October 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Today’s episode of The Jeff Dornik Show features Alex Newman, host of The Sentinel Report, in a bold and unfiltered conversation about the true war raging in America—a war not of politics or parties, but of principalities. The battles we see in culture, media, and government are merely the symptoms of a far deeper conflict: good versus evil, truth versus deception, freedom versus control. Together, we’ll expose the spiritual and ideological roots of this chaos and confront the sobering reality that our nation’s survival depends on whether we once again anchor ourselves in truth, the Constitution, and God’s Word.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Covet means for expanding its steer of influence, on infiltration
instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation,
instead of free choice.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
On guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It
is a system which has conscripted vast human and material
resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient
machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.
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Its preparations are concealed, not published.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Its mistakes are buried, not headlined.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Its dissenters are silence, not pray.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hey you now, once you appoint yourself an arbiter, if
what's true and what's not true, then there's really no
and the power they do have now assumed for yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
They are implementing this massive brainwashing attempt to hijack everybody. Hey, guys,
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we're bringing on the one and only Alex Newman. Alex,
welcome to the show. Glad we can sit down here
(03:05):
and chat for a bit.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Great to be here, Thanks for having me, Jef.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, definitely. Well, you know, and it's and I was
telling you a little bit before we went live. I
feel like as of late, I've been focusing a lot
more on like the worldview issues as opposed to the politics,
because I feel like, and you know, the more I've
had conversations with and again, I'm out here in communist California, surrounded.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
By lefties, like the whole deal.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
But the more I talk politics, the less people listen
to me. But the more I talk about, Okay, what
are your beliefs, what do you actually believe? You know,
where where is all this coming from? I feel like
we can actually kind of start to gain some ground
a little bit. What's your take on that kind of mentality?
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Yeah, I believe the worldview issue is absolutely fundamental. We
will never make progress on the political front until we
make progress on the worldview front. And so that's one
one of the big reasons Jeff, that you know, I
have focused on education so passionately for the last fifteen years.
You know, Andrew Breitbart used to say that politics was
down stream from culture, and that's absolutely true. But culture
is downstream from education, which is where the worldview of
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children is formed. And so America went from a nation
that had almost I mean, obviously there were some exceptions,
but almost universal biblical worldview, even the non Christians saw
the world through a biblical lens, right like Thomas Jefferson
and these guys who may not have had a real
relationship with Jesus Christ, but they still saw the world
largely through a biblical lens. Morality came from the scriptures. Now,
(04:28):
if you look at George Barn's information. I just had
George barn on last week, we talked about this, it's
a cataclysm.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I mean, less than one third of.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Pastors have a biblical worldview millennials, I think it's like
nine percent. You get down to gen Z, we're talking
what five percent have a biblical worldview. And that's the
reason why everything else is messed up. That's why their
view on family and politics and culture and entertainment and
everything else is screwed up. So we've got to focus
on this, and if we fail, I think we're going
to end up the same way every other society that
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didn't have a biblical worldview has ended up, tyranny, oppression,
life will be short and brutish, and so we don't
want that.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
No, And it's really interesting too because because as I've
been looking at a lot of the attacks on just
American America as a whole, whether you're talking about you know,
legislatively or culturally or anything along those lines. Everything it
stems from this idea that you know, that there is
no God. It seems like everything kind of comes back
to that one fundamental issue. And you know, whether you're
(05:26):
talking about our constitutional rights being taken away, it's like, well, yeah,
they're denying the existence of God, so they're denying the
rights giver because our founding father said that, you know,
our rights are given to us by God, not government.
You know, like when when you look at you know,
everything from like transhumanism and artificial intelligence to you know,
the attacks and education, it's it's this very like anti
god worldview. And it's on one hand, it's like it's
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propping up self because that's selfishness, that's pride, that's arrogance.
But then on the flip side, it's also like dehumanizing people.
It's a very weird kind of conundrum when you think
about it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
And that's one of the things that's so interesting with
every major AI system that's in existence today's programmed by
people who do not have a biblical worldview. You know,
some of them have a humanist worldview. Some of them
have a Marxist worldview, some of them have a technocratic,
transhumanist worldview. None of them that I'm aware of, have
a biblical world view. So we've been discussing this in
the state of Florida. You know, they want to bring
AI into classrooms around the country. The UN actually demanded
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that every country start adopting AI and education. Trump signed
an executive order to that effect. But what does that
mean if the most powerful technology known to man is
going to have a worldview that's completely at odds with
what I consider to be the true worldview, the worldview
that comes from the Bible. So this is critical for
people to understand and to go back a little bit.
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You know, there was a you can actually document how
this process happened. It's not some like mysterious thing like
everybody woke up and suddenly we realized the Bible was silly,
far far from it. The first guy that seriously proposed
that the government ought to be educating our children, his
worldview was entirely hostile to the Bible. He claimed to
be fighting. His name was Robert Owen, and he claimed
to be fighting the Great Trinity of Evil. Is how
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he described it, and that trinity of evil, he said,
was private property, which goes back to the Bible. Thou
shalt not steal means you have a right to private
property and nobody can take it from you. The institution
of marriage, which he said was outdated, women should be
held in common, you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And then, last, but not least.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Irrational systems of religion, by which he meant particularly Christianity.
So he understood that the way to break down that
biblical worldview that led to things like private property, marriage, family,
and the church was to get the children in government
and doctrination camps call it education. And then you fast forward.
I mean that ended up in Prussia. Horace Man imported
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it back to the United States. Then John Dewey got
hold of the system. And we don't have to speculate
about his worldview. He told us very clearly what it was.
He about thirty of his buddies got together and they
wrote the Humanist Manifesto. And to your point, the first
plank of the Humanist Manifesto was we religious humanists regard
the universe as self ex existing and not created, which,
you know, even if you're not a Christian. The worldview
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implications of that, as you just explained, Jeff, meaning you.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Have no rights right.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
If there is no God who gave you right, you
certainly can't have God given rights.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That means I'm.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
God and you're God, and we all get to be
little gods and determined for ourselves what's right and wrong.
And then this, I would argue, it's more than just
a worldview, it's a theological understanding of the world. This
was actually enshrined, established, if you will, as the national
religion of the United States in the early nineteen sixties
when the Supreme Court removed the Bible and removed prayer.
(08:34):
The guy who wrote the dissent, Justice Potter Stewart, actually
hit the nail on the head. He said, what we've
done here is not neutrality with respect to religion by
kicking the Bible and prayer out. He said, what we
did here was we established the religion of secularism, or humanism,
as Dewey would have said. And of course, you know,
fifty years later we now have humanism is the dominant worldview,
or at least some sort of syncretic mixture of humanism
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and maybe a few elements from the Bible.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
It's very, very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, well yeah, And I think it's really important to
really understand that too, because I think that, you know,
it's very easy for conservatives to often see politics as
like Republican versus Democrat. But like I've seen and this
is you know, and this is this is coming from
somebody who voted for Trump every single election cycle in
the whole deal. But I think one of the negative
ramifications of Trump to a certain degree is the secularization
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of the Republican Party. It's become very much less Christian
based and much more just, you know, we've got to
beat the bad guys kind of a thing, and that
it's become a much more secularized party, not necessarily always
representing our conservative Christian you know, worldview. Have you noticed
that or am I just way off based on that one?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Now you're one hundred percent correct, Chaff. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I was appalled to see an actual pagan prayer at
the twenty twenty four RNC. Maybe I don't know if
people watched it, but there was a prayer to the
generalist pagan deity who Guru or something like this, and
Wahi Guru was referred to as the creator, including the
creator of the United States. And I'm sorry, but Waihi
Guru was not the creator of anything. Jesus Christ was
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the creator. And those are not compatible worldviews, right, Those
are not compatible statements. One is true, the other is false.
