September 29, 2025 • 26 mins
Super Bowl champion and 3x Pro Bowler TJ Ward sits down with Jimmy to revisit Denver’s epic Super Bowl 50 run, life in the league with the Browns and Broncos, and the leadership that defined one of the 2010s’ most feared defenses. TJ opens up about playing a title game in his Bay Area backyard, the “clutch” side of Peyton Manning that fans forget, and why DeMarcus Ware was the OG leader of that locker room. He also dives into scheme fit, memorable matchups (Gronk, Antonio Gates, Jamal Charles), and the very real grind of injuries and concussions.
College fans will love TJ’s Oregon stories—Autzen’s energy, the Nike effect, Chip Kelly’s era, and honest thoughts on NIL, the transfer portal, and the breakup of the Pac-12. Post-football, TJ shares what he’s building now with his new show Safety First and where to follow it.
00:00 Introduction
01:20 Super Bowl 50 homecoming memories
02:27 Defense-led title run & Peyton’s clutch factor
03:39 Browns → Broncos culture shift & leadership (DeMarcus Ware)
07:02 Oregon Ducks: Autzen energy, uniforms, coaches
10:46 NIL, transfer portal, and donor money
13:43 Walk-on to star: injuries, rehab, breakthrough
17:03 NFL health: concussions; dropping weight in Denver
19:24 Cleveland love & toughest matchups (Gronk, Gates, Charles)
21:04 Scheme/coach fit: Rob Ryan, Ray Horton; Tampa frustrations
24:29 Post-football: TJ’s Safety First podcast
25:33 Outro
College fans will love TJ’s Oregon stories—Autzen’s energy, the Nike effect, Chip Kelly’s era, and honest thoughts on NIL, the transfer portal, and the breakup of the Pac-12. Post-football, TJ shares what he’s building now with his new show Safety First and where to follow it.
00:00 Introduction
01:20 Super Bowl 50 homecoming memories
02:27 Defense-led title run & Peyton’s clutch factor
03:39 Browns → Broncos culture shift & leadership (DeMarcus Ware)
07:02 Oregon Ducks: Autzen energy, uniforms, coaches
10:46 NIL, transfer portal, and donor money
13:43 Walk-on to star: injuries, rehab, breakthrough
17:03 NFL health: concussions; dropping weight in Denver
19:24 Cleveland love & toughest matchups (Gronk, Gates, Charles)
21:04 Scheme/coach fit: Rob Ryan, Ray Horton; Tampa frustrations
24:29 Post-football: TJ’s Safety First podcast
25:33 Outro
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Jimmy Rex Show.
Today on the podcast, we sit down with Cleveland Browns
and Denver Broncos safety mister TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ward.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And he was a Super Bowl champion with the Denver Broncos,
three time Pro Bowler and just an amazing athlete in
man and somebody that I really enjoyed being able to
sit down and have this conversation with such an interesting
career to be in the NFL and to be able
to have that spotlight and then kind of talk about
where his life has gone since then. But really just
a great little interview that a super honored to have
(00:32):
this opportunity for one of the great safeties of the
twenty tens, mister tj.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Org.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me appreciate I
like the little upel though. Super Bowl fifty that was
your Super Bowl, say anniversary also ten years this year
is yeah, this year, dude.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I can only imagine that experience of running out of
that tunnel playing in the Super Bowl. I mean, take
us back to that day, dude, that had to be
just a moment of just appreciation for everything your life
had been at that point.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, for sure, it's still frozen in ton Like, like
you said, running out. I'm from the Bay Area, so
playing basically in my hometown was pretty amazing. And then
just a Super Bowl. Being on the field as a player,
the things really you dream of all the time, so
growing up and playing ball ultimate goal.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, well, and that was such an interesting super Bowl.
I mean, obviously everyone remembers Peyton Manning, but what people
don't remember as that he wasn't very good at that point.
As far as you know he was. He was not
that he wasn't good, but he wasn't He wasn't Peyton Manning.
Like you think about Peyton Manning. That defense carried that
team as you sure, Yeah we were, I mean we
were pretty good on defense. Had a lot of talented guys,
(02:23):
you know Peyton you know, he wasn't putting up the
numbers that he typically did throughout his career, but always,
you know, in every interview pretty much I've had since
the Super Bowl, man, he was clutch all year. You know,
our quarterbacks even brought you know, at the end of
games or crucial situations when we needed to be successful.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
The complete the entire offense, you know, they may play.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So yeah, what sticks out to you the most about
that that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh man? Just the entire year. You know, the entire
year was special. Game by game, every game was a
nail bider, you know, oh man, it was pretty much
one score games and then to win the game, it
was either a last minute touchdown, field goal, or turnover.
So that was really special about that season. Yeah, you
(03:17):
guys beat that. I believe you beat Brady in the
AFC champions Yeah, you know, that was stopping a two
point view. So literally every game you can look at
the complete season and one person made a play to
win that game. So talk about complete team.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
How different was it going over to the Broncos after
being drafted by the Browns?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
How difficult? Was different? It wasn't difficult. It was completely different.
It was completely different night and day. As big of
a change in operation as you can get. You know,
(04:01):
one team, you know gear and you gear out at
the bottom of the league as far as games one
and one team that's perennial division champs competing for the
conference and you know you can see them in the
(04:21):
Super Bowl every decade pretty much. So it was just
consistency versus non consistency.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, and it's I think people don't realize how big
of a difference it is from one team to the
other on how organizationally sometimes how things are run.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. Man, it makes a world of a difference completely.
