November 18, 2025 • 21 mins
In this explosive conversation, I lay out why AI is no longer just an abstract tech buzzword but a direct threat to your children, your mind, and your freedom—from foul-mouthed AI “toys” quietly harvesting data on your kids, to AI chip giants pouring billions into centralized systems that will decide what you see, what you believe, and what you’re allowed to say. We walk through Elon Musk’s robotic “utopia,” the dangerous myth of “neutral” AI with projects like Grok and Grokipedia, the way Big Tech and media use artificial intelligence to label, slander, and propagandize, and why the very elites building this system refuse to let their own kids near it, even as they demand that yours live on screens. I also explain why I won’t let my three-year-old touch this digital trap, how we can return to real-world creativity, and how platforms like Pickax are being built to restore human judgment, free speech, and authentic reach in a world increasingly governed by code and controlled by oligarchs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'll look it up and figure it out. All right,
ladies and gentlemen, speaking of getting back to simplicity, AI
is out there. It's haunting us. Maybe going to teach
your kids and curse words with the holiday season with
some foul mouth AI toys that are out there. Let
me welcome into the program our special guest, Jeff Dornick.
He's the founder and CEO of Pickaxe. Maybe you have
(00:21):
been there. If not, you should be. It's the groundbreaking
social media platform both built on two uncompromising principles. It's
built on the freedom of speech and the freedom of reach.
And his newest book is called Following the Leader. Jeff
Dornick back on the program. Jeff, welcome back, sir. How
are you doing really well? Thanks for having me back on. Well,
let's dive into this now we're getting here AI taking jobs,
(00:43):
or AI doing this or doing that. Now. I hear
that AI is going to affect Christmas because there's certain
Christmas toys that are gonna have some AI in them,
and some people are putting out of the toy website
said maybe there's going to be some naughty language coming
from these AI toys. So it's everywhere AI is just
absolutely everywhere. Now it's in the kids toys.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not surprised that the new trend
is is.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, sticking AI into into kids toys.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I mean, we are we just we already saw that
trend begin with you know, like Elon Musk coming out
with Baby Grock, you know, and things like that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
But but now that we're dealing with the toys, I
think one of the concerns is like, Okay, if you're
putting AI into these toys, are these toys connected to
the internet. Is this a two way conversation that's going on,
because because if it is, but more than likely if it,
if it's AI, it is connecting to the internet with
a lot of these kinds of toys, then the AI
model is actually learning from what your kids say or
(01:41):
interact with it. And so then now it's more data
collection that they're funneling into their own large, large language
model to learn about your kids. Now now we're getting to,
you know, some pretty creepy invasive behavior there by these
big tech guys.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Let's talk about AI. The AI chip maker a route
and just dumped one of the A ship maker's just
thirty two million shares of Nvidia and is going to
invest thirty billion dollars into open Ai. Is this something
that affects any of us as it's just a stock
play pat in the pocket, or is this something we
should be paying attention to.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We should we should really be paying attention to it,
because because the the trajectory that these guys are heading
right now when it comes to artificial intelligence is systematically
centralizing the power and the control to a handful of
these you know, big tech oligarchs really and so this
is the problem, is that every step that they get
closer to further developing artificial intelligence, they're further centralizing the
(02:36):
power by centralizing all of the data and they're in
basically so now it is this kind of this incestuous
relationship now that we have where all these different big
tech companies now are kind of like cross investing with
each other. So they if they don't think that they
can actually defeat the rest of the AI companies, then
what they'll actually do is they're actually partnering with them.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
With what you just mentioned about them now investing into
you know, open ai even more extensively. So this is
one of the problems though, that we face as we
head into this future. As you know, you've guys, you've
got the report that came out by Bernie Sanders a
couple of months ago, as well as guys like Elon
Musk and Bill Gates and Sam Altman all talking about
the same thing, which is basically that artificial intelligence is
(03:18):
going to replace the need for human beings to be
in the workforce at all. What does that mean. It
means that it's going to centralize all the power and
all the resources, and all the manufacturing and all the
capabilities to these handful of companies that run the AI.
Elon Musk just posted a bunch of videos over the weekend.
You know, he was at some summit talking about the
future of AI and how AI is going to fix
(03:40):
all of our problems. And it was and it's really
interesting because because you know, he's kind of this Republican
you know, everybody, everybody loves him because he endorsed Trump,
although he kind of became divisive, but then now he's
kind of come back into the fold a little bit.
But it's really interesting because what he's picking to everybody
is that the optimist robot, which is which is fueled
by his you know Xai Grock, you know artificial intelligence
(04:02):
that that will basically solve all of our problems. It's
going to end in the poor, it's gonna it's gonna
end the need, the hunger's gonna eat all the all
the medical care issues, and it's gonna solve all of
our problems.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But what he's basically.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Pitching to us is this socialist utopia where basically we
all have universal basic income, we all just kind of
like live, we're all equal, and then the robots will
do all the all the you know, fixed all of
our problems. And it's like, do we not learn our
lesson from the hijacking of you know, when Islam took
over Iran, that's basically what they pitched to everybody was
(04:34):
free education, free healthcare, free all this kind of stuff.
