Florida mRNA Court Battle Ignites Again | Dr Joseph Sansone

Dr Joseph Sansone joins me live to unpack the latest development in his Florida mRNA court case after the 1DCA dismissed his appeal and pushed the fight back into the trial court. His amended complaint brings together months of studies, affidavits, medical documentation and official statements that challenge the ongoing distribution of mRNA injections in the state. This episode walks through why the case is intensifying and what this pivotal shift means for the battle ahead.

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Episode Transcript

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
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Covet means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration
instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation,
instead of free choice, on.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and
material resources into the building.

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Of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.

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Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried,
not headlined. Its dissenters are silence, not praise.

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You once appoint yourself an arbiter.

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If what's true and what's not.

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True, then there's really no end to the power they
you have now assumed for yourself. They are implementing this
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Without further ado, we are bringing on our guests for today,
Doctor Joseph Sanson. Welcome to the show. I'm glad we

(03:13):
get sit down here in chat for a bit.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Hey, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, well, you know, and so interestingly for you, uh
you know you're on.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
By the way, you didn't mention that I just.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh, no, no, I I was, I was. I was
waiting to actually intro I was gonna waiting to introduce
you because it's like, why why give away the secret
of the guests and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
So doctor Pierre Corey J's on here.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, make sure you guys are off our phone, will do.
And if you guys actually look in the link underneath
the show notes, you'll see the link to it to
his pick acts. Make sure you guys are checking that out.
But you know, interestingly, you know you're dealing with uh
obviously the m R and A shots, COVID shots and
all of that. And you know the thing that you
know in Karen Kingston and I have talked a lot
on our show about, you know, some of the different

(04:00):
strategies that can be employed in within the legal system
in order to you know, get the shots pulled. And
you're doing you're working on that in Florida. And I
was telling you before we went live, it's interesting because
you're doing this in Florida, which you know, according to
you know, public perception, Florida is the most anti COVID
vaccine you know state, it's there was the best dealing

(04:21):
with lockdowns, it was best dealing with COVID in general,
and so everybody was flocking to Florida because of all that.
But then you're actually filing this lawsuit, and it's it's
it's been interesting to watch the development of this since
you're fighting this fight in Florida, it's not like you're
fighting it in California or New York or one of
these crazy states.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, so if you go back to the lockdowns, Desantus
said he would be a dictator if he did a
lockdown when you're trying to pressure him to do it.
Then he turned around and did a four month lockdown.
He got away in a presidential race. Lying in a
presidential debate and saying he didn't do a lockdown wasn't true.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
He did.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
It might not have been as severe as New York,
but we had a four month lockdown, which was my view,
legal and unconstitutional. And the reason they backed off on
it down here is because it was bubbling up underneath them.
They had to because remember Florida, everybody carries a gun.
Even your Democrats down here carry gun. So it's like
after a couple of people got guns pulled on them

(05:15):
in Walmarts and stuff like that for people trying to
force Manson on him. They started backing off, so he
did what he had to do to maintain control of
my view.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
But uh, yeah, so you know, I started, I guess
in May of.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
Twenty twenty one, took me about eight months to get
that first band of jab resolution, got that done in
like ten counties in Florida, counties in different states, and
eventually got like the Idaho and Arizona Republican parties to
pass that.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
He was saying it was a biological technological weapon of
mass destruction. Kind of hit a brick wall.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
So I filed my first rid of made Damish almost
two years ago in March of twenty twenty four. And
that literally means we command I was trying to force
the governor and Attorney general to prohibit the shots because
they're bio weapons. And and you know Karen King you
mentioned she wrote literature review that actually used in that
main damus is very comprehensive, and well, what the court said,

(06:06):
because there's narrow case law for rits of main damis,
it said it was an improper use of main damis
because it's supposed to be used for ministral duty, not
a discretionary duty. Now I found case law where if
there's an abuse of discretionary duty, which is what I
was arguing, you could use it for this. But anyway,
I lost out of Peel in October of twenty four.
So then in December first of twenty twenty four, I

(06:29):
filed a new case, a complaint seeking an injunction and
declaratory judgments on our weapons of mass destruction law, our
fraud law, and our informed consent law. I found that
on December first, and I had nine affidavits with it.
Doctor Francis Boyle, who you know a lot of people
don't realize doctor Francis Boyle, who's the law professor that

(06:50):
wrote the Biological Weapons and Anti Terrorism Act of nineteen
eighty nine, you know, the US implementation legislation of the
Biological Weapons Convention.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
He was like, you know, Worth didn't legal authority on bioweapons.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
He said that the in twenty twenty, He said, before
the shots even came out, that they were bioweapons because
the COVID was an offensive bio warfare weapon through gain
a function research and this is the derivative of it.
So he argued, given back then and quite frankly.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
You know it was all over the internet.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
You know that the conspiracy theory has come true again, right,
It was all over the internet that COVID was out
there so they can come and hit us with a
vaccine that's a weapons. So I mean it was out there,
and of course Karen was out there early and other
people talking about it. But so I filed my case
in December first of twenty twenty four, and I was
in the process of getting Affidavid. So, yeah, I got

(07:40):
an affidad from doctor Boyle, Karen Kingston, doctor an Almhacha,
doctor Zivietz, doctor Rima Laibau, doctor Averd Brinkley, doctor Ben Marble,
doctor Paul Alexander, probably leaving someone out there. But I
had nine affidavids, right, and oh doctor Villa. So I
had nine affidavids and I'm in the process. In fact,
I think I was just going to collect one from