It can only be one or the other. And for
virtually all of American history until the modern era, both
parties at least claimed to be solidly grounded in the
Biblical worldview. Both parties assumed presupposed that the Bible was true.
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I mean even the Founding Fathers when they said that
God gave you rights, that presupposes a biblical worldview. Thomas
Jefferson called it a self evident truth, but he actually
borrowed that exact language from people who said these ideas
come straight out of the Bible, people like Samuel Adams
in seventeen seventy two when he wrote on the Rights
of the Colonists, that these ideas come straight out of
the scriptures. And all you have to do is spend
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two seconds thinking about why do you have a right
to life? I mean, where does that idea come from?
What comes from the Bible? Now, shalt not murder? That
means you have a right to life? Why should the
government be involved in helping to stop that, helping to
protect your right to life because God said government exists
to punish evil, and murder is evil. Why do you
have a right to property, Well, because God said, now
shalt not steal. That's the transcendent reason why you have rights.
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And so the more the I mean, the Democrat Party
is already you know, full blown Marxism, Satanism, Islamism, you
pick it, the more the Republican Party now drifts in
that direction of say, well, you know, all truth claims
are are equally valid, the faster our republic will be destroyed.
And so I've been very alarmed to see some of
the trends in the GOP. And I say that as
a Republican who plans to remain a Republican as long
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as possible.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, definitely. Well yeah, and I think I think also too.
You know, I've seen this trend among Christians that are
involved in politics, Like on one hand, they'll say Christians
need to be involved in politics, but then on the
flip side, it's like everybody tries to make like unbiblical
or non biblical, extra biblical arguments when it comes to
dealing with the debates at hand. And on one hand,
I get it, Okay, you don't want to just you know,
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just say well, this verse says this, So this is
what we need to do when you're talking to a
non Christian that doesn't believe that the Bible is true.
So I get that one of thinking. But also so
when you're taking away our source of truth, I feel
like what we're actually doing is we're actually neutering our
argument to a certain degree, because now it's just subjective.
Now it's just well, it's my opinion versus your opinion,
and we can't really, you know, come to any objective
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reality to a certain degree.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Yeah, that's a very good point, and I think people
need to understand that, and I agree with you. You know,
we cite scripture, of course as the foundational truth. But
one of the incredible things about scripture is that it's true.
And therefore you can look at data, you can look
at statistics, you can look at numbers, and what you'll
find is, in every case, all the time, the facts
will support what the scripture teaches. There was, of course,
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a very famous example in the eighteen hundreds in Hungary
where a Jewish doctor started noticing all these women dying
after giving birth from a contagious disease, and of course
they didn't understand microbes and viruses and bacteria and stuff.
But he said, hey, you know, God says we got
to be washing our hands after touching dead bodies. Why
don't we try making all the doctors wash their hands
before they deliver babies. And whoa lo and behold the
(12:56):
babies stopped dying. And well they got all mad. And
well you know that that's a superstition.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
No it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
God said it, And the facts bear out the truth
of what he taught us. And the same is true
with with marriage and and abortion and all of the
issues that today are part of the so called culture wars.
The scripture is our foundational truth, and the facts always
in every case support what the scripture teaches.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think I think another another thing, obviously,
the really big hot button issue I feel like right
now is obviously the whole Israel Palestinians. And then you've
got you know, even concerning and this has been the
really interesting thing about about Israel is that I feel
like historically issues have divided democrat Republican, But this is
one of those things where it's really divided. Both political
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parties where you're talking to both the Democrat Party and
the Republican Party have kind of been divided to a
certain degree over this is over this issue of Israel
and and I and I, and I find myself where
I'm not fully on any of the camps when when
it comes to it, just because I'm like, well, let's
just look at what the Bible says and let's just
follow that and blah blah blah blah blah, why do
we need to send money over here? But also on
the flip side, they're also defending freedom in the Middle East.
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So I get all the different arguments when it comes
to this, But it's been really interesting how even among
Christians it's divided us to the point to where I
feel like, now there's hatred towards other people that we
disagree with, and it's like we can't have the logical
discussion and disagreement and debate and all of that because
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it's so emotional.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. And I guarantee you
this is deliberate, Jeff. They want to divide conservatives, they
especially want to divide Christians and of course, the first
verse that comes to mind is in John seventeen, where
Christ calls on us to be united, to be one,
as he and the Father are one. That was his
prayer that Christians would be united, that we would love
one another. And instead we're allowing evildoers to divide us
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by throwing these bombs into our camp and saying, well,
you have to line up on one side or the
other fully or you're a bad person. And that's frankly ridiculous.
And you have the one size saying you must support
the Israeli government at all costs, on all issues, all
the time. And I think that's self evidently ludicrous to
anybody who's read the scripture. I mean, would you out
go out there and argue that we need to be
giving foreign aid to pick an extreme example, King Ahab
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right and his wicked wife Jezebela.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
A course not right.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
We recognize that even in the Old Testament Israel often
had bad leaders who led Israel into idolatry and child sacrifice,
and you know, we don't want to be caught supporting that.
Of course, we have love for the Jewish people. God
brought the Ten Commandments, God brought the law. God brought revelation.
God brought Jesus Christ through the Jews, through the Jewish people,
and so we love them and honor them for that.
But that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything
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Benjamin and Yaho says like, oh, everybody needs a COVID
vaccine with no, that's a terrible policy idea. And I
think anybody who says that is at the very least
an enemy of freedom. So we don't need to support that.
But you're right that we have a I think a
very concerted effort. There are powerful forces that want to
fracture the unity among American Christians over this issue or
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any other issue that they can come up with, because
that'll make it easier to conquer us and destroy us.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, well it's like like you mentioned, like with the
Old Testament, it's like, you know, we wouldn't want to support,
you know, a bad king. And I think the thing
is that I think, you know, it's like we're supposed
to be more christ Like. It's like, Okay, you look
at the way God dealt with Israel. It was when
they were obedient, arms wide open, prosperity.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
The whole deal.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
When they were disobedient. You know, they were kind of
left to their own devices until they repented and they
came back, and then God was ready and willing and
able as soon as the second they repented, Okay, cool,
we'll fix things up and all that. And I kind
of feel like that's kind of like how our worldview
as Christians should be. But like you also said, it's
like you've got these people that use the strategy of
divide and conquer and they try to pit us against
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each other. And I think that's that's really why a
lot of these arguments have become so emotional. Is now
we're getting into our own little tribes. We're getting splintered off.
And I don't mind disagreeing with people and debating people
and all of that, but at the same time, we
shouldn't be resorting to, well, you're good or you're bad
if you hold this one view that I disagree with.
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I think that that's the problems. It feels like it's
almost all or nothing, as opposed to, well, yeah, I
might agree with you on ninety nine point nine percent
of things, but this one issue you're wrong, and let's
let's duke it out and let's try and figure out
what the objective truth is.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Here, absolutely and what has happened. And I've noticed this
for many, many years. We've kind of developed a circular
firing squad among the forces of resistance to this evil
global agenda.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Well, you don't agree with me on one hundred percent
of things.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Therefore you are the enemy. Therefore I will destroy you.
I was like, guys, we have a real enemy. His
name is Satan. He's trying to take the souls of
our children.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
To hell with him.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Let's focus on that first and foremost, and later we
can have some theological debates about Eschata. And I love
debates about Escata. It's fantastic. Let's do that all day.
