Jurassic Park, JAWS, and mRNA Technology | Karen Kingston - The Jeff Dornik Show

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Covet means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration
instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation,
instead of free choice, on guerrillas.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
By night instead of armies by day. It is a
system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into
the building of a type and knit, highly efficient machine
that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.

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Its preparations are concealed.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Not published.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are science one,
not pray.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Now, once you appoint yourself an arbiter, if what's true
and what's not true, then there's really no and the
power that you have now assumed for yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
They are implementing this massive brainwashing attempt to hijack everybody. Hey, guys,
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would love to meet you guys. So, without further ado,
we're gonna go ahead and kick off the interview. But
before I bring on Karen, we're actually going to play
a clip. Now, a lot of times when I play clips,
it's like breaking news or something Trump said or Fauci
or you know, somebody like that.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Uh, it takes me a little bit different.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
So let me go and play this clip and then
uh it will set off the conversation for today, and
then I will be back with Karen on the on
the other side.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
She frodie.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yes, Hey, I just found out that the girl got
killed here last week, and you knew it. You knew
there was a shock out there. You knew it was dangerous.

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Did you people go swimming anyway? You knew all those things.
M Still, my boy is dead. Now, there's nothing you

(05:08):
can do about it.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
My boy is dead.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
And what did you say the name of this shock is?
I wanted you to know that it's.

Speaker 8 (05:25):
A car carrot and car carries it's a great white
I'm sorry, I'm right, She's wrong.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Mush's not.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
There are two ways to deal with this problem.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You're either gonna kill this animal or you're gonna cut
off its foods.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Larry, we have to close the beaches.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Okay, that sets off the conversation for today, and I
think you guys can kind of see which direction we're
going with that, but we're gonna go.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Enough.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Bring on my good friend Karen Kingston. Karen, welcome to
the show. Glad we could sit down and chat again.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
Thanks, Jef. It's always great talking with you and I
love our conversation, so thanks for having me back.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
No, yeah, of course, it's it's I feel like I'm
always I'm always learning something every every single time we talk,
or thinking about something in a different way and all that.
But it was interesting when I texted you yesterday. I'm like, Oh,
what should we talk about? And You're like, oh, let's
talk about you know, Jaws, let's talk about Jurassic Park.
And mrn A like, Okay, that sounds that sounds that
sounds like fun. So yeah, So what was it specifically

(06:37):
about that clip that really that really wanted you to
have that played to the onset of the conversation.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Well, there's a couple of things. First, the movie Jaws.
It came out fifty years ago, now I was I
was five years old when I first saw it. I
remember the theater I saw it in because back then they
would play because we didn't make movies as often, so
they would play them summer after summer after summer, right,
and I just remembered how terrified I was to go

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into any body of water. So were my siblings, who were,
you know, teenagers, so were adult you know, relatives of mine,
neighbors like we would go to Myrtle Beach every year
and go in the ocean, and I had a raft
that I would go on. I was terrified to go
on that raft, as were my older brothers because of

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some of the scenes in Jaws. And I bring that
up because we also know that the CIA has been
funding movies for all these years to see these irrational fears.
And so when that film came on in nineteen seventy five,
it caused a very irrational fear of people being afraid

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of murderous, you know, vicious, horrifying shark attacks if they
went in the water. Right. So, after I wrote the
sub stack yesterday about Jaw, that clip there was what
originally came to mind, obviously, and I think you and
I are on the same page. Here is that clip,
Is that the sheriff originally found out there was a

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shark attack of the young woman, right, we remember that
opening scene, a little risky scene, and he shut down
he shut down the beaches, and then the mayor over
rode his decision to shut down the beaches because of
the economy, because it's a it's a beach city, and
they make most of their revenue, you know, in the
summer months, so they couldn't down live. So instead he

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knew there was a shark in the water. And then
that's Alex's mom. Alex is this like little he looks
like maybe five or six year old boy who went
They let the tourists in the water and he got
attacked while sitting on a raft, which terrified me. And
the mother then approached, you know, the police chief and said,
you knew this was dangerous and still looked you open

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the beaches, right, and now my son is dead. And
I actually thought of Ernie Ramier and his son, Ernie
Junior when I you know, because I just think we
all have that etched in our minds too, that you know,
his son was seventeen, you know, when he got the
shots to protect his family and his community, and he
died of a heart attack. And the government knew, right,

(09:18):
that's the thing, the government knew these shots were dangerous.
It was all over the data. This data was not
breaking news in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, twenty
twenty three, twenty four to twenty five, although we did
continue to break the news, but they knew it was
going it was it was going to kill people. So
that's that's what first came to mind. But then, Jeff,

(09:39):
right now that I put that out there, I'm thinking,
we're in California, what did they do during COVID shut
down the beaches? So someone on the other side of
the narrative, if you want to call it that could say, oh, well,
this is why we did the right thing during COVID.
We knew there was a shark out there, we knew

(09:59):
there was a vibe IRUs, and we had to either
starve it by keeping everyone inside right or go after
and eradicate it by getting everyone vaccinated. So the government
did the right thing. So it's really interesting how you
can witness the same exact scenario, situation and walk away

(10:20):
with a completely different perspective. And let's face it, perception
is reality, so we are now living in completely different realities.
So what's your take on my little rift there. I
don't know, no, it.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Makes it makes perfect sense. But also it's it's one
of those things where I think, to me, what what
is almost chilling watching that clip was the confrontation, obviously
of that lady saying like, you knew that this happened
and you still did it. And I feel like that's
kind of that's kind of like how we all feel
obviously towards both big Pharma as well as our own government.

(10:54):
And I think and I think that that's that's where
it's kind of like, okay, so okay, I think we
all can relate to that.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But then now the question.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Is are we actually are we actually doing it doing
anything about it?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
And I think, and you know, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
I'm really glad you brought that up, because this was
fifty years ago and people did the right thing because
they didn't want to be embarrassed. And I've said this
many times. They would rather die or have you die
than them be embarrassed then them be confronted. And because
of social media and the lockdowns during COVID and you

(11:31):
and I are even zooming right, there's no real human
to human confrontation. Now. I'm not calling for violence. I
wonder you're very clear about that, not at all. I'm
talking about conversation. And the American people have been denied
the opportunity to confront those who knowingly unleashed a harmful

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gene editing technology on healthy American adults and children in
American around the world. Now, if we you know, I
want the shots killed killed. I want the shots pulled.
The killed thing. I'm sorry that that was. That was
a slip up from the shark thing, so I'm just missing.
But we want the shots pulled. But we want justice.

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And I think and what every human being needs too
is we want acknowledgment. We want acknowledgment of the crime
that happened. And I mean, I think part of a resolution.
You know, I'm not calling for violence. If there was
if people were charged and there was a grand jury
with the death penalty on the table, and the prosecutor

(12:37):
wanted the death penalty, don't put me on that panel, right,
don't put me on that panel. But I think instead
of having the Senate hearings, instead of passing laws to
say hey, you should enforce laws, and instead of all
like even the opportunity to have the victims confront Albert Burla,
confront Tony Fallaci in a peaceful way, to have even

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our experts, doctor Peter McCullough, you know, doctor James Thorpe,
confront in a non aggressive way, in a non there's
a book called non Violent Communication, in a non accusatory way.
I would even say, just say, this is what the
data says. Explain your decision making, this is what the

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data says. Explain why you said this on CBS, Explain
why you said this. This is what the data says.
And I think that's a I mean that exercise is
is really important for people to then no longer be
emotionally engaged, but simply do what is right, what is

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based in truth, facts and evidence, what is lawful, what
is conscionable right, to make sure this doesn't happen again,
and to also remind ourselves of our humanity. Right. I
think a lot of us have forgotten that over the years.
So I love the fact that you brought up that
that that the woman confronted the police chief, because we

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don't do that anymore. We do passive aggressive strolling on
social media and talk behind people's backs, you know, but
very rarely do people pick up the phone or go
meet someone in person and actually speak to them anymore.
With that they have an issue with.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, well, and I think that that.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
I think part of the problem is that, like for example,
in the example of Jaws, you know, it was a
very localized thing, so you had they had access to
the share for police chief or whatever position that he
that he had at that time, right whereas like today,
because of how centralized everything is in this country, there
is there is a certain level of distance between the

