October 30, 2025 • 55 mins
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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for
expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion,
on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation, instead of free choice,
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on guerrillas by.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Night instead of armies by day.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and
material resources into the building of a tight, highly efficient
machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Not published.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Its mistakes are buried, not headlined, itsents not praise.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You know, once you appoint yourself an arbiter, if what's
true and what's not true, then there's really no and
to the power that you have now assumed for yourself.
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Kingston when she introduced me to you, she was like,
this is the godfather of exposing technocracy, and so it's
an honor to have you on. I'm glad we can
sit down here in chat for a bit me too.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
This is a great place to be for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, you know, and it's it's interesting because I think
that obviously everybody's talking about like AI and the technology
and all this kind of stuff that's happening, but it's
kind of a mixed bag about really, like whether people
are for it or against it, you know. I just
I just had a guy on my show the other
day who was kind of like basically saying like, oh,
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there's nothing you can do about AI, we just need
to embrace it and figure out how to use it
and all this kind of stuff. And I'm just like,
you do realize that, like Elon quite literally said, it's
either going to be Terminator or the movie Wally, He's
basically the way that he described. I'm like, I kind
of don't want either one. So what's your assessment of
the trajectory that we're heading in right now when it
comes to all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You know, it's not about the technology. It's never been
about the technology per se. It's about the people at
the top of the pyramid at this point. They're misusing
the technology. They have no guard rails, they don't care
to have any guard rails. They're lobbying Washington DC to
take all regulation away from them. Don't even look at them.
(04:57):
They just want to move fast and break things. And
this is a bad attitude in my opinion all around.
And so it's not the technology per se that we're
concerned about. The people at the top of it. They're psychophants,
their psychopaths. Some of them are just flat out psychotic,
(05:17):
I think, and they just don't care about the human race,
so they do things that are clearly destructive to the
human race. And we see it every day, increasingly every day.
I had two articles just today on Technocracy News that
deal with the psychological impact of chat shept and other
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things like that, the companion apps. Millions of people are
getting into this, these companion apps where they're interacting with
the chat shept or another like a rock and they're
getting advice, personal advice to do things like, you know,
kill themselves. Just no problem. You know, this is absolutely insane.
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But again, it's not the technology, it's the people running it.
These are the people that we need to get rid
of at this point. And to a man, they should
all be bad for the industry.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, well, you know, And the thing is, so, you know,
and I would I would agree with you because like,
when you look at the people that are behind a
lot of this technology, you look at their worldview. And
I just had Alex Newman on my show yesterday and
he and he made the point that he's like none
of them are God fearing people, Like they're all atheists,
they're all anti God, they're all completely opposed. Again, the
main people that are behind a lot of this kind
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of stuff. And then you even look at, you know,
somebody like Elon Work where quite literally he's developing technology.
To me, he almost feels like he has a little
bit of a Jesus complex, like he thinks that he's God. Like,
he's developing technology to make the paralyzed walk, the blind
to see. He's gonna quote unquote raps up a certain
segment of the population and take them to outer space.
And you're just sitting here and you're like, Okay, he
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doesn't believe in God, he doesn't believe in Christian worldview,
and he's developing this technology that will centralize the power
among himself and a handful of the elites. And I
think that that, you know, when you're talking about the
people that are behind it, it seems like all this
technology is doing is centralizing the power, and it's going
to be taking away all of our inalienable rights. It's
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going to be taken away all of our freedoms in
our individual sovereignty. And I don't see any way around
it if we keep going down this trajectory.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think you're right. The worldview you talk about, a
biblical worldview, a Christian worldview, whatever. There's different ways to
look at what your worldview is. But the technic crat
worldview is a horse of another collar. You can't get
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a handle on it until you jump into the brain.
That's a dangerous thing to do. I've done it, and
trying to figure out what are these what are these
people thinking? But let me let me tell you in
a nutshell, these people the technocrat mindset is mechanistic and
it's and it's outlook. In other words, everything is just
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a mechanical thing to be discovered and whatever, whatever it
is in science, genetic stuff, whatever, whatever you can get
a handle on in nature, anything in nature, anything in
the human body, whatever, drilling for them to drill into
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these areas to try to understand how things work without
a soul. They have no concept of soul spirit, and
you know that's that's totally foreign to these people. But
the mechanistic mindset says, basically, you're just a collection of
random atoms building molecules, building your body, and you're just
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there for no particular reason, and therefore that gives them
the ability or the right to determine your future. Because
they look at people just like the cattle and the
feed lot there's no different to them. Well, it's just
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a herd to be managed. They're not real in the
sense that they have a conscience, they have a real
soul sort of thing. Oh, they're just cattle. We can
do whatever we want to do with cattle. We saw
this during COVID. That was exactly a perfect example of
the mechanistic mindset. How could one group of people cause
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basically the whole human race, seventy two percent at least
of the human race, to get one or more experimental
shots that did damage to their body. That's insane, But
not to these people. They had no problem with that,
and they still don't have a problem with it today.
So the mechanistic worldview is really really ugly as far
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as we're concerned. It's doing harm to the human race
everywhere it goes, and it won't stop until that worldview
is confronted. This is what that's part partly what we do.
What we do to confront that worldview. Say, guys, you're
off base here. You need to stop it. You need
to consider maybe you don't know everything, and you need
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to consider what are people, what people are doing out
in where people live in a country. You need to
understand there's more people on this planet other than just you.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, well and I and I think it's it's very
easy for a lot of these guys, and especially as.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
We've turned into a much more global.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Society, and you know, even even nationwide, it's like it's
like because of social media and technology in the news,
it's like we're connected with people all around the country
to where you have these guys and they see every
everybody as a group, right, you know, you're just a
group of people. And then you know they're talking about
like you mentioned, like the COVID shots. Okay, they're talking
about like public health, which is basically they're just running statistics.
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They're they're running that. They're not looking at it from
an individualistic standpoint. They're looking at it as okay, what's
what does the herd look like? Oh, we'll only lose
five percent or ten percent or whatever it is that
we're saving ninety percent, so we're fine. Whereas the Founding Fathers,
it's like they had a much more biblical worldview in
the sense that they were looking at the individual rights.
They weren't looking at our collective rights. They weren't looking
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at us as a group. It was you, as an
individual are created in the image of God, and thus
you have certain inaiable rights that cannot be taken on
by the government. And you have value as an individual
because you're created in the image of God. And that's
something that these guys don't have. And I think that
that's probably why they're able to do all of this
kind of stuff and feel no guilt, no shame, no
anything is because they deny the rights giver in his very.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Existence exactly exactly. So, you know, we dance with the
concept of scientism. In the last century it was slice
and diced all over the place. Many people like C. S. Lewis,
for instance, he wrote a lot about scientism and the
scientism is the worship of science, for one thing, and
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it posits that there is no God for sure, and
so it's it's a free for all to dig into nature,
into science whatever, to drill into things and what what
people like C. S. Lewis concluded a by the way, F. A.
Hyatt was another guy wrote about scientism very critically. He said, uh. C. S.
(12:45):
Lewis said in his short book The Abolition of Man, basically,
I'll paraphrase, when when man seeks to discover nature in detail.
The more he discovers, the more nature captures him, rather
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than him him capturing nature. He thinks he's going to
he's he thinks he's going to capture nature, but nature
then in the end results in capturing him. And that's
the concept of the abolition of man and the end
of it, the the and the discoverers, if you will,
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are all destroyed because their humanity has been removed. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, Now, now do you think and what what what's
your opinion on the idea that of the of there
being a spiritual or demonic component behind a lot of this,
you know, development of technology and a lot of these
guys that are behind the technology.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Because it was.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Interesting because I had I had somebody from a mainstream
news outlet and she was a reporter and she and
she reached out to me to ask me that very
question because she's seeing from you know, a lot of
the guys in Silicon Valley. She's seeing a lot more
people talking about the demon and and this spiritual component
behind things like artificial intelligence and you know, quantum computing
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and all that kind of stuff. What's what's your take
on that? With you know, all of your extensive research
on this.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You know, I own I have a car, Yeah, and
I like it. I like the car. It takes me
from point to point A to B. Is my car
capable of being demon possessed? I don't think so. I
don't think so. Honestly, just a car, just a car. Whatever.
(14:33):
If if I was demon possessed and I wanted to
kill somebody with my car, I could do that easily, right,
just drive it into a crowd or something. But by itself,
inanimate objects aren't subject to demon possession, right, Okay, So
in that sense, the machine, the AI machine, the computers
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that run it, and all that sort of stuff, they're
no more demon possessed in my car. However, the use
of that technology in the hands of people who are
clearly influenced by demonic forces, they're going to exhibit outcomes
that reflect their nature. That makes sense to me, perfect sense. Yeah,
(15:21):
So you know, I don't. I don't. I know, some people,
even Elon Musk, I mean, he said something recently like
he's summoning the demons or something, you know, with AI. Well,
no you're not. That's not the way it works, Elon.
