#648 - Ian Wendt - Founder "Patriot" Gear Exposes Israels Blackmail Of America - The Jimmy Rex Show

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Jimmy Rex Show.
Today on the podcast, I have a special episode you guys.
This is one that I was super pumped to get
out to you guys. I interviewed the founder of Patriot Gear.
He's also the founder of The Ian Wentz Show, a
podcast that you should all subscribe to. But Ian's a
close friend of mine and somebody that has really been
doing a lot of research the last four or five years.
He shares these long form videos on his Instagram and

(00:26):
really just exposes a lot of the issues of today
that people don't want to talk about. And I want
to have an episode. He recently had Ian Carroll on
his podcast, who talks a lot about Israel and everything
that's going on there, and I wanted to sit down
with Ian when and go over exactly what's going on.
How come it feels like we have an occupied country,
and how come Trump is making more decisions for Israel

(00:47):
first over America first? And what is really going on
with our politicians in this country? And so me and
I go into it. We go into it for a
couple hours here shared this podcast with his audience as well,
and just super pumped to share this with you, guys,
I think you're going to learn a lot about this.
If you've been wanting to learn more about what issues
we face as a country, is America specifically pertaining to

(01:07):
Israel and what's going on with Donald Trump right now
and some of these other things with Epstein and what
else is out there, then this is going to be
the episode you're gonna want to listen to. So, without
further ado, let's get to the show with Ian Went.
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
Hepe.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Everybody, Welcome to the Ian Went Show. I have an awesome,
awesome guest today, and Jimmy and I have actually been
friends for dude, how long we've been friends? Long for
at least a decade? Yeah, yeah, long, long time, long
before we did anything the things that we do now.
So it's been kind of cool to see how things
have come full circle. But anyway, Jimmy and I have

(02:09):
been communicating for the last little bit. I mean we've
always talked, but like more recently about everything that's going on.
And you just hit me up the other day. It
was like, hey, like I want to come up and
talk and so thanks for making the trip, dude, I
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, Well it's you know, it's interesting. I have a
pretty decent sized audience, and I started speaking out about
some things. I mean, I've been speaking out since COVID, Right,
that's where we really became friends because we were two
of the first people speaking out loudly against COVID. We
put ourselves out there a little bit. And you know,
it's funny because like truth is truth, but it's for
whatever reason, it's really hard for people to see through well,

(02:43):
and not for some reason. I mean, there's a lot
of programming and a lot of people that are very
good at marketing and the messages they want people to believe.
And when you see other people that get it, that
see through the bullshit, you kind of gravitate towards them
and I've, you know, with everything going on honestly, like
it started obviously a couple of years ago, but it's

(03:04):
really turned up since Trump got into office, and I've
just been super disappointed with a lot of the things
that have been happening with our country, mostly to do
with him in his cabinet. And so as I've been
speaking out, people are like, what the heck Jimmy was
like the biggest Trump supporter. Jimmy was, you know, and
I was always maggot. I was truly America first. I
love this country, like I'm in your office here with
the American stuff everywhere in the Patriots, like the Sons

(03:25):
of Liberty or my boys, dude, like I freaking flew
an American flag above my bed as a child. And
so for me, it does I don't care who is
in charge. I don't care who I have to fall.
I would be the biggest Obama fan of all time
if he was the one leading the country in the
right direction. I don't care. Like for me, it's about America.
And so I as I started speaking out a little bit,

(03:45):
It's funny because now so many people are waking up,
so much of this stuff is starting to become a
little bit more obvious, and I wanted to be able
to have something to share with people where you know,
they can really deep dive if they want to get
their feet wet in what's going on, because it's really fun.
I've had, you know, when I first started speaking about this,
even I was at a bachelor party with some friends

(04:08):
in March and start speaking out about a couple of things,
and I had a friend come at me pretty hard
over some of my Israel takes and he started calling
me all the names, the anti semi or I can't
believe your hater and everything else. And it was funny
because he now sends me all these memes and reals
all the time.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
He's he woke up from his racist from his racist
social media.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, and it was. He sent me one the other
day and he said, I cannot believe how wrong I
was and how right you were, bro. But I just
want to be able to have stuff to be able
to share. I've decided that we live in a world
where you know, with what happened last week, you see
more and more. But what it's going to do is
it's gonna people are gonna either wake up and we're
gonna be able to take the country back. We are
an occupied nation right now, and we either make that
happen or we don't. And I'm like, you know what,

(04:50):
that's where I'll put my time and attention. That's where
I'm gonna put a lot of my efforts. And so, yeah,
I wanted to come up and just you explain a
lot of things a lot better than I do. I
am very well studied in this now, but I don't
talk about it so much as you know, in the details.
And so I want to have this conversation where you
can really go deep on some of these topics that
people have no idea.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's true, man, Yeah, I mean well said. And I
think you know, you said something interesting. You said that
people are unwilling to see what's or are unable to
see what's going on. I actually think it's the opposite.
I think that most people are unwilling to I think
they I think they don't want to see the truth
because especially because once you see the truth, it comes

(05:30):
with a responsibility, like it's just how it is.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, it's like the red pill, bluebook. Yeah, a real question.
It's a real thing. Yes, some people just rather take
the blue.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Pill because it literally comes with the responsibility that now
that I know this, especially if you're a father or
if you have anybody that you're like that you care for,
like you immediately feel this need. And that's what happened
to me in twenty twenty is that, like I became
a father, I knew what was going on. I saw
the riots for what they were, you know, and I mean,
you know, dude, like we knew each other back then too.
I didn't have a massive platform, but I had a

(05:59):
pretty decent one sales space, Like people knew me and
I had built something fairly decent. And you know, it
was the risk of like you're gonna either burn this
all to the ground and you're an idiot because you've
done this for how long, or you know it's going
to be the opposite. And I didn't know what to expect,
but I was. It was kind of just like it
doesn't matter, like like I know what's going on and

(06:19):
I have to say something about it.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's the same way I feel. It's like the truth
just matters to me, Like I have to do this
even if I want.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
You can't live with yourself be quiet and shut.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Up, and you know, we know, like all the people
i'd respect from history are the ones that put themselves
out there. It's it's all the movies that inspire you.
It's all the people in the history books that I mean,
who knows if history is real or not, but you
know there to talk about that. The stories that inspire
you are the ones where people had to put themselves
out there and it usually meant losing their life or
at least a peaceful life in that point.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, why did you want to you know, cause your
real estate right like real estate, you run a men's group.
What why do you want to talk about everything specifically
right now?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well? I think again, I think we have a responsibility
as men to take our country back. I think we'ren
occupied country. That's my number one take right now. And
most people don't know that, they don't understand what's going on.
And if we don't expose it, if we don't talk
about it, if we don't fix it, it's gonna get
much worse before anything changes. And I do think that
we can. You know, that's the thing that I'm optimistic about.

(07:20):
This is the thing that gives me hope is we've
been occupied for a very long time. I mean close
to a century, i'd say, and ultimately it's just now
people are starting to wake up to and see it.
And so I just want to be able to be
part of the group that says, you know what, in
spite of what could come at me because of this,
because they'll try to, you know, tarnish your reputation. They're
going to try to throw you in jail. Then then they'll

(07:41):
try to kill you. It doesn't matter. I just feel
like it's that important. And so for me, being a
leader of men, this is the number one way I
could think to lead right now is to you know,
be on the forefront of just helping people understand what's
going on and how they can you know, take the
country back.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
So obviously I have my own opinions on this and
everything too, and I think one of the greatest things
about this conversation is going to be weird. Definitely not
going to agree on everything. There's going to be a
lot of nuance. But that's honestly how it should.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Be when I don't want to be around people they
agree with everything. Yeah, my pretty best friends are pretty
liberal actually, like literally they've been friends with me since
I was twelve and It's funny because you know, when
Charlie got killed, and I have my opinions of some
of the things, and I put them and I had
two of them call me and be like, dude, and
then we had a conversation. We both got to a
level ground where it was like, oh, I see why

(08:26):
you did that now. But I love that actually happens.
I truly love and respect each other.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Right, you can always find common ground, totally, but always
I cling to these guys because they ground me.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
They helped me see angles I'm not seeing. They helped
me sometimes have empathy where I don't, and you know,
and it's like, I don't push myself away from them.
I cling tighter to them, and I love them for
the role they play in my life. I don't need
everyone to see the world the same as me. I like, well,
and I will say this to their credit. Two of
them got vaccinated during COVID and both of them came
back and said, dude, I was wrong, you were right,

(08:57):
And so like, I help them see things they're not seeing,
and we are able to be that for each other.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, as well said same with me. I have a
lot of friends that are in the exact same boat.
So I want to go back to where you said.
You said, we're an occupied country, So I have my
own opinions about that. That's obviously a very strong statement.
It's a very you know, it carries a lot of
weight with it. Why do you believe that, specifically that
we are quote unquote the word occupied.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Because if we truly were America first, we would be
putting our country first. And based on the decisions being
made by Trump's cabinet, by the last five presidents at least,
probably more is more, But basically since Kennedy, they've made
decisions that weren't America first. And when you start seeing
why they're doing it and the people that benefit from
them doing it, you realize who's pulling the strings. And like,

(09:47):
as a kid, you just always assumed the president of
the United States was in charge, our Congress and our Senate,
we're the ones that were making the decisions, and then
you see that they're not. And once you see it,
it gets really scary because like, oh my gosh, it
was like when Biden was president, it was kind of
scary for a minute because you're like, wait, who's running
the country. It's clearly not him. He has Alzheimer's like
he's not there. He's like, literally, uh, a cors so

(10:09):
who's running the country. And then you start seeing that
one country has all the influence on every single member
of his cabinet, and you go, oh, that's who's running
the country. And they literally tank it so badly so
that you could get in their next shill, who happened
to be President Trump unfortunately, and all of a sudden,
Trump is ushering in these things that we never little
would have let a Democrat get away with. And so
I say, we're occupied, because it doesn't matter if it's

(10:32):
a Democrat or a Republican. Like Trump was supposed to
be the guy that wasn't bought. He was the guy
that ran on you know when he called out Bush
and he was like, he just demolished him and talked
about him being bought by all his donors. And that
turns out Trump's worse and all them. And then he
gets into office and he's just doing these things that like,
we would have never let a democratic president get away with.
But people are just going well along with it because

(10:53):
they don't know. And it's very clear to me that
Trump is not in charge of the country. And that's
a scary freaking proposition.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I would My question, I guess is like it's always
it's always been this, It's always been Have they ever
actually been in charge of the country any president ever?
I would like to I mean, have they ever actually
been like the one that has.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
The keys, well, the president plus the Senate and the
collus like America was in charge of America though it
was like the we at least knew what we thought,
We knew who it was making those decisions. And I
would stand to argue that it did used to mean
something to be the president. Yes, like they had certain powers.
I mean you can look back at big decisions like now,
I would say the president has more power than ever

(11:36):
because they use the executive uh you know, they use
the executive uh yeah, like never before. And they're just
like they're just basically doing things that unfortunately in the
past they wouldn't do because they were too worried about
it looking very obvious that they were going against you know,

(11:56):
constitutional rights.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I am. It's it's funny because like with Biden,
for me, it was I was very very outspoken about
the fact that it very much seemed like all the
lobbies for Ukraine and the Ukraine Russia war and all
that stuff, like so much of our tax dollars were
going to Ukraine. What's really funny to me, though, is
it's it's too where, it's too too Uh. It's one bird,

(12:19):
two wings, right, two wings of the same bird. Because the
same people that were so outspoken about Ukraine in the past,
the same people that were you know, freaking out because
our senators had Ukraine flags flying outside of their office
in DC, those same people, Now, what are they doing
flying israelly fly? They're flying Israel first, Well.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
They were even then.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah. And what's what's even more interesting to me with
that is, well.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
By the way, it's like half the things we fought
for as conservatives, Trump's cabinet is like reversing. Like we
just saw Pam Bondi come out and she wants to
make it illegal that these people don't want to print
Charlie Kirk's name. Look, we fought that battle as conservatives
already about the whole kickshit and like, if you don't
want to do it, don't do it. That's part of
you know, your rights.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
We should actually bring that up, dude, We should bring
up that.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
My point is is like Trump's cabinet has done twenty
of these things. Dude, he just keeps doing it, like,
don't get me starting pollintar and then you start talking
about like his you know, relationship to Larry Ellison, which
oh my gosh, by the way, that's full control of
TikTok now, so.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Ellison, yeah, oh yeah, Well, I mean it's not even
just that. Dude. What's the name of the lady that
I'm trying to think of, the name of the lady
that took over all the community guidelines of TikTok Uh.
It's a she's former not only former Israeli, she's former
IDF and she let's see where is it I'm gonna

(13:40):
find I'm just looking up Pam Bondi's thing because I
definitely want to pull that up. I haven't even talked
about that yet because I saw it and I was like,
oh great, this is another well.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Do they just they're literally And this is why I
say Trump is so dangerous because he's ushering all of
these totalitarian things, like dude, putting the army in the
military in the cities, like all these things like I'm sorry,
but kicking people out of the country that have green
cards because they're speaking out against is there. They're not
even speaking out against America, they're speaking out against Israel,

(14:07):
and they're literally kicking them over the country and you know,
punishing the kids that were going to Harvard and everything else,
Like this is an attack on the freedoms that we've
been fighting for since we were born.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, and it's it's interesting too because it's like, is
this is this actually the authoritarian state coming in? And
you know what sucks is it's like, are all of
us who voted for him the useful idiots?