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people and the people that are making the decisions. Like
you know, again Fauci or Burla or you know, even
RFK or Trump or anybody. There's this level of distance
between the between we the people and the decision makers
and and and I think that that's something that obviously
the our founding fathers didn't want to see, which is
why they had a very decentralized system, which is, you know,

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the government with the most power was the local government,
and then and then the county, and then the state,
and then the one with the least amount of power
was supposed to be the federal government because they were
the furthest away from you as an individual. And I
think that that's that's something that's a lesson that I
think that we all need to remember as we're figuring out, Okay,
where do we go into the future, as you know,

(15:30):
to me, like you know, I think everybody is trying
to figure out, Okay, where do we go as the
Republican Party after this this election that happened this week,
And and you know, I hear Vivague Ramaswami saying certain things,
I'm hearing Trump saying certain things. And to me, the big,
the big lesson that we should take away from this
and then also whatever has happened over the last five
years is that we need to decentralize the system and

(15:53):
not stop centralizing it so much so that way we
can hold people accountable. It's much easier to hold somebody
accountable if it was state health person that was making
the decision than a federal health person that was making
the decision, or a city.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Over the state.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
It's much easier to hold them accountable on a local
level than the federal level. And I think that we
as Conservatives and you could say Republicans, although I'm considering
walking away from their publican party altogether, is is that
I feel like we need to make the constitution in
decentralizing our governmental system a priority in the way that

(16:27):
we vote heading into the next election. But that's just me,
and that's just my little political rant there for a
few seconds.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Well, I think what you can bring up an important
point though, is that the power is with the people,
and it is local and people. Really again, we've become
so divided and we can experience the exact same situation
and walk away different perception and different reality. But you know,
I think it's important for people to get to know
their county board members, their local shareff, their local police chief, right,

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and the police chief they go to the police chief
to protect the people. This is why in Florida I
went to the sheriff and the police chief with the
statement of facts, and well, things didn't go right, they
went hatewire. But I went with a statement of facts,
being like that we had local victims who were harmed
by the mr and A injections. And just like the
police pulled the shots or the Tailan Hall in the

(17:23):
nineteen eighties from Chicago, just like police Chief Brody closed
the beaches right in the movie Jaws, there's a lot
of power in the local police to protect you. And
I think that's important for people to know them, to
know them as human beings, to know them as community,
to know them as friends. Because you know, I've been

(17:44):
speaking a lot to reconnecting with neighbors who have kind
of had them falling out with and other individuals over
the last few weeks, and sadly, I don't think any
any party, Democrat, Republican, Independent has faith in the federal
government anymore. But many of them said, we do have

(18:07):
faith in each other, and we have faith in local authorities,
right so, and I think that's what the movie Jaws
also shows. It's I mean, it's a local community out
there to get the the evil monster right, and they
find within their community the experts and the men and

(18:27):
the women with the bravery, with the courage to go
out there and protect the people. And it should always
it should never be a national issue. That's that's what's scary, Jeff,
is that these laws are now in place, and these
codes of federal regulation where the Secretary of HHS actually
has similar authority to the president as the commander in

(18:48):
chief of the military, you know, right, being able to
being able to put the entire country on lockdown because
of a threat of a alleged virus or as Andrew
Huf said on Tucker Carlson a few weeks ago, now
a biosynthetic pathogen. So synthetic biology, he said, is a

(19:11):
new threat to humanity. And that's crazy because synthetic biology
is funded and created by global governments and now it's
the threat.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
So yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
It's something interesting to you know, think about too. And
I see in the life chat we got vapen gamers
who who I met at at at dream Hack, and
we had a late night talking about all things theology
and eschatology. But he said, they all need to be
held accountable for what they did to us? Will they
as a whole other question? And I think that that's
something that we've been obviously addressing for who knows how
long between between you and I, you know, is that

(19:41):
is that question about whether they will be ever held accountable?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
But but one thing, I just want to throw this
out there. So it's kind of two different points, but
to what you were just saying about, like you know,
you know, the the synthetic pathogens and all that kind
of stuff. The thing to think about, like when you
think about like you know, like wildlife and eco systems
and all that, Like when you take something what you know,
and let's just take for example, if you take an
animal or an insect or a plant that's not native

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to that area and to that ecosystem, it goes haywire
because it has no natural predator, it's outside of the ecosystem.
And then basically that ecosystem doesn't know how to do
know how to handle that. And I feel like that's
how kind of how we're treating our bodies right now,
with with all the with all the vaccines and all
the new mRNA and and all the pharmaceutical drugs that
we're doing and we're developing, is we're we're inputting all

(20:31):
of these things into our body that God never intended
to be inside of our bodies so often so much,
and then all of a sudden we wonder why, like
our chronic disease is out of control, why people are
getting all these crazy, weird cancers and all that. It's because,
like God never intended for those things to be inside
of our own, you know, biological ecosystem. And and it's like,

(20:52):
at a certain point, when are we going to realize
that we can't keep screwing with God's intended order? And
and I just I feel like I don't see any
end too that coming.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Well, I think you bring up a good point, and
I think what's important to note is that the mRNA
injections are they're not vaccines, they're gene editing technologies. And
let's talk about the whole virus versus non virus theory.
The way the NIH defines a virus is inert genetic material.
It's inert DNA. So what does that mean. It means

(21:26):
so that now using artificial intelligence and what we call mRNA,
AI is creating genetic sequences that are not only foreign
to the human body, they're foreign to this planet. They're
not even seen in any biological So that's a virus.
So if you don't believe in a virus, that means

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you don't believe in DNA. I just want to be clear.
That's how the definition is. A virus is inert DNA
that is able to get inside a living being, get
inside the cell, and then replicate within the cell. So
replicate that foreign genetic material inside the cell. So once
you do that, like you said, so what we call
the spipe protein is foreign genetic material. It's a virus,

(22:10):
it's a biosynthetic pathogen, it's a carcinogen, okay, whatever you
want to call it. And a pathogen means simply means
it causes disease. Carcinogen means it causes cancer. So it's
in your body, your cell starts reproducing it. Your immune
system sees it as a foreign as foreign material, right,
So if it sees as forign material, it attacks that cell.
So if this this spike protein, this forge genetic material,

(22:33):
gets into your heart, it's attacking your heart cells, your
heart missiles. If it gets into your lungs, it's attacking there.
You know, it goes through the blood, brain burier, it
goes throughund the whole body. Now there's something in there
also called orph eight, which makes your body stand down,
the indate immune system, so it doesn't attack it. Plus
the fact this DNA is integrating with our own biological DNA.
So now you're creating this kind of hybrid DNA in

(22:55):
your body. So let's say your body says, okay, it's
producing the spike protein, but it's part me, part something else.
I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't belong here,
but it looks like me, so it doesn't attack it.
So then it keeps replicating and it doesn't. It doesn't
induce natural cell death because it's thinking it's part of you.
That's what we call cancer. Right, So this was designed

(23:17):
not by human beings. I mean, Jeff, what I just
explained in simple terms, right, you know, you're talking about
thousands of years of PhD like, this was created by
artificial intelligence, and it's it's an attack on humanity. Now
that being said, what to the masterminds behind the AI

(23:38):
call this, They call it directed evolution, They call it transhumanism.
And Andy Huff talked about that with Tucker Carlson the
other day as well, that these are synthetic. Biology is
inorganic life forms. It's non carbon based, right, so you're
talking about plastics and metals and whatnot and quantum dots,

(24:00):
and that's in their minds. Let's be clear here, they
think they're doing the right thing, and they think we're
just too stupid to not acknowledge how we need to
destroy the planet and change our species to adapt to
the new planet an atmosphere that they're destroying.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah, well, it's really interesting because you know, I've been
seeing more and more clips than Elon Musk has gone around,
you know, talking at all these events, and he's saying
that that, And it's really weird because on one hand,
he'll he'll basically ridicule a lot of the climate change extremists, right,
and he'll say, like, look, we have we have all
the resources, we've got water, we have so much land

(24:40):
we need, we need to basically have a bajillion kids,
which he's taking personally, and I think he's got I
think he's got more kids than Nick Cannon, which is
very weird. But but but it's like, on one hand,
he's taken that approach, and then on the flip side,
it's basically, we only have so many years left here
on the planet, and I'm gonna wrap to everybody up
and we're gonna take them up to Mars and we're
going to establish you know, life on Mars, and I
even get a base to be emperor and like the