And then and then the extreme Muslims uh took over Iran,
the same thing. When you look at any socialist empire,
they always promised this utopia where hey, we'll fix all
of your problems, you have free everything, there's gonna be
no more homeless. And then what happens The homelessness and
the poor go rampant because socialism never works, and that's
(04:54):
that's the that's the problem with what Elon Musk is now.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Pitching us also came out last week weeks ago and
said that to compete with Wikipedia, he was going to
put out Rockipedia. Now, Wikipedia, we all knows biased. It's
a little volunteers that sit around and they do researches
and they put stuff up in fact check things. But
it's volunteers, usually from a liberal bent, and it's known
to have a liberal bias. And so Rockipedia supposedly is
(05:19):
now out there and it's going to get rid of
the bias because it's all AI. Is it that? Though?
The problem that we think that AI is going to
be or is unbiased, but AI is only as dependable
or unbiased as it's programming is. Could it be that
we're going to go, oh, crocapedia, it's not biased, but
we could still get propagandized by AI. It's not impartial. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I think in everybody's mind there's this caricature of what
artificial intelligence is, which is different than what it really is.
And so when you're looking at this implementation of you know, Grockipedia,
whatever Elon's calling it now, it's really interesting because to
me by relying on something like this where you're taking
out the human element and you're just relying on on
the AI side of things, which what we're actually doing
(06:04):
is we're setting ourselves up to again believe in this
caricature that AI is is neutral, that AI is they're
only going to release the facts, They're only going to
tell us the truth. And then all it takes is
one stroke of a keyboard and then all of a
sudden it can go have like a variant to the truth,
or you know, a push a particular narrative or push propaganda.
(06:24):
And then when we when we believe that AI is
neutral and thus a platform like Grockipedia is neutral and
it's just giving us the facts, then it's very easy
to be manipulated. And especially when you start getting into
the some some more of these subjective interpretations of the
facts and the truth, and you know what that actually means.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Uh. You know, there's a lot of people and this
is this.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Is very unfortunate, but a lot of people rely on
you know, GROC and they say, oh, Grock is telling
me the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
If I want to fact junk, fact check something, I
need to go.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Talk to GROC. I need to ask GROC about this.
But I have numerous examples of people that I know
personally that have fact check GROC, that have proven it wrong,
and GROC will refuse to acknowledge that it was wrong
even when confronted with the facts. So if Grock can
be wrong, and it's probably been so a variety of times,
what does that mean about Growkipedia. We cannot rely on this,
(07:16):
just like we can't rely on Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There's a spat that our governor, Jared Polus in Colorado
got into with Ronda Santas and Florida, a little x
feud going back and forth, and I was reading it
last night. I just got back from the airport and
I was going to reading the spat that was going
on while I was gone, and I wanted to fact
check a couple of things. So I use perplexity. That's
my AI app of choice. I use perplexity because I
like it, because it gives me footnotes and I can
(07:41):
see the source. And somewhere in the research between Ronda
Santa's feud with Jared Poulos, it was about legalized marijuana
versus the quality of roads in America, something real geeks
were enjoying. Two governors are going back and forth about
who's better and who's worse. I saw this phrase and
it said, uh, from the right wing, extreme right wing
(08:03):
news agency just thenews dot com. Well, it's John Solomon's website,
and I think maybe has a conservative bent, but I
think it's pretty good straight reporting. It's better than a
lot of sites out there. I think it's less less
partisan than even like a Fox News. I think it's
a great sign. And so I clicked the source. Why
is it calling just thenews dot com extremely right wing?
(08:26):
Because you could say right leaning, but it's a pretty
much just the news website in my opinion. I clicked
it and it was pulling that phrase from USA Today
that was that was the source. But if anybody who
didn't click the footnote, you would have just said, oh,
just the News, that's an extreme right wing site and
it's not. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, and this and this is the problem with with
the again, how we've been sold this idea of what
artificial intelligence actually is. And I think that this is
where and this is where, you know, I've been very
critical and even you know, I love Joe Rogan and
I love his I love his podcast and all that.
But but he's even, you know, proposed this idea of
in the future, maybe maybe we'll have an AI, you know,
president that could be completely neutral, and you're just sitting
(09:06):
here like that's not ever going to happen, because the AI,
again is only as as biased or unbiased as the
its programmer, as this large language model, as its database,
and so somebody is always behind it kind of inputting
what information it's going to pull from. And so again
we've been sold this this idea that AI can be neutral,
(09:28):
that AI can be this arbiter of truth. But that's
just that that's just not the reality. And I think
when we see the implementation of this in a variety
of ways, it's deeply concerning about how this is going
to be used in order to manipulate the masses into
believing the Oh well AI told this or AI AI
fast tracked this FDA approval, or AI did this investigation
(09:48):
into the CIA or fill in the blank, whatever it
might be, and the people are, well, A, I did it,
It must be true. You take out that human element,
now there's no accountability. Then then the people that are
actually controlling the law to the English model, they're never
held accountable. So how do we actually move forward in
this era of we're sold this lie that AI is
neutral when a reality it's not, and it can be
(10:09):
used by the powers that be in order to manipulate
us in a variety of ways.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Again the voice of Jeff Dornick. He's the founder and
CEO of Pickaxe also, which is by the way, you
should get on is a groundbreaking social media platform built
on two uncompromising principles and that is my friend. That
is the freedom of the speech and the freedom of
the reach. And his newest book is called Following the Leader.
