June 19, 2025 • 58 mins
In this powerful episode, Jimmy sits down with former NFL linebacker and BYU standout Sae Tautu for one of the most vulnerable and insightful conversations we’ve had on the show. From playing in front of 65,000 fans to waking up to the realities of life after football, Sae opens up about the emotional toll of losing his lifelong dream, the struggle with identity, and how he rediscovered purpose through faith, family, and leadership.
The two dive deep into topics like navigating depression, masculinity, marriage, grief, and the power of accountability. Sae shares how losing close family members, facing financial hardship, and being a young father forced him to grow in ways he never expected. This isn’t just a story about football — it’s about the kind of transformation that happens when life forces you to level up.
If you’re a man navigating tough transitions, searching for meaning, or looking for inspiration to own your truth, this episode will hit home.
The two dive deep into topics like navigating depression, masculinity, marriage, grief, and the power of accountability. Sae shares how losing close family members, facing financial hardship, and being a young father forced him to grow in ways he never expected. This isn’t just a story about football — it’s about the kind of transformation that happens when life forces you to level up.
If you’re a man navigating tough transitions, searching for meaning, or looking for inspiration to own your truth, this episode will hit home.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Jimmy Rex Show.
And today on the podcast, I sit down with a
good buddy of mine, mister Sai Tautu. Did I say
it right close enough? I know I'm trying to look
at it like that. But the thing I love about
Sai man I met this guy through the coaching program
We're the day that obviously I'm running in. You meet
people that are just natural leaders, and this is a
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guy that that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And he's former football player, played with the Saints, played
at BYU.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We'll get into his journey a little bit with all
of that, but above everything else, is just one of
those dudes you're just like, you know, when you meet somebody,
You're like, this is just just a dude.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I want to hang out with the dude I want
to be friends with, and that is who say is
and so super excited to sit down.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
With him today and jam and let's get to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, dude, sy good to be here. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, thanks for having me on. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, dude, you know it's fun. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I when you played at BYU, it was this weird
time frame war.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I just wasn't quite as engaged.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I had just been super engaged, and so it's like
I have these memories of you playing and everything, but
it's not like I don't have like that one moment.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Where I remember, you know, we weren't.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We didn't really get to know each other very well
minus I guess your recruiting trip a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, man, I mean we've talked a little bit. I
knew who you were.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Because, yeah, you were friends with a lot of the
guys on our team that I looked up to, but
definitely missed each other, probably missed a lot of good times.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I know, dude. In hindsight, I think we missed an
opportunity there.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's all good, though we were supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We were supposed to be adult friends, you know. Oh,
I mean I was an adult that, but a different
kind of adult. I'd love to get into your story.
You have a pretty cool story about like just playing football.
And I think one of the hardest things I've noticed
with a lot of my buddies that play at a
high level play football.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I mean, dude, I mean you're picturing, you know, you're playing.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Football in front of sixty five, sometimes more thousand people.
It's probably pretty tough to find what is going to
get your soul moving after having experiences like that, after
being around the elite performers and athletes that you are
at those levels. And I can imagine I know in
your case, it really sets you back. But maybe just
(02:37):
start there, men, just dive in.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean, football is It's weird, dude, because when
you get into it, like if you want to play
at a high level, you have to put all your
eggs in that basket. Like you got to give it
your all. There's not really a backup plan. Everybody says
to have one, but the guys that do it, they know,
like there's not a backup plan. But what I've kind
of learned is it gave me a purpose and it
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was a passion that like, you know, it drove me.
It was something I loved and you know, I borderline
obsessed over it for twenty something years. So yeah, when
that comes crashed into an end, like you don't just
like lose the game, you like, it's like your whole
identity is tied to it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Like in my professional life, I've worked a lot with
surgeons and doctors, and it's a similar thing where you
see these guys at the end of their career, like
retirement's really hard for them because they're known as a surgeon.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
It's the same thing as a football player, like you're
known as an athlete. So when that comes to an end,
it's never on your timeline unless you're like Tom Brady
or something you know, and.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You get to walk off on top.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But the vast majority of us like it's an injury,
it's being cut. It's did you just catch you off guard?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And no, yes, because I got injured. My story is
I saw with the Saints as a free agent. I
was in the best shape of my life.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Like the cool thing about the NFL that sets it
apart from college is like you don't have class, you
don't have responsibility other than to just play football.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You forget that.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Like college kids they still got to do class and
everything on top of football.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, now they got money, but back then, like dude,
we didn't have any money. So as far as like
keeping a diet and doing all that stuff, like, no,
you just you just played football. You obviously had resources
to get better at it. But the NFL is cool
because your one job is to play the game, and
they have food, they have supplements, they have everything is
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available to you.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
To make you play the game well.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So when you get to that level, like gaining muscle
is really easy, it's your only job. Running faster is
really easy. It's your only job to focus on. So, yeah, dude,
I was feeling the best I'd ever felt in my life.
Finally there. My dreams are kind of right in front
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of me. And you know, it's a rainy.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Day outside, slick, slick surface.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
If you know New Orleans, dude, it's like, oh, brutal,
but it's rainy and then it's sunshine. It's kind of
like I went to high school in Hawaii for a
little bit. The same kind of thing every day kind
of rains.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Got it, Yeah, very fast?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, and yeah, We're just doing a drill and I planted.
My feet kind of slipped and my front cleat caught
the grass before my back one died and my knee
just twisted and buckled. I ended up tearing my MCL,
which is a pretty minor injury, like compared to everything
else that could happen. But as a free agent like you, yeah,
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that's it, you got one shot.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, they say that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
A lot of players don't even they try to play
through some pretty nasty injuries because if you're on the
verge of getting cut, I mean, if you get injured,
you're gone.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's it's pretty ruthless.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So this is the tide line you gotta walk though,
because you can. You can fake like you're okay, but
then they can cut you. And like if they find
out you're injured before you tell them they're injured, and
that's like documented, you can get cut. The second is documented.
You have to go to injury. You know, you have
to go to i R.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They have to pay you a settlement.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Or keep you there like they you're protected a little
bit by the PA at that point.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So, yeah, it's this. It's this tirerope you gotta walk.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's like, do I fake like I'm okay and run
the risk of not getting paid or do I tell
them I'm hurt.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And secure the bag? Like what do you do?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But yeah, it's nobody really sees that side of the
NFL till you're there, and like, getting cut in the NFL,
it's not like it's not like a big profound experience,
Like they don't like bring you in and talk to
you about it and tell you where you could have
done better. They didn't like you just go to skin
into the locker room.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right time for for nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No, you get a call from your agent, they're like, hey,
you've been cut.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Like it's wild, dude, that's crazy. I mean obviously that's
not for everybody, but for free agent.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's it's cutthroat, holy cow. So yeah, man, it was
like back.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
To where I was emotionally, like as pursued this my
whole life, I had this purpose. My whole life is passion,
my whole life. I was in the best shape of
my whole life. Felt like I should have been in
my prime, this should have been the time and then
you know, in a single instant it's gone. So yeah, man,
you get out of that and it's like what what now?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is what happened in your case?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
In my case, dude, I got really like I didn't
even know what depression was at the time, if I'm
being honest, Like, as an athlete, you just taught like strength, strength, strength.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, And that's one nice thing about sports too, is
it allows you I mean, when you're playing sports, it's
probably the best way to get rid of uh, depresiontor Like,
its just it helps you with all those things.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, because you have like kind of like with what
you have, a tribe, you have, you have brothers, you
have people you can depend on, and then you know
you're releasing endorphins like crazy. Hitting people is fun.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, and it takes out a lot of anger and
stress and everything else.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And then when that's gone, it's it's just, yeah, there's
just nothing that steps in. And like you said at
the beginning, when you're used to playing in front of
tens of thousands of people, you know, millions of people
on TV, like that's kind of like the pinnacle of
an adrenaline rush, and the bigger, the game. You know,
that's the only way you kind of push that higher.
(08:29):
And when it's over, you're just like, so what do
I do now? Go sit at a.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Fucking desk, going right, It's just it gets lame.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But yeah, I got pretty depressed, man, and we already
married at that time.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I was married, we had two kids.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You had extra stress.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, that was the other hard part, is like knowing
I got cut and then knowing that put all my
eggs in this basket.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And you didn't make really any money up to that
point as a free agent. I mean very minimal.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, very minimal, like basically have to pay your agent
for the training he gave you.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
A yeah, the agent.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You know, it got us like three months of living expenses,
and dude, I was fresh out of college. Like our
living expenses was like our apartment, cell phone, yeah, cell phone,
a couple of groceries it. Yeah, so we did. We
came out with almost nothing. Ultimately, that's why I stopped playing.
It is like we ran out of money. I was
(09:22):
trying to get back in shape and train and stay
at it, but like you know, I didn't have the
luxury of sleeping on my buddy's couch for a couple
of years and making it work. So I had to
choose to walk away to support a family. And I
think that's where some of that depression came in, is
there's definitely some resentment there for a while, and I
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felt guilty for having the resentment.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So it was just as interesting. It's an interesting one
I had.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's not really the same, but kind of I you know,
I was talking to somebody this is probably gosh, dude,
twelve thirteen years ago. I was trying to side if
I should stay in this relationship, and I truly was
only going to stay in the relationship because I didn't
want to hurt her, Like I knew how much of
how painful was going to be to break up, right,
And he kind of gave me some.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Really good advice that just hit for me. But it
was He's like, anytime we stay in something, or we
we build that we know we don't want to do,
or same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
In your case, it's a little bit different, but I guess,
but if something's taken from us that we didn't want,
you know, it wasn't really our choice yet, Like you
still kind of wanted to probably give it another go,
but you kind of had to step away because of
your family and all these different things. If that that
builds up resentment. And so in my case, it was like,
you know, when he said that, he said, well, you're
just gonna you'll actually end up presenting this person and
(10:39):
you'll trade her poorly, and you're gonna's going to cause
you to act differently, and then you're going to be
a much bigger problem and cause much more pain in
the long run. And so I said, oh, but like
you know, for you, it's this dream that you kind
of feel like you can't go after anymore. And I
can imagine you'd get pretty resentful in that situation.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, one hundred percent, I said one hundred percent. So
many time I say that a lot, but that's true.
That's exactly what happened. But on top of that, like dude,
we got married super young. We both grew up in
the church. In the church, I was like twenty almost
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twenty two, just turned twenty two.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Your baby, bro, Yeah, it was what that's wild.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
That was a kid and then we had kids really quick.
I can go on with opinions about that, but that
was hard.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think that is important information to share, Like in hindsight,
was that too hard or was that the right way
to do it for you?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I mean, in hindsight, I love my life and I
love the way things have worked out, so I'd take
it over and over again.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But it's sure made it a lot harder.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Anything when you're twenty two. Like I just got home
from my Mormon mission a year before. I had no
idea what my credit score was. I had no idea
how to I didn't even know what the words emotional
intelligence meant. I didn't know what my own shit I
was processing was. And then I went and took on
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spouses and decided to have kids and be responsible for
other people.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like that's a wild as.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, it's and I think there's a double edged sort
of that because I mean, you learned it probably so
much faster than I did, for example, because you were forced.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
To, you were in the fire.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You had to learn how to deal with all these
different things. Right in my case, you know, I always
felt like I wasn't ready yet, or I was like,
you know, so I kind of looked at the other way.
But I think it takes me a lot longer to
learn a lot of the lessons when you're on your own.
And so there is the benefit of getting married younger
that you just get forced to figure it out. And
the beauty in your case is you and your wife
have you know, you've built through the I mean, and
(12:46):
here's something that I learned, Dude, everybody, like every relationship
just goes through a hard time. When I was younger,
I truly thought that you just find it like the
right woman was the one you don't fight with or
the one that you just.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Don't have problems. So I really thought that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And now I've gotten older and I've learned a few things,
I'm like, oh, no, you want the person that's going
to test you and force you to level up and
force you to look at yourself in ways you don't
like and it doesn't feel good and it's uncomfortable. Now
there's a lot of love and support to go with it.