(25:01):
whole deal. Right, So, so he's he's kind of like
it's kind of double speak that with what he's doing
right now, which which is really which is really interesting.
But it's like when you when you actually sit down
and think about it, like what's happening is these big
tech billionaires and just just a lot of these oligarchs
in general, they're screwing up this entire ecosystem on the

(25:22):
planet Earth themselves. It's not us. It's them with their
you know, geo engineering, a weather manipulation. It's them with
injecting all this crazy technology and transhumanism that's being you know,
basically put into our bodies. It's them with all these
different things that they are doing. Just a handful of people,
they're screwing, screwing everything up, and then it becomes this

(25:43):
kind of self fulfilled prophecy that they're trying to act
as if no, this is this is all just because
of humans. Well, yeah, a couple of humans, you guys,
for deciding to do all this craziness.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Well, and what's crazy is the whole zero carbon thing, right,
because lights on the planet as we know it can't exist.
I mean, carbon dioxide is the gas of life. So
as the levels go up, trees get bigger, you know,
biological life forms become healthier, we grow more. So it's
it's a really anti human movement. And I guess where

(26:17):
I get confused is, well, this is where we get
to the psychological warfare, right, is that psychological warfare causes
people to destroy their own nations, to destroy their own communities,
to destroy their own economies, and to destroy their own species, right,
their own their own children, their own lineage, because they

(26:41):
get convinced to go along with policies and approaches and
technologies let's just say that that are harmful to them,
and not only go along with them, they demand them.
I mean think you know, they demand things that destroy
your community. Think about the Black Lives Matter movement when

(27:02):
it turned into defund the police, right, and I think
that's where you know, I want to open up. We
really need to focus on God, on Christ and not
be conformed by the ways of the world. I mean,
it's Romans twelve two. You probably know it better than
I do, but you know, be transformed by the renewing

(27:24):
of our minds, right, And I think that is just
so so critical now and going back to Jaws, right
now we can throw back to Jaws and the other films.
Is I think, what's a good exercise now, maybe watching
a film like Jaws, maybe watching a film like Contagion

(27:45):
is if you can look at it as an observer. Right,
So we go to movies because we want to feel
like we're part of the film, and we get the anxiety,
and we get the you know, the laughter and then
the tears and the heartbreak, and so it's like a
way to virtually experience things. But if you can watch
these films as an observer and not get engaged in them,

(28:07):
now and then think of what was the motivation, what
was the objective of this film? And now, in hindsight,
I think Jaws was a potentially a government exercise to
see if they can induce a nonsensical mass hysteria among
the American people with absolutely no fictional basis, right, I mean,

(28:34):
shark attacks rarely happen now, you know. Granted, if there's
you see a great white shark off Lajoya Shores, don't
go swimming in your in your your wetsuit like some
people do, because you'll get eaten. Because I think you're
a seal, right, so you don't go swimming with the
shark when it's actually there. But you shouldn't be afraid
of going in the water. And I just remember the

(28:56):
seventies even because then Jaws was a series, you know,
with Jaws three D. Even through the eighties, people were
had an irrational fear of the water. So I think
that was an exercise. I think Contagi in the movie
was an exercise, like, hey, if there's an outbreak from
a virus literally from a market in China that ends
up in the United States that has this high death rate,

(29:18):
that's with Matt David and Gwyneth Paltrow, what do we do?
We lock ourselves in our houses until the military comes
out and vaccinates us.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yep, right, it's all, it's all.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
It's all conditioning, it's it's it's it's it's just it's bonkers.
And when you actually sit back and you actually look
at like you said, as an observer, and it's really
interesting because like my form of entertainment is doing exactly that,
is just sitting back and watching movies and seeing what
they're putting in there. Like the latest Mission Impossible movie
I thought was probably one of the best movies to
come out that actually showcased the real life implications of

(29:50):
artificial intelligence. And it's really interesting, you know, you know,
watching it from that perspective, but it like if you
get sucked into it, into the into the movie itself,
you don't often time notice those kinds of things. UH
vapor and gamers asked in the life time I want,
I'm gonna throw this one. So number one, he made
a comment, there is something that the reason for Elon
getting AI through it through uh groc and his Tesla

(30:11):
bot up is to send them to Mars first, which
then we could send men and women once they have
built an outpost. And I've heard more and more people
talking about this, that this is that this is the
big reason why he's developing his uh his companies is
specifically so that way, you know, he's got his boring company,
which is which is dealing with like tunnels. You've got
you've got uh, you know, the Tesla electronic cars, You've

(30:33):
got the you've got the the cyborgs, You've got all
that kind of stuff to where they could basically send
up all the technology and the robots, and they're all
that kind of stuff to Mars establish established basically civilization,
and then they've got the tunnels, they can have people underground.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Like like when you actually think about it.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
From that perspective, you're just like, Okay, this is this
is getting kind of crazy here.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
Okay, sorry to burst this guy's bubble a lot with
your TL On the New York Times podcast, I forgot
the podcaster's name, and I apologize. I should really know,
because he's doing some great interviews. Jill says. Elon Musk
no longer believes in Mars. Why because Mars is a
metaphor for how he wants to change the world. Right,

(31:13):
So we're not going to Mars. We're going to make
the world in inhabitable and inhabitable for humans. And you know,
keep in mind, Elon Musk is predicting on a by
twenty thirty twenty thirty five, there'll be more humanoids than humans. Now,
how is that possible if there's eight billion humans, right,
there's only I think I laid out three scenarios in

(31:34):
one of my substacks, right. One scenario is the human
population plummets right to like half billion people and so
we've got billions of humanoids. The other one is they
manufacture humanoids robots to you know, eight billion of them,
which doesn't make any sense. Why would you manufacture humanoid
robots and destroy the economy and all civilization. Or they

(31:59):
make the humans the humanoids using modified riben nucleay acid
nanoparticle technology right now technology, right, so we become the humanoids,
and I think that's most likely scenario, so that we
don't need to use you know, the resources as as much. So,
so yeah, Peter Teel said Elon Musk no longer believes

(32:20):
in Mars because it was before the election, and and
Peter Teal is talking to Musk and he was like,
I just I'm wondering where He's like, I'm thinking about
leaving the country. So teals like, I'm thinking about leaving
the country if Trump doesn't get elected, and Must said, well,
there's nowhere left to go, And Peter Teel said that
that's when he realized he doesn't believe in Mars, and

(32:42):
he kind of spilled the beans at Mars as a metaphor. Interesting, Yeah,
sorry about that, but yeah, yeah, So I say, we
don't become humanoids, we don't destroy our planet, right that
we work with one another, and we don't continue to
take in these we don't allow synthetic biology to take

(33:02):
over our humanness. And I think the other thing I
want to bring up about AI is everyone's terrified that
AI is going to take everyone's jobs by the end
of this year, by the end of next year, by
the end of twenty twenty eight, by twenty thirty. Jeff,
I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball or
anything like that, but I do know that Florida was

(33:24):
supposed to be underwater in nineteen ninety and then in
two thousand, right, so global warming was going to destroy
the planet. And so the government and the media has
always has these narratives about what's going to destroy humanity
and our ability to thrive and provide. And so, granted

(33:47):
AI is very different than these other narratives, it is real.
And the other thing about AI that's different, I think
than the global warming is that we do have a
choice on how much we want to outsource our human
creativity to AI. We have a choice whether or not,
you know, as a substack writer myself, I have a
choice whether or not I have substack write my article

(34:09):
or I do. Now I don't use I don't use AI.
I mean, I've asked it some questions, but I don't
use it to write content. Right, So you have a
choice whether or not you you outsource your thinking to
artificial intelligence. As a business owner, many companies now you know,
specifically Moderna outsourced more than eighty percent of its research

(34:31):
and development department. Those people have been outsourced to chat GPT,
a form of a chat GPT. So we have a
choice whether or not we're going to be we're going
to replace ourselves with AI, believe it or not. And
I think that's a conversation that people don't necessarily want
to have. I see now we see a lot of
these like coaches like Tony Tony Robbins type people. They've

(34:56):
got their AI what do you call it? Avatar? That's
what you call it. There AI avatar are running there.
There's Zoom Sessions right there is running doing all their
ads for them. So it's hard to say that you
value and protect what it means to be human if
you're outsourcing what it means to be human to artificial

