October 30, 2025 • 18 mins
Jeff Dornik joins The Gary Jeff Walker Radio Show for a bold and prophetic conversation exposing how Artificial Intelligence is being weaponized to strip away human purpose, creativity, and ownership. As the global elite push a future where people exist only as consumers in a machine-run world, Jeff reveals how Pickax is pioneering a human-first alternative—a platform where authenticity, truth, and creation once again belong to the individual, not the algorithm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How is social media impacting our lives? And we'll impact
our lives automation. What are Bill Gates and Elon Musk's
plan for humanity other than maybe to eliminate us? Famous
quotes by Bill Gates along the way years ago he said,
I think the Earth's population really should be about five
(00:21):
hundred million.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We've got to find a way to get there.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
All the other nonsense that you've heard, and is it
all just fear mongering or do we really have something
to fear from AI and social media in the digital age?
A guy that's our guest next is a CEO and
founder of Pickax, a groundbreaking social media platform built on
(00:47):
two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
His newest book is called Following the Leader, and we
welcome him now. Jeff Dornick, thanks for coming on the night,
captain on seven other WLW.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you doing really well? Thanks for me, I've
been looking forward to chat with you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, me too when I found out you were available.
This is right down my alley of stuff I want
to expose and talk about because so many people have
questions on our future and how technology plays a role,
and you know, for decades. I know this is true,
(01:28):
that we've been sold that technology is our savior, that
innovation is progress. And it's so funny, Jeff. The more
I look at what some people call progress, I find
very regressive and very anti human And you may find
the same thing. But tell me again about pickacts first,
(01:51):
and then about how you're trying to maybe bridge that
gap between technology and humanity. Tell me about pickaxes.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So with with pickax it's a social media platform that
we've that we've developed, been building it up for a
couple of years now, and we the web versions out
right now.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The we're dropping the iOS and android app here in
the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And you know, the whole idea is just how can
we have the most human centered social media platform on
the on the planet.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So everything we do is from the.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
From the perspective of how do we help human content creators?
How do we help you know, writers, journalists, rumble, live streamers,
you know, you know, people with podcasts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
How do we help them all?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Because what's happening on these you know, mainstream social media
platforms is that they're they're leaning very heavily in artificial intelligence,
and they're leaning very heavily into algorithms, and Elon Must
just the other day just just announced that they're going
to now essentially make it to where you're following, so
the number of people that follow you has no bearing
(02:55):
on your ability to be seen.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Now it's just all going to be based on A
and the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So now your your job, essentially, according to Elon, is
to write content that the algorithm likes, that the AI likes,
and then the AI will decide whether your content gets
seen as opposed to you being able to build your
own community, build your own audience and all that. So
with Pickaxe, what we're doing is we're just we're making
it to where you can build an actually your own audience,
(03:22):
and you can have direct access to your own audience.
We're not going to get in the way, we're not
going to get in the middle. And then we're just
developing a whole bunch of features that helped to amplify that.
And the way that I've set up our business model
is that we only whin we only we only generate
revenue as a platform when we help our human content
creators to actually thrive and succeed. So it's just a
(03:43):
completely different outlook on social media, and it's kind of
like we're taking it back to the way that social
media was intended to be, which is social.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So that's what we're trying to do at Pickaxe Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Now, let me ask you this I've been told by
other people in the know, is that soon there will
be no human generated contact or I'm sorry, there'll be
no human generated content on the Internet at all because
AI is now just regurgitating AI. And the problem with
(04:17):
AI not only the algorithms and writing to what it
likes according based on the algorithms, but AI has been
known to hallucinate and just entirely make things up. You
find that that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, it's definitely true.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And also to you know, we also have to remember
the AI is only as good as the as the
database that pulls information from it, and only as good
as the bias that the programmer programs into it. But
it's interesting too because Mark Zuckerberg is investing I think
it's sixty five billion dollars into developing artificial intelligence specifically
for the purpose of creating AI generated content creators, and
(05:00):
their endgame is to actually turn humans on Facebook and
Instagram into consumers only, and that they would then use
AI to be the content creators. And then that way,
as like Zuckerberg could say, oh, yeah, we're a free
speech platform. Well yeah, because you control the speech that's