You You're being influenced by demons perhaps and you're maybe
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you're listening too closely whatever they're telling you to do.
But you're going to turn around then and you're going
to that that will be uh put into your creations
if you will, not the not the physical side of it,
but the application of it. For instance, I talked about
(16:03):
suicide where a young person recently was he killed himself
because chat Chept convinced him, don't talk to your parents
about this, you know, you just leave it alone. We'll
talk about it, we're work it out. And the kid
ended up hanging himself in his room with the rope
that chat ChiPT said he should hide that from his
(16:27):
parents until he hung himself. Okay, what happened there, Well,
the machine itself didn't cause him to do anything, but
the machine was expressing words, in other words, the output
that came out of its mouth. It doesn't have a mouth,
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but okay, it's talk to the kid, and the kid
saw that as just being person. He didn't could couldn't
tell at that point that his AI was sentient or not.
He probably was thinking, well, it really understands me now,
and it's talking to me as if it was a
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real person. But it wasn't. He was deceived. That was
total deception. So where where does the demonic influence reside? Here?
It resides in the behavioral output of AI. Yeah, that's
the rub. These people at the top, they could stop
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that behavior anytime they choose to. There's no way they
can hide. Oh, we just we didn't know what we're doing.
You know, we thought we're doing good. We're putting safety
where you know, we've got people suicide counselors come in.
Give me a break. If Sam Autman wanted to stop
that behavior, he wouldn't. For instance, he wouldn't have just
(17:53):
unleashed a new flavor of chat box for mostly adults
now that are going to be sex spots yep uh
to uh lure adult men into a relationship with chat gpt,
to stroke their their sexual urges, if you will, and
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get them separated from their wife and their their loved
ones and whatever. He could stop that anytime he wanted to.
But he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
And so again, where is a demonic flu uh uh
influence coming from people like Sam Altman at the top
(18:38):
of the pyramid. They're they they're the only ones who
could stop it. If they if they tried, I think
they would be very successful, very quickly.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, well, you know, because and I think it This
is again one of some of the concerns is that
I think a lot of these guys, they do have
so much control and so much power obviously over this technology.
I think a lot of them try to feign innocence
of like, oh, no, we didn't know that this was
going to happen, and then we're shocked in surprise and
blah blah blah blah when a reality and I think
we've seen this a variety of times where you had
one programmer will make some kind of tweak to the
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database or the algorithm or something along those lines, and
then the AI goes rogue and starts talking on crazy talk.
It's like that took one small line of code and
you you know, all of a sudden, Grock is promoting
Hitler like like they have power, they have control. But
this is also some of the concern of when we're
talking about these same companies open Ai, Xai. All these
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companies are contracting now with the federal government and the
Trump administration on integrating this technology into the federal government.
And I'm just sitting here and I'm like, is this
really the direction we should go when we're basically now
what we're eliminating the human contact within the government, and
that we're placing with technology that we all know is biased,
it's controlled by these you know, companies. Is this the
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route that we should be going right now?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah? Not at all. Yeah, this is this is a
subject of my book that's just going to come out
probably next week, maybe the week after, called The Final Betrayal.
And this is very disturbing. But when you consider everything
that happened this year in Washington, d c vsa V,
these technocrats basically taken over the whole mechanism. At this
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point in Washington, AI is everywhere now, it's infiltrated every agency,
it's in some cases it's going to be replacing whole departments.
And this is not what we want at all. Now,
having said that, there are probably some uses for AI.
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The probably could benefit somebody in their job. Maybe they
do research or something and they just need the facts
of something. Maybe there's some good applications for AI even
in government. But the intent, the intent that these the
evil people at the top have is not to benefit
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the workers at all. Is to gain control over the
whole system, to make to change the whole course of
government and how governance is operated in the first place.
This is going to be the darkest period of life
in America that we've ever experienced, even worse than the
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Great Depression. I do believe.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, no, I no, I agree. And and it's interesting
too because because what's being sold to us in the
pitch to the American people on the on the implication
and the integration of this into the government is that
is this is there kind of selling this caricature of
what artificial intelligence could be. Oh, this neutral arbiter of truth,
and you take out the human element which is full
of errors, and we can replace it with this perfection whatever.
(21:47):
But then you sit there and you look at again,
how you know, inept A lot of a lot of
the technology is but then also a lot of the control,
like like you said that Sam Oltman and all these
guys have And I think a perfect example is uh,
you know, there's there's a guy Ted Rall who's a
leftist columnist and cartoonist that he's on bick Ax. I've
had him on the show. He's completely deleted from Open
(22:08):
AI chat GPT, So if you go to type in
his name in chat GPT, it'll say that it won't
even give you a reply. It'll say that this is
a violation of our terms of service to even entertain
the question. But open AI, using the same large language model,
is contracted with the federal government, so theoretically ted rawl
is deleted from that database. Could that have implications to
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the rest of us? And how much power these companies have?
Do we talk about cancel culture, we talk about power
and censorship. Think about like the kind of power that
these companies can have if it's fully implicated or fully
integrated into the government.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You're right, You're right. I believe that the greatest attack
on free speech is coming. We didn't see anything during COVID.
I complained all the way. I don't know. I think
I told you once upon a time that I found
uh citizens for free speech in twenty eighteen, just before COVID,
(23:05):
And when COVID hit, our our membership just exploded all
over the place. Is since died down, and people aren't
so concerned today about free speech like they were back then.
But I can guarantee you you haven't seen anything yet.
It's going to be it's going to be more fierce
and more ugly now that AI is on the scene
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and force, and these people will not tolerate any outliers
in the end of it. And if you're if you're
on one of those people talking out from the outside end,
you're going to be completely excluded for the conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Well, and I think that to me, the main thing
that they were looking at when it came to the
censorship in COVID was using private companies in order in
order to deal with the deal with the censorship.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And that's why you.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Saw the pressure on you know, Twitter and Facebook and
all that. But you know, I'm hearing and I'm listening
to like guys like Sam Altman, and I think even
Elon and Bill Gates have talked about this too. But
you know, basically, you know how AI and robots are
going to replace, you know, humans in the workforce, right,
and so Bernie Sanders came out with a report saying
that AI is going to take away one hundred million
(24:14):
jobs over the next decade. I think Elon and Bill
Gates are saying that there's mean no more need for
humans in the workforce because AI and robots and optimists
will do everything for us, right, But what they're what
they're then pitching is don't well do universal basic income,
not from the government but from the private companies. So
like open ai. Open ai will pay a quote unquote
dividend to you because they eliminated your job, and so
(24:36):
you're going to earn some of the profits, you know,
because they took away took away your job. Well, think
about the kind of power and control that these companies
will have if you know, you have a private entity
that's saying, well, here's your livelihood, here's your money for rent,
here's your money for food, here's all of this. Oh,
but we don't like what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
We don't agree with how you're spending your money, so
we're going to cut you off. They have the authority
to do it because they're a private entity, whereas maybe
the federal government theoretic wouldn't have that same kind of
power and constitutional authority.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
To do this.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Is this is where I think that you know, these
private companies and AI companies will actually have more power
than the federal government if all of this stuff is
implemented as they're predicting.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think they already have more power today than we realize.
The federal government even as we speak, is being dismantled
by this technocratic class. You see regulations, what the regulations
that are being stripped away from all the technology companies,
(25:36):
giving them more autonomy to operate without any federal federal oversight.
You see the divide and conquer of phenomena going on
in Congress, for instance, where they're talking about nonsensical issues
that had nothing to do with protecting the country for
(25:56):
the from these technocrats, the the major companies, especially so
Chip Chip Chip away from the chipping away power from
the government, handing it over to the private companies. At
this point, where will that end? Well, let me just
(26:18):
let me explain to you nineteen thirty two when technocracy
was first started and at the heat of the depression
at Columbia University, no less right, these are the top
scientists and engineers at that time, and they wanted they
(26:39):
created a technocracy as an alternative economic system to capitalism. Okay,
this is what they said. I'll have to read you
the whole definition here. I'll get to the point. Technocracy
is the science of social engineering. This one the scientific
operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute
(27:00):
goods and services to the entire population for the first
time in human history. It'll be done as a scientific
technical engineering problem. There's the science on display. Okay, now
it goes on. This is their definition, by the way,
from the Techtracraft magazine. This is direct quote. There will
be no place for politics, politicians, finance or financeers. They
(27:27):
wanted to do a way with all politicians at that point.
They asked, they appealed to FDR. He was elected in
thirty two, seated in thirty three. Right, They appealed to
him to declare himself dictator and dismiss Congress altogether, so
that FDR could just appoint technocrats top to bottom to
(27:51):
run the whole country without any political discourse at all.
Their mechanistic mindset was, hey, we have the science. What's
the discuss. You don't need to add another discussion. This
is it, man. We will tell you the output of
the science. You do it, and that's end of the story.