But let's not destroy each other, hate each other, turn
on each other, fracture our movements, fracture the unity that
Christ called on us to have in John seventeen because
we disagree on some secondary or even tertiary point of
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doctrine that ultimately is not all that important in the
big scheme of things. And that's something that I've found
in other countries. You know, I've been all over the
world and back many many times. Just earlier this year,
I was in India, and you know, in India, Christians
are being ruthlessly persecuted. Hindu mom will show up and
burn down your church and murder your children. And you know,
they like discussions about theology too, But they're not hating
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each other because they have a disagreement on some minor
point or some minor dispute. In fact, they're united in
the mission of making disciples of all nations, getting them
baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and
the Holy Spirit, and of course of teaching them to
obey all that God commanded us. And I think American
Christians could take a real valuable lesson from the way
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Christians and the church broadly behave and in other countries
where things aren't quite as easy as they are here.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, And I think as well, you know, like
when I so when I first got started in like
podcasting and all that, it was more in the Christian
apologetics world, but it was but it was almost it
was it was less apologetics, even though that's what everybody
always called it. And it was more like a heresy
hunter and you're you're looking for you're looking for whatever
fl teacher you can find and all that, and the
thing like you quickly realize is you could expose every
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single false teacher you come up against, and there's always
going to be another one. There's always going to be
another one, And so there's only so much time that
you can spend on taking down a heretic as opposed
to why don't you just undercut them at the knees
and let's attack their worldview because if you get people
to realize, no, that's false teaching, then they're not going
to follow the false teacher. And I think that that's
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what's missing, both within the Christian world and in politics
as well. Like I've got I've got a lot of friends,
and I count them as friends, but like you know,
for them, it's their mission is to set out and
destroy Donald Trump because they've got Trump arrangement syndrome, right,
So it's like everything that he does is looked at
at through a negative lens and their job is to
destroy him. And I'm just sitting there here thinking like, well,
(19:48):
I disagree with a lot, I agree with a lot.
Why don't we just call balls and strikes. Let's look
at the worldview behind what he's trying to actually push
and articulate and all of that, and then maybe we
could begin to change some minds and maybe affect culture,
if affects society, maybe affect future politics. But I'm just
I'm just sitting here, and I'm like, are we really
gaining anything by going after the personality as opposed to
what they're teaching and saying and doing.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, that's a very very good point, and I've noticed
a lot of that in the Christian community. And again
that seems much more concentrated in America than in other
places where we feel this need to destroy each other.
The reality is, I think we need to have some
more grace, even for people who say really dumb things.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
And I think Charlie Kirk is a prime example of that.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know, a few years ago, you know, I would
go speak at Charlie Kirk's conferences and I would have
so much hate mail from Christian Well, you know, he
platformed a homosexual and one time he said that homosexuality
was okay.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So now you're a heretic. For he grew in.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
His faith, he matured in his faith, he came to
repent of those things and public rebuke those things, and
then he preached the gospel to hundreds of millions of people.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Around the world.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
So what if these guys had succeeded in destroying a
young Charlie Kirk because he had some theological errors.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We need to have some more grace. We need to understand.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
And you know, I'm sure I've got points of doctrine
where I'm wrong, and I hope my brothers and sisters
will have some grace with me. We're all learning, we're
all being sanctified, we're all growing in the Lord, and
you know, we need to take it easy. We need
to realize that our primary enemies are not our brothers
and sisters in the trenches just because they might have
a different view on one particular issue. And the same
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thing is true with Donald Trump, just like you. I've
got some serious concerns about some of the bad policies
coming out of the administration, but there's some good stuff
coming too, And I think it almost discredits us to
just have to say everything he does is bad on
every issue every time. It just makes us look foolish.
And I don't think, frankly, it's very christ Like. You know,
Christ was generally charitable toward people, graceful toward But now, yeah,
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the Pharisees and you know, the political and religious leaders
at the time. Yeah, you guys are a brute of
vipers and your whitewashed tombs, and who's going to save
you from hell? You know, there's a time and a
place for that, you know, Barack Obama comes to mind, right,
Maybe some imprecatory sums, but generally speak, we've got to
have more grace, We've got to speak the truth in love,
and we have to realize that our primary enemy is
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not our brothers and sisters who might be in a
different denomination or might have a different view on some issue.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, what do you think looking at what's happening today
in our country, what do you think are like a
couple of the most important things that we should be
focused on and really attacking that specific kind of either
worldview or belief system or issue that we're dealing with.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Well, one of the things that I think is very dangerous,
and I've been very pleased to help work on this
particular issue, is the idea that Christians should not be
involved in politics. Now, you know, if your conscience convicts
you that you shouldn't be in politics, you know, I'm
not going to stand here and say, well, even if
your conscience convisu you want to go out and get no,
I'm not going to do that, and I'm not going
to hate you or reject you or even suggest that
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you don't have a relationship with the Lord, that you're
not saved. But I think a clear reading of the
Bible would actually command us to be involved. And that
doesn't mean everything we do all day, every day it
needs to be political. That's not our primary task, Like
you said, working on the worldview, working on bringing the
Gospel to people, that in and of itself will lead
to profound political changes. But in the left wing anti
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biblical churches, they're all about activism. They're all about getting involved.
They're all about having the government micro manage our lives
allegedly for the benefit of the poor. And so many
conservative churches they've made it like a point of how
cool they are to say, well, we don't participate in politics.
The reality is Jesus was involved in politics. Jesus still
is involved in politics. He called on us to be
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salt and light. He called on us to love our neighbors.
How can we say we love our neighbors when we're
not getting involved in trying to stop the mass slaughter
of unborn children, right, do you love them or do
you not? Because if you love them, you don't want
them to be slaughtered. And you want the government to
do what God put the government here to do, which
is punished evil, which would certainly include sacrificing unborn babies.
So I think that's a really dangerous thing. And so
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one of the things that I've been working on on
that front. I've been working with the Liberty Pastors Network.
We've done all over the country. We've done these I
think we've done twenty three, maybe twenty four.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Now.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
We've got another one coming up in Michigan here real soon,
where we're bringing in hundreds of pastors. They can bring
their wives what they want, and they get four days
of teaching on how to apply the Scripture to everything,
climate change, the Great Reset, communism, globalism, political issues, entertainment, family,
all these things. And we're seeing incredible fruit from that,
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and I think that's what's really needed. We've had almost
fifty years of silence in the pulpit about what the
Bible says on all these issues that we're not supposed
to be allowed to talk about. My Bible talks more
about politics and government than it does about heaven. I
think God thinks it's kind of important. Paul says, we
how to preach the whole Council of God. What are
we doing preaching, you know, fifty two different versions of
John three sixteen sermons every week. It's just it's silliness.
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So I think in the church that is one of
the key issues is we've got to recognize the Bible
applies to everything. Jesus should be the lord of every
area of our life, not just our Sunday morning. So
that's one of the big things. When it comes to,
you know, the political issues. I'm glad that seeing this
awakening among young people. I think we need to encourage that.
(25:04):
But you know, we've we've talked about some of the
division that's coming in and I think that's something that
we really need to focus on combating if we're going
to be successful both in discipling the nations and also
in trying to rescue our civilization from collapse.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Well, and and I think I think it's I think
it's one of the especially when it comes to the
division things, because I think that that's going to lead
a lot of people astray, because because and I know
from experience how easy it is to get kind of
sucked into the personality wars, and it's like you find
your tribe and you fighting the other tribe, and you know,
all all that kind of stuff, and and and on.