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
We are? Well, yes, freaking we are. The thing. I
actually think the people in charge they made Biden look
so bad so that we would vote Trump because they
knew by having the opposition be Trump, sorry, no, by
having the opposition be Trump, they could usher in all
these things that we never would have gone for. Dude,
can you imagine a Democrats started doing some of these
things that Trump's doing. There's no way we all would
have been yet because the patriots would have stood up.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Well, and that's the thing that's the hypocrisy, And.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
They're not right now, they're like they're forgetting because they're
blind by Trump. And so, dude, I've had friends. I
had the first three friends. It was last weekend, the
first three that said, Bro, you were right about Trump.
You were the first one I saw speaking out against him.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
So do you find that your friends, well, this is
a question, though, do you find that your friends are
more defending Trump because of just Trump or because of
their ties religiously and ideologically to Israel. Because let's just
be honest.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh, I don't think people. I don't think the average
person knows enough about Israel well under thirty that nobody
supports Israel. Dude, here's what's awesome. So I have a
buddy that's high up in the military. They've caught on.
This is why it's so dangerous that they're buying TikTok
because they can change the programming. Again, this is where
people are getting their messaging. That's why they shut down TikTok.
Everyone knows that. But I have a buddy. He's very

(15:38):
high up in the military. This dude is special ops,
Like don't even know where he's at half the time,
Like super high up in the military. And we're on
this group thread. It's my best friend since we were
in high school. And he said he had to go
fight in this war. When we were going into Iran,
he was going to do some stuff. I said, please
do not die for Israel. And he's like, what do
you mean? And we have and I kind of just

(16:01):
gave a brief like round my mouth a little, and
the other eight friends getting ready to go to I
friends on the threader are like, Jimmy, what the hell, dude.
But then, to his credit, he called me. He goes, hey,
what's the thing with Israel? He has no idea, dude,
most people don't he and he's high up in the military.
He goes, there are our friend I go, bro, I go,
you need to start reaching. I sent him a couple

(16:21):
podcasts Ian Carroll and some mechanos so on, a couple
of other things, checking out s and it was funny.
He called me the next day he goes, dude, crazy
that you mentioned that. My son, who's in high school,
just told me the same thing tonight. He goes, Dad,
I don't think Israel is a good guys his son,
who's sixteen. So the younger generations getting Oh, there's no
question about it.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
The amount of dms that I get every single day
that are like my son or my daughter has been
telling me this and I haven't listened. But because I
follow you now, I'm starting to see it. I'm starting
to sext You're starting to make sense, like it's crazy.
I'm going to play this clip really quick. So this
is Pam BONDI for any of you guys that haven't
seen I think most people have, but let's just play
it really quick for context.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
No place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie
in our society.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people,
So we show them that some action is better than
no action.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you
are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, And that's across
the aisle.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
There's free speech and then there's hate speech. That's the part.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
That's the part right there. This is crazy. So like,
because you're right, we fought this already. I fought this
for years of every time I talked about COVID, or
every time I talked about BLM, or every time I
voiced any opinion that went against the official narrative that
the current political party was touting, and the media was
touting that was considered hate speech.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's a very dangerous slippery slope because who decides what
hate speech is? And it's interesting. Tucker Carlson actually just
did a video. It's his most recent one, and it
was awesome. I don't know if you've seen it yet,
but he he broke this down. He talked in a
way where it just it made so much sense to me.
He basically said that, first of all, Charlie Kirk, everything

(18:16):
she just said goes completely against everything that Charlie Cook
stood for. Because even though Charlie Kirk had his own opinions,
and even though they were strong, he won hundred percent
opposed any kind of what's the sort I'm looking for?
Kind Yeah, taking freak speech from anybody, no matter what
they were doing.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I have to like what you say, but I support
your right to say it.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And he even to the point where he would even
shut people up in the crowd and make them stop,
you know, making fun of him and yelling at him.
Give him respect, let him talk, let them share their
their opinions.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
And what Tucker said was freedom like free speech and
hate speech. There there's literally no difference hate speech and
speech it's all speech. It's all free speech. And he said,
what did he say? He goes, if you tell somebody
that they cannot express their opinion or their beliefs, what
you are, in essence doing is saying that they are

(19:10):
not a human being. You are taking away their worth
as a human being. You're saying you're not good enough.
In my eyes, Yeah, it's not worthy, right, And he
said that is wholly wrong. I mean, you can't do
anything that is worse than that, because it basically dehumanizes someone.
And it was really interesting listening to him say that,

(19:33):
and it made so much sense to me, especially based
on everything that's happened with Charlie, because dude, this CHICKPAMBONDI, like,
I'll tell you what that she's been one of the
most annoying things to me because it just seems like
she doesn't Number One, she doesn't know what the hell
she's doing, which isn't a surprise because our government doesn't
know what the hell they're doing. Number Two, how many
times has she said something that's just like either a

(19:56):
complete lie or she just has no clue what's actually
going on. Actually, files are on my desk, What are
you talking about? There on your desk. Okay, then where
are they? Well, now they're in the trucks, okay, and
now we're going through them. And then she's the one
that gave the freaking influencers a bunch of binders that
were far more redacted, by the way.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And I actually think they're purposely putting useful idiots in
these positions cash Ptel and pound bondy, so that when
they screw things up, like the Charlie Kirk investigation, which
has been completely botched a hundred different ways, they can
just blame it on the useful idiots. So they put
somebody in that we clearly can see is incompetent, and
then it's just like, oh, we just had the wrong
person in office. And unfortunately it's almost like an excuse.

(20:37):
Like I had a guy that I owed me a
bunch of money and he wouldn't give us the books
of what was going on. They were behind on opening
this restaurant, all these other things, and all he kept
saying is we fired our CFO. We can't get to
the books. And it kind of reminds me the same thing.
It's like, we can just blame it on this. We
don't have the guy in there that can fix this.
So it's not that we're corrupts, we're not stealing your money.
We just don't have anybody there that can actually get

(20:59):
you the information.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. It's it's almost like, I mean,
and and here's what's crazy too. It goes back to
everything you were saying about how everybody is so pro Trump.
You know, all of these people that have been put
into power, like they are very much Trump sympathizers in
the in the biggest way, the biggest supporters, the biggest
I mean, and that and that's what everybody said, like

(21:20):
every single one of these people were just Trump's you know,
uh cheerleaders.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well here's the here's the part, Like this is the
part where I say we have an occupied country, dude,
because okay, so Epstein files, we'll just go there for
a second. Like it was such a right wing talking point,
like the left is on the files, they're not going
to expose it. Trump ran on it, Jade Vance ran
on it, everybody did. Everybody that got into power ran
on it. Yep, Trump wins gets in. They have their

(21:48):
crazy bullshit thing that the charade that they do. I
think they actually thought people would just go along with
it and be done with it. But it matters so
much to so many of us because of what it
means the Epstein files, and of course they are real,
but if they are real, then it means that at
the highest level of power, whoever's running the world, they
used little children and asmen bait to be raped in

(22:13):
order to blackmail the leaders of the world and make decisions,
to make the decisions for them political decisions. And we're
supposed to just let it go, and it will never
be let go. And I don't think it's going to
go away. It's going to cost the Republicans that all
the midterms is going to cost them the presidency. Because
whoever comes out now and says, I'm not taking a
pac money, I'm all for going after the Epstein list,

(22:33):
they're going to get into power, and it's not going
to be the Republicans. Dude. Trump just personally called every
single Senator and made them vote down releasing the Epstein files.
Forty nine out of fifty one Republican people all of
a sudden just don't have the same opinion on the
Epstein files. That's where I say, like they're just puppets
for Trump, and it's just really frustrating as the average

(22:53):
person sits here going, well, then who the hell did
we trust? Because they are literally choosing to protect the
pedophile and these people because either they have to or
they don't have any control over it. And by the way,
we can go here real quick. But I don't think
Trump's necessarily one of the pedophiles on the list. I
think that's what I do believe one hundred percent is that, Well,

(23:14):
what I know is that it's going to expose that
it was Masad in Israel. So there goes the people
that are controlling Trump are never going to let it happen.
That's been ordered to have been given from the top. Secondly,
all of his donors and all the people that got
him into office and all of his friends are on there,
and so he's had to literally at he knows that
his entire legacy is being broken down right now, it's

(23:35):
being destroyed, and it doesn't matter. He still has to
protect the Epstein list because he doesn't have a choice.
They're not letting him go.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Well, and so I've talked about this a couple of
times when I had when Ian came on the podcast.
We talked about this, but there's so much that has
happened since. So I'll say one thing though, to your
point where you said it's easy to have that scapegoat
that person to kind of fall back on and say, well,
it wasn't us, it's them, they're just incompetent or whatever.
That happened with pan Bondi. When when the whole Binder
thing blew up in their face, like all over X

(24:03):
you could see all of these far right wing, you know,
super maga people coming out and saying, should we fire Bondi?
Should we fight like it was all about Pambondi, And
it's like, okay, maybe, but you know anyway, let's so
let's go back to the Epstein thing though, because I
think that there are still a lot of people that
don't understand the deep, deep, deep roots with this.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah. I mean I gave the two minute like a
high level, but.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So anybody and everybody who is going to try and
tell you that there is no connection to Epstein and
Masad and Israel is one hundred percent flat out lying.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
We'll just call an uninformed or line. Yeah, one of
the two guys. I mean, there's nobody, there's nobody that's
looked into it that doesn't know that it was at operation.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, it would be so hard to be uninformed.
But and it's not even just Masad, it's also just
intelligence and general So to give everybody context. And I'm
not I'm gonna I'm just gonna go like high light here.
I'm not going to try and dig too deep because
that could be a lot longer. But at the end
of the day, Jeffrey Epstein was a nobody, dude. He
was a freaking teacher. He was an absolute nobody. He was, yeah,

(25:10):
a failed teacher. And then out of nowhere, he all
of a sudden becomes this super wealthy, one of the
most connected people on planet Earth with some of the
highest level people on the planet. And there's absolutely no
explanation to it except for if you know his ties
to Lex Westerner Westerner I think that's how you say

(25:31):
his last name. Yeah, anyway, he is. He was the
one that was the the he owned like Victoria's Secret
and Abercrombie and Fitch and all these major companies. Right,
so he gave him power of attorney. He gave Epstein
power of attorney. In other words, for those of you
guys don't know what that means. That means Epstein had
the ability to use to basically sign off. He had

(25:54):
the power to sign Lex's signature on anything, not.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Just sell stuff, buy stuff. He literally controlled six billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, he had all his properties right, and and he
was just super super connected all of a sudden. So
this was actually, though I'm trying to I'm hoping I'm
not messing this up.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
This was I can help you. This was after he
got the sweetheart deal. Well, this is what's crazy. So
he gets busted for toil.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, he got busted for the child yeah thing and
everything it's busted in and Palm Beach Alex.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Acosta, who's one of Trump's buddies, gives him the sweetheart
deal where he doesn't even basically get very very little
jail time, and he gets busted for trafficking. Yes, yeah, yeah,
and even after that. This is why Bill Gates wife
divorced him, because after that, Bill Gates went and hung
out with him nine different times, different trips, Like after
he was already exposed as a child pornographer, a child

(26:51):
sex trafficker, he still had relationships to all these different people.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yep, after that, but he gets out on this sweetheart
deal and then all of a sudden, so I kind
of ahead, but then all of a sudden he blows
up into being this massive, connected, wealthy, random dude. And
the connections to Massad are very very simple. Gilaine Maxwell's
father is Robert Maxwell.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
The most decorated Mastat agent of all time.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Literally who has one of the most mysterious deaths in
recorded history as far as intelligence assets go. He randomly
died on a boat, like yeah or whatever, and and
and so it's also very well known that he had
direct connections. Now this actually came out recently with Ahud Rock,

(27:36):
the former Prime Minister of History.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Jeff Epstein went and visited him over eighteen times at
his New York place.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, and now there's now there's actually information that came out.
I'm not sure exactly what like the exact words, but
it basically proved that they were they were in fact
working in intelligence together. They were they were basically like
working in intelligence operation together. So all of that is
out there. It's not like it's not even up to debate,
it's absolute facts and so on. He was used as

(28:05):
an asset, as a informant to get these super powerful
rich people in compromising situations, political people every like, at
the highest levels in compromising situations, so that that could
then be leveraged against them. There were cameras all over
the house, like all of these things are real. It's
not fake. You can go look it up. It's not
you know, you can fact check me or whatever. It's

(28:25):
one hundred percent of the truth. If you really really
want like a perfect, perfect breakdown of it, though, go
read the books One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb yep,
the Volume one and Volunteer. I literally have them right there,
Like they are the most comprehensive research best research books
I've ever read in my life, and it will explain everything.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
And by the way, give them somewhere to go if
they just want to get a three hour podcast, like
we've given it a you know, an overview here. But
there's so many good ones that you don't have so many,
I Carol many. Yeah, there's a few guys that talked
about it. There's enough. Go listen to Ian on Rogan show.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That's as good a break, or honestly, just go follow
Whitney Web on YouTube. I mean, she has tons of
different things where she breaks it down and you'll just
kind of get her style of research every once in
a while, like it's it's freaking deense, dude. But every
once in a while I'll turn on a video and
watch like a twenty minute clip of her just explaining
like the freaking you know, Jewish and Irish mafia and

