The Church, Tucker and the Deep State Exposed | Ken Peters & Patrick Howley

Today’s episode of The Jeff Dornik Show is one you can’t afford to miss. Pastor Ken Peters, founder of The Church at Planned Parenthood and pastor of Patriot Church, joins me to break down Tucker Carlson’s explosive interview with Nick Fuentes and what it reveals about the spiritual decay within both church and culture. Then investigative journalist Patrick Howley exposes how major corporations are secretly using underground job boards to secure foreign labor through the H-1B program, bypassing American workers. Truth, courage, and conviction—live at 1pm ET only on The Jeff Dornik Show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for
expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion,
on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation, instead of free choice,

(00:29):
on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It
is a system which has conscripted vast human and material
resources into the building of a type and highly efficient
machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.

(00:52):
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried,
not headlined. A silence not praise.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
You know, once you appoint yourself an arbiter off what's
true and what's not true, then there's really no end
to the power that you have now assumed for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
If they're implementing this massive brainwashing attempt to hijack everybody. Hey, guys,
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very good friend of mine, Pastor Ken, Peter's pastor at
a Page Church and founder of the Church of Planning,
Parenthood and all the amazing stuff. But Ken, it's a
Blastop had to have you on. It's been way too

(03:06):
long since we last talked again, but I'm looking forward
to this conversation.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
It has been a minute, but we've been We've been
buds for a long time now, fighting the good fight
for God and country. For a bit now, So I'm
super excited to just hang out with you again.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Well, you know, and and it's
interesting and and I appreciate you coming on because I
feel like you're you're one of those pastors that you
will speak to what's going on in culture and in society,
and then you bring along with it, you know, like
God's word, here's the biblical perspective on this issue. And

(03:46):
I think a lot of pastors kind of shy away
from talking politics, and they shy away from talking about
you know, hot button issues because they don't they don't
want to fend somebody they might disagree with them in
their church and might stop giving them, you know, their
offerings and tithing and all that kind of stuff. So,
you know what, what before we into like the topic today,
you know, I want you to kind of share your
mentality and your thought process on how you, as a

(04:06):
pastor and then also as a church are really engaging
with and confronting culture.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, we we bring current events into our Sunday morning services.
So as I'm preaching contextually, verse by verse, chapter by
chapter through the scripture, like right now we're in Romans.
It just so happens. We're on Romans eleven right as
all this Israel stuff is being fought over within the

(04:37):
church and the conservative movement. And so how perfect was
that for me? That's like a Patriot church pastor's dream.
So now I talk about Israel right along with the
text that we're studying. So that's that's what we deal
with current events. And we are not afraid I say
what most pastors are thinking but won't say. I think

(05:01):
it and say it. That's probably what makes us different.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, no, that that makes sense. And and and you know,
and you know when when I saw it, because you've
got your you've got your own you know podcast now
in your own show, and and I and I saw
that last episode where you you kind of you went
off on on Tucker quite quite a bit. And uh,
and so I'm like, okay, I gotta have kin on.
I gotta pick his brain a little bit on on
this one, because it's it's really it's really interesting to

(05:24):
see the reaction to that, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuenttes, Uh,
you know, you know, you call it what you want, interview,
conversation whatever, what what? What was what was your big
takeaway from that? Conversation, and do you do you think
that Tucker should have even entertained having Fuentes on his show.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I'm glad that you mentioned that, because quite frankly, even
giving Nick Flint a platform I think was a was
a sin. Tucker's the biggest thing out there pretty much
as far as podcasting and viewership. And you bring this
guy on your show, on the most popular show, You're

(06:10):
you're helping him. And in my opinion, Nick Flentes uh
is one of the most evil human beings on the planet.
And come on, Tucker, don't give him more exposure.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, well, you know, and and my I think my
thing is like on on the on the flip side
of that is, you know, the left. So the left
used that same argumentation about platforming conservatives on their shows
because because again they would make you know, false accusations
and and you know, fill in the blank. But they

(06:47):
they continually made made made the argument that you know,
like CNN and mainstream media and left wing organizations shouldn't
platform conservatives or Trump supporters because we were deemed extremists.
And so you know, we were on the receiving end
of that. And so then how how do you overcome
that kind of an objection, because like that, that's one
of those interesting conversations where I'm like, I don't know

(07:09):
how to stay morally consistent in my application of that.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
You know, Yeah, I'd say two things to that. First
of all, Tucker is not supposed to be a neutral
news reporter. He's obviously a conservative influencer. He's supposed to
be standing up for conservative values. So it's a little
bit different than if you're, you know, just reporting the

(07:35):
news and you're supposed to come across as neutral. Secondly, okay,
if you are going to have Nick flint Base on
your show, then you need to confront him with tough
questions like like, why did you say Hitler is awesome?
Why did you say you respect Hitler? Why did you
say good things about Stalin? Why are you blatantly saying

(07:58):
racist things? And so like, If you're gonna have him
on your show, I'm cool with that. I get what
you're saying. I appreciate you saying it, like, but then
come on, Tucker, if you're going to act like a
conservative influencer, that's one of the top fighters and a
speaker at Charlie Kirk's memorial service, and speaking in the

(08:20):
lineup for President Trump in his rallies before he got
re elected. Then take a strong stand at least ask Nick,
why why are you saying these great things about Hitler?
We all know Hitler was was horrific. He was the
worst human being I could ever imagine. And so I

(08:41):
thought Tucker was way too easy on him if he
is going to have him on the show.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, and and that and that and that, and that's
a fair critique because because I felt so, and this
is just like my my perspective for full transparency is
I feel like both sides of the argument when it
comes to Tucker kind of got things wrong to a
certain degree in their assessment of Tucker and that. But
that's just again that's my opinion. That's that's the way
that I look at it. But I felt like that's

(09:08):
a valid criticism of Tucker Carlson because there was a
lot of things there's a lot of things that Nick
Fuentt has has said that is utterly reprehensible and and like,
like to me, should be basic questions he could have
almost done like a quick hit, Let's get this out
of the way. Why did you say this about Hitler?
Why did you say this about black people? Why did

(09:28):
you say about this about the Jews? Why did you
say this about this? Get it all out of the way,
and then you could continue to have that conversation, the
exact same conversation that they had over the course of
the rest of the hour and a half conversation, and
but you would have hit those issues that I think
everybody wanted Tucker to nail him on, if that makes sense.
But I think on the flip side, the way that

