In this episode, Jimmy sits down with his close friend Taylor Palmer, founder of Rope Swing Moab—the crew behind the massive canyon rope swings that have become a rite of passage for We Are The They. Taylor shares how a desert hobby among buddies turned into a fully permitted operation, why Moab’s arches and canyons make these swings possible, and how rigorous safety (redundant systems, load cells, and 10x margins) transforms a terrifying idea into a life-changing experience.
Beyond the adrenaline, Taylor explains the deeper side of the jump: intention, breakthrough, and brotherhood. From the hard lessons of earning permits with the BLM, to stories of people leaving addictions and grief on the cliff, to his own journey from welding grind to dream job—and even a quick surf trip with his daughter—this conversation is about courage, community, and building a life that actually fits.
00:00 Introduction
01:45 From Desert Hobby to Epic Canyon Swings
04:00 Safety, Rigging, and the Road to Becoming Permitted
10:00 Facing Fear and Finding Deeper Meaning in the Jump
18:00 We Are The They Moments & Personal Breakthroughs
26:00 Brotherhood, Feedback, and Growth
33:00 Balancing Ambition, Family, and Fulfillment
41:00 From Welding Work to Purpose and Freedom
49:00 Reflections on Courage, Purpose & Next Adventures
50:28 Outro
Beyond the adrenaline, Taylor explains the deeper side of the jump: intention, breakthrough, and brotherhood. From the hard lessons of earning permits with the BLM, to stories of people leaving addictions and grief on the cliff, to his own journey from welding grind to dream job—and even a quick surf trip with his daughter—this conversation is about courage, community, and building a life that actually fits.
00:00 Introduction
01:45 From Desert Hobby to Epic Canyon Swings
04:00 Safety, Rigging, and the Road to Becoming Permitted
10:00 Facing Fear and Finding Deeper Meaning in the Jump
18:00 We Are The They Moments & Personal Breakthroughs
26:00 Brotherhood, Feedback, and Growth
33:00 Balancing Ambition, Family, and Fulfillment
41:00 From Welding Work to Purpose and Freedom
49:00 Reflections on Courage, Purpose & Next Adventures
50:28 Outro
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Jimmy Rex Show.
Today on the podcast, I'm here with my close buddy,
mister Taylor Palmer, and he is the founder of Rope
Swing MOAB and this is such a special interview for me,
a big interview for me, because Taylor really, without the
rope Swing, I don't know if we are that they
ever would have happened. I recognized very early on I
needed to have something that was our signature thing that
(00:26):
we do with our clients and our new members when
they come in. And I saw these videos that Taylor
and a couple of my buddies had been doing this
rope swing. It literally was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
So I reached out to Taylor and became his first
and favorite client and it's kind of gone from there.
But today we're going to talk about his story and
talk about a little bit more what this rope swing
thing is all about. Look, Taylor, welcome to the podcast now.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Man it stock to be here, dude.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was so funny when I first saw the rope
swing video I Ben Jorgensen had posted it. Yea and
you and just you, you and your buddies were doing
it like it was just a couple people at ever.
I remember when and I told Ben, I said, dude,
I've been wanting to do something really special for my
fortieth birthday. And I still didn't know I was gonna
do weird the day, but I was trying to set
up an adventure club where we were just doing crazy things.
(01:20):
That was my original idea. That's what what was supposed
to be originally. And I saw that, and I'm like,
that has to be the first thing we do, and saw, dude.
I think it was like nine months. I begged to
try to have you do You weren't doing it. You're
just like, nah, I don't care. And I just kept
up in the price that i'd pay you, and eventually,
thankfully you said yes.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, we we just started doing it as buddies.
You know, it was a It was just a fun
thing to do in the desert. You know, once you
start hanging around in the desert enough, you're climbing up everything,
jumping off everything, and one thing leads to the next
and before you know what, you're doing three hundred foot
rope swings.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's crazy. So what were you doing, like take us
back before, like, so you guys, how did you first
find out about their ropes? Like, how did this thing?
Did somebody else? Do you saw a video or you
knew somebody that did or what.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, So I wasn't the first one to ever set
up a rope swing in the desert. People have been
doing big rope swings there forever. It's a pretty unique landscape, right,
It's kind of one of the only spots in the
world you can do these big, giant rope swings. We
have a lot of big cliffs, a lot of big
arches that kind of facilitate that type of activity. So, yeah,
(02:29):
I wasn't the first one to do it by any means.
People have been doing these things for a long time.
The way that it started arches. Arches are really easy
to swing off of, right, because you already have your structure.
You just go clip a climbing rope to them and
jump off a wall and you swing through them.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Don't those come up their own form of like danger though,
because it's it's an actual archy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Everything to do with this lifestyle comes with a form
of danger. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The reason why the arch swing was so dangerous is
because it was so accessible and you've probably all seen
videos of the Corona Arch Swing. It's uber uber famous.
It's illegal now because it got to the point where
people would just go buy a climbing rope from Arii
and go clip it to the arch and serious, yeah,
(03:23):
and buy a climbing harness and jump off. And unfortunately, like, yeah,
there were some major major injuries and deaths.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That was what it's been a while, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right, yeah, like ten years ago they closed that made that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Illegal, and what caused them, Like what do they do wrong?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The ropes that we use are stretchy. They're climbing ropes.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They'll stretch up to like twenty thirty percent of their
original length, and so if you measure your rope wrong
and then you jump, the rope stretches and you hit
the you hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Damn. So that's how they did be Yeah, yeah, it
in it.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, you hit hard.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know when we're talking about these type of masses
and lengths and dis and says, yeah, it's a it's
a very abrupt stop. So yeah, they do come with
a lot of risks, and you know that's why, honestly,
like starting the company that we started, we were fighting
uphill battles Since the beginning, rope swings have have always
(04:18):
kind of been pushed aside and outlawed. You know, any
any bridge you go to that you'll see a sign
that says no rope swings, right, And that's because people
can so easily just clip a rope to it without
really knowing what they're getting into and jump off.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And hurt themselves. Right, it makes sense, you said, just
when it's that accessible, people quit because one thing that
I love when we go with you, it's funny because
you're like, we're doing the scariest thing a manager imaginable.
But when you get there and you see how professional
you are, you see how much you pay attention to
the details, you see how dialed in you are, You're like, oh,
this is like this needs to be taken very seriously.