I mean, it's like any any company, any corporation, any
entity you've worked for growing up, whether it's fast food
or working in the mall. You know, it all starts
at the tops. And if you want to be successful,
if your boss, your owners want to be successful. They're
going to implement the right structure for that to be successful.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, who was the leader? Was the von mill or
the leader of that defense for you guys, or who
really was the guy that.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Was I say the og on our defense was was
de Marcus Dware. He definitely was our leader. A funny guy.
That's my guy when I'm smiling because he's such a character.
People don't think d Ware is a funny person because
he's you know, known as to be such a professional.
But man, hilarious. That whole defense was hilarious. What did
(05:24):
he do to be such a good leader? What was
it that he did to rally you guys? I think
it was, you know, his experience matched with how good
he was as a player. You know, those two things
typically hold weight in the NFL. Either got to be
really good or do or been doing it for a
long time, and he was both.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So yeah, we were lucky and gets the rest of
you guys to fall in line.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And yeah, for sure, you know, coming from Dallas, you
know he was kind of dealing with the things I
was dealing with in Cleveland, not at such a drastic level,
but similar it's a little dysfunction. Yeah, Yeah, that was.
You were in Cleveland when they drafted Johnny Manziel and
I guess had I was going already there. That was
right after right after. It may have been the same year.
(06:08):
It was a quarterback for Cleveland when you were there
about eight. They came in with Jake de Long. He
was in he had came from Carolina. And then that
year we drafted Cole McCoy with in our draft class
and he ended up getting Cole was in and out,
like he was heard and then he was competing and
(06:30):
it was just always in and out with him. Jason Campbell, Yeah,
his shoulder was heard. No, Jason Campbell, Is that.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
As a defense to keep your spirits up when your
offense is like just completely dysfunctioning all like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
No, it's definitely difficult. It's very difficult, you know, especially
doing it for three to four years. It's like, God, Lee,
I'm into this game. We take Yeah, how'd you end
up going over to Denver? It just free agent came
into my contract with Cleveland and free agent deal with
the Nice.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I mean, you had the unique opportunity to play your
college ball at Oregon. I think that's a lot of people,
you know, just really want to play there just because
of the so much money goes into the program, so
much carecters into the program, you know, everything from the
uniforms to the facilities and everything else. What was the
experiences as a college kid playing.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
For the Ducks. It was amazing. You know, it felt
like being a SEC type school in the pack because
you know the pack depending on the school, you don't
get really a lot of fans.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You know, it's like it's like it's an empty show.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
In the city. A lot of most places, like you know,
Eugenie is the biggest show in the state. You know,
you got your Washington's that are still you know, loud
stadiums or beautiful venues Washington State. Their fans are going
to come. But it's a smaller school in Oregon. You know,
you got your s C which is a powerhouse, but
the coliseum is so big it's not very live. So
(08:00):
Oregon is seventy five at that time. It's probably like
eighty something now packed, you know, right the fans right
there on you. It's loud. You know, we have weather
in our advantage sometimes but it's not crazy to where
it's too cold or it's just a perfect element. It's
a perfect football element, and then you bringing the Nike
in the uniforms with you know, those top of innovations.
(08:24):
It's the best school in the country, man, straight up,
it's the best school in the country. How much of
the players actually care about the uniforms? Is it a
big deal? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, for sure, definitely. I mean
everyone that commits has some preference towards having great uniforms.
Like you know, you got some guys that love the
tradition of schools, but most of the time, if you
come to Oregon, it's becoming that we're having a lot
(08:46):
more tradition as we become more successful. But you really
mess with you. Were you on that team that played
Ohio State for the championship? No, I was on the
team that played Ohio State in the Rose Bowl like
two years before that, okay, maybe three years. It kind
of helped set up it was. Yeah, it was literally
we were the first team to go to the Rose
Bowl since the early nineteen hundreds or twentieth century or whatever.
(09:07):
And right after that, I think the next year they
went to the Natty and played cam and then it
was just Rose Bowl fies. The Bowl back to back
was so was that Chip Kelly was your coach, that
ship was the head coach. But I came in with
Mike Bolani Mike my scholarship, so he was kind of
that was right at the end of that's right. Yeah. Cool.
So it really hasn't been too many head coaches at
(09:28):
Oregon either, So that's a great thing. You know, you
went from Rich Brooks to Mike Beolatti for a long
time and then Chip, you know, he kind of was
the in and out. Chip Hefler, what a guy from Florida.
He was out and then christ Ball came in. We
thought he was gonna be there for a while and
then he bounced. But you know, we got our guy now.
(09:49):
So yeah, did you think when you saw the PAC
twelve the spand was that? Oh man, it was heartbreaking.
It was heartbreaking. It was like, man, it was just
it was it was heartbreaking, man, to see some in
there you've watched, you know, growing up and played in
and made such a prestigious conference, so much success, so
many champions just get broke apart like that. It was heartbreaking. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I live in Utah, and so you know, Utah obviously
joined the PAC twelve or whatever. What was the opinion
of like Oregon when you were playing Utah, because they
always played you guys pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, Utah is definitely a great program. You know, it's
always gonna be a tough game. So actually the Utah
wasn't in the Pac twelve my senior year, but we
played Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So it was like, yeah, we played had that eight
team or whatever that played you guys in or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, that was a few years before this was nine. Okay. Yeah,
so I forgot who I forgot? I was hurt. Oh really,
I got hurt the first game of the year and
I think we played you guys the third game miss
half the season my senior year. So was that tough
to have to set that out? Yeah, so especially with
(10:59):
your NFL dream lingering on half a season, Like I
really came back to go first round and then when
I got herd first game of the season, it just sucked.