(08:01):
doctor James Thorpe. And my case gets dismissed like six
business days after it's filed.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
In Florida, you have one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Days to serve for your summons under defendants, right, So
it got dismissed.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
I think they call it Suicponte.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
But so I.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
Filed a motion for rehearing.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
When I did my motion for rehearing, I brought in
the Florida Civil Rights Act into two.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
That was denied and.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
I was cautioned on filing frivolous lawsuits. I could be
sanctioned in that decision. Now, in my case, what I'm
arguing is is that on April first of twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
Three, I woke up, I couldn't brieve.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
I was in congestive heart failure, and so on April tenth,
I had tripled bypass heart surgery. So I'm arguing my
case that my injury was sustained through shedding of the technology.
But then I'm also arguing that it doesn't even matter
because now that I have a pre existing serious heart condition,
I have a reasonable degree I should have a reasonable
you know, dictation of safety in public spaces, and I'm saying,

(09:02):
according to the Florida Civil Rights Act, that I can't
have that if the shedding is continuing, if people continue
to get the shots. Now, I'm also arguing because in Florida,
in our constitution, you know, have the Declaration Independence talked
about the right to life. That's actually in our constitution
in Florida. It's not a preamble, it's in our basic
rights there. So we have a right to life here,
and so I'm arguing constitutional argument too. So anyway, I

(09:26):
lost the motion for rehearing. So you know, because I was,
I was threatened with sanctions, I did. I filed my
notice of appeal, and then in February sixth, I think
it was, I did my appellate brief, and then what
happened was is the attorney for the Governor and Attorney
General filed to notice it. Since they were not served
as summons, they would not be filing an answer brief

(09:48):
in this case because the court didn't have jurisdiction over them.
I think that was a mistake on their part, and
I thought it was at the time. Now literally the
next day, on February nineteenth, the First District Court of
Appeal where I'm at, came out with a de vision
where reinforcing what the rules say, and part of the
decisions that you know, was saying you cannot dismiss a
case before the summons notice is served on the defendants.

(10:09):
So I think they thought this was an error on
my part because I only served them the complaint without
the summons. But the case was already dismissed. But I
figured I have to serve them something. So they really
highlighted it, you know. So I they really highlighted the
error that the lower court did.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
I said they had eight errors. One of them was
this clear procedural error.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
The other one was one of the other procedural issue
was I was saying they weren't allowing me to amend
the complaint because I was being threatened with sanctions. I
wasn't going to file anything else in the court. So
and because there was no defense in the there was
no no opposition in the appellate court. I my strategy
was to kind of put layers and layers of supplements

(10:50):
on them, stuff that you normally want to be able
to include in an appellate because the appellate courts dealing
strictly with the law.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
But I was coming and putting in there, like RFK
Junior's statement that.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
The the risk way to benefits and there's basically no
prophylactic effect for m and RA. I actually argue in
my case that that shows criminal intent to keep them
on the market after that point, and so I filed
Surgeon General a lotiposts statement it is official capacity as
well the the m RA COVID chats are poison, which
was legally literally.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
An the legal definition of our weapons and master destructural law. Here.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I filed the study showing like the increased decreased lifespan
with each shot, and so on a couple other studies.
So I was just layering this stuff on there, and
you know, eventually I got a decision on the twelfth.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
In fact, when I got the decision, I thought I lost.
I literally was going on a podcast and I went on.
I'm like, well, it looks like I lost.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Here.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
I fegared what to do, and I realized afterward I
didn't because it says my case was dismissed. But what
they were saying is is my case was dismissed because
they're saying it isn't totally closed at the Circuit court.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
And then I can go and amend my brief.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
So basically I kind of want on a procedural slash
jurisdictional issue because now I was able to Later on
that night, I went and amended my brief, so I
was able to do it without fear of being sanctioned.
And so I consider that kind of a big procedural
win for me in this case because my trial's moving forward,
and I think the the I think that was a

(12:18):
way for them to allow me to win without reverse
and remanding it. On the other procedural issue of dismissing
the case before the summons, I would prefer to reverse
and remand with instructions. But you know what, I'm back
in the trial court, and that's the whole point of
an appeal. So it's kind of like I had a
stand at a count. Now I'm back in the ring,
and so I have a Jeff, I have a very

(12:38):
sophisticated strategy.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
I keep punching until I win or I'm on the canvas.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Fair that's fair. Well, well's what's again, What's what's really interesting?
You know, I was just at the Chooser's Health Defense
conference and you know, Pickax is one of the sponsors
and all that kind of stuff, and you know, briefly
met you know, Ladipoe, who's surprisingly really like really tall,
like I'm I'm six three, and I was looking at
I was looking up to him and I'm six three.
So but but you know it's like, you know, he's

(13:06):
come out very strongly against against vaccines publicly and all
that kind of stuff. And you know, DeSantis has taken
you know, especially when he was running for president against Trump,
because I think he knew the Operation Warp Speed was
causing a lot of people to be hesitant of supporting Trump.
You know, he was hitting him heart on that, so
that you know, he had this public perception of you know,
you know, medical freedom and you know, questioning the vaccines