(04:56):
And I can just imagine people just like, don't you know,
because then there was nobody doing it. You couldn't just
hire you. So if you want to go do it,
you and your buddies like, I think I know how
to do this next thing?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You know, well, And that's why, like you said at
the beginning, when you were trying to reach out to us.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's why we told, you know, for so long, it's
because doing what we were doing with the people that
we were doing it with, we have to trust each other.
It's a thing where it's a very acquired skill set
that you can't just learn in a book. You can't
just read it on the internet. You can't you can't
learn how to do what we do in any way
other than being there doing it. And like learning from
(05:32):
learning from previous I wouldn't call them mistakes, but like
learning experiences, right, because like there's a zero tolerance for
mistakes with what we do. Like if we start having mistakes,
that's when that's when the consequences start getting real.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So, yeah, we would have people hit us up all.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
The time to try to come join in on, you know,
the fun, And unfortunately it just wasn't a thing where
we could bring in a bunch of people that we
didn't know or trust, because we had to Like if
I had to send somebody the other to the other
side of the canyon to like check an out, I
have to depend on him, right, I have to know
that if he says it's good, that it's like that
(06:09):
it's good, right, And so it wasn't an exclusive thing
that we tried to hide or like keep people out,
but it was a thing that we had to just
be able to essentially trust each other with our lives.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah. Well, and it's it when you get there and
you say, I mean when I did the one for
my birthday party, you guys went out two days before
and set it up. It wasn't like this thing's just
permanently out there. You guys were spending two days getting
it all set up. And for people that have never
seen it, if you maybe paint a picture because you
have this giant goalie and you're kind of if you
picture a football field, on the two sidelines is where
(06:43):
the two ropes are, and then you're standing in the
end zone basically, and you jump off, and the ropes
at about the thirty yard line.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, it's like a imagine like a big like V,
like or a U shaped canyon, and you're standing at
the bottom of the V and the ropes are at
either point and then yeah, you're attached.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So it's about I mean, it's a couple hundred yards across.
How do you guys get the rope across in the
first place? The trade secrets if.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I told you the Illuminati would come after me, fair enough,
but no, it's different with each canyon. The easiest way
to do it is you just take a big long
rope with really small, skinny, lightweight rope so that it
doesn't weigh a lot, so it's easy to walk around.
You take one side up, one person on this side,
one person on this side, and you just take the
ends and you walk it around.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's the easiest way to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
How are you making sure that it's secure too, because
I remember when I first saw it and we were
kind of laughing, like we're literally just putting our lives
in this guy's hands essentially. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it's kind of a wild thing to walk upon
without having ever been in that world.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah. The way that we know it's.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Secure, we we know what the gear strength is this
gear that we use. You know, it's the same way
as like you know when your gaslight goes on on
your truck, you know how many more miles you've got
because you've done it a million times.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
When you said something, it's like you only learn certain
things by being in the trade like for so long.
So for example, with real estate, right, I was able
to just know things that I was terrible explaining it.
It's just like I just know this.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Because I'm sold, because you've done it in a million.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thousands of houses, you know what I mean. I just
know what this is going to look like. And you don't.
You can't really teach it. You can't really put it
on a spreadsheet. You just know because that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The biggest question we always get right is like what
if the ropes break? You know, it's a valid question,
of course, but it's a funny question to me because
like we know that the ropes break at about fifty
five hundred pounds, and you weigh probably two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Pounds, right, I mean two on two? All right, you've
been working out? Huh you've been working out late?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Do I look to twenty?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, dude, muscle is mass, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Fair?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, So, so realistically, like we just know what the
gear strength is and and we know what the what
the gear breaks at, and we know how much force
we have on the system at all times. There's these
we use, like these load cells they call them to
that shows us how much the ropes are pulling. And
so it's not even close. It's not even close. Yeah,
it's like a tan X safety ratio.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, and then and then we then sure that thenots
are super We just.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Build the system so overkill, like the way it is
just negligible.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
When everything's doubled up too, right.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Doubled or quick tripled or quadrupled.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So like if something were to go wrong, has anything
ever gone wrong like broken or like come undone or something? Yeah, no,
So if it did, hypothetically, there's still another total system
that would have to also come undone that's unconnected to
the first one.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Correct, you're attached to.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So what we do is we build two separate ropes
swings that have their own redundancies and backups on each one,
and then stack them on top of each other, right,
and then you clip into both of them as you jump.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, So it would literally have to completely go wrong twice.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like an airplane would have to come fly through the
canyon and hit the rope.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I have thought about that, like like a big old
LIGs thing of seagulls or something.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Sleagles wouldn't do it, but like a seven forty seven.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Can you imagine like a helicopter crashes on your line
while you're doing it all you problem. Yeah, yeah, Well
at one time we had a helicopter come and he
was hanging out and I remember just your mind just
starts going through like all the worst case scenarios, right,
because well, it's such an unnatural thing. It's what makes
it so special. The rope swing is there's very there's
no other way you get that feeling in the world,
like up until rope swings were created, or I guess
(10:33):
maybe bungee jumps a little bit, but not even a
bungee is not the same. You'd never got to experience
that feeling of free falling for several seconds and not die,
And so it's not like skydipping. It's a whole different thing.
You stumble out of the plane, the plane's moving, and
so you don't get the feeling of the free fall
in your gut when you jump out. Yes, this is
the only thing I've ever experienced where you truly feel like,
(10:56):
oh my god, I just jumped to my death.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's a really interesting feeling. And that's exactly the feeling
of free fall, the feeling of accelerating from zero right
at the.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Speed of acceleration and then what gravity takes you at.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And yeah, it's it's a really interesting thing because humans
don't normally get to experience that and live to tell
about it, right right there. There are very few select
you know, humans on earth that are professional athletes that
do get to experience that, like bass jumpers right, or
wingsuit skydivers.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh sorry, wingsuit based jumpers.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
If you're jumping off a cliff with a wing suit,
if you're jumping off cliffs with a bass rig, you
get to experience what it feels like to free fall.
The problem with that is you can't just go buy
a bas rig off Facebook marketplace and go go do that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No. Well, I was going to interview a guy on
my podcast once that is apparently one of the best
in the world on it, and I asked him like, hey,
could I base jump? Like I want to try it
because at the time I'm just like, oh, cool life adventure.