(09:49):
I the way that I kind of watched that conversation. Obviously,
Tucker was very you know, he was friendly, he was nice,
he was not he wasn't combative like he was with
like Ted Cruz. But also it was interesting because I
had an my take on it was it almost felt
like you had an elder talking to an immature kid

(10:09):
that doesn't have any life experience because and you saw
that specifically in two different areas. You saw that in
how Tucker responded to him when he kept when he
continually kept bringing up the Jews, and then also in
his demeaning your view towards women and spouses and wives
and all that kind of stuff. And in both of
those instances, it was almost like Tucker's like, you know,

(10:30):
you really don't have life experience. You're not married, you're
twenty five years old, You're this young kid. You need
to kind of like like realize you're you're kind of
off base on that one. But he wasn't combating, And
I think that that's the thing that a lot of
conservatives wanted to see and Tucker was have this destroyed
Nick Fuintes thing, and Tucker didn't take that angle. What's
your thought process on how Tucker handled the interview outside

(10:54):
of like, okay, he didn't ask those questions about Hitler
and Stalin and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Sorry, there was a little bit of a delay here.
I think I got your question.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Are you there, I'm here, I can hear you.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, Sorry about that. My froze. So I think also
context matters. Tucker has been talking a lot, almost obsessively
about Israel and the Jewish people and insinuating things, and

(11:39):
so that's a factor that is in the stew It's
in the mix. So when you bring on a well
known Jew hater, Nick Fuentes on, that's part of it too.
It's gonna make you look like you are rallying more
people to your anti Jewish, anti Semitic side. So I

(12:02):
wanted to throw that in the pot as well. Yeah,
and so that automatically affects the conversation there with Tucker.
I will also say this, Tucker, Yeah, you're right, he
was kind of like the senior. He was like the

(12:23):
elder with the kid. He just wasn't correcting the kid.
Like if you're going to be an elder, be a
good elder, not so correct the kid. And then I
think we probably all would have been fine.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, well you know, so so like so like so
specifically when specifically when, because I think that, uh, I
think that Tucker would agree with Fuentes on let's say,
the the nation of Israel and the government of Israel
and and and from that standpoint, I think that there's
some there's some valid criticisms of the government of Israel.
But but also when fwint has started talking about like

(13:02):
the Jews and the Jews and the Jews, that's when
Tucker kind of came in. It's like, we're not supposed
to judge people based upon their bloodline, based upon their DNA.
We're supposed to judge people based upon their individual actions.
And they're in there, they're you know, an individual love
and you know, oppose based upon the individuality, not based
upon like the group identity kind of thing. So there
was the correction, but but it wasn't It wasn't like

(13:22):
I think what we expect out of Tucker because we
saw how he corrected Ted Cruz if that makes sense.
So but is.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Brilliant, Yes, yeah, absolutely, And I think he went somewhere
that ticked a lot of us off. I am a
I would say, I am what would be accused of
being a Christian Zionist. And in this interview, Tucker said,
Christian Zionists are the people I hate the most. And

(13:55):
so boom, you just alienated a lot of Christians, a
lot of conservatives like myself who romanticizes Israel just like
I do the United States. I'm USA and Israel all
the way. So when he says that, okay, shots fired
across the bow, Tucker, I don't like you anymore because

(14:19):
you just said you hate me.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah. Oh and and to be fair to Tucker and
again you know, like you know whatever is uh. He
went on Dave Smith's show yesterday and he and he
and he apologized for that for that for that comment specifically,
because you know, and he and he's like, I said
that in like the heat of the moment, and I
was angry because he's like, I've just been having conversations
with like Mike Johnson and all these different guys that

(14:45):
he's like, they they would they would not give me
a straight answer on you know, why are we supporting
Israel if they're killing you know, thousands of innocent you know,
babies and children and all that kind of stuff. And again,
I don't necessarily agree with Tucker and all his conclusions
when it comes to that kind of stuff, but I
can also understand the frustration of, like, you're not getting
a straight answer from these you know, people that would
be self described as Zionists within our within our within

(15:07):
our government. But so when when you say specifically that
you are that you're you know, you're a Christian Zionist
that you know, and I would I would tend to
agree with that as well. But I think that there's
a lot of different definitions out there that are kind
of floating around how do you define that and then
how should we as Christians apply that to today in

(15:30):
regards to our support of Israel.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, so I don't believe that Jewish people just by
birth gain eternal life and salvation. However, I believe that
the covenant that God made with Abraham's natural seed and
the natural land still exists. I don't believe that after
nineteen one hundred years it was just coincidence or accident

(16:01):
that they are reestablished on that land as a nation.
I believe that God was keeping a covenant that he
made to Abraham, and he said it was an everlasting covenant.
And so we rejoice when we see God keeping his
covenants and promises because that means He's going to keep
his covenant and promises with us, who is the church.

(16:25):
So I think that's the distinction. We don't believe they
have everlasting life, but we believe they have the right
to that land. We also believe in the scripture and
that it still is relevant that if you bless Israel,
you will be blessed. So I believe if America blesses Israel,

(16:46):
that invites God's blessing upon America. So to be America first,
I think, is also to bless Israel. It's the one
nation that I believe if we help them, if we
give to them, if we support them, then we're actually
helping America. So to be pro Israel, I believe is

(17:08):
to be America first. And that's where the split in
the Conservative group of People party would disagree with me.
That's because I'm a Zionist who believes they have a
right to that land and that the Blessing Covenant still exists.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah. Well, and I think within that one, that one's
been a hard one for me to fully buy into.
And again because of all this Israel stuff. I was
raised as a Christian Zionist, right, like it was like
we support Israel no matter what, and you know, and
all that, and I haven't wavered from that per se.
But also I've been trying with all the controversy going on,

(17:50):
I've tried to say, Okay, I need to actually study
this and figure this out for myself, right And so
so like that Genesis twelve, I think it's twelve three.
I think it is, off the top of my head
where God made that promise to Abraham. I've been struggling
to within that context to see how that promise went
from the promise to Abraham to extend beyond him within

(18:15):
the wording of that verse. So that's where I'd be
curious to hear, you know, you explain, and you know,
maybe that will answer all my questions. Is you know, like,
how do we know that Genesis twelve three extends beyond
just to Abraham and it extends to his seed and
his offspring in Israel.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Well, because there are verses beyond that original scripture and
covenant that include Abraham seed, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God
calls himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There
you have seed that was the covenant to those three.