So the whole reason you came for your senior year
was to go first round and then you know, go
to rose Bow try to win the NATY. We had
a good team, man, we had a good ass team.
I seen where'd you guys end up here last year?
(11:21):
And that was the gear. Yeah, we were ten and two.
I think that year something like that.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Back then, college was kind of crazy because you've lose
one day. So nowadays, what do you think about the
transfer rule and the NI and everything now?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think, I mean, anytime you can get paid as
a college player, it is great. That would change your
experience a little bit. Yeah, I don't think everyone's and
all players are going to benefit from it, whether they
get paid or not, but I think it's a good
thing regardless.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You guys, I mean, you guys were you know, up
in Oregon. It kind of was like one of the
schools that seemed like they had a lot of money.
Now that players can be played paid, that's one of
the main schools that I think, can you know, fork
over the money for the for the player?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, Uncle Phil's as long as Uncle Phield, you know,
keep the pipeline pumping, we're gonna be good. Did he
hang around the team a lot? Yeah, he was at
most games, most home a lot of home games. You know,
he was a start off in the locker room with
us and then we come out and you know he
was right there. That's shaking every every player's hand on
the way in so he's definitely, you know, a real
(12:27):
I don't want to call him an owner owner is.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I saw some recently they were talking about selling college
teams to like wealthy people, and they like almost creating
like Morgan.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I mean, somebody just dropped three hundred Kansas. They don't
just drop three hundred million at Kansas. Wow for football
and basketball for an IL Yeah mainly Wow. Good for them. Yeah,
that's crazy, that's crazy. You don't see these like colleges
that don't have the corporate it like backing, but they
(13:03):
don't have all this like rural money like oil and agricultures. Cardatorship, no,
for real.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Car dealerships are like my house the money for sure.
A local car dealer US go get you twenty five
hundred if you go to Boise something. I don't know what.
Did you have people approach you in your organ trying
to pay you guys or just like give you a benefits?
Not me, No, probably somebody, but not me. I wish
(13:36):
you're on the FI Shapiro while you're other man. Nah,
no money for TJ. I walked on so there was
they kind of didn't see me coming. So you walked
on door.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, wow, and ended up becoming a star player.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I got my money and I was gone. There was
nowhere else that you were. I didn't. I didn't play
much my junior year. I went to Dalla South, so
we were kind of loaded. And then I really was younger.
I should have did like a whole bag like some
of these students are doing now. Yeah, man, did they?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
People were at the book Outliers. It talks about the
number one determining factor for they used hockey, but professional
hockey players. The number one thing that determined how many
guys would make the professionals was how many were born
in the first part of the year, because they were
always older, so they got more playing time, they got
all the advantages, and so the guys that were the
oldest in their grade. So you would have been the
(14:28):
exact opposite of that. In Bill's confidence, Yeah, because you
get comments because you're playing, you're bigger, you're faster.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When you're playing. Are like me. Everyone was bigger than me,
at least in track, in football because it was December,
so it wasn't like I guess in youth football, at
least not high school. Once you got high school changed
youth football. The cutoff is August, so it's kind of
like ahead of the curve in football because August in October, November, December.
(14:56):
I was a little older than everybody else, but in
like track, I was like the youngest because it starts
in January. So some of my friend's birthday was in January.
I'm December. There were a year old, year older, a
four year older than me. Like, come on, bro, of
course you're gonna be fashioned me.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
What was it that you know helped you then come
from a walk onto becoming a star NFL player? Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Three time pro bowler? I think, Man, it's just a
lot of trials and tribulations, but mainly getting the confidence after.
It's weird. After my injuries in high school, I thought
busting my knee in my senior year, I was building
confidence that season. I had like three picks in three
(15:44):
games I was bowling. I'm like, okay, yeah, I really
I could play D one and then boom, I got hurt.
It was like, oh damn, what I'm gonna do? So
I didn't know how serious that my knee injury was.
It never happened. It wasn't like an ACR. And then
I just fractured my patella, so right here and like
my knee. So man. I ended up finishing school and
(16:05):
then I took pretty much a year off just to rehab.
After I graduated, I didn't go to school or anything.
Took some like courses at JC and then I got healthy.
And that's when I went up to Oregon and walked
on that fall were they just like, who is this kid?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, I had four buddies right. So my school was,
you know, we were one of the best hite schools
in the custry. Where was that Dallas and conquered Dalla
South Spartan's And I had four teammates that had committed scholarship.
Get this sky all luck pretty much, you know, pretty much.
So I got up there as a preferred walk on,
(16:41):
so they knew I was coming, got it. They helped
me with the process of transferring all my credits and stuff,
so it was cool. They were very helpful and that
quickly get you on the scholarship, you know what I did?
And then I got hurt again. No, for real, you
stayed relatively healthy in the NFL, didn't. Yeah, I didn't
(17:03):
need heard it all. I can't even get my benefits
didn't fucking hurt enough. I'm like, damn, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Shit?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, but you know it was a blessing. No real surgeries.