On one hand, you feel when you're in the moment,
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you feel like you're you're fighting the righteous fight, and
you're you say, it's a righteous anger, and you do
all of that, but also you know what you're doing
is by taking a strong stand on what you believe
to be true, which I find commendable on the on
the flip side, you're causing the unnecessary division. There's certain
things that we should divide over, and it's very blatantly
you know, heretical, false teaching and all of that. But
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also on the flip side, there's a lot of things
that we can disagree over it, but maybe there's other
things that we can agree on. And that's the thing
that you know, And I've gotten a lot of flak
from a lot of Christians over over the years for
aligning with people that I staunchly disagree on a wide
variety of things, But it's because I agreed with them
on that particular issue, right, And so like, like I
wrote a book called you know, Church and State, and
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I had doctor Michael Brown. He wrote he wrote a
chapter in the book.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I got a lot of crap for.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Doing that, but it was specifically about wote Christianity. I
disagree with them on like probably sixty seventy eighty percent
of the things that he says, but he was right
on that issue. And you know, I got I got
a lot of flak for m seeing like a brand
and Strock event for walk Away. I'm like, yeah, I
want I want people to walk away from the Democrat Party.
I think that's a commendable thing that we should that
we should be doing. It's not an endorsement of his
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homosexual lifestyle. And I think it's one of those things
where I think if we kind of begin to approach
it from that perspective, it's like we can stay strong
on our beliefs without without compromising them, but then find
points of agreement on other things and just make it clear, Look,
I'm not endorsing everything, but I find common ground on
this one issue. So we're going to fight on this
one issue together.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I think that's critical and it's something that our side
has really been poor at and that the totalitarians, the
evil doers, have been very good at right. They're excellent
at forming these coalitions every and all these groups all
this big money because they're united on that one issue,
and instead of a circular firing squad where they're all
destroying each other, they're marching in unison on that particular issue.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
We've got to get better about that.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
And one of the issues that I think is the
most important, and I see this happening even on this issue,
is the education of our children. The Bible is crystal
clear as far as I'm concerned on education. Education must
put the fear of the Lord at the center of
Proverbs one seven, Proverbs nine to ten, the Lord's beginning
of wisdom, it's the beginning of knowledge. It is the
responsibility of parents. And yes, they can delegate some of that,
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but we cannot delegate that to an antichrist system that
hates God. That starts from the presupposition that the Bible
is ridiculous, and that if we mention it at all,
it's as a joke, you know, something quaint. And so
I've noticed that a lot of pastors get really sensitive
about that because maybe their their wife worked at a
public school, or maybe they sent their children too a
public school, or maybe they've got four people in the
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congregation who tied regularly who work in a public school.
And that's one of those issues that is so critical.
If we don't deal with this issue. And I'm encouraged
by what's happening, I should say millions of families have
fled the system over the last few years. Millions more
are going to flee. You know, I'm senior fellow at
classical Conversations. We've got one hundred and thirty five thousand students. Now,
it's bigger than almost every school district in this country
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graduated over a million students. So huge things are happening
on that front. But it's no thanks to the pastors.
For the most part, it's no thanks to the churches.
They don't want to explain what's going on in the
government schools. They don't want to explain what God teaches
so clearly about the education and discipleship of our children.
And frankly, I believe that's one of the reasons we're
in this crisis, because pastors have not explained to parents.
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I mean, that's one of the purposes of the church
to equip the saints to to do what we need
to do. If you don't preach what the Bible teaches
on issues as critical as the raising of the next generation,
why are we surprised when our country is falling apart
at the scene is when our families are collapsing all
around us, when the churches are being hollowed out. Eighty
percent of our young people, after twelve years in a
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government school, are leaving the church, leaving the faith, and
most of them aren't coming back. So we've got to
take these issues seriously.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, I think it's so important too, because the Bible
clearly teaches that it's supposed to be parents that are
teaching your children the ways to go, not you know,
passing that off, passing the buck off to some random
teacher that you don't know what their belief system is
and all that. And it's really interesting too, because you know,
we're we're homeschooling again. We're out here in comunist California,
so we kind of have to a little bit. But
it's interesting, you know, like our son is three, so
obviously very young, very early. It's like maybe ten to
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fifteen minutes a day and literally sitting down, learning Bible verses,
learning the States, certain things like that. But one of
the interesting things that I've noticed about a lot of
us friends that are already's already been in school since
the age of two, is that is that his behavior
is much is much better than a lot of a
friends that are going to school. And that's not to
say that's not the bragle, it's not to do it,
but it's an interesting thing because the kids that I
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noticed that are homeschooled, especially early on at this age,
they're much more well behaved. In my theory, and you know,
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, but my
theory is that because he's around us all the time,
he's modeling his behavior after us who are adults and
grown ups. Whereas if you're sending your kids to school,
they're peers. They're modeling their friends, they're modeling people that
are their peers that are too three years old. They
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kind of have some bad attitudes and some bad you know,
mentalities because they have been taught, they have been trained,
they don't understand God's word and all that kind of stuff.
And so so it's interesting I even find it just
from that one anecdotal perspective is that, you know, I
think that it's it's much more effective to make sure
that your kids are being you know, modeled. They're modeling
their behavior after somebody who is godly, who does believe
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in God's word, that does have the right kind of worldview,
even at this young of an age, because if otherwise,
I think that this is a big reason why you know,
kids are turning out so self centered after high school
and in the college, is because they're modeling their behavior
after their peers as opposed to an adult, and modeling
the behavior moving forward as opposed to just you know,
modeling you know, really bad anti God, you know, immature behavior.
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If that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, and that's exactly what the scriptures say we should expect.
Right in Luke Jesus actually says that the student is
not greater than his teacher, but the student is going
to end up like the teacher. They will believe and
behave as the teacher. And we've got a system now
that is openly hostile to God, that is encouraging defiance
of parents, that is encouraging disrespect for legitimate authority and
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unquestioning obedience to illegitimate authority that is openly promoting paganism
and witchcraft and every kind of wicked thing you could imagine,
and then we act surprised. Right, And by the way,
your anecdote is fully supported by the data. There's a
wonderful organization called NARI, the National Home Education Research Institute.
They've been tracking this data for forty years. Homeschoolers, on average,
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you way better academically, they're way better social life. As
they do better or later in life, they get better jobs,
they get better degree, they're more tolerant. Certainly they behave better.
And I think it goes back to something that Jesus
told us, right. Jesus is quoted in Luke and also
in Matthew saying whoever is not with me is against me.
And so just apply that for a moment to the
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system that is educating about eighty five percent of America's children.
Who could make an argument that today's government school system
is with Christ? Who could make an argument today that
most of the people in this system.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Are with Christ.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
I mean, we all know that's ridiculous, right, So if
they're not with Christ, that only leaves one option parents,
is that who you want discipling your children when you know,
when Jesus told you that the students are going to
end up like their teacher. I mean, for me, it's
a no brainer. And I fail to see how more
Christians have not yet figured this out.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, no, definitely, And it's super important that that people
do and they think that. That's why it's important that
you know, people like you give your voice, getting out
there and helping to wake people up. And I think
we need we need more people this up up and
begin to talk. Whether you're watching this and maybe you're
just like, yeah, you know what, I want to help
to do more. You don't have to have a show,
you don't have to go speak, just go talk to
your friends, talk to your family, like have like good
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conversations and ask questions and you know, and I think
we can begin to really gain some ground land and
I think we're already beginning to right now. But we
just need more and more activity and all that kind
of stuff. So if people want to follow you, tune
your show, all that kind of stuff, where's the best
place for them to do that?
Speaker 6 (33:26):
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on Pickaxe as well. I hope people will follow me there.
I love what you're doing there, Jeff. This is an
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taking even more action to silence those of us who
speak the truth. So I would encourage people follow me
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Speaker 4 (33:59):
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forward to doing it again sometime down the road.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I'm looking forward to it as well. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 5 (03:06):
Great to be here, Thanks for having me, Jef.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, definitely. Well, you know, and it's and I was
telling you a little bit before we went live. I
feel like as of late, I've been focusing a lot
more on like the worldview issues as opposed to the politics,
because I feel like, and you know, the more I've
had conversations with and again, I'm out here in communist California, surrounded.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
By lefties, like the whole deal.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
But the more I talk politics, the less people listen
to me. But the more I talk about, Okay, what
are your beliefs, what do you actually believe? You know,
where where is all this coming from? I feel like
we can actually kind of start to gain some ground
a little bit. What's your take on that kind of mentality?