(18:58):
It wasn't Abraham and Ishmaem well and Esau. It was Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob. And the seed from thereon went down
to the kings like David and Solomon and threw into
Jesus Christ. And so I would say that that covenant

(19:18):
with Abraham, definitely with scriptural evidence, is also to his seed.
And I think it's the only way you can explain
a nation being recreated and re established after nineteen hundred
years of no existence, and God uses Stalin, of all people.

(19:43):
Stalin initiated Israel becoming a nation again in forty six
or forty seven. It happened officially in forty eight that's
a miracle of God, and so that can only mean
that God is keeping his covenant not just to Abraham,
but to Abraham's seed. So I look at it biblically,

(20:03):
but I also look at it practically. Look at what's
going on today. Israel is now a country, and I
love it. I grew up loving Israel, and I couldn't
be happier that there is a nation of Israel here again.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, no, no, totally. And I think that, you know,
the way that I always look at it too, is
that like, yet, like Israel obviously has a right, has
a right to exist, and and you know, even you know,
take let's let's take the theology out of it. Let's
just look at an American foreign policy Like, to me, Israel
is our ally right, and so if they're being invaded,
we should definitely have their back like one hundred percent. Now,

(20:40):
where I kind of get into a little you know whatever,
is like should we go on the offensive on behalf
of them? That's an entirely different you know, foreign policy
conversation and in all that kind of stuff. But it's like,
but Israel does it does have the right to exist,
They have the right to defend themselves. They have the
right to protect themselves from basically Hamas, who ultimately hates
them and wants see them completely destroyed, as well as

(21:01):
a lot of the surrounding countries around them. And so
that's it. That's a very important context that I think
a lot of the people that are opposing Israel really
ignore and and they leave out is like, Israel's not
our enemy. There our ally. Now, we can have a
legitimate policy discussion about how involved we should be in
foreign policy and all that kind of stuff, and you know,
and that's perfectly fine, but let's not act as if,

(21:23):
like we have we shouldn't be involved at all with
protecting and defending Israel. The question that I that I
kind of want to throw to you, and this is
something that I've been struggling with, is like, when so
when we go through the Old Testament, we see obviously
Israel when they they are blessed when they're following after God,
and they're kind of cursed by God when they when

(21:44):
they turn their back on Him. And so, you know,
the the argument and the question that I get from
a lot of people about like, you know, Jeff, how
can you support Israel when they do x, Y and
z is. You know, they'll make the argument that like
they turn the back on the Messiah, which which is
fair and valid. You know, they have like state sponsored abortion,
like on demand for basically anyone between the ages I

(22:07):
think of eighteen to forty five or whatever it is
for virtually you don't have to have an excuse or
anything like that, and the government will pay for the abortions.
And so I've heard several people ask me like, like,
why should we as conservative Christians be okay with sending
them money when they're clearly they're rejecting the Messiah. They're
doing state sponsored abortions. They're very pro LGBTQ and trans

(22:29):
and all that kind of stuff from like a governmental
establishment standpoint, not necessarily a lot of the people that
are conservative, you know, Jewish people, how should we how
should we apply this, you know, bless Israel and don't
don't turn our backs on them. But then they're implementing
these things on a structural level.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
That's a great question, And for me it's very easy.
God didn't make Israel a nation again because of their
good behavior all over the world. He made them a
nation again because of his namesake, his own credibility as
at stake. His reputation is at stake, his promises are

(23:12):
at stake. And so God didn't bring Israel back to
Jerusalem in in Hezekiah's day and Zachariah's day because the
Jews were being righteous. All of a sudden, he brought
them back to Israel to fulfill his own promises to
glorify himself. And as to your point about evil and sin,

(23:38):
bro like America is doing partial birth abortions. When Biden
was in office, I was disgusted by our government. I
would want anything to do with it. I criticized them
they were lighting up the White House like a Pride flag.

(23:59):
But I still sing the song God Bless America.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I still am romantic about America. I still read books
about George Washington and John Adams. And I grew up
in Sunday School, and all we learned about in Sunday
School was about the history of Israel. The Old Testament
is Israel's history. And all my heroes as a pastor's

(24:25):
kid were Israelites like David and Jonathan and Samson and
Joshua and Gideon. And then you got Christmas, which we
celebrate that all happens in Israel. So I would say,
don't bring me up in Sunday school and don't teach
me about the history of Israel and then expect me
to say, Oh, they're nothing, They're just like anybody else. No,

(24:48):
I'm in love. I am romantic. I love David, I
love Elijah. These are my heroes. And so I would say,
I would say that, yeah, America has a ton of evil,
it has a swamp, and Israel I'm sure does too.
I'm sure they have a massive swamp. But guess what, Jeff,

(25:12):
I'm romantic. I love Israel. And the Bible says Israel
is the apple of God's eye, which means Israel is
the pupil of God's eye. And I believe that still exists.
If you poke Israel, you're poking God in the eye. Yeah,
And I don't think any nation should do that. And

(25:34):
so I don't think Israel is just any other country.
They're special to me at least.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, And I think that that that's a that's a
fair explanation, because it's like, you know, we're very critical
of of our own government, but I think you know it.
But what what we're loyal to is are the foundational
principles of our country and and the ideal of what
America is supposed to be. And I think and I
think that, you know, I guess the a legitimate argument
to say, like, look, we should you know, that should
be how we you know, see Israel. I think I

(26:01):
think we should definitely, especially if we're giving the money,
we should definitely be confronting those issues. More especially, I
would argue that the abortion thing. I think, I think
the fact that that they have state sponsored abortions, you know,
with virtually no no explanation or no justification for it,
uh is is pretty reprehensible. And I think that there

(26:22):
should definitely be some some outrage, and nobody's really talking
about it all that much, but all but also like
we should support the the ideal of what Israel can
be and what they're supposed to be, whether or not
they're in sin or not, or repentant or not, and
all that kind of stuff. So but ken we're coming
down to kind of kind of the kind of the
tail and of the conversation that we're gonna bring on
Patrick Cowley in just a second. We're talking about, you know,