I had my thumb and I broke my foot, but
it didn't require surgery, okay, And but I had, like
I think my thing in the league was probably concussions
and stingers. Yeah. How many concussions do you think you
suffered in the league? Ship Probably like team really yeah,
(17:34):
I've had somebody even like register, Wow, if.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You had moments where you like know that that's affecting
you as you go throughout your day.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
When I was younger, I really didn't know it was concussion,
But looking back on it now, I was like, oh, yeah,
that was a concussion for sure. Just where you got
your bell rung, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And you, I mean you were, you know, going up
playing in the defensive back field for the most part,
that's where a lot of those big hits take place.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, and playing a little undersize like I Will was bulky.
I buked up to like two fifteen to you know,
to come into a bigger league when out now you
can bet one eight. Okay, the guys are tiny, many
many person out there, but I'm naturally like two hundred,
(18:17):
so you know I'm playing at two fifteen. How did
you keep your speeding? I didn't. I was in the
AFC North, so that you know, quick story. When I
did get to the AFC West with Denver, I had
to lose weight because I'm like, yo, I'm too big.
Really like yeah, these guys are yeah, man, like they cheese.
(18:38):
They were quick, they had I knew they you know,
it was quicker. But it's different than like in Cleveland
playing the AFC team once a year running it was
Baltimore Ravens Steelers in Cincinnati, like it's black and blue.
But now I got down to probably like two o
eight when I got to the a f C West
(18:59):
and feel a lot better. I made the pro bo.
But if I didn't make that, you know change After
the first game, I was like, yo, I'm too big.
So I just tried to cut weight every week I
got damn still made the pro bo. So that's pretty impressive.
As a living in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm a big Cleveland Indians fan and so that's like
my baseball team.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I go out to Cleveland quite a bit. But
what did you, I mean, how was your experience of
the city itself. I love Cleveland. The city is amazing.
Like the people treat you, guys. Yeah, they treat us great,
even though we suck. Man, they treat as well like
rock stars. Really for the most part, if you're balling,
(19:40):
like the team could lose and then you play well,
you're gonna get treated well. But you can't be sucking.
They're not that passionate. Yeah, definitely, very passionate, very forgiving.
You know, you just ride. Who did you like? Was
there a team that you just hated playing against? Or who?
(20:00):
Which receiver did you hate having to cover in Cleveland?
I hated playing everybody. Antonio Gates. I always say that,
you know recent Hall of Fame inductee for a good reason.
That was probably one of them. I say, Frank Gore
(20:21):
was a good player. Gronk was always a tough match up,
But I think I was pretty successful against Grounk. Jamal Charles,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You're against the guy like Gronk that you know, you
know that day you're gonna have to cover him quite
a bet or something.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
How how do you prep for a guy like that?
Just watch it like everybody else. Yeah, I in college
when he was at Arizona, so we played him, and
we played him when we were at Oregon my junior year.
He came up, he had a good game. We shut
him down the first half. The second half he went crazy.
He was like, who is what happened? Like for real?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But can the NFL guys, can you tell the difference
between a star and a superstar?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like you see it out there, You're like, oh, this
guy's on another level. Still, how often do you see
those guys? You got to see him in the game
because guys are always practiced. Like you see guys in practice. Man,
you think they go jackets sometimes like it is his
perfect man. They get under them lights and freeze up
and you remember the plays. Damn it's real. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What's interesting because the NFL playbooks not easy to understand, right,
and I guess thing, it's quite difficult, and so a
lot of guys, I mean, it's I can see how
the mental strain would take place on it.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, the defenses are are of it, but they're all templates.
So every like decordinator has a template and everything is
ran from those templates, like stay into the most of
it is similar. The biggest thing what coaches do and
mess you up is the language. So it might be like,
for example, there's all fire zones, there's cover six, cover eight,
(21:57):
there's all the those are all the same as universal crustle.
But this person may call it something like Rob Ryan.
For example, he call defenses just anything, just throw it
to the wall and let it stick, Like ro why'd
you call it? He's like, I don't know. I love
Rob though he was a great coach.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
How many of the coaches do you get along with
as a player versus just I.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Get on with most of my coaches. It was only
being a couple I really didn't get along with. But
even then we got along. It just wasn't It wasn't
like yeah, for sure, who was your favorite coach you
ever played for? Uh? Probably Rob Ryan? I as a
good coordinator, Ray Horton, I liked Ray. I love the
(22:41):
Lord Ray used me and then Wade for sure. Chuan
Zinski my favorite probably head coach was in Cleveland, Chu
and uh my coach in Denver. Shoot, we want to
super the defensive coach for the Broncos. Why am I
blanking on the head coach? A cool kobyak, so kobyak
(23:07):
and way for sure Rob was probably the most entertaining coach.
It was just hilarious to go to work every day
like and then Ray Horton, I probably had one of
my best years. Actually I did have my best year.
I went All Pro second team. So in that defense,
(23:27):
I think he schemed me up the best, like.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It matters a lot, like they put you in the
right position, right. I had a buddy, one of my
close friends is Kyle Vannoyan. You know, he played hit
a linebacker for the Patriots and now for sure the Ravens,
and when he got drafted from the Lions, they just
had him in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Position and then a lot of times just giving him a.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Way basically to the Patriots where he you know, he
became a hell of a player and he's been in
the league now for thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But they just had him in the wrong position. The
coach than you think in the NFL, Like it's gotta
be frustrated, so frustrating when I got to Tampa, really yeah,
I mean I could have been successful. Well I was
successful in a lot of a lot of times in Tampa,
But talk about a coach that didn't see eye to eye,
didn't use me TOI I didn't take any advice, Like,
(24:10):
just one of those coaches, Bro was the worst coach
to play for. It was out the Tampa coaches. Yeah,
got that whole staff pretty much.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I'm not gonna lie, no, but they they weren't the
same coaches then when they got moved out, and that's when, Yeah,
the other.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Ones came in the way. Yeah for sure, gotcha. What
do you do after football? Man? What are you doing now?