(13:29):
and all this kind of stuff. But then it seems
like looking at your case again from the outside looking in,
it seems like it's a completely different strategy when you're
dealing with the reality and the application of the law
as opposed to you know, the rhetoric that that's coming
from the governor.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
It's like, we have limited hangouts upon limited hangouts, upon
limited hangouts because every Okay, let's just go through it
real quick.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
President Trump could issue an executive order stopping the shots
their weapons of mass destruction.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Okay. Under eighteen USC.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Won seventy five, Chapter ten biological Weapons, PAM BONDI can
seek an injunction to stop the shots because their weapons.
Every governor can stop the shots under their weapons of
mass destruction or biological weapons laws. Any attorney general could
go after any county. Even now we have state attorneys
here to cover like four or five counties. But you

(14:21):
know most in states that have like a county prosecutor
or a district attorney with the county sheriff, one county
sheriff from one county prosecutor get together. They could stop
the shots and that would have a ripple effect, right
if they indicted somebody on this. But nobody's doing their job.
They're all they're all couch corruptor out of touch.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
But so DeSantis, you know, he went out there and
there's a video of this.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
I'm not making it up. He went out there and
was saying early on how ninety percent of the people
in the hospital were quote unquote vaccinated and that kind
of nonsense. And like, look, if he was acting in
good faith he made a big mistake, he would seek
to correct it. Okay, but the are still being distributed
in the state of Florida.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
They are weapons.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Uh, And.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
I just find it utterly cowardly and despicable at this
point for any of these people.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Because they're they're not authentic, they're just paid actors to
be honest with you. So, yeah, DeSantis is not doing
his job, but nobody is. Uh, And so what are
we supposed to do? Cheer on the person that gives
us some lip service. I don't cheer on the limited hangouts.
I believe the maximum pressure these you know, most people
you know, Jeff, most people I know will die from

(15:34):
these injections. That's a fact. Yeah, they're gonna have curtain lifespans.
You do not have to be a scientist or a
medical doctor, or you know, you don't have to be
a brain surgeon or your rocket scientists to figure this out.
If you give people a bunch of chronic diseases and illnesses,
they're not going to live as long. So, like the
one study was showing like a thirty seven percent reduction lifespan.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
So given an infant the shots, they're gonna live to
be fifty.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
But you know, as somebody who's thirty five that these shots,
that's fine now, and they only live to be sixty
two or sixty three, you just stole seventeen or eighteen
years of their life.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
That's murder.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
And I agree that this is part of a larger
depopulation technocracy and transhumanist agenda, and I think that I
think you just got to keep fighting. You know, my
hope is to be able to present evidence in this
case as we move forward. You know, I'm gonna you know,
I'm serving the governor and Attorney General right now, and in fact,

(16:30):
I'm just waiting for the returns on I think the
attorney General has already been served and the governor probably today,
and then I have to follow to notice the service
with the court and then and then you know, I'm
probably gonna motion for a pulmarian junction and an evidentiary
hearing and have witnesses. I want to be able to
present evidence, so we'll see what the court does. You know,
here's the deal. I could I'm moving forward to trial.

(16:52):
This this is a heavy lift. I could end up
back in the appellate court, so I'll be fighting there
to get back over here if that happens. But I
I'm just going to keep fighting it because I don't
see how people look the other way.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
I think people are really kind of cowardly, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, because here's the thing, Jeff, I'll shut up in
a minute, but this is not going away. People are
continuing to get sick. They're continuing to get cancers, continue
to have horror problems, neurological problems. I can tell you
right now, doctor Villa, Doctor Merriyvick Villa here in Florida.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
She's has a very.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Busy clinic in the Villages, which is like the largest
senior living community in the country. Most of the people
that got to shops have VADs, Vaccine acquired immune deficiencies INDRO.
Her preliminary research was mentioned in a paper by Zivietz
at All called COVID nineteen Harms and Damages a non
exhaustive conclusion, and her preliminary data was in there, you know,

(17:51):
And if you talk to her, she's telling you that
even people that are asymptomatic, it's showing under blood work.
And she's got like close to four thousand victims there
in her clinic because people are to her because they're
being gas lit by other doctors. You know, they're telling
them that there's nothing wrong with him. It's in your
head when they're sick from the shots. And that's a
problem because if the immune system's failing, you're gonna look

(18:11):
at cancers all types off.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
And I'm not saying it's to scare people.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
You know, I have type one diabetes, and that's fifteen
years off the average lifespan right there. I know, adding
the triple bypassed heart surgery, congestive heart failure.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
You know, maybe I'll make it through the interview. I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
But so it's but I mean, it's not to scare people.
It's just to wake up. You've been violated. Your family
members have been raped, in pillage, your family members and
a friends, the people you know in love are being murdered.
Rich people, poor people, Republican Democrats, independent, white people, black people,
and everyone in between have been targeted with biological technological

(18:46):
weapons of mass destruction, either directly through injection or indirectly
through shedding. Now I think we need more cases. Now,
my case I sidestep. I think I think I entirely
sidestep the prep back. I personally don't believe. I think
if you make a biological weapons argument, I don't think
the prep back applies.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
I don't think you could. People disagree with me on that,
but that's my view on it.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
But either way, I sidestep it because I'm not suing
the manufacturers and I'm not suing for money.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I'm just trying to get injunctive relief.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Now, what they'll argue is, you know, because they'll probably
try to dismiss it. They're gonna argue like federal regulations
and that kind of thing. But you know what, the
state and I don't I don't like to use this word,
but the state still has police power over public health.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
I don't even believe in public health. But I mean,
that's what the that's.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Because there's been decisions with saying states can reject mandates
that kind of thing, and you know, they'll argue a
separation of powers thing. But when it comes to your
constitutional rights, you know, I think you can the core
can intercede with injunctive relief. So you know, look, the
thing is, when you go back from the appello court
back to the trial court, you're going back to the
same judge. But you know what, a year's gone by,