(26:43):
his new article. But I kind of want to give
you the last chance to kind of give your final thoughts,
the final word, and then like encouragement to people that
are watching this on you know how how we should
be engaging with, you know, people like Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Uh,
you know how, you know how we how we should
be behaving ourselves in this super divisive you know time

(27:04):
of where it seems like nobody really agrees with each
other when it comes to Israel.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, I would say that this big bad Israel and
anti Jew and anti deal is Israel. Perfect. No, but
the real problem in our world today is not Israel.
The real problem in our world today is Islam. And
I believe that this is a satanic just distraction from

(27:37):
what we should really be worried about, and that is
what's going on in our nation, what's going on in Nigeria,
what's going on in England, what's going on all over
the world. Let's stop talking about big bad Israel. I
go to Israel all the time and they treat me great,
they treat me great. But what's happening with Islam all

(28:00):
over this world is the real issue. Don't be distracted
by what's going on with this whole anti hu anti
Israel movement, and I think the conservative movement better say
no to Tucker and Candae and the Hodge Twins. We
cannot afford to be anti Semitic or anti Israel in

(28:23):
the Republican or conservative libertarian movement. That's that's what I
would say.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, and I appreciate I appreciate you coming on,
and I appreciate you you know, you know, really especially
diving into the scriptural side of things and like helping
people to you know, understand like where you're coming from
and you know, your justification of it scripturally, because I
think I think that's important. And I think a lot
of people kind of just talk about these issues from
a general sense, and I think we should dive more

(28:50):
into the nuance in the conversation and what does the
Bible actually say and all that kind of stuff. And
so I appreciate your insight and coming on. Tell everybody
how they can you know, follow you get more involved
if they're interested in Patriot Church the whole deal, where
do they go for that? For all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
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Thank you so much, my good friend. It's been good

(29:26):
to hang out. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to
say what I believe.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
No, I appreciate it, and I you know, I really
appreciate your friendship and your sport through all the years
we've We've been through a lot together over over the years,
a lot, a lot of craziness. But I really appreciate
you coming on.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
You got a friend. God bless you, buddy.

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we're gonna go ahead and bring on our next guest.
The one and only Patrick Hawy is joining us. Patrick,
welcome to the show, and glad we can sit down
here and chat for a bit.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Herry are I'm trying to fit into your box?

Speaker 6 (30:42):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (30:43):
I'm hard to fit into a box. I have such
a massive Irish head. I have such a massive Irish head.
All right, I'm good, Am I good?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
You're You're good, You're good. So I appreciate you taking
the time to come on because I know you're on
the go, you're you're you're out out there in the
heart of DC and all that kind of stuff. But
you recently wrote an article and when I when I
saw and you know, you had sent it to me
and I'm like this, this would be an interesting conversation
because I feel like nobody's really talking about this, and
I think that that's why, you know, it really intrigued me.

(31:14):
But dealing with like the H H one b's and
all that, that's been a controversial issue. I feel like
it's kind of died down over the last several months.
But then your article, I thought, I thought was really interesting.
Can you explain to me what you've uncovered and what
you've discovered about these H one b's visas?

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yes, absolutely so. I'm up on here on Capitol Hill
right now. I'm right outside Union Station. I hope my
tech is okay, and it's my tech.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Okay, are you hearing this?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
You're coming in, You're coming in?

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yeah, yeah, okay, eBay, MasterCard, Apple, PayPal. Some of the
biggest corporations out there, and that's just to name a
few have been caught by me in an underground job
board based in India fruiting H one B only or
you know, H one B preferred, which basically means H

(32:08):
one B only job applicants for these jobs using third
party recruiters and so that their fingerprints aren't on it.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
This is obviously a civil rights violation.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
It violates the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four,
which Democrats love. I always hear democrats talking about the
Civil Rights Act, Old LBJ and Martin Luther Kank. Well,
the Civil Rights Act actually prevents people from losing jobs
due to their national origin. Since Americans can't get H
one B visas obviously our national origin, we are being
discriminated against. HERMAE. Billen of the DOJ Civil Rights Division,

(32:40):
as I reported, has opened up investigations on this, but
they are you know, I don't want to criticize them
too harshly because they are taking it on.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
But it's a lot of work. There's a lot of complaints.
There's a lot of complaints.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
You know, We're talking about Zorn Mamdani today, and I
made the point on Twitter. If the GOP is serious
about defeating socialism, they have to show the young Americans
the greatness of the private sector. The young Americans are
being boxed out of the private sector right now because
of this corporate indentured servitude coming over here from India
and China and other places as well, but mostly India.

(33:14):
A lot of these Indians come over with hostility against us.
I mean, I can show you the hate mail I get,
which I think is hilarious.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
They don't know grammar.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
It's primatically disastrous, like hate against me for being, you know,
an American. They say that Americans are low IQ and
we're being replaced and we're on the way out, and
the Indians are the true geniuses of tech. I don't
know if you've ever had to call India for a
tech problem. I don't know if you've ever experienced Indian tech.

(33:42):
I've been I've been in online media for a long
time as a business owner and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
It ain't fun calling India. It ain't fun call in India.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
And sometimes you'll use a contractor you don't even know
has outsourced their customer service to India. It's happening to
almost every single company in this country right now. And
there's a whole big list of of companies that use
these recruiting firms that I have caught on this underground
jobs board. Envoids dot com, which is based in India
owned by an Indian man for H one B only

(34:10):
or H one B preferred, and so Apple has some
big questions.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Paypalace some big questions MasterCard eBay.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
A lot of these companies have big, big questions to
answer right now, and I'm so glad, I'm so honored
that the story is going viral. But you know who
really has to answer the questions, which is why I'm
up on Capitol Hill today. The Congressmen who don't want
to stand up to their donor class because this isn't
a clear right versus left issue. And if you are
a libertarian, honestly, I actually see some libertarians being like,
corporations can do what they want. Oh, really, what about

(34:38):
the government intervention factor? What about the fact that the
government is giving visas, giving papers to people who wouldn't
otherwise have it in order to be essentially slaves for
corporations and to prevent the young Americans from having a
say so, if the Republicans want young people to vote
Republican and see the greatness of the private sector as
opposed to having an EBTV IP card where they can