A lot? I got podcasts myself. I just started last week.
I don't know what you guys are in this, but
it's just started. It's called Safety First Coach and it's
a solo podcast, but I'll bring it on ex teammates,
ex players, ex opponents, ex coaches, talking about the games,
(24:47):
somebuddies and it's just straight on my opinions and you
know advice. Are you going to break down story things
like that or not so much? Probably break down certain
plays and certain players and how things I like. But
I'm not going to be doing like, you know, the
daily breakdowns and nah, yeah yeah, I won't have the
(25:11):
stance you like. It's just going to be observat or
observational things awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Jimmy Rex Show.
Today on the podcast, we sit down with Cleveland Browns
and Denver Broncos safety mister TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ward.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And he was a Super Bowl champion with the Denver Broncos,
three time Pro Bowler and just an amazing athlete in
man and somebody that I really enjoyed being able to
sit down and have this conversation with such an interesting
career to be in the NFL and to be able
to have that spotlight and then kind of talk about
where his life has gone since then. But really just
a great little interview that a super honored to have
(00:32):
this opportunity for one of the great safeties of the
twenty tens, mister tj.
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Org.
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me appreciate I
like the little upel though. Super Bowl fifty that was
your Super Bowl, say anniversary also ten years this year
is yeah, this year, dude.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I can only imagine that experience of running out of
that tunnel playing in the Super Bowl. I mean, take
us back to that day, dude, that had to be
just a moment of just appreciation for everything your life
had been at that point.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, for sure, it's still frozen in ton Like, like
you said, running out. I'm from the Bay Area, so
playing basically in my hometown was pretty amazing. And then
just a Super Bowl. Being on the field as a player,
the things really you dream of all the time, so
growing up and playing ball ultimate goal.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, well, and that was such an interesting super Bowl.
I mean, obviously everyone remembers Peyton Manning, but what people
don't remember as that he wasn't very good at that point.
As far as you know he was. He was not
that he wasn't good, but he wasn't He wasn't Peyton Manning.
Like you think about Peyton Manning. That defense carried that
team as you sure, Yeah we were, I mean we
were pretty good on defense. Had a lot of talented guys,
(02:23):
you know Peyton you know, he wasn't putting up the
numbers that he typically did throughout his career, but always,
you know, in every interview pretty much I've had since
the Super Bowl, man, he was clutch all year. You know,
our quarterbacks even brought you know, at the end of
games or crucial situations when we needed to be successful.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
The complete the entire offense, you know, they may play.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So yeah, what sticks out to you the most about
that that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh man? Just the entire year. You know, the entire
year was special. Game by game, every game was a
nail bider, you know, oh man, it was pretty much
one score games and then to win the game, it
was either a last minute touchdown, field goal, or turnover.
So that was really special about that season. Yeah, you
(03:17):
guys beat that. I believe you beat Brady in the
AFC champions Yeah, you know, that was stopping a two
point view. So literally every game you can look at
the complete season and one person made a play to
win that game. So talk about complete team.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
How different was it going over to the Broncos after
being drafted by the Browns?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
How difficult? Was different? It wasn't difficult. It was completely different.
It was completely different night and day. As big of
a change in operation as you can get. You know,
(04:01):
one team, you know gear and you gear out at
the bottom of the league as far as games one
and one team that's perennial division champs competing for the
conference and you know you can see them in the
(04:21):
Super Bowl every decade pretty much. So it was just
consistency versus non consistency.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, and it's I think people don't realize how big
of a difference it is from one team to the
other on how organizationally sometimes how things are run.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. Man, it makes a world of a difference completely.
I mean, it's like any any company, any corporation, any
entity you've worked for growing up, whether it's fast food
or working in the mall. You know, it all starts
at the tops. And if you want to be successful,
if your boss, your owners want to be successful. They're
going to implement the right structure for that to be successful.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, who was the leader? Was the von mill or
the leader of that defense for you guys, or who
really was the guy that.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Was I say the og on our defense was was
de Marcus Dware. He definitely was our leader. A funny guy.
That's my guy when I'm smiling because he's such a character.
People don't think d Ware is a funny person because
he's you know, known as to be such a professional.
But man, hilarious. That whole defense was hilarious. What did
(05:24):
he do to be such a good leader? What was
it that he did to rally you guys? I think
it was, you know, his experience matched with how good
he was as a player. You know, those two things
typically hold weight in the NFL. Either got to be
really good or do or been doing it for a
long time, and he was both.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So yeah, we were lucky and gets the rest of
you guys to fall in line.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And yeah, for sure, you know, coming from Dallas, you
know he was kind of dealing with the things I
was dealing with in Cleveland, not at such a drastic level,
but similar it's a little dysfunction. Yeah, Yeah, that was.
You were in Cleveland when they drafted Johnny Manziel and
I guess had I was going already there. That was
right after right after. It may have been the same year.