Jeff I started off this segment talking about AI and
(10:35):
classic toys and you may not want to get your
kid a computer too much screen time. There's some classic
toys out there, silly putty things like that the kids
actually still enjoy. As you kind of look at everybody's
in a screen. Adults, kids are in a screen. Everybody
wants something electronic for Christmas or the holiday season. How
(10:55):
do we avoid the trend? I mean it just we
tell our kids you can only play with silly putty.
We can't tell them, we can't cut them totally off
of electronics. I'm guessing, But how do we buck the
trend to where we become stay independent and use our
own intelligence as opposed to artificial intelligence as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well, it's it's funny because I'm I'm the I'm the
one tech guy that that doesn't let my son actually
play play with technology, and uh and so so it's
it's like for us, like no, no screens, no, no television,
doesn't have a phone, doesn't play in the iPad, doesn't
play the iPad, doesn't do those.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Kinds of games. What he's doing, he's building with legos.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
He's he's playing with it with the you know, magnetic
tiles or whatever it is. He's he's like literally he's
a three year old, can't read, but he's literally sitting
there reading books and just going through the pictures and
telling himself the stories. We read it over and over
and over again. Get outside and play, go out, go
to a park, go run around, get you know, get
out of it. Like do things like that. You know,
you know, you think things like legos, you know, helps
their dexterity, helps their mind, helps their creativity. You know,
(11:53):
give them crayons and in a piece of paper and
let them create something and come up with an idea like,
you know, go back, go back to the basics, because
what's happening with the technology, it's actually taking away our
kids' critical thinking skills. It's taking away their creativity for
a variety of things, like for example, if you just
sit them in front of the television to watch a show,
you know what it's actually doing. It's giving you the voice,
(12:15):
it's giving you the visual, it's giving you the storyline,
it's giving you everything. If you sat down and read
the exact same story, all they're getting is the audio.
All they're getting is you describing to them what they
now begin to imagine in their minds what they now
hear the voice. If you sit down and you read
Winnie the Pooh, they're gonna hear the character Tigger in
their mind. Their mind is going to have to create that,
(12:36):
whereas if they're sitting and watching TV, all they do
is vet you out because the TV is fulfilling all
those senses. And this is why we need to kind
of get back to the basics and realize that the
more we stick them in front in front of screens,
the more stunted they're going to be developmentally.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
It might be good shopping advice for Christmas there. I
asked my son one time, Jeff, he was about sixteen
seventeen years old, and he got only is about fourteen
or so, And I said, there's some countries that are
saying you shouldn't be on social media you're sixteen or seventeen.
And I thought I knew his answer, but I didn't.
I said, do you think that's a good rule. He says, yeah,
(13:11):
that's probably a really good rule. No one should be
on it. Even a fourteen thirteen, fourteen year old mister
Lakey knew that probably the social media crap that he
was on is not necessarily the best for you. Kids. Actually,
they're not as resistant as you think. I mean, there's
maybe some addiction going on there. But you put your
hand on a piece of paper, drawing the outline of
(13:31):
your finger, you can have fun making a turkey all
day long, and that little hands I like to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
When you think about it's like when you go to college,
it makes sense to be on social because everything goes
away from home oftentimes to go to a college whatever
it is that you can keep in touch with friends
and all that. But when you're in high school or
junior high or something like that. Like all of your
friends are like local, they're right there. You don't need
social media because you're gonna see them the next day at school.
So it's like, why fill them with all this propaganda
and all this manipulation and stunt the growth developmentally with
(14:01):
the technology that they don't actually need. Whereas you know,
when you get older, you get you get that, you
get the need for a social media to keep touch
with friends and know where they are and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Now you are the tech guy that's telling us not
to keep your kids off the tech. You have started
a social media platform hopefully avoiding some of that propaganda
that is out there. Talk about pick acts and uh
and why why it's different than these other social media platforms.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, honestly.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And it's been been really interesting because the last the
last two weekends I've been in uh, you know, last
last weekend, I was at the Children's Health Defense Conference.
The week before I was I was at a dream hack,
which is a big gamer convention in Atlanta, you know,
talking about pick acts and it's really interesting because the
thing that's really been hooking a lot of people is
is the lack of algorithms that that we have on
the platform and and in all reality, and I keep
pitching it, remember like like, look, you know you're the
(14:50):
algorithm because you decide what gets seen by what you
engage with, what you share and all that. I'm not
implementing this AI algorithm that's going to dictate what you're
going to see and artificially limit your ability to be seen.