on there, and you control the creators that are on there,
and then which makes it easier for you to sell
(05:22):
advertising and promote whatever narratives you want to promote and
all that so and also too then then they won't
have to do any kind of revenue share with their
content creators that are on their platform.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So that's that's where they're going.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And I think that you know, when we look at
what's happening on all these tech platforms, and you know,
they're using us, the people, in order to fuel their AI,
which in their mind is going to replace us. For example,
a lot of people don't realize this, but recently Elon
Must sold X essentially to himself, but X is now
owned by x Ai. So x AI owns x Y
(05:59):
because X is the database that they're pulling all.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The information from.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So all of our tweets, all of our posts on
X are going in order to build up the artificial
intelligence that is going to replace us as the content
creators like make it make sense, well.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Not only replace us on the internet in social media,
but replace all of it. What is the danger of
AI completely taking over the technology, completely taking over and
rendering millions upon millions of human jobs obsolete. Are we
(06:35):
at that point yet? Is it going to happen within
the next decade or are there too many problems with
AI that it will fall under its own weight.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, so there's a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
One I think is that you know, as I'm listening
to a lot of people in the tech world, and
they're all saying that that they're consider that there's an
AI bubble, which I kind of agree with, and I
kind of disagree with that. I agree that there's an
AI bubble in this that I think that they're investing
way too much money into it, that some of these
companies are not going to be able to generate enough
revenue based upon their hundreds of billions of dollars of investment,
(07:11):
and so a lot of the big tech companies that
we see are either going to go out of business
or restructure or something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
However, also you listen to a lot of.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
These guys that are developing the AI they see AI
is replacing not just one hundred million jobs, fifty million jobs,
one hundred fe like they're talking about replacing all human jobs.
So there's no need for humans to be in the workforce.
And this is leading to, you know, conversations about universal
basic income, or as Sam Altman is actually proposing that
(07:40):
instead of you having ubi from the government, that you
would have what they call a dividend coming from these
tech companies that would pay you to basically not work.
And so basically now instead of there being a universal
based skin come from the government, where okay, if the government,
you know, violates your constitutional rights, you.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Could you know, take it to court and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But if you have a private entity that you rely
upon for your revenue, and all of a sudden they say, well, yeah, well,
we don't like what you talk about, we don't like
your focus, we don't like what you're spending your money on,
so we're going to cut you off. They don't have
a constitutional responsibility to protect your free speech rights or
your First Amendment rights or anything along those lines, where
as the government would. So now basically these tech companies,
(08:21):
if it goes as planned, are going to have more
power over your life, and they can actually implement the
censorship that we've been opposed to for so long in
a way that the government never could. This is far
more dangerous if this continues down the trajectory that we're
heading in than anything that the government could ever do.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's like the digital ID that the UN has proposed.
It would control every aspect of your life through technology,
and through this digital so called digital ID, it's kind
of like the digital dollar and everything. You not being
able to have any control over your buying power over
(09:00):
things that you want to buy, or maybe as you said,
being cut off completely because they don't like your social
credit score i e. Communist China, right.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Right, Well, and and that's where it's it's it's an
interesting conversation especially about the digital ID and UH and
you know, digital currency and all that, because I think
you know, there's obviously there's a push, especially in the
European countries to to make it by the force of law.
We're seeing this in the United Kingdom and some of
some of these other places. There's there's been conversations about
happening here in the United States. And what I've actually
(09:33):
been been theorizing I guess you could say, is I
don't think that that would actually hold up, you know,
under under you know courts and Supreme Court and all
that kind of stuff, because it was it would be
widely unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
However, what would.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Happen if all of a sudden, let's say a company
like x or open ai or one of these artificial
intelligence companies comes in and says, hey, you know, that's fine.
You don't legally have to according to the United States government,
but on our plant, you have to have a digital ID,
and you have to have UH and we're going to
implement a social credit score, which they're already doing. They're
actually ranking you on X right now, zero to ninety nine.
(10:09):
And then based upon that credit score, that social credit
score will depend on how likely you're to be seen
within their algorithms and in the new speed and trending
and all that kind of stuff. So imagine that, now
you know, Elon's already talking about developing his own currency.