(06:08):
It was a quarterback for Cleveland when you were there
about eight. They came in with Jake de Long. He
was in he had came from Carolina. And then that
year we drafted Cole McCoy with in our draft class
and he ended up getting Cole was in and out,
like he was heard and then he was competing and
(06:30):
it was just always in and out with him. Jason Campbell, Yeah,
his shoulder was heard. No, Jason Campbell, Is that.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
As a defense to keep your spirits up when your
offense is like just completely dysfunctioning all like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
No, it's definitely difficult. It's very difficult, you know, especially
doing it for three to four years. It's like, God, Lee,
I'm into this game. We take Yeah, how'd you end
up going over to Denver? It just free agent came
into my contract with Cleveland and free agent deal with
the Nice.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I mean, you had the unique opportunity to play your
college ball at Oregon. I think that's a lot of people,
you know, just really want to play there just because
of the so much money goes into the program, so
much carecters into the program, you know, everything from the
uniforms to the facilities and everything else. What was the
experiences as a college kid playing.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
For the Ducks. It was amazing. You know, it felt
like being a SEC type school in the pack because
you know the pack depending on the school, you don't
get really a lot of fans.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You know, it's like it's like it's an empty show.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
In the city. A lot of most places, like you know,
Eugenie is the biggest show in the state. You know,
you got your Washington's that are still you know, loud
stadiums or beautiful venues Washington State. Their fans are going
to come. But it's a smaller school in Oregon. You know,
you got your s C which is a powerhouse, but
the coliseum is so big it's not very live. So
(08:00):
Oregon is seventy five at that time. It's probably like
eighty something now packed, you know, right the fans right
there on you. It's loud. You know, we have weather
in our advantage sometimes but it's not crazy to where
it's too cold or it's just a perfect element. It's
a perfect football element, and then you bringing the Nike
in the uniforms with you know, those top of innovations.
(08:24):
It's the best school in the country, man, straight up,
it's the best school in the country. How much of
the players actually care about the uniforms? Is it a
big deal? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, for sure, definitely. I mean
everyone that commits has some preference towards having great uniforms.
Like you know, you got some guys that love the
tradition of schools, but most of the time, if you
come to Oregon, it's becoming that we're having a lot
(08:46):
more tradition as we become more successful. But you really
mess with you. Were you on that team that played
Ohio State for the championship? No, I was on the
team that played Ohio State in the Rose Bowl like
two years before that, okay, maybe three years. It kind
of helped set up it was. Yeah, it was literally
we were the first team to go to the Rose
Bowl since the early nineteen hundreds or twentieth century or whatever.
(09:07):
And right after that, I think the next year they
went to the Natty and played cam and then it
was just Rose Bowl fies. The Bowl back to back
was so was that Chip Kelly was your coach, that
ship was the head coach. But I came in with
Mike Bolani Mike my scholarship, so he was kind of
that was right at the end of that's right. Yeah. Cool.
So it really hasn't been too many head coaches at
(09:28):
Oregon either, So that's a great thing. You know, you
went from Rich Brooks to Mike Beolatti for a long
time and then Chip, you know, he kind of was
the in and out. Chip Hefler, what a guy from Florida.
He was out and then christ Ball came in. We
thought he was gonna be there for a while and
then he bounced. But you know, we got our guy now.
(09:49):
So yeah, did you think when you saw the PAC
twelve the spand was that? Oh man, it was heartbreaking.
It was heartbreaking. It was like, man, it was just
it was it was heartbreaking, man, to see some in
there you've watched, you know, growing up and played in
and made such a prestigious conference, so much success, so
many champions just get broke apart like that. It was heartbreaking. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I live in Utah, and so you know, Utah obviously
joined the PAC twelve or whatever. What was the opinion
of like Oregon when you were playing Utah, because they
always played you guys pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, Utah is definitely a great program. You know, it's
always gonna be a tough game. So actually the Utah
wasn't in the Pac twelve my senior year, but we
played Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So it was like, yeah, we played had that eight
team or whatever that played you guys in or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, that was a few years before this was nine. Okay. Yeah,
so I forgot who I forgot? I was hurt. Oh really,
I got hurt the first game of the year and
I think we played you guys the third game miss
half the season my senior year. So was that tough
to have to set that out? Yeah, so especially with
(10:59):
your NFL dream lingering on half a season, Like I
really came back to go first round and then when
I got herd first game of the season, it just sucked.
So the whole reason you came for your senior year
was to go first round and then you know, go
to rose Bow try to win the NATY. We had
a good team, man, we had a good ass team.
I seen where'd you guys end up here last year?
(11:21):
And that was the gear. Yeah, we were ten and two.
I think that year something like that.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Back then, college was kind of crazy because you've lose
one day. So nowadays, what do you think about the
transfer rule and the NI and everything now?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think, I mean, anytime you can get paid as
a college player, it is great. That would change your
experience a little bit. Yeah, I don't think everyone's and
all players are going to benefit from it, whether they
get paid or not, but I think it's a good
thing regardless.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You guys, I mean, you guys were you know, up
in Oregon. It kind of was like one of the
schools that seemed like they had a lot of money.