But I think that's kind of the gift that you've
got is probably why you're you're just such a natural leader.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Now, I mean, how old are you now? Uh?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I turned thirty three.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, you're literally ten years younger than me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And dude, like you're I mean, I'm literally prepping you
now and we're, you know, mentoring you to be a leader,
and weird that theay where you're going to be able.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
To take your own group in a year from now
and that kind of leadership. Dude. When I was twenty two,
I was such an idiot. Dude.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'm so grateful I didn't get married young. I would
have been the worst husband ever. I would have been
the worst dat ever I would have I would have
been terrible at thirty three. I would have had thirty
four call it whatever. I would have had zero business
running any kind of group, dude.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I mean, I'm barely qualified now, but like and so
I do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I do think that doing those things is a huge
advantage of huge gift because it just forces you to
level up so fast.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, that's so true, And it's funny. This might be
a weird place to take this conversation, but this was
something I was actually thinking about this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Is like, today's a weird day. We have California is.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Weird on fire, like who knows about to break.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Out to get.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Like this is a really really weird time in the world.
And I was just scrolling through Twitter and like, video
after video is like gut wrenching, but like I kept
thinking about this principle, you.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Know that as beloved or as above.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
So below right, and thinking about that and like this
circumstances we're in right now, like the world is reflecting
us as human beings us like the soule level, Like
the problems that are happening that we're being are being seen.
It's it's the same problems we're facing every single day
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at an individual level. I mean, you look at like
the the tyrannical type of leadership that is prevalent all
over the world right now, Like that's the imbalancing of
masculinity and men. At a personal level, you look at
you know, just this complete disorganization and lack of strategy
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and lack of competence, And it's the same thing we
face individually in our own lives, like the inability to
just stick to a structure to discern what's right and wrong.
But yeah, I don't know, man, we were in a
weird time. But I don't even know what got me
on this tangent.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
One of the things that I know it's it's I mean,
look it is, it's been on everybody's bend. I do
a really good job normally of not reading a news
or watching the news and things like that, and I
you know, I actually did a social media fast for a
month of the whole month of May, which was awesome,
highly recommend And today I caught myself I couldn't get
off at Twitter and then YouTube, and I was just
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but I really think we're in deep shit. And so
I'm like, one of the things that I come back to,
I think this is maybe you're going a little bit,
is when the world's chaos around us, you better be
dialed in inside. You've got to keep your own house
in order. Because if you got your own shit taken
care of, it's all good. Yeah, you know, I mean
it just is. But if not, it feels really because
there's no certainty in your life. There's no structure, like
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you said, in your life, and so it's going to
feel really chaotic. And so one thing that's been really cool,
I've really got my routines down, I've gotten settled into
my house, and I'm feeling really confident, like internally, and
so when I look at all of it, I'm just like,
all right, I guess let's see what happens one way
or another.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
No, there's two thoughts.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Though, like on one hand, when we are facing the
fire personally, like when I was going through my time
in the NFL and exiting the NFL, trying to be
a new father, battling marriage issues we had, There's a
whole plethora of things that was going on.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That forced me to grow.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
It was either grow or run. Right and the state
that the world's in right now, the only way I
can look at this with like a positive attitude is
like as above, so below.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
We're forced to.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Grow right now, Like the world is a mess. The
earth knows what's going on, Like consciousness has to raise,
we have to become better, we have to become more loving,
like and yeah, it's the same fire that forges us
as individuals. That's what we're seeing right now at a
mass scale.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Tony Robbins has a quote that he says that I love.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
He says, breakthroughs oftentimes look like breakdowns, and it's because
like when things aren't working, they have to break right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
A lot of the stuff that we're seeing now it's
mostly just being exposed.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's always been going on, and so it kind of
even though it feels like there's more chaos than ever,
it's probably part of the healing, of having it come
to light so that we can, you know, find a
better way to do it all.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And that's kind of what's hopeful for me.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm just you know, I think just certain things that
I think people were naive to before they're not anymore.
I mean, how many people do you know right now
that want to be at war in the United States?
I don't know anybody, dude. When Iraq and all that
went down, how many people wanted to be a war?
Everyone I knew. I remember my dad coming into the
house and he was just so ecstatic about war, and
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He's like, and you know, we all thought that was
a righteous cause. We flew our flags and thought that
was what we should be doing. And now I feel
like the world is much more over, you see, like
the war like I saw, you know, we've all seen
the babies getting flown over the place in Gaza and
then like this morning the missile attack and you oh,
those are apartment buildings, like those are real people. What
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are we doing?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And like war is One thing I love about today's
is because I hate a lot of things about the
modern AI and social media all those things, one thing
I do love is it shows the horribleness of war.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't think we truly understand how horrible war is.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
In the United States, we've been protective wh we haven't
had a war in or so since World War or
since the Civil War, and so we don't have any clue.
You know, when you're watching people that you know and
places you've been be blown up around you. I've been
to Bosnia and Serbia and some of these places that
have been at war. I've been to Moldova and you know,
I've been to a lot of these Russia. I've been
to a lot of these places, and all of a sudden,
like war's a real thing and you realize the horribleness
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of it. And it's just never hit American soil. So
I don't I think we're pretty naive. And you can
just watch it on TV and you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Like, oh, okay, but that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
To go back to the point, man, I think a
lot of this is I do think it's part of
a healing somehow, kind of like what you said of
waking up.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But it man, it's.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, I just it just mirrors like the individual experience
in such a weird way. I think another thing that
I was thinking about today regarding the same thing is
us here in America, where we're allowed to like think
and evolve and wake up, like to lead, to be
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a positive influence.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
To love like we're allowed to do that here.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
We don't get killed for having opinions, we don't get
kicked out for being different like it is.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We have to take advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Man, Yeah, there's nowhere else like it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I mean, if the United States truly is the only
melting pot, and if you go to Mexico, it's full Mexicans,
go to Japan as full Japanese people, you go to
Chinese full Chinese people. Like America is the only place
where everything's blending. I think it causes a lot of
our problems here because we're all trying to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Learn how to live with each other.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It is, dude, and and so it's, you know, some
of the problems that I like. When under other countries
criticize America, I'm like, yeah, it must be real nice
when ninety eight percent of your people are the same ethnicity.
You don't have to like, you know, I mean, because
people are just a friend of what they don't know.
So if people don't look like we're tribal humans, and
so people tend to favor things that look like them
or act like them or whatever, and so it's just fascinating.
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I mean, you know, running a men's group, I've had
this new found respect when you're balance and seeing so
many things at once, right, you're trying to hold space
for people, You're trying to help people grow, You're trying
to challenge people, but you're also trying to support people.
And it's given me this new founder respect for just
you know, social dynamics in.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
General and how that it just is.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the thing that I just laugh on my manute,
it's actually just really hard. It's not easy to bounce
all this stuff. I can only imagine some of these
you know, world leaders that are trying to do it
on a national level.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
That is interesting, and you have a unique perspective on
it because yeah, no two guys are the same in
the group. And I mean we have had fifteen rs.
You got, I mean seven.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Now the seventh want'll be launching it about amount in
that's a.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Lot of guys, a lot of different personalities, a lot
of different perspectives. So the fact that you run it
as flawlessly as you do and on your end, you're
probably not thinking it's flawless. On my end as somebody
that's participating, like this is bad. I don't know how
you run it like this.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But I give myself a lot of grace because well,
and I.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Even look from groups one and two to now, like
I do so many things so different, you know, and
I it's gonna be fun to as we you know,
get closer and I'm mentoring you more and more to
do a group on your own. It's cool, Like there's
things that you know. Some of the biggest lessons I've
learned it was I cared too much at one point,
like it I needed it to be a certain thing.
I have these expectations, and it's just like in life.
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I'm sure you did this as a parent or in
your marriage. Right, it's like when you need something to
be a certain way, or you have high like these expectations,
or you're just you're pouring so much in you need
it to be done your way, Like that's where all
the pain comes from.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So for me, I had so many times.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I can look back now at the other groups and
I'm just like, oh, I didn't know, but it was
because I cared so much, and it's like, well, I
guess you know, I think that's why we give our
parents so much grace.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Where yeah, they made some mistakes, it's because they cared.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like maybe my dad was an asshole sometimes he was
trying to help, he was trying to protect me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, the second you become like a parent and you
see all the ways you're screwing up and trying he
said there, realized like, damn, they just did the best
they freaking could.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That's what That's what all this was was then trying
to do really good.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think everyone has that moment at some point. I
actually say, well, you know this, we've been through this
part of the program.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But the moment that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
A guy realizes that his dad was doing the best
he could and he doesn't wish it was any different,
that's the day that you go from a boy to
a man, like you quit blaming your dad for anything.
That's such a beautiful moment in a person's life, a
man's life, when he just finally realizes, you know what,
I'm done blaming my dad. I am going to take
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full responsibility.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
For my life, for better or worse. And that is
the day.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think like women naturally go through when they become
a woman, they start going through, you know, having periods
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That's like when a girl becomes a woman.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I think when a guy becomes a man is when
he uh, when he realizes and quits him to the
father for anything.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, well, you brought up accountability, and I think accountability is, like,
it's probably the most important principle if you want to
be happy, like you have to take accountability for what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Because then you take the power. You know, then you're
the one that can make the difference.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, dude, and it's every single one of us. We
do control how.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We feel about any situation. It's the Victor Frankel.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Quote and I say it all the time, but you know,
the last of the human freedoms is our ability to
choose how we feel about any given situation, how we
react to it. There's a person I was just on
the phone with somebody and in group in your group,
and he was and he was like, how do I
handle this situation? Basically, there's this guy and he's super
bitter about all these things and he's saying all these things.
I was like, look, you know, I always just own
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my truth, you know, and it's if I don't want
to be around somebody for whatever reason, I'm going to
give him a chance to make it right.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
First.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's like, hey man, your energy and the person was
playing victim and trying to blame other people for things.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And to your point, the reason why accountblity is.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So important is the second you start playing the victim
or the second you start thinking somebody else is the problem.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know, you're bad talking other people.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The second you do that, you're giving up the power
to change it because you're outsourcing where the pain comes from.
And it's like if it's not my fault, then you
don't feel like you can fix it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But if you go, you know what, where's my responsibility
in this? How is this my fault?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And the second you do that, you get to change
it and you get power back over it, and that's
why it's so powerful.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, totally, I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I think another part of that is like decisiveness, Like
being a man, part of being masculine is being decisive.
And I think it's the book the way the Superior
Man talks about like that's why women can't decide where
they want to eat.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's because it's a masculine trait. You're supposed to be
the one to choose why you eat the kind of
thing they'd rather.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean they can't, but they'd rather just you just
do it right and for the most.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Part unless they just like literally have a certain spot there.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
But it's funny. My daughter plays rugby, and this ties into.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
What you were just talking about. But she's a really
good athlete.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
She's fast, she's strong, she's smart. Well, she got the
ball and she.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Was running and she was like going like really slow
and just looked like she was panicking. And I was like, dude,
what are you doing? And so I coached. I helped
coach the team. So she came off the field and
I was like, I know you're faster than that, Like,
what are you doing. She's like everybody's yelling at me.
They're all saying pass the ball, Pass the ball, Pass
the ball. And I had a cool little teaching opportunity
on the sideline there to be like, look, it's vital
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in sports that you were decisive because if you're choosing
when to pass the ball, like one, you can go
full speed and it's your choice.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Too.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
If somebody intercepts that ball, if it gets dropped, if
it's a bad pass, who's fault She's like, my, I go,
if you're just panicking and running slow and just throw
the ball up.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You know who's faulted. If you're not deciding to own
that decision, who's faulted. She's like nobody. And I was like, okay,
so who fixes it?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
She said nobody? And they said, all right, now take
that whole lesson and go do it in rugby and
remember that for life, because that's that's one of my
good ones.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's so true, though. Being decisive is so important. Man,
you you are better off. And all the gurus on
Twitter online that talk about this stuff, like the Alex R.
Moses and all the you know, the all the people
that basically teach this, they all say the same thing.
You're better off making any choice, even if it's the
wrong choice, then getting paralyzed by no choice. You know,
one thing that I think I do pretty well is
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I pivot off my choices really fast. I'll make a decision.