And he was like, do you have to have thousands
of jumps skydiving before your qualified to do this? This is
one of the most dangerous things in the world. It's
not a matter of if you're going to die do
and it's usually when I'm like holy shit, like base
(12:10):
jumping is one of the most dangerous things you can
do as a human being that you are actively pursuing.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, and you have to be very skilled at it
and very dial You can't just go go wing it, right,
And so the thing that's that's really special with the
rope swing is you get to experience what that feels
like without somebody strapped to your back, without without having
to go through the years and years of developing professional
skills to do it on your own to where you
(12:37):
can just come out, we clip you in, and then
you get to be like your own like professional superhero.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
You need to do it yourself, you know. So it's
kind of a unique thing in that way.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So once we did it, because we were the first
ones that kind of did it outside of your friend
group for my birthday, wasn't it? And so from there,
how did you guys get with the city and be
able to turn it into an actual company? I mean
you've had how many people have jumped now since you
guys open your company years ago?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh like ten thousand?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, quite a few.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Amazing because I think what Lee job, I think you
told me. I think the number was below two hundred
people I had ever done it with you guys, it.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Was yeah, quite a few, Yeah, quite very very few
at that point.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So how did you guys get it from Okay, we've
done this, because I remember that you were always working
with the city and with the people out there and
the BLM and everybody to try to get it. Figure out,
how did you guys get it to the point where
you can run it as the business?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, so we had to cut through a lot of
tape with the with the government because all the land
down there is owned by the government, so to run
a business, they have to give you a permit, right,
And we were the first ones to ever do what
we were doing as a business. So it essentially we
had to create we had to create the permit process,
what the permit looks like, what the permit I will
(13:46):
allow and won't allow, And yeah, it just it just
took a lot of years of like going and just
going and pushing and pushing and not stopping, and being
told no and then asking again, and then being told now,
and then asking again, and finally I honestly think that
they just got sick and be harassing them.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There's something to be said for that was like, oh
my gosh, just go for it. I needed something. The
other day, there's a there's this really powerful politician. He's
helping us out with something for a friend of mine.
And and I mean I've flown to his state multiple
times in the last four or five months to work
with him, to try to get him to work with
us and do this, and it got to the point
(14:22):
where it just still wasn't quite happening, and I finally
just went for broke. I started calling him every single day,
messaging him every single day. I just said, I'm burning
this down, like I'm gonna I know, I played the
politically correct way to get this done, and it wasn't happening.
So I just was like, I'm gonna be the squeaky
wheel dude. And it got He got it done.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Like to hail Mary.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You just know there's something to be said about that. Well.
When I was in real estate, it was funny. I
I would call people, starting usually about seven thirty eight
in the morning, I'd call for sell by owners. And
if I had a good lead, if somebody told me,
you know whatever, they told me to call him back.
If I knew I couldn't get appointment that day, I
would cut it in half and that's when i'd start
calling him again. So if I call me in two weeks,
then in a week, I'd start calling him. And once
(15:06):
they went into my lead follow up folder. I mean
I had an hour every day from eleven to twelve
where I'd call my leads and I was prospecting every morning,
so I had a lot of leads to go through,
but I would call them relentlessly. I would call them
four or five different times every day, and you know,
every now and then somebody'd get bugged, but it was
like once every six months. And somebody asked me once
(15:26):
they were like, well, dude, don't you feel like you're
bothering people? And I said, well, two things. Number one
is subconsciously they're like this rilter's on it. This dude's
going to be on it if somebody's interested in my house,
and so subconsciously they appreciate it and they're actually he's
winning them over. Yeah, this dude's a worker. This dude's
you know, working his ass off. And then the second
thing is is, you know, my coach would always be like,
(15:46):
you're never going to lose a lead for following up
too much, Like you'll lose leads all the time for
not following up enough though, and so I just decided
to be relentless. And it was funny and I so
many people same thing. It's like, God, this guy's going
to go. I don't Finally, I'll just give my call back.
But it's funny. There's a there's a guy, h Kelly Taylor.
I don't know if you know Kelly. He was in
(16:07):
Group one for a weird to day and he tells
the story he just told this is his ted talk.
But I'm sorry, Kelly. Kelly was Me and Kelly were
part of the group. His name is mel Anyway, long
story short Mele Singleton. He's a Group two. But he
only wanted to He was just basically trying to get
to know us, like me and Kelly and a few
other people. And uh and he said so he pretended
(16:27):
like he needed to buy a house. And when he
was telling the story, he was laughing his ass off.
He's like, bro, you called me like every day for
like three weeks in a row. I had no interest
in buying a house. I just wanted to get to
know you guys.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's like, never mind, abot.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
He's like, I was not prepared for what it looked
like when you have like some a fish on the
line to yeah, that's great. So you just was relentless
with it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, I mean they it's like they just kept kind
of kicking the ball down the down the road, down
the road, and eventually, yeah, we made it happen. And
that's when, Yeah, they finally gave me the permit to
start the company and then open it out, to open
it up to the public. You know, when like when
you guys started bringing we are they don't.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, well, I've seen so many guys jump off the
cliff now and they have that's really special. Every single
person there's this moment of truth where the cliff doesn't lie.
You find out who you are up there, because it
is the scariest thing imaginable. I've done it seven times now,
and I didn't do it the last two times we
went because I'm like, I'm good, Like I don't need
to keep doing it to you. I've jumped off that
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every way.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I know how, I know what that feeling feels like.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, but it's it's incredible at the same time. But
it's like I've seen women that had the breakthrough of
their life when we brought our women's group out there.
I've seen guys that literally, I don't know if you
really understand how many guys' lives a transformed from that cliff.
Dude like Brian Wrigley who was in the group with you,
Group four, he there was a you see it on
(17:54):
the documentary we made, but when he jumped off that cliff,
you could feel there was a release of energy. Gee
that that man came back up a different human. And
I've shared his before and afters because it's like the aura,
and it was when he literally was falling on that cliff.
When he came back up, it was a new man.
And you know, we've seen it with I've seen it
literally like dozens of guys that have just completely shifted.
(18:16):
We had a guy, Robert Mack and Group one that
he yelled, you know, f nicotine as he jumped off,
and dude has not smoked sense twenty one years and
he gave it up right there on the cliff. And
so it really is magical the transformation. Would people do
it with an intention when they jump off the cliff?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It was a that was a very surprising byproduct of
starting a business doing something that I just enjoyed to
do for fun, right. I thought it was just something
fun to do.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
We were out jumping off cliffs with our buddies and
we're like, hey, maybe other.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
People will want to do this too. But people started.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Showing up with intentions, and they started showing up with stories,
and man, it's like one of the most touching things
to to stand out there and listen to people's stories.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And a lot of people show up with a y.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We had we had a girl.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Just this last fall that her her brother passed away
falling off a cliff. And yeah, she came out and
we were given the safety briefing and we were talking
about edge safety and she said, yeah, edge safety is real,
and she shared her story and the story of her
brother falling off the cliff and and she was coming
(19:35):
out there to jump with us that day to.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Kind of conquer her her fear of that and.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Kind of get over get over that, bury it a
way to bury bury that pain. Yeah, we had another
lady come out that she was on like a year
and a half long road trip. She was completing her
husband's bucket list. Yeah, her her husband had passed away early.
