still up under the bus
while everybody saying, you know,I'm not my brother's keeper. You know,
at one point in my life Ifelt like I wasn't being kept Yeah
deep deep deep is wow? Wow? So so during that time, how

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did that I'm pretty sure when thatcame out that had made I'm assuming that
that probably affected you financially, thatprobably affected you with your family your friends.
I'm just assuming, you know,they say you assume, you make
an ass of yourself. This isone of up times I think I'm gonna
try to make an ass of myself. Did that affect you negatively in those

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aspects? Yes, it did,because I'm not perfect. I'm a human
being of high feelings, and youknow that's when you conspiral out of control,
not thinking before you do things orbefore you say things. You just
speaking from a place of hurt,a place of disappointment, a place of

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anger, and things of that nature. My children was in school at that
time when they was young, andmy kids used to get into fights because
kids used to tease them and say, your daddy is a child molester.
So yeah, really won't do it, okay, And it's it's like,

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you know, no one can understandthose shoes unless they put them on,
try and moon and walk around theblock, you know, and see how
they fit. Yeah, So that'smy kids, was going through that.
And then you got people that's grown. That's that's Robert Fans. I'll fight
out there fighting my kids because they'remy kids. Is protecting my name,

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my brand. So it got crazyfor me to the point where I had
to seek some type of help becauseI started having an anxiety attacks. I
never been through that before in mylife, anxiety attacks out of control where
I couldn't I just couldn't control them. I'm being rushed to the hospital four

(37:52):
times out of a week and it'sonly seven days, Okay. So yeah,
that that that's something that I wentthrough and I feel like it changed
my life forever to a certain degree. And I'm not mad or angry.
I just understand and looking at Robert'ssituation right now, my heart really goes
out to him in regardless to whatpeople think. At the end of the

(38:15):
day, that's my brother and I. It ain't nothing I could do about
it. It ain't nothing he coulddo about it. Who's my brother.
It ain't nothing I could I coulddo about it, and nothing he could
do about it. And to resistmy sister, even though she did those
things to us when we was kids, that's still my sister. And the
way that I was raised. Mymama always told us that, you know,

(38:37):
the Bibles say that the truth shallset you free, So that's I'm
cut from that cloth of you know, I'm gonna tell the truth and shame
the devil. Yeah, so sonow, uh, you know I got
veiled on, we got veiled withus as well. I know he's you
know, uh, he's been sittingin and I know, uh veiling you

(39:00):
are our partners, business partners orwhatever. Vill from your perspective because you
use the same backup with with RKelly, Right, that's that's okay.
So what is your thought? Oh? What? What? What? What
have you learned watching this unfold andbeing you know, close to to Carrie

(39:23):
and you know, being the backupsinger for R Kelly Robert and uh,
you know what what did you learnthroughout this? What have you seen?
Mostly with maturity comes understanding. Wewere all young touring the world and I
got to experience more of R Kellythan I did Rob, So I have
a little different perspective, uh thanKiller being his brother. So I experienced

(39:49):
R. Kelly at the height ofhis career on the twelve Play tour.
That's where I met Killer. Uh, and Rob got to hang out with
them, and I've seen the dynamicand I'm just gonna be honest that there
are namics between the two weren't good. He treated his brother, he kind
of like a stepping Stone compared toeverybody else who was employed by him.

(40:15):
I think because they had a brotherrelationship that he didn't value what carry really
brought to the table. He didn'tpay him equal. And these are things
that I'm saying. I'm not sayingthem to to tear our Kelly down.
Just you know, it's truth,the truths to set your free. So
these are the things that I saw. There was lacking in the relationship.

(40:36):
So you know, they would constantlybe in it because Killer wasn't a pushover.
Killer didn't care. He was asuperstar. His money couldn't shut Killer
Killer up. So a lot oftimes Killer would get kicked off the tour,
they get into it. Killer wouldstand up to him say, hey,
you're wrong, you're wrong. Robbedit. You know, that's where
the control thing came and robbed itn'twant anybody telling them he's wrong. And

(40:58):
so I experienced I experienced that anddoing the rift. You know, I
was in Cleveland, And to behonest with you, you know this affected
Killer financially because you know, hewas touring and when he would get kicked
off the tour, he wouldn't haveany where to make money. So he
ended up in Cleveland. I thinkRob paid up his rent in the Americana
hotels there in Cleveland and euclid forlike six months, and after that he