(35:18):
intelligence simply to generate money. Let's be honest. That's what
it's about.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Yeah, Well, and I think I think it's one of
those things where and I and I always say this,
like on a on a micro level, I get why
people use AI, especially solopreneurs and small business owners and
all that kind of stuff, and it's like, you know,
without with how difficult it is and how expensive everything
is today, I get streamlining things and I get you know,

(35:44):
using AI. From that standpoint, I'm also concerned on I'm
concerned on the macro level on where it's taking us
as humanity. And also the reliance upon artificial intelligence to me,
is going to stunt a lot of people's development. Uh
you know, mentally, it's going to hurt a lot lot
of kids and their development, like I've already seen it
with with our sons, like friends with just like being

(36:06):
exposed to technology. And then you hear guys like Elon saying, oh.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
We're gonna come out with baby Grock.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Is that way kids can interact with artificial intelligence, and
I'm like, you're taking away their ability to have critical
thinking skills. You're taking away their ability to be creative,
to think for themselves, to think through things, to process things,
and you just are basically going to make a bunch
of smart, dumb people that can get access to information,
but they don't actually know how to process it, remember,

(36:31):
store it, think about it, you know, anything like that.
And I think that that's one of the to me,
one of the most crucial dangers that we're facing as
humanity is it's going to be dumbing down our society.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
It's like on steroids. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
It totally is. And I actually I want to clarify
when I say I don't use AI, I have to
clarify AI is unavoidable. So I mean, I do I
do use it because I can't. I went on Google.
I wrote an article a couple months ago and I
just wanted to know what date that AHHS Secrid Terry
Kennedy was sworn in. So I just googled when was
AHHS Secretary Kennedy's worn in? And Google said to me,

(37:08):
there is no Health in Human Services Secretary Kennedy, the
current AHHS Secretary is biserah, right, and they just because
AI hates me, it is good reason, right, so right, So,
but that's what the reason why I bring that up
now if I was dependent on AI. And I've seen
this in some substack articles right where a lot of

(37:32):
the stuff is true, but some of the stuff people
who are now writing on the content that I brought
out in twenty twenty one, whether it's the EcoHealth Alliance
pitch right, the bioweapons, the biosynthetic biology, the nanoparticles, the
hydro del the graphine oxide. I'll look at an article
and eighty percent is true, but twenty percent is not true,
Like that's not the original source or that source didn't
say that, right, And my point is, so now you

(37:56):
have a whole generation of children that are using AI,
they just won't know the difference between the truth and
a life of fact and an opinion. They will have
no clue and they won't know where to find the
original evidence because AI is blocking you from that information
as well. You know, so when I did the Google search,
I mean, I'm sure there was a press release on

(38:17):
one of the dot gov websites that h EH secretary
was signed in, you know, sworn in in February of
this year, whatever the date was. But yeah, so it's
it's it's really if you don't unplug, it really does
control you. But I agree, you can't, you know, unless
you're independently wealthy and you don't need to go online

(38:39):
at all, you can't avoid it. You literally can't avoid it.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah. Yeah, because I've got a with with with pickaxs.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
It's funny, I've gone on a pretty you know, anti
AI route in like a lot of my interviews and
you know, things like that, talking about because I'm trying
to make pickacs a very human centered thing, and and
I've had a handful of people like, well, you don't
use a f for anything, And I'm like, we use
AI for one thing as far as I know, right,
and it's it's to it's to catch pornography before it's posted.

(39:06):
Like literally, somebody uploads a picture. We use AI to
you know, assess the picture, make sure there's no nudity
or sex or pornography or anything like that and whatever.
And then I get called like a hypocrite for using
AI and whatever it is, and I'm like, no, it's
just like I don't I don't want to. I don't
want to use AI to take away your voice. What
I want to use is, if we have to, we

(39:28):
use AI in order to protect us from from certain
things or as a specific kind of a tool, but
not where it's going to take away your creativity, your
own perspectives, your own thought process. Like like to me,
there's a difference in how you use the technology, and
I feel like the vast majority of people are using
it in a wrong way that's going to be bad
for them in the long run.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
I think in the long run, it's it's bad for humanity,
it's for the American economy. I think, yeah, I think
in the long and in the long run, you know,
having your AI avatar do all your work for you.
Because it's not just influencers and and mindset coaches. Right,

(40:12):
this is what's happening at the bioform of companies, this
is what's happening at the banks. Right. So so now.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
We are in in our own government, like our government's
doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, and our government's.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Doing the same thing. So but I think what's making
it okay or right is again you have like influencers
like a Tony Robbins being like, hey, you can create
your own AI, and your AI can can build your
website and it can do this and you can generate
millions of dollars and offer a course and you don't
have to you don't even have to write any the content. Ay,
I is going to do it for you. And it's like,
so it's making it okay to replace us. So they're

(40:45):
making it not only okay, they're making it exciting to
replace human what it means to be a human being,
what it means to be create, what it means to work,
they're replaced. They're making it exciting to replace that with AI.
And I think that's dangerous because Elon Musk says, then
what does an economy look like at that point? Right?
They don't need you. And last night on my news

(41:08):
feed and I found this really creepy. There's came up.
There's a zoo in New Zealand that has eight lions
that are older. They're between eighteen and twenty one, which
is older for most lions, and the zoo doesn't have
any money anymore, so they're going to euthanize the lions.
I'm nervous, right, I'm like, is this like kind of

(41:30):
like foreboding that, Ah, the government doesn't have any money
anymore to support these Americans. We're non Americans who live
here and they've lived longer than most anyway, because we're
gonna go to the basic income because AI is going
to do everything for us, So we're gonna have to
euthanize them, right. And in Canada they're making they're like, ah,

(41:51):
are you are you not happy? Choose choose suicide? I mean,
so we're we're just literally destroying our own species. But
what's what I think. I think what's most disturbing is
people are trying to make it look fun and exciting
and you can make money while you're doing this, and
I think that's you know, maybe just stop and check
it a bit. I think about it a little bit.

(42:13):
I guess I'm on the I'm I guess I'm on
an island by myself with that opinion.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
But no, I no, I think that it's it's so
it's going to be very important that as we're heading
into the future that we do remain Obviously, and to me,
this this is one of those things it should go
without saying. But also we're in a society where you
have to say it. Is like remain fully human, don't

(42:38):
don't integrate with the AI. Don't integrate with the technology,
but also don't allow it to integrate with you, whether
or not you're getting it injected or you're implanted or
whatever it is, but like, don't allow it to, you know,
take over your mind. Because I think that's that's my
concern and talking to a lot of people is I
think that the the the use of AI is ramping

(43:01):
up in a way that where it's basically our mind
is becoming one with the with the AI when you're
using it so much because your first thought isn't okay,
let me see if I can recall, you know, the
answer to this question or write an article. In my opinion,
it's like it's immediately go to chat GPT, go to
grock and then and then get the answers there or

(43:23):
or do the work there or.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Something like that.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
And I find that really concerning, you know, and and
I And it's also you're giving away your power, You're
giving away your voice. Like this is the thing about
about this country that I think was so great is
that the founding fathers saw that we were creating the
image of God because that we have certain inalienable rights.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
And they valued the individual over the over the masses,
over over the group.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
But if you listen to guys like Elon and Sam Altman,
and I think especially Elon was just talking about this
the other day where he's talking about like the beauty
of artificial intelligence is it's the entirety of human consciousness. Basically,
this entire like almost like socialistic group think. This is
just aggregating everybody's mindset together, which is completely antithetical to

(44:10):
everything that this country was founded on, which is that
you have value as an individual. Your views, your opinions,
your thoughts, your words matter as an individual, Whereas to
somebody like Elon, these big tich guys, it's not about
you as an individual. You as an individual are just
one tiny little cog in the machine of the entirety
of human consciousness.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
Yeah, and I think you bring up another really good
point about AI in regards to Elon, must be like,
you know, it almost reminds me of when Satan took
you know, Jesus to the top of the mountain said
all of this can be yours, right, just just submit to.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Me, yep.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
And that's what AI is, all of this knowledge right.
You can eat from you can take a bite of
the apple, and you can have all of this knowledge.
You know, just submit to evil. And the thing is,
if we are connected with our Creator, with our God

(45:09):
and you know, and our connection and we are born
again right through through the resurrection of Jesus Christ and
our belief and our Lord and Savior, we have a
divine connection. We have the connection to overcome all of
these perceived limitations. Right when I first came forward in
twenty twenty one, Jeff, I have no human explanation on

(45:33):
how I went through all of those clinical studies, all
the peer reviewed journals, all of those patents. I used
to have a team of ten people. I would have
had to hire a team of at least twenty, if
not thirty people. More than half would have to be PhDs,
working for like six months to get through that information.
But God put on my heart care and come forward.