(29:18):
how they were involved in that. It's just crazy, dude,
But it's all real. And so anybody and everybody who's
trying to say that there's no connection between Israel and
Epstein is just it's it's wrong.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
So let me ask you a question, like, what are
peoples like to me? The second that Trump started suppressing
the Epstein files, it was game over for him. It
was like for me, it was like, oh, this guy's
a trader. This guy is literally no longer. You cannot
see him objectively in any other way. And I don't
understand how people between what he's doing for Israel, what
he's been these making all these decisions where he's suppressing

(29:50):
freedom of speech, and now the thing with Epstein, I
don't understand how people don't see.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
It so well, it's it's really simple. I think it's
because not really simple, but I mean, I wouldn't say
it was game over for him. I mean, dude, he's
still got a lot of support. He's still believe it or.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Not, are going to support him regardless. Yeah, literally, I
mean clearly he's supporting the Epstein files and they're still
supporting Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
So what he did lose is he lost his most
dedicated base. That I think it was a miscalculation. I
think he miscalculated how much of his dedicated base wasn't
actually maga, Like like they were maga, but they weren't
Trump maga.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, we were maga because we thought was going to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Dude, like you have the Owen Schroyers, and you have
all these guys that were like, by the way.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's all the comedians, it's it's them, him, Dylan, but dude,
even Smith.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Owen Schreyer was a major. I mean he's not with
Info Wars anymore, but Owen Schroyer, dude, he took he
took freaking bullets for this guy, like metaphorically right, but
he got he got canceled so many times, he was arrested.
I mean, he was swatted like and and he was
one of the most outspoken people against Trump. First Alex
Jones has even come out against Trump a couple of times.
So it's like, I think he miscalculated how dedicated his

(30:59):
base action was not only to him, but also he
underestimated like how important the Epstein files were actually to
the right wing base, the quote unquote Trump followers, and
you know, the whole protect the children thing like that
was a massive, massive deal for people, real for us. Yeah,
and and so you know, I think I will say this,

(31:23):
it's going back to what you were asking as far
as like do you think he was involved, Dude, Donald
Trump's mentor, for anybody that understands the history of Donald Trump,
his mentor was Roy Cone. Roy Cone was one of
the most like he was a genius when it came
to getting people of that were that were powerful individuals

(31:45):
in compromising situations and then using him against him, like
he was one of the most scroungy people on planet Earth.
He was his mentor, dude. And so, while I know
that Trump is not clean, and he's definitely not one
of you know, there's no good guys and bad guys.
We'll get into that too, But one thing that Trump
isn't is stupid. When it comes to that I don't

(32:05):
think he. I don't think he would have been stupid enough,
having been around Roy Cone, to allow himself to get
into a situation where he would be quote unquote on
the Epstein files, like at the end of the day,
if he really wanted to diddle kids, he does in
his penthouse. Nobody knows the difference.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, it's so say the same. I don't think he
was so really on that list. I just think he
has to run somebody else's agenda because of who is
responsible for their well and so.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Then the question is why, right, Because what would possibly
get Trump in a position where he would even though
he's not personally implicated, what would be so powerful enough
to control him and make it so that he runs cover.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
For these Well, he's clearly running Israel's agenda. Like you see,
Trump doesn't bow down to anybody. He touched the Saudi Prince,
which nobody's supposed to do yet that was wild, pulls
the chair out for Mettan Yahu and kisses his ass
at every point he can't net and Yahoo is clearly
a war criminal. Like every other country has already turned,
they've already spoken out. He literally will be he has
to now change his flights to not get arrested in

(33:02):
the air because so many people know that he's a
war criminal. And Trump just over and over kisses his
ass and calls him the greatest personal life. So what
do they have on Trump? It could be as like,
I'll be generous and say, maybe they've just threatened him
in a way, him and his family that they don't
want to be killed. I think, you know, Charlie Kirk
being assassinated in cold blood or sorry, jfk being assassinated

(33:26):
by his rob Did.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
You hear Max Blumenthal on Tim Dillon recently?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, I did watch that.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
We should pull that up, actually, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
But my point is is like that could be the
reason why Trump is running Israel's agenda. It could be
as simple as they said, you know, we got you
into office, or we'll get you into office, but you're
going to run our agenda. Mean, he did that in
his first term a little bit. He changed the capital
back to Jerusalem. He on you know, there's video of
him talking about what he's doing for the Adelsons and
how they keep asking him for more and more favors.

(33:54):
Adelson's are the richest Jewish donors and they basically gave
him a hundred million dollars to win the presidency, you know,
and so you have it could be as simple as
him returning favors. I think Trump's just I think that
he's a little naive. I think that he was power hungry.
I think that he wanted to be in office so badly,
and they were the ones that basically paid for him

(34:17):
to be there. And so I mean he took over
two hundred and twenty million dollars from APAC money, you
know what I mean. It's like, I think he's just compromised.
I don't think he I don't think it's as like
they have some big blackmail on him.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
But we know that Israel uses blackmail well, comes in
different forms one hundred percent, not just sexual blackmail. Like
it's everything. It's leverage. It's just having leverage. Yes, and
so so I'm gonna play this clip because I think
this is important. I know a lot of people haven't
seen this, but this is a recent clip from Tim Dillon.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
By the way, before you play that, oh yeah, if
you're not familiar with Tim Dillon, like he's probably the
most informed American right now. I really believe that, like
Tim Dillon is so brilliant and he's a comedian, and
he's a real comedian, Like he says some shit yeah
in between his brilliance that and by the way, like it's.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
One Dave Smith.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I just want to give a shout out to the
comedians because they're saving our country. There's something about it,
commed I did comedy for a couple of years. There's
something about a comedian that we have a switch that
doesn't turn on, that allows you to say the thing I'll.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Actually tell you right now. A good friend of mine
is name I don't know. If you follow him, you
should if you don't. Those his Instagram is take Naps
Bobby Bobby Sausalito. Okay, so Bobby and I connected at
the very beginning. He's he's one. He's been one of
the most like centered people's He's never cowed to one
side or the other. He's he's awesome. Follow you'll love him.
He's also very like financially literate, so's he's awesome. But

(35:35):
he actually said something I will never forget. He said,
comedy is the trojan horse to truth.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
It is. It's just there's something about comedians where you
can say things and get away with it. You can
just get away with it, Well, you can do it
in a higher life. I've been getting away with things.
My best friends have been saying this for years. My
family says this. They're like, how the hell does Jimmy
get away with saying this? Like, because when you use
comedy and people know, then you can say the uncomfortable
thing that no what he wants to say. And it's
the comedians that are literally saving our damn country. Did

(36:03):
Rogan Smith shol praised Tim Dillon like, these are the
guys that literally have the balls to say what needs
to be said. So if you're not following Tim Dillon,
Dave Smith like, oh, these guys are so important, dude.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Well and even like you said, Joe Rogan, dude, I mean,
Joe Rogan's done a lot more, but yeah, comedian like
it's it's just crazy. But yeah, So let's watch this
clip really quick because I think there's probably a lot
of people haven't seen this. Does the President of the
United States fear for his life?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yes, yes, I mean obviously he fears for his life.
And I was told that he feared for his life
before the two assassination attempts. One coming within a millimeter
of striking his head. I mean, let's not forget about that.
I mean, just to clarify, he doesn't fear for his
life because of Ireland.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
There's the comedy.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
I mean, I've been told just look at is real
is a major sour.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, think about it. What would happen.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
If he suspined arms to If he suspended arms to
a country that carries out assassinations all across the globe,
that specializes in assassinations, that has an entire wing of
its intelligence services that conducts assassinations, including with household goods
like pagers, would you not be scared?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
So yes, Trump is scared. And what I learned.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
From this source who is a Trump insider, someone who
talks to the who has you know, who talks to
people in the Oval Office, people close to Trump, is
that during one of Netanya Who's many visits to the
US this year, some figures in his retinue, Israeli agents

(37:47):
placed electronic devices on emergency response Secret Service vehicles. The
Secret Service found them and they reported this to the
White House. You know, these would be emergency response vehicles
that would respond to an incident potentially involving the president.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, this is you know, this is the thing about Israel, dude,
is we know they use honeypot to catch people. We
know that there love assassinations. You know what's fascinating is
is they It's now known anybody that has paid attention
at all, they killed JFK. Like, they literally assassinated a
president in the sixties and got away with it. So

(38:27):
who's to say they wouldn't do it again. I think
every politician deep down knows that. I mean, dude, right now,
two hundred and fifty members of Congress, when the country
is at a time at crisis, are in Israel right now.
It's absurd.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Well, I think they got I think they just got back.
But yeah they were. Marco Rubio was literally their secretary
of state. They were secretary of state, right yeah, yeah,
kissing the wall, bro. You know, did you see the
did you see the graphic the fifty states one Israel.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, that was because they had two hundred and fifty
Congress members in Israel.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well, and even even even if you just consider this
right like, because I like, look, I am everyone's favorite
conspiracy theory, bro, Like, so.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I'm not I like to stick to things I can
prove I am I'm a conspiency theory. My problem is,
I know, but like if you go too far, people
discredit the thing. That's easy for sure.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I mean it is more of just like a I
don't know, it's more of a sarcastic thing.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
We need both sides.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
But I well, I'll just say this. I also like
to present things that are like, dude, this is undeniable.
You know what I mean. So when I say I'm
a conspiracy theorist, it's very it's it's satirical. But like,
for example, okay, the amount of struggle that that our
country goes through to pass legislation, as far as our
politicians go, like nine times out of ten they need

(39:35):
a freaking tie breaker because they cannot agree on anything.
The one thing that they always seem to be able
to agree on is when it comes to Israeli pro
Israel legislation. Every single time, it's like unanimous votes.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
But I know how many Congress members didn't take money
from Israel? Yeah, there's only like two or three ten
out of the five hundred oh yeah, yeah, over five
hundred congress members. Yeah, sorry, Senators, there's only two yeah, two,
yeah too.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
That's what I say, Yeah, it's freaking Massy and uh
and uh Marjorie, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Actually I think no, Paul's the other way. That's the senator.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Hold on, was it Hawley?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Also? I think there's only two senators anything. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I know that Massy is one of them, but anyway,
the other is the man. Massy is the is the
one guy we can count on. Honestly, that's one of
the biggest reasons. They already killed his wife. He's like,
come at me now. That's one of the biggest reasons
that I actually started to like kind of turn a
little bit on Trump is when he started going after Massie,
because I'm like.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
What do you do?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's that's like the greatest patriot in the country. You
can't if that wasn't enough proof that Trump absolutely is
on the wrong side of all this, Like go study
Thomas Massey, go study what that guy stands for everything,
and go look at how hard Trump has attacked him
and is trying to ruin.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
He tried to He's tried to freaking primary him six times.
How does an It's crazy because Massy, bro Massy is
like the patriot, like the patriot of all Patriots shout
out Thomas Massey. Dude, I hope I get to shake
your hand one day. And I am not the type
of person that it even cares to.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Donating the Max. I can't paying this. Yeah, dude, I
love him.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
He's the one guy we can count he actually, dude,
it's actual America first.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
But anyway, what I was going to say was like,
every single time legislation comes up that's pro Israel, it's
like it's it's bipartisan, unanimous, and it's the easiest thing
to they just boom boo boom boom boom pass it all.
And it's like that alone should should just be a
red flag of like why right. And I made a
post the other day because I was like, that's all
people like me are saying, is why why? And and

(41:31):
I'm called an anti semi and a Jew hater and
everything else.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
And it's like, by the way, I don't even care anymore.
I used to say, like Israel is doing this, Now
I say Jews, I don't care. I don't care anymore.
I'm like, you can't. It's almost a banner of pride
to be called an anti semi. Now, Yeah, I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It's the same thing as being called an anti vaxxer.
It's the exact same things. It's the same game plan, dude,
it's the exact same thing. They You know, everybody says
his history repeats itself, but then there's also that statement
that history doesn't repeat itself, it just rhymes. And if
you look at everything that happened during COVID, it is
almost identical to what's happening right now, as far as

(42:06):
the labels, as far as the hate speech, as far
as the censoring, as far as this, as far as that,
and especially as far as the mass awakening that's happening
right And it's like to me, I will say, and
this is one thing that's funny because anytime somebody comes
at me, I'm like, I'm like, you can say whatever
you want. It literally is gonna fall in deaf fears
because everybody that follows me knows me and knows that