Let's say let's say that they require you to have
some sort of digital ID in order to be a
part of their ecosystem. And as they continue to expand,
(10:31):
then maybe more companies begin to adopt this new technology
and ID and social credit score and all that to
where again, they're bypassing the government where there'd be a
lot of legal hoops in order to implement it, to
where now it would be a quote unquote voluntary opt
opt in digital ID or social credit score, central bank,
digital currency, the whole deal, to where to where they
(10:53):
could actually get away with doing the mass censorship and
having complete control over your life. So unless we create
some sort of alternative ecosystem that's completely separated from AI,
we're all kind of screwed because what legal recourse do
you have if a private company violates your constitutional rights?
We don't have any because that's only there in order
(11:14):
to prevent the federal government from violating whites, not necessarily
a private company.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Have you received any pushback on Pickaggs from these other
giants and how do you protect yourself against because they
have a lot of money and a lot of power, Chef.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, we haven't as of yet, and again just because
we're technically under pre launch right now, so we've got
to get web burdened out now.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Actually are going to be dropping soon. But I'm fully
prepared for there being some.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Sort of pushback, blowback you know, at tax things like that,
and so we're taking a variety of precautions, everything from
you know, servers and having backups to where if one
server takes us down, we can just flip a switch
and instantaneously be back up live. So you know, we're
going to everything with our eyes wide open, knowing that
that there's going to be pushed back because we're going
(12:02):
against the grain, We're going against the system, and we're
creating a space that is very centered on human beings
and ultimately trying to create an alternative ecosystem to where,
you know, if all this kind of stuff comes to pass,
as as I've been predicting that there will be a
human centered space that you know, we're not living in
(12:23):
the Pixar movie Wally, like like Elon mus says, we're
going to end up being but we're actually going to
be able to have you know, human to human connection
in community and creativity and all that kind of stuff.
So I know there will be pushed back, and we
have certain things in place in order to bypass that
as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Good because they believe me, if you start making waves
with Pickax, you know that those ripples will finally be
noticed by the people you've been talking about and the
powers that be in the tech world, and they will
either try and swallow you up or neuter you somehow
(13:00):
and keep you from, you know, disrupting their evil plans.
Tell me about following the leader the book.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So yeah, so that's a that's a book that I've
been I've been working on a writing and should should
be able to get it all wrapped up and finished soon.
But the whole idea, So in one of my first
books that that I put together, it was a group
book project that I brought together a bunch of pastors
and theologians and all that talking about different issues facing
the church.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And one of the chapters that I wrote in that.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Book was about the evangelical cult of personality and how
a lot of these make a church pastors within Christianity
almost set up their own mini cult within the Christian
ecosystem to where you completely rely upon them for all
of your theological training and teaching, and whatever they say goes,
and you're kind of taught not to question them, and
(13:51):
just well, they're the most trained experts in their fields,
so you have to just believe them, and then you
follow them and then they they end up use and
abuse their people in.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Order to build up their wealth.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
They've set up all sorts of different you know, kinds
of nonprofits all over the place that they're bringing in.
They're just raking in the money all that kind of stuff,
and they have ultimate control and power and all that.
And when I looked at a lot of them, I
realize a lot of them are using certain cult tactics
in order to manipulate their base into you know, essentially
playing follow the leader. Well then I started seeing, well,
(14:20):
this isn't just happening within the church, This is happening
within the political sphere. This is happening within mainstream society
as well. So I started researching them, and that's really
what led into following the Leader. And as I was
researching this, I realized, well, you know, you take this
back to scientology, and you take this back to Jim
Jones and Charles Manson and a lot of these different cults.
It's all the same tactics that are being used. And
(14:42):
so then I started researching the cults and looking into
and looking into all of that, and you know, things
like MK ultra and brainwashing and all that, and you
realize well, there's a lot of the same tactics there,
and then a lot of these leaders have direct ties
with an intelligence agency of some kind, and you're like,
what's going on here? So you know, as I'm looking, yeah, this,
it makes perfect sense that I think a lot of
(15:02):
these cults going way back, we're kind of testing grounds
in order in order for to see how do you
get normal everyday people coming off the street to either
come in and believe something insane, do some sort of
atrocious thing that you would never that no human being
would do, like Charles Manson going around and just mass
murdering people, and how do they do that? So I
(15:23):
started looking at this and it was like, you know,
you start with a basic lie, you build upon that,
you build upon that, you build upon.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That until you believe something absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And we saw that happen with COVID, We see that
happening today in politics, we see that happening about Trump,
We see that happening everywhere. And so so my theory
that I posited in the book is basically that you
have the intelligence agencies or some kind of power that
that's involved that use the cults as testing grounds, and
then now they're playing out these tactics on a mass,
(15:51):
mass scale. And then the question is or have you
been taken in by some sort of cult tactic? And
that can happen on the left, it can happen on
the right, And so the thing is to be self
reflect take a look at our lives and figure out
what do I believe? Not just what do I believe,
but why do I believe it? Am I just a
parent that's repeating what somebody else said? Or do I
actually know that it's true? So that's really the whole
(16:12):
theory behind the book. I guess you could say, well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
As a believing Christian, I know that Jesus Christ is
my sales savior. No man is my savior, whether it
be a president or a congressman or an evangelical preacher
with a large following. You know, you can go through
the litany of names, which we don't need to do.