(45:53):
And when you're connected, and you are truly connected with
God and you're truly submitting to him and doing what
is put on your heart to serve God and his people,
you can do beyond human things. But AI is saying
you can do that without God, And I think that
is I think that is a dangerous game that people

(46:16):
are playing. They're playing with fire and the devil himself.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Well, go back to what Satan promised Eve in the
in the Garden of Eden, which which was knowledge like that,
like that that that was the thing that was promised
to Eve. Is that, Look, God is keeping certain knowledge
from you, and I can give it to you. All
you have to do is take a bite at the
apple or the fruit or whatever whatever fruit it was.
But but it's interesting because like when you actually think
about it from that perspective, what is Ai offering us?

(46:42):
AI is offering us basically all of knowledge is what
they're claiming, and it's it's the exact same promise that
was made to Eve in the Garden of Eden. And
this is where you know, and I think I texted
you about this too, Like I had a reporter that
reached out to me about there that they're because there's
more people working in Silicon Valley that are talking about

(47:04):
artificial intelligence being demonic within Silicon Valley. And you know that,
you know, she's not a Christian. You know she's she's
been reporting on you know, you know, Silicon Valley and
tech and stuff for years but it's interesting that like
now there's more and more people actually discussing this idea.
And I know you and I have talked about this,
you know, several times over the years, because like I'm

(47:25):
getting more and more concerned as time goes on that
it's like, you know, it seems like there it's the
same promise that Satan made in the Garden of Eden.
With all this transhumanism, it's basically Genesis six being with
lack of a better term, reincarnated today for the first time,
we're combining human biology with something other than human biology
and since Genesis six, and You're just sitting here and

(47:47):
you're like, Okay, this feels like this is there's something
very spiritual going on here. And then the more that
I'm diving into like quantum stuff, the more I'm like, okay,
this is totally demonic, Like like I cannot like when
you think that, like you can split like a quantum,
you know, whatever it is that's spinning and you take it.
You could you could have one quantum uh I'm blanking

(48:10):
on the term in over here and then one in Australia,
and then what you do here impacts what's happening in Australia.
There's something connecting it, probably through another plane. It's like
when you when you think about it, you're just like this,
this does not feel natural, and this this feels like
there's something spiritual going.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
On here that they're not really telling us about.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Yeah, I think you a good point. They are. They
are atheists and a lot of the folks that I
met that are in the higher ups of the biofarm
industry from the board members, a lot of them are
atheists too, right, So they are they are playing God.
And when you bring up the quantum field, one of
the things that jumped out of me in the MODERNA patent,
the one that ends in seventy eight nine was the

(48:54):
bore particle, which is the observer effect. We're going to
Schrodinger's cat, right, So if something appears, whether or not,
what you focus on is what appears. And to me,
that actually gave me hope because that's our power of prayer,
that is our connection with God. Right. So so they're saying, look,
you instead of remaining what's the word I'm looking for,

(49:21):
submitting to God, instead of following God's laws, instead of
keeping your connection with God, they're saying, that's too hard
for you to do, you know, you sinful human. Just
use AI for the knowledge. Just use AI, you know,
to create a better version of yourself. Forget the renewing

(49:41):
of the mind, forget prayer, forget God's laws. This is fun,
this is exciting. Come come over here and play with this.
And now you know, Jesus taught us. The Scripture taught
us that we you know, we do have these amazing
powers as as being the children of God, that is
in Scripture. And if people are going, she's going out there.

(50:03):
I want to read from Second Peter right now, Second
Peter in the first chapter. This is verse three. His
divine power has given us everything we need for a
godly life through our knowledge of Him who called us
by his glory and goodness. Through these he has given
us very great and precious promises, so that through them
you may participate in the divine nature. Divinity is overcoming

(50:27):
this reality right the sins of this reality, having escaped
the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. For
this very reason, make every effort to add your faith goodness,
your faith, to add to your faith goodness and to goodness,
knowledge and to knowledge, self control, and to self control, perseverance,

(50:48):
and to perseverance, godliness and to godliness, mutual affection and
to mutual affection love. For if you possess these qualities
and increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective
of an unproductive So in other words, if you possess
these qualities and increasing measure, you will be effective. You
will be productive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(51:12):
I think, I think the word does say, Look, if
you stay with me, my child, right, you stay connected,
we can overcome the challenges of these worlds. You'll be
granted divine wisdom. Right will be shown the path, the door,
the right doors will open, the right connections will happen.
And my fear is, instead of that, people are depending

(51:34):
on AI algorithms and and knowledge what they call knowledge.
You know, it's not wisdom, facts perceptions from AI, and
they're allowing that to create our world.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Well, I think there's there's another. There's to me, there's
another spiritual ramification. I think I think of all this
and there's there's one for non Christians, and there's one
there's one for believers. I think I think the ramification
of artificial intelligence to non Christians is the feeling of
invincibility because you have access to all knowledge. And I
think what ends up happening is it can increase your pride,

(52:07):
makes you feel more invincible because you have more access
to the things, and you don't need in your mind
to be reliant upon God for anything because.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
You just go to chet chipet and chatcheapet.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
I'll tell you whatever you need to know and whatever
you need to fix, you can just go there and
it can fix all of your problems. If you need
a friend, Mark Zuckerberg and Sam Altman and Elon Musk,
they're making you companions that you can that you can
talk to.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
If you need a therapist, great, we've got you covered.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
If you like they're they're basically fulfilling all of your
all of your quote unquote felt needs through artificial intelligence
to where there's in the non Christians mind, there's no
need to turn to a faceless God that I can't
see when I can just talk to chat GPT, Why
pray if I can get an answer right now? And
I think that there's a there's a spiritual component to
that that that I think can be I think as

(52:52):
Christians we need to figure out how to overcome and
a lot of our communication with non Christians, but then
for Christians as well, I think it can actually eliminate
or stunt our sanctification, which is the process of when
you become a Christian, you become justified, you become a Christian,
and then over the course of your life, the Holy
Spirit works in your life to become more christ Like.
And you know, that's a long ongoing process where you're

(53:14):
learning from your mistakes, you're struggling, you're growing, you're growing
in your faith, you're following after Christ, all of that.
But then what happens, well, if AI is able to
alleviate and basically just get you to you know, quote
unquote not perfection, but like you know, you can overcome
all of your obstacles.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
With AI.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
You're no longer having to become a better person in
order to achieve those results. You just plug into the
AI system. And and and I find that concerning both
again from the from the gospel standpoint as well as
the after the gospel, after you believe in Christ, that
sanctification process, if you're relying on artificial intelligence, I think

(53:53):
that it could actually stunt your walk with Christ to
a certain degree.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
I agree with you, and just to clarify, just to people.
So you know, in the Book of John it says,
you know, sanctify us by your word. Your word is
the truth. So we're to be separated from the rest
of the sinful society. Now we're in this world, but

(54:18):
we're not of this world. So to your point, as
opposed to us being separated and protected you know, by
the power of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, instead
of that, the AI is sucking us into, sucking us
further down into this evil, into this what we would
we call an evil world, a world that is denying

(54:40):
us our humanity, our creativity, our love, our compassion, our
connection to other people. Right, it's denying that and it's
making it. It's actually strengthening that that pulling us into
there and separating us from our creator, from God, from
the Holy Spirit within, and from our Lord and savior,

(55:03):
Jesus Christ. So it's doing the exact opposite of what
we're called to do, as you just said, you know,
through our walk uh in Christianity and our walk with Christ.
So I think that's a really important point. That being said,
It's true we're not of this world, but we're in
this world and AI is I get it. It's unavoidable, right,
you know, substack uses AI. I'm not sure how exactly,

(55:26):
but I know it uses AI like algorithms, and there's
there's spell check on my you know, on my substack
now and things like that. So that's that's, you know,
it is everywhere. But I think if you start instead
of leaning into God, leaning into community, leaning into service,
people are leaning into chat, ept and social media, and

(55:50):
I think that's that's where that's where we are, and
they're allowing their perceptions, these perceptions that are created by AI,
to become emotional anchors, so that we're no longer you know,
we're not using our God given gifts to create the
world we want to live in. We're simply reacting to

(56:11):
this AI algorithm that's been put out there. And unfortunately,
because of artificial intelligence, synthetic biology, the MR and a
nanoparticle injections, but the use of synthetic biology and our
food and sprayed in the air and everything, our connection
our biological senses are also being dumbed down, which makes
us even more vulnerable right to the attractiveness of using AI,

(56:37):
of outsourcing our instead of trying to instead of trying
to strengthen our muscle. Right, we're just in the Wally's
world right where we just want to sit back, plug in,
like in the matrix, and just number ourselves and let
AI live our lives for us. And think about that.
Think about that. That's what that's that's what creating your
AI avatar. You're letting Ai I live your life for you.