You know, if I'm going the wrong way, I always
go to the next direction, like I'm not attached to
that and so it helps me a lot, because when
I mean it can hurt me in like dating and
things like that, you end up where I'm at. But
but in other parts of life it's actually really valuable,
you know, because you don't get stuck in a spot
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and you're not afraid of making bad decisions. I had
one of the gifts of my life, dude, was when
I was in my early twenties, I did a couple
of businesses. I did a TV show, I had a
door to door meat selling business.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I had a Christmas light business.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I did all these things, and to be honest, they
all failed financially. But what was cool was is everybody
where I went, people would be giving me accolades for
all these things I was doing, and they thought it
was so cool. So even though financially they were failures,
and I knew that, I saw how it like, people
were not impressed, but I guess you just respected me
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for it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And so I got rewarded for my failures, which is
a very rare thing to get. Most people don't.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And so my quote unquote failures, right, and so I
kind of fell in love with this idea of like, oh,
it's fine to fail like so many people get so
afraid to fill and dude, I'm telling you, I got
my first seven or eight things I tried. I lost
my ass and it didn't matter. Everybody was like, Jimmy's
like really going for me? Look how cool this is.
Look we just met. Look at this, and I was
enjoying it. It was like, you know, and all of
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a sudden, you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of failure,
and that's some people are like, how do you just
go for it? And like that's it. It just I
got rewarded for failing early on. And so one of
my favorite stories I've read was Sarah Blakely. She's the
first ever self made billionaire woman and she invented spinks,
married did Jesse Tzler, and her dad every day she
came from school would ask her, what did you fail
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at today? It's such a good question, dude. We're so
afraid of like failing or looking bad. And you know,
on the football field, if you're afraid to like make
a mistake, you're screwed, just like your daughter.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But if you can just send it, nobody wants to
play against that person. They're a menace, you.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Know, that's interesting, man, we talked about this. I think
it was like the first time we really talked was
on a walk and I was telling you about all
of my freaking investment failures.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Dude, our stories kind of parallel each other.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, for so long, I was like so embarrassed about
these failures, and I'm like, man, am I stupid? Like
I feel like I got a good ahead on my shoulders,
but like you said, I kind of wear those like
a badge of honor now because it was the training ground.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Man, Like it just sucks that you have to learn
those lessons that way. Yeah, but man, you learn them, yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
And you learn that Like for me, it was like
a money lesson, like not even how to use money,
but just like the.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Attachment you have to it, Like for me is are.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You really gonna let money be the reason why your
entire demeanor is down, why you're so stressed while you're
not showing up in other areas? Are you really going
to tie money to all of those things? Because you
don't need money to work out and stay in shape,
Like you don't need money to hang out with your
kids and.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Be a good dad. You don't need money to do a.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Lot of things, and it was a good lesson and
I really learned, like how to have peace in the storm.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, I mean, what's that lesson? Worth a lot? But
probably whatever you spend on the on the investment, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's fortunately it was worth.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It was worth a little lot.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I was actually hanging out with some guys the other
day and it was interesting. One of the guys brought
up is, I don't think some of you guys have
ever realized how difficult it's been to like be in
around so many guys that are succeeding financially when you're not.
And he was talking about that, and I'd never really
considered the thought of how much it was driving his
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own behaviors, but he said it forced like it caused
him not not want to go for it.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
In other ways, not want to date.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
He thought he wasn't worthy of going after a girlfriend
until he got his finances in order. And you see
these stupid tweets and things like that that will say like,
you know, if you are broke, you have no business
dating or things like that, and it's like, well, no,
Like the worst thing you can do is attach your
self worth to financial situation, right, because it's so different
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for everybody. Anyways, what's a lot of money to one
person isn't to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And so I think ultimately.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Though, it's I always say, if your biggest problem is financial,
that's a good thing because that's the easiest one to
fix it.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Really is a formula. You learn something that.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Pays, you learn how to do it well, and then
you do it a lot. Like that's literally how you
make money. That's it, and there's so many ways to
do that. That's how you get rich as a Doctor's
how you get rich as a Lawyer's how you get
rich as a salesperson. That's how you get rich, is anything,
and so it's literally a science. The art of fulfillment
is much more difficult. That's like how do you be happy?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Right, how do you have find fulfillment in your life?
And that's much much more difficult to figure out.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
And I think that's what I figured out in the
freaking fire. Like going back to my story getting out
of the NFL, having a marriage that you know, we
were in a rough patch. Man, we got married super young.
You have no idea how to communicate. I had no
idea what vulnerability was. I had no idea what empathy was.
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So she was going to stuff and I'm like this
meathead football player, like, why are you crying?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Get over it. You don't cry, dude, Come on.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But God, bless God, bless her for staying with you.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I'm all right, love me as thank you. Yeah. We
were going through it and then uh, at one at
one point we had two people.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Passing our family. My my wife's little brother passed away
in an ATV accident. They were on a family vacation
and he took a corner a little too fast and
rolled literally.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Rolled in a TV. Dude almost broke my back doing that.
I'd go to the hospital that same thing. I was
trying to turn too quick on an ATV come down
a hill. I don't think people realize how quickly they
flip and how aggressive it is. I thought I broke
my back. I couldn't move for twenty minutes, dude, like I.
It was scared that ship. It was like a month
before my mission. I thought I was paralyzed. Dude, Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
It was really traumatic. Man. That was really heavy.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
For she there on the vacation.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
She was there, I was here.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's the hard part is like our marriage wasn't in
a good place, and I didn't want to go on
the family trip, so I stayed home regret that, and
she called me and I was out fishing with fly
fishing on the river by myself, and I remember I
got the call and I popped in the car and
just drove straight to Colorado where they were. And by
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the time I had showed up, he'd been life flighted
to the hospital and he'd already passed. And that was
that rocked our world. And you know, I was married
into the family. It's my brother in law. He was
like a brother to me. But you know, my mother
in law lost her son. She come home from a
vacation without her kid. My wife lost her brother, like
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that was completely unexpected. He's sixteen years old. So that's
actually where my son bo that's where he got his
name from. He was born right that same time. But yeah,
so we were mourning that my NFL dreams come to
an end. Shortly after that, one of my cousins passed away.
He had heart problems and he was twenty six. He
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was like my big brother growing up.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So that was just.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Boom boom boom. My like faith was just unraveling. I
had a lot of questions that wasn't getting answers for
that is the whole thing in its own So I.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Was just really depressed. Dude, it's a dark time.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
How'd you get out of it? Or I don't even
like saying get out of it anymore?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
By the way, I think like it's one of those
things that we learned to manage, and sometimes we manage
it so well that it feels like it has gone
away forever. But so I'm going to reframe that question,
say how did you learn to manage it well?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I didn't manage it well. What I did was I
suppressed all.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Feeling when there's the death of my brother in law
and my cousin. I think I cried one time for
probably five minutes. Why my tears, and I've just done
I prioritize really well, like in my mind or compartmentalized,
sorry wrong word. I compartmentalized really well, and it was
just out of sight, out of mind. So that's how
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I handled that. My marriage stuff, it was just like
it was an athlete. We don't quit. We just go, go, go,
go go, And so honestly we just survived like we
didn't resolve anything, and then there was just like this
black box of Trump trouble that we just we didn't
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touch like those we don't talk about these things. We
don't we don't go to these places like this is
off limits.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
What's crazy is our parents and grandparents they just did
that for their whole lives.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, they never got it fixed.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I I can look at my own parents and my
grandparents and that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
They just you just don't go there.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I've tried to go to places with my mom and
it does not go well.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And I've learned now, Jimmy, you no longer need to
go there.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Go get your healing somewhere else, and just love her
like no more trying to fix the past. She is
not going to understand the feelings that you need her to.
But because yes, because she's been able to, and God.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Bless her, she had to to survive, right.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Like, and I think I had to get a better
understanding of.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Why she had to do that. But that's what a
lot of them did did.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
They grew up in wars and depressions and freaking Your
brother goes to Vietnam and comes back some weirdo that
had to you know, shoot a bunch of people and
all this stuff like heavy shit.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I haven't had to deal with anything like that. You know.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
It's like, no, we have so many resources today to
yes to learn. Where there's social media, YouTube, like there's.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
A coach's breath, work, all the bath like you name it.
There's so many ways to get help or healing. Even dude,
I'll give you an example like of how it looks
from a healthy standpoint.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
My best friends, I mean cry.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
But yesterday came over and my buddy's wife was fourteen
months pregnant with a little girl and the baby lost
the heartbeat. And he came over and you know, and
he told me he's just balling, and I'm just hugging
him and holding him and his wife and you know,
our friends we've been check how I just came back
from over there again.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
But it's like we can just hold emotion and.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Not need to fix anything and not need to have
any expectation of anything. But like we know how to
help each other, we know how to work through feelings.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
We're all expressing. You know, today yesterday he was sad,
today he's angry.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
We're talking about their feelings and but we're like, we
have all these tools, We've been able to learn all
these things to like be able to in a healthy
way process this trauma that just happened, you know, And
so I don't know, I'm just grateful for it. I'm
grateful that. I mean, that's why I started the program.
It's like I want to help people like that don't
know how to open up their feeling I know how
I was shut off to that forever and like not
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be able to process these things. Like my favorite thing
about we or the day is you are truly safe
in that container to talk about stuff and to open
up your feelings and to be held in a way,
you know, more emotionally than physically. But like just to
have people like truly care and be able to honor
that for you, and it allows us to not have
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that black box hanging over our lives.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, well that's like what they're going through.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
That's beautiful that they're able to feel it because they
deserve to, Like they deserve to like mourn that, they
deserve to give themselves grace to to have people gather
around them to really feel and be heard, you know,
like when you suppress it, like you're not giving yourself
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what you need. And oh, sometimes you need a tantrum,
Sometimes you need a scream, sometimes you need to cry.
If you just suppress it, like I know, it seems
like the macho thing to do. You know, it seems
like you're avoiding the pain. But feeling the pain is
really a beautiful thing. Oh yeah, it's so necessary.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's one of the things I love about breath work.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I did a session two years ago May two years
ago with a guy one on one with my coach
at the times, Stefanos, and Dude, I had suppressed this
experience from my first high school girlfriend that I had
never allowed myself to fill. And I'm just balling as
I think about this experience. I'm literally balling for like
twenty minutes, dude. And it was like releasing and it
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was so healing. It was so good for me. And
I was able to just humanize how shitty I had been,
and how un empathetic i'd been right and how judgmental
i'd been of her and all these things. And I
was just like, oh my gosh, like God, bless her,
Like what a beautiful human And here I just wasn't
able to give her the love she needed. And you know,
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and I just I was just a dick. Like there's
nothing crazy. I just I just wasn't a good boyfriend.
But she was trying so hard. She would write me
a poem every day.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
She would like dress like purposely, like she would pay
attention to little as things. I said, she really loved
this shit out of me. And the reason why, I'll
just tell you the story real quick, but the reason
why I was such a dick to her is because
she kept trying to dry hump me, and like I
was so Mormon like that, I thought she was the devil.
And so she was from Seattle. She'd moved to Utah,
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and I called her Seattle slew. It's like the name
of a horse, and like we basically called her.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
A slot and all these things.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And all she was trying to do was literally love
this shit out of me, dude, And I hadn't thought
about that.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I'd never even like processed how shitty I was.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
And dude, and she literally really loved me, like and
I look back at it and I was just I
literally was just bawling.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Wish I could tell her, like how beautiful she is
as a human and she's got like six kids. I'm
not going to call her write a letter or something.
But the point of it was, that is something that
was locked up in me that I would and it
was took breathrough. I didn't know what I was in there,
and it just freaking came out and I just as
I humanized that whole thing, I was just like, oh
my gosh, But how many of those times in you know,
our parents' generation, would have they ever been able to
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process hurt and trauma and pain and all those things?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
They didn't. They just put it away.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah, but how cool of an awakening for you to
be able to view that the way you do now,
Like how much of the way we think, how much
of the problems that we have come from just programming,
Whether it's religion, whether it's our parents, whether it's society.
I don't know, it could be anything.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I know I was I thought in my mind I
was being righteous, you know what I mean. It was like,
that's wrong, I'm gonna make it bad. And gosh, dude,
like to look at it from another lens now you're rye.