Like if you if you go on to X right now,
you know, the algorithm decides whether you get seen. I've
got thirty two thousand followers on X I I, and
(15:10):
if I don't pay to boost a post, I won't
have more than one hundred and one hundred and fifty
views on any post. And I asked Grop the other day,
I'm like, why am I not getting any impressions? They
used to easily get thousands of impressions, and now I
can't give more than one hundred. We'll like, well, you're
a you're too opinionated, you're talking too much about politics,
you promote your show too much, and you promote pickacks
too much. So basically, if you want to get seen,
(15:32):
stop doing those things. And I'm like, so, what's the
point of being on here? I'm like, what kind of
post should I post? You could post memes, you could
post funny videos, you can post a joke you get
I'm like, so what is the point of social media
if if I can't freely express myself and the only
way to get seen is post generic garbage that basically
nobody actually cares about. But hey, it'll get engagement because
(15:53):
it'll make somebody laugh. Like, we're not supposed to be
forced all to be comedians in order to get to
be seen. So this is where a place from like
pickapps comes into play, where it's the free exchange of ideas.
You post your opinions. If people like it, or if
people have a thought or a comment or whatever it is,
guess what, you're gonna get seen more. And we're never
going to artificially limit your reach to your own audience.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And I think that's a huge key.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
If you're on all the rest of the social media platforms,
they're going to artificially limit your audience the people that
have chosen to follow you from actually seeing your content.
So that's really been the really big hook that a
lot of people have been resonating with. As I'm talking
to people at a lot of these events there.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
It is on the Screenpickax dot com. Get in on
the ground floor while you can. It's a newer social
media platform, and I'm on there. Look for me. I
have not been diligent in getting set up and established there,
but you can find me there and tell me you
found me there. That will give me reason to go
pay attention again, because I just get busy and need
to get it all set up and start screaming there.
(16:50):
Jeff Dornick, you also have the Jeff Dornick Show. You've
interviewed people from doctor Pierre Corey to cash Buttel general
Michael Flynn or In Bobert talked about the jet the
the Jeff Dornick Shows.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Sir, Yeah, no, definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So basically, I just sit down and I interview people
that I find interesting or I just want to kind
of pick the brain. Have a couple of really interesting
shows coming up. I'm gonna be having doing a special
episode with with Danessha Suza. Coming up, We're gonna be debate,
discussing and debating Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuintes and all that
whole kerfuffle that happened tomorrow at one o'clock Eastern actually
and you can just look up the Jeff Dornicks Show
on Rumble. I'm gonna have doctor Mary Tally Boden and
(17:28):
Rachel Alexander both on at the same time. We're gonna
have a three way conversation about Lawfair. And so doctor
Boden is gonna be talking about law Fair using the
medical boards in order to you know, deal with doctors,
and then Rachel Alexander's gonna be talking about how how
the the state bar associations are are are are using
law fair and weaponizing it against attorneys in order to
get them to not maybe not take particular cases that
(17:50):
conservatives might might want to pick up. So we're gonna
be talking about that and how and how they use
are using Lawfair in order to control people in specific
positions that actually have power and influence in order to
you know, kind of you know, hold them at bay.
So tomorrow's gonna be fascinating conversation at one o'clock Eastern
on the Jeff thorg Show.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And just looking up on Rumble or from Pickacks. I'm
sure it's Sarah as well, but the Jeff Dornick Show.
Just looking up you will find it there. And lastly,
you've wrote. Your latest book is is called Following the Leader.
I'll let you give the book plug in. Where can
people get it?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, definitely you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You guys can get it either on my website Jet
Dorney dot com or at Gatekeepers Online dot com, which
is the publishing you know company, So they definitely check
that out. But the book Following the Leader is really
just taking a look at how how propaganda works and
how there's this idea of the cult of personality that
everybody kind of buys into that really manipulates a lot
of people. And so, you know, we see this with Trump,
(18:42):
we see this with Bernie Sanders, we see this at
the AOC with fill in the blank, all the all
the different you know, influential people. You have this cult
of personality and they may say something that you used
to disagree with, but all of a sudden, your favorite
guy says it and you change your mind on it.
So so it's really you know, taking a look at
not only what do you believe, but why do you
believe it? And are you being manipulated by this idea
of the cult of personality. So you guys get the
(19:03):
book at Gatekeepers Online dot com and you guys can
pre order it and we'll be getting it out very
very soon.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Delilah's just handed me note and said, what age is
Jeff going to let his child have a screen and
to participate in the online world. No television, no iPad,
no computers. Now at the age of three. Have you
set the age of when that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Probably somewhere between the age of sixteen and eighteen. I
would guess that, Like, son's not getting phone until he's
probably sixteen, because that's when he drives in for safety
and all that kind of stuff. But even then, there's
all sorts of things, like I think there's like a
phone called the gab phone that severely limits their ability
their access to the online world. So they can have
access to the phone, text message to approve people, you know,
(19:44):
things like that. But yeah, probably not full access until
probably somewhere between sixteen and eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I heard that, did I've looked it up. I think
it's actually true. The guys in Silicon Valley, the big
guys of small guys, all send their kids to an
exclusive private school that doesn't it doesn't allow screen time.