(42:28):
you I'm not. I am very anti extremists. I'm very
anti terrorists. Like I don't label one whole group of
people anything, no matter who they are, no matter what
political or religious or whatever. Like I am smart enough
to understand that there are evil people in every single group.
But it's not all evil.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
By the way, you know that the biggest anti Israel
group right now is Jewish because they're the ones that
get punished the most from this, dude, They're the ones
that suffer the most because people are going against Jews
when really they're just against Israel. And I actually don't
think anybody's really going against Jews. From what I've seen,
nobody's going after the Jews. They literally just want Israel
and quit bombing children.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
There are I mean, let's be honest, let's be real,
there are people there, and I mean, dude, a lot
of it's bots. A lot of it is just bots,
real people. I haven't heard one person. I've heard a
thousand people now go against Israel. I haven't heard anyone. Yeah,
the attacking Jews.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
No, But it's also like I'm sick of people saying,
like you hate the Jews so like it doesn't even
affect you any well, Like I.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Said, it's the exact same thing is when people are saying,
like you're an anti vaxxer, you don't you killed my grandma,
Like it's the same bold By the.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Way, it's like, well, Israel is you know they're the
ones that tied themselves to this whole idea of anti
Semitism because it's a way to protect themselves from anybody
speaking out against the atrocities they've been doing for decades
and decades, which.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Is really ironic because they're not even Semites.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, they're not even good time to go into this,
Please explain the difference between Israel of the Bible versus
Israel today. Because my own mother got mad at me
because I posted some stuff. She goes, where do you
come up with this garbage? My mom never messages. Made
this one hit a chord. I mean, because I was
speaking out against Israel because she's a boomer and she
still thinks it's Israel from the Bible.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, so I mean, like it, it's really really simple.
I mean, it's the idea of dispensationalism. So the idea
of dispensationalism comes from this idea that in Genesis. I'm
gonna have to look up. The one thing I don't
have is retention of the exact passages. One second, let
me look it up. It's Genesis.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
It's thirteen or something.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
It's twelve three. Yeah, twelve three. So it's that whole idea.
It's the statement that says, if you know, those who
blessed Israel will be blessed and those who heard whatever,
right like, it's that same passage that everybody uses all
the time. And it's the idea that the current nation
state ethno state of Israel, is the same Israel that

(44:48):
was referred to in the Old Testament. That's dispensationalism, but
that's wrong. It's absolutely one hundred percent wrong because the
reality is that in that scripture, sure, Abraham is speaking
to his sons and he's talking about he's talking about them,
and it's based on the Old Covenant. It's based on

(45:08):
the Old Testament, the law of Moses, which Jesus fulfilled.
So that's and that's the whole thing is it's the
idea that then I'm gonna look, you know, I'm gonna
lookup the scriptu right now that yeah, well you're looking
that up, dude. My favorite scope for currently is in
Revelations three nine.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
You know that one.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
That's a great one.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
So for those of you that don't know, this is
in the Bible speaking about the current day Jews, sorry,
current day Israel. He says, behold I will make them
of the Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews
and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make
them to come and worship before they fee and to
know that I have loved thee Yep, dude, like it's
in the Bible. Like Jesus came and he completed this

(45:47):
law that made the Jews God's quote unquote chosen people.
It everybody was brought into the fold through Christ. And
it says right in Revelations they try to pretend they are,
but he calls them the Synagogue of Satan. Correct.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And then in Galatians three twenty eight, twenty nine, and
basically I'm just gonna sum it up instead of reading
the whole thing, but it basically teaches that there's there's
neither Jew nor Greek, and all are one in Christ.
And those those who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed
and heirs according to the promise. And so in other words,
like the blessings promise to Abraham, right, they now apply

(46:22):
to every believer.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
When Jesus Christ came, the Sadducees and the Pharisees were
the ones that were literally calling him the anti Christ,
like not the anti Christ. But they were the ones
that were that were persecuting him, they were the ones
that literally killed him, and they were saying, this is
the law of Moses. We have to do it this way,
we have to do that way. And what did Jesus say, No,

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I am the law of Moses. I come to fulfill
that law. The law of Moses. The Old Testament is
no longer a thing. I come to complete it. So
the New Testament is is when Jesus Christ came to
completely fulfill that. And so this idea that the current

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political nation state of Israel is the same Israel from
the Old Testament, it's not true because everybody became Israel
when Jesus Christ showed up. We all, it became all
the believers, specifically of Jesus Christ. So anyone who doesn't
believe in Jesus Christ, that would lead you to believe that?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
What?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
What would that leads you to believe everybody?

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
What do you that they're not believers, that they're not
part of Israel? Right, Ultimately, that's what he's saying. If
you don't believe in me, you are not mine, not
of the house of the Lord. Yeah. So in other words,
all these people who are trying to tell you that
they don't believe that that they're that they're the chosen people.
These are the people that say they don't believe in

(47:53):
Jesus Christ. I would just like to pull up a
clip real quick. Do you want to if you want
to say something while I'm doing this, because this is
uh yeah, let's just pull this one up.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Well, I mean, if you want to look further into this,
I mean, all the people that live in Israel today,
they're not even from there. They're not from that land. Yeah,
who's from freaking Poland? Dude, Like, all these guys change
their names and they change their identities trying to pretend
like they're from Israel. That's not the Israel from the Bible.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Well, here's one of my favorite clips.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
This is this is our boy Ben Shapiro, which.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
By the way, God, I hate it.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I hate this guy.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
He's the worst everybody that's listening to this.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
And it's not because it is because I can't freaking
stand him.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
He's just so again, I mean, he's so obvious. But here,
by the way, people are afraid he's going to take
over Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Well, no, it just can't happen. Nobody, nobody would listen
to him. Nobody likes it, like you can't take the
spot of this guy that everybody cherished, that was Christ centered,
and you come in and say that Christ is not
even a good guy. He says that Christ is burning
in hand in there and all of a sudden, try
to step introl and we are going to get there
in front of him, taken over because nobody will follow
his dumb out.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
So here we go. So this is Ben Shapiro on
the Joe Rogan Show. Let's let's let's hear what what
Ben Shapiro says. By the way, just so you guys know,
Ben Shapiro here is very much representing Zionism. This is Zionism.
This is the beliefs of Zionists. Okay, let's see what
they have to say.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
You know, from from a Jewish point of view, or
we don't believe in the divinity of Christ. I think
that there he can make an argument that the videos
over written. He was just and no, no, no, we
don't even believe he's a prophet.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
What do you think he was? What do you guys?

Speaker 7 (49:25):
I mean what I what do I think he was Historically,
I think he was a Jew who tried to lead
a revolt against the Romans and got killed for his trouble,
just like a lot of other Jews at that time
who were crucified for trying to lead revolts against the
Roman and got killed for their trouble.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
So he became legend in story and it became a
bigger and bigger deal as.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
Time they get a group of followers, and then that
gradually grew and then no, that's not that's not a
Jewish belief. I just want to yeah, no, or we're
not into.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Stories. No, that's you don't have any miracles. No, not
not by Jesus.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Hold on, I want to stop that really quick and
replay that everybody listened to that we're not into miracle stories.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
Jesus the church, So I don't believe the things that
people in the church believe.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
You probably could donate money, well, I don't believe in
the Jesus. So there's there's Jesus. So that's but you know,
the Shapiro is going to be real. He already is.
His company is already bankrupt. We already know the only
reason is being propped does because Israel is paying for it.
Like so literally wired can go.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
So let's get to that in a minute. Okay, because
so here's this is the first thing. I want to
I want to just I want to I want to
just mention.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
He says something so interesting in this clip that I
think a lot of people miss is it's the one
that I replayed where he says, we don't believe in miracles?
What was one of the number one things that the
Sadducees and the Pharisees were doing when it came to
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Jesus Christ was performing what miracle? Miracles? And every single
time he performed a miracle, what were they doing?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
They were trying to use it against it was witchcraft
to make it look like it was witchcraft, to make
it look like it was going against the law. That
they were trying to use the miracles that Jesus Christ
was performing against him to vilify him. Your boy, Ben
Shapiro here just proved that he is a literal Pharisee.

(51:19):
Let me say that again, Ben Shapiro, you're a Pharisee.
You just proved, well, won't he won't be able to
take that role on, dude, Like the youth is smart, dude.
So I was talking to this young woman the other day.
She's twenty seven years old, yep, and we're talking about
everything going on. And it was after again, after Charlie
Kirk got killed, and bro, she was all over it.
She already knew all about Israel. She knew all the bullshit.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And every time I talk to younger people, when I
post my stuff about what Israel is doing, it's all
the younger people that are liking it, posting it, commenting
to me. And there woke up, dude, like they know
it's our and God bless our generation and especially the
one over us. There was just so much propaganda. Well, dude,
think about it. The media was owned by Israel for
fifteen years. Let's own every ing, let's own all the

(52:03):
movie okay.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
So let's really go in on this. Let's go savage mode. Okay. So,
So for everybody that doesn't understand the history of what's
going on in this area, I want to try my
best to lay this out piece by piece so that
you understand exactly what has happened for the last hundred
plus years and what has led to today and why

(52:25):
so many people like Jimmy and like these younger generations
are starting to believe what they're believing. Okay, So what
you need to understand first of all, is that the
main belief of Zionism is that the Jewish people, because
of the persecution they went through, they are promised the
land of Palestine, which by the way, is absolutely a
place and has been a place forever, even though people

(52:47):
try to say it's not specifically Zionists, that this land
was promised to them three thousand years ago, once again
by the like, according to this whole idea in the
Old Testament and everything right and and that because of
that and the persecution they went through, they are entitled
to this land, regardless of who's there, regardless of what

(53:11):
anybody says. It's it's their god given right. That's what
they believe, Okay. That is the belief of Zionism. By
the way, it comes from the found or the father
of Zionism. His name is Moses Hess. Moses Hess was
an extreme socialist, a labor socialist to the point where
he actually and and I'm not exactly sure how much

(53:33):
he helped, but he helped Karl Marx write The Communist manifesto.
He was literally like like involved with with uh with
Karl Marx and Trotsky like this is all kind of
the same time, right, And then came along what the
freak is his name?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Oh, my gosh, I forget his name, brain fart. Shoot,
I gotta look it up real quick. Uh father, let
me look it up. It's on It's on the tip
of my tongue. Theodore Rehearsal. Okay, So then Theodore Rehearsal
came around. He's the one that basically founded Zionism. He's

(54:12):
the one that kind of like caught onto uh Hess's
ideas and founded Zionis. We can even read this if you.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Well, and by the way, we don't even have to
read it. But what's cool about all this just keep
going because okay, here's what's cool about. One of my
favorite things about coming out against Israel bro and like
some of these things going on, is it's so easy
to prove it all. It's so easy, all very easy
to research if you really want to know it's all there.
It's not hard to and get black peeled on this
because the second you start looking into it, it becomes

(54:39):
very ougus.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And it's the reason why every single time I call
one of these Zionists out to debate me, every single
time I do it, they don't do it because they
know that if this comes up, it's always going to
shift the conversation. All they all they can do is
shift the conversation to some other talking porn or some
other some other something to distract from what we're actually
talking about, because they can't have an answer, because there
is no answer, because the answer is history. And so

(55:03):
here's what happened. So early early nineteen hundreds. This is
during World War One, Britain realized that the land of
Palestine was a very it was strategic. They needed that land,
that area strategically. And then on top of that, they
realized that having the having the resources in that land

(55:26):
was also really important. And so what they did was
they basically went to the leader of the Arabs in
the time and I forget what the name is, but
this this is while the Ottoman Empire was over the
whole area, right, and they basically went to the leader
of the Arabs and said, hey, look, if you help
us overthrow the Ottoman Empire, we will prom we promised

(55:48):
to give you a free and sovereign state for all
the Muslims in the area, right, And so guess what
they did it. They had the Arab rebellion and sure
enough they overthrew the Ottoman Empire. And then when it
was time to get their free and sovereign state, Britain
came out and said, actually, we made a secret deal
called the Sykes Pico Agreement with France. You didn't know this,

(56:09):
but we did it. And what that deal said was
we're going to partition the entire land. And so they
broke the land in half. They gave France part of it,
and I'm not sure exactly which parts, but what ended
up having basically is Britain ended up being the ones
that took over Palestine, the area of Palestine, right, and
it was called British Mandate Palestine. And then for the

(56:29):
next I don't even know how many years they were men,
they literally ran that that land like they they oversaw everything.
They the Palestine Palestinians were not free they you know,
they were mandate or whatever. So the other thing that
happened was, and this is I believe a few years
after I get my timeline all mixed up, but basically

(56:49):
a few years later Britain also realized that there was
a group that was rising up in Russia known as
the Bolsheviks, and the Bolsheviks were largely Jewish and they
had a massive following and a lot of power, a
lot of political power, and they decided, we need these
people to be on our side. We need to figure

(57:11):
out a way to create an alliance. And they knew
about the idea of Zionism, they knew about the fact
that these people wanted a you know, they wanted their
their free state of Israel. And there was all kinds
of different political pressures on top of that, and so
basically what happened was Balfour wrote the British I forget
exactly what his position was, but anyway, Britain, we'll just

(57:34):
call it Britain. Britain wrote a letter to the Rothschilds,
to Lord Rothschild called the Balfour Declaration, basically saying we're
going to We're going to give you the state of Israel.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah, which was Palestine. There's interviews of him talking about
how he's the father of Israel because he's the one
that made it happen.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, exactly. And not only were they going to give
them the State of Israel. It was the largest percentage
of Palestine, which at the time it was like ninety
six percent Palestinian and four percent Jewish, or maybe the
percentage off a little bit, but it was like large
majority Palestinians, right, And then all of a sudden, over

(58:13):
the next few years, they start migrating all these Jewish
people over and to the point where it's majority Jewish now.
And then there comes the Nakba, which is the catastrophe, right,
which is basically when they when they founded the State
of Israel in nineteen forty eight, I believe they expelled