(35:00):
just eat for free, you have to actually allow them
into the private sector.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
And that's why this issue needs to be solved.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
No, and it's and it's it's it's it's an extremely
important issue because this is this has been one of
the things I've been saying for a very long time
is that we need to stop, we need to stop
doing business with countries like China, and you know, you
could argue India, you could argue, you know, all these
different countries where they practically a lot of times they
use slave labor, They under they undercut American jobs because

(35:29):
they can do it for way cheaper because they don't
have minimum wage requirements like we do here here here
in the United States. And so we're cutting out the
American's ability to work for these corporations. And then everybody's like, oh, well,
it's it's it's capitalism. Well it's not. It's not fair
because you're putting US Americans under certain restrictions that like,
even if I wanted to, I could not compete for

(35:49):
any of those jobs because they're getting paid, you know,
when when we're dealing with like overseas kind of stuff,
they might be getting paid like a dollar a day,
a couple of dollars a day. I can't compete for
that kind of a job. And then you see these
of visas where they're bringing them in. They're willing to
work for way less, They're going to work for way
less than an American can or wood or even is
allowed to And so I think that this is a

(36:11):
very important issue where systematically, whether you're dealing with offshoring
or importing them into the country, what's happening is we're
actually taking away systematically American jobs for American workers, and
it seems like nobody's actually doing anything about it.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
This is total conquest of our country by the globe
blasts and it's not clear cut right or left, at
least not the way that they present it on cable news.
Because you have black Rock, you have Vanguard, you have
State Straight. As Bobby Kennedy had pointed out a lot
during the campaign, we're not.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Hearing as much about that.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Anymore, right, Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street going around buying up
entire neighborhoods, buying up the houses that we grew up in,
and those houses are being rented to foreigners.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
They are the new upper class.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
There's a cricket field in Salina and Texas right now,
funded by the taxpayers that it's a field of dreams
for the Americans in Texas.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
They are the new America. They are the new upper class.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
The migrants who many of them could come over and
they do manage to get food stamps and live large
on these EBT cards.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
They get a whole lot of benefits. A lot of
them don't have to worry about rent.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
And they've got the Left, you know, doing everything they
can to give them a head start. The Left has
no answer for what's going to happen in the long run.
They just hate us. They want to destroy Norman Rockwell
nineteen fifties of America because they're damaged people, right, and
they want to get back at the high school quarterback
and the cheerleader who wouldn't let.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Them set at their table in high school because they
were green haired freaks. Now that's the left. They're bad enough.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
They're sitting around on food stamps, watching Netflix, eating chubby Hobby,
you know, crying and talking about how racist we are.
But meanwhile, on the globalist republican establishment right, as represented
by Pinocchio, knows Mike Johnson and the rest of them,
they are in bed with the global Chamber of Commerce.
The US Chamber of Commerce isn't like your dad's buddies
from the barber shop, you know, going down to you know,

(37:58):
have a business meeting. The biggest, most powerful corporations in
the world, multi million dollar, massively funded, basically lobbying group,
and they determine that labor is supposed to be as
cheap as possible in this country, and it is replacement.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Migration corporations don't care about us.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
They have no loyalty to our flag, They certainly have
no loyalty to our churches, they have no loyalty to
our culture. And these foreigners are not coming over and assimilating,
they're taking over. And so if young Americans are not
able to get to afford a home, which most will
never be, if things keep going the way they're going,
and they're not even able to get a job, and

(38:37):
they are still expected to pay for the food stamp
money that's going to all of these foreigners.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Folks.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
I mean, you have to offer a program. You've got
to offer people something, you know, And so I'm urging
the Republican Party. You have a massive opportunity right here,
or you can blow the biggest comeback opportunity in American
history with Trump coming back from getting prosecuted and shot
in the ear coming back. We have the opportunity right
now to change things, and we're not doing it. I

(39:02):
give the President some credit for the one hundred thousand
dollars fees, but it's not enough. If it's just going
to be one time only the big corporations will still
pay it.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, no, it' it's it's very it's very true. And
I think I think as we're going on along, it
seems like all the decisions that both parties really I
think a lot of times are making, it's centralizing the
power among a handful of the elite and the political
class and the you know, especially like you know, big
tech and these big corporations. Everything is centralizing the power.
And I think what's what's really concerning is you listen

(39:32):
to guys like Elon Musk and Sam Altman and all that,
and what they're talking about is that over the next
decade that there's gonna be no more need for human
beings to be in the workforce at all. So you know,
that's happening. So they're fast tracking everything with AI and
optimist robots and all that, and then we're importing all
of the all this cheap labor through illegal immigration, through
these visas, through all of that, and then to me,

(39:55):
this is a recipe for disaster. When they're literally saying
there's gonna be no more need for human beings to
be in the workforce in the next decade, and then
we're importing all this cheap labor, and then now all
of a sudden, nobody can work and everybody's going to
be dependent upon the government. Then that to me is
really when this country implodes to a certain degree.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Yeah, what are people going to do? It's it's a
very big question.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Our economy was built on the hard work of the
generations who came before us, and we are not getting
the benefits of that. And we're not even getting the
benefits of our own hard work because the rents are
so high and the taxes go to the food stamp recipients,
and home ownership is not possible, and everybody is working
multiple jobs, myself included here in DC, to try to

(40:37):
scrape by. And if you've said conservative stuff on the
internet over the years, it's even harder for that for you,
for your LinkedIn to get you know, matched up right,
isn't it. So we're all experiencing that. But you know,
I'm very grateful for infu wars for encouraging my hobby
of well, it's more than a hobby, it's pretty much

(40:58):
my life, passion, my life, pursuit of investigative journalism and
trying to help empower citizens. There's that progressive word. I
hate empower. Anytime I hear empowerment. I know I'm not
the one being empowered, right, but I want to empower
citizen journalists people like me. And yes, I'm sorry to say,
we have to talk about the race issue. A lot
of these foreigners who come over here hate hate white people,

(41:20):
and they also stopate in the media. The mainstream media
is extremely anti white. This is a country. By the way,
if you go to prison, as many of my friends
did after January six, you realize that in prison society
it's completely race based. Everything is race based. The white
said this TV, the black said that TV and everybody
has race on the brain at all times in this country.