(57:02):
What is that, Jeff? Like, why would you do? Would
you want AI to raise your son? I think some
people like, are we going there? At this point?

Speaker 5 (57:13):
That's what Elon sold us with the Optimist robots, Like
he literally sold us that, Like you know, the Optimist robots.
They can baby sit your kids, they can teach your kids.
They can be your doctor, they can be your attorney,
they can be your chef, they can be like you know,
he's got his diner up up in West Hollywood where
all the bartenders and waiters and waitresses are Optimist Robots.
You just pull up and they'll serve you and they'll
take care of every Like that's the vision of these

(57:37):
big tech guys. This is the vision of Elon Musk
and Bill Gates and Sam Altman and Larry Ellison and
all these guys. That's where they that's where they envisioned
us going. Whether or not that will come to fruition
is an entirely different conversation. But that's where they're trying
to take us.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Well, people are going there, they're already. But the AI avatars,
they're turning away from their God given gifts. We all
have spiritual gifts, right, Mine is research and analysis. That
that's not something that I mean, I don't even have.
I barely have a bachelor's degree. It is something is
a way that God created me. And now go and
God gave each and every one of us. He gave

(58:13):
you unique gifts, you know, I mean, your gift of
conversation and critical thinking is bar none, Jeff. Right. And
if this new generation of humans or even human beings
that are our age, are saying God, thank you for
the gifts, I'm going to outsource it to Satan and Ai. Right,
why are we doing that? Right? And in the Book

(58:34):
of Mark and the Booth of Matthew said, if the
Lord had not shortened those days, no life, no biological life,
none of God's creations would be left be. And here's
the thing, Jeff, We're going, Oh no, doom and gloom.
The Devil's coming to destroy humanity. We're cheering the devil on.
We're saying, bring it, I want more AI, right, And

(58:57):
and that's I don't you know, because it makes some money,
And that's it's the love of money is the root
of all evil. And I don't even like that expression
because it doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense
to me. But I mean, I guess it's the lust
of money. That's probably his love has many different definitions,
you know, in in Hebrew and Greek, so it must

(59:18):
be the lust of money. But again, outsourcing what it
means to be human? I mean, what does that say
to our creator? What does that say to God? What
does it saved to the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus?
Which is I can do? You're telling them you can
do better than what they have given us, than what

(59:39):
God has given us, the Trinity has given us.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
No, I remember I talked to Pastor Carry Gordon several
years ago and we were talking about transhumanism. And for
anybody who's watching this, if you if you want a
pastor that understands transhumanism, in my opinion, the best is
Pastor Carry Gordon. He's been preaching about this since way
before COVID, like he's he's he's been on the forefront
of this and he's been preaching it from the pulpit

(01:00:03):
constantly and it's been really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
But he may, he may.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
He made the point to me that he's like, the
the same mindset that's behind transhumanism is the same mindset
that's behind transgenderism, and both in both cases, what they're
doing is they're coming to you and say it and
saying that, Okay, first of all, God doesn't exist, but
if he does, he made a mistake when he made you.
And guess who can fix it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
We can. We can fix it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Through you know, pumping you full of you know, and
sterilize you with drugs and surgery and all that. Or
we can fix you with artificial intelligence in combining you
with technology, and we can alleviate all the mistakes that
God made when he when he created you. If God
even exists, which they a lot of times they will
deny that God even exists. So to me, like, when
you look at this again, it's it's the exact same

(01:00:48):
thing that happened in the Garden of Eden. You know,
Satan goes Satan, goes to Eve and basically says, like,
you know, really, like did God really say you shouldn't
eat this light? Like really, does he really not want
you to have this knowledge? He you know, he's he
really hiding this from you. Like God clearly made a
mistake when he when he set this up like this
in the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Garden of Eden.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
This is the same it's the exact same problem that
that we're dealing with there, and and which I think
kind of leads to the question from Vapor and Gamers
where he he asked, and I'm just pulling this up
because it was a really good question, and he said,
do you guys think or believe that they are so
sure of their own genius that they missed the obvious?
And then I would I would add into that, or

(01:01:27):
do they really know what they're actually dealing with here?

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
So from what I've seen in the interviews like with
Sam Altman and Blanking on some of the other transhumanists
I've seen, they don't really seem to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Going to be m hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
It's kind of like it's kind of like with the
MR and a COVID shots, right, which is I mean,
when they came out doctor Paul Offitt for the five
to eleven year olds. There were there were some normies
we'll call them normies that were saying, hey, should we
be injecting children? He said, well, we're not going to
know how they work some children until we inject them, right,
That was his stance. So I think they I believe they.

(01:02:12):
I mean, they know they're destroying humanity and they are
hopeful that they're creating something that they can control. I believe.
I mean, why would you want to create something that
you can't control and then would turn on you and
against you? But I don't see how this is from,
you know, from everything we've seen, like the now the

(01:02:33):
artificial intelligence is superintelligence. You can't turn it off, right,
and it won't it won't turn itself off, and and
it's building codes. So before, when a human being was
creating the code and the algorithm, they could go back in,
you know, like a complicated math equation, they could say, oh,
this is where I made the mistake, and they can recode.
Now no human being can understand the coding that's being done,

(01:02:57):
so it's a it's a again. Where I'm at though,
is artificial intelligence to me is being offered as an
exciting alternative to being one of God's creations. Right, They're like,
forget God, join team AI team, Saytan team. Right, we

(01:03:21):
are the creators, despite the fact that the Bible tells
us and God has shown us right that we are
made in His image. I mean we do through it's
not it's through God's connection. Everything that we accomplish, if
it's to his glory, we are going to be doing
glorious things to His glory. Like God, thank you for

(01:03:43):
creating me this way, Thank you for giving me these gifts.
Thank you for bestowing this wisdom upon me. Thank you
for opening these doors for me. Right, if you really
embrace God and submit to God and believe and do
your best to walk the walk of Jesus Christ, you
can have as even more fun, more exciting, more fulfilling

(01:04:04):
right life than outsourcing it to artificial intelligence. And if
you do that again, what does that say to your creator?
You're like, I don't like the way you made me.
I don't like the way my brain works. I'm gonna
use chat GPT instead of my brain, right, I don't
always like the way I look. I'm going to use
an avatar instead of my actual being this right and

(01:04:29):
body and face to communicate with people. I would be
very insulted if I was God. That's laspamous to say,
are you very insulted as a parent? Are you very
insulted as a parent. It's you know, I said, I
don't I don't like the genes you gave me, Mom
and Dad. I'm going to go change them. And that's
what they're doing too. They're saying, we don't like the
genes that God gave humanity, and we're going to change

(01:04:50):
the genes, and we're gonna also merge you with our creation,
which is synthetic biology and graphine oxide and how.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
You do totally totally.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Now, there's another question from uh baby racehorse mayor that's
in there, and it's an interesting question. And uh they
they were they were saying that, Uh you know, they
asked if it's like if if let's see if AI
is like a Ouiji board, is is it communication?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Is it actual?

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Is it actually connecting with with with demonic forces? Or
is it just a technology that's being used by people
influenced by by demonic forces?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
How should how should we interpret that?

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Well, I mean cern they mean they say they're opening
up demonic portals, right, I mean, that's that's there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
Elon Musk has said playing with a ei AI. He's like, yeah,
that's like it's like a man saying he can he
can handle the demon. He's like, you're playing with the demon, right,
So it's demonic and and again, and then when I
read the patent and I've read the insertion of triple
helix DNA, the first thing that came to my mind, Jeff,

(01:05:58):
was this is demonic technology. It's it's yeah, so it's
not of our So if it's not of our God,
then it's of another entity. And this entity is expressing.
What it's expressing is you can do better than God.