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Yeah, I believe the worldview issue is absolutely fundamental. We
will never make progress on the political front until we
make progress on the worldview front. And so that's one
one of the big reasons Jeff, that you know, I
have focused on education so passionately for the last fifteen years.
You know, Andrew Breitbart used to say that politics was
down stream from culture, and that's absolutely true. But culture
is downstream from education, which is where the worldview of
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children is formed. And so America went from a nation
that had almost I mean, obviously there were some exceptions,
but almost universal biblical worldview, even the non Christians saw
the world through a biblical lens, right like Thomas Jefferson
and these guys who may not have had a real
relationship with Jesus Christ, but they still saw the world
largely through a biblical lens. Morality came from the scriptures. Now,
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if you look at George Barn's information. I just had
George barn on last week, we talked about this, it's
a cataclysm.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I mean, less than one third of.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Pastors have a biblical worldview millennials, I think it's like
nine percent. You get down to gen Z, we're talking
what five percent have a biblical worldview. And that's the
reason why everything else is messed up. That's why their
view on family and politics and culture and entertainment and
everything else is screwed up. So we've got to focus
on this, and if we fail, I think we're going
to end up the same way every other society that
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didn't have a biblical worldview has ended up, tyranny, oppression,
life will be short and brutish, and so we don't
want that.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
No, And it's really interesting too because because as I've
been looking at a lot of the attacks on just
American America as a whole, whether you're talking about you know,
legislatively or culturally or anything along those lines. Everything it
stems from this idea that you know, that there is
no God. It seems like everything kind of comes back
to that one fundamental issue. And you know, whether you're
(05:26):
talking about our constitutional rights being taken away, it's like, well, yeah,
they're denying the existence of God, so they're denying the
rights giver because our founding father said that, you know,
our rights are given to us by God, not government.
You know, like when when you look at you know,
everything from like transhumanism and artificial intelligence to you know,
the attacks and education, it's it's this very like anti
god worldview. And it's on one hand, it's like it's
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propping up self because that's selfishness, that's pride, that's arrogance.
But then on the flip side, it's also like dehumanizing people.
It's a very weird kind of conundrum when you think
about it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
And that's one of the things that's so interesting with
every major AI system that's in existence today's programmed by
people who do not have a biblical worldview. You know,
some of them have a humanist worldview. Some of them
have a Marxist worldview, some of them have a technocratic,
transhumanist worldview. None of them that I'm aware of, have
a biblical world view. So we've been discussing this in
the state of Florida. You know, they want to bring
AI into classrooms around the country. The UN actually demanded
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that every country start adopting AI and education. Trump signed
an executive order to that effect. But what does that
mean if the most powerful technology known to man is
going to have a worldview that's completely at odds with
what I consider to be the true worldview, the worldview
that comes from the Bible. So this is critical for
people to understand and to go back a little bit.
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You know, there was a you can actually document how
this process happened. It's not some like mysterious thing like
everybody woke up and suddenly we realized the Bible was silly,
far far from it. The first guy that seriously proposed
that the government ought to be educating our children, his
worldview was entirely hostile to the Bible. He claimed to
be fighting. His name was Robert Owen, and he claimed
to be fighting the Great Trinity of Evil. Is how
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he described it, and that trinity of evil, he said,
was private property, which goes back to the Bible. Thou
shalt not steal means you have a right to private
property and nobody can take it from you. The institution
of marriage, which he said was outdated, women should be
held in common, you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And then, last, but not least.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Irrational systems of religion, by which he meant particularly Christianity.
So he understood that the way to break down that
biblical worldview that led to things like private property, marriage, family,
and the church was to get the children in government
and doctrination camps call it education. And then you fast forward.
I mean that ended up in Prussia. Horace Man imported
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it back to the United States. Then John Dewey got
hold of the system. And we don't have to speculate
about his worldview. He told us very clearly what it was.
He about thirty of his buddies got together and they
wrote the Humanist Manifesto. And to your point, the first
plank of the Humanist Manifesto was we religious humanists regard
the universe as self ex existing and not created, which,
you know, even if you're not a Christian. The worldview
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implications of that, as you just explained, Jeff, meaning you.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Have no rights right.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
If there is no God who gave you right, you
certainly can't have God given rights.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That means I'm.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
God and you're God, and we all get to be
little gods and determined for ourselves what's right and wrong.
And then this, I would argue, it's more than just
a worldview, it's a theological understanding of the world. This
was actually enshrined, established, if you will, as the national
religion of the United States in the early nineteen sixties
when the Supreme Court removed the Bible and removed prayer.
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The guy who wrote the dissent, Justice Potter Stewart, actually
hit the nail on the head. He said, what we've
done here is not neutrality with respect to religion by
kicking the Bible and prayer out. He said, what we
did here was we established the religion of secularism, or humanism,
as Dewey would have said. And of course, you know,
fifty years later we now have humanism is the dominant worldview,
or at least some sort of syncretic mixture of humanism
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and maybe a few elements from the Bible.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
It's very, very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, well yeah, And I think it's really important to
really understand that too, because I think that, you know,
it's very easy for conservatives to often see politics as
like Republican versus Democrat. But like I've seen and this
is you know, and this is this is coming from
somebody who voted for Trump every single election cycle in
the whole deal. But I think one of the negative
ramifications of Trump to a certain degree is the secularization
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of the Republican Party. It's become very much less Christian
based and much more just, you know, we've got to
beat the bad guys kind of a thing, and that
it's become a much more secularized party, not necessarily always
representing our conservative Christian you know, worldview. Have you noticed
that or am I just way off based on that one?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Now you're one hundred percent correct, Chaff. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I was appalled to see an actual pagan prayer at
the twenty twenty four RNC. Maybe I don't know if
people watched it, but there was a prayer to the
generalist pagan deity who Guru or something like this, and
Wahi Guru was referred to as the creator, including the
creator of the United States. And I'm sorry, but Waihi
Guru was not the creator of anything. Jesus Christ was
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the creator. And those are not compatible worldviews, right, Those
are not compatible statements. One is true, the other is false.
It can only be one or the other. And for
virtually all of American history until the modern era, both
parties at least claimed to be solidly grounded in the
Biblical worldview. Both parties assumed presupposed that the Bible was true.
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I mean even the Founding Fathers when they said that
God gave you rights, that presupposes a biblical worldview. Thomas
Jefferson called it a self evident truth, but he actually
borrowed that exact language from people who said these ideas
come straight out of the Bible, people like Samuel Adams
in seventeen seventy two when he wrote on the Rights
of the Colonists, that these ideas come straight out of
the scriptures. And all you have to do is spend
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two seconds thinking about why do you have a right
to life? I mean, where does that idea come from?
What comes from the Bible? Now, shalt not murder? That
means you have a right to life? Why should the
government be involved in helping to stop that, helping to
protect your right to life because God said government exists
to punish evil, and murder is evil. Why do you
have a right to property, Well, because God said, now
shalt not steal. That's the transcendent reason why you have rights.
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And so the more the I mean, the Democrat Party
is already you know, full blown Marxism, Satanism, Islamism, you
pick it, the more the Republican Party now drifts in
that direction of say, well, you know, all truth claims
are are equally valid, the faster our republic will be destroyed.
And so I've been very alarmed to see some of
the trends in the GOP. And I say that as
a Republican who plans to remain a Republican as long
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as possible.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, definitely. Well yeah, and I think I think also too.