(19:54):
a lot of evidence has come out, and you know,
if I can get that three and a half hours
to be able to have my witness and present evidence,
my hope is that you know, the court will do
the right thing.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, well, you know, and I think you know, you
you know, you were citing like how you know, it's
like it takes years off of your life and all that.
And I think that for a lot of people that
were there, they're still they haven't they haven't come around
to agreeing with like you and I when it comes
to these shots or bioweapons and and all of that,
is that is that they're looking for the acute reaction.

(20:25):
They're looking for, you know, did did I have a
heart attack and die? Did I have this? Did I
have that? As opposed to you know that that definitely
did happen at a much higher rate than than other
shots and all that. But for a lot of people,
like what they're not taking into consideration is the long
term effects. And like you said, taking a couple of
decades off of people's lives is absolutely insane, I think,

(20:46):
I think, and then I think the other the other
component that I think a lot of people are overlooking
when it comes to the shot still being on the
market is that like if you go back and you
look at the cominadi FDA approval letter from from from
day number one, right, you look, you look at the
study that they say, they make the claim that the
reason why it's being FDA approved is because it's it's
ninety percent effective at protecting you from contracting COVID nineteen

(21:10):
that what was that was that was in the FDA
approval letter. And then now I don't think anybody actually
makes that claim anymore because it's been proven, you know, false,
over and over and over again. Even the mainstream in
media will admit that. And you know it's now, well,
it's stopped. It stops you from getting seriously sacrey Oto
the hospital. I think, so the the justification for it
even being FDA approved is no longer is no longer

(21:33):
accurate if it ever was to begin with. But it
but it's but it's nobody thinks that that FDA approval
letter is actually true today. And so to me that
that's another angle that I don't I don't really hear
anybody making that argument when it comes specifically to the
approval of these shots.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean they lied, you know. I I look,
I think it was cooperation. I don't think, you know,
I don't think the pharmacutical did it on her own.
I think I think we're literally dealing with an international crime.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Said.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
They get here that runs our governments behind the scenes,
and they want less of us it's that simple. You
are the carbon they want to reduce. And it's psychotic,
it's sick, it's twisted, it's sadistic.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
They really they played into the everyday sadism of of
your neighbors. And you know, you put someone in that
gatekeeper position, they kind of get the power trip. They
get a little well when you when you saw the
soccer you know, the soccer moms chasing, you know, the
young couple or the guy and girl at the park
who weren't wearing the mask, that kind of thing. They

(22:34):
they were they were being hyped up with the fear.
But they're you know, there's human beings. There's a few exceptions,
but most people possess sadism to varying degrees, uh, you know,
and it's more benign forms. It's like slapstick humor, sarcasm.
You know, your friend slips and falls under butt in
the snow. You kind of laugh when you know they're okay.
That kind of thing gets a little darker when you

(22:54):
start getting into the gossip and that type of thing.
You're more evil sadistic forms is you know, the serial
killer getting off on you know, torturing someone to death.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
You know, or a.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
But the same thing with the people are outside cheering
to turn up the electricity.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
They're getting off on the sadism, and that's what happened.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
They tapped into the sadism of people as well as
their narcissism. You know, the people doing the virtual like
the communal narcissism with the virtue signaling like showing the
pictures that they got their shots and that kind of stuff,
are wearing their masks and so on, as well as
the collective narcissism the US verse then like going after
the people like you're evil because you're not part of
our group here. You didn't get your shot and where

(23:32):
your little mask and join our cult. So you had
a lot of psychological manipulation going on a lot of levels.
The one thing I'll say kind of what you were
laying out there is I'm gonna make I've made this
statement over and over again. It's why I originally went
with the bandit you have resolution originally, you know, in
February of twenty three, which you.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Know, when I was in hospital, I was actually working
on that.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
But mandates are psyop when you're dealing with these injections,
because there's an embedded Ericsonian command, Like, if you start
debating whether you can mandate a biological weapon, there's an
eric Sonian hypnotic command there that you can give people

(24:16):
biological weapons, that you can target them with biological So
you're never gonna win fighting mandates.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
And that's why I go right for the heart.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
I'm like, you know this, you need to drive the
stake through the vampire's heart in my opinion, and I
think we're seeing like at I think RFK Junior is
running a limited hangout at HHS. I you know, I'm
not happy with him at all. He has the power
to stop the shots.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
He could. He can.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Fact, it's been done before, like Kathleen Sebelius, I think
in twenty eleven, twenty twelve when it was dealing with contraceptives,
like she directed the FDA director to prohibit it for
children under seventeen without a prescription for both control pills.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
I think it was.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
And so he has the power to force the FDA
commissioner to pull the biologics license.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
And so you know he's out there.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
I mean, I think what he did when he came
out there saying that you know, them rang jacksons don't
work for COVID and flu but and the risks outweigh
to benefits. And then he's talking about having double blind
placebo controlled studies. Are you kidding me? He knows their
bio weapon. Somebody should introduce him to that guy that
wrote the book, to really, Anthony Fauci. I'm just saying