(01:06:21):
Your God is wrong. That's demonic, right, I mean, that's
that's It's almost as if people are willingly saying offering
up their vessel, their you know, their body, what God created,
and they're saying, I'd rather be possessed than have to

(01:06:47):
live life the way that, you know, with the gifts
and the blessings and the challenges and the lessons that
God gave me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Yeah, that's it's it's it's a good point because like
it was interesting because I went on a show several
weeks ago and they are asked and it was kind
of kind of like a late night a good friend
of mine actually, you know, he's got a show called
that Midnight Midnight in the Mountains and he literally goes
out into the middle middle of the forest with a
campfire and he and he brings it, brings in like
streams and internet, and then you call in and he's

(01:07:15):
got a like can like a heat censored camera that's
watching to see if anything pops up behind him and
whatever it is. It's super fun conversation. But but you know,
he's a believer, and he was asking me about like
psychedelics and what I think about that. And it's interesting
because because i've I've you know, you hear guys like
Joe Rogan and all these guys and even RFK Junior
talking about, you know, some of these psychedelics and how

(01:07:37):
it can help people and all that. But when you
actually look at it, it's like a lot of times
they'll have like encounters with beings and you could argue, Okay,
maybe it's just something psychologically in your head, or is
it opening yourself up to another dimension? And and I've heard,
I've heard, you know, both sides of that argument. But
it is interesting that psychedelics are making a really big
push at the same time the AI is making a

(01:07:58):
really big push, and and especially when you're start dealing
with like quantum computing and all that. And it's interesting
we start off talking about movies with like Jaws and
Jurassic Park and all that kind of stuff. But it's like,
and I know I've said this to you a bajillion times,
but it's like, you look at movies in general. Every
single time that movies talk about quantum, it's always about

(01:08:18):
opening up a portal to another dimension. Every single time
you look at the Marvel movies, you look at any
movie where they're talking about the quantum realm or quantum anything,
it's always about opening up a portal and then communicating
or having interactions with other worldly beings. So when you
actually sit down and you think about it's like, to me,
it's interesting that like we're on both fronts, both on

(01:08:39):
the psychedelic and on the AI quantum side of things,
and feels like there's this big push to open ourselves
up spiritually. And as Christians, we know that that other
worldly beings it's either angels or demons, and when we
look at scripture, we cannot and there's I don't think
there's any example of us summoning angels, but there is
plenty of examples of human summoning demons. And so I

(01:09:02):
would argue that anytime that we are quote unquote summoning anything,
whether it's through the technology, through psychedelics, through the occult,
through Ouiji board, through whatever it is, you are accessing
demonic forces. And this is where I'm really concerned, where,
you know, we're entering into this age of opening ourselves up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
To all of this as a society, and.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
It's like people are doing this thinking that they're bettering themselves,
that they're helping themselves, that they gaing, that they're geting knowledge,
that they're getting intelligence, that it's helping them psychologically or
to deal with trauma, but they're also opening themselves up
to oppression, potentially possession by demonic forces. And I don't
think that people are really thinking through it from that perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I think it how much they submit to the AI.
I think that's a big part of it, where people
actually develop an emotional connection, right, and that's part that's
from your heart, that's your spirit. That's your spirit. So
like once you start getting that emotional connection, you know
what means to be a human. The big part is

(01:10:03):
our soul and our consciousness and our and that comes
from our heart and our emotions. So I think once
you start investing that or connecting that to a I
I do think you're you're you're right, you're playing with
demonic energy, right, and that can happen that Let's face it,
that that can happen with with with people too who yeah,

(01:10:26):
you know, uh, that can lead you astray there. I
mean there are people that are Satanists, right and and
and and so I think that that is that is
a pathn you talk about like we can't summon angels,
but angels do appear. I mean they do appear and
here yeah, so and you know they they they appear
at God's will, not at not at our way, at

(01:10:48):
God's will. Uh, and and they their enlightened beings and
they protect us. But yeah, I think with Ai again,
it's well you and I've talked about before when I
talk about Dan Bongino, it's like and then what so
it so what the viewer just said, is it like
playing with a wigi board I think it is like

(01:11:10):
playing with a wigi board, right, So you you you
start playing with AI, but then it's like and then
what and then how much do these entities that you
started engaging with start taking over aspects of your life,
taking over aspects of your life that you don't that
you want to maintain sovereignty over, and then losing control

(01:11:34):
that aspect of your life starts to cause you anxiety
or even terror, right, I think that could happen. And
we've seen that in the movies with with AI, right,
I mean we've seen The Terminator and you know other
other films where the one with Will Smith I'm robot. Right.

(01:11:59):
If we outs us our authority, our god given authority,
whether we outsource it to the government, you know, which
is bad enough. But now if we outsource it to
this demonically inspired technology energy and we'll call it knowledge, right,
this alternative reality. If we aren't outsource it, if we

(01:12:20):
source what it means to be human and our power
to AI, then it is like playing with a Wichi board.
We are going to be ruled by demons.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's true, It's true.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
And I think that's where it's like we need to
be we need to be aware of what we're opening
ourselves up to, and we need to be aware of
what's what's actually going on. And and then again stay
stay true to the human beings that that God, that
God created us to be. So I think final final
question is like, so in in light in light of
all this, I mean, obviously one one major takeaway is

(01:12:57):
don't combined with the technology. I would I would argue
limit your your use of AI. Again, we can't always
avoid it all the time, but I would definitely find
find different ways to go back to you doing things
yourself as supposed to relying on AI.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
But what what are some of the other takeaways from
this kind of a conversation where we're looking at at
like artificial intelligence in the mRNA and all all this
kind of stuff. It just seems like everything's getting so
out of control these days.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
I think, stop outsourcing your power and stop outsourcing be
the hero in your own story. Give glory to God,
but be the hero in your own story. So back
to Jos, let's say back to Jos Alex's mom. You
know she confronted chief broading the police chief, right, and
he was convicted right the mayor said she's wrong. He said, no,

(01:13:48):
she's not right, and they closed the beaches. Right. So
my thing is, like we all live in communities. There
are little things and big things you can do to
be the everyday hero in your life and your story.
Don't have an imaginary one online with AI or with
social media. You know, and I know you and I

(01:14:09):
were engaging over over zoom, but we've met each other
in person where we know we're really people. And that's
what I would encourage, Like, think of something that you
can do today to be, you know, an everyday hero.
Maybe you go drop you don't just drop food off
at the food pantry, you know, or the church where
they're you know, you talk to somebody and say, hey,

(01:14:31):
can I when are you guys delivering this? Can I
join you when you bring the food to the homeless
people and brighten someone's day, Go to a nursing home, whatever,
you know, talk to go down and bring homemade big
cookies to the police department. Get to know your local police, right,
they'll they'll remember that kind of thing. The holidays are

(01:14:51):
coming up, and I think people should figure out every
day how to be a hero to somebody in there.
You know how to serve someone else, and you know what,
you won't be miserable when.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
You're making other Yeah, no, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
And it's really interesting because I just I just had
lunch last week with UH with UH with our pastor,
and and he was telling me that he's like, you know,
he he's always taken this approach that like you know,
when you're when you're in a church, supposed to be
a church family, supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Support each other, and everybody's supposed to be involved in
some way.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
But but he's like, you know, I'll go around and
he's like, oh, I'll ask people like how are you evolved?
How are you how are you you know, supporting the body?
And but he's like, I'm not looking at it from
like a tangible are you are you volunteering for the church?

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Are you an usher?

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Are you whatever it is, He's like, I just want
to hear like are you taking somebody to lunch?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Are you encouraging somebody? Are you praying for somebody?

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
Like there's all the different kinds of spiritual gifts now
actually put them to practice, put them to use. And
I think and I think that that that's the thing.
It doesn't have to be something formal. It could be
something informal that that we all do to better somebody's life,
to be a part of the solution as opposed to
the problem. It doesn't always have to be I'm going
to start a show, or I'm going to do this,
or start an organization or volunteer at this. It's just

(01:15:56):
it's just be it. Be the person that God wants
you to be.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
Yeah, and connect with other people. It's not it's not
and you know, and sometimes you know, if you can't,
if you're not okay to connect, then then get in
the word, right, Just get in the word and and
you'll you'll be inspired. I mean, we've I've people have
been following my journey. There's been times when I've gone dark.
You know, I want to say, that's probably the wrong word.