(28:13):
So they didn't want any politicians in the system. I'll
tell you what. This attitude has not changed a whip.
It hasn't. You can see the disdain these technocrats have
for our elected elected class, all congressmen, all senators, other
(28:34):
people and government as well. You can see the hatred
they have simmering below the surface. And unfortunately the public
is buying into this as well, because well, in nineteen
thirty two, everybody blamed the politicians, you know, that was
(28:55):
the thing. Everybody was angry the politicians for coving causing
the depression in the first place. Just like today, people
are angry with the politicians. They're making they're making the
technocraft's job easy easier. To get rid of the politicians. Well,
we can't fire them outright, but we can sure reduce
(29:18):
the power they have to do anything meaningful to protect
the people of the country. Yep.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Which which is which when you think about it like that,
like like like you said, this is kind of what
bureaucracy is in Washington, d C. Is that is this
you know, this you know state of all these entities
and the and when you listen to a lot of
the a lot of these you know, big name politicians
and the mainstream media and they're talking they're talking about
you know, things like norms and how things work in
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d C and the system and and you and you
start looking at the way things are. It's like, okay,
so we have elections, we elect a new president, but
then for for whatever reason, even though we all voted
for the guy for a particular reason, it's it's it's
it's the way it's pitched. Every is like, well, you
can't break apart the system that's in Washington, d C.
You can't deal with this with HHS, you can't do
this with the CIA, you can't do this with all
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these different departments, because they're intrinsic, they're the career bureaucrats,
and that they continue doesn't matter who the who the
politicians are, doesn't matter who we elect. And then and
then they will fight us to the death, you know,
if we try to actually change the system. And I
think that, you know, they've they've implemented this system to where,
you know, the elections kind of to a certain degree,
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don't really matter. You have two sides of the same coin.
They kind of fight with each other political theater, but
in all reality, the bureaucracies, the agencies, they're just continuing
on business as usual, doesn't matter what's going on in
Congress or senator, the White House.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Exactly. And now we know all of these agencies, by
the way, they have been infiltrated at the top by
technocrats thanks to dodge programs like that. They've swarmed Washington
d C and they've basically taken over the data operations
of every agency in Washington, d C. To free up
(31:05):
the data in the to put it into the cloud
in the first place. But then Pallenteer now is swooped,
is swooped in to take to take an umbrella control
of all that data in Washington d C. Just think
of the possibilities. Don't think about it, don't think about
it at all. But oh my gosh, if you if
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you were a maniac and you wanted to use a
system like that against a group of people, do you
think you could do it? You could? You just could
you hammer them to the death?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah? This is this is the evil intent that had
nothing to do with the operation of Washington d C
per se. But if they can get their hands on
all this data and turn it around to weaponize it
against the whole system, we're a big we're all in
big trouble. That point that that will be the day
(32:02):
that we get literally sucked into the digital gulag.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, well, well like and like we were talking about too,
it's like it's centralizing the data, which is centralized in
the power, whereas you know, the safer like we want.
If we want safety and we want freedom, the best
thing that we can do, the best thing that we
can do is decentralized, which is kind of again the
way the Founding Fathers originally intended it, where the country
was decentralized, each state, you know, self governed. The most
(32:29):
powerful was was the was the most local. The least
powerful was the central government in Washington, d C. But
what they're doing is they're centralizing all the data in
the one and the one spot. And the thing that
the thing that I keep cautioning all the all the
all the all of my MAGA friends and people that
are like, you know Trump can do no wrong, is
I'm like, you realize what he's doing. What's happening here
is you You could make the argument and I won't
(32:50):
even argue with it, that Trump won't weaponize it against US.
RFK Junior won't weaponize And I supported RFK Junior, I
endorsed him when he ran for president. But that was
why that was my one concern when he ran was
how much was pushing on the centralization of data within
HHS and in the use of artificial intelligence within the
federal government. But when you think about the implications of this,
let's just say RFK Junior uses it perfectly within HHS.
(33:11):
Let's say that Trump uses it perfectly within all the
agencies while he's president. What happens when Gavin Newsom wins
in twenty twenty eight. Now you have all this data centralized,
you have the AI that's fully implemented in all these agencies,
and you know, now, all of a sudden, Gavin Newsom,
with the stroke of a pen or just an email
or a quick message to somebody, could say, hey, we
need to manipulate this or change this or do this
(33:33):
or whatever it is. And now we've just handed the
keys over to complete power and centralization of power to
a maniac like Gavin Newsom. Think about how crazy that
is and who set it up. It's the Trump administration,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, And it's interesting. These technocrafts have been operating, at
least in the last fifty years in the United States.
They've always been under the like a new clear submarine.
They've operated under the water, but they've built. They've been
very careful to build the infrastructure to get ready for
this day today, and all of a sudden, they've all
(34:12):
surfaced at the same time during the Trump administration. Going
back in history, now you have the Biden administration, you
had Obama, you had George Bush, then you had the Clintons,
Then you had George Senior for a time, then you
had Ronald Reagan, going back then to Jimmy Carter. All
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these presidents didn't matter if they're a liberal, conservative or
anything in between. They could have been Marxists for that match.
It didn't matter to the technocrats who were operating under
the cover there. In other words, they're not political at all.
They're apolitical. They take anybody in power, consume him, consume them,
(34:55):
and their business is usual for them for the technocrats. Ye,
So at this point in the most headway they've made
over the time has been in a Republican administration, like,
for instance, the Bush administration. So at this point this
(35:20):
appears this could be the last Republican led administration. Not
less like we're going to have more elections going forward
from here, but this could be the last administration where
technocracy takes over all together all together, and we'll do
(35:42):
away with the politicians in the end. And I have
to stress this. They wanted to get rid of all
the politicians in the first place in nineteen thirty two.
This has been going on for one hundred years now almost,
and these people are they still have this in their
mind as a class of people. The technocrats have this
(36:03):
in mind to get rid of all the politicians. In
the end. At some point they're going to have to
dismiss congress. Maybe maybe it's going to take a king,
maybe it's going to take a monarch. By the way,
that's this is one of the philosophies that came in
with this dark Enlightenment nonsense that Elon Musk, Peter Teal,
all these people brought in. They wanted to they wanted
(36:25):
to replace the president with a monarch. That that basically means, well, congress,
how a they going to fit into that? Well, there's
no congress. There may be a parliament, but not the
way they have it now. So that you know, they
talk about this this new political philosophy altogether, this this
antithetic to anything we've had in history in our country.
(36:50):
The constitution that's not even in view when people say, oh,
we have to have a monarch now, like the king
of England. Maybe what are you talking about? Just crazy,
crazy talk. But now the technocrats in Washington, d C.
This is exactly what they're pursuing. They want to get
(37:10):
rid of all the politicians. And if they if they
could just get a king, an autocrat, a CEO in place,
just who lay down the law, say this is the
way that we're going to do things for now on.
And you like like it or lump it. Yeah, this
is not where we want to go in America. No,
(37:31):
not at all, not at all.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And and and like into kind of piggyback off of
what you're saying is, you know, Sam Altman has been
talking about this idea that we need a new social
contract because because in this new era of artificial intelligence,
that it that the constitution is not conducive to where
AI is taking us, and so that we're going to
have to basically have a new constitution for basically artificial intelligence.
(37:55):
And he's just coming out and saying that in interviews,
like he's not covering it up, hiding it whatever it is,
because he sees, no, this is this is a violation
of a variety of constitutional protections that we have as individuals.
You know, everything from privacy rights to free speech to
you know, fill in the blank. There's so many different
issues here and and you know, and I think that
that's the problem is that these guys once they once
(38:17):
they reach a certain point of power or influence or
money or fill in the blank, that all of a sudden,
they think that they can do everything better than all
of us. And and again, our founders were very individualistic.
That was the whole idea. That was the whole idea
of this American experiment was having a country that was
about the individual. That you know, the federal government's job
is to protect the individual's rights, not necessarily the collective.
(38:41):
Obviously national security like certain things like that, you know,
self defense all that, but everything enshrined into the constitution
was about the individual. And you know, but when you're
looking at the government today, you're looking at these you know,
big tech oligarchs basically in Silicon Valley, they're not looking
at the individual at all. They're looking at the collective
and looking for themselves, and they're looking at you know,
(39:02):
statistics and data and numbers and all of that's that's
antithetical to everything that our founding fathers established this country
to be exackling.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
This is why I titled my book The Final Betrayal,
because we've been betrayed big time. Nobody saw this coming.
Nobody saw this in November of twenty twenty four. Nobody,
but nobody saw what was coming in the Trump administration.