They give it to the masses. But hey, you guys,
let your kids being doctrinated. They keep the electronics away
from their own children in Silicon Valley. Have you heard that?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Oh yeah, no, definitely, And a lot of it's because
they know they kind of technology that they're implementing or
in order to give you your dopamine hits to get
you addicted, to manipulate you. So they know what they're doing,
and they realize that they don't want their kids having
access to that kind of stuff as well, So you
know they want They're totally fine with you having your
kids on there, but their kids definitely not.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, they go to a private school that caters to
no electronics and no dopamine hits in that nature. Jeff Dornic,
it's a pleasure pickax dot com. People should get there
or following the leaders the name of the new book
and give the website again for the new book.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Sir, Yeah, go to gatekeepers online dot com best place
to pre order, and you guys can check out some
of the other books over there as well.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Jeff Dornic could pleasure my friend. I appreciate you hopping
on the program again. AI, my friends, AI. Now you
got to worry about AI during the Christmas holiday season,
I'll look it up and figure it out. All right,
ladies and gentlemen, speaking of getting back to simplicity, AI
is out there. It's haunting us. Maybe going to teach
your kids and curse words with the holiday season with
some foul mouth AI toys that are out there. Let
me welcome into the program our special guest, Jeff Dornick.
He's the founder and CEO of Pickaxe. Maybe you have
(00:21):
been there. If not, you should be. It's the groundbreaking
social media platform both built on two uncompromising principles. It's
built on the freedom of speech and the freedom of reach.
And his newest book is called Following the Leader. Jeff
Dornick back on the program. Jeff, welcome back, sir. How
are you doing really well? Thanks for having me back on. Well,
let's dive into this now we're getting here AI taking jobs,
(00:43):
or AI doing this or doing that. Now. I hear
that AI is going to affect Christmas because there's certain
Christmas toys that are gonna have some AI in them,
and some people are putting out of the toy website
said maybe there's going to be some naughty language coming
from these AI toys. So it's everywhere AI is just
absolutely everywhere. Now it's in the kids toys.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not surprised that the new trend
is is.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know, sticking AI into into kids toys.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I mean, we are we just we already saw that
trend begin with you know, like Elon Musk coming out
with Baby Grock, you know, and things like that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
But but now that we're dealing with the toys, I
think one of the concerns is like, Okay, if you're
putting AI into these toys, are these toys connected to
the internet. Is this a two way conversation that's going on,
because because if it is, but more than likely if it,
if it's AI, it is connecting to the internet with
a lot of these kinds of toys, then the AI
model is actually learning from what your kids say or
(01:41):
interact with it. And so then now it's more data
collection that they're funneling into their own large, large language
model to learn about your kids. Now now we're getting to,
you know, some pretty creepy invasive behavior there by these
big tech guys.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Let's talk about AI. The AI chip maker a route
and just dumped one of the A ship maker's just
thirty two million shares of Nvidia and is going to
invest thirty billion dollars into open Ai. Is this something
that affects any of us as it's just a stock
play pat in the pocket, or is this something we
should be paying attention to.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We should we should really be paying attention to it,
because because the the trajectory that these guys are heading
right now when it comes to artificial intelligence is systematically
centralizing the power and the control to a handful of
these you know, big tech oligarchs really and so this
is the problem, is that every step that they get
closer to further developing artificial intelligence, they're further centralizing the
(02:36):
power by centralizing all of the data and they're in
basically so now it is this kind of this incestuous
relationship now that we have where all these different big
tech companies now are kind of like cross investing with
each other. So they if they don't think that they
can actually defeat the rest of the AI companies, then
what they'll actually do is they're actually partnering with them.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
With what you just mentioned about them now investing into
you know, open ai even more extensively. So this is
one of the problems though, that we face as we
head into this future. As you know, you've guys, you've
got the report that came out by Bernie Sanders a
couple of months ago, as well as guys like Elon
Musk and Bill Gates and Sam Altman all talking about
the same thing, which is basically that artificial intelligence is
(03:18):
going to replace the need for human beings to be
in the workforce at all. What does that mean. It
means that it's going to centralize all the power and
all the resources, and all the manufacturing and all the
capabilities to these handful of companies that run the AI.
Elon Musk just posted a bunch of videos over the weekend.
You know, he was at some summit talking about the
future of AI and how AI is going to fix
(03:40):
all of our problems. And it was and it's really
interesting because because you know, he's kind of this Republican
you know, everybody, everybody loves him because he endorsed Trump,
although he kind of became divisive, but then now he's
kind of come back into the fold a little bit.
But it's really interesting because what he's picking to everybody
is that the optimist robot, which is which is fueled
by his you know Xai Grock, you know artificial intelligence
(04:02):
that that will basically solve all of our problems. It's
going to end in the poor, it's gonna it's gonna
end the need, the hunger's gonna eat all the all
the medical care issues, and it's gonna solve all of
our problems.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But what he's basically.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Pitching to us is this socialist utopia where basically we
all have universal basic income, we all just kind of
like live, we're all equal, and then the robots will
do all the all the you know, fixed all of
our problems. And it's like, do we not learn our
lesson from the hijacking of you know, when Islam took
over Iran, that's basically what they pitched to everybody was
(04:34):
free education, free healthcare, free all this kind of stuff.
And then and then the extreme Muslims uh took over Iran,
the same thing. When you look at any socialist empire,
they always promised this utopia where hey, we'll fix all
of your problems, you have free everything, there's gonna be
no more homeless. And then what happens The homelessness and
the poor go rampant because socialism never works, and that's
(04:54):
that's the that's the problem with what Elon Musk is now.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Pitching us also came out last week weeks ago and
said that to compete with Wikipedia, he was going to
put out Rockipedia. Now, Wikipedia, we all knows biased. It's
a little volunteers that sit around and they do researches
and they put stuff up in fact check things. But
it's volunteers, usually from a liberal bent, and it's known
to have a liberal bias. And so Rockipedia supposedly is
(05:19):
now out there and it's going to get rid of
the bias because it's all AI. Is it that? Though?