Now that players can be played paid, that's one of
the main schools that I think, can you know, fork
over the money for the for the player?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, Uncle Phil's as long as Uncle Phield, you know,
keep the pipeline pumping, we're gonna be good. Did he
hang around the team a lot? Yeah, he was at
most games, most home a lot of home games. You know,
he was a start off in the locker room with
us and then we come out and you know he
was right there. That's shaking every every player's hand on
the way in so he's definitely, you know, a real
(12:27):
I don't want to call him an owner owner is.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I saw some recently they were talking about selling college
teams to like wealthy people, and they like almost creating
like Morgan.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I mean, somebody just dropped three hundred Kansas. They don't
just drop three hundred million at Kansas. Wow for football
and basketball for an IL Yeah mainly Wow. Good for them. Yeah,
that's crazy, that's crazy. You don't see these like colleges
that don't have the corporate it like backing, but they
(13:03):
don't have all this like rural money like oil and agricultures. Cardatorship, no,
for real.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Car dealerships are like my house the money for sure.
A local car dealer US go get you twenty five
hundred if you go to Boise something. I don't know what.
Did you have people approach you in your organ trying
to pay you guys or just like give you a benefits?
Not me, No, probably somebody, but not me. I wish
(13:36):
you're on the FI Shapiro while you're other man. Nah,
no money for TJ. I walked on so there was
they kind of didn't see me coming. So you walked
on door.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, wow, and ended up becoming a star player.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I got my money and I was gone. There was
nowhere else that you were. I didn't. I didn't play
much my junior year. I went to Dalla South, so
we were kind of loaded. And then I really was younger.
I should have did like a whole bag like some
of these students are doing now. Yeah, man, did they?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
People were at the book Outliers. It talks about the
number one determining factor for they used hockey, but professional
hockey players. The number one thing that determined how many
guys would make the professionals was how many were born
in the first part of the year, because they were
always older, so they got more playing time, they got
all the advantages, and so the guys that were the
oldest in their grade. So you would have been the
(14:28):
exact opposite of that. In Bill's confidence, Yeah, because you
get comments because you're playing, you're bigger, you're faster.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When you're playing. Are like me. Everyone was bigger than me,
at least in track, in football because it was December,
so it wasn't like I guess in youth football, at
least not high school. Once you got high school changed
youth football. The cutoff is August, so it's kind of
like ahead of the curve in football because August in October, November, December.
(14:56):
I was a little older than everybody else, but in
like track, I was like the youngest because it starts
in January. So some of my friend's birthday was in January.
I'm December. There were a year old, year older, a
four year older than me. Like, come on, bro, of
course you're gonna be fashioned me.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
What was it that you know helped you then come
from a walk onto becoming a star NFL player? Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Three time pro bowler? I think, Man, it's just a
lot of trials and tribulations, but mainly getting the confidence after.
It's weird. After my injuries in high school, I thought
busting my knee in my senior year, I was building
confidence that season. I had like three picks in three
(15:44):
games I was bowling. I'm like, okay, yeah, I really
I could play D one and then boom, I got hurt.
It was like, oh damn, what I'm gonna do? So
I didn't know how serious that my knee injury was.
It never happened. It wasn't like an ACR. And then
I just fractured my patella, so right here and like
my knee. So man. I ended up finishing school and
(16:05):
then I took pretty much a year off just to rehab.
After I graduated, I didn't go to school or anything.
Took some like courses at JC and then I got healthy.
And that's when I went up to Oregon and walked
on that fall were they just like, who is this kid?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, I had four buddies right. So my school was,
you know, we were one of the best hite schools
in the custry. Where was that Dallas and conquered Dalla
South Spartan's And I had four teammates that had committed scholarship.
Get this sky all luck pretty much, you know, pretty much.
So I got up there as a preferred walk on,
(16:41):
so they knew I was coming, got it. They helped
me with the process of transferring all my credits and stuff,
so it was cool. They were very helpful and that
quickly get you on the scholarship, you know what I did?
And then I got hurt again. No, for real, you
stayed relatively healthy in the NFL, didn't. Yeah, I didn't
(17:03):
need heard it all. I can't even get my benefits
didn't fucking hurt enough. I'm like, damn, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Shit?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, but you know it was a blessing. No real surgeries.
I had my thumb and I broke my foot, but
it didn't require surgery, okay, And but I had, like
I think my thing in the league was probably concussions
and stingers. Yeah. How many concussions do you think you
suffered in the league? Ship Probably like team really yeah,
(17:34):
I've had somebody even like register, Wow, if.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You had moments where you like know that that's affecting
you as you go throughout your day.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
When I was younger, I really didn't know it was concussion,
But looking back on it now, I was like, oh, yeah,
that was a concussion for sure. Just where you got
your bell rung, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And you, I mean you were, you know, going up
playing in the defensive back field for the most part,
that's where a lot of those big hits take place.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, and playing a little undersize like I Will was bulky.
I buked up to like two fifteen to you know,
to come into a bigger league when out now you
can bet one eight. Okay, the guys are tiny, many
many person out there, but I'm naturally like two hundred,
(18:17):
so you know I'm playing at two fifteen. How did
you keep your speeding? I didn't. I was in the
AFC North, so that you know, quick story. When I
did get to the AFC West with Denver, I had
to lose weight because I'm like, yo, I'm too big.
Really like yeah, these guys are yeah, man, like they cheese.
(18:38):
They were quick, they had I knew they you know,
it was quicker. But it's different than like in Cleveland
playing the AFC team once a year running it was
Baltimore Ravens Steelers in Cincinnati, like it's black and blue.
But now I got down to probably like two o
eight when I got to the a f C West
(18:59):
and feel a lot better. I made the pro bo.
But if I didn't make that, you know change After
the first game, I was like, yo, I'm too big.
So I just tried to cut weight every week I
got damn still made the pro bo. So that's pretty impressive.