(58:34):
seven hundred and fifty thousand Palestinians, which and even before
this they had already started settling on their land. They
had already started pushing them out. Like there's so many
different details of this, it's almost impossible to cover the
entire thing. But at the end of the day, ultimately
what happened, to break it down to bare bones, Britain

(58:54):
decided that they needed the area. They decided they needed
the resources, they needed the land, they needed the the
the alliances, and so they decided, We're going to take
over this land with the help of these people. And
then we're going to backstab them, and then we're going
to give their land to someone else, and we're gonna
take and we're going to mandate them. And then on

(59:15):
top of that, we're going to allow them to fight
each other over and over and over and over to
the point where, by the way, the very first terrorist
organization guess who it was, because it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
The Arabs, you know, it was the idea.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah, it was the Jews.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yah.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, it's called the Urgon and Leahy. They were the
very first terrorist organizations if you go by the definition
of terrorism, which is inflicting harm on civilian population for
political By the way.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Once Israel got their country, that was the whole, I believe,
the entire fight of World War two so that Israel
could get their country. But they get this country, and
then we were within a couple of years, within just
a couple of years of them becoming a country, they
already starts taking more land from.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yea, they start settling on the war they started, and
then they built a wall, and then they built a
literal wall throughout the so and so this went on
for the next who knows how many decades. But the
thing that everybody needs to understand is at the end
of the day, I'll give you the best comparison or
the best like metaphor. I guess this would be like
the natives rising up from the reservations and saying, we

(01:00:17):
were promised Texas three thousand years ago. Every single Texan
that is currently there, you're going to move to half
of the state and we're going to take the other half.
Oh and by the way, this is supported by two
of the biggest nations in the world, and anything you
say it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
We're just going to do it without your say so.
And then they do it, and then they.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Slowly kick the rest of the Texans out of their land,
out of the half of the state over time. And
then they not only do that, but they have the
support of the major nations of the world allowing them
to do it, and to the point where when they
refuse to do it, now they're bombing them and killing them.
And then they're saying, you can't retaliate, and if you retaliate,
you're the thirst Yeah, exactly again. And so this whole

(01:01:02):
thing comes down to every time you've heard that Israel
is defending yourself, you need to understand that what is
the definition of self defense? The definition of self defense
is if I try to stab you, or if I
stab you and then you come back at me, you're
defending yourself. Correct, Okay, But if I stab you, you

(01:01:22):
come back at me and then I stab you again.
Am I defending myself? Really?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
No, I started it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Okay, And it's really really that simple. That is what
it all boils down to is who started the conflict?
And the answer is one hundred percent Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Well here's where it gets scary, dude, Like you start
seeing you know, we start talking about the reserve banks
and all that kind of stuff. You see the countries
that weren't on board with it. You see the greater Israel.
And by the way, if you guys have never studied this,
you go study.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I'm trying to water it down.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, I mean, there's some really good going for an
hour is a really good podcast if you want to
get margin great, Yeah, he goes me hours and hours here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Even better, just go watch the doc documentary The Occupation
of the American Mind.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
It will break everything down in an hour and a half,
all of it, the whole history of it, like everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
So here's where it becomes a problem, dude, Like let's
look at just look at nine to eleven in world
or in the war that came after that with Iraq.
Well we'll give We'll say the Israel wasn't behind nine
to eleven. I believe pretty obvious they were. I think
it's pretty easy to prove between the dancing ear zareelis
the all the things that we won't go into it.
This is too much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
But what's a the problem with this topic, dude is
I know it's so that's why martyr made twelve hours long.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I know, well you start going you start looking at it.
I'm even look like JFK and him trying to get
them to not get the nukes and everything else. I'm
just going through the history. I'm trying to process it all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I know, there's the freaking there's a six day War,
there's the Arab rebellion, there's this It's like I can't even.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Spy the way. Here's the crazy part, dude, is the
average American doesn't know any of this. No, they don't
know anything. And so when you start seeing like we
went in think about this after nine to eleven. This
is the part I want to get at Let's assume
Israel wasn't behind it. Okay, after that happens, what was
the How did the US react to nine to eleven,
which was according to them, Osama bin Laden and you know,

(01:03:05):
call it matter Afghanistan or whatever we go into. Iraq
had nothing to do with it. It was literally And
it's because net and Yahoo yes said said that in structure. Well,
it's because the people that were in because there would
be peace were running Israel's agenda. But all they wanted
And you guys have to understand this, the US was
never supposed to win the Iraq war. They were never

(01:03:25):
supposed to win in Afghanistan the entire objective because Israel
all they wanted to do waselized the entire region.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Right, It's all part of the project, yes, which, by
the way, the greater Israel project, up until about six
months ago, was a conspiracy theory. Anytime anytime you said
there was a greater Israel project, it was all linked
to conspiracy theory about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
You understand this, like these wars that we got in
I'm going to make a point here and it's pretty controversial,
but I don't even know if it is and so
let me say this. All these wars that were fought
Iraq Afghanist and they looking back, now we know we
should not have been there. We know that they were
dishonorable wars. The vets that went and fought those wars,

(01:04:09):
twenty two veterans a day, are killing themselves because deep
down they know they fought dishonorable wars. We still treat
them as heroes. Now, hold on, hold on, let me
get this point. We still treat them as heroes, and
they are because they did not know they were fighting
a dishonorable war. But Ian, here's my hot take. If
we go to war with Iran, now, every single man

(01:04:33):
woman that is in the military, they will know before
they go to Iran, if we get boots on the
ground American troops, they will know before they go that
they are fighting a dishonorable war. We absolutely cannot fight
another war for Israel in any vet. This is what
I think will happen. Anybody that goes in military, people
that go and fight that war, they will not come

(01:04:55):
back heroes. The younger generation will not forgive them. They
will treat them as war criminals, and honestly, they should
because we are done fighting wars and killing people. I
had Rob O'Neil on my podcast. He said this, He's like,
I was only over there because I was fighting a
bullshit war because George Bush was mad at Saddam Hussein.
So if these young kids that are in the military,

(01:05:16):
these people that are in the military right now, if
they go fight these dishonorable wars now, knowing they're dishonorable,
they will come back and they will be treated like
war criminals, not like heroes like the veterans today. It's
you watch, dude, it's it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Well, so let me let me ask you something. I
mean in essence, it sounds like I mean because correct
me if I'm wrong. I'm not. You know, I'm this.
I'm not super well versed in. But that's kind of
the sentiment that it was when when the soldiers got
back from Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Correct. I can see now why they were treated that
way because war right, Correct, because so many people knew
we shouldn't be in Vietnam. It'll be much worse with Iran.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, and it will be when yes, wrong, when veterans
came back from Vietnam, is I kind of looked at
the idea why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
They were treated like shit. It wasn't their fault because
here's the difference. Thing. They thought they were doing the
right thing. Yes, it's a very by we're doing it
for the right reason. Yes, when they went to war,
they thought it was an honorable reason. We know today
if you're in the military, get your ass out. If
you're thinking about going to the military, you cannot go.
If we go to war with Iran, because you will
not be treated with respect or honor, because it is
a dishonorable war. You will go fight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
So I wanna. I wanna because I see you're saying,
I want to challenge the word dishonorable because especially in
the veteran community. I mean, just in the last few years,
I've gotten very, very involved, and like I know a
lot of people who are veterans, and the word dishonor
is probably one of the most I don't know, it's

(01:06:40):
it's one of the hardest.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Let me ask you a question real quick. If we
went if the US soldiers were right now bombing Gaza
or over there fighting boots on the ground, would it
be dishonorable?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I think I think people would perceive it as that
but I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
My question, you wouldn't see that as dishonorable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
I would I don't know if dishonorable would be the
word that I put on it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Because if you're with the military, no, he would blame
you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Yeah, But the thing is, I don't know the reasons
why that soldier is specifically over there. For example, the
only reason they still fight is for each other.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
But they will now know before they go that they
shouldn't go fight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Well, So that's I guess that's what I'm challenging, is like,
let's say that there are let's say that they're soldiers
that are that are going and they full on understand that,
but they're not going for that reason. They're going because
they're brothers. I wouldn't call that dishonorable. I would call
would you call fighting a war? We shouldn't they know
they're killing innocent people over there? Then at that point
they're killing people that we shouldn't be killing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Well, and that's so that's it. I mean, you were
fighting a war for the enemy. You are literally fighting
for the enemy side, which is Israel, at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
And it's it. And again that's hard because I mean,
this is This is honestly one of the reasons why
I love martyr Man podcast because he does such a
good job of humanizing both sides and kind of bringing
perspective to both sides. Because the way I would look
at that is, like you and I believe that there
is absolutely an enemy. I think I definitely agree that
Israel's our enemy right now. I definitely think that they are.

(01:07:58):
They're showing and when.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I say it is in the gods of the country,
I think it's at I just understand that Israeli government,
I mean the Israel We both know this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah, that's what I mean, And so I think we
both agree on that. But it's like you said, dude,
your buddy didn't even know the truth until you told him.
So I think that there's an element of there's an
element of ignorance where a lot of these soldiers just
don't really realize what's going on. And I think that

(01:08:27):
to assume that all of them would know at that
point is kind of hard, because that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I mean, if the war breaks out in the next
two months, they probably.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Don't know with how fast information spreads.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
But ian regardless what, I think, they will be treated
in the way that I said, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
You're there, You're not what I'm saying, You're not wrong
in And that's what I was trying to get.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
No more getting up and cheering for you at football games,
no more cheering when your kid surprises you, you know,
coming back from war. No more getting on the plane first.
And people are not having problems.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Well, and that's what I was That's what I was
getting at. I think is I was just trying to
challenge the fact that, like, is it actually dishonorable?

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
If they're going for the right intentions, if they believe
that they're going for their brothers, if they believe that
they're patriots, then it's like any other war. It's like
any other soldier. For me, I believe that that's still honorable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Because I'm trying why, I'm trying to make my voice
heard now so they know that you are not going
to get the reception you think. This will not be
the reward, and you're going to get the free live
the war itself. You will come back and wish you
weren't there. You're going to get the free Palestine crowd. Yes, no, not.
You're going to get anyone under thirty that actually sees
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
But that's what I mean is you're going to get
the people that are very and I'm not saying this
is a bad thing, Like, you're going to get the
people that are very outspoken about Palestine, that understand the
conflict and know that Israel is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
This is why Charlie Kirk literally went and met with
Trump to tell him we can't go fight Iran. We
can't be in this war. The younger generation is not
having it, like we can't. The under thirty crowd is
done with war. Think about what war is like the
fact that we go to war, are you kidding me? Like, dude,
I went to Saudi Arabia with my buddy two years ago,
go and we're like walking around this country and going

(01:10:02):
around and we're just sitting there looking at each other, like,
can you believe that the leaders of our country would
have us believe that these people hate us? Dude, they
didn't give a shit. They either were so happy to
see us or they didn't give two shits that we
were there. Not one person thought it was a bad
thing that we were there. The people of Iran, the
people of Saudi Arabia, the people of Gaza. They don't

(01:10:23):
want to be at war if our leaders because we're
trying to destabilize another country, get us thrown into that war.
We have to start speaking out as patriots and saying
that it is dishonorable to go do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
And I don't disagree with all that part. That's the
point I don't disagree with. I guess I was just
kind of like, I don't know, dude, it just hits
me our heart for veterans.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
That is why I'm speaking out. It's really hard, yeah,
because I want them to be protected.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
But I have had conversations to your point with veterans,
you know, when they come up to a booth or
they come to the store or whatever, and it's like
they understand now what it was back then, But to them,
they still feel that sense of honor and like patriotism
of I did what I thought was best.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Yeah, and they're also trying to cling to anything that
gives validation to these five or ten year or twenty
years they gave up with their life. Like God bless them.
My heart goes out. I've never been so grateful I
didn't go the route of military because I'd be so furious, right, now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Yeah, and to that point, I've this is what I've
been saying. When you know, I've had a couple of
people ask me like, would you you know, would you
go to war? And the answer is absolutely not. Like
if I if there was some kind of I never
thought I would say this, but if there was some
kind of like draft, there's something and we were getting
drafted up that I one hundred believed that I would.
I would disappear because because I know why the wars

(01:11:40):
are being fought.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I would protect American soul.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I was just gonna say, but but if they came
to my shoes on first in line, yes, same, because
I'm actually fighting from my people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Because you're actually America first. You don't want to die
for Israel. Period. It's that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
I'm not going to go and put my life on
the line and leave my family so that bankers can
get rich and politicians can make more corrupt decisions and
create more evil in the world just because of their
own power and control. And that's ultimately what's happening. And
so you know that also brings me to this point. Look,
I don't want to No one knows exactly what just

(01:12:16):
happened with Charlie, like anybody that says they do, there's
so much nuance and it's definitely conspiracy at this point.
But I will just say this my personal opinion is
this is my personal opinion. I definitely think that there
was involvement with Israel, with Masad, with with intelligence, with
with all of this stuff that's going on because of
the same reason that you just said. I mean, the

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fact is, there was not a human being on planet Earth,
in my opinion, that had more positive influence and the
and and more possibility of actually reaching the younger generation
and being as effective as Charlie Kirk no one because
he and the real reason it's actually kind of ironic

(01:12:59):
because he said that he did believe in empathy. What's
so ironic about that is I actually believe that he
was one of the most empathetic people when he spoke.
Whether that was a facade or whatever, but like he
was so good at allowing people to speak and making
them feel like he was listening and heard, and then
also countering them with just honestly like facts and truth.