You know, I've seen this trend among Christians that are
involved in politics, Like on one hand, they'll say Christians
need to be involved in politics, but then on the
flip side, it's like everybody tries to make like unbiblical
or non biblical, extra biblical arguments when it comes to
dealing with the debates at hand. And on one hand,
I get it, Okay, you don't want to just you know,
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just say well, this verse says this, So this is
what we need to do when you're talking to a
non Christian that doesn't believe that the Bible is true.
So I get that one of thinking. But also so
when you're taking away our source of truth, I feel
like what we're actually doing is we're actually neutering our
argument to a certain degree, because now it's just subjective.
Now it's just well, it's my opinion versus your opinion,
and we can't really, you know, come to any objective
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reality to a certain degree.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Yeah, that's a very good point, and I think people
need to understand that, and I agree with you. You know,
we cite scripture, of course as the foundational truth. But
one of the incredible things about scripture is that it's true.
And therefore you can look at data, you can look
at statistics, you can look at numbers, and what you'll
find is, in every case, all the time, the facts
will support what the scripture teaches. There was, of course,
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a very famous example in the eighteen hundreds in Hungary
where a Jewish doctor started noticing all these women dying
after giving birth from a contagious disease, and of course
they didn't understand microbes and viruses and bacteria and stuff.
But he said, hey, you know, God says we got
to be washing our hands after touching dead bodies. Why
don't we try making all the doctors wash their hands
before they deliver babies. And whoa lo and behold the
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babies stopped dying. And well they got all mad. And
well you know that that's a superstition.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
No it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
God said it, And the facts bear out the truth
of what he taught us. And the same is true
with with marriage and and abortion and all of the
issues that today are part of the so called culture wars.
The scripture is our foundational truth, and the facts always
in every case support what the scripture teaches.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think I think another another thing, obviously,
the really big hot button issue I feel like right
now is obviously the whole Israel Palestinians. And then you've
got you know, even concerning and this has been the
really interesting thing about about Israel is that I feel
like historically issues have divided democrat Republican, But this is
one of those things where it's really divided. Both political
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parties where you're talking to both the Democrat Party and
the Republican Party have kind of been divided to a
certain degree over this is over this issue of Israel
and and I and I, and I find myself where
I'm not fully on any of the camps when when
it comes to it, just because I'm like, well, let's
just look at what the Bible says and let's just
follow that and blah blah blah blah blah, why do
we need to send money over here? But also on
the flip side, they're also defending freedom in the Middle East.
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So I get all the different arguments when it comes
to this, But it's been really interesting how even among
Christians it's divided us to the point to where I
feel like, now there's hatred towards other people that we
disagree with, and it's like we can't have the logical
discussion and disagreement and debate and all of that because
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it's so emotional.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. And I guarantee you
this is deliberate, Jeff. They want to divide conservatives, they
especially want to divide Christians and of course, the first
verse that comes to mind is in John seventeen, where
Christ calls on us to be united, to be one,
as he and the Father are one. That was his
prayer that Christians would be united, that we would love
one another. And instead we're allowing evildoers to divide us
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by throwing these bombs into our camp and saying, well,
you have to line up on one side or the
other fully or you're a bad person. And that's frankly ridiculous.
And you have the one size saying you must support
the Israeli government at all costs, on all issues, all
the time. And I think that's self evidently ludicrous to
anybody who's read the scripture. I mean, would you out
go out there and argue that we need to be
giving foreign aid to pick an extreme example, King Ahab
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right and his wicked wife Jezebela.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
A course not right.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
We recognize that even in the Old Testament Israel often
had bad leaders who led Israel into idolatry and child sacrifice,
and you know, we don't want to be caught supporting that.
Of course, we have love for the Jewish people. God
brought the Ten Commandments, God brought the law. God brought revelation.
God brought Jesus Christ through the Jews, through the Jewish people,
and so we love them and honor them for that.
But that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything
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Benjamin and Yaho says like, oh, everybody needs a COVID
vaccine with no, that's a terrible policy idea. And I
think anybody who says that is at the very least
an enemy of freedom. So we don't need to support that.
But you're right that we have a I think a
very concerted effort. There are powerful forces that want to
fracture the unity among American Christians over this issue or
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any other issue that they can come up with, because
that'll make it easier to conquer us and destroy us.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, well it's like like you mentioned, like with the
Old Testament, it's like, you know, we wouldn't want to support,
you know, a bad king. And I think the thing
is that I think, you know, it's like we're supposed
to be more christ Like. It's like, Okay, you look
at the way God dealt with Israel. It was when
they were obedient, arms wide open, prosperity.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
The whole deal.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
When they were disobedient. You know, they were kind of
left to their own devices until they repented and they
came back, and then God was ready and willing and
able as soon as the second they repented, Okay, cool,
we'll fix things up and all that. And I kind
of feel like that's kind of like how our worldview
as Christians should be. But like you also said, it's
like you've got these people that use the strategy of
divide and conquer and they try to pit us against
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each other. And I think that's that's really why a
lot of these arguments have become so emotional. Is now
we're getting into our own little tribes. We're getting splintered off.
And I don't mind disagreeing with people and debating people
and all of that, but at the same time, we
shouldn't be resorting to, well, you're good or you're bad
if you hold this one view that I disagree with.
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I think that that's the problems. It feels like it's
almost all or nothing, as opposed to, well, yeah, I
might agree with you on ninety nine point nine percent
of things, but this one issue you're wrong, and let's
let's duke it out and let's try and figure out
what the objective truth is.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Here, absolutely and what has happened. And I've noticed this
for many, many years. We've kind of developed a circular
firing squad among the forces of resistance to this evil
global agenda.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Well, you don't agree with me on one hundred percent
of things.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Therefore you are the enemy. Therefore I will destroy you.
I was like, guys, we have a real enemy. His
name is Satan. He's trying to take the souls of
our children.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
To hell with him.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Let's focus on that first and foremost, and later we
can have some theological debates about Eschata. And I love
debates about Escata. It's fantastic. Let's do that all day.
But let's not destroy each other, hate each other, turn
on each other, fracture our movements, fracture the unity that
Christ called on us to have in John seventeen because
we disagree on some secondary or even tertiary point of
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doctrine that ultimately is not all that important in the
big scheme of things. And that's something that I've found
in other countries. You know, I've been all over the
world and back many many times. Just earlier this year,
I was in India, and you know, in India, Christians
are being ruthlessly persecuted. Hindu mom will show up and
burn down your church and murder your children. And you know,
they like discussions about theology too, But they're not hating
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each other because they have a disagreement on some minor
point or some minor dispute. In fact, they're united in
the mission of making disciples of all nations, getting them
baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and
the Holy Spirit, and of course of teaching them to
obey all that God commanded us. And I think American
Christians could take a real valuable lesson from the way
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Christians and the church broadly behave and in other countries
where things aren't quite as easy as they are here.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, And I think as well, you know, like
when I so when I first got started in like
podcasting and all that, it was more in the Christian
apologetics world, but it was but it was almost it
was it was less apologetics, even though that's what everybody
always called it. And it was more like a heresy
hunter and you're you're looking for you're looking for whatever
fl teacher you can find and all that, and the
thing like you quickly realize is you could expose every
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single false teacher you come up against, and there's always
going to be another one. There's always going to be
another one, And so there's only so much time that
you can spend on taking down a heretic as opposed
to why don't you just undercut them at the knees
and let's attack their worldview because if you get people
to realize, no, that's false teaching, then they're not going
to follow the false teacher. And I think that that's
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what's missing, both within the Christian world and in politics
as well. Like I've got I've got a lot of friends,
and I count them as friends, but like you know,
for them, it's their mission is to set out and
destroy Donald Trump because they've got Trump arrangement syndrome, right,
So it's like everything that he does is looked at
at through a negative lens and their job is to
destroy him. And I'm just sitting there here thinking like, well,
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I disagree with a lot, I agree with a lot.