(25:29):
they should get together those two guys.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Now.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
I don't know whether he's being blackmailed or intimidated or whatever,
but I don't care, because from my point of view
is I need to put I believe in maximum pressure.
So and that's why I think there should be more
cases out there like mine.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
I think people need to litigate state and federal court.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
I think the attitude that people need to have is
more like the black rights activists.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
In the fifties and sixties. I think you need to
keep fighting until you win.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
And what they're trying to do is they're using like
mass media hypnosis to kind of lull everybody to sleep
with this, you know, and and it's getting and so
you know, at this point, you know, you could argue
to Trump's a malignant narcissist. You know, I went with
the grandiose narcissist. But and I voted him three times.
But I mean, like, you know, he likes to amiliate

(26:15):
his opponents, but now he's trying to humiliate his supporters
right openly, just mocking.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
And humiliating them. And you know, uh, you.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Cannot be America first and look the other way. Why
biological and technological weapons of mass destruction are murdering American
citizens and master that is total, incomplete bullshit. That is
not America first, not even close.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Totally. No, No, I think it's it's it's one hundred
percent agree with you, and I think you know, and
I've made this comment a couple of times to people
when it when it because I'm watching Trump and how
he played how he's playing everything out right now, and
and again I've I've voted for him every sing every
single time, although this last time I did. I did
endorse RFK when he was when he was running for president.

(27:02):
But it's the thing I've been saying about Trump this
time around, is it feels like Trump is America, and
I put in parentheses the corporation first, not Americans first.
And I think that that that's part that's part of
the problem, is is like you know, whether you're looking
at what's happening, what's happening with the shots, or what's
happening with you know, like he's he's importing Argentinian beef.

(27:25):
It's like, is that helping American beef farmers or is
that helping America the corporation of you know, let's just
get lower prices. You know, it's he's looking at it
from the macro level, whereas our founding fathers looked at
it from the micro level, the individualistic level. And I
think that's that's what's made America so great and why
it's been declining in my in my opinion, is because
we've been looking at everything from the big corporation standpoint,

(27:47):
the big government standpoint, the public health, the public the
overall economy as opposed to our individualistic rights. Our right
to life, our right to free speech, our right to
bear arms, are all all of these individual rights. And
I think that, you know, he's he's totally forgetting or
not realizing that his job, his number one job, is
to protect our individual constitutional, God given rights. And and

(28:11):
I and I think that, you know, because probably he's
a business guy, he's, uh, you know, he's looking out
for what's what's going to be his you know how
history interprets him. He wants the best economy, he wants
the best all these things. Again, that's looking at it
from the macro level. I want him to look at
it from the micro level. And I and I think
that what's happening specifically with rfkan and I agree with you.
I've been very disappointed with with with Kennedy. I I

(28:34):
like him, I think I think personally, I think he's
in my I think this is my opinion from talking
to people in and close to him. I think that
that the Trump administration, I always say, cough cough, Susie
wils has set up this sandbox around him that he's
allowed to play in. So he's allowed to play in
a particular sandbox, but he's not allowed to go outside
of it or else he gets fired and and they
can they get fired.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
I'm to get fired.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
I'm I am, I am a hunt. I am one
hundred percent with you. And I think but I think
I think that in his mind he's rationalizing, well, if
I get fired, then they're you're bringing in another big
pharm of shill. Whereas I'm looking at it from the
perspective of they're they're using you and using your base
in order to provide cover for the big, the big
pharm of guys. And I think that's that's the problem

(29:18):
that we're facing, is that he is you know again,
I I like him, I I you know, all that,
But also I think he's being used as a useful
idiot to to further certain certain agendas.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
I think when you're and I get it.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
And look, I tell you right now, I've been endorsed
by you know, Pap Buchanan because I was a chairman
in his presidential campaign. I have a letter of endorsement
from him, Like you know who gets like written letters
when you're not even running for public office if you
want to run for So I mean, I'm endorsed by
the founder of the modern America First movement. You know
that's back when Trump was an open borders liberal and
attacked Buchanan for his foreign policy, you know, for being

(29:56):
America First.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
And that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
So I don't you know, Trump did not invent the
America First movement, and so uh, and I get it
because when you're when you're criticizing Trump or R. F. K. Junior,
you're dealing with kind of two personality cults, right, and
it's like, I don't do that. I'll support you if
you're doing something I like, I'll support you. But if
you're doing something that it's against you know, human beings

(30:19):
right to exist or against our our national autonomy, I'm
not going to support you. And then think about it.
Let's play out the RFK scenario though. So he pulls
the biological license or forces the FD commissioner to pull
the biological license, taking the shots off the market, and
then they turn around and fire him. Is that a
net win or net loss? He can turn around and
run for president, you know, in the next election and win,

(30:41):
you know, and and and quite frankly, if he does
that and then Trump the Trump administration turns around and
puts the shots back on the market, you know, they
may as well just like you know, go on Epstein
island at that point, because you know, I just I
don't see how he loses by doing the right thing.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
They probably got some sexual blackmail on him, you know,
based on his early time, you know, hanging out with
Epstein and that kind of thing, and even recent stuff.
But you know what, don't put yourself in office if
you're afraid of that. If you're afraid of being killed
or if you're afraid of being blackmail, don't don't put
yourself in that office.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah, what well? And and and I think I think
specifically when when when it comes to to RFK Junior
as well, it's it to me I agree with you,
like if if he was, if he was to pull
the shots today, right and then and then he gets fired,
and then the Trump administration comes in and installs a
new guy, and then they bring it back you know,
the next day. That like that, that's gonna be that's