(01:13:20):
I mean, this is another thing that Tucker just talked about.
He basically said the thing that Charlie was so good
at is He would help people feel what was in
their soul. It wasn't just about proving them wrong, what
was about them feeling truth.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Well, I heard this. I heard this too, Like a
lie has to be spoken a thousand times, whereas truth
you only have to hear it once.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, and so, dude, I one hundred percent believe they
take it. They took him out less opinion. Yes, look, look,
he was flying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
We'll ever note it'll be like a JFK thing. We'll
find out fifty years from now. But I will say this,
if they didn't take him out because he was turning
on Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
That they're capitalizing on it now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Not only are they capitalizing it now, but if they
didn't take him out, it's the luckiest thing to ever
happened for his which leads me to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Believe they're pretty damn lucky. Then, dude, like they just
keep on getting lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Yeah, I'm pretty lucky. No, but I mean, look, you
start to see he told Tucker to talk about uh,
Jeffrey Epstein and being connected to most odd that's more
clearly told Marjorie Taylor Green to speak out about a
pack like he was breaking ranks and here's the problem
with Charlie Kirk, unfortunately for him, is he got into
power by taking donations from all the high Jewish money,

(01:14:27):
all the Israeli donors, and so unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Jewish money either man, he had a lot that Israel
first place.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
And so if you look at all his big donors,
they just were and unfortunately it's almost like a mob
and he didn't know that when he probably got into
bed with him. But you can't break ranks at that point,
they're going to take you out. It was a mob hit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
And here's the thing, dude, like again opinion, nobody knows
the truth. Like, that's just the reality. I want to
make that very very clear. And I'm not doing it
because I'm trying to clear myself. I'm just being like, really,
just can't know. No, you just can't. And it's and
it's and it's stupid to say, like I know exactly,
you know, like I so. So So here's the reality though,
And what's interesting is I actually said this myself. So

(01:15:08):
last year was the first year that we did Turning
Point as official patrioteer. I never in a million years
thought I would do that. I would never have gone
because dude, they were the people that had the golden
statues of Trump and everything, and I was just like,
this is the biggest little bullshit I've ever seen in
my life, Like they're just freaking it was. It made
me sick. And then last year I made the decision
to be a pretty big sponsor and we had a

(01:15:29):
huge booth right front and center in Turning Point. And
I will tell you the reason why. It is because
I watched Charlie Kirk. Even though I didn't agree with
everything he said, specifically on the Israel stuff, I watched
him go to those campuses and I watched him actually
have the dialogue with people across the aisle, which is

(01:15:49):
something I believe so strongly in. Like, you know, people
start to follow me and they immediately think, just because
of the way the media spins everything, that I'm just
this like far right, dude, I am so far from
far right, it's not even funny. And like I have
so many conversations and dms and things with people who
are on the other side, and like when I saw
him going to these campuses and doing it with the
most important generation, it just it hit me. And then

(01:16:12):
I saw the video. Dude, I will never forget this.
I saw the video election night of Charlie Kirk and
after they declared Trump the winner. Dude, I don't think
I've ever seen somebody feel more of a sense of
like I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
It was self pride like you'll never see just right
in your own accomplishing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
You felt, And it wasn't he was co genuine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
It was because it's the way I used to speak
up my real estate career about this when I got
through the hard time, is because I was so proud
of how hard I worked to get to this place,
and you could fill it on him. I shared that
that moments after he passed away. It was such an
impactful thing to watch pride in his face.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
I actually got kind of teary eyed because in my mind,
what I saw when I looked, when I saw his
face and when I saw him like kind of like
take his hat off and you know, like his wife
is on him and stuff, what I saw was I
saw a man that was saying to himself over and
over and over. I actually changed the hearts and minds
of people like I actually did that well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I think because he cared so much, he actually cared well.
I think he was tortured lately, like inside, he had
an internal dilemma going that I can't imagine, because he
knew that we shouldn't be fighting Israel's wars, so he
knew we shouldn't be in Gauza, and he knew that
we should be releasing the Epstein files. You saw him
go back and forth on the Epstein thing. You saw him,
and he was a tortured soul. I think he didn't

(01:17:30):
know how to get out of the situation he was in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Well, and so that's what I was going to say,
so leading up to that, right, So I so I
did the Turning Point thing, and then this year I
turned it down and I didn't do it. And the
reason why is because I thought he was very I
thought I still thought Turning Point was going to be
very because they were pro Israel of the Year before too,
And I was like, I'm not doing this again, like
it's so it's so fake, it's not America. First, all
these influencers just got back from Israel. They're freaking posing

(01:17:54):
on their tanks and taking you know, having having Golden
hours and tel review. Dude, it's just freaking ridiculous and disgusting.
And anyway, so I I didn't do it. And what
was interesting is a bunch of my friends actually went
and came back and then they messaged me and they
were like, dude, I'll be honest with you, Like this

(01:18:14):
turning point felt different.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Oh, it was the best event Throne of the year.
Did you nobody watched a bunch of it live?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Dave Smith, Yes, his debate Tucker Carlson. So that's what
Those are two of the most iconic speeches of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
So that is what all of my friends said. They
were like, dude, it was actually like very very anti
Israel like there. It was crazy how many people were
actually very woke up to it. And so he had
so so let's so let's just break this down, right.
He platformed Dave Smith, who murdered what is his face?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
What's it was? So, by the way I got I
had the chance to hang out with Dave Smith about
two weeks after that, he came and did comedy it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Why that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
And the owner wise guys is a good friend of mine. Yeah,
so I got to hang out in the green room
with him. It was one of the proudest moments in
my life. Well, he's just so important right now. He's
such a g dude, He's so brilliant and he just
knows and he is Jewish, which helps.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yep, yeah, yeah, but he anyway, he like he so
he kills him right and then like you said, he had,
they had he had Tucker speak and specifically Charlie was
platforming people to have that discussion because, like you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Said, you heard what Tucker said yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah, his wrestle I think I don't think I know
now Charlie's wrestle was. I know that there's something wrong
here because dude, whether you like Charlie or not, the
thing about Charlie is that he absolutely I believe he
absolutely had the spirit with him, like he could feel
when something was off.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Well, he knew because he knew, I can still make
the impact I want. I can't go out and straight
up say that Israel's got these problems, but I'm just
trying to create the people exactly. I did that a
little bit in the past during BLM, like I'm not
going to say a certain things for sure. I know
my podcast you could tell he was doing that during
the debate. We've done that on my podcast well, and
you could tell with David Today.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Like he but with Dave Smith you could tell, dude,
like you could tell he was definitely like he was
trying not to be super outspoken, but there were multiple
times where I'm like, oh, you want to say something,
don't you? And he didn't. And then and then of
course you have the you know, you have all the
things that he said on his own show where he's
bringing up Epstein and he's bringing up Masad, and he's
bringing up the all the other a pack and everything else.

(01:20:30):
And then he goes on the Making Kelly show and
all this stuff leads up to his death. And and now,
like you said, now you have stuff that comes out.
I mean, just I'll play this clipper. Could you see
the candas Own's clipp right here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I watched the whole interview. Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Maybe Nat and Yaho in that phone call which took
place was a couple of weeks ago before Charlie clip.
Charlie was in the hampt Ends, he had essentially what
was staged an intervention.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
This is after turning point, This is after all of.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
That, because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel for
a no, no, this is not the route that you
should be going on. And Charlie was surrounded by his
friends quote unquote friends. Bill Ackman was very upset and

(01:21:24):
threats were made. He was asked to dispute this narrative.
Max Glumenthal went out to him today and Bill Ackman
came back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
And said, I have receipts I can show you. And
he did not provide the receipts.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
It was at this time that bb Net and Yahoo
was called and Charlie was invited to Israel. This was
an under duress situation, I would say, And I know
that Charlie was offered a ton of money in this
moment turning point, I guess if it needs to go
to a higher level, would have gone to an even
higher level than it already was at. And I know

(01:22:01):
for a fact that Charlie denied that funding. That Charlie
denied what bbe did they hear there? Did he declined
to go to Israel? Or I would describe this as
like you know, re education camp.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
You know we've seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
You may uh, oh, but we can help you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Another person that was there, and I am not surprised
this person was there. If you've been listening to my show,
Seth Dylan, I said, any comment on this one stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
So anyway, she just goes into how you know, she
tried to pry this out of them and they wouldn't answer,
and there's no answer. And then and then on top
of that, he was offered. They have proof that he
was offered one hundred and fifty million dollars by Israel
to be more pro Israel. And it's not just what
you heard. It's the truth and they have proof of it.
Nick flint Is came out and talked about it. Candice

(01:22:52):
talked about it. And then I don't know if you
saw this yet because this is pretty recent, but I
saw this this morning. So all these people are like
coming at them and saying, oh, this isn't true. He
didn't platform these people, blah blah blah. So then Marjorie
Taylor Green comes out of nowhere. I don't know if
you caught this today.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
This.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
I think this literally dropped today.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
I don't know if I haven't seen anything today. Well,
I say so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Charlie sends Marjorie Taylor Green this text August twenty seventh.
You should speak at Amfest. Would love That's what I
was talking about that would you also want to do
a debate about APAC Yeah, not with me, no pressure,
do whatever you want. And then she said, so then
she posts this, I think this is the one. Nope, Nope,

(01:23:34):
I think it's this one. So she literally comes out
with this tweet and she basically just breaks down like
every single piece. Charlie Kirk is an American Christian. Charlie
Kirk is devoted, loving husband. Charlie Kirk is a Christian
movement leader, a giant in American history. Charlie Kirk is
a Christian martyr for Jesus Christ. Charlie Kirk is free
speech warrior, was committed to non violent debate. Do not
allow foreign nation, foreign agents, and other religion tell you

(01:23:56):
anything about Charlie Kirk and I hope a foreign country
and foreign agents another religion doesn't over Christian patriotic turning
Point USA. So, dude, what's crazy is all of these
people you know that are that are coming after people
like Candace and Tucker and everything. It's so funny because
it's the it's again, it's the exact same playbook. It's
it's when everybody came after the doctors that were speaking
out in COVID, right, they made him seem like they

(01:24:17):
were crazy, They made them seem like they're extremists, They
made him seem like they were the they were the opposition,
they were the evil ones. And honestly, what's insane is
to watch the right come after these people, Like dude,
Candace Owens wasn't just someone that Charlie knew. They were
best best friends. She has more information on Charlie than
anyone else probably right now in the world. And his

(01:24:41):
wife and his family obviously, and then you know, and
then Tucker, like dude. Whether you like Tucker or not,
I don't think I've ever listened to a Tucker Carlson
segment and not thought, like, dude, this guy is just
very grounded. Like, he's not extreme, he's just very grounded.
He is very sarcastic, which I love about him. But
he's also just very good about having conversations with people
who typically don't have conversations with other people. And so

(01:25:05):
it's just insane to me to watch people slander them.
But so now let's break this down. So Charlie has
offered one hundred and fifty million dollars, he turns it down. Okay, first,
of all integrity, crazy crazy amount of integrity. He also
knew why that was being offered. Okay, So then after
he turns the money down, because this was after, it

(01:25:27):
wasn't before after, that's when he was invited to Israel, which,
by the way, I have a lot of people that
I know personally that were invited to Israel right around
the same time who also declined that offer, So I
know this isn't a lie. It was all part of
that re education tour, and it was a different one
from the other influencers as well, So this is a
whole other thing. Right on top of that, Charlie turns

(01:25:47):
down that invitation, right, and then sure enough, what happens.
He's freaking murdered. And by the way, who is the
first person to tweet about it? N Yahoo? And what yahusay?
In his message? He said, what did he say? Charlie
was supposed to visit Israel, but unfortunately that trip couldn't happen.

(01:26:08):
And I think the Jerusalem Post was the first one
to even post about it, right. I actually did a
video about this yesterday, I think, and it hasn't come
out yet, but I was I basically just like I
kind of like, like, how do people not see this?
There's a country and a leader of a country who
has arguably more influence in our country than any other country.