(39:33):
And for some reason, they've gotten a free pass to
do whatever they want to do. But that's not what
we voted for in the first place. We voted to
make America great again, to just you know, get the
government off our backs, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
but what's happened is a polar opposite of that. That's betrayal. Yeah,
(40:01):
flat out, that's total betrayal. It's treacherous. It's treasonous, flat out,
flat out ugly.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, well so so so then so then so then
what do we do? Because this is the pushback that
I get all the time because I'm constantly railing on
AI and transhumanism and all this kind of stuff, and
everybody's like, Jeff, why why keep railing on it. It's
not it's not like we can do anything. We can't
stop AI. We can't stop you know, all, you know,
this trajectory from happening. It's like, you know, you know,
what are we gonna do. We're gonna stop Sam Altman,
(40:31):
We're gonna stop Trump. Like, so, what what do we
do in light of coming to this understanding of how
bad this is? Like is it or is it just
completely out of our control?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I don't think it's out of our control in the
sense that we have the ability to call these people out,
people like Sam Altman, Peter Teal jd Vance he's as
a protochet of a Peter tele uh, these other technocrats
uh in Washington, d C. David Sachs for instance, he's
a cryptozar and aisar operating without any authority right now
(41:09):
as far as I can see. But nevertheless he's still there.
People like uh, oh, shoot, Howard Littnik, for instance, the
Secretary of Commerce. These people need to be called out,
flat out, just say you're out of here, dude, you
don't belong here. This is not You have no right
(41:31):
to change the nature of our country. You can if
you're if you're a public servant, you could operate inside
of the container. But you're not operating that way. You're
operating from the outside. In to try to change the
nature of our country altogether. That's off limits. So these
(41:51):
people need to be called out. And I don't care
if it's Sam Altman or any anybody else. This is
where the pressure needs to be applied. Think not necessarily
criticizing the tools that they're using, the tools that they've
created with AI. That's part of it for sure, because
that it's it's like the atomic bomb, well they have
(42:14):
you can blow up a lot of people the atomic bomb,
but also produces energy as well with ractors. So you know,
you can't say, well, it's just it's not just the tool.
The way that people that people are using that tool
is flat out evil. That's where we get. We need
to go to the people at the top and say
you you need to stop this period. And if it
(42:37):
if it means dogging somebody, uh, you know, making protests,
Uh when when they speak places, whatever, go go for it.
They're the only ones that could change their behavior. We
can't change any any other ways. We can't change our behavior.
We're just out here trying to survive. But they they
(43:01):
won't change their behavior until we force them to do so.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, So so like what what what should be the
things that we demand, that we demand as as we
the people, right because because I think I think that
is it is it, you know, stop the development of
all of this, continue to the development, change your worldview,
change your perspective, change the application, Like what are the
kinds of things that we should be demanding of of
(43:26):
both our government and these big tech guys.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
The government unfortunately, they don't have a clue. I honestly,
I don't think the Congress, I don't know. I don't
know anybody in Congress put it this way that really
understands the mindset and nature of technocracy and technocrats. They
don't see it coming for them, so they they're basically
useless at this point. They they they couldn't write a
(43:51):
bill that would put these people in their place if
their life depended on it, they couldn't do it. Yep,
So there's nothing in government this point. The government actually
has turned against us. It's already been weaponized against us
in that sense. They can use the government at this
point to level the guns at us to keep us
(44:13):
shut up. Well, okay, forget forgetting the government. Where that
leaves us out here on the outside of that of
the government facing off with these technocrats. That's where the
battle is at this point. This is only this is
the only place left that we can influence is these
(44:34):
technocrats individually and severally. Maybe you know somebody who does
programming for one of these companies, and maybe they're just happy, happy,
GOALOI lucky people. They have a job. They're glad to
be programming that sort of stuff. You know, somebody like that.
Maybe it's one of your kids, you know that just
(44:55):
got got in the job. Okay, listen, you need to
tell them the fact the matter is, don't support this
beast because it's coming for you. Get out why you can't.
Don't do that anymore and shame these people into complicity.
Don't support these people who are trying to destroy the
human race. This is this is this isn't this kind
(45:19):
of what the problem in Nazi Germany was in the
first place. The people who went along with the program,
they at first they didn't think they were going to
destroy the human race, at least all the Jews. But
you know, they think, well, we just have to have
a job and we have to get along to go
along a sort of thing. But in the end of it,
(45:42):
all of those people at the below Hitler. Every one
of them had right thinking relatives, perhaps right thinking friends
along the way that should have challenged them, stop what
you're doing, don't support that idiot. Get away now while
you can, and so and save us all a lot
of trouble. We can apply this kind of pressure top
(46:06):
to bottom. Maybe we maybe you can't get to Sam
Autman himself, but you can get to his programmers for sure. Yep,
you know it's true.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
And and I think that I think a lot of
people they have they have this this warped view of like, oh,
they're so far away. And the thing the thing that
I've learned being in this world is like again I'm
I'm a little podcaster, show host, whatever it is. I'm like,
it's not that difficult to get close to a lot
of these kinds of people and start conversations and build
friendships and and you know, communicate and like like you
(46:39):
you can reach out and you can find ways of
access to be able to put like you said, those
those that pressure on people with conversations and stuff like that, like, like,
it's not that difficult. And that's the thing that I
that's the thing that I've learned over over the years
is this country is a lot smaller in the sense
of access than I think a lot of people realize exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I think you're right. There was a I'll tell you
a short story. There's an organization in Big sur California
called Aslon. Aslon originally was the organization that kind of
brought yoga into into America years and years ago. I
(47:20):
was talking to the seventies. I happened to be attending
a boy a boys school at that boarding school at
that point, and just up the coast in Monterey, and
we heard about Salon and they had these cabins as
kind of a cutest Jewish thing. They have these cabins
(47:43):
and people would go stay for a weekend or maybe
a week and they would get steeped in Eastern mysticism.
You know. They had a big hot tub, community hot tub.
All the people would jump in naked. Well, that got
all the boys were really excited. We want to see
that hot Tommy. It's crazy, crazy thinking. But hey, a
(48:05):
few years ago, Slon was put out of business because
there was a huge mud slide on Highway One. This
is a few years ago. You can look it up
in the news, but it just completely blocked the Highway one.
You couldn't get to Slon from the from the north,
and the drive from the south was like hours and
hours from La So basically it just choked them off
(48:28):
and they had to sell the property. And Eventuallyway Highway
one was opened. That that's the one that goes right
along the coast. It was finally opened and is restored
and people were going down to Big sur and everybody
was happy. At that point. Well, Selon was bought up
(48:49):
by two people from Silicon Valley who thought it would
be a good repurpose for Slon to set up a
center where tech uh tech bros if you will, could
go and clear their conscience. For maybe they were doing stuff.
You know, they weren't sleeping at night, they're getting under stress.
(49:13):
What they were doing was bothering them. So they set
up they repurposed the center to reach these tech group
gurus to assuage their conscience. You know, it's okay, you
know you're doing a great job for humanity and blah
blah blah, go go out, go back and do it,
(49:34):
do it with gusto. And so they they would get
this uh, this infusion, if you will, of New age
mysticism whatever nonsense basically, and then they would go back
into the workforce again again and they would all be
happy for a while. I guess that tells that That
(49:56):
told me that there was a market for people in
Silicon Valley who understood natively just all by themse intuitively,
they understood they're doing wrong things, bad things, and that
their conscience bothered him, bothered them. Interestingly, Esselon has been
(50:19):
booked solid ever since this they got reopened. This is
just a few years now, and every weekend there's a
waiting list. I don't know how long it is. It
was up to a year at one point. And this
thing that this place is books solid with people who
(50:41):
want to go there to get their heads straightened around
because their conscious is really bothering them a lot. That
tells me people care still amidst of that whole sewer system.
People care enough to recognize you, I have a problem.
That's not the solution. Obviously, they ought to go to
(51:03):
church for that's just be a that will settle a
problem really quick. But they have to get their job
up if they went to church pretty quickly, right. So,
But any case that you see the problem is all
the people that are working for these companies. I think
there's a I think there's a conscience attack going going
(51:28):
on all the all over the place, and what in
Silicon Valley and other tech centers around the world. You
have an opportunity to reach these people out there, get
them out, Get them out. Don't do that anymore. Go
find another job. Get get a job with a company,
just a regular company doing programming for them, not for
(51:49):
not for the beast system. If you will totally, Oh yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
So so then for the for the for the every day,
every day person. Would would you recommend, like do people
like check out of the AI system stop relying on
the technology, like like where do we go as just
the everyday people in responsibleness?
Speaker 2 (52:09):
If you can handle it, fine, If you can't, don't.