(41:40):
To pretend otherwise is ridiculous. It's not true to the
way that we live. We just have to deal with it.
We have to be adults. We have to put on
our big boy pants here, okay, and we have to
have adult conversations about these issues. I don't want to
be replaced in my own country. I don't want to
be a hated minority in my own country. But the
globalists are cynicly doing that to us. And make no mistake,
they are motivated by race.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah. Well, and and they're they're pitting us against each other.
It's this, it's the it's the age old, you know,
strategy of divide and conquered. It's it's it's all that
they're doing is just trying to find as many different
ways as they possibly can to pit us against each other.
In the life chat, we've got Ice Ice Windy go
she she brought up an interesting point. I want to
throw this to and they said, both right and left
support different aspects of the benefit of the globalist zionist

(42:22):
central bankers, and and and and it's and it's interesting
dealing with the left and the right, it seems like
neither side, Democrat or Republican, are oftentimes willing to engage
with these kinds of topics that you're talking about here,
especially when you're dealing with the visas, when you're dealing
with all of that. Trump has kind of been an
outlier to where, you know, depending on the circumstance, he'll
he'll tackle some of these controversial issues. But what's been

(42:44):
the response from let's say you know Congress or Senate
about this issue specifically, since you're out there in d C.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Oh, they're they're against me, I mean almost down the line. Uh,
you'll see, and maybe maybe there are a couple of folks.
There have been some true, pretty good new ones coming
in in recent years under Trump, but by and large,
I mean, nowhere close to our majority. No, Mike Johnson
and all of them, they're on board with the Chamber
of Commerce, and they're on.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Board with globalism. So it's a two headed beast.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
And it's it's a sad thing to see because the
private sector in this economy, if it was actually a
fair you know, everybody wants to talk about free market,
it's not a free market when every other country is
manipulating their currency and has protectionist trade policies and we don't.
That just makes America a big bank for the rest
of the world and our money. I mean, you saw

(43:33):
it with USAID going out all over the world. It's
just ridiculous that America has essentially lost sovereignty. Now President
Donald Trump, who I love, who I've devoted my entire
adult life to helping okay literally, and that's okay.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
I've put in the investments.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
But you know what, he's a guy who, as you said,
will say things, he will make very bold statements because
he's on our side at heart. But then if his
administration gets into power and go and has these moderate
policies and doesn't fix the issues, what you're doing is
you're inflaming the entire left to say this guy is
an authoritarian, he's Hitler, he's a Nazi, he's the worst guy.

(44:10):
These folks in DC actually believe that. By the way,
they're walking around actually thinking that it's nineteen thirty nine
and there are tanks rolling down the street.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Okay, they really believe it.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Okay, So if you're going to engage with any of
the hot button issues that the left really wants to
go hard on you, and you are the opposition to that,
and you get power and you have the opportunity to
change things and you don't do it, then you're going
to be dropping the ball in history. And I don't
mean to criticize President Trump, but you know what, it
just is what it is. Man. I've been helping this

(44:40):
guy for ten years. His administration needs to go harder,
and I'm up here, you know, screaming at the top
of my lungs, and I've gotten them to listen to
me and a few things. I've been able to affect
a few policies. So far in this administration. I've had
more success than in the first term. But we've got
a long long way to go.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, no, we really do. And I think it, you know,
and I think that this This has been one of
my my criticisms of the Trump administration is is like,
there's the ideal, like you said, like like his rhetoric
and the things that he talks about, which I think
the vast, vast, vast majority of us on the right
agree with. But then there's the application. And I think
that the question becomes, you know, why are we getting

(45:19):
the bad application of these principles? And I think, you know,
a great example is the Argentinian you know, beef issue,
where it's like, Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna start
importing beef from Argentina while our own beef farmers are
struggling to get by. It's like, let's put the American
beef farmers first. Let's get this, you know, what's happening
in America fixed before we start helping other countries. To me,

(45:40):
we should be helping other countries out of our surplus,
not while we're in a deficit. Does that make sense?
We might we might have lost him right there. Let's
let's see if we get him back here here in
just a second. But it's but to me, like, well,

(46:01):
while we're waiting for him to uh see if we
can get him to uh to come back on. I
think I think I think it comes it comes down
to this, like very general.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Yeah, well here's here's the deal with all that is.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yep, oh, well we lost them. Let's say if we
can get him back on again. You know, you know,
I'm very thankful for Patrick, you know, coming on the
show because you know he's on the go in d C.
Let's see here there we go.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Hey, sorry Frock.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Okay, So, as I was saying, Susie, what.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
Some of these people like Chris Peter.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Giving him bad advice and help President Trump help himself.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, no, no, definitely. I I've I've I've long questioned
and I've long been frustrated with some of those guys
in his inner circle that I think lead him in
the wrong direction. They don't they they maybe they're believers
in Trump, but they're not believers in the Mega agenda
and the America First agenda. And that's one of my
concerns about the Trump administration to me, And again, I
feel like what happened like the first time around, we

(47:10):
had two years to get stuff done and we didn't,
and then we lost one we lost Congress, and then
all of a sudden we couldn't get anything done for
the second two years. And I'm nervous that the same
thing is happening this time is that we're not getting
things done legislatively. We're not getting things done because of
Susie Wilds and all these guys kind of manipulating the
different agencies and all that kind of stuff into where
then we're gonna get to the second half of his

(47:30):
administration and he's really not gonna be able to get
things done.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Well, I'll tell you the real root of the problem.
And I'm certainly not going to make any friends from
the GOP establishment by saying this, but I think the
Citizens United decision needs to be overturned by the Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Supreme Court might.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Overturn present Metal terrorf power this week, which is a
Travis Day disgrace.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
They need to overturn Citizens United.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
The idea that Citizens United benefits people like Donald Trump
is completely wrong. Donald Trump want have won in a
massive landslide if it wasn't for us since United, if
you're not going up against billionaires on the other side,
like George Soros, and he needed Elon Musk to come
in and pay the bills on the campaign in order
to compete in a big election. And then Elon Musk
had a lot to say, and the donors have a
lot to say. The donors want to keep it multi