(20:04):
He was a young dude like forty and they had
this bucket list and she had when he passed away,
she quit her job and she traveled the world completing
their bucket list, and we were the last stop.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Kind of kind of wild stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, No, it makes me emotional because I'm thinking of
different stories of different guys and what they left behind
on that cliff, you know, and it's magical. I remember
when you joined the group because you watched a few
of my guys come through a couple of groups and
you told me it was like, hey, man, I want
to join your group. I want to do this too.
And I remember you stood up there because you jump
(20:42):
off the thing a hundred times. I think even you
had a pretty profound moment when you did it with
you know, a big why.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, it was different, and that's kind of when it
all like clicked, like what this is right?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like what it is that you do with the weird
the day.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Because yeah, I've jumped off that thing hundreds of times
and like every time it's fun, right, every time, it's scary.
Still to this day, I just jumped off the other day.
A couple buddies came down and I finally I jumped off.
I hadn't jumped for like six months. I'm out there
every single day working, you know, and I jumped off
and everyone's like, oh, it's probably not even scary, Like, no,
it's scary, dude, every single it's try to tell people.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I'm like, I've done it seven times, and I'm like,
I have not feeling it today.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
But yeah, it was different when when you attach an
intention to it, you know, and you really feel what
it feels like to leave something behind and kind of
like start over, you know, start something a new goal
or a new a new process that you want to
leave behind in and and start over. And yeah, it was, Uh,
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it was the first time that it actually meant something
to me jumping off that cliff. It was the first
time it meant something, wow, other than just like me
backflips I can do right?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, so it was. It was pretty special for me.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's awesome, man, And you just finished the program two years.
We just finished like a week ago, dude, wild right,
it really is? It goes so fast?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, really wild. Yeah, it was interesting for me.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I probably have a different perspective than most of the
guys that are in your group because I get to
meet everybody the first day they the first day they're
in your group, basically the first weekend. And as you
bring them down to the rope swing, I get to
meet him and chat with them, and then we all
end up friends on Instagram whatever, and we see each
other around town over the course of the years while
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they're going through And and yeah, for me, the reason
why I hit you up that I was just like, dude,
I want to do that, right. I just I saw
the guys and their transformations over the years as they
were going through We Are the they and all of
their testimonials. And it wasn't testimonials, right, it was like,
(22:50):
this is why this is a good thing, right. It
was just like it was just sharing their experience, you know.
It was seeing seeing the brotherhood and seeing the trust
and the bond and and all the magic.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That happens, you know. And I'm like, I'm just watching
that as as like life goes on.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And and I was at a point where I kind
of felt like I was falling behind with like my
personal development stuff, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
So and so, yeah, I hit you up. I was like, dude,
I want to do this thing.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And and yeah, two years later, it just we just
finished up.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
What was the was the most impactful part of it
for you?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It was for me it was the connections.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
It was the It was the people that I was
sitting in the room with every day that were that
you knew that you could call them at two o'clock
in the morning with a flat tire or with a
just needing somebody, somebody to talk to. And looking around
that room, you knew every single one of those dudes
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would pick up the phone and be there for you.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Why do you think we're able to do that? And
weird that they were so many groups they stay on
the surface. What do you think it was that allowed
for those friendships to be so real?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I think the first thing is you cut straight through
the bullshit. There's no bullshit. You trim the fat right
from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Isn't that fun? Because nobody's trying to flex, nobody's like
trying to impress everybody. It's just people are just being real.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know, eagles are out the window.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You know there's no egos in those rooms, and if
there is, they get squashed pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yep, in the nicest way possible.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Sometimes I can be a little bit inappropriate, But but no,
I think it's I think it's the it's setting the
container and setting the expectation that, like everyone, everyone's.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Expected to show up, you know, and not to show
up physically. Everyone's expected to show up and go all out.
And part that means like being there for the guy
sitting next to you, but also allowing the guy sitting
next to you to be there for you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's a hard part for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That was the hard part for me.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, maybe you said that, ye hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm like, I'm like, I can take care of myself,
you know, I don't need to bug you with my problems.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right Well, we feel like we're a burden, But it's
such a gift you give to people when you do
allow them to be there for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, And I think that just that just creates an
environment where people feel comfortable depending on somebody else and
trusting somebody else to to maybe walk them through a
hard part in their life that the guy sitting next
to you has been through before. You know, there are
so many people in that room that I never would
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have rubbed shoulders.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
With, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Oh yeah, there's so many people sitting there that are
like my best friends now that I never would have
in a million years been sitting in the same room
as those guys you know.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well. It reminds me of the Brene Brown has a
really cool quote where she's like, anybody that you get
to know them well enough, you're going to love, like
if you truly get to know somebody at their core,
because we all kind of you walk into every room
and we don't mean to do it, but we're sizing
everyone up or deciding who we want to be friends with.
We're seeing who the fun guys are, you know. Yeah,
And like a lot of times, we're taught to attach
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the value of the person to what they can provide
or what they do or whatever how much money they
have or you know, their status or whatever that might be.