Some people should not be a country mile close to
AI at all. That they don't they don't use a
computer either, But some people just shouldn't be touching it
at all. I recognize that. If that's you, just don't
(52:29):
do it. If you can handle it, if you have
the sense that God gave you in the first place
to approach AI and get something of value out of it, fine,
But just remember it's gunning for you. If it can
get its claws into you and the wrong way, you
may be a risk for psychotic break at some point,
(52:52):
so be very very careful with it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (53:57):
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(03:38):
Kingston when she introduced me to you, she was like,
this is the godfather of exposing technocracy, and so it's
an honor to have you on. I'm glad we can
sit down here in chat for a bit me too.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
This is a great place to be for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, you know, and it's it's interesting because I think
that obviously everybody's talking about like AI and the technology
and all this kind of stuff that's happening, but it's
kind of a mixed bag about really, like whether people
are for it or against it, you know. I just
I just had a guy on my show the other
day who was kind of like basically saying like, oh,
(04:12):
there's nothing you can do about AI, we just need
to embrace it and figure out how to use it
and all this kind of stuff. And I'm just like,
you do realize that, like Elon quite literally said, it's
either going to be Terminator or the movie Wally, He's
basically the way that he described. I'm like, I kind
of don't want either one. So what's your assessment of
the trajectory that we're heading in right now when it
comes to all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You know, it's not about the technology. It's never been
about the technology per se. It's about the people at
the top of the pyramid at this point. They're misusing
the technology. They have no guard rails, they don't care
to have any guard rails. They're lobbying Washington DC to
take all regulation away from them. Don't even look at them.
(04:57):
They just want to move fast and break things. And
this is a bad attitude in my opinion all around.
And so it's not the technology per se that we're
concerned about. The people at the top of it. They're psychophants,
their psychopaths. Some of them are just flat out psychotic,
(05:17):
I think, and they just don't care about the human race,
so they do things that are clearly destructive to the
human race. And we see it every day, increasingly every day.
I had two articles just today on Technocracy News that
deal with the psychological impact of chat shept and other
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things like that, the companion apps. Millions of people are
getting into this, these companion apps where they're interacting with
the chat shept or another like a rock and they're
getting advice, personal advice to do things like, you know,
kill themselves. Just no problem. You know, this is absolutely insane.
(06:09):
But again, it's not the technology, it's the people running it.
These are the people that we need to get rid
of at this point. And to a man, they should
all be bad for the industry.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, well, you know, And the thing is, so, you know,
and I would I would agree with you because like,
when you look at the people that are behind a
lot of this technology, you look at their worldview. And
I just had Alex Newman on my show yesterday and
he and he made the point that he's like none
of them are God fearing people, Like they're all atheists,
they're all anti God, they're all completely opposed. Again, the
main people that are behind a lot of this kind
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of stuff. And then you even look at, you know,
somebody like Elon Work where quite literally he's developing technology.
To me, he almost feels like he has a little
bit of a Jesus complex, like he thinks that he's God. Like,
he's developing technology to make the paralyzed walk, the blind
to see. He's gonna quote unquote raps up a certain
segment of the population and take them to outer space.
And you're just sitting here and you're like, Okay, he
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doesn't believe in God, he doesn't believe in Christian worldview,
and he's developing this technology that will centralize the power
among himself and a handful of the elites. And I
think that that, you know, when you're talking about the
people that are behind it, it seems like all this
technology is doing is centralizing the power, and it's going
to be taking away all of our inalienable rights. It's
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going to be taken away all of our freedoms in
our individual sovereignty. And I don't see any way around
it if we keep going down this trajectory.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think you're right. The worldview you talk about, a
biblical worldview, a Christian worldview, whatever. There's different ways to
look at what your worldview is. But the technic crat
worldview is a horse of another collar. You can't get
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a handle on it until you jump into the brain.
That's a dangerous thing to do. I've done it, and
trying to figure out what are these what are these
people thinking? But let me let me tell you in
a nutshell, these people the technocrat mindset is mechanistic and
it's and it's outlook. In other words, everything is just
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a mechanical thing to be discovered and whatever, whatever it
is in science, genetic stuff, whatever, whatever you can get
a handle on in nature, anything in nature, anything in
the human body, whatever, drilling for them to drill into
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these areas to try to understand how things work without
a soul. They have no concept of soul spirit, and
you know that's that's totally foreign to these people. But
the mechanistic mindset says, basically, you're just a collection of
random atoms building molecules, building your body, and you're just
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there for no particular reason, and therefore that gives them
the ability or the right to determine your future. Because
they look at people just like the cattle and the
feed lot there's no different to them. Well, it's just
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a herd to be managed. They're not real in the
sense that they have a conscience, they have a real
soul sort of thing. Oh, they're just cattle. We can
do whatever we want to do with cattle. We saw
this during COVID. That was exactly a perfect example of
the mechanistic mindset. How could one group of people cause
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basically the whole human race, seventy two percent at least
of the human race, to get one or more experimental
shots that did damage to their body. That's insane, But
not to these people. They had no problem with that,
and they still don't have a problem with it today.
So the mechanistic worldview is really really ugly as far
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as we're concerned. It's doing harm to the human race
everywhere it goes, and it won't stop until that worldview
is confronted. This is what that's part partly what we do.
What we do to confront that worldview. Say, guys, you're
off base here. You need to stop it. You need
to consider maybe you don't know everything, and you need
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to consider what are people, what people are doing out
in where people live in a country. You need to
understand there's more people on this planet other than just you.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, well and I and I think it's it's very
easy for a lot of these guys, and especially as.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
We've turned into a much more global.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Society, and you know, even even nationwide, it's like it's
like because of social media and technology in the news,
it's like we're connected with people all around the country
to where you have these guys and they see every
everybody as a group, right, you know, you're just a
group of people. And then you know they're talking about
like you mentioned, like the COVID shots. Okay, they're talking
about like public health, which is basically they're just running statistics.
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They're they're running that. They're not looking at it from
an individualistic standpoint. They're looking at it as okay, what's
what does the herd look like? Oh, we'll only lose
five percent or ten percent or whatever it is that
we're saving ninety percent, so we're fine. Whereas the Founding Fathers,
it's like they had a much more biblical worldview in
the sense that they were looking at the individual rights.
They weren't looking at our collective rights. They weren't looking
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at us as a group. It was you, as an
individual are created in the image of God, and thus
you have certain inaiable rights that cannot be taken on
by the government. And you have value as an individual
because you're created in the image of God. And that's
something that these guys don't have. And I think that
that's probably why they're able to do all of this
kind of stuff and feel no guilt, no shame, no
anything is because they deny the rights giver in his very.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Existence exactly exactly. So, you know, we dance with the
concept of scientism. In the last century it was slice
and diced all over the place. Many people like C. S. Lewis,
for instance, he wrote a lot about scientism and the
scientism is the worship of science, for one thing, and
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it posits that there is no God for sure, and
so it's it's a free for all to dig into nature,
into science whatever, to drill into things and what what
people like C. S. Lewis concluded a by the way, F. A.
Hyatt was another guy wrote about scientism very critically. He said, uh. C. S.
(12:45):
Lewis said in his short book The Abolition of Man, basically,
I'll paraphrase, when when man seeks to discover nature in detail.
The more he discovers, the more nature captures him, rather
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than him him capturing nature. He thinks he's going to
he's he thinks he's going to capture nature, but nature
then in the end results in capturing him. And that's
the concept of the abolition of man and the end
of it, the the and the discoverers, if you will,
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are all destroyed because their humanity has been removed. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, Now, now do you think and what what what's
your opinion on the idea that of the of there
being a spiritual or demonic component behind a lot of this,
you know, development of technology and a lot of these
guys that are behind the technology.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Because it was.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Interesting because I had I had somebody from a mainstream
news outlet and she was a reporter and she and
she reached out to me to ask me that very
question because she's seeing from you know, a lot of
the guys in Silicon Valley. She's seeing a lot more
people talking about the demon and and this spiritual component
behind things like artificial intelligence and you know, quantum computing
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and all that kind of stuff. What's what's your take
on that? With you know, all of your extensive research
on this.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You know, I own I have a car, Yeah, and
I like it. I like the car. It takes me
from point to point A to B. Is my car
capable of being demon possessed? I don't think so. I
don't think so. Honestly, just a car, just a car. Whatever.
(14:33):
If if I was demon possessed and I wanted to
kill somebody with my car, I could do that easily, right,
just drive it into a crowd or something. But by itself,
inanimate objects aren't subject to demon possession, right, Okay, So
in that sense, the machine, the AI machine, the computers
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that run it, and all that sort of stuff, they're
no more demon possessed in my car. However, the use
of that technology in the hands of people who are
clearly influenced by demonic forces, they're going to exhibit outcomes
that reflect their nature. That makes sense to me, perfect sense. Yeah,
(15:21):
So you know, I don't. I don't. I know, some people,
even Elon Musk, I mean, he said something recently like
he's summoning the demons or something, you know, with AI. Well,
no you're not. That's not the way it works, Elon.
You You're being influenced by demons perhaps and you're maybe
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you're listening too closely whatever they're telling you to do.