(31:33):
gonna be a really big bad thing for the Trump
administration when it when it comes to when it comes
to the base and I and I would argue that
that them reinstalling the COVID shots after let's say RFK
Junior was to pull it, that could actually severely hinder
twenty twenty eight. Uh, you know, you know coming up
of you know, if JD. Vance is gonna is going

(31:54):
to be the candidate, is JD. Van's gonna go along
with the Trump administration when it comes to the shots
or is he going to go with RFK? And it's
gonna force whoever's running to pick a lane and I
think that in all reality them forcing it back into
the market. If RFK was to pull it would be
like shooting themselves in the foot come twenty twenty eight,
because there's so many people in the Maga Maha base

(32:17):
that want those shots pulled.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, and keep in mind when you're looking at the
what is the twenty twenty eight presidential election.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
When you're looking at that, but that sounds like science fiction.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
But when you're looking at at the twenty twenty eight
presidential election, I mean, look, Ron DeSantis has already started
campaigning Rubio my campaign, RFK Junior is most likely gonna
definitely run, So you're gonna have multiple candidates anyway. So
if I were rf K Junior, I would do it,
get fired, and I'd be running as the real outsider.
At that point, then you're exposing the whole fraud. So

(32:48):
I don't see a negative to doing it, you know,
other than he's afraid for one reason or another, and
I'm don't have it.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Look, I don't have anything against rf K Junior, don't
have anything against Trump.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
It's just the fact of the matter is most people
are going to die from these shots.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
I want justice. I want to see people prosecute it.
I get it.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
You're not going to get everybody, but you know, the
very minimum we need to admit what this is, stop it,
and start trying to mitigate the damage. Your friends and
family members will continue to get sick and die as
time goes on. Some of them might be healthy now,
but in ten years they'll be sick from it, or
in five years. And this is just a reality we're
living in. They want to condition you to believe that
it's normal for everybody to have a chronic disease and illness.

(33:27):
They've already done that with the kids, right over a
half a number of chronic diseases and stuff. They want
to normalize this stuff. And I got news for you.
It's not the fruit loops.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, I agree, I do. You know? And what's interesting is,
you know there's a famous pediatrician out here in California
where I live, good old Communists California, where you know,
there's doctor Sears that's out here. He wrote the Vaccine book.
And I heard him speaking at an event and he
was explaining how he started off just being limited vaccines,

(33:57):
not anti vaccine, and what ended up happening is because
he wasn't forcing vaccines on kids, but he was recommending
let's say, three or five shots, you know that kind
of thing. A lot of anti vaccine parents would bring
their kids to him, and then all of a sudden
he realized that, well, all my kids that are not
getting any shots are healthier than the kids that are
getting three shots. And he's like, maybe there's something to this,

(34:18):
and then he starts looking into it even more, and
then he and so then he becomes completely anti vaccine,
doesn't doesn't do vaccines at all, and and I remember
him saying, he's like like, literally, I'm just doing wellness
checks all day. He's he's like, he's like, literally, I'm like,
the kids aren't coming in sick rarely are are they
Are they needing any kind of prescription or anything like
that because they don't have chronic disease. They don't they're
not sick. They're they're not even getting colds and flus

(34:40):
and all that kind of stuff, because he's like, their
immune system isn't being suppressed. And so so he's like,
you know, maybe every now and then we need to
make sure a kid gets hydrated or you know, something
like that. But he's like just simply by not going
with vaccines. It's it's eliminated so many of the disease
and illness and chronic disease just by that one action.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Well, at this point in time, I'm totally convinced that
my type one diabetes was a result of vaccines I
got as a kid because I was so healthy and athletic.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
It didn't make any sense.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I had actually showed my insulin people because it wouldn't
believe me that I had Type one diabetes. And I
think there are studies that show mass vaccination increases diabetes.
But I mean with my case, I'm hitting on the MRA,
not a particle injections, because you know, I think there's
a shift that occurred. I think that they were hitting
us with something they knew that was going to make
a certain percentage of people sick with the vaccines in general,

(35:31):
just to make money. But now we're looking at something
that takes the sinisterness to a whole new level. We're
looking at depopulation with the transhumanism and that kind of thing.
And I mean, this is one of the things too
where But I do think if you knock out these
MRA injections, I think you can go after all the
shots afterwards. But this is something that I think the

(35:52):
Trump administration is doing a lot of harm on which
I'm sure you're aware of. Is they really are pushing
forward to technocracy.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Back during the you know.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
They called the stable coins or whatever their back door
in the centralized digital bank currency, you know, and they're
pushing the digital ID and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
This is not.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
America first, This is not anything to do with the constitution.
This is statism. It's it's evil. It doesn't matter who's
in office.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
You know.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
I think I think maybe you know, I don't you
talk to me. You mentioned election integer early on. I
don't even know if our elections are real since you're computerized,
so I mean, we don't have any authentic you know,
why would I believe in slot machine voting? Right? But
you know, I felt that, you know, I noticed said
it was too big to rig, which doesn't even make
sense because you can have an algorithm do whatever the
hell you want it to do.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
But I think that I think that they might have
led him.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Win to put him in there, because we would have
had much more resistance with Kambla Harris.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
And I think they let him.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
They put him in there to kind of subdue to
resistance because all this stuff that's going on, the Republicans
it would be up.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
In arms about if the Democrats are doing it.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
So they want to kind of subdue the right a
little bit and have to him further certain aspects of
this agenda. And you know, any kind of repackages his
stuff and mix it sound patriotic, but it's like not
thinking about Look the h one b VSS that that
totally goes against everything you mean to tell We've got
three hundred and thirty million Americans something like that, we
don't have people smart enough to get No, it's just
about lower wages, right, all that's about.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
That's all that is about.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, with that, it's it's it's not
that we don't have people that are skilled enough to
do it. So we don't have people that are skilled
enough to do it for as cheap of a wage
as you can get from India or China or Taiwan
or whatever country you're talking about. But you know, I
think one of the other sides, and this goes back
to what you what you've been talking about with like
the depopulation and and the you know, really transhumanism and
the technocracy and all that is. Did you did you