(01:26:29):
Like how many times has this guy addressed our nation?
What other were leaders doing that? And then you have
them covering the murder of a prominent political figure in America,
like and claiming that it's because he was an Israel supporter,
but because well, that's by the way, what he did.
He basically said he was an Israel martyr.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Yeah, he tried to put it on the musblems, but
that very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Got Yeah, that got slammed quick and is like, oh,
we gotta pivot on this one. It's just like, how
do you how do people not see that? How do
you not see that there is an obvious, obvious, crazy
amount of influence and that this guy, for some reason
has a huge mouthpiece in America, specifically to the point
where he's able to address our nation five six times

(01:27:11):
in the last few months. And it's it's just this
whole thing where Okay, now, let's talk about what's happened
since so since Ben Shapiro and The Daily Wire have
now done the first Charlie Kirk Show back no, no, sorry,
that was Jadie Vance. Jadvance did the first Charlie Kirk

(01:27:32):
show back, and then it was Shapiro and the Daily
Wire guys, and they donated a million dollars to Turning Point.
Now here's the crazy thing about that. Though it was
like a few months I think it was in March.
Ian Carroll was blowing the whistle on the fact that
Daily Wire was was like either close to filing or

(01:27:53):
filed bankruptcy. They actually I think they filed it because
when Candice left, it was like she left the freaking firestorm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
And so the Daily their problem was is they lost
fifty percent of their audience because they can't speak out
against Israel, and anybody that is not playing that game
is like, well I no longer can trust I mean
Ben Shapiro, I used to really like him ten years ago.
Same with Jordan Peterson, Like, I'm sorry, but all these guys,
Jordan Flipp lost all their credibility.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
The only guy that's kept his credibility is Matt Walsh.
And you know what, and he's like right there, he's
so hard. It's like it's funny to watch him because
I actually really appreciate Matt Walsh's takes. I love him.
He's a strong Christian, yeah, and so he sees the bullshit,
but it's also his employer. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
And there was I think there was a yeah, I
saw a tweet's percent. There is a tweet specifically a
while ago where people were basically like accusing him of
being pro like super pro his er own Zionis and everything,
and he straight up said, like I talk about Israel
all the time, I talk against but but you can
tell he's definitely towing that line. But anyway, my point is, Okay,

(01:28:57):
so you have this, you have this organization that is
literally like the ship is sinking, and they filed bankruptcy
and their popularity was not like it was not what
it used to be. I even saw it at turning Point, dude,
there was like far less people surrounded their their studio
and all stuff. Which is actually funny too because they
slid into my DMS during turning Point and invited me

(01:29:20):
and a couple other people to this like vip rooftop party,
and I tried to get a few tickets so that
I could bring like Ian and a couple other people
so we could kind of like scouted out or whatever.
But anyway, I went to It was right across the
street from the big one that was happening with Oh
my gosh, what's his name? Project Veritasca? Oh freaking anyway,

(01:29:43):
I literally watched a video with him yesterday. Why can
I not think of his freaking name? Dude, I swear,
I'm getting old.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
That's where reasons why I don't speak out on these
things all the time. Though. Is not good with names,
and it doesn't matter. I don't ever want to screw
them up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
So I would around James o'ke So, James O'Keefe was
doing his party and I was gonna go that. But anyway,
so I showed up to this thing just to kind
of like see what it was, what it was all
about or whatever. It was a cigar rooftop kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
It was the weirdest feeling like there was nobody talking
to each other. They were all sitting separately. It was
super weird, just like very culty and uh, Anyway, what
I'm getting at is now, all of a sudden, these guys,
so Ben Shapiro announced his college campus tour. They take over,
they they do the Charlie Kirk Show, and they donated

(01:30:27):
a million dollars to Turning Point when they were filing
bankruptcy in March.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Yeah, we know they're bankrolled from Israel, which is all
of our tax dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Well, so my question is did the one hundred and
fifty million go to Daily Wire?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Well, look it regardless if it was one hundred fifty million,
and we would know that the only thing propping them
up is they're you know, bought Ford.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Yeah, and then and and so then you also see
I just I literally saw it this morning. One of
the influencers talked about a couple of times now Cam
Higbee and he he was the one that posed on
the tank, did the video at the Gaza Aid site
and everything. Him and this other guy went to Israel.
They're already on college campuses all talking about pro Israel,

(01:31:05):
talking about hamas and the danger of hamas, and they're
doing there. They were at Georgetown yesterday. And not only that,
I just saw that he posted that they were put
on the front page of Fox News.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
So I'm like, man, this just sure it sure pays
off go to Israel. Does Here's the thing, dude, is
Israel thinks that they can just run the same playbook.
But I mean, this is the one reason why I'm
super disappointed that TikTok had to get sold because you know,
we know that the three people, the three organizations are.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
But dude, it was a Chinese spy to write.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Well, you know, they let China to keep the eye
of them. But so long story short, you know they're
going to start slowly changing the videos coming out against
Israel because that's where really this younger generation is getting
their information. But something else will prop up, hopefully. I
don't know, it's interesting. I mean, Israel has ran so
many plays over so many decades to control the messaging.

(01:31:55):
And that's the thing is, like we live in a
world now where you don't get to control the messaging.
And that's why I'm hopeful. I know when Ian Carroll
was on your podcast, which shout out if you guys
my audience listened to this, go give that a listen, man,
But he talked about this too, is like this is
the age of information. Like they can't control the media,
they can't control all of their voices, they can't control
minding your podcast right now, they're trying, they're trying to

(01:32:16):
buy up everything they can.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Well, no, only that they're doing podcast tours, dude, but.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I don't think anybody will listen though I don't care.
I don't think the younger generation is going to just
be like, oh, I guess we'll just go pro Rizrael. No, No,
they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
But it's just funny to watch because it's like, in
what world does a literal war criminal go on the
full Send podcast and the PbD podcast. And then Officer
Gatum did one too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I was so support and Patrick bet David he's a
shield too in Portnoy, all these guys that I used
to look up to, and you're like, oh, you're all
shilling for the same people, and it's like, how many
of these people are just you know, unfortunately compromised.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Well, so here, here's one thing I wanted to touch
on too, and I know you did as well, is
you know, we talk a lot about the game that
excuse me, the Israel runs. We talk a lot about
the properanda and everything, and it's like, I don't I
think it's really important that people are able to spot
that propaganda because if you don't understand their their whole
system for propaganda, it's hard to spot it, you know

(01:33:11):
what I mean? I mean, now it's kind of more blatant,
Like I literally just saw something yesterday where they have
YouTube ads that are popping out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Now, I was a subscriber in Gaza.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Okay, Now if you don't know, like, did my own
mom came at me? I'm not joking. I believe it.
It's the only message she sent me in a year.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
I believe it. But that is because that is because
of this propaganda. I know thing and we can we
can chat about it. So like, first of all, I
don't know if everybody saw or if you saw, but
they just a forty five million dollar deal with Google.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Did you see that? Yeah, ye, yeah, forty five million dollars.
So you know, it's like it's all out in the open.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
But this all goes back to something called hasbra and
Hasborra is the literal pr campaign that started back way
back when I believe it's in the nineteen fifties or sixties. Basically,
when Israel started to be portrayed as the aggressor in
the media, they said, hey, we got to fix this,

(01:34:06):
and so they brought in some of the worlds like
leading or the West leading minds. When it came to
reframing and marketing. They brought the dude that literally created
Miller Lte, or not created Miller Light, but changed the
idea that Miller Lte was a woman's beer. So they
bring him in because he was a master of reframing things.

(01:34:26):
And then they brought in Frank Luntz, who was a
I believe he was like a Fox News anchor or something,
and he was also super political commentator, but he was
a genius when it came to manipulation and marketing. And
so they created something called the the So it's a
lunch document, but it's part of the World Language Dictionary,

(01:34:47):
I believe. I think it's called the World Language Dictionary.
But anyway, in that it outlines something called hasbra. The
literal definition of hasbra is explanation. And the whole point
of it was, we need to figure out a way
so that we can explain our actions that are clearly
wrong in a way where the West is going to

(01:35:07):
specifically the West America, no one else matters. It wasn't
about Israel. It was all about how do we reframe
this so that the West will believe that we are
the victims and we are defending ourselves it's the literal playbook.
This is not fake. Look it up. It's I brought
it up right here and I can even just read
it for you guys, so that you don't you know

(01:35:28):
it's it just it talks about how it's all about
their public relations and strategic communication strategy, but it is
everything from government institutions, military and diplomatic channels, media campaigns,
digital outreach, so everything right, and now they have started
to realize that their hasburra, the old traditional hasbra, is

(01:35:48):
not working because that's boomers. So like you said, the
younger generation is starting to wake up. So it makes
complete sense. The reason why I'm explaining this is because
that is why net and Yahoo is going on podcast tours. So, like, guys,
the presidency was literally won by podcasts this year, this
this term like, that's that's what won the presidency. The
Joe Rogan podcast, all the podcasts that he went on

(01:36:09):
that won the presidency. I don't care, like you can't
convince me otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
The one gift that came out of COVID, well, so
many gifts that came out of COVID, but one of
the biggest ones was that people knew we can no
longer trust the media, and so media has I think
they have like a twelve percent of people trust the
mainstream media now, and so podcasts is no is like
the only place people go to for information now. It's
like people listening to this podcast are going to trust
you and I a lot more than they would see

(01:36:34):
an n or msment NBC, as they should. And we
can also Google and you know, AI gives all this
and it's funny, every single thing we're talking about, you
keep pulling it up on AI and it's word for
word what we've been talking about. Really, it's none of this.
It's my favorite thing about speaking out about this. It's
so easy to defend. All you have to do is
google it and sorry not google it, put it into
AI and you you get the information.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
So that's what I'm gonna do right now. I'm gonna
I'm just because I know the steps myself, but tell
me the steps of the pr strategy known as Hawsborough
to reframe and explain Israel's actions. So this is what

(01:37:18):
chat GPTs, This is what chat gpt is going to say.
So it's gonna spit it out to me and we're
going to read it. Directly from this. Okay, so says
what is Hasbro. Hasbro is Israel's public diplomacy communication strategy.
It's about shaping narratives, managing perceptions abroad and at home. No,
it's not just abroad, defending actions, responding criticism, and trying
to build legitimacy. It uses both reactive responding to events

(01:37:39):
and proactive approaches. Putting messages out ahead of criticism. Okay,
so I want to just listen to that part right there,
putting messages out ahead of criticism. So they are in essence,
they are they know the criticism is going to come.
How do you know that you're going to be criticized
for something?

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
You doing something?

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
You're doing something that's going to be criticized. It's really
that simple. Okay, So here we go. Okay, So the steps,
the steps and the tactics of HASBRA. Step number one
framing a narrative early, define how the story or event
is seen from the start. Use messaging that emphasizes security, threat, victimhood,
and justification. Two rapid response. When criticism surfaces in media onlining,

(01:38:20):
governments respond quickly with official statements, talking points, sometimes counterclaims,
use spokespeople, social media, infographics, et cetera. Use a digital
and social tools, create content, videos, images, social posts, use influencers,
advertise content, paid placements, push messages on platforms, sometimes use
translated content in many languages. Highlighting legitimacy and justification. Emphasize

(01:38:43):
Israel's reasons security, counter terrorism, self defense, portray actions as necessary,
paint okay, why do you use the word paint guys?
Paint opponents hamas as threats, or accuse them. Wait when
you accuse somebody of something right using aque, use them
of using human shields, et cetera. Stress legal and moral justification.

(01:39:06):
Showing normal life or soft power. Promote culture, technology, human
humanitarian or social welfare stories, daily life innovations, medical and
tech achievements, interactions of the world, writing's visits, et cetera.
Delegitimizing critics, label critics as biased, anti semitic, or extremists,
challenging credibility of sources, using legal or moral arguments to

(01:39:27):
discredit opposing narratives.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Seven.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Controlling information access and flow. Select what information is released
or withheld, embed journalists under controlled conditions, debrief condition reporting, use,
censorship or restriction of media and footage. Possibly also influence
how algorithms rank content, coordinated messaging and talking points, access ministries,
spokes persons, civil societies, influencers using consistent language, graphics, hashtags, narratives,

(01:39:54):
prepared materials, handbooks for advocacy for advocates, paid campaigns, use
advertising slow it's paid for placement using search engine ads,
sponsor content, et cetera. Ten Cultural diplomacy visits inviting influencers, journalists, academics,
or others to visit Israel, using them as conduits, using
cultural exports, films, music, and arts.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Wild So I literally just put that in chat GPT.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Okay, I didn't. Did I do anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I literally typed in a word for word. I want
you guys all to think about the last six seven months.
How many times has Net and Yahoo said the word
human shield? How many times have our spokespeople said human shields?
Literally the last statement that, the last statement that just
came out. I think I have it on here. Actually,

(01:40:44):
let me see if I have this, because if I
have it, it'll be I think this is it. Yeah,
this is totally it. You're ready for this? Listen to this, guys.
I want you, after everything I just said, I want
you to listen to this and and and just pay attention. Okay. So,
by the way, this is just to give you guys context.

(01:41:06):
This is Nen Yahoo and Marco Rubio, uh, basically speaking
on the fact that they just bombed Doha, Qatar, which
by the way, is one of our greatest allies and
our biggest military base alu Did is located in Qatar.
In in Doha, it has Ford sentcom and chaok like it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Anyway, Drew decision to act against the Commasterist leadership in
Qatar was a holy independent decision by Azrael. It was
a decision taken by me and our top security Did
you see the chiefs?