But you're going to turn around then and you're going
to that that will be uh put into your creations
if you will, not the not the physical side of it,
but the application of it. For instance, I talked about
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suicide where a young person recently was he killed himself
because chat Chept convinced him, don't talk to your parents
about this, you know, you just leave it alone. We'll
talk about it, we're work it out. And the kid
ended up hanging himself in his room with the rope
that chat ChiPT said he should hide that from his
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parents until he hung himself. Okay, what happened there, Well,
the machine itself didn't cause him to do anything, but
the machine was expressing words, in other words, the output
that came out of its mouth. It doesn't have a mouth,
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but okay, it's talk to the kid, and the kid
saw that as just being person. He didn't could couldn't
tell at that point that his AI was sentient or not.
He probably was thinking, well, it really understands me now,
and it's talking to me as if it was a
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real person. But it wasn't. He was deceived. That was
total deception. So where where does the demonic influence reside? Here?
It resides in the behavioral output of AI. Yeah, that's
the rub. These people at the top, they could stop
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that behavior anytime they choose to. There's no way they
can hide. Oh, we just we didn't know what we're doing.
You know, we thought we're doing good. We're putting safety
where you know, we've got people suicide counselors come in.
Give me a break. If Sam Autman wanted to stop
that behavior, he wouldn't. For instance, he wouldn't have just
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unleashed a new flavor of chat box for mostly adults
now that are going to be sex spots yep uh
to uh lure adult men into a relationship with chat gpt,
to stroke their their sexual urges, if you will, and
(18:18):
get them separated from their wife and their their loved
ones and whatever. He could stop that anytime he wanted to.
But he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
And so again, where is a demonic flu uh uh
influence coming from people like Sam Altman at the top
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of the pyramid. They're they they're the only ones who
could stop it. If they if they tried, I think
they would be very successful, very quickly.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, well, you know, because and I think it This
is again one of some of the concerns is that
I think a lot of these guys, they do have
so much control and so much power obviously over this technology.
I think a lot of them try to feign innocence
of like, oh, no, we didn't know that this was
going to happen, and then we're shocked in surprise and
blah blah blah blah when a reality and I think
we've seen this a variety of times where you had
one programmer will make some kind of tweak to the
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database or the algorithm or something along those lines, and
then the AI goes rogue and starts talking on crazy talk.
It's like that took one small line of code and
you you know, all of a sudden, Grock is promoting
Hitler like like they have power, they have control. But
this is also some of the concern of when we're
talking about these same companies open Ai, Xai. All these
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companies are contracting now with the federal government and the
Trump administration on integrating this technology into the federal government.
And I'm just sitting here and I'm like, is this
really the direction we should go when we're basically now
what we're eliminating the human contact within the government, and
that we're placing with technology that we all know is biased,
it's controlled by these you know, companies. Is this the
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route that we should be going right now?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah? Not at all. Yeah, this is this is a
subject of my book that's just going to come out
probably next week, maybe the week after, called The Final Betrayal.
And this is very disturbing. But when you consider everything
that happened this year in Washington, d c vsa V,
these technocrats basically taken over the whole mechanism. At this
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point in Washington, AI is everywhere now, it's infiltrated every agency,
it's in some cases it's going to be replacing whole departments.
And this is not what we want at all. Now,
having said that, there are probably some uses for AI.
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The probably could benefit somebody in their job. Maybe they
do research or something and they just need the facts
of something. Maybe there's some good applications for AI even
in government. But the intent, the intent that these the
evil people at the top have is not to benefit
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the workers at all. Is to gain control over the
whole system, to make to change the whole course of
government and how governance is operated in the first place.
This is going to be the darkest period of life
in America that we've ever experienced, even worse than the
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Great Depression. I do believe.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, no, I no, I agree. And and it's interesting
too because because what's being sold to us in the
pitch to the American people on the on the implication
and the integration of this into the government is that
is this is there kind of selling this caricature of
what artificial intelligence could be. Oh, this neutral arbiter of truth,
and you take out the human element which is full
of errors, and we can replace it with this perfection whatever.
(21:47):
But then you sit there and you look at again,
how you know, inept A lot of a lot of
the technology is but then also a lot of the control,
like like you said that Sam Oltman and all these
guys have And I think a perfect example is uh,
you know, there's there's a guy Ted Rall who's a
leftist columnist and cartoonist that he's on bick Ax. I've
had him on the show. He's completely deleted from Open
(22:08):
AI chat GPT, So if you go to type in
his name in chat GPT, it'll say that it won't
even give you a reply. It'll say that this is
a violation of our terms of service to even entertain
the question. But open AI, using the same large language model,
is contracted with the federal government, so theoretically ted rawl
is deleted from that database. Could that have implications to
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the rest of us? And how much power these companies have?
Do we talk about cancel culture, we talk about power
and censorship. Think about like the kind of power that
these companies can have if it's fully implicated or fully
integrated into the government.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You're right, You're right. I believe that the greatest attack
on free speech is coming. We didn't see anything during COVID.
I complained all the way. I don't know. I think
I told you once upon a time that I found
uh citizens for free speech in twenty eighteen, just before COVID,
(23:05):
And when COVID hit, our our membership just exploded all
over the place. Is since died down, and people aren't
so concerned today about free speech like they were back then.
But I can guarantee you you haven't seen anything yet.
It's going to be it's going to be more fierce
and more ugly now that AI is on the scene
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and force, and these people will not tolerate any outliers
in the end of it. And if you're if you're
on one of those people talking out from the outside end,
you're going to be completely excluded for the conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Well, and I think that to me, the main thing
that they were looking at when it came to the
censorship in COVID was using private companies in order in
order to deal with the deal with the censorship.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And that's why you.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Saw the pressure on you know, Twitter and Facebook and
all that. But you know, I'm hearing and I'm listening
to like guys like Sam Altman, and I think even
Elon and Bill Gates have talked about this too. But
you know, basically, you know how AI and robots are
going to replace, you know, humans in the workforce, right,
and so Bernie Sanders came out with a report saying
that AI is going to take away one hundred million
(24:14):
jobs over the next decade. I think Elon and Bill
Gates are saying that there's mean no more need for
humans in the workforce because AI and robots and optimists
will do everything for us, right, But what they're what
they're then pitching is don't well do universal basic income,
not from the government but from the private companies. So
like open ai. Open ai will pay a quote unquote
dividend to you because they eliminated your job, and so
(24:36):
you're going to earn some of the profits, you know,
because they took away took away your job. Well, think
about the kind of power and control that these companies
will have if you know, you have a private entity
that's saying, well, here's your livelihood, here's your money for rent,
here's your money for food, here's all of this. Oh,
but we don't like what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
We don't agree with how you're spending your money, so
we're going to cut you off. They have the authority
to do it because they're a private entity, whereas maybe
the federal government theoretic wouldn't have that same kind of
power and constitutional authority.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
To do this.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Is this is where I think that you know, these
private companies and AI companies will actually have more power
than the federal government if all of this stuff is
implemented as they're predicting.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think they already have more power today than we realize.
The federal government even as we speak, is being dismantled
by this technocratic class. You see regulations, what the regulations
that are being stripped away from all the technology companies,
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giving them more autonomy to operate without any federal federal oversight.
You see the divide and conquer of phenomena going on
in Congress, for instance, where they're talking about nonsensical issues
that had nothing to do with protecting the country for
(25:56):
the from these technocrats, the the major companies, especially so
Chip Chip Chip away from the chipping away power from
the government, handing it over to the private companies. At
this point, where will that end? Well, let me just
(26:18):
let me explain to you nineteen thirty two when technocracy
was first started and at the heat of the depression
at Columbia University, no less right, these are the top
scientists and engineers at that time, and they wanted they
(26:39):
created a technocracy as an alternative economic system to capitalism. Okay,
this is what they said. I'll have to read you
the whole definition here. I'll get to the point. Technocracy
is the science of social engineering. This one the scientific
operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute
(27:00):
goods and services to the entire population for the first
time in human history. It'll be done as a scientific
technical engineering problem. There's the science on display. Okay, now
it goes on. This is their definition, by the way,
from the Techtracraft magazine. This is direct quote. There will
be no place for politics, politicians, finance or financeers. They
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wanted to do a way with all politicians at that point.
They asked, they appealed to FDR. He was elected in
thirty two, seated in thirty three. Right, They appealed to
him to declare himself dictator and dismiss Congress altogether, so
that FDR could just appoint technocrats top to bottom to
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run the whole country without any political discourse at all.
Their mechanistic mindset was, hey, we have the science. What's
the discuss. You don't need to add another discussion. This
is it, man. We will tell you the output of
the science. You do it, and that's end of the story.
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So they didn't want any politicians in the system. I'll
tell you what. This attitude has not changed a whip.