The problem that we think that AI is going to
be or is unbiased, but AI is only as dependable
or unbiased as it's programming is. Could it be that
we're going to go, oh, crocapedia, it's not biased, but
we could still get propagandized by AI. It's not impartial. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I think in everybody's mind there's this caricature of what
artificial intelligence is, which is different than what it really is.
And so when you're looking at this implementation of you know, Grockipedia,
whatever Elon's calling it now, it's really interesting because to
me by relying on something like this where you're taking
out the human element and you're just relying on on
the AI side of things, which what we're actually doing
(06:04):
is we're setting ourselves up to again believe in this
caricature that AI is is neutral, that AI is they're
only going to release the facts, They're only going to
tell us the truth. And then all it takes is
one stroke of a keyboard and then all of a
sudden it can go have like a variant to the truth,
or you know, a push a particular narrative or push propaganda.
(06:24):
And then when we when we believe that AI is
neutral and thus a platform like Grockipedia is neutral and
it's just giving us the facts, then it's very easy
to be manipulated. And especially when you start getting into
the some some more of these subjective interpretations of the
facts and the truth, and you know what that actually means.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Uh. You know, there's a lot of people and this
is this.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Is very unfortunate, but a lot of people rely on
you know, GROC and they say, oh, Grock is telling
me the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
If I want to fact junk, fact check something, I
need to go.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Talk to GROC. I need to ask GROC about this.
But I have numerous examples of people that I know
personally that have fact check GROC, that have proven it wrong,
and GROC will refuse to acknowledge that it was wrong
even when confronted with the facts. So if Grock can
be wrong, and it's probably been so a variety of times,
what does that mean about Growkipedia. We cannot rely on this,
(07:16):
just like we can't rely on Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There's a spat that our governor, Jared Polus in Colorado
got into with Ronda Santas and Florida, a little x
feud going back and forth, and I was reading it
last night. I just got back from the airport and
I was going to reading the spat that was going
on while I was gone, and I wanted to fact
check a couple of things. So I use perplexity. That's
my AI app of choice. I use perplexity because I
like it, because it gives me footnotes and I can
(07:41):
see the source. And somewhere in the research between Ronda
Santa's feud with Jared Poulos, it was about legalized marijuana
versus the quality of roads in America, something real geeks
were enjoying. Two governors are going back and forth about
who's better and who's worse. I saw this phrase and
it said, uh, from the right wing, extreme right wing
(08:03):
news agency just thenews dot com. Well, it's John Solomon's website,
and I think maybe has a conservative bent, but I
think it's pretty good straight reporting. It's better than a
lot of sites out there. I think it's less less
partisan than even like a Fox News. I think it's
a great sign. And so I clicked the source. Why
is it calling just thenews dot com extremely right wing?
(08:26):
Because you could say right leaning, but it's a pretty
much just the news website in my opinion. I clicked
it and it was pulling that phrase from USA Today
that was that was the source. But if anybody who
didn't click the footnote, you would have just said, oh,
just the News, that's an extreme right wing site and
it's not. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, and this and this is the problem with with
the again, how we've been sold this idea of what
artificial intelligence actually is. And I think that this is
where and this is where, you know, I've been very
critical and even you know, I love Joe Rogan and
I love his I love his podcast and all that.
But but he's even, you know, proposed this idea of
in the future, maybe maybe we'll have an AI, you know,
president that could be completely neutral, and you're just sitting
(09:06):
here like that's not ever going to happen, because the AI,
again is only as as biased or unbiased as the
its programmer, as this large language model, as its database,
and so somebody is always behind it kind of inputting
what information it's going to pull from. And so again
we've been sold this this idea that AI can be neutral,
(09:28):
that AI can be this arbiter of truth. But that's
just that that's just not the reality. And I think
when we see the implementation of this in a variety
of ways, it's deeply concerning about how this is going
to be used in order to manipulate the masses into
believing the Oh well AI told this or AI AI
fast tracked this FDA approval, or AI did this investigation
(09:48):
into the CIA or fill in the blank, whatever it
might be, and the people are, well, A, I did it,
It must be true. You take out that human element,
now there's no accountability. Then then the people that are
actually controlling the law to the English model, they're never
held accountable. So how do we actually move forward in
this era of we're sold this lie that AI is
neutral when a reality it's not, and it can be
(10:09):
used by the powers that be in order to manipulate
us in a variety of ways.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Again the voice of Jeff Dornick. He's the founder and
CEO of Pickaxe also, which is by the way, you
should get on is a groundbreaking social media platform built
on two uncompromising principles and that is my friend. That
is the freedom of the speech and the freedom of
the reach. And his newest book is called Following the Leader.
Jeff I started off this segment talking about AI and
(10:35):
classic toys and you may not want to get your
kid a computer too much screen time. There's some classic
toys out there, silly putty things like that the kids
actually still enjoy. As you kind of look at everybody's
in a screen. Adults, kids are in a screen. Everybody
wants something electronic for Christmas or the holiday season. How
(10:55):
do we avoid the trend? I mean it just we
tell our kids you can only play with silly putty.