Why don't we just call balls and strikes. Let's look
at the worldview behind what he's trying to actually push
and articulate and all of that, and then maybe we
could begin to change some minds and maybe affect culture,
if affects society, maybe affect future politics. But I'm just
I'm just sitting here, and I'm like, are we really
gaining anything by going after the personality as opposed to
what they're teaching and saying and doing.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, that's a very very good point, and I've noticed
a lot of that in the Christian community. And again
that seems much more concentrated in America than in other
places where we feel this need to destroy each other.
The reality is, I think we need to have some
more grace, even for people who say really dumb things.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
And I think Charlie Kirk is a prime example of that.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know, a few years ago, you know, I would
go speak at Charlie Kirk's conferences and I would have
so much hate mail from Christian Well, you know, he
platformed a homosexual and one time he said that homosexuality
was okay.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So now you're a heretic. For he grew in.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
His faith, he matured in his faith, he came to
repent of those things and public rebuke those things, and
then he preached the gospel to hundreds of millions of people.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Around the world.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
So what if these guys had succeeded in destroying a
young Charlie Kirk because he had some theological errors.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We need to have some more grace. We need to understand.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
And you know, I'm sure I've got points of doctrine
where I'm wrong, and I hope my brothers and sisters
will have some grace with me. We're all learning, we're
all being sanctified, we're all growing in the Lord, and
you know, we need to take it easy. We need
to realize that our primary enemies are not our brothers
and sisters in the trenches just because they might have
a different view on one particular issue. And the same
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thing is true with Donald Trump, just like you. I've
got some serious concerns about some of the bad policies
coming out of the administration, but there's some good stuff
coming too, And I think it almost discredits us to
just have to say everything he does is bad on
every issue every time. It just makes us look foolish.
And I don't think, frankly, it's very christ Like. You know,
Christ was generally charitable toward people, graceful toward But now, yeah,
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the Pharisees and you know, the political and religious leaders
at the time. Yeah, you guys are a brute of
vipers and your whitewashed tombs, and who's going to save
you from hell? You know, there's a time and a
place for that, you know, Barack Obama comes to mind, right,
Maybe some imprecatory sums, but generally speak, we've got to
have more grace, We've got to speak the truth in love,
and we have to realize that our primary enemy is
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not our brothers and sisters who might be in a
different denomination or might have a different view on some issue.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, what do you think looking at what's happening today
in our country, what do you think are like a
couple of the most important things that we should be
focused on and really attacking that specific kind of either
worldview or belief system or issue that we're dealing with.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Well, one of the things that I think is very dangerous,
and I've been very pleased to help work on this
particular issue, is the idea that Christians should not be
involved in politics. Now, you know, if your conscience convicts
you that you shouldn't be in politics, you know, I'm
not going to stand here and say, well, even if
your conscience convisu you want to go out and get no,
I'm not going to do that, and I'm not going
to hate you or reject you or even suggest that
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you don't have a relationship with the Lord, that you're
not saved. But I think a clear reading of the
Bible would actually command us to be involved. And that
doesn't mean everything we do all day, every day it
needs to be political. That's not our primary task, Like
you said, working on the worldview, working on bringing the
Gospel to people, that in and of itself will lead
to profound political changes. But in the left wing anti
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biblical churches, they're all about activism. They're all about getting involved.
They're all about having the government micro manage our lives
allegedly for the benefit of the poor. And so many
conservative churches they've made it like a point of how
cool they are to say, well, we don't participate in politics.
The reality is Jesus was involved in politics. Jesus still
is involved in politics. He called on us to be
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salt and light. He called on us to love our neighbors.
How can we say we love our neighbors when we're
not getting involved in trying to stop the mass slaughter
of unborn children, right, do you love them or do
you not? Because if you love them, you don't want
them to be slaughtered. And you want the government to
do what God put the government here to do, which
is punished evil, which would certainly include sacrificing unborn babies.
So I think that's a really dangerous thing. And so
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one of the things that I've been working on on
that front. I've been working with the Liberty Pastors Network.
We've done all over the country. We've done these I
think we've done twenty three, maybe twenty four.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Now.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
We've got another one coming up in Michigan here real soon,
where we're bringing in hundreds of pastors. They can bring
their wives what they want, and they get four days
of teaching on how to apply the Scripture to everything,
climate change, the Great Reset, communism, globalism, political issues, entertainment, family,
all these things. And we're seeing incredible fruit from that,
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and I think that's what's really needed. We've had almost
fifty years of silence in the pulpit about what the
Bible says on all these issues that we're not supposed
to be allowed to talk about. My Bible talks more
about politics and government than it does about heaven. I
think God thinks it's kind of important. Paul says, we
how to preach the whole Council of God. What are
we doing preaching, you know, fifty two different versions of
John three sixteen sermons every week. It's just it's silliness.
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So I think in the church that is one of
the key issues is we've got to recognize the Bible
applies to everything. Jesus should be the lord of every
area of our life, not just our Sunday morning. So
that's one of the big things. When it comes to,
you know, the political issues. I'm glad that seeing this
awakening among young people. I think we need to encourage that.
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But you know, we've we've talked about some of the
division that's coming in and I think that's something that
we really need to focus on combating if we're going
to be successful both in discipling the nations and also
in trying to rescue our civilization from collapse.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Well, and and I think I think it's I think
it's one of the especially when it comes to the
division things, because I think that that's going to lead
a lot of people astray, because because and I know
from experience how easy it is to get kind of
sucked into the personality wars, and it's like you find
your tribe and you fighting the other tribe, and you know,
all all that kind of stuff, and and and on.
On one hand, you feel when you're in the moment,
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you feel like you're you're fighting the righteous fight, and
you're you say, it's a righteous anger, and you do
all of that, but also you know what you're doing
is by taking a strong stand on what you believe
to be true, which I find commendable on the on
the flip side, you're causing the unnecessary division. There's certain
things that we should divide over, and it's very blatantly
you know, heretical, false teaching and all of that. But
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also on the flip side, there's a lot of things
that we can disagree over it, but maybe there's other
things that we can agree on. And that's the thing
that you know, And I've gotten a lot of flak
from a lot of Christians over over the years for
aligning with people that I staunchly disagree on a wide
variety of things, But it's because I agreed with them
on that particular issue, right, And so like, like I
wrote a book called you know, Church and State, and
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I had doctor Michael Brown. He wrote he wrote a
chapter in the book.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I got a lot of crap for.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Doing that, but it was specifically about wote Christianity. I
disagree with them on like probably sixty seventy eighty percent
of the things that he says, but he was right
on that issue. And you know, I got I got
a lot of flak for m seeing like a brand
and Strock event for walk Away. I'm like, yeah, I
want I want people to walk away from the Democrat Party.