It hasn't. You can see the disdain these technocrats have
for our elected elected class, all congressmen, all senators, other
(28:34):
people and government as well. You can see the hatred
they have simmering below the surface. And unfortunately the public
is buying into this as well, because well, in nineteen
thirty two, everybody blamed the politicians, you know, that was
(28:55):
the thing. Everybody was angry the politicians for coving causing
the depression in the first place. Just like today, people
are angry with the politicians. They're making they're making the
technocraft's job easy easier. To get rid of the politicians. Well,
we can't fire them outright, but we can sure reduce
(29:18):
the power they have to do anything meaningful to protect
the people of the country. Yep.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Which which is which when you think about it like that,
like like like you said, this is kind of what
bureaucracy is in Washington, d C. Is that is this
you know, this you know state of all these entities
and the and when you listen to a lot of
the a lot of these you know, big name politicians
and the mainstream media and they're talking they're talking about
you know, things like norms and how things work in
(29:45):
d C and the system and and you and you
start looking at the way things are. It's like, okay,
so we have elections, we elect a new president, but
then for for whatever reason, even though we all voted
for the guy for a particular reason, it's it's it's
it's the way it's pitched. Every is like, well, you
can't break apart the system that's in Washington, d C.
You can't deal with this with HHS, you can't do
this with the CIA, you can't do this with all
(30:06):
these different departments, because they're intrinsic, they're the career bureaucrats,
and that they continue doesn't matter who the who the
politicians are, doesn't matter who we elect. And then and
then they will fight us to the death, you know,
if we try to actually change the system. And I
think that, you know, they've they've implemented this system to where,
you know, the elections kind of to a certain degree,
(30:27):
don't really matter. You have two sides of the same coin.
They kind of fight with each other political theater, but
in all reality, the bureaucracies, the agencies, they're just continuing
on business as usual, doesn't matter what's going on in
Congress or senator, the White House.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Exactly. And now we know all of these agencies, by
the way, they have been infiltrated at the top by
technocrats thanks to dodge programs like that. They've swarmed Washington
d C and they've basically taken over the data operations
of every agency in Washington, d C. To free up
(31:05):
the data in the to put it into the cloud
in the first place. But then Pallenteer now is swooped,
is swooped in to take to take an umbrella control
of all that data in Washington d C. Just think
of the possibilities. Don't think about it, don't think about
it at all. But oh my gosh, if you if
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you were a maniac and you wanted to use a
system like that against a group of people, do you
think you could do it? You could? You just could
you hammer them to the death?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah? This is this is the evil intent that had
nothing to do with the operation of Washington d C
per se. But if they can get their hands on
all this data and turn it around to weaponize it
against the whole system, we're a big we're all in
big trouble. That point that that will be the day
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that we get literally sucked into the digital gulag.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, well, well like and like we were talking about too,
it's like it's centralizing the data, which is centralized in
the power, whereas you know, the safer like we want.
If we want safety and we want freedom, the best
thing that we can do, the best thing that we
can do is decentralized, which is kind of again the
way the Founding Fathers originally intended it, where the country
was decentralized, each state, you know, self governed. The most
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powerful was was the was the most local. The least
powerful was the central government in Washington, d C. But
what they're doing is they're centralizing all the data in
the one and the one spot. And the thing that
the thing that I keep cautioning all the all the
all the all of my MAGA friends and people that
are like, you know Trump can do no wrong, is
I'm like, you realize what he's doing. What's happening here
is you You could make the argument and I won't
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even argue with it, that Trump won't weaponize it against US.
RFK Junior won't weaponize And I supported RFK Junior, I
endorsed him when he ran for president. But that was
why that was my one concern when he ran was
how much was pushing on the centralization of data within
HHS and in the use of artificial intelligence within the
federal government. But when you think about the implications of this,
let's just say RFK Junior uses it perfectly within HHS.
(33:11):
Let's say that Trump uses it perfectly within all the
agencies while he's president. What happens when Gavin Newsom wins
in twenty twenty eight. Now you have all this data centralized,
you have the AI that's fully implemented in all these agencies,
and you know, now, all of a sudden, Gavin Newsom,
with the stroke of a pen or just an email
or a quick message to somebody, could say, hey, we
need to manipulate this or change this or do this
(33:33):
or whatever it is. And now we've just handed the
keys over to complete power and centralization of power to
a maniac like Gavin Newsom. Think about how crazy that
is and who set it up. It's the Trump administration,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, And it's interesting. These technocrafts have been operating, at
least in the last fifty years in the United States.
They've always been under the like a new clear submarine.
They've operated under the water, but they've built. They've been
very careful to build the infrastructure to get ready for
this day today, and all of a sudden, they've all
(34:12):
surfaced at the same time during the Trump administration. Going
back in history, now you have the Biden administration, you
had Obama, you had George Bush, then you had the Clintons,
Then you had George Senior for a time, then you
had Ronald Reagan, going back then to Jimmy Carter. All
(34:33):
these presidents didn't matter if they're a liberal, conservative or
anything in between. They could have been Marxists for that match.
It didn't matter to the technocrats who were operating under
the cover there. In other words, they're not political at all.
They're apolitical. They take anybody in power, consume him, consume them,
(34:55):
and their business is usual for them for the technocrats. Ye,
So at this point in the most headway they've made
over the time has been in a Republican administration, like,
for instance, the Bush administration. So at this point this
(35:20):
appears this could be the last Republican led administration. Not
less like we're going to have more elections going forward
from here, but this could be the last administration where
technocracy takes over all together all together, and we'll do
(35:42):
away with the politicians in the end. And I have
to stress this. They wanted to get rid of all
the politicians in the first place in nineteen thirty two.
This has been going on for one hundred years now almost,
and these people are they still have this in their
mind as a class of people. The technocrats have this
(36:03):
in mind to get rid of all the politicians. In
the end. At some point they're going to have to
dismiss congress. Maybe maybe it's going to take a king,
maybe it's going to take a monarch. By the way,
that's this is one of the philosophies that came in
with this dark Enlightenment nonsense that Elon Musk, Peter Teal,
all these people brought in. They wanted to they wanted
(36:25):
to replace the president with a monarch. That that basically means, well, congress,
how a they going to fit into that? Well, there's
no congress. There may be a parliament, but not the
way they have it now. So that you know, they
talk about this this new political philosophy altogether, this this
antithetic to anything we've had in history in our country.
(36:50):
The constitution that's not even in view when people say, oh,
we have to have a monarch now, like the king
of England. Maybe what are you talking about? Just crazy,
crazy talk. But now the technocrats in Washington, d C.
This is exactly what they're pursuing. They want to get
(37:10):
rid of all the politicians. And if they if they
could just get a king, an autocrat, a CEO in place,
just who lay down the law, say this is the
way that we're going to do things for now on.
And you like like it or lump it. Yeah, this
is not where we want to go in America. No,
(37:31):
not at all, not at all.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And and and like into kind of piggyback off of
what you're saying is, you know, Sam Altman has been
talking about this idea that we need a new social
contract because because in this new era of artificial intelligence,
that it that the constitution is not conducive to where
AI is taking us, and so that we're going to
have to basically have a new constitution for basically artificial intelligence.
(37:55):
And he's just coming out and saying that in interviews,
like he's not covering it up, hiding it whatever it is,
because he sees, no, this is this is a violation
of a variety of constitutional protections that we have as individuals.
You know, everything from privacy rights to free speech to
you know, fill in the blank. There's so many different
issues here and and you know, and I think that
that's the problem is that these guys once they once
(38:17):
they reach a certain point of power or influence or
money or fill in the blank, that all of a sudden,
they think that they can do everything better than all
of us. And and again, our founders were very individualistic.
That was the whole idea. That was the whole idea
of this American experiment was having a country that was
about the individual. That you know, the federal government's job
is to protect the individual's rights, not necessarily the collective.
(38:41):
Obviously national security like certain things like that, you know,
self defense all that, but everything enshrined into the constitution
was about the individual. And you know, but when you're
looking at the government today, you're looking at these you know,
big tech oligarchs basically in Silicon Valley, they're not looking
at the individual at all. They're looking at the collective
and looking for themselves, and they're looking at you know,
(39:02):
statistics and data and numbers and all of that's that's
antithetical to everything that our founding fathers established this country
to be exackling.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
This is why I titled my book The Final Betrayal,
because we've been betrayed big time. Nobody saw this coming.
Nobody saw this in November of twenty twenty four. Nobody,
but nobody saw what was coming in the Trump administration.
(39:33):
And for some reason, they've gotten a free pass to
do whatever they want to do. But that's not what
we voted for in the first place. We voted to
make America great again, to just you know, get the
government off our backs, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
but what's happened is a polar opposite of that. That's betrayal. Yeah,
(40:01):
flat out, that's total betrayal. It's treacherous. It's treasonous, flat out,
flat out ugly.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, well so so so then so then so then
what do we do? Because this is the pushback that
I get all the time because I'm constantly railing on
AI and transhumanism and all this kind of stuff, and
everybody's like, Jeff, why why keep railing on it. It's
not it's not like we can do anything. We can't
stop AI. We can't stop you know, all, you know,
this trajectory from happening. It's like, you know, you know,
what are we gonna do. We're gonna stop Sam Altman,
(40:31):
We're gonna stop Trump. Like, so, what what do we
do in light of coming to this understanding of how
bad this is? Like is it or is it just
completely out of our control?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I don't think it's out of our control in the
sense that we have the ability to call these people out,
people like Sam Altman, Peter Teal jd Vance he's as
a protochet of a Peter tele uh, these other technocrats
uh in Washington, d C. David Sachs for instance, he's
a cryptozar and aisar operating without any authority right now
(41:09):
as far as I can see. But nevertheless he's still there.