I mean, it's just it's beautiful to be able to
just you know, change my view on that.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
It is wild, man, Like, it's just crazy how our
perception of the world is. It's just ours. Like I
don't know how to properly explain what I'm saying, but
like two people can be doing the exact same thing
have a completely different experience. I was trying to explain
this to my brother Tyson. You know, Tyson, we were
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at Beatos a couple of weeks ago. We playing golf
and went to Beatos and got burritos. I was like,
it's like this burrito, dude, It's just a burrito. Like
I can take a bite and think it's disgusting and
hate it and never come to this place again and
go write a bad review, and my reality is really
negative towards this. You could take a bite of the
same burrito and think it was the best burrito ever,
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and this is your new spot. Like, our perception of
things is one hundred percent. That that controls our actions,
that controls our reality, how we feel, how we do things,
And so it's wild to think, like in your story here,
you thought you were the good guy.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I did. I was so right. Yes, I forgot to
put the self before that word.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
But you look at it from another lens and you're like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I know.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I was like, oh, I'm the villain in my story. Well,
I've had so many times where I thought I was
so right, dude. I had one not that long ago
where you know, me and my brother had a beef
for a couple of years and bro for the first
about year and a half, I was one hundred.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Percent sure he was the asshole.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
And then I dude again in breath work, actually it
came to me and I'm like, oh my gosh, he
is loving me in a way that no one else could.
And I'm like, and I saw his beauty of all
that how he was doing it, and it was like
I had this new respect where I just had to
give him prop So I'm like, he's so far advancing him.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I've had every coach in training and mastermind the world.
I don't know shit.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I'm like, he just loves in a way that I
am not capable yet. And it was so cool and
it's like just changed my whole perspective on it. And
so anyway, but yeah, I mean, well here's an eye
opening thing. Like every single person that we know sees
a different version of us, Like every single person we
know sees us differently, which is wild to think about, right,
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And so whatever we focus on, we feel that's that
Tony Robbinson again.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
And so it's like, what do you want to focus on?
Speaker 1 (44:53):
You want to focus on the people that don't like
you want to focus on people that don't understand, you know,
like you have to learn to shut those people out,
you know, like really pouring to the people that make
you feel feel good.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
It goes back to what you're saying earlier, like you
get to choose your experience if you will, Like it's
all your choice. And I remember I used to hear
guys like Tony Robbins say that and different people.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Say it on social media. Know my story is this
guy talking about you can choose what I'm pissed, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
But then I guess what I've learned through all that
stuff I went through is and maybe framing it this
way helped. But like, what's the point of all of this?
Like what do we know for certain? Like that we
are here, we exist, that we feel emotions, and that
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we like to experience happy things, right, we like to
experience things that feel good. If that's the point, is
just experiencing, then why don't we just choose to experience
the good things? And if they're hard, why don't we
choose to put a spin on it that makes it
something good? Why don't we choose to make a lesson
out of it or to see the mirror what what
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you need to learn out of the situation instead of
be a victim to it. That's the only way to
frame it in my mind.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
That's like, yeah, I know, but this is a secret
to life, dude. Like you get to a point where
there's no bad days, there's just learning moments.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
You this is gonna be something. I'm I don't like.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
This, but you know we're gonna take something away from this.
One thing I love that Tony does again is when
people get into that victim mindset, you know, and kind
of to what you were just saying, he goes, Hey,
you can be a victim. He's like, how does that
serve you? Like, how is that helping you? Because it doesn't.
So you can keep that mindset, you can feel like
a victim. Sure like people, he goes, people will fight
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so hard.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
For their story.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
They want so bad to be that in that spot
and it's like that's great. And the harder you fight
for your story, the more you get to keep it. Yeah,
but like ultimately, you know, it's one of my favorite quotes.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's like, well, if you're so smart, why aren't you happy?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
So it's like you can be smart or feel this
way or what else it might be, But ultimately, how
are you choosing to look at.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Things so that you can live in a peaceful state?
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Well that's such a big concept in general, Like peaceful
state I think is one aspect of it. But the
story you tell yourself in your head is that makes
your reality. Like I truly believe that time and space
will meet you at whatever story you're telling yourself in
your head, if it's a victim one, you're going to
continue to get things that put you as a victim.
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My favorite people to think about with this is people
that I played football with, the great ones that I
played football with, and for a long time, like there
was probably jealousy around how good they didn't you know,
ego tight in there when we were playing together, and
then since playing I got to become their fans.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Because I saw how they worked.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
So I mean, you know, like Fred and Fred Warner
and Kylevin Noy Manti Tetle, Like, these are all guys
that at one time I played.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I've had all three on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Hell yeah, but I'm walking with a good crew.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Then yeah, I got you.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
But these are guys that I've been able to watch.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
How they prepare, and I've been able to watch their mentality.
And let me tell you what, Kyle, Fred and Manti
whether and they can. I'd love for them to confirm
this for me, but just from my examination of them
and watching them do the thing they did, they knew
they were going to be great a long time before
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everybody else did. Fred walked with a confidence that was
I'm the best guy in this room. I'm the smartest
player in this room. I make the biggest plays in
this room. Kyle did the same thing, Manti did the
same thing. Since we were kids. Like that story repeated
over and over and over and over again for years
and years and years and years. That's why they're so
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freaking good. And like, I can look at myself and
my story was I was going to go to the NFL.
I told myself down my head the whole time, and
it was just like this goal of making it to
the NFL. Well, I did, and that's all I got, you.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Know what I'm saying. So I really think that's maybe
that's like total anecdotal list.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
No, well, it's everything, dude.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Everything that we create in our reality was first created
in our heads. And if you don't believe that you
deserve something, if you don't believe that you're the best
of something, if you don't really deserve that you can
do something, it's not going to happen. I'm helping a
buddy with something right now, dude. And I've just told him.
I was like, Dude, this is happening because we've already
decided it. Now it's just figuring out which route is
going to get us there. And I'm going to keep
fire and ballets. Tell this gun's empty, dude. We're going
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to figure this out and it's it'll be like the
greatest I can't even say what it is yet, but
it'll be like the greatest chapter of the.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Book of my life.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
If I can even be a small part of helping this.
And uh, And I just told him, I said, d
you just count on it. I promise you. Somehow. I
don't know how this is happening and anyway, it's another
story for another day.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
But but that is the mindset you have to have.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
And just having that mindset, by the way, there's like
ten things that like you could be like this might
be able to help him. Five them have already happened,
Like it's happening gun to my head today. If it
works or not, I would say yes, if you you know.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
So it's like I don't know. I just believe that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I've seen it too many times in my own life
when you know and people you'll look back and you're.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Like, how the hell did I pull that off? But
you just believed you could.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Well, And I'm starting to learn like when you when
there's a purpose and it's clear, I mean, this is
like think and grow rich. The first time I read
that book, I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
The hell does that mean? I read it a couple
of times, but like.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
If there's a purpose, if you can visualize it clearly
and there's passion surrounding it and emotions surrounding it, Like, dude,
the stuff you're a walking testament of it. Man, A
lot of the stuff you've created, I don't think you
knew what it was going to be when you started
creating it, but you had a passion and you had
a purpose and you knew what that was and it
was powered by emotion. And look at what like you
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you're changing lives. The ripple effect of that is massive,
Like look what you've done with real estate. Look what
you're doing and you know, we won't get into it,
but look what you're doing now, Like it's pretty freaking amoment.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
There's actually dude, I actually learned that formula from Again
I'm quoting Tony way too much on this podcast, but dude,
I just that guy has figured everything out. But he
has this assistant called the RPM, the rapid Planning Method.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Have you heard of this?
Speaker 1 (51:14):
And it's basically what you just said to the t
He said, you first, you figure out what you want
to do, like get clear, like this is what I'm
trying to do. He said, then you have to create
the emotion behind it. The why right, really create emotion
because you.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Don't have emotion. That's a car with no gas, Like
you have to truly fill that thing up every day
with emotion.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
And he said, then you literally just map it out
with a massive action plan, like you very detailed what
you're going to do, and then you just start working
the plan because you have the emotion attached to it,
you don't mind working the plan if you work the
plan long enough. Some plans take a month, some take
a day, some take ten years. But you work that plan,
you do get the result that you want well.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
And then I think that's where faith comes in. And
like growing up the way I did, like I always
thought faith was just believing things you can't see, you know, God, faith,
But I've learned now faith is taking that action plan
and just not worrying about the how, but trusting that
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those actions, that intent, that's enough and then the things
are just gonna fall into place.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
And they freaking do. It's the most wild thing they
freaking do do.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Man, It's crazy how often they do. Dude, I had
a cool moment two weeks ago. I was with our
sixth group down in the lake pow of we or
that they are sixth the leadership group, and your two
brothers are in it. You got them both in appreciate
that course and dude, they we do this exercise where
we the last night to have everybody around the fire,
all fifty guys, and everybody takes a turn. We honor
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somebody in our life that's been our biggest mentor or helper,
a person that just saw us or whatever, just the
person that we want to honor in that circle, and
then you tell us about them, and then we all
say their name kind of just in an energetic thing
to send them love into the circle. And both your
brothers said you, man, just so you know, you make
a very profound I think a lot of those challenges
you went through a lot more people were probably watching
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and watching.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
How you handled that, how you came out on the
other side of.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
That, how your relationship is now with your kids and
your wife and everything you're doing. And so it's one
of the reasons I know you're just more than you
probably realized. Dude, you're just a natural leader. And so
I just thought you'd like to hear that.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, I appreciate you telling me, Man that, Uh, that
means a lot to me. Those guys are I don't know.
I think ever since I was little, that's been my
biggest roles, being a big brother.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
You know what a cool world.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
So I'm the youngest of five brothers, so I'm on
the other end of that, so I know how much
heilicup tall. My brothers, dude, and my life got so
much easier and so much better because of those brothers.
I got a buddy, my buddy Chris, and uh, he
had more talent than any of us in baseball. His
first time he tried to bench press as a sophomore
high school, he threw up three ten. He was the
fastest guy on the team, who's built like a freaking
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middle linebacker in the NFL, and he ended up I
think his sophomore year he hit like eleven home runs,
like first team all Steak got invited to one of
the three guys from Utah to.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Go the National Showcase.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Anyway, long story short, a senior year, he barely played
and I asked him one time, like, you know, because
he just didn't have anyone to help him, and he said, gosh, dude,
I just needed an older brother. And he's like, I
needed someone that had been before, Like nobody took this
dude under his wing. Our baseball coaches sucked and so like.
Unfortunately he didn't have anybody to show him how to
do it. He actually got too big lifting and he
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lost his flexibility. And as a baseball player, you have
to be able to and so all these things that
kind of he punched a wall and broke his hand.
It's just a couple of them, but like he didn't
have older brothers, man, and like that day has never
been like when he said that, he's like, I just
wish I had little brothers. He's like people that could
have shown me the path. So kind of cool.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Yeah, it's interesting as you're telling me that, I just
I realized, like, yeah, it would have been nice to
have a little brother making some of these mistakes and
guided me.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
But I think I think I've taken pride in that role.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Like you get to beat in the hard way.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I'll make the mistakes. I'll take the beating. I'll do
what and yeah, it's part of being a brother.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Like I'm not gonna let you guys make the same mistake.
That's why I put them both in wat is because
especially Tyson, my youngest brother, he's like twenty five, single,
good looking dude, just life of the party, has no
real responsibility yet. Sorry Tyson, it's still awesome, but he
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asked me, and I really like, I think my favorite
thing is that my brothers trust me, and that means
everything to me. I'll never do anything to I'll never
do anything to ruin that. But they trust me and
they come to me for advice and that's super meaningful.
And he came to me and he started making some
money and he's like, hey, what do I invest in?
And I was in the middle of losing.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
My ass on that investment. I was like, don't ever
ask me that question again. I will tell you.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
I would recommend go invest in yourself. And like, I'm
part of Jimmy's group. I've loved it. It's helped me
in a bunch of ways. If it you know, if
that calls to you, then jumping this one with me.
If not, then go find something else. But spend that
money on.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
You and figure out the great advice.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
And he's like, all right, set me up on a
call of Jimmy and I had worn him too. I
was like, you know, I don't tell this to everybody,
but Jimmy's a fucking salesman. Dude, like like, if you
get on this call, he will close you, So make
sure this is what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
He calls me like twenty minutes later, he's like, he
closed me.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
But it's actually it's such an easy pitch. Because I
believe so struggling it, you know, So it's just like
obviously yeah, actually like I don't.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
I mean I've said you probably I don't know five
or six people.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, yeah, But every.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Time I'm on the phone with them, I'm like, look,
I'm just going to tell you my story and you
can choose what you want to do, and then it
sells itself. There's not even a sells pitch. I mean
maybe once or twice I've been like, what if it's
not good, what.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Do you lose a couple of bucks? Like you'll make
it back to take the risk. No, but it's yes.