(41:22):
was on his own. There wasa time where Killer was sleeping in the
sleeping in his car, he wassleeping in abandoned buildings in the wintertime,
and I told him just come toCleveland. I got you. And that's
where we, you know, formedthe connects. And he became my brother.
I know, you know, hewas lacking a brother. He had
a brother, but it wasn't reallya brother relationship. So we became closer

(41:45):
and we became brothers, and Ibecame his keeper, and that we've been
connected for almost thirty years now,and so I've been on this roller coaster
ride with him. I've been withhim where he was angry, he was
lashing out, and it's come fullcircle to the book where you know,
we're looking at things with mature oddsnow and trying to understand what happened and

(42:08):
why Rob is in the situation thathe's in, and a lot of it
is because of childhood, is becausea lot of people who are around him
that were just there for a paycheckand didn't care what was going on and
turned the blind eye to some thingsinstead of standing up to him and saying,
hey, this was wrong. Wehad it down the wrong way,

(42:28):
you know. And that was Killer, you know what I'm saying. But
anybody that did that, Rob threwpretty much threw him away. So you
know, I've been full circle withKiller. We call him Killer carry for
the last thirty years. He's beenmy brother and I've hired his back,
I've supported him, you know,and it's it's a blessing to see that

(42:52):
all the struggles he went through weren'tin vain. He has a story to
tell. It's a powerful story justabout his brother, it's about the whole
family dynamic and challenges that families face. Whether you're in the hood or whether
you tour in the world, we'reall the same. And so it's come
full circle and the book is reallyreally powerful. It's available on Amazon and

(43:16):
the audible book will be available nextnext week sometime, so everybody can find
it on Amazon. That's dope aveil. I want you to stay right
there, Carrie. I don't wantyou to go nowhere. Listen. I
got my main man, Dwayne Evansfrom doing better than Excellent, the nonprofit
that focus on domestic violence. He'sjoined the conversation. Just want to tap

(43:39):
in with him real quick and totalk about this serious, serious issue in
our community. We'll be right backfor of the Jeff Brown Shoe with Coco
Brew. This is the Jeff BrownShow and we're back in. We're back

(44:04):
my man, Dwayne Nevers from DoingBetter Than Next and the nonprofit that focus
on domestic violence. You know,Dwayne, you know I've been knowing you
for almost Jesus almost thirty years.You actually alumni. Yeah, you're my
alumni brother from Shaw High School.Big shout out to the class at nine
and eight. Got my my lovelyco host with me, Coco. This

(44:30):
this gentleman here. Uh he alsoit's my classmate, like we had ep
from the recipe, so we allgraduated together. Okay, okay, Yeah,
and uh Dwayne has a nonprofit thatfocused on domestic violence, and I
just wanted to kind of give himsome little space here, you know,

(44:50):
to kind of talk about, uh, you know, what he's doing.
You know, what did he needfrom the community to help support this call
that has affected him. So let'slet's get right into it. Dwayne First
of all, you talk about yourlife watching your mom go through domestic violence,

(45:12):
and am I correct about that?Correct? Yeah? And that was
kind of the tallest in starting thisnonprofit because you you actually lived it.
You was in the same household,you watch you know someone that you know,
you know someone abuse your mom,and and it was it was challenging.
Hi cut, big shout out toyou on doing this number one,

(45:35):
number two as this is domestic violenceAwareness month. Uh. I know that
the interview short lived. But whatis the main thing that you want people
to understand, you know, andand and focus on and to remember when
we talk about domestic violence. Firstoff, again, thank you for allowing
me the opportunity to be on theshow and use your platform. You have

(45:58):
been doing great things and I guessI greatly appreciate this opportunity. Appreciate you.
Thank you. The biggest thing thatI always explain to people about domestic
violence is one Uh. Well,I asked the question first, like,
what is domestic violence? Right?Ninety percent of people will say a man
beating a woman, Right, Thatis not the case at all. Domestic

(46:21):
violence is violence that starts at home. So to get you perspective and putting
things into in a bigger platform.When you hear turns like domestic terrorism,
what do you think of It's terrorismthat starts at home in your home country.
So what's more terrifying than domestic violence? Again, it is your people
that's supposed to be living on youand caring for you and protecting you.