Everybody knows what we're talking about. I think. But my
(16:36):
issue is that these cult like tactics are these basic
cults that are predicated on the lie you know that
you've got to follow this one human being, this man
to find your path to salvation. Is that it turns
people off of real scripturally based Christianity, you know what
(16:58):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, No, absolutely, And I think I think it also
that one of the one of the problems is is
that a lot of times in in this these kind
of like cult mindsets, whether you're talking about within Christianity
or within politics, they they really try to persuade you
not to question anything and and not to not to actually,
you know, do your own research and figure it out
(17:20):
and all that. And I think that that's that's that's
one of the really big things that I really want
to encourage people to is break away from this mentality
of you're not supposed to question, like question everything, because
because the truth, if you are a true secret of
the truth, you read you read the Bible, you know,
from in the political sphere, obviously, you read the Constitution,
you read the Founding documents, you go through all that.
(17:42):
The truth is there, you go find it. But but
you also have to be humble enough to realize that
maybe I miss something, maybe I'm wrong. And so for me,
I have a lot of conversations with a lot of
people from a lot of different perspectives, and I go
into everything believing what I believe one hundred percent but
I'm also open to the idea that possibly the other
person I have an argument where I need to go
back and I need to look at what I believe
(18:03):
and say, Okay, did my belief hold up the scrutiny
or do I need to maybe reconsider something, tweet something,
change something.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Jeff, we're out of time, but I appreciate yours. Pickaxe
is this new human based social media that Jeff Dornick
and his group have launched. And you know, we'll check
back in and see when you're up and running.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Jeff, Okay, sounds good. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's the Nightcap and it continues right after news on
seven hundred WLW
How is social media impacting our lives? And we'll impact
our lives automation. What are Bill Gates and Elon Musk's
plan for humanity other than maybe to eliminate us? Famous
quotes by Bill Gates along the way years ago he said,
I think the Earth's population really should be about five
(00:21):
hundred million.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We've got to find a way to get there.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
All the other nonsense that you've heard, and is it
all just fear mongering or do we really have something
to fear from AI and social media in the digital age?
A guy that's our guest next is a CEO and
founder of Pickax, a groundbreaking social media platform built on
(00:47):
two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
His newest book is called Following the Leader, and we
welcome him now. Jeff Dornick, thanks for coming on the night,
captain on seven other WLW.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you doing really well? Thanks for me, I've
been looking forward to chat with you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, me too when I found out you were available.
This is right down my alley of stuff I want
to expose and talk about because so many people have
questions on our future and how technology plays a role,
and you know, for decades. I know this is true,
(01:28):
that we've been sold that technology is our savior, that
innovation is progress. And it's so funny, Jeff. The more
I look at what some people call progress, I find
very regressive and very anti human And you may find
the same thing. But tell me again about pickacts first,
(01:51):
and then about how you're trying to maybe bridge that
gap between technology and humanity. Tell me about pickaxes.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So with with pickax it's a social media platform that
we've that we've developed, been building it up for a
couple of years now, and we the web versions out
right now.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The we're dropping the iOS and android app here in
the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And you know, the whole idea is just how can
we have the most human centered social media platform on
the on the planet.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So everything we do is from the.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
From the perspective of how do we help human content creators?