And when you can get past that's what I love
about in Mohamma, I think you talked about this a
little bit. Is like getting rid of egos? Is we
do that badass list where I have everybody say what
makes them cool? Because when you hear people say it,
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and it's really hard for a lot of people to
come up with that list when they first start thinking
about it. But then all of a sudden, you just go, oh,
every single person is worthy of getting to know, Like
they're all cool.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Everyone's got their own story.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, everyone's got their own their own story and their
own experience, and some of them are light years different
than my story totally, and there's always things that like,
even though you can't relate, there's always things that you
can learn, you know, And that was that was one
of the one of the things that I cherished the most,
(27:17):
is like being able to learn and grow from people
who are so much further along than I am, you know,
and have gone through so much more life experience.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Dude, I feel that way. And I'm the creator of
the group, you know. I'm like sitting there and I'm like,
I've learned stuff from you, I learned stuff from every
guy in the room. I'm just like, oh. And It's
what I love about it too, is that it creates
a container where you do get triggered, where you do
get like, you get to see your blind spots, you
get to see where you still have some problems or
some pain. And for me, as the leader of the group,
(27:49):
it's like, oh, I don't like that. I need to
start I need to look at that. I need to
see why I reacted that way. And I have this
immediate feedback of these guys that love me enough to
be like, hey man, here's something that yeah, we noticed too,
definitely not above it.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
When we were we were at one of the lootises
in Rush Valley. I had a conversation with one of
the guys in the group and he was asking about
my you know, my plan. We were talking about my
daughter and kind of how they grow up, and and.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Like, I've never been a guy with much of a plan,
you know.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He kind of just wing it. Yeah, And I told
that too. I'm like, oh, you know, I never had
much of a plan.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I kind of just wing it.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And and he he didn't buy it, right. He didn't
let that slide. He stared to be straight in my
eyes and he put his finger up even and he said,
you better get a plan.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I was like, I was like, and then he kept going,
you know, he said your daughter, because we were talking
about real estate stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Ka, I'm thirty five. I didn't have a house.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I've lived up you know, we re lived in rentals,
kind of in and out rentals, and.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So he goes, you better get a plan.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
And your daughter, she's nine years old, she's grown up,
getting shuffled around from rental house to rental house.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He's like, do you do you want that to be
her childhood?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, But two weeks later, I bought a house. I
didn't even see it. I bought it without even looking at.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It, when you probably probably hadn't even like, what a
beautiful thing. It was a total blind spot, right, total
blind spot. Yeah, I just hadn't thought about it. Yeah,
that's I love that too, dude. It's I think that
we we so undervalue people that love us enough to
say difficult things and have tough conversations with us. Like,
I value that so much. And if you are surrounded
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with people that are always just agreeing with you or
you don't tell you anything, you're probably not very approachable
aa and you probably need to find some people that
don't agree with you on a couple of things. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I love being told what I'm doing wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Same. You know, so I paid for it wrong because
I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, like that's an easy thing. I'm a fixer. I'm
doing wrong, let's fix it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, it's like, show me a blueprint of what works,
and I can usually follow it really good. Sometimes though
it's hard if you don't know what you're doing wrong,
Like I had, I had a thing in It was
the beginning of April and I just this person offended
me and I absolutely like kind of like wanted him
to fill my wrath a little bit, I guess you
could say. And it honestly was wrong time, wrong response,
(30:11):
wrong way of handling it. And I felt justified in
the time. It felt good to do it in the moment.
And one of my buddies was one of my best friends.
He called me and he goes, I need to come
over to your house. It's chap and he came. He
sat down and he said, did you're better than this?
What are you doing? He's like, is this who you
want to be? And he really gave it to me,
and I was like, he was so accurate, though, And
I've since then, I've had the same thing trigger me twice,
(30:34):
and both times I was able to catch myself and go,
hold on, who do you want to be? Who do
you want to show up as? Who do you want
to be known as? And I was able to stop
from making the same mistake because I had a friend
love me enough to go, dude, what are you doing?
Stop it? You know? And so again it's just I
just value that so much and it's hard to find
(30:55):
it because in the you know, you have like your
romantic relationship, and that has its own ways. It's going
to trigger you and help you see things like nothing's
gonna help you more than your romantic partner, probably, but
there's also things that like I always say that we
all have three families. You got like the one you're
born into, the one you're creating, and then you have
the like your brotherhood, your buddies, because you have to
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have a place where you can go and get on
his feedback. These dudes are in the fight with you.
They can put their arm around you and be like,
let's go, we're going together, Like your parents aren't gonna
do that. They're just loving you. No matter what your spouse.
You're gonna freak them out if you drop all your
trauma on them and all your insecurities and bullshit and
worries and everything else. Like there's things you want to
open up to, but once you already have a planet,
(31:36):
how you're gonna fix it? Right? I see that sometimes
where guys go trauma dump on their partner, and their
partners terrified and all of a sudden loses attraction. You're like, well, yeah,
that was You need some boys, dude. Like, if you've
never had a group, you've had boys, I've had boys
like dudes where you can just like, Yo, we're gonna
go punch each other a little bit, We're gonna rough
each other up a little bit, we're gonna tease each other,
we're gonna make fun of each other, and then we're
(31:56):
gonna love the shit out of each other. And if
you've never had that kind of a brotherhood, And that's
what I love about Weird today is even if people
that have had those friends, they get it at a
level because these guys want nothing from you. They there's
no like they didn't even know you before a program.
And so you really are able to build like a
tribe of men that can help you with those things.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that's the
value in it for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, it's those those friendships and everything like that. So
with the rope swing, you probably have a lot of
temptations to grow it, to make it bigger you currently have.
It's kind of a dream job for you, I'm guessing.
I mean, you've you just a desert right, You're just
going to go out and do your thing. But now
you're I mean, you've turned this into a very successful business.
(32:40):
What's what's kind of in your mind as far as
where you want to go with it?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is a dream job. I
have to catch myself sometimes, you know, because because every
job sucks sometimes.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Sure, every job has shitty parts.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Every job's got bad parts to it. And you know,
sometimes we're out there in one hundred and five degree
weather and then we're sweating and the ropes are you know, gritty,
and your fingers are blistered, and like.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Oh I can't wait to get home.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And then you have to catch yourself and you're like
you look around, You're like, oh my gosh, Like this
is my job, you know. Yeah, it's awesome. I get
to I get to work with all my best buds,
you know. I get to have all my friends out
there working with us. And every time, every day that
we go out to work, our clients are having the
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best day of their lives.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You know. So I've had to like remind myself of
that because I've watched close to four hundred people jump
off the cliff now between all my groups and then
my buddies on my birthday, So I'm like, I mean,
there's no I was joking around with one of the guys.
I was like, there is literally nothing you can do
jumping off this cliff that would impress me, and there's
nothing you can do that would like entertain me more
(33:49):
than I am. However, I also want to honor that
this is one of the coolest moments of your life.
So it's like, you can't forget that, like for that person,
even though I've seen the damn thing. Four hundred, you've
seen a ten thousand, You're like, Okay, there's like it's
just another person jumping off a cliff in some ways,
but then it's like, no, this is such a pivotal
moment of this person's life, in such a huge one.