(37:47):
see Elon Musk get his celebration of his trillion dollar
payout talking about the future of AI, like like seeing
seeing that it was absolutely bonkers because like literally and
these are his words, and this is the thing that
like I'm like, you guys should be outraged, and Trump
should be nowhere near Elon Musk, but instead Elon Musk
is hanging out, hanging out with Trump over the weekend,

(38:08):
as Elon Musk is literally saying that the future of
artificial intelligence and his optimist robots is going to end poverty,
it's going to end disease because you know, apparently AI
can end all that kind of stuff, and it's going to,
in his words, usher in a communist utopia where we
no longer need money, We're gonna be uh, you know,
living on on uh you know, basically universal basic income

(38:30):
and west he used the word communist, communist utopia. So
so he's like, he's like, because we're not. He's basically,
in his words, using capitalism in order to develop the
technology that will usher in a communist utopia. And he's
literally said those words and nobody's talking about that.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Now. I seen clips of that.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
I did not hear the communist utopia part, but it's
what I was thinking in his previous comments about it,
because it's like they're going to try to wipe out
a whole bunch of jobs with the AI and the
robotics and then put you in on a universal basic income,
which is basically an allowance because once you have a
centralized digital bank currency, don't have private property in the
former currency anymore because it's an allowance and they can

(39:12):
just turn it on and off. You know, you and
I cannot transact because we have a social credit score
or something.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
You know, eventually they're going to try to get it
to take all the land.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
I mean, that's what I think what's his name, Nick
or whatever his name is, is planning on doing with
tokenizing the federal assets, and eventually they're going to do
that with private assets, you know.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
I I interviewed on my my tiny.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Little podcast, but I interviewed Patrick Wood from Technocracy News
and Trends, and you know, he had he had pointed
out that Elon Musk's grandfather was like one of the
founders of this whole technocracy movement. Now, you know, the
question I have is this this new growing competitor called Pickaxe.

(39:53):
Are they rooted in a technocracy communist utopia ideology?

Speaker 6 (39:57):
What's the deal with you guys?

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Are you guys pushing the the AI communist utopia.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Thing or what we are? We are the exact opposite.
So basically this the business strategy is whatever elon Must does,
we're doing the exact opposite. And and you know, because
because because because like like literally the whole point and this,
this is what I keep hammering home to people is X.
You know, in Elon Must getting a forty four billion
dollar loan to buy Twitter and convert it to X

(40:24):
was not to defend free speech. It was to collect
all of our data. And that's why he opened it
back up, was because he realized, well, we can't only
collect the left data because then we're only you know,
partially securing everyody's DA. We need everybody's And then they
implement a policy of freedom of speech but not freedom
of reach. So they'll let you say whatever you want,
but they don't have to actually let anybody see it.
Why are they doing that? They're doing it so that
way you still put all of your content on there,

(40:45):
they collect it. And then what also a lot of
people don't realize is Elon must I think over the summer,
sold X to his other company, x Ai. So x
Ai now owns X. Why because X is the data
collection that gets funneled into Xai, which is which is
fueling the development of these optimist robots and artificial intelligence

(41:06):
and groc and all that kind of stuff. And so
it's like for me, I'm looking at it like, okay,
So they're all funneling it towards replacing humanity. You know,
Meta is doing the exact same thing. They invested sixty
five billion dollars into developing AI specifically to implement AI
generated content creators and eliminate humans from having any influence,

(41:26):
where we just become the consumers, not the creators. So
they're doing that. Elon's doing his thing with replacing all
of us in the workforce and bringing in a communist utopia.
And I'm over here, I'm like, can we just have
like a little space for human beings that don't want
to converge with this technology and create this kind of
like alternate community or ecosystem or something along those lines.
And again we're gonna have to adjust as time goes