(48:14):
billion dollar elections because that allows them to keep power
amongst themselves and their friends, and they work both sides.
And so then an actor like Trump or you know,
on the left like Bernie Sanders or whoever, is able
to tap into a populist momentum, gets into office and
then is not able to govern the way that they
want to because of the entrenched interests.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah. No, it's a great point. So then in response
to this, and especially onto your story with with with
the h one b bss, like, what should the people
that are watching this show do, because like, that's the
thing that I always want to focus on, is Okay,
So what's the tangible thing that we can do in
order to try to try to effect change or get
things to go in the right direction. Do we need
to like just is it just as simple as calling

(48:55):
our congressman? Do we need like like, like, what what
do you want people to do in respec to your expose?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Well, you can call your congressman. I don't know if
it's going to do much good. Jim Banks has put
forth a bill, but it's not going anywhere on Capitol Hill.
They're just trying to ignore this. They're trying to look
the other way. From my mind right now, in reality,
the real, realistic answer is I think a change can
only come from an executive order from President Trump in
the White House, and that's what it's going to take.
And so I think he is the person who we

(49:23):
need to appeal to, and we need to peel back
these layers of folks who are getting in between us
and him, and we have to say, mister President, I
love you. It's been ten years of my life now
I'm just trying to accomplish some very simple things. As
you know, I've been doing investigative journalism, broken some of
the biggest stories Ashley Biden's diary, Ralph Northam's blackface hist
center of the Department of Veterans a fair scandal. One

(49:45):
of the things I loved about Trump was when I
broke the Veterans of a Fair scandal in twenty fourteen.
He saw it on Fox and Friends, and then when
he got into office, he actually did something about it
and changed it. And that's what I'm trying to do.
That should be the point of citizen journalism. I'm very
upfront about that. I don't really pretend to be objective.
I tell you who I support or who I don't support.
I tell you what I want to get done. It
doesn't make the facts any less. True journalism has changed,

(50:08):
and so I want to get stuff done. Otherwise, what
am I doing talking? Just just talking to hear myself talk.
We have to get stuff done, but it's got to
start with President Trump.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yeah, no, absolutely so. So if people want to want
to follow you, and again you do some phenomenal investigative
reporting and all that, where do they go for that?
Whe's the best place for them to tap into what
you're doing over there?

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Yeah, you can follow me on Twitter x dot com,
slash Holley Reporter, h O W L E y Howly Reporter,
like Joe Howley who kicked off the Easter Rising of
nineteen sixteen for Super Bowl MVBA Chuck Howey of the
Dallas Cowboys, or you can follow. You can go to
my website Patrick Reports dot com and you can send
me an email. And I respond to most of my
emails except for the hate mail that I get from India.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
I try to, I don't. I don't really have time
to respond to all that.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
But if you're an American and you want to reach
out to me and get in touch and work together.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Patrick Reports dot com.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yep, definitely. I I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you, you know,
breaking it all down. I'll put I'll put the links
in the show notes. They can go follow you over there.
But Patrick, I appreciate you coming on the show and
I will definitely have to have you back on again sometime.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Thank you, sir, Jeff, I love you, talk to you
so back at you.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Well, well, we'll see everybody. Make sure you guys are
following him. You guys are going over to his website,
Patrick report dot com, follow him on on social media.
We'll have what to get him set up on Pickax
here soon. So that way he can be over there
as well, you know. But I I appreciate, you know,
the live chat vapin gamers. It's good to see you.
It was great to meet you over there at over

(51:37):
there at dream Hack. I thoroughly, thoroughly loved our conversations
that we had, uh, you know, diving into theology and
eschatology and and all that kind of stuff. And I
ice Windy go. I appreciate all of your comments in
the live chat as well, you know, and and and
you know, we need more conversations. And that's why I
had Ken on where you know, ken Is is one

(51:58):
of my closest friends in the conservative Christian world, and I,
you know, I agree with them on the vast majority
of things. I find some differences, and I think you
can tell in some of my lines of questions with
ken I find some differences between you know, Kin's view
on Israel and my view on Israel in the sense
of how we apply that today. But also like I
want to have these conversations, and there's no love lost,

(52:21):
and I didn't I didn't think that I disagree with
them all that much. But there's also some legitimate, you know,
questions and concerns and critiques of you know, Tucker and
as well as with Israel. And so I think we
need more of these conversations, whether or not we agree
with people or disagree with people. I think we need
to have more more free flowing conversations, allow people to
say what they really mean and then let the chips

(52:42):
fall where they may. You know, if you agree with somebody, great,
If you disagree with somebody, great, but at least you
got you've got their perspective, you can you can compare
it with what you believe, and then you can have
some self reflection. You could say, Okay, did that reinforce
what I believe because their argument didn't hold up? Or
do I need to rethink something for myself and then
maybe I need to tweak it, or maybe I just
realized I'm completely totally wrong. So for me, and this

(53:05):
is just my takeaway from today's episode, is like when
you see you know Tucker and Nick Fuintes, I don't
want to stop those conversations with happening. And you know,
there was certain things that Nick said that I agree with,
and there's a lot of things that he said that
I disagree with, and you know, and so for me,
I look at it from that perspective, I have. I
have zero problem with with Tucker interviewing anybody. I've often

(53:29):
said I will interview anybody. There's pretty much nobody. The
only people that I would not allow to come on
to come on the show or are are the bad
actors in the sense, you know, the people that the
people that are just grifting, the people that aren't true believers.
But if you're a true believer but you're dead wrong,
I will have you on my show all day long

(53:50):
and then we'll talk about it. We'll discuss it. I've
had conservatives, I've had leftists, I've had you know, one
of my favorite interviews was was Ted Rall coming on,
and he's a lifelong Democrat, leftist, progressive cartoonist, and he's
on Pickaxe, one of the nicest people you ever meet.
I fundamentally disagree with I'm on a vast majority of issues,
but I love our conversations. I love being able to
talk to him and other people like him, So you know,

(54:12):
so for me, you know, I full transparency. I put
in a request to have Nick Fuente's on the show,
so we'll see, we'll see what happens. We'd love to
talk to Nick and pick his brain, challenge him a
little bit, you know, allow him to, you know, see
if he can overcome my objections, you know, the whole deal.
So we need this kind of mentality, you know, so

(54:32):
definitely vap and Gamer said one hundred percent, yes, Bro,
I'm looking forward to more. You cannot get to the
truth unless you hear different points of a matter. In
my opinion, I one hundred percent agree. And that's why
even my view on is reel has been morphing over
the last several months, is because I realized that I
had been inundated with one worldview, but I never I