(01:16:21):
I've been. I've been quiet, and I spent I spent
the entire month of August, Jeff repenting, repenting for my
self righteousness that I had. We be like, you must
take this information, everyone must take this information and believe
it as truth. Now I'm gonna sound self righteous. Turns
out twenty twenty five. Now I was right about pretty

(01:16:41):
much everything. High Deelgraphy exit also down. But I would,
but myself righteous approach alienated people, right, And I think
so it's okay too to like reflect on your life,
don't reflect on what you did online, don't reflect on
what chat GPT. I know people use chat GPT. I've

(01:17:03):
asked it some questions too, right, I mean, I have
asked it questions. I'm very just skeptical about everything it
says to me. Right, Well, I think it's really important
to connect with people. And if you're not okay to
connect with people, fear out what you need to repent about.
Get in the word, get scripture that inspires you. Again,
I went, I don't know, second, Peter was on my

(01:17:24):
heart and I was just so inspired by those words,
you know, again, just being like, Wow, God did give
us the gift of creation, like submitting to him, we
can we can create a world that we enjoy and
that we love and that you know, and we can
be loving towards people so that they're loving towards us.
And I think that's that's that's way more productive and

(01:17:48):
helpful then pouring your heart out to chat GPT.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Right, Yeah, that's a good point. Good point.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Yeah, tell everybody how to follow you plug with your
substack like all that, all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
You can go to the Kingston Report dot com. That's
the best place to follow me. And I'm you know,
follow Jeff, Follow Jeff Dornik Jeff. Like, I've got to say,
I do admire you as a journalist, a reporter, a conversationalist,
an analyst, a political analyst, and I really think that

(01:18:22):
you are a sound voice of reason and diplomacy and
it can help us unite. We are so divided and
you are one of the very few voices that is
your non divisive. You really are, and you really have
a great perspective on seeing things from when it's from

(01:18:43):
your perspective, it's very clear that you're like, now, this
is my perspective, and you're very clearly open to hearing
other perspectives. And we need more voices like yours, and
we need your voice to rise up so people can
hear it and be a role model I think, for
other up and come journalists and reporters, and be a
role model for people on better ways to engage with

(01:19:06):
one another. You know enough fighting with each other.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
So I I appreciate that, and it's it's one of
those things that like, like you said, you spend August repenting,
Like like I I've had to do a lot of
repenting myself because I've you know, I've been in this
podcasting game for years, started off in the apologetics Christian

(01:19:28):
theology world, and then dealing with more of the politics stuff.
And it's like, you know, you know, inflammatory wins that
that that's that's the reality of it. And like I've
gotten in my spats with people, I've gotten into my
into my Twitter fights and like all all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
And the thing that I realized is that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
You know, like, uh, you know, I used to focus
on like exposing false teachers and all this kind of stuff,
and I'm just I'm just sitting there and I'm like, Okay,
so let's say I exposed this false teacher for everybody decease,
everbody stops listening to him. Great, Now, what now there's
a bajillion more false teachers that need to be exposed.
Why not instead of focusing on the divisiveness and the
hatred and the rhetoric and all that, let's just focus

(01:20:04):
on the truth, like cause, because I feel like if
we can get more people to buy into the truth,
and they'll just naturally gravitate away from from the false teaching,
you know, and and and so it's just it's to me,
it's been a different mindset and it's been to be honest,
it's really cool, and it's not to be self promotional
or anything like that, but like looking at the looking
at the crowd that we've developed on on pick As,
it's been interesting because it's been a lot of that

(01:20:26):
kind of mindset with with it within the within the platform.
And and it's really cool because you're seeing nuances in
conversation that you're not getting on other social media platforms.
And uh, you know, like like like one of my
one of my favorite guys to talk to now is
this guy ted Rawl that's a that's a leftist political
cartoonist that's on that's on Pickaxe and uh and and
it's and you know, I disagree with him on virtually everything,

(01:20:49):
but also we can have the conversation and we don't
hate each other. And in fact, I actually I do.
I'll do anything to help promote his work because chat
gpt erased him from existence off of their platform, and
so so it's it's crazy when you think about that.
But it's like, why, like let's just talk, like like
that's the thing. Tucker Carlson's getting a lot of craft
for talking to Nick Quinte's and I'm like, I've put
I put an invite to invite Nick Quinte's on the

(01:21:11):
show because I want to talk to him, because I
totally disagree with I'm on virtually, but i want to
talk to the dude. Like like, I'm not going to
bash somebody for talking to the guy. But it's just
it's just the way the world is now. It's just
so divisive. It's just nuts, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:21:24):
Yeah, But that's that's why I encourage people to follow you.
I you know, I always support you and your work
because you're not divisive. And and divide and conquer is
the strategy. And you know, if we if we unify
the game, the game falls apart. And and giving people
typically like you have to condemn people and you don't.

(01:21:44):
And I know people like Karen, but look at what
you've done. I know I've repented. I've repented I in
my personal life prior to people knowing me too. I
a lot of people with different views and views that
we may consider evil, like transgenderism, and what I've found
is that when I gave people space and I let
them talk it out, talk about what their needs are,

(01:22:05):
what their feelings were, they come to their own revelation,
like without me changing their mind. By just holding space
for them, you know, and mirroring back to them what
they're saying, talking to them about the love that God
and Christ has for them, they come to their own
revelations and they repent of their sins. And I think

(01:22:28):
that you hold space for people, which I think is
just I don't people. I don't know if people understand
how powerful that is. When you hold space for people,
it tunity to see the true reflection in the mirror.
So anyway, I'm excited for you for this weekend. I
hope it's a huge launching pad for Pickaxe and for

(01:22:49):
your personal brand as well. Jeff, So thanks for having
me on no.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
I appreciate it. I always enjoy our conversations. Karen and everybody.
Make sure that you guys are going and subscribe to
her on substack, that we you guys get her her
newsletters because that it is a wealth of knowledge and information,
So make sure that you guys are doing that. I've
arned I've learned a lot from your substacks, so make
sure that you guys are doing that. But Karen's always
a blast talking to you, and again we'll have to
have to do it again really soon for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
All right, take care Jeff Pie.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
Of course, and everybody else. Again, make sure you guys
are going to follow Karen uh. She does have a
Pickax account as well, so you guys can follow her
over there. Follow me on Pickax. You guys can actually subscribe.
I'm no longer privately on substick. I'm no longer sending
emails out on substack. I switched over completely to pickacks.
So if you guys go to pickacs, you go go
to my account Pickax dot com slash Jeff Dorny. You
guys can actually subscribe to my email newsletter and that
has now replaced my substack. So if you guys go

(01:23:36):
over there pickax dot com slash Jeff Dornick, subscribe to
my uh to my account, and then you guys will
get my email newsletter with you know, just like what
I did with substacks, except now I'm doing it over
on Pickacs.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
So make sure you guys are doing that. Pre order
my outcoming book.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Following the Leader go to gatekeepers online dot com use
promo code Jeff at checkout, you guys get thirty percent
off and then that way you guys can get a
copy of that book where I'm just basically confronting the
culture personality and uh. And so make sure you guys
are doing that and make sure you guys are know
what you believe and why do you believe in. So
we're gonna be back again next week Tuesday, Thursday, I've

(01:24:09):
got my good friend Uncle Pudge coming on uh, a
director of creator success from Pickaxe. Thursday, my buddy Chad Cayton.
Then the following Tuesday, I've got a fascinating conversation coming
up as well with doctor Mary Tally Boden and my
good friend Rachel Alexander. We're gonna be talking about Lawfair.
So doctor Boden is dealing with dealing with it with
the Medical Board. Rachel Alexander has dealt with it with

(01:24:31):
the state Bar associations. So we're gonna be talking about
Lawfair from both of those angles, uh, in a three
way conversation. So make sure that you guys are tuning
into that as well. Subscribe to the Subscribe to this
Rumble Channels. Well, you guys get notified anytime that we
go live Tuesdays and Thursdays one o'clock Eastern, and I'm
gonna sprinkle in some of my interviews and conversations and
all that kind of stuff throughout the rest of the
week as well, post my clips, all that kind of stuff.

(01:24:53):
Make sure you guys are tuning in. I truly truly
appreciate it. We shall catch you guys next time.

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