People like uh, oh, shoot, Howard Littnik, for instance, the
Secretary of Commerce. These people need to be called out,
flat out, just say you're out of here, dude, you
don't belong here. This is not You have no right
(41:31):
to change the nature of our country. You can if
you're if you're a public servant, you could operate inside
of the container. But you're not operating that way. You're
operating from the outside. In to try to change the
nature of our country altogether. That's off limits. So these
(41:51):
people need to be called out. And I don't care
if it's Sam Altman or any anybody else. This is
where the pressure needs to be applied. Think not necessarily
criticizing the tools that they're using, the tools that they've
created with AI. That's part of it for sure, because
that it's it's like the atomic bomb, well they have
(42:14):
you can blow up a lot of people the atomic bomb,
but also produces energy as well with ractors. So you know,
you can't say, well, it's just it's not just the tool.
The way that people that people are using that tool
is flat out evil. That's where we get. We need
to go to the people at the top and say
you you need to stop this period. And if it
(42:37):
if it means dogging somebody, uh, you know, making protests,
Uh when when they speak places, whatever, go go for it.
They're the only ones that could change their behavior. We
can't change any any other ways. We can't change our behavior.
We're just out here trying to survive. But they they
(43:01):
won't change their behavior until we force them to do so.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, So so like what what what should be the
things that we demand, that we demand as as we
the people, right because because I think I think that
is it is it, you know, stop the development of
all of this, continue to the development, change your worldview,
change your perspective, change the application, Like what are the
kinds of things that we should be demanding of of
(43:26):
both our government and these big tech guys.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
The government unfortunately, they don't have a clue. I honestly,
I don't think the Congress, I don't know. I don't
know anybody in Congress put it this way that really
understands the mindset and nature of technocracy and technocrats. They
don't see it coming for them, so they they're basically
useless at this point. They they they couldn't write a
(43:51):
bill that would put these people in their place if
their life depended on it, they couldn't do it. Yep,
So there's nothing in government this point. The government actually
has turned against us. It's already been weaponized against us
in that sense. They can use the government at this
point to level the guns at us to keep us
(44:13):
shut up. Well, okay, forget forgetting the government. Where that
leaves us out here on the outside of that of
the government facing off with these technocrats. That's where the
battle is at this point. This is only this is
the only place left that we can influence is these
(44:34):
technocrats individually and severally. Maybe you know somebody who does
programming for one of these companies, and maybe they're just happy, happy,
GOALOI lucky people. They have a job. They're glad to
be programming that sort of stuff. You know, somebody like that.
Maybe it's one of your kids, you know that just
(44:55):
got got in the job. Okay, listen, you need to
tell them the fact the matter is, don't support this
beast because it's coming for you. Get out why you can't.
Don't do that anymore and shame these people into complicity.
Don't support these people who are trying to destroy the
human race. This is this is this isn't this kind
(45:19):
of what the problem in Nazi Germany was in the
first place. The people who went along with the program,
they at first they didn't think they were going to
destroy the human race, at least all the Jews. But
you know, they think, well, we just have to have
a job and we have to get along to go
along a sort of thing. But in the end of it,
(45:42):
all of those people at the below Hitler. Every one
of them had right thinking relatives, perhaps right thinking friends
along the way that should have challenged them, stop what
you're doing, don't support that idiot. Get away now while
you can, and so and save us all a lot
of trouble. We can apply this kind of pressure top
(46:06):
to bottom. Maybe we maybe you can't get to Sam
Autman himself, but you can get to his programmers for sure. Yep,
you know it's true.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
And and I think that I think a lot of
people they have they have this this warped view of like, oh,
they're so far away. And the thing the thing that
I've learned being in this world is like again I'm
I'm a little podcaster, show host, whatever it is. I'm like,
it's not that difficult to get close to a lot
of these kinds of people and start conversations and build
friendships and and you know, communicate and like like you
(46:39):
you can reach out and you can find ways of
access to be able to put like you said, those
those that pressure on people with conversations and stuff like that, like, like,
it's not that difficult. And that's the thing that I
that's the thing that I've learned over over the years
is this country is a lot smaller in the sense
of access than I think a lot of people realize exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I think you're right. There was a I'll tell you
a short story. There's an organization in Big sur California
called Aslon. Aslon originally was the organization that kind of
brought yoga into into America years and years ago. I
(47:20):
was talking to the seventies. I happened to be attending
a boy a boys school at that boarding school at
that point, and just up the coast in Monterey, and
we heard about Salon and they had these cabins as
kind of a cutest Jewish thing. They have these cabins
(47:43):
and people would go stay for a weekend or maybe
a week and they would get steeped in Eastern mysticism.
You know. They had a big hot tub, community hot tub.
All the people would jump in naked. Well, that got
all the boys were really excited. We want to see
that hot Tommy. It's crazy, crazy thinking. But hey, a
(48:05):
few years ago, Slon was put out of business because
there was a huge mud slide on Highway One. This
is a few years ago. You can look it up
in the news, but it just completely blocked the Highway one.
You couldn't get to Slon from the from the north,
and the drive from the south was like hours and
hours from La So basically it just choked them off
(48:28):
and they had to sell the property. And Eventuallyway Highway
one was opened. That that's the one that goes right
along the coast. It was finally opened and is restored
and people were going down to Big sur and everybody
was happy. At that point. Well, Selon was bought up
(48:49):
by two people from Silicon Valley who thought it would
be a good repurpose for Slon to set up a
center where tech uh tech bros if you will, could
go and clear their conscience. For maybe they were doing stuff.
You know, they weren't sleeping at night, they're getting under stress.
(49:13):
What they were doing was bothering them. So they set
up they repurposed the center to reach these tech group
gurus to assuage their conscience. You know, it's okay, you
know you're doing a great job for humanity and blah
blah blah, go go out, go back and do it,
(49:34):
do it with gusto. And so they they would get
this uh, this infusion, if you will, of New age
mysticism whatever nonsense basically, and then they would go back
into the workforce again again and they would all be
happy for a while. I guess that tells that That
(49:56):
told me that there was a market for people in
Silicon Valley who understood natively just all by themse intuitively,
they understood they're doing wrong things, bad things, and that
their conscience bothered him, bothered them. Interestingly, Esselon has been
(50:19):
booked solid ever since this they got reopened. This is
just a few years now, and every weekend there's a
waiting list. I don't know how long it is. It
was up to a year at one point. And this
thing that this place is books solid with people who
(50:41):
want to go there to get their heads straightened around
because their conscious is really bothering them a lot. That
tells me people care still amidst of that whole sewer system.
People care enough to recognize you, I have a problem.
That's not the solution. Obviously, they ought to go to
(51:03):
church for that's just be a that will settle a
problem really quick. But they have to get their job
up if they went to church pretty quickly, right. So,
But any case that you see the problem is all
the people that are working for these companies. I think
there's a I think there's a conscience attack going going
(51:28):
on all the all over the place, and what in
Silicon Valley and other tech centers around the world. You
have an opportunity to reach these people out there, get
them out, Get them out. Don't do that anymore. Go
find another job. Get get a job with a company,
just a regular company doing programming for them, not for
(51:49):
not for the beast system. If you will totally, Oh yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
So so then for the for the for the every day,
every day person. Would would you recommend, like do people
like check out of the AI system stop relying on
the technology, like like where do we go as just
the everyday people in responsibleness?
Speaker 2 (52:09):
If you can handle it, fine, If you can't, don't.
Some people should not be a country mile close to
AI at all. That they don't they don't use a
computer either, But some people just shouldn't be touching it
at all. I recognize that. If that's you, just don't
(52:29):
do it. If you can handle it, if you have
the sense that God gave you in the first place
to approach AI and get something of value out of it, fine,
But just remember it's gunning for you. If it can
get its claws into you and the wrong way, you
may be a risk for psychotic break at some point,
(52:52):
so be very very careful with it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:55):
No, definitely. Now, if people want, you know, to get
your books, get in touch with you, check out your
show all that kind of stuff. Tell everybody how they
can do.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
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for all my books as well as audiobooks if you
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(53:24):
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Speaker 4 (53:43):
Okay, that's awesome, So guys definitely definitely check that out.
I'll have the link in the show notes that we
guys can just click on that. You guys, go over
there and check check it out. But Patrick, it was
an honor to have you on. It was a blast
talking to you, and I really enjoyed the conversation. We'll
definitely have to do it again because there's so many different,
different different angles we could have taken.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
With this thing. You bet I hear it, I hear you.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, definitely, no, I thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I appreciate it.
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