I really appreciate what you've created.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
It's super meaningful and it's making a big difference in
a lot of people's lives.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Thanks, brother, Well.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
I appreciate the way you show up man, and the
way you help just elevate everybody in your life. So
for people that want to follow you or whatever's your
what's your Instagram or.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
Yeah, my Instagram is just my name Sietao Tou thirty one,
it's really all I got.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
It is Instagram.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
That's good. That's all you need these days. Bro, Well,
I appreciate you a game and this was fun.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Love you brother, Hey, I love you too, Man. Appreciate
you havving me on.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
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And today on the podcast, I sit down with a
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at it like that. But the thing I love about
Sai man I met this guy through the coaching program
We're the day that obviously I'm running in. You meet
people that are just natural leaders, and this is a
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guy that that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And he's former football player, played with the Saints, played
at BYU.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We'll get into his journey a little bit with all
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those dudes you're just like, you know, when you meet somebody,
You're like, this is just just a dude.
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Dude.
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I want to hang out with the dude I want
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, dude, sy good to be here. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, thanks for having me on. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, dude, you know it's fun. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I when you played at BYU, it was this weird
time frame war.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I just wasn't quite as engaged.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I had just been super engaged, and so it's like
I have these memories of you playing and everything, but
it's not like I don't have like that one moment.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Where I remember, you know, we weren't.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We didn't really get to know each other very well
minus I guess your recruiting trip a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, man, I mean we've talked a little bit. I
knew who you were.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Because, yeah, you were friends with a lot of the
guys on our team that I looked up to, but
definitely missed each other, probably missed a lot of good times.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I know, dude. In hindsight, I think we missed an
opportunity there.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's all good, though we were supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We were supposed to be adult friends, you know. Oh,
I mean I was an adult that, but a different
kind of adult. I'd love to get into your story.
You have a pretty cool story about like just playing football.
And I think one of the hardest things I've noticed
with a lot of my buddies that play at a
high level play football.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I mean, dude, I mean you're picturing, you know, you're playing.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Football in front of sixty five, sometimes more thousand people.
It's probably pretty tough to find what is going to
get your soul moving after having experiences like that, after
being around the elite performers and athletes that you are
at those levels. And I can imagine I know in
your case, it really sets you back. But maybe just
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start there, men, just dive in.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean, football is It's weird, dude, because when
you get into it, like if you want to play
at a high level, you have to put all your
eggs in that basket. Like you got to give it
your all. There's not really a backup plan. Everybody says
to have one, but the guys that do it, they know,
like there's not a backup plan. But what I've kind
of learned is it gave me a purpose and it
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was a passion that like, you know, it drove me.
It was something I loved and you know, I borderline
obsessed over it for twenty something years. So yeah, when
that comes crashed into an end, like you don't just
like lose the game, you like, it's like your whole
identity is tied to it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Like in my professional life, I've worked a lot with
surgeons and doctors, and it's a similar thing where you
see these guys at the end of their career, like
retirement's really hard for them because they're known as a surgeon.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
It's the same thing as a football player, like you're
known as an athlete. So when that comes to an end,
it's never on your timeline unless you're like Tom Brady
or something you know, and.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You get to walk off on top.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But the vast majority of us like it's an injury,
it's being cut. It's did you just catch you off guard?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And no, yes, because I got injured. My story is
I saw with the Saints as a free agent. I
was in the best shape of my life.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Like the cool thing about the NFL that sets it
apart from college is like you don't have class, you
don't have responsibility other than to just play football.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You forget that.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Like college kids they still got to do class and
everything on top of football.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, now they got money, but back then, like dude,
we didn't have any money. So as far as like
keeping a diet and doing all that stuff, like, no,
you just you just played football. You obviously had resources
to get better at it. But the NFL is cool
because your one job is to play the game, and
they have food, they have supplements, they have everything is
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available to you.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
To make you play the game well.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So when you get to that level, like gaining muscle
is really easy, it's your only job. Running faster is
really easy. It's your only job to focus on. So, yeah, dude,
I was feeling the best I'd ever felt in my life.
Finally there. My dreams are kind of right in front
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of me. And you know, it's a rainy.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Day outside, slick, slick surface.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
If you know New Orleans, dude, it's like, oh, brutal,
but it's rainy and then it's sunshine. It's kind of
like I went to high school in Hawaii for a
little bit. The same kind of thing every day kind
of rains.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Got it, Yeah, very fast?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, and yeah, We're just doing a drill and I planted.
My feet kind of slipped and my front cleat caught
the grass before my back one died and my knee
just twisted and buckled. I ended up tearing my MCL,
which is a pretty minor injury, like compared to everything
else that could happen. But as a free agent like you, yeah,
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that's it, you got one shot.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, they say that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
A lot of players don't even they try to play
through some pretty nasty injuries because if you're on the
verge of getting cut, I mean, if you get injured,
you're gone.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's it's pretty ruthless.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So this is the tide line you gotta walk though,
because you can. You can fake like you're okay, but
then they can cut you. And like if they find
out you're injured before you tell them they're injured, and
that's like documented, you can get cut. The second is documented.
You have to go to injury. You know, you have
to go to i R.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They have to pay you a settlement.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Or keep you there like they you're protected a little
bit by the PA at that point.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So, yeah, it's this. It's this tirerope you gotta walk.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's like, do I fake like I'm okay and run
the risk of not getting paid or do I tell
them I'm hurt.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And secure the bag? Like what do you do?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But yeah, it's nobody really sees that side of the
NFL till you're there, and like, getting cut in the NFL,
it's not like it's not like a big profound experience,
Like they don't like bring you in and talk to
you about it and tell you where you could have
done better. They didn't like you just go to skin
into the locker room.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right time for for nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No, you get a call from your agent, they're like, hey,
you've been cut.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Like it's wild, dude, that's crazy. I mean obviously that's
not for everybody, but for free agent.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's it's cutthroat, holy cow. So yeah, man, it was
like back.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
To where I was emotionally, like as pursued this my
whole life, I had this purpose. My whole life is passion,
my whole life. I was in the best shape of
my whole life. Felt like I should have been in
my prime, this should have been the time and then
you know, in a single instant it's gone. So yeah, man,
you get out of that and it's like what what now?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is what happened in your case?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
In my case, dude, I got really like I didn't
even know what depression was at the time, if I'm
being honest, Like, as an athlete, you just taught like strength, strength, strength.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, And that's one nice thing about sports too, is
it allows you I mean, when you're playing sports, it's
probably the best way to get rid of uh, depresiontor Like,
its just it helps you with all those things.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, because you have like kind of like with what
you have, a tribe, you have, you have brothers, you
have people you can depend on, and then you know
you're releasing endorphins like crazy. Hitting people is fun.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, and it takes out a lot of anger and
stress and everything else.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And then when that's gone, it's it's just, yeah, there's
just nothing that steps in. And like you said at
the beginning, when you're used to playing in front of
tens of thousands of people, you know, millions of people
on TV, like that's kind of like the pinnacle of
an adrenaline rush, and the bigger, the game. You know,
that's the only way you kind of push that higher.
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And when it's over, you're just like, so what do
I do now? Go sit at a.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Fucking desk, going right, It's just it gets lame.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But yeah, I got pretty depressed, man, and we already
married at that time.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I was married, we had two kids.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You had extra stress.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, that was the other hard part, is like knowing
I got cut and then knowing that put all my
eggs in this basket.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And you didn't make really any money up to that
point as a free agent. I mean very minimal.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, very minimal, like basically have to pay your agent
for the training he gave you.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
A yeah, the agent.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You know, it got us like three months of living expenses,
and dude, I was fresh out of college. Like our
living expenses was like our apartment, cell phone, yeah, cell phone,
a couple of groceries it. Yeah, so we did. We
came out with almost nothing. Ultimately, that's why I stopped playing.
It is like we ran out of money. I was
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trying to get back in shape and train and stay
at it, but like you know, I didn't have the
luxury of sleeping on my buddy's couch for a couple
of years and making it work. So I had to
choose to walk away to support a family. And I
think that's where some of that depression came in, is
there's definitely some resentment there for a while, and I
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felt guilty for having the resentment.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So it was just as interesting. It's an interesting one
I had.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's not really the same, but kind of I you know,
I was talking to somebody this is probably gosh, dude,
twelve thirteen years ago. I was trying to side if
I should stay in this relationship, and I truly was
only going to stay in the relationship because I didn't
want to hurt her, Like I knew how much of
how painful was going to be to break up, right,
And he kind of gave me some.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Really good advice that just hit for me. But it
was He's like, anytime we stay in something, or we
we build that we know we don't want to do,
or same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
In your case, it's a little bit different, but I guess,
but if something's taken from us that we didn't want,
you know, it wasn't really our choice yet, Like you
still kind of wanted to probably give it another go,
but you kind of had to step away because of
your family and all these different things. If that that
builds up resentment. And so in my case, it was like,
you know, when he said that, he said, well, you're
just gonna you'll actually end up presenting this person and
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you'll trade her poorly, and you're gonna's going to cause
you to act differently, and then you're going to be
a much bigger problem and cause much more pain in
the long run. And so I said, oh, but like
you know, for you, it's this dream that you kind
of feel like you can't go after anymore. And I
can imagine you'd get pretty resentful in that situation.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, one hundred percent, I said one hundred percent. So
many time I say that a lot, but that's true.
That's exactly what happened. But on top of that, like dude,
we got married super young. We both grew up in
the church. In the church, I was like twenty almost
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twenty two, just turned twenty two.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Your baby, bro, Yeah, it was what that's wild.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
That was a kid and then we had kids really quick.
I can go on with opinions about that, but that
was hard.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think that is important information to share, Like in hindsight,
was that too hard or was that the right way
to do it for you?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I mean, in hindsight, I love my life and I
love the way things have worked out, so I'd take
it over and over again.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But it's sure made it a lot harder.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Anything when you're twenty two. Like I just got home
from my Mormon mission a year before. I had no
idea what my credit score was. I had no idea
how to I didn't even know what the words emotional
intelligence meant. I didn't know what my own shit I
was processing was. And then I went and took on
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spouses and decided to have kids and be responsible for
other people.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like that's a wild as.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, it's and I think there's a double edged sort
of that because I mean, you learned it probably so
much faster than I did, for example, because you were forced.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
To, you were in the fire.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You had to learn how to deal with all these
different things. Right in my case, you know, I always
felt like I wasn't ready yet, or I was like,
you know, so I kind of looked at the other way.
But I think it takes me a lot longer to
learn a lot of the lessons when you're on your own.
And so there is the benefit of getting married younger
that you just get forced to figure it out. And
the beauty in your case is you and your wife
have you know, you've built through the I mean, and
(12:46):
here's something that I learned, Dude, everybody, like every relationship
just goes through a hard time. When I was younger,
I truly thought that you just find it like the
right woman was the one you don't fight with or
the one that you just.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Don't have problems. So I really thought that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And now I've gotten older and I've learned a few things,
I'm like, oh, no, you want the person that's going
to test you and force you to level up and
force you to look at yourself in ways you don't
like and it doesn't feel good and it's uncomfortable. Now
there's a lot of love and support to go with it.
But I think that's kind of the gift that you've
got is probably why you're you're just such a natural leader.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Now, I mean, how old are you now? Uh?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I turned thirty three.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, you're literally ten years younger than me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And dude, like you're I mean, I'm literally prepping you
now and we're, you know, mentoring you to be a leader,
and weird that theay where you're going to be able.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
To take your own group in a year from now
and that kind of leadership. Dude. When I was twenty two,
I was such an idiot. Dude.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'm so grateful I didn't get married young. I would
have been the worst husband ever. I would have been
the worst dat ever I would have I would have
been terrible at thirty three. I would have had thirty
four call it whatever. I would have had zero business
running any kind of group, dude.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I mean, I'm barely qualified now, but like and so
I do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I do think that doing those things is a huge
advantage of huge gift because it just forces you to
level up so fast.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, that's so true, And it's funny. This might be
a weird place to take this conversation, but this was
something I was actually thinking about this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Is like, today's a weird day. We have California is.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Weird on fire, like who knows about to break.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Out to get.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Like this is a really really weird time in the world.
And I was just scrolling through Twitter and like, video
after video is like gut wrenching, but like I kept
thinking about this principle, you.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Know that as beloved or as above.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
So below right, and thinking about that and like this
circumstances we're in right now, like the world is reflecting
us as human beings us like the soule level, Like
the problems that are happening that we're being are being seen.