(54:54):
had never actually allowed it to be challenged. And when
I allow it to be challenged, it kind of changes
the way that I look at things a little bit,
you know, Like you know, for example, on on Genesis
twelve three, as I posed it kind of in my
question with Pastor Ken, I think, and this is just
my opinion, and again no hard feelings with Ken at all.
We have a difference of opinion there, but like I
think that looking at the context in Genesis twelve three,

(55:16):
that I think that that applied to Abraham and not
necessarily that his descendants in the sense of the wording
and in the specific phrasing that was used within that verse.
There's other promises that extend to his offspring. I think
that one was specifically to Abraham. And so the you know,
blessed is real and you'll be blessed, and you know,

(55:37):
basically curses real and you'll be cursed. I don't think
that that necessarily applies to supporting every single governmental decision
that they make, or having to back them in war
or anything along those lines. I don't think that we
would be cursed in for doing so. But I think
that we also should be very supportive of the Jewish people.
We should stand against anti Semitism wherever it is. We

(55:58):
should stand against racism, we should stand against hey, we
should standing against blood guilt, which is standing against all
these different kinds of things because they are morally wrong.
But when push comes to shove at the end of
the day, Israel, yes, they deserve to be a country.
They deserve that land. That land was promised to them
by God since since Abraham. So that is a fact.

(56:20):
And we also know that God has a plan for
Israel in the future. In the Book of Revelation, that
is a fact as well. So they are God's chosen
people that God brings blessing to the earth through Israel,
through Christ and then through eschatology, especially through in times,
what happens in the in the future, and so so
I think that there is definitely a new Like I

(56:41):
have a very nuanced perspective when it comes to Israel.
I don't want us to get sucked into any more wars.
In my opinion, we should be supporting people out of
our surplus. I'm all for if you know, if you
know the Israel Is being invaded, sind our troops there,
let's support them. They're are ally, But I don't want
to go on the offensive on behalf of them like
we did with Iran. That's something that I'm not the

(57:01):
biggest fan of doing. So it's a nuanced conversation, and
I think especially dealing with the theological aspect of all
of this kind of stuff, it really it makes it
to where I'm not really on anybody's camp, which is
really really interesting. So ice Wind you go also said
having differences in normal dialogue requires that you allow other
people to think differently, and vapping and gabers and then

(57:23):
responded to ice Wind to go. I think that is
why free speech is so important. I agree, And also
Israel issue is a big topic. Ice Windigo also said, yes,
super important. Cancel culture and hate speech restrictions are censorship.
I agree. That is why I am completely opposed to
the to everybody calling for the you know, let's ban

(57:45):
Tucker Carlson, you know, deep platform him, like the whole deal.
And I'm just sitting here and I'm like, you guys
agree with him on ninety eight percent of things. The
only thing you guys disagree with him on is the
government of Israel. He's very pro Jewish and he's anti
anti He's opposed to anti Semitism. He made that clear
in his conversation with with Nick Fuintes, And so you know,

(58:06):
I completely oppose like the the you know, let's let's
cancel you know, Tucker Carlson. Personally, I've stopped listening to
Cantie Owens because because I you know, I don't need
everything looking at it through the perspective of it's the Jews,
because because when you when you think about it, when
you turn when you blame the Jews for everything, then
how how can I trust you to make an honest

(58:27):
fair assessment of what's going on when you're looking through
the lens of the Jews are the problem in all
of our issues, which I disagree with. And so so
it's like, so I've stopped listening to Candie Owans and
other people that talk like that. I don't pay attention
at all with the Nick Fuenttes, but I was fascinated
by the conversation. And again I I I did not
think that Tucker did as bad of a job as

(58:48):
what everybody else did. I think it's a fair criticism
to say you should have you should have brought up
some of these really ridiculous claims and things that that
Nick has said over the years and be like, dude,
what are you talkingalking about Hitler in that way? For it? Like,
I think, I think that's a fair critique of Tucker.
Should Tucker be canceled for it? Should he be should
he lose his alignment with Turning Point USA, Should he

(59:10):
be cast out of the Republican Party? No, because we
agree with him on ninety eight percent of things. You
just like literally the one point of disagreement is whether
or not you platform Nick Fintes and whether or not
you support the Nation of israel In in how they're
conducting their wartime behavior. That's really what it comes down to.
And so you know that's that's that's my two cents

(59:30):
on it. So, guys, I appreciate you guys tuning in.
I love seeing the live chat and you guys chatting
over there. Make sure you guys are doing that every
single day. We're I'm now doing the show Tuesdays and Thursday. Oh,
Vavian Gabors said, and this is a great point before
before I close, blaming all Jews is like blaming all
white people for slavery. It is a ludicrous statement. In
my opinion, could not agree more one hundred percent agree.

(59:54):
So I think we'll close out on that. We're doing
the show Tuesdays and Thursdays, Thursday. I'm gonna be back
same time, one o'clock with my good friend Karen Kingston.
And that actually just booked in a couple of weeks on
Tuesday the eighteenth. You guys, mark your calendars. You guys
want to be here for that. Okay, I'm bringing on
doctor Mary Tally Boden and Rachel Alexander, the probably, in
my opinion, probably the two foremost experts on lawfair. Okay,

(01:00:16):
doctor Boden is dealing with medical boards. Rachel Alexander has
has dealt with the with the state bar associations. Those
two we're gonna have a We're gonna have a really
really interesting conversation on law fair and how the regulating
agencies and the and the state boards and all that
kind of stuff are weaponized against conservatives and freedom lovers,
you medical freedom crowd, attorneys, the whole deal. So we're

(01:00:39):
gonna have the two of them on for a really
interesting conversation. We're gonna have basically a three person conversation
between doctor Mary Tally Boden and Rachel Alexander. As you guys,
just for a quick reference, doctor Boden is dealing with, uh,
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you know, getting ivermectin to a patient that was dying
in a hospital. And Rachel Alexander has dealt with law
fair her alf personally as an attorney. She used to

(01:01:02):
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jo Or Apaio's attorney as well, and she basically lost
her ability to practice law because of the state bar
being weaponized against her for defending a client, like for like,
in doing her job, she got penalized, and then as
a journalist now she's reporting on this. She understands this

(01:01:23):
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