(34:10):
I always say, make as many memories as you can
that you're going to remember on your deathbed, and that's
a day for you doing that. That's one of those moments,
and so I try to never minimize it, right, I
really want to like honor each person's jump.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, showing up to work every
day is like it's like a drink because everybody's having
the best day of their lives. Everybody's stoked, everybody's excited,
everybody's you know, everybody's just really happy to be there,
which makes a really fun environment to just exist in
every day, you know. But yeah, as far as as
far as expanding, like so, we just moved to this
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new area this last year, from one canyon in Moab
to a different canyon in Moab, and the jump is
quite a bit bigger.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now, Yeah, I mean is deeper and longer.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You feel it, Yeah, you feel that extra that extra
couple hundred feet a rope. Yeah, we've still got We've
still got quite a bit more that we can't expand
in mob You know, we're not tapped out yet. Most
people that come to mo Ab don't even know that
we exist.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You know, they're just googling things to do in mo Avenue.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Know, most people come and they go rent jeeps and
rent razors and then leave.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
They don't even they don't even they don't even know
fair enough yet. So yeah, we still got we still
got quite a bit that we can we can do.
But yeah, for right now, for right now, we're we're
focused on Moab. There's a couple of little little ideas
and tangents here and there that might pan out, but.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
We'll talk about this because the temptation is always to
do the next thing, er, to go bigger. We talked
about this a little bit on the cliff last week,
and it's for me, one of my biggest mistakes I made.
I think within Weird that they was trying to build
it too quick, too big, too fast. I just I
wanted it to go to everybody, and it just it
(35:54):
caused me a lot of financial and otherwise stresses, right yeah,
And then you know, I remember with realists, I did
the opposite. I never I don't like managing people, and
so I never wanted to have to like manage a
bunch of people, and so I kept it pretty small
on purpose. I never built my team more than three
other agents because I just didn't want to deal with
the stress of people, honestly. But I you know, one
(36:15):
of my sayings is be careful trying to be happier
than happy, Like when you have a great thing going,
it can just be enough. Like I pulled back Weird
the day to the exact size I wanted to be.
And now I've never been happier doing it the way
we're doing it. Like the big mistake I made is
so many women kept saying we want something, we want something,
(36:36):
and I thought I could provide it. I just everything
was working, everything was going great, and we did and
it was We did it for about a year, year
and a half and it was fine, like a lot
of women got a lot out of it. But it
stressed me so much more and it caused me. I mean,
financially it was a terrible idea, but otherwise just to
stress that it caused me. And I realized, I'm like, dude,
(36:58):
just because you can do anything, it does, I mean
you can do everything, you really do. Got to focus
in and so I think you're smart, dude, Like be
careful being trying to be happier than happy.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, you know, it's it's been a grind, you know,
as fun as it is and as awesome as it is.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Like I've been I've.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Been head down, nose to the grind wheel for five
years getting this thing to where it's at. And you know,
had to say no to a lot of things along
the way, a lot of things that I wanted to
do that.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I just couldn't. I just had to be there, you know,
to run it and grow it.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And and yeah, it's it's finally to a point now
where like we we have our good people in place,
Like my team is awesome, my crew is awesome, and
I'm starting to have like some free time, you know.
And this is what we talked about the other day,
is like, man, like I can double down now, you know.
And and it's a little bit of an internal battle
(37:45):
because I'm always I'm always pushing and I'm always pushing.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I think that's inherent in humans. As we want to progress,
we would do more, right.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, And at the same time, like I'm like, man,
I would I would love to just like kick back
and like hang with my buds, you know, like do
a fun trip with my buds and not have to
be stressed about, you know, being back by Monday, you know,
six a m type of thing. S. Yeah, I think
I think right now we're pretty content. You know, I'm
pretty content with with what it is.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
When you spend I mean you you just spend a
week with your daughter just doing whatever you go, you
get to you know, you have some of that freedom
now and that time freedom to do someone listening.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah yeah, And it's like it's like that's the time
that I cherish the most, you know, like we I
get to take her out and you know, show her
how to rock climb, and like.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
She she called me the other day out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Man, she called me and says, Dad, I want to
go learn how to surf in the ocean. Like like
I'm like thinking of the back of my head, I'm like, dude,
I don't know how to surf.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Like I don't. I've tried to serve with my buddies
and I suck.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, Like we'll go paddle out and like my buddies
are surfing and I'm just getting pummeled by the way,
is right.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
And and so I'm on the phone with her and I.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Said, yeah, yeah, let's go surf. I'm down, let's do it.
And I called my bud immediately. He's a surfer. He's like,
he's the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Like if anybody has surfer buddies, it's gonna be you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I'm like, hey, man, you gotta you gotta help me
out here.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Like I'm starting from zero, you know, he says Okay,
flight at this place, rep boards from this place, go
to this wave, go there on this day, She'll have
the time of her life.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And so we did it, like we did.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We hopped off flight, we flew out to Hawaii for
a couple of days, exactly what he told me to
And sure enough, dude, she freaking had the time of
her life.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And yeah, it's cool to be able to have the
time to do that now, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And I look at those and I'm like, man, I
I didn't have the time to do that last year.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah. You know, before you got into this, you were welding.
Like we're working sixty seventy hours a week, right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The welding company was a grind. Yeah, literally like that.
It was. It's hard physical labor.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
There's I hope if people listening to this podcast you
can take out of this like you didn't just stumble
upon this thing. That's not because I think you and I,
as much as anyone I know, have jobs that like
fit them perfectly. It doesn't mean they're not tough sometimes
to I mean, they don't have difficult events. But I
would say this is my dream job, and I think
for you it is too, absolutely, and there's a we
(40:07):
were doing stuff. We were doing stuff on the side,
we were putting things together, you were trying stuff out,
you were taking action. There's a lot of lessons like
to be seen of how you built this thing. It
wasn't well, didn't fall in your lap metaphorically speaking.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's one of those things where you know, people always say, like, oh,
do your job. That doesn't make you feel like you're working, right.