We can't tell them, we can't cut them totally off
of electronics. I'm guessing, But how do we buck the
trend to where we become stay independent and use our
own intelligence as opposed to artificial intelligence as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well, it's it's funny because I'm I'm the I'm the
one tech guy that that doesn't let my son actually
play play with technology, and uh and so so it's
it's like for us, like no, no screens, no, no television,
doesn't have a phone, doesn't play in the iPad, doesn't
play the iPad, doesn't do those.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Kinds of games. What he's doing, he's building with legos.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
He's he's playing with it with the you know, magnetic
tiles or whatever it is. He's he's like literally he's
a three year old, can't read, but he's literally sitting
there reading books and just going through the pictures and
telling himself the stories. We read it over and over
and over again. Get outside and play, go out, go
to a park, go run around, get you know, get
out of it. Like do things like that. You know,
you know, you think things like legos, you know, helps
their dexterity, helps their mind, helps their creativity. You know,
(11:53):
give them crayons and in a piece of paper and
let them create something and come up with an idea like,
you know, go back, go back to the basics, because
what's happening with the technology, it's actually taking away our
kids' critical thinking skills. It's taking away their creativity for
a variety of things, like for example, if you just
sit them in front of the television to watch a show,
you know what it's actually doing. It's giving you the voice,
(12:15):
it's giving you the visual, it's giving you the storyline,
it's giving you everything. If you sat down and read
the exact same story, all they're getting is the audio.
All they're getting is you describing to them what they
now begin to imagine in their minds what they now
hear the voice. If you sit down and you read
Winnie the Pooh, they're gonna hear the character Tigger in
their mind. Their mind is going to have to create that,
(12:36):
whereas if they're sitting and watching TV, all they do
is vet you out because the TV is fulfilling all
those senses. And this is why we need to kind
of get back to the basics and realize that the
more we stick them in front in front of screens,
the more stunted they're going to be developmentally.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
It might be good shopping advice for Christmas there. I
asked my son one time, Jeff, he was about sixteen
seventeen years old, and he got only is about fourteen
or so, And I said, there's some countries that are
saying you shouldn't be on social media you're sixteen or seventeen.
And I thought I knew his answer, but I didn't.
I said, do you think that's a good rule. He says, yeah,
(13:11):
that's probably a really good rule. No one should be
on it. Even a fourteen thirteen, fourteen year old mister
Lakey knew that probably the social media crap that he
was on is not necessarily the best for you. Kids. Actually,
they're not as resistant as you think. I mean, there's
maybe some addiction going on there. But you put your
hand on a piece of paper, drawing the outline of
(13:31):
your finger, you can have fun making a turkey all
day long, and that little hands I like to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
When you think about it's like when you go to college,
it makes sense to be on social because everything goes
away from home oftentimes to go to a college whatever
it is that you can keep in touch with friends
and all that. But when you're in high school or
junior high or something like that. Like all of your
friends are like local, they're right there. You don't need
social media because you're gonna see them the next day at school.
So it's like, why fill them with all this propaganda
and all this manipulation and stunt the growth developmentally with
(14:01):
the technology that they don't actually need. Whereas you know,
when you get older, you get you get that, you
get the need for a social media to keep touch
with friends and know where they are and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Now you are the tech guy that's telling us not
to keep your kids off the tech. You have started
a social media platform hopefully avoiding some of that propaganda
that is out there. Talk about pick acts and uh
and why why it's different than these other social media platforms.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, honestly.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And it's been been really interesting because the last the
last two weekends I've been in uh, you know, last
last weekend, I was at the Children's Health Defense Conference.
The week before I was I was at a dream hack,
which is a big gamer convention in Atlanta, you know,
talking about pick acts and it's really interesting because the
thing that's really been hooking a lot of people is
is the lack of algorithms that that we have on
the platform and and in all reality, and I keep
pitching it, remember like like, look, you know you're the
(14:50):
algorithm because you decide what gets seen by what you
engage with, what you share and all that. I'm not
implementing this AI algorithm that's going to dictate what you're
going to see and artificially limit your ability to be seen.
Like if you if you go on to X right now,
you know, the algorithm decides whether you get seen. I've
got thirty two thousand followers on X I I, and
(15:10):
if I don't pay to boost a post, I won't
have more than one hundred and one hundred and fifty
views on any post. And I asked Grop the other day,
I'm like, why am I not getting any impressions? They
used to easily get thousands of impressions, and now I
can't give more than one hundred. We'll like, well, you're
a you're too opinionated, you're talking too much about politics,
you promote your show too much, and you promote pickacks
too much. So basically, if you want to get seen,
(15:32):
stop doing those things. And I'm like, so, what's the
point of being on here? I'm like, what kind of
post should I post? You could post memes, you could
post funny videos, you can post a joke you get
I'm like, so what is the point of social media
if if I can't freely express myself and the only
way to get seen is post generic garbage that basically
nobody actually cares about. But hey, it'll get engagement because
(15:53):
it'll make somebody laugh. Like, we're not supposed to be
forced all to be comedians in order to get to
be seen. So this is where a place from like
pickapps comes into play, where it's the free exchange of ideas.