(41:47):
on because the AI is going to go crazy and
the technology and the government and all that. But it's
like we need we need to figure out how to
connect human beings to human beings and figure out how
to support ourselves because it's we're going to approach a
time and you could say, as predicted in the book Revelation,
where we're not going to be able to participate in
the mainstream economy and unless we comply, so we've got
to figure out an alternative.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Yeah, and I'm going to I'm gonna cycle back to
the shots in a minute.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
I got a solf track here. But it's always been
about taking private property. If you think of the whole
concept of fiat currency to begin with, it's like everything
comes from the land. Even the stuff that they're making,
all of these computer data bit it all comes from
the land.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Everything comes from the land. All wealth is in land.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Even gold and silver are supposed to be a medium
in exchange is somewhat stable, so you could but all
your wealth, your labor comes from the land. Everything comes
from the land.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
And the idea of getting a FIAC currency is kind
of it's kind of to try to.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Take the land away from people eventually, and now they
do it with property taxes too and so on.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
But it's all about stealing your land.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
But one of the things I want to say is,
in addition to my case is I got the Sandstone
MRA Buyer Weapons Prohibition Act, which was introduced in Minnesota
by Representative Shane Meckland, trying to get that introduced to
a under state. I have a version for all fifty
states on my website Joseph sansone dot com, and you
can download a pdf for any state.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
I got a version for California.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Love to get introduced in California, make their head spin
because I want to try to get introduced in many
places as possible because there's a cublative effect. We're trying
to move the overtime windle here too, and eventually hopefully
find a state that will pass it. The significance of
this laws not just it seeking to prohibit the shots.
What happened was states were coming out and people were
proposing these laws bills to prohibit the shots.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
I was getting.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
I was getting annoyed because I'm like, they're already illegal,
So this bill is you neque Because it recognizes that
the MRA injections are already illegal according to existing state
bioweapons or weapons of master destruction laws. And what it
does is it creates a criminal liability for non enforcement.
So if you're presented with evidence, you're a governor, sheriff, whatever, prosecutor,

(43:52):
you don't enforce it, you can be prosecuted as if
you violated the law. But also it creates a civil
liability because you know, maybe to prosecutor and won't want
to prosecute their brother in law, the shehariff. So it'll
create a civil path for you to sue for non enforcement.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
And so.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Trying to get that introduced as many places as possible,
and I think it's important. It's just another uh yeah,
there's no reason for a bill because they're already illegal.
But the idea is to keep putting pressure on them.
And I just you know, we need more lawsuits. There
should be more lawsuits like mine. I don't know why
they're not. I think people are getting scared of Look,
don't let the prep backs stop you, because I think

(44:31):
you can make first of all, in your brief. I
would just I'm not an attorney, but here's how I
would do it. I would just point out the unconstitutionality
of the prep back in the brief, and there's a
lot of reasons that's unconstitutional. Number one is it denies
judicial review, which has been around since Marbury versus Madison in.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Eighteen oh three.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
So in my case, I'm kind of totally side stepping
because I'm not suing for money and I'm not seeing
to manufacturers. But there need to be cases all over
the place. We need to just we need to be
you're talking about AI. You ever see those drone swarms
and count like they swarm. We need to swarm like hornets,
you know, we need to There's a few hornets here
and there stinging them in different ways, but we need
to kind of ignite and just swarm and just attack

(45:10):
them in all ways. Because asymmetrical warfare requires asymmetrical resistance.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah. Well, and as an example of that, and I'll
say I'll say this in closing too, is that what
people don't realize is that that was the exact strategy
that Scientology used against the United States government in order
to be established as religion and not be considered a cult,
was that their members around the entire country started filing
lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, over and over

(45:36):
and over again, and to where it just swarmed the
court systems, and to where finally the government's like, Okay,
look we can't deal with this. Sure you guys can
be a nonprofit religious organization. Like that's literally what it
took in order for them to do it. So why
nobody else is being like, oh, you know what, there's
actually precedent that this kind of stuff works. You know,
we saw that with scientology, and that's how that's how

(45:57):
they were able to establish themselves as a religious organization,
So why can't we do it in order to take
on the shots and take on big farm and take
on the manufacturers and all that kind of stuff. So
definitely something to consider. So I want to also, you know,
in closing as well, tell everybody how they can get involved,
how they can support you. Check out your writings, all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Well, my website chose to santzone dot com. You can
it's my substack.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
You can download, like I said, to build for your
state and try to get introduced, get a legislator to
introduce it.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
I have a federal version too.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Maybe you know Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green are
pissed enough at Trump.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
I don't know, but uh and uh, you know, I
update on my case on my website all the time,
so and I right there as well, and I do
like a weekly interview there normally, maybe we got to
interview you about Pickax at some point.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
That'd be fun. I would I would love to do it.
I you know, it's funny. It's funny. I usually, like
I do a lot of interviews and stuff. And the
last time I was on Matt Gates's show, Matt's like,
thank you so much for terrifying me, because I just like,
like when you dive into AI enough and transhumanism and
the technocracy and stuff, it's it's mind modeling, the kind
of the kind of stuff that they're developing. It is.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
And we didn't even get into the possibility with the
nanotech and everything in the shots, you know, and the
transhumanism there, and you know, we were talking about the
AI and robotics, but you know, a lot of people
like doctor Ana Mahalchi and others, and Karen and others.
Thing you know, they're trying to merge us with machines literally,
and that's part of what.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
The shots are about.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
And uh, that's all I mean, a whole different topic,
but I mean I just brushed on that in my case.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
But so yeah, we're moving forward. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Sounds good. Well, we'll definitely have to have you back
on as things develop and as there's new updates with
your case and all that. But I appreciate you coming on,
and it was it was a blest talking to you.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Jeff.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Thank you, of course, Thank you. Everybody. Make sure you
guys are following him. You guys can follow him on
Pickax and go to pickax dot com. Look up look
at look up doctor Sandstone over there, and then that
way you guys can follow him, stay stay up to
date on everything related to this case. We need more
cases like you, like you was saying, just like this
makes you guys are setting up an account on pickax
dot com. We're up in the app here in the
next couple of weeks, so make sure you guys are

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