I always thought I was bullshit. I was like, no, no, no,
you do the job, and you suffer through the job
so that you can pay for the trips you want
to go on. And the thing that you and I
both did is like you were doing we are the.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Day before you started. We are that they right, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Like you were doing it all the things that were
impactful in my life, and it was all the trips
I was already doing with.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
My buddies exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
And the same thing with what I was doing, I was,
you know, I was down in the desert doing it,
just constantly doing it and learning and growing and making
it one percent better and one percent better every time,
until you know, it did become the job that we
both dreamed.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Of you know, yeah, yeah, that's the lesson. I think
it's because people always say, like, well, I don't have
time to like do anything different because people they want
to start a podcast, they want to get into real
estate on the side, whatever it might be. And it's like, dude,
if you're working forty five hours a week, that's a
pretty full job. You have one hundred and sixty eight
hours in a week. You have about call it one
hundred and ten awake hours, right, that's getting good sleep
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every night. That's eight hours of sleep, So one and
ten hundred and fifteen. I mean, how many of those
do you need to spend watching sports? How many do
you need to spend with I mean, be honest, like
your family should get a lot of those, but not
all of them. A couple, you know, ten to go
to the gym or working out, and you still got
I mean, take the busiest person I know, there's thirty
to fifty hours in there. If you really want to
(41:40):
make it work, spend half of them starting to learn
of some of these things that you really enjoy. And
then you know the thing about weird that they you said,
you know, I wasn't lost me. You said, I've spent
the last five years grinding this. My birthday party basically
was four years ago, pretty much to the day, and
so like you start thinking about that, you know, you
built this, but still but it took me a year
(42:02):
to get you so five.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Years, five years before that.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
But my point is, though, is like you were working
on it, and you were doing these things on the
side of your willingness. The same thing with me, Like
it took me two years from conception of like, hey,
I need to do something to figure out what it was,
and it changed ten different ways.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, yeah, And I think people are scared scared to
do that, right, People are scared to commit. People think
that if I want to start something, I have to
stop this and start that, and it's not you. You
have to find out what you're good at. Yeah, you
have to find out what you're good at and what
you enjoy. And then while you're finding that out, like
maybe it goes a little bit of a different direction,
but then at least you know, and then you've been
doing it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Now you have the skill sets and now you can
monetize it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah. When I went five months full time doing two
jobs full time because I was still doing real estate
I need to make sure that like this was going
to work. And then when I launched a group two,
I knew it was going to work because it sold out,
you know again, in like a couple of days, and
I was like, Okay, this is this is my new thing.
And then I was able to turn over my real
estate team. But I was working two full time jobs
for about out five months before I kind of made
(43:02):
that shift. Dude, I want to hear I'll tell you
my favorite rope swing story, and then I want to
hear your all time favorite rope swing story. Mine is
it was a guy in group too. I won't say
his name. But so we go through this whole thing
with the guys when they are going to jump, and
it starts the day before and we really go through
what are you trying to leave behind? What bad relate,
negative relationship, bad habit or limiting belief do you want
(43:24):
to leave on the cliff you come back up with
a new one, right. It's kind of like a baptism
in a way. And so the guys go through this
whole thing. I make him meditate forty five minutes. We're
really thinking about what they want to leave at the
bottom of the cliff and there's this guy your group too, dude.
He comes up off the cliff and he's so excited
and he's I love him. He's just he's just this guy.
But he he gets up and I give him a
(43:46):
big hug and he goes, Dude, he goes, I threw
my wedding ring off down there. I'm done. And I
was like, no, dude, please tell me you didn't throw
your wedding ring down there. He's like, yeah, I'm done
with that relationship. I'm like no, I'm like, your poor wife.
She's like goes, goes to the street tree and next
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she knows that guy's like done with your marriage. I'm
gonna get some hate mail. And he comes up to
me later in the day he goes, I got a
better idea. I'm done with that relationship, the one that
wasn't working. I'm gonna stay with my wife, but we're
going to build a new one. And I'm like, okay,
like that. But I'm just like, oh, I have totally
this is this totally was not what I wanted to
disaster avoid anyway. He was so excited to tell me,
(44:30):
and I'm just like, my job is hit the ground.
I'm like, it's like when you do Ayahuascar, they say,
don't make any important life decisions for a week. Yeah,
it's a little bit. I should have just made that more.
I tell that story now as a joke so people
know not to do. Yeah, I don't do that anyway.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Favorite rope swing story, man, Uh, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Uh. I think.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'll tell you the fair one that that is with
somebody you know. Okay, it was actually just last time
you guys came out. My favorites are always just watching
people freak out.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
On just watching people just get stuck.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
And just get absolutely scared.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yes, but then like stay there for ten minutes and
then I have to unclip right, I'm not gonna do it.
Then go back and clip in and get absolutely scared again,
and then by the end of the day eventually they jump.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah right. Those are the best ones.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Those are those are the absolute best. Like it just
warms your heart, you know, like you know that like
they just overcame something inside them and like they're gonna
leave that day feeling.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
So empowered and the opposite if they didn't do it,
they would have gone back feeling so defeated. Yeah right,
and so it's like such a big moment, so much
bigger than just jumping off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
But I'd say one of the most one of the
most recent favorites. Uh, it was actually Mo the last
time you came out.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
So Mo.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
He's a dude that.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I've always looked up to, right, He's like just he's
just like the ultimate man.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well, that's why I most going to be basically taking
over the next group of weird that they because he
really embodies everything that is just a healthy, masculine manead
like he really does.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Dude, you better be careful. He might do better than you.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh he probably, Well I hope he does it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
But you might put you out of business.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
No, he's going to become the business bro. Like I'm
not joking when I say this. Like when I first
met him, and I was just every part of him.
He's so grounded, he's so base, he's just like he
really is such a great man. He cares more about
other humans thannyone I've ever met. He volunteered to come.
He just said, can I just volunteer to come to
all your events? And I'm like, yeah, sure, And he
just would keep coming. And he's been to probably twenty
(46:38):
of my events and he helps me on everything and
he never, not one time is the guy ever a problem.
He's just a great addition. And so, oh, trust me,
I have no doubt the program is going to be
better off with. Like, here's the thing, dude, I'm very
self aware, Like I know why people don't like me.
I know the problems I have. Okay, Like I know
I am the problem of this company getting bigger than
(47:00):
it already is. Okay, I am the bottleneck. But by
removing myself and honest to God, like having somebody like
Mo that just embodies everything i'd want to weird that
the remember to be it. Really trust me, this is
not lost on me. I know that he's going to
take us to another level.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah yeah, so this is this is this is par
for the course with Mo. So he's he's jumped off
before and he didn't want to jump because it's scary, right,
just like it's like once you know what that's going
to feel like, it's like when you.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Have to do it again, you're like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
No, it's not easier.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
But before he jumped, he told me he's like he's like,
I'm gonna jump backwards.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Like, oh, okay, cool, He's like I'm scared shitless.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Like yeah, he's like I don't want to. Like I'm like, okay,
nobody's making you. Right, I'm not going to make you
jump backwards. You just said it. I was you know,
I'm not going to make you do it. You tell
me you don't want to. Now he's like, no, no, no,
I don't want to do it, So I'm going to
do it. And that's just who he is as a person,
totally like charged towards the thing that you don't want
to do.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, when Charlie Kirk died, he went rand thirty one
miles that day in his honor.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, but just just a small little thing for me.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
The favorite, my favorite part of that whole jump was
I he said he was jumping backwards.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
You can see his eyes.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
And and I watched his eyes as he was jumping.