As a living in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm a big Cleveland Indians fan and so that's like
my baseball team.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I go out to Cleveland quite a bit. But
what did you, I mean, how was your experience of
the city itself. I love Cleveland. The city is amazing.
Like the people treat you, guys. Yeah, they treat us great,
even though we suck. Man, they treat as well like
rock stars. Really for the most part, if you're balling,
(19:40):
like the team could lose and then you play well,
you're gonna get treated well. But you can't be sucking.
They're not that passionate. Yeah, definitely, very passionate, very forgiving.
You know, you just ride. Who did you like? Was
there a team that you just hated playing against? Or who?
(20:00):
Which receiver did you hate having to cover in Cleveland?
I hated playing everybody. Antonio Gates. I always say that,
you know recent Hall of Fame inductee for a good reason.
That was probably one of them. I say, Frank Gore
(20:21):
was a good player. Gronk was always a tough match up,
But I think I was pretty successful against Grounk. Jamal Charles,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You're against the guy like Gronk that you know, you
know that day you're gonna have to cover him quite
a bet or something.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
How how do you prep for a guy like that?
Just watch it like everybody else. Yeah, I in college
when he was at Arizona, so we played him, and
we played him when we were at Oregon my junior year.
He came up, he had a good game. We shut
him down the first half. The second half he went crazy.
He was like, who is what happened? Like for real?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But can the NFL guys, can you tell the difference
between a star and a superstar?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like you see it out there, You're like, oh, this
guy's on another level. Still, how often do you see
those guys? You got to see him in the game
because guys are always practiced. Like you see guys in practice. Man,
you think they go jackets sometimes like it is his
perfect man. They get under them lights and freeze up
and you remember the plays. Damn it's real. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What's interesting because the NFL playbooks not easy to understand, right,
and I guess thing, it's quite difficult, and so a
lot of guys, I mean, it's I can see how
the mental strain would take place on it.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, the defenses are are of it, but they're all templates.
So every like decordinator has a template and everything is
ran from those templates, like stay into the most of
it is similar. The biggest thing what coaches do and
mess you up is the language. So it might be like,
for example, there's all fire zones, there's cover six, cover eight,
(21:57):
there's all the those are all the same as universal crustle.
But this person may call it something like Rob Ryan.
For example, he call defenses just anything, just throw it
to the wall and let it stick, Like ro why'd
you call it? He's like, I don't know. I love
Rob though he was a great coach.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
How many of the coaches do you get along with
as a player versus just I.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Get on with most of my coaches. It was only
being a couple I really didn't get along with. But
even then we got along. It just wasn't It wasn't
like yeah, for sure, who was your favorite coach you
ever played for? Uh? Probably Rob Ryan? I as a
good coordinator, Ray Horton, I liked Ray. I love the
(22:41):
Lord Ray used me and then Wade for sure. Chuan
Zinski my favorite probably head coach was in Cleveland, Chu
and uh my coach in Denver. Shoot, we want to
super the defensive coach for the Broncos. Why am I
blanking on the head coach? A cool kobyak, so kobyak
(23:07):
and way for sure Rob was probably the most entertaining coach.
It was just hilarious to go to work every day
like and then Ray Horton, I probably had one of
my best years. Actually I did have my best year.
I went All Pro second team. So in that defense,
(23:27):
I think he schemed me up the best, like.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It matters a lot, like they put you in the
right position, right. I had a buddy, one of my
close friends is Kyle Vannoyan. You know, he played hit
a linebacker for the Patriots and now for sure the Ravens,
and when he got drafted from the Lions, they just
had him in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Position and then a lot of times just giving him a.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Way basically to the Patriots where he you know, he
became a hell of a player and he's been in
the league now for thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But they just had him in the wrong position. The
coach than you think in the NFL, Like it's gotta
be frustrated, so frustrating when I got to Tampa, really yeah,
I mean I could have been successful. Well I was
successful in a lot of a lot of times in Tampa,
But talk about a coach that didn't see eye to eye,
didn't use me TOI I didn't take any advice, Like,
(24:10):
just one of those coaches, Bro was the worst coach
to play for. It was out the Tampa coaches. Yeah,
got that whole staff pretty much.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I'm not gonna lie, no, but they they weren't the
same coaches then when they got moved out, and that's when, Yeah,
the other.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Ones came in the way. Yeah for sure, gotcha. What
do you do after football? Man? What are you doing now?
A lot? I got podcasts myself. I just started last week.
I don't know what you guys are in this, but
it's just started. It's called Safety First Coach and it's
a solo podcast, but I'll bring it on ex teammates,
ex players, ex opponents, ex coaches, talking about the games,
(24:47):
somebuddies and it's just straight on my opinions and you
know advice. Are you going to break down story things
like that or not so much? Probably break down certain
plays and certain players and how things I like. But
I'm not going to be doing like, you know, the
daily breakdowns and nah, yeah yeah, I won't have the
(25:11):
stance you like. It's just going to be observat or
observational things awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Man. So if people want to listen to the podcast.
Where do we leend them safety First.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Safety First at Safety First Show on Instagram and YouTube
at Safety First. Awesome. Man, I'm excited to listen to
it and thanks for being on the show. Show appreciate
it all right, man, thank you, Thank.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You again for listening to the Jimmy Rex Show. And
if you liked what you heard, please like and subscribe.
It really helps me to get better guests, to be
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Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's going to make it the most interesting.
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