How do we help you know, writers, journalists, rumble, live streamers,
you know, you know, people with podcasts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
How do we help them all?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Because what's happening on these you know, mainstream social media
platforms is that they're they're leaning very heavily in artificial intelligence,
and they're leaning very heavily into algorithms, and Elon Must
just the other day just just announced that they're going
to now essentially make it to where you're following, so
the number of people that follow you has no bearing
(02:55):
on your ability to be seen.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Now it's just all going to be based on A
and the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So now your your job, essentially, according to Elon, is
to write content that the algorithm likes, that the AI likes,
and then the AI will decide whether your content gets
seen as opposed to you being able to build your
own community, build your own audience and all that. So
with Pickaxe, what we're doing is we're just we're making
it to where you can build an actually your own audience,
(03:22):
and you can have direct access to your own audience.
We're not going to get in the way, we're not
going to get in the middle. And then we're just
developing a whole bunch of features that helped to amplify that.
And the way that I've set up our business model
is that we only whin we only we only generate
revenue as a platform when we help our human content
creators to actually thrive and succeed. So it's just a
(03:43):
completely different outlook on social media, and it's kind of
like we're taking it back to the way that social
media was intended to be, which is social.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So that's what we're trying to do at Pickaxe Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Now, let me ask you this I've been told by
other people in the know, is that soon there will
be no human generated contact or I'm sorry, there'll be
no human generated content on the Internet at all because
AI is now just regurgitating AI. And the problem with
(04:17):
AI not only the algorithms and writing to what it
likes according based on the algorithms, but AI has been
known to hallucinate and just entirely make things up. You
find that that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, it's definitely true.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And also to you know, we also have to remember
the AI is only as good as the as the
database that pulls information from it, and only as good
as the bias that the programmer programs into it. But
it's interesting too because Mark Zuckerberg is investing I think
it's sixty five billion dollars into developing artificial intelligence specifically
for the purpose of creating AI generated content creators, and
(05:00):
their endgame is to actually turn humans on Facebook and
Instagram into consumers only, and that they would then use
AI to be the content creators. And then that way,
as like Zuckerberg could say, oh, yeah, we're a free
speech platform. Well yeah, because you control the speech that's
on there, and you control the creators that are on there,
and then which makes it easier for you to sell
(05:22):
advertising and promote whatever narratives you want to promote and
all that so and also too then then they won't
have to do any kind of revenue share with their
content creators that are on their platform.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So that's that's where they're going.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And I think that you know, when we look at
what's happening on all these tech platforms, and you know,
they're using us, the people, in order to fuel their AI,
which in their mind is going to replace us. For example,
a lot of people don't realize this, but recently Elon
Must sold X essentially to himself, but X is now
owned by x Ai. So x AI owns x Y
(05:59):
because X is the database that they're pulling all.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The information from.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So all of our tweets, all of our posts on
X are going in order to build up the artificial
intelligence that is going to replace us as the content
creators like make it make sense, well.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Not only replace us on the internet in social media,
but replace all of it. What is the danger of
AI completely taking over the technology, completely taking over and
rendering millions upon millions of human jobs obsolete. Are we
(06:35):
at that point yet? Is it going to happen within
the next decade or are there too many problems with
AI that it will fall under its own weight.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, so there's a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
One I think is that you know, as I'm listening
to a lot of people in the tech world, and
they're all saying that that they're consider that there's an
AI bubble, which I kind of agree with, and I
kind of disagree with that. I agree that there's an
AI bubble in this that I think that they're investing
way too much money into it, that some of these
companies are not going to be able to generate enough
revenue based upon their hundreds of billions of dollars of investment,
(07:11):
and so a lot of the big tech companies that
we see are either going to go out of business
or restructure or something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
However, also you listen to a lot of.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
These guys that are developing the AI they see AI
is replacing not just one hundred million jobs, fifty million jobs,
one hundred fe like they're talking about replacing all human jobs.
So there's no need for humans to be in the workforce.
And this is leading to, you know, conversations about universal
basic income, or as Sam Altman is actually proposing that
(07:40):
instead of you having ubi from the government, that you
would have what they call a dividend coming from these
tech companies that would pay you to basically not work.
And so basically now instead of there being a universal
based skin come from the government, where okay, if the government,
you know, violates your constitutional rights, you.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Could you know, take it to court and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But if you have a private entity that you rely
upon for your revenue, and all of a sudden they say, well, yeah, well,
we don't like what you talk about, we don't like
your focus, we don't like what you're spending your money on,
so we're going to cut you off. They don't have
a constitutional responsibility to protect your free speech rights or
your First Amendment rights or anything along those lines, where
as the government would. So now basically these tech companies,
(08:21):
if it goes as planned, are going to have more
power over your life, and they can actually implement the
censorship that we've been opposed to for so long in
a way that the government never could. This is far
more dangerous if this continues down the trajectory that we're
heading in than anything that the government could ever do.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's like the digital ID that the UN has proposed.