It's it's the same problems we're facing every single day
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at an individual level. I mean, you look at like
the the tyrannical type of leadership that is prevalent all
over the world right now, Like that's the imbalancing of
masculinity and men. At a personal level, you look at
you know, just this complete disorganization and lack of strategy
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and lack of competence, And it's the same thing we
face individually in our own lives, like the inability to
just stick to a structure to discern what's right and wrong.
But yeah, I don't know, man, we were in a
weird time. But I don't even know what got me
on this tangent.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
One of the things that I know it's it's I mean,
look it is, it's been on everybody's bend. I do
a really good job normally of not reading a news
or watching the news and things like that, and I
you know, I actually did a social media fast for a
month of the whole month of May, which was awesome,
highly recommend And today I caught myself I couldn't get
off at Twitter and then YouTube, and I was just
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but I really think we're in deep shit. And so
I'm like, one of the things that I come back to,
I think this is maybe you're going a little bit,
is when the world's chaos around us, you better be
dialed in inside. You've got to keep your own house
in order. Because if you got your own shit taken
care of, it's all good. Yeah, you know, I mean
it just is. But if not, it feels really because
there's no certainty in your life. There's no structure, like
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you said, in your life, and so it's going to
feel really chaotic. And so one thing that's been really cool,
I've really got my routines down, I've gotten settled into
my house, and I'm feeling really confident, like internally, and
so when I look at all of it, I'm just like,
all right, I guess let's see what happens one way
or another.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
No, there's two thoughts.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Though, like on one hand, when we are facing the
fire personally, like when I was going through my time
in the NFL and exiting the NFL, trying to be
a new father, battling marriage issues we had, There's a
whole plethora of things that was going on.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That forced me to grow.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
It was either grow or run. Right and the state
that the world's in right now, the only way I
can look at this with like a positive attitude is
like as above, so below.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
We're forced to.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Grow right now, Like the world is a mess. The
earth knows what's going on, Like consciousness has to raise,
we have to become better, we have to become more loving,
like and yeah, it's the same fire that forges us
as individuals. That's what we're seeing right now at a
mass scale.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Tony Robbins has a quote that he says that I love.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
He says, breakthroughs oftentimes look like breakdowns, and it's because
like when things aren't working, they have to break right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
A lot of the stuff that we're seeing now it's
mostly just being exposed.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's always been going on, and so it kind of
even though it feels like there's more chaos than ever,
it's probably part of the healing, of having it come
to light so that we can, you know, find a
better way to do it all.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And that's kind of what's hopeful for me.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm just you know, I think just certain things that
I think people were naive to before they're not anymore.
I mean, how many people do you know right now
that want to be at war in the United States?
I don't know anybody, dude. When Iraq and all that
went down, how many people wanted to be a war?
Everyone I knew. I remember my dad coming into the
house and he was just so ecstatic about war, and
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He's like, and you know, we all thought that was
a righteous cause. We flew our flags and thought that
was what we should be doing. And now I feel
like the world is much more over, you see, like
the war like I saw, you know, we've all seen
the babies getting flown over the place in Gaza and
then like this morning the missile attack and you oh,
those are apartment buildings, like those are real people. What
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are we doing?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And like war is One thing I love about today's
is because I hate a lot of things about the
modern AI and social media all those things, one thing
I do love is it shows the horribleness of war.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't think we truly understand how horrible war is.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
In the United States, we've been protective wh we haven't
had a war in or so since World War or
since the Civil War, and so we don't have any clue.
You know, when you're watching people that you know and
places you've been be blown up around you. I've been
to Bosnia and Serbia and some of these places that
have been at war. I've been to Moldova and you know,
I've been to a lot of these Russia. I've been
to a lot of these places, and all of a sudden,
like war's a real thing and you realize the horribleness
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of it. And it's just never hit American soil. So
I don't I think we're pretty naive. And you can
just watch it on TV and you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Like, oh, okay, but that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
To go back to the point, man, I think a
lot of this is I do think it's part of
a healing somehow, kind of like what you said of
waking up.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But it man, it's.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, I just it just mirrors like the individual experience
in such a weird way. I think another thing that
I was thinking about today regarding the same thing is
us here in America, where we're allowed to like think
and evolve and wake up, like to lead, to be
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a positive influence.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
To love like we're allowed to do that here.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
We don't get killed for having opinions, we don't get
kicked out for being different like it is.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We have to take advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Man, Yeah, there's nowhere else like it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I mean, if the United States truly is the only
melting pot, and if you go to Mexico, it's full Mexicans,
go to Japan as full Japanese people, you go to
Chinese full Chinese people. Like America is the only place
where everything's blending. I think it causes a lot of
our problems here because we're all trying to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Learn how to live with each other.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It is, dude, and and so it's, you know, some
of the problems that I like. When under other countries
criticize America, I'm like, yeah, it must be real nice
when ninety eight percent of your people are the same ethnicity.
You don't have to like, you know, I mean, because
people are just a friend of what they don't know.
So if people don't look like we're tribal humans, and
so people tend to favor things that look like them
or act like them or whatever, and so it's just fascinating.
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I mean, you know, running a men's group, I've had
this new found respect when you're balance and seeing so
many things at once, right, you're trying to hold space
for people, You're trying to help people grow, You're trying
to challenge people, but you're also trying to support people.
And it's given me this new founder respect for just
you know, social dynamics in.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
General and how that it just is.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the thing that I just laugh on my manute,
it's actually just really hard. It's not easy to bounce
all this stuff. I can only imagine some of these
you know, world leaders that are trying to do it
on a national level.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
That is interesting, and you have a unique perspective on
it because yeah, no two guys are the same in
the group. And I mean we have had fifteen rs.
You got, I mean seven.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Now the seventh want'll be launching it about amount in
that's a.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Lot of guys, a lot of different personalities, a lot
of different perspectives. So the fact that you run it
as flawlessly as you do and on your end, you're
probably not thinking it's flawless. On my end as somebody
that's participating, like this is bad. I don't know how
you run it like this.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But I give myself a lot of grace because well,
and I.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Even look from groups one and two to now, like
I do so many things so different, you know, and
I it's gonna be fun to as we you know,
get closer and I'm mentoring you more and more to
do a group on your own. It's cool, Like there's
things that you know. Some of the biggest lessons I've
learned it was I cared too much at one point,
like it I needed it to be a certain thing.
I have these expectations, and it's just like in life.
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I'm sure you did this as a parent or in
your marriage. Right, it's like when you need something to
be a certain way, or you have high like these expectations,
or you're just you're pouring so much in you need
it to be done your way, Like that's where all
the pain comes from.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So for me, I had so many times.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I can look back now at the other groups and
I'm just like, oh, I didn't know, but it was
because I cared so much, and it's like, well, I
guess you know, I think that's why we give our
parents so much grace.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Where yeah, they made some mistakes, it's because they cared.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like maybe my dad was an asshole sometimes he was
trying to help, he was trying to protect me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, the second you become like a parent and you
see all the ways you're screwing up and trying he
said there, realized like, damn, they just did the best
they freaking could.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That's what That's what all this was was then trying
to do really good.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think everyone has that moment at some point. I
actually say, well, you know this, we've been through this
part of the program.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But the moment that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
A guy realizes that his dad was doing the best
he could and he doesn't wish it was any different,
that's the day that you go from a boy to
a man, like you quit blaming your dad for anything.
That's such a beautiful moment in a person's life, a
man's life, when he just finally realizes, you know what,
I'm done blaming my dad. I am going to take
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full responsibility.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
For my life, for better or worse. And that is
the day.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think like women naturally go through when they become
a woman, they start going through, you know, having periods
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That's like when a girl becomes a woman.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I think when a guy becomes a man is when
he uh, when he realizes and quits him to the
father for anything.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, well, you brought up accountability, and I think accountability is, like,
it's probably the most important principle if you want to
be happy, like you have to take accountability for what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Because then you take the power. You know, then you're
the one that can make the difference.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, dude, and it's every single one of us. We
do control how.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We feel about any situation. It's the Victor Frankel.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Quote and I say it all the time, but you know,
the last of the human freedoms is our ability to
choose how we feel about any given situation, how we
react to it. There's a person I was just on
the phone with somebody and in group in your group,
and he was and he was like, how do I
handle this situation? Basically, there's this guy and he's super
bitter about all these things and he's saying all these things.
I was like, look, you know, I always just own
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my truth, you know, and it's if I don't want
to be around somebody for whatever reason, I'm going to
give him a chance to make it right.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
First.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's like, hey man, your energy and the person was
playing victim and trying to blame other people for things.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And to your point, the reason why accountblity is.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So important is the second you start playing the victim
or the second you start thinking somebody else is the problem.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know, you're bad talking other people.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The second you do that, you're giving up the power
to change it because you're outsourcing where the pain comes from.
And it's like if it's not my fault, then you
don't feel like you can fix it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But if you go, you know what, where's my responsibility
in this? How is this my fault?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And the second you do that, you get to change
it and you get power back over it, and that's
why it's so powerful.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, totally, I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I think another part of that is like decisiveness, Like
being a man, part of being masculine is being decisive.
And I think it's the book the way the Superior
Man talks about like that's why women can't decide where
they want to eat.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's because it's a masculine trait. You're supposed to be
the one to choose why you eat the kind of
thing they'd rather.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean they can't, but they'd rather just you just
do it right and for the most.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Part unless they just like literally have a certain spot there.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
But it's funny. My daughter plays rugby, and this ties into.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
What you were just talking about. But she's a really
good athlete.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
She's fast, she's strong, she's smart. Well, she got the
ball and she.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Was running and she was like going like really slow
and just looked like she was panicking. And I was like, dude,
what are you doing? And so I coached. I helped
coach the team. So she came off the field and
I was like, I know you're faster than that, Like,
what are you doing. She's like everybody's yelling at me.
They're all saying pass the ball, Pass the ball, Pass
the ball. And I had a cool little teaching opportunity
on the sideline there to be like, look, it's vital
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in sports that you were decisive because if you're choosing
when to pass the ball, like one, you can go
full speed and it's your choice.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Too.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
If somebody intercepts that ball, if it gets dropped, if
it's a bad pass, who's fault She's like, my, I go,
if you're just panicking and running slow and just throw
the ball up.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You know who's faulted. If you're not deciding to own
that decision, who's faulted. She's like nobody. And I was like, okay,
so who fixes it?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
She said nobody? And they said, all right, now take
that whole lesson and go do it in rugby and
remember that for life, because that's that's one of my
good ones.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's so true, though. Being decisive is so important. Man,
you you are better off. And all the gurus on
Twitter online that talk about this stuff, like the Alex R.
Moses and all the you know, the all the people
that basically teach this, they all say the same thing.
You're better off making any choice, even if it's the
wrong choice, then getting paralyzed by no choice. You know,
one thing that I think I do pretty well is
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I pivot off my choices really fast. I'll make a decision.
You know, if I'm going the wrong way, I always
go to the next direction, like I'm not attached to
that and so it helps me a lot, because when
I mean it can hurt me in like dating and
things like that, you end up where I'm at. But
but in other parts of life it's actually really valuable,
you know, because you don't get stuck in a spot
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and you're not afraid of making bad decisions. I had
one of the gifts of my life, dude, was when
I was in my early twenties, I did a couple
of businesses. I did a TV show, I had a
door to door meat selling business.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I had a Christmas light business.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I did all these things, and to be honest, they
all failed financially. But what was cool was is everybody
where I went, people would be giving me accolades for
all these things I was doing, and they thought it
was so cool. So even though financially they were failures,
and I knew that, I saw how it like, people
were not impressed, but I guess you just respected me
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for it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And so I got rewarded for my failures, which is
a very rare thing to get. Most people don't.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And so my quote unquote failures, right, and so I
kind of fell in love with this idea of like, oh,
it's fine to fail like so many people get so
afraid to fill and dude, I'm telling you, I got
my first seven or eight things I tried. I lost
my ass and it didn't matter. Everybody was like, Jimmy's
like really going for me? Look how cool this is.