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Yeah, I start, and we there'sibility for it because we believe.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Be given be haven and the people who plan the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
That's the reframing of the justification, of reframing of.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Kind of having. So we did it on our own period.
And all I would add is that we are focused
on what happens now. Yeah, what happens play possibly in
reaching an outcome here that leads not just to the
end of this hostility, not just to the release of
all of the hostages, both living and deceased, not not

(01:42:33):
just the disarmament and elimination of Ama, but also a
better thing for the people of God, which isn't possible
as long as I'm off exist, which isn't possible as
long as forty eight hostages are being held. And so
we're going to continue to encourage guitar to play a
constructive role in that regard. We're focused.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
It comes in the way of the people, people to
what's happening now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
So we're going to focused on the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Very closely with them on things We've been engaged with them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
We've been engaged with them before what happened, after what happened.
And ultimately, the point we won't make that everybody is
that some fundamentals still remain. The frustrating part is they
literally what has occurred.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
The reality of it is we still have forty eight hostages.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
We still have a.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Holding forty eight hostages. They're holding Goss hostage using civilians
as human shields. They're still a dangerous so anyway, no,
they just the amount of it, just one amount example
gaslighting that doesn't give well, it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
That's what is I know. It's like it's like the
blueprint for how to gaslight effectively. And so if you
just go back and you watch any of these these Uh,
go watch any of the interviews that Netanyahu has done,
any of them and pull up that list, like go
do it yourself and literally pull up that list of
nine steps and just listen to everything he says. You

(01:44:09):
can you can literally pull out the steps as he
goes down. And that's what it is and the only
reason that you need a sophisticated PR campaign like that,
because what is the whole purpose of public relations? What
is the whole strategy of public relations? The more you
say something, the more something is repeated, the more it
becomes truth.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
They have been doing this for decades. Hosbro was created
over seventy sixty or seventy years ago, and it has
been used over and over and over and over every
single time these people bomb Gaza, every single time there's
a war, every single time there's a conflict. This is
what has been used across the media on Fox News

(01:44:49):
and everything else. So when we talk about our boomer parents,
this is why they believe what they believe because they
have been completely propagandized by Hasburra. And now what's happening
is people we're starting to wake up to it. Because
they've used it on us so much.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Well, and it's just I think before there was so
limited media that they could hide the truth. They can
tell us what was happening, and we kind of believed it.
Now it's like, no, I can see that that's not
what's happening. I can I can actually see that you're
gaslighting me. I can see that you're lying about this,
and so it doesn't work anymore, right, And that's you know,
the gift of the modern world that we live in
is that they can't control all the media, and so

(01:45:26):
these messages are good. I had a a lady last
night messaged me on Instagram and again I get these
messages every day now. But she's like, oh my gosh,
is this what you were talking about a couple, you know,
starting a year ago? And I said, yeah, that's kind
of the thing, and she said, I feel so stupid.
I never saw it till now, And I was like, no,
you got to understand, you're not ste machine that was
working against you is brilliant, correct, And eighty percent of

(01:45:49):
people didn't see it. This were you know, now, if
you weren't pre programmed for years and years and years
like all of us the younger generation, they just didn't
have the programming against them long enough, so they're't able
to see it super quick. But all of us that
grew up, I mean I went to Israel eight or
nine years ago and it was in my top six
or seven favorite countries I'd ever visited it at the time,

(01:46:10):
because I just thought to myself, like, oh, this is
the most peaceful play. This is our best friend, this
is our ally.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Like I was giving those talking with Pois, that is
still a message that they put out I know every
single day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Best friend ever.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Can we just talk about something though, for a real
per minute here. Every single Christian church, every single one
of them, has now been leveled in Gaza and Gaza
City now too, all of them they're gone. So this
is not only our greatest ally, but this is also
like Christian's greatest ally. What are we talking about here?

(01:46:43):
It is insane to me how people can't see this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
This is what you know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
This is where I just get freaking fired up because
I'm like, Okay, what these people were trying to Let's
talk about the pro Zionists and the people that are
arguing in favor of Israel. So let me get this straight,
because the argument is always that it's propaganda. It's always
hamas propaganda, it's you know, it's never it's never legitimizing anything,

(01:47:07):
because again, according to Osbera, you have to delegitimize everything, right,
So let's just go off that for a second. So
what you're telling me, let me just get this straight,
mister zionis what you're telling me is that every single
humanitarian organization, every single journalist, which by the way, all
of them are basically dead, that we're there, every single influencer,

(01:47:30):
every single world leader, the UN, every single news outlet,
everyone is lying. But Israel and the United States, the
two that have to gain the most from what's going
on right now over there. Like, I mean, I thought
we were smarter than this. I thought people genuinely and

(01:47:51):
generally understood that when there's a party that stands to
gain from something that is that that is obviously not
a good to act, that all of the people shouting
against it are probably the ones that are closer to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Being on the good side, right, Like, well, let's do
It's it's crazy, we're trained to just think certain things.
It's really we want to find evidence for what we
already believe, like our brain is searching to just make
sense of this one. We want to confirm our bias correct,
and so unfortunately, it's much easier to believe what you
want or what you've thought is truth than to see it.

(01:48:26):
That's why I'm so grateful for you, man, I'm grateful
to be able to like do a podcast like this.
I think this opens up people's eyes. I know, anybody
listen to this, there will be thousands of people that
end up going Okay, maybe I need to dig a
little bit deeper now, maybe I need to requestion a
few of these ideas. And I'm just grateful that I
don't know why. I'm just this contrarian dude. Like my mind,
just y, I value, I have a high high sense

(01:48:48):
of like the truth matters, and I am a very
curious human. And I also just hate like anything that
feels like it's taking advantage of me, and so like
I'm just a searcher of truth and for better or worse. Man,
I'm just I'm glad I'm on this side of it.
I'm so glad I took the red pill because as
much as it like, I missed that world that I
grew up loving I miss, you know, the America that

(01:49:09):
I grew up thinking was always the good guys. And
you know, whether there's again it's it doesn't even matter.
But I'm just I'm grateful to kind of know because
I think if we can wake up enough people, we
can take the country back.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
I believe so too. And I will say this too,
like I think, you know, it's it's tough because I
want to I always try my best to like explain
it from a place of like I know that there's
nuance and everything. I truly believe that, And anytime I've
gotten a conversation with people who disagree with me, like
there's a way to see that nuance. Right, So I

(01:49:42):
just want to talk about this for a minute. Let's
talk about the conflict itself, okay, because I think a
lot of people really don't understand what's going on, and
there's so much that's you know, they're being told on
one hand that it's propaganda, and there's all hamas, and
there's these these scary terrorists and the Palestinians are harboring
them and every thing, and then there's Israel that's just
defending themselves and they're doing the best that they can

(01:50:05):
and there are allies and blah blah blah. You just
need to understand that this is their propaganda on the
Palestinian side. Absolutely, I've seen it myself. Are are they
staging things where it makes it look like somebody got bombed?

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Are they staging things where it looks like there's a
bunch of people reaching out for food?

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
But is all of it propaganda? It's no. Like, you
can't create a situation where hundreds of thousands of people
are running frantically holding pots and pans to an AID site.
That's you can't create that. That's not And that's why.
So going back to this whole hasber thing. One of
the main quotes that came out of the globe, it's

(01:50:48):
called the Global Language Dictionary, that's what it's called. One
of the main quotes that came out of there was
from an Israeli official. They said, in the war of pictures,
we lose. So think about what that means, right, We
can't beat the pictures and videos because you can't deny it.
You can't deny that there's people that are starving. And

(01:51:09):
in the history of conflicts, in any conflict ever on
this earth, when has there ever been one where ninety
percent of the land has been destroyed, fifty percent of
the kids have been murdered, and seventy percent of the
population is starving. That's a genocide, Okay, if you go

(01:51:30):
by the literal definition of genocide. There's a lot of
people out there that are on the prosions camp that
will try to argue it and say, well, it's not
an intentional genocide and everything, like they're doing leaflets and
everything like that, and they try their best to not
you know, kill civilian and it's like, Okay, I actually
heard this explanation somewhere else and I loved it. And
they basically said, that's not the point of genocide, right,

(01:51:52):
the whole argument. If you remember a few weeks back,
there was a big push against there being a genocide,
and one of the biggest argument that was being presented
was basically like, if there is a genocide, then they
suck at it because you know, they could have just
bombed them and got rid of them all at once,
and they haven't, so like they're obviously not committing a genocide.

(01:52:12):
And it's like no, no, no, See, that's the fallacy,
and that is what all of these people that try
to argue these points always do. They always create these
impossible scenarios for people to argue with. But this one's
actually really easy because a genocide is not meant to
just wipe people out quickly. It's not meant to murder
people quickly and make it quick and painless. A genocide.

(01:52:36):
Throughout history, anytime a genocide has been committed, it's the
cruelty of the genocide that makes it the genocide. Right,
It's the Nazis freaking making Jews run naked to an
electric fence, having them get shocked, and then shooting them
dead and calling it them trying to escape, right, It's honestly,

(01:53:00):
it's things like Israel dropping leaflets in an area and saying, hey,
we're about to bomb the shit out of you, get
out when they know there's nowhere to go. It's the
cruelty that is the whole point of genocide throughout all history,
throughout the World War two, throughout like there's there's the

(01:53:22):
Japanese genocides, There's all these different situations. The African genocide, dude,
like they literally infected these people with HIV. Right, that's
that's not going to kill you quickly. The whole point
is to eradicate a people, an entire population over time
in the cruelest way possible, and that is what is happening.

(01:53:45):
And if you can't see that, then either you are
lying to yourself or you, I'm sorry, are absolutely manipulated
and captured by evil.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Well, one of the reasons, you know, I want to
do this podcast, I want to speak out a little bit.
It's like we hear about, you know, the whole Holocaust,
and people say, why do anybody do anything? Well, guess what,
we have a modern day Holocaust happening, and guess what
this is us doing something? Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Yeah, not only that, but also like if you're one
of those people that is defending this or saying, you know,
what's really ironic, dude, what's really ironic is all the
people that are that are claiming that everything that's coming
out about it being a genocide and a holocaust is propaganda.
Who would those people be back in the days of Germany?
I know, right, those same people that tell us that

(01:54:30):
we're just spreading propaganda and that there's no genocide happening.
You're the same people that come at us for even
questioning a tiny piece of the actual Holocaust, if you
even question anything about that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Yeah, we don't even have to argue how many people
died in the Holocaust. All we have to do is
know that there's a modern day Holocaust going on today
with is that's what David Smith, that's how he dropped
the mic on that. Yeah, that debate he did, right,
But but.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
It's so it's so interesting how the hearts and the
minds of people have just been completely manipulated. And it's
just it's not hard to see that. So if you
consider everything that's happening over there, and then you consider
the fact, you know, because people will also say, well,
why do you guys care? Like, if you're America first,
then why do you care. Let me be very very
clear about something. I want to get completely out of
the sandbox. While I believe that that both sides are

(01:55:20):
are bad, like, I don't think there's a good side
and a bad side. We've talked about this. I don't
think there's bad guys and good guys. Especially in these conflicts.
The only good guys are the freaking innocent civilians that
are caught in the crossfire. And that's one of the
reasons I'm speaking up is because we should not be
supporting with our tax dollars the ethnic cleansing of an
entire population and the murder of children. It's insane and

(01:55:43):
it's insane that anybody would even argue that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
No, it's I mean, we speak up because we, you know,
we stand for something else. Americas should stand for something.
We should be We should be the good guys. There
should be good guys and that should be America and.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
That and that is why we push against it so hard.
And that's I think that's why you're starting to see
this sentiment in the country that is rapidly turning against
the administration because the reality, guys, is so much of
what's going on right now is geared towards Israel. And
then we talk about the ability that they have to
usher in this mass surveillance state. You know, you talked

(01:56:16):
about palentteer. I don't know if you want to dive
into that, but likeright, we've probably got a round second. Yeah,
I mean, that's we can do another rest podcast. I
could literally talk for every.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Dady that is the fear of what they're ushering in
and Trump day one in office and all that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
But anyway, I just I think the the whole purpose
of this though, really, and I think we accomplished it.
I think it's just understand that so much of what
you've been told is not true, and so much of
what actually exists you haven't been told. Like that's the reality,
and hopefully this at least opens your mind a little bit.
We did a brief dive into everything, but literally, go

(01:56:54):
watch the Occupation of the American Mind. Go watch the
BB files. The occupation is found on on Rumble, and
the BB files is found on archive dot org, so
that's where you can find those.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
But I mean, just the fact that it's so damn
hard to find these just tells you, who's yeah, I mean,
it's crazy, but those will open your eyes in a
big way.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
And hopefully we've been able to open your eyes too.
And like, guys, if you don't think you can make
a difference, just understand you can. And I encourage every
single one of you who's thinking. You know that you
want to speak up. There's a reason why you feel that.
It's the same reason why Charlie started to feel like
something was off with everything that was going on and
the funding and TP and all this other stuff and

(01:57:36):
everything we've talked about, so like, go with that feeling
and understand that if you don't, who's going to right
And I would just say, yeah, what any what's the
last words?

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Jimmy. No, man, it was brilliant, Thank you, I was
This was fun, dude. I'm going to share this on
my podcast as well. It deserves you and yeah, yeah, dude,
this is uh, it's you know, it's helpful, like for
people listening to this, it's look, this has been happening,
you know, since you were born. Whoever's listening to this. Yep.
The encouraging thing is is like it's coming into the
just we're just knowing about it now, which means you
can actually make a difference. So I'm excited. Man, it'll

(01:58:06):
be it'll be interesting to see what happens, but it's
gonna be a fascinating five to ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Yeah, dude, And thanks for speaking up and thanks for
all that you do man, for you know, in your
men's group and everything like that. Like I admire it.
It's awesome, dud, dude, because men need it. Appreciate good time, Sam,
thanks brother, appreciate you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
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#648 - Ian Wendt - Founder "Patriot" Gear Exposes Israels Blackmail Of America

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