(46:42):
But these are the ones that costsin the most harmed. Oh right,
So I said, I I asyou said, I used to explain to
people, you know, I watchedmy mom go through this for seventeen years,
you know. But then I realized, as I, you know,
started to learn myself and actually developand we're working on on the on the

(47:02):
company and stuff like that, Iunderstood that I didn't just watch her go
through it, okay, as akid growing up in it. It affected
me in more voice than one becauseI I am a viral domestic vinus as
well, because I'm not. Ididn't just stand by watch I like like
people do now and this videos tapit. I was in the middle of
it, you know, I'm youknow, my stet father jumped down my

(47:25):
mind. I got to you know, protect my mind, right, that's
what we're supposed to do. SoI look at the scars to prove it.
From when I got hit in thehead with you know, two by
four, I got a scroll overhere when I get hit hit in the
head with a hammer like for me, I explained to one of our other
classmates recently that I felt ashamed ofthe things that I was going through at

(47:47):
home. And that's why, youknow, I always tell people the mask
that we wear because nobody understood orknew why. You know, I didn't
have friends growing up since elementary school. You know, howcome when I got
to saw you know, I wasin tenth grade and people were like,
I remember to this decond it wasfunny to me. People like when I

(48:07):
won Hong Kong ference, people werelike, but you were in our class.
I think, what's on every day? But because I started, I
just started now great with everybody becauseI ain't. We moved around so much
that people never knew me. Inever took a time to know who I
am or what I've been through.So my question to you is, now,
because I know that's this is thisis I need and I need to

(48:27):
do a show dedicated to this becauseI know this is short lived. How
can people connect with you? Totap into resources to help them deal with
this. It was a couple ofdifferent ways. Again, you can follow
me on social media, you know, uh DBX excellence at Instagram, on
Facebook or on Twitter, or youcan go to my website is ww dot

(48:52):
uh dB excellence dot org. Again, I had all the information about our
programs and classes and I'm events thatwe had come coming up and stuff like
that great. And you know,also I got to give a big shout
out to Amanda Williams, the youngthe hairstylist here in the city who was
recently tragically killed. Her fiance allegedlyshot her five times in a domestic violence

(49:19):
dispute. And there's a lot ofbacklash coming because the county prosecutor said that
there was not sufficient enough evidence tocharge him. So there's a lot there's
a major community hurting. But Ialso say this, you know, before
you know, before I let yougo, that Amanda is not the only
one that has suffered a fatal death. You know, there was a report

(49:43):
that came out in June of twentyof this year that said there was one
hundred and twenty two fatalities related todomestic violence in the state of Alio.
Alone, that is a major problem, and that probably hasn't that that that
probably hasn't recorded everything or every otherfatality that that we don't know about,

(50:04):
you know what I'm saying. Sowith that said, Dwayne Man, I
want to thank you for your platform. I want to thank you for what
you're doing. Uh. The JeffBrown Show supports what you're doing, and
anything that we can do to helpyou get the message out, We're going
to do that, man. Andand let's remember let's keep the families of
a man. Let's keep the familyof Amanda Williams in prayer, and all

(50:28):
those women and men who have suffereduh and they died, and children that
have suffered and dealing with domestic violence. So thank you, d Wayne d
Evans. I'm sorry d Evans foryour your love and support. Brother.
We appreciate you. Thank you.And again I want one and another thing

(50:51):
I wanted to point out was likeyou said when I said women, it's
not just women, its men andchildren. It was a case where in
two thousand May twenty first, twothousand and five, I can tell you
the exact date where this guy uhand him and his girl had got into
it. So he burnt up thehouse and we had all the kids inside.

(51:13):
So because of them, two arearguing the kids suffered so off their
life in the house fire. Thereason why I noticed, and I remember
this day verily because the twenty secondwas my my wife's anniversary. Oh wow,
my kids spost went over there,over there to her cousin in them
house that night. But you know, again, a grace of God says

(51:35):
no, no, let them gothis time. We go next time because
they didn't go that night. They'restill laugh today. Wow, wow,
wow, that's incredible. Man.Well, thank god they're alive. Thank
god you alive. Thank God youmade it. And listen, man,
we lock into more work together backon the Okay, we get hit back
on the show because I have somany questions, but I know we're under

(51:55):
a time constraint. But are questionfor your brother. I commend you for
what you're doing. I think ageyour problem with people not being able to
rejection and things going extremely left whenthey don't happen. People know how to
control their emotions when they should havebe getting out stimulus checks. They should
have been given out therapy. SoI would love hopefull Jeff, we can

(52:20):
get him back because I have somany questions for you, brother, but
thank you for what you're doing.Yes, therapy, Yeah yeah, my
man, A therapy is the newGucci. I know that's right. Doing
better than actually my man d Evans. Thank you brother. Hey, we'll
be right back with more of theJeff Brown Show. This is a Jeff

(52:45):
Brown Show, and we're back,going back, going back. Man.
I think my man d Evans fromdoing better than excellent. Remember your domestic
violence is real. Make sure youall just you know, be safe out
there. There's a lot going onagain. Big shout out to the family
of Amanda Williams, a beautiful womanthat was recently killed through domestic violence.