Look we just met. Look at this, and I was
enjoying it. It was like, you know, and all of
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a sudden, you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of failure,
and that's some people are like, how do you just
go for it? And like that's it. It just I
got rewarded for failing early on. And so one of
my favorite stories I've read was Sarah Blakely. She's the
first ever self made billionaire woman and she invented spinks,
married did Jesse Tzler, and her dad every day she
came from school would ask her, what did you fail
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at today? It's such a good question, dude. We're so
afraid of like failing or looking bad. And you know,
on the football field, if you're afraid to like make
a mistake, you're screwed, just like your daughter.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But if you can just send it, nobody wants to
play against that person. They're a menace, you.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Know, that's interesting, man, we talked about this. I think
it was like the first time we really talked was
on a walk and I was telling you about all
of my freaking investment failures.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Dude, our stories kind of parallel each other.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, for so long, I was like so embarrassed about
these failures, and I'm like, man, am I stupid? Like
I feel like I got a good ahead on my shoulders,
but like you said, I kind of wear those like
a badge of honor now because it was the training ground.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Man, Like it just sucks that you have to learn
those lessons that way. Yeah, but man, you learn them, yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
And you learn that Like for me, it was like
a money lesson, like not even how to use money,
but just like the.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Attachment you have to it, Like for me is are.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You really gonna let money be the reason why your
entire demeanor is down, why you're so stressed while you're
not showing up in other areas? Are you really going
to tie money to all of those things? Because you
don't need money to work out and stay in shape,
Like you don't need money to hang out with your
kids and.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Be a good dad. You don't need money to do a.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Lot of things, and it was a good lesson and
I really learned, like how to have peace in the storm.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, I mean, what's that lesson? Worth a lot? But
probably whatever you spend on the on the investment, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's fortunately it was worth.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It was worth a little lot.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I was actually hanging out with some guys the other
day and it was interesting. One of the guys brought
up is, I don't think some of you guys have
ever realized how difficult it's been to like be in
around so many guys that are succeeding financially when you're not.
And he was talking about that, and I'd never really
considered the thought of how much it was driving his
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own behaviors, but he said it forced like it caused
him not not want to go for it.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
In other ways, not want to date.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
He thought he wasn't worthy of going after a girlfriend
until he got his finances in order. And you see
these stupid tweets and things like that that will say like,
you know, if you are broke, you have no business
dating or things like that, and it's like, well, no,
Like the worst thing you can do is attach your
self worth to financial situation, right, because it's so different
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for everybody. Anyways, what's a lot of money to one
person isn't to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And so I think ultimately.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Though, it's I always say, if your biggest problem is financial,
that's a good thing because that's the easiest one to
fix it.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Really is a formula. You learn something that.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Pays, you learn how to do it well, and then
you do it a lot. Like that's literally how you
make money. That's it, and there's so many ways to
do that. That's how you get rich as a Doctor's
how you get rich as a Lawyer's how you get
rich as a salesperson. That's how you get rich, is anything,
and so it's literally a science. The art of fulfillment
is much more difficult. That's like how do you be happy?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Right, how do you have find fulfillment in your life?
And that's much much more difficult to figure out.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
And I think that's what I figured out in the
freaking fire. Like going back to my story getting out
of the NFL, having a marriage that you know, we
were in a rough patch. Man, we got married super young.
You have no idea how to communicate. I had no
idea what vulnerability was. I had no idea what empathy was.
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So she was going to stuff and I'm like this
meathead football player, like, why are you crying?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Get over it. You don't cry, dude, Come on.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But God, bless God, bless her for staying with you.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I'm all right, love me as thank you. Yeah. We
were going through it and then uh, at one at
one point we had two people.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Passing our family. My my wife's little brother passed away
in an ATV accident. They were on a family vacation
and he took a corner a little too fast and
rolled literally.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Rolled in a TV. Dude almost broke my back doing that.
I'd go to the hospital that same thing. I was
trying to turn too quick on an ATV come down
a hill. I don't think people realize how quickly they
flip and how aggressive it is. I thought I broke
my back. I couldn't move for twenty minutes, dude, like I.
It was scared that ship. It was like a month
before my mission. I thought I was paralyzed. Dude, Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
It was really traumatic. Man. That was really heavy.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
For she there on the vacation.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
She was there, I was here.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's the hard part is like our marriage wasn't in
a good place, and I didn't want to go on
the family trip, so I stayed home regret that, and
she called me and I was out fishing with fly
fishing on the river by myself, and I remember I
got the call and I popped in the car and
just drove straight to Colorado where they were. And by
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the time I had showed up, he'd been life flighted
to the hospital and he'd already passed. And that was
that rocked our world. And you know, I was married
into the family. It's my brother in law. He was
like a brother to me. But you know, my mother
in law lost her son. She come home from a
vacation without her kid. My wife lost her brother, like
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that was completely unexpected. He's sixteen years old. So that's
actually where my son bo that's where he got his
name from. He was born right that same time. But yeah,
so we were mourning that my NFL dreams come to
an end. Shortly after that, one of my cousins passed away.
He had heart problems and he was twenty six. He
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was like my big brother growing up.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So that was just.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Boom boom boom. My like faith was just unraveling. I
had a lot of questions that wasn't getting answers for
that is the whole thing in its own So I.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Was just really depressed. Dude, it's a dark time.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
How'd you get out of it? Or I don't even
like saying get out of it anymore?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
By the way, I think like it's one of those
things that we learned to manage, and sometimes we manage
it so well that it feels like it has gone
away forever. But so I'm going to reframe that question,
say how did you learn to manage it well?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I didn't manage it well. What I did was I
suppressed all.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Feeling when there's the death of my brother in law
and my cousin. I think I cried one time for
probably five minutes. Why my tears, and I've just done
I prioritize really well, like in my mind or compartmentalized,
sorry wrong word. I compartmentalized really well, and it was
just out of sight, out of mind. So that's how
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I handled that. My marriage stuff, it was just like
it was an athlete. We don't quit. We just go, go, go,
go go, And so honestly we just survived like we
didn't resolve anything, and then there was just like this
black box of Trump trouble that we just we didn't
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touch like those we don't talk about these things. We
don't we don't go to these places like this is
off limits.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
What's crazy is our parents and grandparents they just did
that for their whole lives.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, they never got it fixed.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I I can look at my own parents and my
grandparents and that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
They just you just don't go there.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I've tried to go to places with my mom and
it does not go well.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And I've learned now, Jimmy, you no longer need to
go there.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Go get your healing somewhere else, and just love her
like no more trying to fix the past. She is
not going to understand the feelings that you need her to.
But because yes, because she's been able to, and God.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Bless her, she had to to survive, right.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Like, and I think I had to get a better
understanding of.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Why she had to do that. But that's what a
lot of them did did.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
They grew up in wars and depressions and freaking Your
brother goes to Vietnam and comes back some weirdo that
had to you know, shoot a bunch of people and
all this stuff like heavy shit.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I haven't had to deal with anything like that. You know.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
It's like, no, we have so many resources today to
yes to learn. Where there's social media, YouTube, like there's.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
A coach's breath, work, all the bath like you name it.
There's so many ways to get help or healing. Even dude,
I'll give you an example like of how it looks
from a healthy standpoint.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
My best friends, I mean cry.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
But yesterday came over and my buddy's wife was fourteen
months pregnant with a little girl and the baby lost
the heartbeat. And he came over and you know, and
he told me he's just balling, and I'm just hugging
him and holding him and his wife and you know,
our friends we've been check how I just came back
from over there again.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
But it's like we can just hold emotion and.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Not need to fix anything and not need to have
any expectation of anything. But like we know how to
help each other, we know how to work through feelings.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
We're all expressing. You know, today yesterday he was sad,
today he's angry.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
We're talking about their feelings and but we're like, we
have all these tools, We've been able to learn all
these things to like be able to in a healthy
way process this trauma that just happened, you know, And
so I don't know, I'm just grateful for it. I'm
grateful that. I mean, that's why I started the program.
It's like I want to help people like that don't
know how to open up their feeling I know how
I was shut off to that forever and like not
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be able to process these things. Like my favorite thing
about we or the day is you are truly safe
in that container to talk about stuff and to open
up your feelings and to be held in a way,
you know, more emotionally than physically. But like just to
have people like truly care and be able to honor
that for you, and it allows us to not have
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that black box hanging over our lives.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, well that's like what they're going through.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
That's beautiful that they're able to feel it because they
deserve to, Like they deserve to like mourn that, they
deserve to give themselves grace to to have people gather
around them to really feel and be heard, you know,
like when you suppress it, like you're not giving yourself
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what you need. And oh, sometimes you need a tantrum,
Sometimes you need a scream, sometimes you need to cry.
If you just suppress it, like I know, it seems
like the macho thing to do. You know, it seems
like you're avoiding the pain. But feeling the pain is
really a beautiful thing. Oh yeah, it's so necessary.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's one of the things I love about breath work.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I did a session two years ago May two years
ago with a guy one on one with my coach
at the times, Stefanos, and Dude, I had suppressed this
experience from my first high school girlfriend that I had
never allowed myself to fill. And I'm just balling as
I think about this experience. I'm literally balling for like
twenty minutes, dude. And it was like releasing and it
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was so healing. It was so good for me. And
I was able to just humanize how shitty I had been,
and how un empathetic i'd been right and how judgmental
i'd been of her and all these things. And I
was just like, oh my gosh, like God, bless her,
Like what a beautiful human And here I just wasn't
able to give her the love she needed. And you know,
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and I just I was just a dick. Like there's
nothing crazy. I just I just wasn't a good boyfriend.
But she was trying so hard. She would write me
a poem every day.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
She would like dress like purposely, like she would pay
attention to little as things. I said, she really loved
this shit out of me. And the reason why, I'll
just tell you the story real quick, but the reason
why I was such a dick to her is because
she kept trying to dry hump me, and like I
was so Mormon like that, I thought she was the devil.
And so she was from Seattle. She'd moved to Utah,
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and I called her Seattle slew. It's like the name
of a horse, and like we basically called her.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
A slot and all these things.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And all she was trying to do was literally love
this shit out of me, dude, And I hadn't thought
about that.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I'd never even like processed how shitty I was.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
And dude, and she literally really loved me, like and
I look back at it and I was just I
literally was just bawling.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Wish I could tell her, like how beautiful she is
as a human and she's got like six kids. I'm
not going to call her write a letter or something.
But the point of it was, that is something that
was locked up in me that I would and it
was took breathrough. I didn't know what I was in there,
and it just freaking came out and I just as
I humanized that whole thing, I was just like, oh
my gosh, But how many of those times in you know,
our parents' generation, would have they ever been able to
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process hurt and trauma and pain and all those things?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
They didn't. They just put it away.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah, but how cool of an awakening for you to
be able to view that the way you do now,
Like how much of the way we think, how much
of the problems that we have come from just programming,
Whether it's religion, whether it's our parents, whether it's society.
I don't know, it could be anything.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I know I was I thought in my mind I
was being righteous, you know what I mean. It was like,
that's wrong, I'm gonna make it bad. And gosh, dude,
like to look at it from another lens now you're rye.
I mean, it's just it's beautiful to be able to
just you know, change my view on that.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
It is wild, man, Like, it's just crazy how our
perception of the world is. It's just ours. Like I
don't know how to properly explain what I'm saying, but
like two people can be doing the exact same thing
have a completely different experience. I was trying to explain
this to my brother Tyson. You know, Tyson, we were
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at Beatos a couple of weeks ago. We playing golf
and went to Beatos and got burritos. I was like,
it's like this burrito, dude, It's just a burrito. Like
I can take a bite and think it's disgusting and
hate it and never come to this place again and
go write a bad review, and my reality is really
negative towards this. You could take a bite of the
same burrito and think it was the best burrito ever,
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and this is your new spot. Like, our perception of
things is one hundred percent. That that controls our actions,
that controls our reality, how we feel, how we do things,
And so it's wild to think, like in your story here,
you thought you were the good guy.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I did. I was so right. Yes, I forgot to
put the self before that word.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
But you look at it from another lens and you're like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I know.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I was like, oh, I'm the villain in my story. Well,
I've had so many times where I thought I was
so right, dude. I had one not that long ago
where you know, me and my brother had a beef
for a couple of years and bro for the first
about year and a half, I was one hundred.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Percent sure he was the asshole.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
And then I dude again in breath work, actually it
came to me and I'm like, oh my gosh, he
is loving me in a way that no one else could.
And I'm like, and I saw his beauty of all
that how he was doing it, and it was like
I had this new respect where I just had to
give him prop So I'm like, he's so far advancing him.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I've had every coach in training and mastermind the world.