You post your opinions. If people like it, or if
people have a thought or a comment or whatever it is,
guess what, you're gonna get seen more. And we're never
going to artificially limit your reach to your own audience.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And I think that's a huge key.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
If you're on all the rest of the social media platforms,
they're going to artificially limit your audience the people that
have chosen to follow you from actually seeing your content.
So that's really been the really big hook that a
lot of people have been resonating with. As I'm talking
to people at a lot of these events there.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
It is on the Screenpickax dot com. Get in on
the ground floor while you can. It's a newer social
media platform, and I'm on there. Look for me. I
have not been diligent in getting set up and established there,
but you can find me there and tell me you
found me there. That will give me reason to go
pay attention again, because I just get busy and need
to get it all set up and start screaming there.
(16:50):
Jeff Dornick, you also have the Jeff Dornick Show. You've
interviewed people from doctor Pierre Corey to cash Buttel general
Michael Flynn or In Bobert talked about the jet the
the Jeff Dornick Shows.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Sir, Yeah, no, definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So basically, I just sit down and I interview people
that I find interesting or I just want to kind
of pick the brain. Have a couple of really interesting
shows coming up. I'm gonna be having doing a special
episode with with Danessha Suza. Coming up, We're gonna be debate,
discussing and debating Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuintes and all that
whole kerfuffle that happened tomorrow at one o'clock Eastern actually
and you can just look up the Jeff Dornicks Show
on Rumble. I'm gonna have doctor Mary Tally Boden and
(17:28):
Rachel Alexander both on at the same time. We're gonna
have a three way conversation about Lawfair. And so doctor
Boden is gonna be talking about law Fair using the
medical boards in order to you know, deal with doctors,
and then Rachel Alexander's gonna be talking about how how
the the state bar associations are are are are using
law fair and weaponizing it against attorneys in order to
get them to not maybe not take particular cases that
(17:50):
conservatives might might want to pick up. So we're gonna
be talking about that and how and how they use
are using Lawfair in order to control people in specific
positions that actually have power and influence in order to
you know, kind of you know, hold them at bay.
So tomorrow's gonna be fascinating conversation at one o'clock Eastern
on the Jeff thorg Show.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And just looking up on Rumble or from Pickacks. I'm
sure it's Sarah as well, but the Jeff Dornick Show.
Just looking up you will find it there. And lastly,
you've wrote. Your latest book is is called Following the Leader.
I'll let you give the book plug in. Where can
people get it?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, definitely you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You guys can get it either on my website Jet
Dorney dot com or at Gatekeepers Online dot com, which
is the publishing you know company, So they definitely check
that out. But the book Following the Leader is really
just taking a look at how how propaganda works and
how there's this idea of the cult of personality that
everybody kind of buys into that really manipulates a lot
of people. And so, you know, we see this with Trump,
(18:42):
we see this with Bernie Sanders, we see this at
the AOC with fill in the blank, all the all
the different you know, influential people. You have this cult
of personality and they may say something that you used
to disagree with, but all of a sudden, your favorite
guy says it and you change your mind on it.
So so it's really you know, taking a look at
not only what do you believe, but why do you
believe it? And are you being manipulated by this idea
of the cult of personality. So you guys get the
(19:03):
book at Gatekeepers Online dot com and you guys can
pre order it and we'll be getting it out very
very soon.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Delilah's just handed me note and said, what age is
Jeff going to let his child have a screen and
to participate in the online world. No television, no iPad,
no computers. Now at the age of three. Have you
set the age of when that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Probably somewhere between the age of sixteen and eighteen. I
would guess that, Like, son's not getting phone until he's
probably sixteen, because that's when he drives in for safety
and all that kind of stuff. But even then, there's
all sorts of things, like I think there's like a
phone called the gab phone that severely limits their ability
their access to the online world. So they can have
access to the phone, text message to approve people, you know,
(19:44):
things like that. But yeah, probably not full access until
probably somewhere between sixteen and eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I heard that, did I've looked it up. I think
it's actually true. The guys in Silicon Valley, the big
guys of small guys, all send their kids to an
exclusive private school that doesn't it doesn't allow screen time.
They give it to the masses. But hey, you guys,
let your kids being doctrinated. They keep the electronics away
from their own children in Silicon Valley. Have you heard that?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Oh yeah, no, definitely, And a lot of it's because
they know they kind of technology that they're implementing or
in order to give you your dopamine hits to get
you addicted, to manipulate you. So they know what they're doing,
and they realize that they don't want their kids having
access to that kind of stuff as well, So you
know they want They're totally fine with you having your
kids on there, but their kids definitely not.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, they go to a private school that caters to
no electronics and no dopamine hits in that nature. Jeff Dornic,
it's a pleasure pickax dot com. People should get there
or following the leaders the name of the new book
and give the website again for the new book.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Sir, Yeah, go to gatekeepers online dot com best place
to pre order, and you guys can check out some
of the other books over there as well.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Jeff Dornic could pleasure my friend. I appreciate you hopping
on the program again. AI, my friends, AI. Now you
got to worry about AI during the Christmas holiday season,
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