(53:10):
And it's just just it's just crazy, it's just insane. It actually shook
up the whole damn city the impactof this woman's death, so uh,
you know, let's just stay awareof that. Also tomorrow tonight, tonight,
I will be hosting the breast cancerawareness event the Influencers Bar Night.

(53:30):
Myself alone with Sam Silk and someof my friends were coming together to poor
drinks and raise awareness for breast cancer. So makes you guys tap in with
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(53:52):
that's gonna be dope with that saidman man Coco. We had a great,
great interview to day with my manCarrie Kelly. I wish we could
go all day long, but wecan't. But today was just great.
Carrie. I just thank you foryour sir. Yeah, yeah, we

(54:13):
definitely need part sir. I'm justput yeah, we definitely. I want
to thank you. Yeah, Iwant to. I want to thank you
Carrie and Veil for this. Soas we're end the show, Carrie,
if you can sum it up andjust you know, and I must say

(54:35):
a minute thirty right, what isone thing that you want the listeners to
remember and take away as as itrelates to uh, your from your perspective,
something that's positive? You know,we we signed so much light on
the negative. What is what isa what's the positive thought that you want

(55:00):
people to remember about this family andyour talent and your gifting, your wonderful
mother and and and the matred andyou know the matre matriarchs and the patriots
or your family that that that setthe tone for your family. What is
it that you want people to rememberand know? Well, I want to
say to the people, the goodpeople that's in the world, and everybody.

(55:22):
If everybody got family, not ifeverybody has family, everybody came or
derived from somewhere. If you loveyour family and you're supposed to, and
your family love you and they're supposedto, don't make the same mistakes that
we did. Because sometimes when thathappens, it's hard to get it back

(55:47):
on the right track because the chainof events, some can become unforgivable,
unforgiving people behold on to things andand and and and don't let it go.
And then we only got one lifeto live. So if you have
an opportunity to mend things together withyour family and the people that you love

(56:10):
and do do so, please doso, Please do so before it's too
late. Wow, I got Igotta I gotta throw this in here man,
and and and and I'm end theshow. Tell me one thing that
if you had an opportunity to talkto your brother, what would you say

(56:32):
to him? Right now? Iwould actually say to Robert that we are
straight away from mama's teachings and ourgrandmother's teachings. But it's not too late
for us to get it right becausewe are six feet above the ground.

(56:58):
Wow. But there you have it, man, my man, Carrie,
Kelly, Karen, where Hey,I love it, Carrie. Where can
the people get the book at Man? They can get the book on Amazon
and Kindle, Kendle. Amazon isgoing to be on a couple of other
platforms in a few days. Theaudio book will be available probably by next

(57:23):
week. And again the name ofthe book is called The Kelly Chronicles,
Volume one, Lord, forgive usall. There's many more volumes to come.
Y'all, Wow, veil. Iwant to thank you, brother.
I want to take your veil.Hey, you more than welcome. Hey.

(57:45):
I want to say this. Thisis what we do before we end
the show. I do a segmentcalled the last segment is always called what
did you learn? Coco? Whatdid you learn today? There's always two
sides for every story. Wow,Bill, what did you learn today?
Brother? I learned that the JeffBrown Show is hot. I love the

(58:09):
chair that you gave carry Kelly,because it is a sensitive topic. It's
not easy exposing family tragedies, familysecrets. And you know, the more
the more that we do. Soit's our healing is in that, you

(58:29):
know what I'm saying. And healingis in the truth. So that's what
I learned today from being on theJeff Brown Show and listening to Carrie's interview.
Wow, Carrie, what did youlearn today? Man? I learned
today that God is more realer everyday that I wake up every day,
that He allow us to wake upbecause there's millions and millions of people that

(58:52):
didn't wake up this morning, okay. And I learned that God still has
great people such as yourself, suchas Coco, such as Veil in this
world. It's still great people inthis world so long as we know that

(59:13):
we have a chance to change forthe better. And that's what it's about.
And I thank you, brother,I really do. And yes you
are you were the exclusive interview,Yes, yes you were. Well.
I appreciate that. Let me tellyou what I learned today. I learned
today that God does specializes in secondchances. And I pray that as you

(59:37):
continue to find your journey, brother, as you continue to evolve into the
greatness that God has in your life. Man, I just pray that you
continue to embrace this grace and mercythat God has given you. And I'm
also praying for your brother because yourbrother is gifted and he's talented, and
he's annoying it and I'm just prayingthat God would keep him and that God

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