I think that's a commendable thing that we should that
we should be doing. It's not an endorsement of his
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homosexual lifestyle. And I think it's one of those things
where I think if we kind of begin to approach
it from that perspective, it's like we can stay strong
on our beliefs without without compromising them, but then find
points of agreement on other things and just make it clear, Look,
I'm not endorsing everything, but I find common ground on
this one issue. So we're going to fight on this
one issue together.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I think that's critical and it's something that our side
has really been poor at and that the totalitarians, the
evil doers, have been very good at right. They're excellent
at forming these coalitions every and all these groups all
this big money because they're united on that one issue,
and instead of a circular firing squad where they're all
destroying each other, they're marching in unison on that particular issue.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
We've got to get better about that.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
And one of the issues that I think is the
most important, and I see this happening even on this issue,
is the education of our children. The Bible is crystal
clear as far as I'm concerned on education. Education must
put the fear of the Lord at the center of
Proverbs one seven, Proverbs nine to ten, the Lord's beginning
of wisdom, it's the beginning of knowledge. It is the
responsibility of parents. And yes, they can delegate some of that,
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but we cannot delegate that to an antichrist system that
hates God. That starts from the presupposition that the Bible
is ridiculous, and that if we mention it at all,
it's as a joke, you know, something quaint. And so
I've noticed that a lot of pastors get really sensitive
about that because maybe their their wife worked at a
public school, or maybe they sent their children too a
public school, or maybe they've got four people in the
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congregation who tied regularly who work in a public school.
And that's one of those issues that is so critical.
If we don't deal with this issue. And I'm encouraged
by what's happening, I should say millions of families have
fled the system over the last few years. Millions more
are going to flee. You know, I'm senior fellow at
classical Conversations. We've got one hundred and thirty five thousand students. Now,
it's bigger than almost every school district in this country
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graduated over a million students. So huge things are happening
on that front. But it's no thanks to the pastors.
For the most part, it's no thanks to the churches.
They don't want to explain what's going on in the
government schools. They don't want to explain what God teaches
so clearly about the education and discipleship of our children.
And frankly, I believe that's one of the reasons we're
in this crisis, because pastors have not explained to parents.
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I mean, that's one of the purposes of the church
to equip the saints to to do what we need
to do. If you don't preach what the Bible teaches
on issues as critical as the raising of the next generation,
why are we surprised when our country is falling apart
at the scene is when our families are collapsing all
around us, when the churches are being hollowed out. Eighty
percent of our young people, after twelve years in a
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government school, are leaving the church, leaving the faith, and
most of them aren't coming back. So we've got to
take these issues seriously.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, I think it's so important too, because the Bible
clearly teaches that it's supposed to be parents that are
teaching your children the ways to go, not you know,
passing that off, passing the buck off to some random
teacher that you don't know what their belief system is
and all that. And it's really interesting too, because you know,
we're we're homeschooling again. We're out here in comunist California,
so we kind of have to a little bit. But
it's interesting, you know, like our son is three, so
obviously very young, very early. It's like maybe ten to
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fifteen minutes a day and literally sitting down, learning Bible verses,
learning the States, certain things like that. But one of
the interesting things that I've noticed about a lot of
us friends that are already's already been in school since
the age of two, is that is that his behavior
is much is much better than a lot of a
friends that are going to school. And that's not to
say that's not the bragle, it's not to do it,
but it's an interesting thing because the kids that I
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noticed that are homeschooled, especially early on at this age,
they're much more well behaved. In my theory, and you know,
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, but my
theory is that because he's around us all the time,
he's modeling his behavior after us who are adults and
grown ups. Whereas if you're sending your kids to school,
they're peers. They're modeling their friends, they're modeling people that
are their peers that are too three years old. They
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kind of have some bad attitudes and some bad you know,
mentalities because they have been taught, they have been trained,
they don't understand God's word and all that kind of stuff.
And so so it's interesting I even find it just
from that one anecdotal perspective is that, you know, I
think that it's it's much more effective to make sure
that your kids are being you know, modeled. They're modeling
their behavior after somebody who is godly, who does believe
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in God's word, that does have the right kind of worldview,
even at this young of an age, because if otherwise,
I think that this is a big reason why you know,
kids are turning out so self centered after high school
and in the college, is because they're modeling their behavior
after their peers as opposed to an adult, and modeling
the behavior moving forward as opposed to just you know,
modeling you know, really bad anti God, you know, immature behavior.
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If that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, and that's exactly what the scriptures say we should expect.
Right in Luke Jesus actually says that the student is
not greater than his teacher, but the student is going
to end up like the teacher. They will believe and
behave as the teacher. And we've got a system now
that is openly hostile to God, that is encouraging defiance
of parents, that is encouraging disrespect for legitimate authority and
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unquestioning obedience to illegitimate authority that is openly promoting paganism
and witchcraft and every kind of wicked thing you could imagine,
and then we act surprised. Right, And by the way,
your anecdote is fully supported by the data. There's a
wonderful organization called NARI, the National Home Education Research Institute.
They've been tracking this data for forty years. Homeschoolers, on average,
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you way better academically, they're way better social life. As
they do better or later in life, they get better jobs,
they get better degree, they're more tolerant. Certainly they behave better.
And I think it goes back to something that Jesus
told us, right. Jesus is quoted in Luke and also
in Matthew saying whoever is not with me is against me.
And so just apply that for a moment to the
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system that is educating about eighty five percent of America's children.
Who could make an argument that today's government school system
is with Christ? Who could make an argument today that
most of the people in this system.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Are with Christ.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
I mean, we all know that's ridiculous, right, So if
they're not with Christ, that only leaves one option parents,
is that who you want discipling your children when you know,
when Jesus told you that the students are going to
end up like their teacher. I mean, for me, it's
a no brainer. And I fail to see how more
Christians have not yet figured this out.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, no, definitely, And it's super important that that people
do and they think that. That's why it's important that
you know, people like you give your voice, getting out
there and helping to wake people up. And I think
we need we need more people this up up and
begin to talk. Whether you're watching this and maybe you're
just like, yeah, you know what, I want to help
to do more. You don't have to have a show,
you don't have to go speak, just go talk to
your friends, talk to your family, like have like good
(33:10):
conversations and ask questions and you know, and I think
we can begin to really gain some ground land and
I think we're already beginning to right now. But we
just need more and more activity and all that kind
of stuff. So if people want to follow you, tune
your show, all that kind of stuff, where's the best
place for them to do that?
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Well, thank you so much, Chef. The easiest place is
my website, Liberty Sentinel dot org. They can sign up
for our free newsletter there. I'm also seeing your editor
at the New American, and we send out free daily
headlines for the people who don't even for the people
who do subscribe to the print magazine. But those are
two places they can see all my shows there. I'm
on ex Alex Newman, Underscore Jou, and of course I'm
on Pickaxe as well. I hope people will follow me there.
I love what you're doing there, Jeff. This is an
(33:48):
incredible thing. It's so desperately needed, especially now with Twitter
taking even more action to silence those of us who
speak the truth. So I would encourage people follow me
on Pickaxe as well. It's really really critical.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
No, yeah, definitely, And I of the links in the
show notes that we guys can go, you know, just
click on that go over there. You guys can follow
Alex and all the places. Make sure you guys are
doing that. But Alex, I appreciate you coming on and
taking the time. I really enjoy the conversation and looking
forward to doing it again sometime down the road.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I'm looking forward to it as well. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Jeff.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Of course, thank you everybody again. Makes sure you guys
are going to follow Alex you know on pickax on
x on all the different platforms, and then make sure
there's well that you guys are going out and checking
Impact Health Sharing. If you guys do want to take
control of your own healthcare, make sure you guys are
going to jef join it dot com, slash health, filth
the form, get a free quote and see how much
you guys can save over there at Impact. So make
sure you guys are doing that. It's what my wife
and I use for our family. We've had phenomenal, phenomenal
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experiences with that week and literally go see our natural
path of Cairo, you know, acupuncture, anything that you want,
even alternative healthcare, you guys can do that. So make
sure you guys are going over there to jeff join
it dot com slash health. We'll be back here again
tomorrow one o'clock Eastern, ten o'clock specific time on Rumble.
It makes you guys are subscribing to the show on
Rumble as well as Apple Podcasts and Spotify. And without
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further ado, that is it for today. I appreciate everybody
tuning in. We shall see you guys tomorrow
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