I don't know shit.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I'm like, he just loves in a way that I
am not capable yet. And it was so cool and
it's like just changed my whole perspective on it. And
so anyway, but yeah, I mean, well here's an eye
opening thing. Like every single person that we know sees
a different version of us, Like every single person we
know sees us differently, which is wild to think about, right,
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And so whatever we focus on, we feel that's that
Tony Robbinson again.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
And so it's like, what do you want to focus on?
Speaker 1 (44:53):
You want to focus on the people that don't like
you want to focus on people that don't understand, you know,
like you have to learn to shut those people out,
you know, like really pouring to the people that make
you feel feel good.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
It goes back to what you're saying earlier, like you
get to choose your experience if you will, Like it's
all your choice. And I remember I used to hear
guys like Tony Robbins say that and different people.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Say it on social media. Know my story is this
guy talking about you can choose what I'm pissed, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
But then I guess what I've learned through all that
stuff I went through is and maybe framing it this
way helped. But like, what's the point of all of this?
Like what do we know for certain? Like that we
are here, we exist, that we feel emotions, and that
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we like to experience happy things, right, we like to
experience things that feel good. If that's the point, is
just experiencing, then why don't we just choose to experience
the good things? And if they're hard, why don't we
choose to put a spin on it that makes it
something good? Why don't we choose to make a lesson
out of it or to see the mirror what what
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you need to learn out of the situation instead of
be a victim to it. That's the only way to
frame it in my mind.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
That's like, yeah, I know, but this is a secret
to life, dude. Like you get to a point where
there's no bad days, there's just learning moments.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
You this is gonna be something. I'm I don't like.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
This, but you know we're gonna take something away from this.
One thing I love that Tony does again is when
people get into that victim mindset, you know, and kind
of to what you were just saying, he goes, Hey,
you can be a victim. He's like, how does that
serve you? Like, how is that helping you? Because it doesn't.
So you can keep that mindset, you can feel like
a victim. Sure like people, he goes, people will fight
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so hard.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
For their story.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
They want so bad to be that in that spot
and it's like that's great. And the harder you fight
for your story, the more you get to keep it. Yeah,
but like ultimately, you know, it's one of my favorite quotes.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's like, well, if you're so smart, why aren't you happy?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
So it's like you can be smart or feel this
way or what else it might be, But ultimately, how
are you choosing to look at.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Things so that you can live in a peaceful state?
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Well that's such a big concept in general, Like peaceful
state I think is one aspect of it. But the
story you tell yourself in your head is that makes
your reality. Like I truly believe that time and space
will meet you at whatever story you're telling yourself in
your head, if it's a victim one, you're going to
continue to get things that put you as a victim.
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My favorite people to think about with this is people
that I played football with, the great ones that I
played football with, and for a long time, like there
was probably jealousy around how good they didn't you know,
ego tight in there when we were playing together, and
then since playing I got to become their fans.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Because I saw how they worked.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
So I mean, you know, like Fred and Fred Warner
and Kylevin Noy Manti Tetle, Like, these are all guys
that at one time I played.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I've had all three on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Hell yeah, but I'm walking with a good crew.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Then yeah, I got you.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
But these are guys that I've been able to watch.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
How they prepare, and I've been able to watch their mentality.
And let me tell you what, Kyle, Fred and Manti
whether and they can. I'd love for them to confirm
this for me, but just from my examination of them
and watching them do the thing they did, they knew
they were going to be great a long time before
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everybody else did. Fred walked with a confidence that was
I'm the best guy in this room. I'm the smartest
player in this room. I make the biggest plays in
this room. Kyle did the same thing, Manti did the
same thing. Since we were kids. Like that story repeated
over and over and over and over again for years
and years and years and years. That's why they're so
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freaking good. And like, I can look at myself and
my story was I was going to go to the NFL.
I told myself down my head the whole time, and
it was just like this goal of making it to
the NFL. Well, I did, and that's all I got, you.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Know what I'm saying. So I really think that's maybe
that's like total anecdotal list.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
No, well, it's everything, dude.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Everything that we create in our reality was first created
in our heads. And if you don't believe that you
deserve something, if you don't believe that you're the best
of something, if you don't really deserve that you can
do something, it's not going to happen. I'm helping a
buddy with something right now, dude. And I've just told him.
I was like, Dude, this is happening because we've already
decided it. Now it's just figuring out which route is
going to get us there. And I'm going to keep
fire and ballets. Tell this gun's empty, dude. We're going
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to figure this out and it's it'll be like the
greatest I can't even say what it is yet, but
it'll be like the greatest chapter of the.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Book of my life.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
If I can even be a small part of helping this.
And uh, And I just told him, I said, d
you just count on it. I promise you. Somehow. I
don't know how this is happening and anyway, it's another
story for another day.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
But but that is the mindset you have to have.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
And just having that mindset, by the way, there's like
ten things that like you could be like this might
be able to help him. Five them have already happened,
Like it's happening gun to my head today. If it
works or not, I would say yes, if you you know.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
So it's like I don't know. I just believe that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I've seen it too many times in my own life
when you know and people you'll look back and you're.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Like, how the hell did I pull that off? But
you just believed you could.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Well, And I'm starting to learn like when you when
there's a purpose and it's clear, I mean, this is
like think and grow rich. The first time I read
that book, I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
The hell does that mean? I read it a couple
of times, but like.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
If there's a purpose, if you can visualize it clearly
and there's passion surrounding it and emotions surrounding it, Like, dude,
the stuff you're a walking testament of it. Man, A
lot of the stuff you've created, I don't think you
knew what it was going to be when you started
creating it, but you had a passion and you had
a purpose and you knew what that was and it
was powered by emotion. And look at what like you
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you're changing lives. The ripple effect of that is massive,
Like look what you've done with real estate. Look what
you're doing and you know, we won't get into it,
but look what you're doing now, Like it's pretty freaking amoment.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
There's actually dude, I actually learned that formula from Again
I'm quoting Tony way too much on this podcast, but dude,
I just that guy has figured everything out. But he
has this assistant called the RPM, the rapid Planning Method.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Have you heard of this?
Speaker 1 (51:14):
And it's basically what you just said to the t
He said, you first, you figure out what you want
to do, like get clear, like this is what I'm
trying to do. He said, then you have to create
the emotion behind it. The why right, really create emotion
because you.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Don't have emotion. That's a car with no gas, Like
you have to truly fill that thing up every day
with emotion.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
And he said, then you literally just map it out
with a massive action plan, like you very detailed what
you're going to do, and then you just start working
the plan because you have the emotion attached to it,
you don't mind working the plan if you work the
plan long enough. Some plans take a month, some take
a day, some take ten years. But you work that plan,
you do get the result that you want well.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
And then I think that's where faith comes in. And
like growing up the way I did, like I always
thought faith was just believing things you can't see, you know, God, faith,
But I've learned now faith is taking that action plan
and just not worrying about the how, but trusting that
(52:15):
those actions, that intent, that's enough and then the things
are just gonna fall into place.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
And they freaking do. It's the most wild thing they
freaking do do.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Man, It's crazy how often they do. Dude, I had
a cool moment two weeks ago. I was with our
sixth group down in the lake pow of we or
that they are sixth the leadership group, and your two
brothers are in it. You got them both in appreciate
that course and dude, they we do this exercise where
we the last night to have everybody around the fire,
all fifty guys, and everybody takes a turn. We honor
(52:45):
somebody in our life that's been our biggest mentor or helper,
a person that just saw us or whatever, just the
person that we want to honor in that circle, and
then you tell us about them, and then we all
say their name kind of just in an energetic thing
to send them love into the circle. And both your
brothers said you, man, just so you know, you make
a very profound I think a lot of those challenges
you went through a lot more people were probably watching
(53:07):
and watching.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
How you handled that, how you came out on the
other side of.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
That, how your relationship is now with your kids and
your wife and everything you're doing. And so it's one
of the reasons I know you're just more than you
probably realized. Dude, you're just a natural leader. And so
I just thought you'd like to hear that.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, I appreciate you telling me, Man that, Uh, that
means a lot to me. Those guys are I don't know.
I think ever since I was little, that's been my
biggest roles, being a big brother.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
You know what a cool world.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
So I'm the youngest of five brothers, so I'm on
the other end of that, so I know how much
heilicup tall. My brothers, dude, and my life got so
much easier and so much better because of those brothers.
I got a buddy, my buddy Chris, and uh, he
had more talent than any of us in baseball. His
first time he tried to bench press as a sophomore
high school, he threw up three ten. He was the
fastest guy on the team, who's built like a freaking
(53:55):
middle linebacker in the NFL, and he ended up I
think his sophomore year he hit like eleven home runs,
like first team all Steak got invited to one of
the three guys from Utah to.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Go the National Showcase.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Anyway, long story short, a senior year, he barely played
and I asked him one time, like, you know, because
he just didn't have anyone to help him, and he said, gosh, dude,
I just needed an older brother. And he's like, I
needed someone that had been before, Like nobody took this
dude under his wing. Our baseball coaches sucked and so like.
Unfortunately he didn't have anybody to show him how to
do it. He actually got too big lifting and he
(54:26):
lost his flexibility. And as a baseball player, you have
to be able to and so all these things that
kind of he punched a wall and broke his hand.
It's just a couple of them, but like he didn't
have older brothers, man, and like that day has never
been like when he said that, he's like, I just
wish I had little brothers. He's like people that could
have shown me the path. So kind of cool.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Yeah, it's interesting as you're telling me that, I just
I realized, like, yeah, it would have been nice to
have a little brother making some of these mistakes and
guided me.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
But I think I think I've taken pride in that role.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Like you get to beat in the hard way.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I'll make the mistakes. I'll take the beating. I'll do
what and yeah, it's part of being a brother.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Like I'm not gonna let you guys make the same mistake.
That's why I put them both in wat is because
especially Tyson, my youngest brother, he's like twenty five, single,
good looking dude, just life of the party, has no
real responsibility yet. Sorry Tyson, it's still awesome, but he
(55:24):
asked me, and I really like, I think my favorite
thing is that my brothers trust me, and that means
everything to me. I'll never do anything to I'll never
do anything to ruin that. But they trust me and
they come to me for advice and that's super meaningful.
And he came to me and he started making some
money and he's like, hey, what do I invest in?
And I was in the middle of losing.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
My ass on that investment. I was like, don't ever
ask me that question again. I will tell you.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
I would recommend go invest in yourself. And like, I'm
part of Jimmy's group. I've loved it. It's helped me
in a bunch of ways. If it you know, if
that calls to you, then jumping this one with me.
If not, then go find something else. But spend that
money on.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
You and figure out the great advice.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
And he's like, all right, set me up on a
call of Jimmy and I had worn him too. I
was like, you know, I don't tell this to everybody,
but Jimmy's a fucking salesman. Dude, like like, if you
get on this call, he will close you, So make
sure this is what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
He calls me like twenty minutes later, he's like, he
closed me.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
But it's actually it's such an easy pitch. Because I
believe so struggling it, you know, So it's just like
obviously yeah, actually like I don't.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
I mean I've said you probably I don't know five
or six people.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, yeah, But every.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Time I'm on the phone with them, I'm like, look,
I'm just going to tell you my story and you
can choose what you want to do, and then it
sells itself. There's not even a sells pitch. I mean
maybe once or twice I've been like, what if it's
not good, what.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Do you lose a couple of bucks? Like you'll make
it back to take the risk. No, but it's yes.
I really appreciate what you've created.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
It's super meaningful and it's making a big difference in
a lot of people's lives.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Thanks, brother, Well.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
I appreciate the way you show up man, and the
way you help just elevate everybody in your life. So
for people that want to follow you or whatever's your
what's your Instagram or.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
Yeah, my Instagram is just my name Sietao Tou thirty one,
it's really all I got.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
It is Instagram.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
That's good. That's all you need these days. Bro, Well,
I appreciate you a game and this was fun.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Love you brother, Hey, I love you too, Man. Appreciate
you havving me on.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Thank you again for listening to the Jimmy Rex Show
and if you liked what you heard, please like and subscribe.
It really helps me to get better guests, to be
able to get the type of people on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
It's going to make it the most interesting.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Also, wanted to everybody about my podcast studio, The Rookery Studios,
now available in Salt Lake City and or in Utah.
If you live in Utah and want to produce your
own podcast, we take all of the guests, work out
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(58:04):
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