It would control every aspect of your life through technology,
and through this digital so called digital ID, it's kind
of like the digital dollar and everything. You not being
able to have any control over your buying power over
(09:00):
things that you want to buy, or maybe as you said,
being cut off completely because they don't like your social
credit score i e. Communist China, right.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Right, Well, and and that's where it's it's it's an
interesting conversation especially about the digital ID and UH and
you know, digital currency and all that, because I think
you know, there's obviously there's a push, especially in the
European countries to to make it by the force of law.
We're seeing this in the United Kingdom and some of
some of these other places. There's there's been conversations about
happening here in the United States. And what I've actually
(09:33):
been been theorizing I guess you could say, is I
don't think that that would actually hold up, you know,
under under you know courts and Supreme Court and all
that kind of stuff, because it was it would be
widely unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
However, what would.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Happen if all of a sudden, let's say a company
like x or open ai or one of these artificial
intelligence companies comes in and says, hey, you know, that's fine.
You don't legally have to according to the United States government,
but on our plant, you have to have a digital ID,
and you have to have UH and we're going to
implement a social credit score, which they're already doing. They're
actually ranking you on X right now, zero to ninety nine.
(10:09):
And then based upon that credit score, that social credit
score will depend on how likely you're to be seen
within their algorithms and in the new speed and trending
and all that kind of stuff. So imagine that, now
you know, Elon's already talking about developing his own currency.
Let's say let's say that they require you to have
some sort of digital ID in order to be a
part of their ecosystem. And as they continue to expand,
(10:31):
then maybe more companies begin to adopt this new technology
and ID and social credit score and all that to
where again, they're bypassing the government where there'd be a
lot of legal hoops in order to implement it, to
where now it would be a quote unquote voluntary opt
opt in digital ID or social credit score, central bank,
digital currency, the whole deal, to where to where they
(10:53):
could actually get away with doing the mass censorship and
having complete control over your life. So unless we create
some sort of alternative ecosystem that's completely separated from AI,
we're all kind of screwed because what legal recourse do
you have if a private company violates your constitutional rights?
We don't have any because that's only there in order
(11:14):
to prevent the federal government from violating whites, not necessarily
a private company.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Have you received any pushback on Pickaggs from these other
giants and how do you protect yourself against because they
have a lot of money and a lot of power, Chef.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, we haven't as of yet, and again just because
we're technically under pre launch right now, so we've got
to get web burdened out now.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Actually are going to be dropping soon. But I'm fully
prepared for there being some.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Sort of pushback, blowback you know, at tax things like that,
and so we're taking a variety of precautions, everything from
you know, servers and having backups to where if one
server takes us down, we can just flip a switch
and instantaneously be back up live. So you know, we're
going to everything with our eyes wide open, knowing that
that there's going to be pushed back because we're going
(12:02):
against the grain, We're going against the system, and we're
creating a space that is very centered on human beings
and ultimately trying to create an alternative ecosystem to where,
you know, if all this kind of stuff comes to pass,
as as I've been predicting that there will be a
human centered space that you know, we're not living in
(12:23):
the Pixar movie Wally, like like Elon mus says, we're
going to end up being but we're actually going to
be able to have you know, human to human connection
in community and creativity and all that kind of stuff.
So I know there will be pushed back, and we
have certain things in place in order to bypass that
as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Good because they believe me, if you start making waves
with Pickax, you know that those ripples will finally be
noticed by the people you've been talking about and the
powers that be in the tech world, and they will
either try and swallow you up or neuter you somehow
(13:00):
and keep you from, you know, disrupting their evil plans.
Tell me about following the leader the book.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So yeah, so that's a that's a book that I've
been I've been working on a writing and should should
be able to get it all wrapped up and finished soon.
