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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Joining us now for the next few minutes is the
founder and CEO of Pickaxe, ground baking breaking social media
platform built on two uncompromising principles, and these are key
freedom of speech and freedom of reach. His newest book
is called Following the Leader and his name is Jeff Dornick,
(00:21):
and welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Jeff, it's been a few weeks. It's great to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Happy Thanksgiving, by the way, Happy Thanksgiving to you, and
you know, it's always always a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I just saw the other day that there is still
an eighty seven percent level of bias in Google in searches,
at least eighty seven percent of bias. And it's not
exactly a fair and balance place to find information or
to exchange information. And that's what makes pick Acts kind
(00:55):
of different from other providers or enablers of people to
communicate via social media. Tell me a little bit about
Pickax again before we get into topic.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, definitely, I appreciate it. And so basically we're a
social media platform. So it's very similar to like X
and substack. I would say it's if X and substack.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Had a baby with Rumble integration.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
So you can play rubble videos in the news feed.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And all that.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But the key I think for us that really separates
us is that we're eliminating the algorithmic manipulation that you
have on all these other platforms. So whereas other platforms
use algorithms to dictate which topics and which themes and
which ideas can get shared and not shared, and what
we're saying is like, we're not going to use algorithms.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In fact, our users are our algorithms.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Because they're the ones that decide what gets seen based
upon their engagement, based on sharing it, and you know,
kind of taking old school social media where the social
media is actually social.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So that's really the crux of what we're doing with
pick X.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So you pickax isn't directing the conversation the actual users are,
which is fantastic, And you're right, that's what it should
be about and what it started to be about, I
guess and in the inception that that was the appeal
of social media. Wanted to ask you about this latest story.
(02:12):
Elon Musk admits his optimist robots will usher in a
communist utopia, and of course utopia is nowhere, and communism
always ends in disasters. So that doesn't sound like too
appetizing to me. What do you know about this story.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Jeff, Yeah, so it was interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So you know, last week Elon went on Joe Rogan's
podcast and he also had his Tesla shareholders you know,
meeting where they were celebrating his trillion dollar pay day,
which is insane and but the but what's interesting is
that in both of those instances he was talking about
his vision for Tesla and everything with Tesla, you know,
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everything from their Ai development, to their cars to you know,
everything that that they're working on Xai, xcess social media platform.
Everything is funneling towards his optimist optimist robots, which is
his human his humanoid robots. And what he is actually
envisioning is a future where where artificial intelligence and his
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optimist robots will basically replace the need for human beings
to be in the workforce at all. It's going to
eliminate all jobs to where we no longer need to work.
So it's going to create a lot of laziness, a
lot of people that are just sitting around, vedging out
in front of the TVs. And imagine the Pixar movie
Wally wherever he's just you know, overweight, they're they're lazy,
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they're watching they're not actually experiencing life. They have no purpose,
they have no meaning and all that. And he's actually
pitching this as a good thing. In one of his
conversations with Benjamin Netnyaku actually described this as heaven on
Earth and to where human beings will no longer be
necessary really to the future of this planet, and that
basically we'd all be connected to the internet, you know,
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with with brain chips implanted and affected the AI. We
just thinks something and it comes to fruition a very
hedonistic lifestyle, and we're going to also have universal basic
income or you know, but instead of it coming from
the government, it's actually going to be coming from these
private companies. Both Sam Oultman and Elon have talked about
this where they describe it as dividends for them, basically
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taking away our jobs.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They're going to give us money.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But let me remind everybody that if a private entity,
if you're relying on them, they don't have a constitutional
responsibility to freedom of speech and any constitutional right. They
can basically do whatever they want, as we learned during
the Twitter file.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So there's a lot to unpactor's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But to me, the really, the really big issue is
that what he described in all of this is that
this is going to enact a communist utopia where nobody
has to work.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We're all completely relied.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Upon the government and these corporations and and you know,
it's kind of like what the World Economic Forum said,
you will own nothing and you will be happy. That's
what he's pitching to everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Is there any way to stop us from hurtling headlong
end of this nonsense?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Because I ain't going I'll just yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
So there's a couple things that we can do. Number
One week, we can check out from from the AI systems.
We need to be We need to be as human
centered as you possibly can. One of the things that
a lot of people don't realize is that when you
rely on artificial intelligence, whether it's for creativity or for
following directions or anything like that, you're actually taking you're
actually limiting your brain because now your brain begins to
rely on AI. So the best thing you can do
(05:25):
is remain as human as you possibly can, check out
from the AI systems, and then really build local communities
that can be self sustaining you know, if and when
the AI you know world takes over to where we
can you know, rely on each other, you know, learn
to grow your own learn to grow your own food,
build friendships and relationships offline.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You know. That's a big thing that that I'm working on.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
With Pickax as a social media platform, is how do
we connect people from the online world to the in person,
face to face world, because that's where that human connection
is that these big tech oligarchs are trying to take away.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, when when you were talking about the optimist robots
in this communist utopia, all spearheaded by technology and humans
not being necessary, it just reminded me of a nineteen
sixty nine song by Zigar and Evans called in the
Year twenty five twenty five little bit after your Time.
I understand, but if you've not heard it, give a
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listen to in the Year twenty five twenty five. Sometimes, Jeff,
and it does not paint the rosiest picture for the
future of humanity. But while we've still got a chance,
we can do something about it. Tell people how to
get a hold of Pickax and how to participate in
your social media platform.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Jeff, Yeah, definitely guys can go to pick x dot
com picax dot com. It's web basically, we actually have
a beta version and we're releasing it to more and
more people. So if you guys do get on the
web version right now at pickax dot com, we're going
to be getting you guys the beta version of the
appy that can get on iOS and Android here very
very soon, so make sure you guys doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Hey, thanks and have a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Jeff, you as well.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Jeff Dorna from Pickaxe, a different kind of social media
platform