But the whole idea, So in one of my first
books that that I put together, it was a group
book project that I brought together a bunch of pastors
and theologians and all that talking about different issues facing
the church.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And one of the chapters that I wrote in that.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Book was about the evangelical cult of personality and how
a lot of these make a church pastors within Christianity
almost set up their own mini cult within the Christian
ecosystem to where you completely rely upon them for all
of your theological training and teaching, and whatever they say goes,
and you're kind of taught not to question them, and
(13:51):
just well, they're the most trained experts in their fields,
so you have to just believe them, and then you
follow them and then they they end up use and
abuse their people in.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Order to build up their wealth.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
They've set up all sorts of different you know, kinds
of nonprofits all over the place that they're bringing in.
They're just raking in the money all that kind of stuff,
and they have ultimate control and power and all that.
And when I looked at a lot of them, I
realize a lot of them are using certain cult tactics
in order to manipulate their base into you know, essentially
playing follow the leader. Well then I started seeing, well,
(14:20):
this isn't just happening within the church, This is happening
within the political sphere. This is happening within mainstream society
as well. So I started researching them, and that's really
what led into following the Leader. And as I was
researching this, I realized, well, you know, you take this
back to scientology, and you take this back to Jim
Jones and Charles Manson and a lot of these different cults.
It's all the same tactics that are being used. And
(14:42):
so then I started researching the cults and looking into
and looking into all of that, and you know, things
like MK ultra and brainwashing and all that, and you
realize well, there's a lot of the same tactics there,
and then a lot of these leaders have direct ties
with an intelligence agency of some kind, and you're like,
what's going on here? So you know, as I'm looking, yeah, this,
it makes perfect sense that I think a lot of
(15:02):
these cults going way back, we're kind of testing grounds
in order in order for to see how do you
get normal everyday people coming off the street to either
come in and believe something insane, do some sort of
atrocious thing that you would never that no human being
would do, like Charles Manson going around and just mass
murdering people, and how do they do that? So I
(15:23):
started looking at this and it was like, you know,
you start with a basic lie, you build upon that,
you build upon that, you build upon.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That until you believe something absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And we saw that happen with COVID, We see that
happening today in politics, we see that happening about Trump,
We see that happening everywhere. And so so my theory
that I posited in the book is basically that you
have the intelligence agencies or some kind of power that
that's involved that use the cults as testing grounds, and
then now they're playing out these tactics on a mass,
(15:51):
mass scale. And then the question is or have you
been taken in by some sort of cult tactic? And
that can happen on the left, it can happen on
the right, And so the thing is to be self
reflect take a look at our lives and figure out
what do I believe? Not just what do I believe,
but why do I believe it? Am I just a
parent that's repeating what somebody else said? Or do I
actually know that it's true? So that's really the whole
(16:12):
theory behind the book. I guess you could say, well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
As a believing Christian, I know that Jesus Christ is
my sales savior. No man is my savior, whether it
be a president or a congressman or an evangelical preacher
with a large following. You know, you can go through
the litany of names, which we don't need to do.
Everybody knows what we're talking about. I think. But my
(16:36):
issue is that these cult like tactics are these basic
cults that are predicated on the lie you know that
you've got to follow this one human being, this man
to find your path to salvation. Is that it turns
people off of real scripturally based Christianity, you know what
(16:58):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, No, absolutely, And I think I think it also
that one of the one of the problems is is
that a lot of times in in this these kind
of like cult mindsets, whether you're talking about within Christianity
or within politics, they they really try to persuade you
not to question anything and and not to not to actually,
you know, do your own research and figure it out
(17:20):
and all that. And I think that that's that's that's
one of the really big things that I really want
to encourage people to is break away from this mentality
of you're not supposed to question, like question everything, because
because the truth, if you are a true secret of
the truth, you read you read the Bible, you know,
from in the political sphere, obviously, you read the Constitution,
you read the Founding documents, you go through all that.
(17:42):
The truth is there, you go find it. But but
you also have to be humble enough to realize that
maybe I miss something, maybe I'm wrong. And so for me,
I have a lot of conversations with a lot of
people from a lot of different perspectives, and I go
into everything believing what I believe one hundred percent but
I'm also open to the idea that possibly the other
person I have an argument where I need to go
back and I need to look at what I believe
(18:03):
and say, Okay, did my belief hold up the scrutiny
or do I need to maybe reconsider something, tweet something,
change something.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Jeff, we're out of time, but I appreciate yours. Pickaxe
is this new human based social media that Jeff Dornick
and his group have launched. And you know, we'll check
back in and see when you're up and running.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Jeff, Okay, sounds good. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
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