And if you guys you know listening, no, mo, he's
he's just he's ripped, right. He's like the most athletically
body fast, Like yeah, he's like the most like in
shape fit human that I've ever met, which usually comes
(48:39):
along with like ego and like tough man mentality. Right,
but he doesn't have any Yeah, but his eyes as
he was exiting backwards just told the whole story about
what was about.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
What was happening inside his soul.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
And so that was the fun thing to watch of
just like, yeah, even even like my heroes get scared sometimes.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Beauty man. One of my favorites was watching you when
you did it with Weird the Day, because you know, again,
I knew you jumped a hundred times and you just
stood there on the edge of the cliff and I
could tell you were kind of just going through a
little bit of a death of this person that had
been there before, and you were getting ready to really,
you know, jump and make a difference. And it was
really really fun for me to watch that one too.
(49:21):
This is one of my favorite ones for sure. So well, dude,
such a pleasure, man, it's been fun. Thank you for
letting me be part of your story and you're such
a big part of our story. And man, it's such
a cool thing. I went to all these Tony Robbins
events and all these other ones, and there's something about
so when you want to make a real shift in
your life, you want to get it in your body,
you need to feel it there needs to be a
(49:41):
movement to it, and Tony Robins talks about it. That's
why he'll do like they do this thing where they
jump on like a rope and it's it's kind of
lame though. I did it at Life Mastery in Fiji
and they do the firewalk, which is fine, but you've
done it. It's whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, I've got some scars on my toes from him.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah. Yeah. So I was literally thinking, like, what is
the most scary thing that you can get it in
your body? And I think that's why it's so effective
because you feel that and you've never had a feeling
like that, and so it literally sticks with you. That
commitment stays in your body. And it's been literally dude,
I think it's the reason why we're that they like
was so effective in helping people change. They don't come
(50:21):
back the same person when they jump off that cliff.
So just thanks again, man.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, of course, man.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I love you, brother. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I love to hear you guys all down there.
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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Jimmy Rex Show.
Today on the podcast, I'm here with my close buddy,
mister Taylor Palmer, and he is the founder of Rope
Swing MOAB and this is such a special interview for me,
a big interview for me, because Taylor really, without the
rope Swing, I don't know if we are that they
ever would have happened. I recognized very early on I
needed to have something that was our signature thing that
(00:26):
we do with our clients and our new members when
they come in. And I saw these videos that Taylor
and a couple of my buddies had been doing this
rope swing. It literally was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
So I reached out to Taylor and became his first
and favorite client and it's kind of gone from there.
But today we're going to talk about his story and
talk about a little bit more what this rope swing
thing is all about. Look, Taylor, welcome to the podcast now.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Man it stock to be here, dude.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was so funny when I first saw the rope
swing video I Ben Jorgensen had posted it. Yea and
you and just you, you and your buddies were doing
it like it was just a couple people at ever.
I remember when and I told Ben, I said, dude,
I've been wanting to do something really special for my
fortieth birthday. And I still didn't know I was gonna
do weird the day, but I was trying to set
up an adventure club where we were just doing crazy things.
(01:20):
That was my original idea. That's what what was supposed
to be originally. And I saw that, and I'm like,
that has to be the first thing we do, and saw, dude.
I think it was like nine months. I begged to
try to have you do You weren't doing it. You're
just like, nah, I don't care. And I just kept
up in the price that i'd pay you, and eventually,
thankfully you said yes.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, we we just started doing it as buddies.
You know, it was a It was just a fun
thing to do in the desert. You know, once you
start hanging around in the desert enough, you're climbing up everything,
jumping off everything, and one thing leads to the next
and before you know what, you're doing three hundred foot
rope swings.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's crazy. So what were you doing, like take us
back before, like, so you guys, how did you first
find out about their ropes? Like, how did this thing?
Did somebody else? Do you saw a video or you
knew somebody that did or what.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, So I wasn't the first one to ever set
up a rope swing in the desert. People have been
doing big rope swings there forever. It's a pretty unique landscape, right,
It's kind of one of the only spots in the
world you can do these big, giant rope swings. We
have a lot of big cliffs, a lot of big
arches that kind of facilitate that type of activity. So, yeah,
(02:29):
I wasn't the first one to do it by any means.
People have been doing these things for a long time.
The way that it started arches. Arches are really easy
to swing off of, right, because you already have your structure.
You just go clip a climbing rope to them and
jump off a wall and you swing through them.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Don't those come up their own form of like danger though,
because it's it's an actual archy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Everything to do with this lifestyle comes with a form
of danger. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The reason why the arch swing was so dangerous is
because it was so accessible and you've probably all seen
videos of the Corona Arch Swing. It's uber uber famous.
It's illegal now because it got to the point where
people would just go buy a climbing rope from Arii
and go clip it to the arch and serious, yeah,
(03:23):
and buy a climbing harness and jump off. And unfortunately, like, yeah,
there were some major major injuries and deaths.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That was what it's been a while, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right, yeah, like ten years ago they closed that made that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Illegal, and what caused them, Like what do they do wrong?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The ropes that we use are stretchy. They're climbing ropes.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They'll stretch up to like twenty thirty percent of their
original length, and so if you measure your rope wrong
and then you jump, the rope stretches and you hit
the you hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Damn. So that's how they did be Yeah, yeah, it
in it.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, you hit hard.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know when we're talking about these type of masses
and lengths and dis and says, yeah, it's a it's
a very abrupt stop. So yeah, they do come with
a lot of risks, and you know that's why, honestly,
like starting the company that we started, we were fighting
uphill battles Since the beginning, rope swings have have always
(04:18):
kind of been pushed aside and outlawed. You know, any
any bridge you go to that you'll see a sign
that says no rope swings, right, And that's because people
can so easily just clip a rope to it without
really knowing what they're getting into and jump off.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And hurt themselves. Right, it makes sense, you said, just
when it's that accessible, people quit because one thing that
I love when we go with you, it's funny because
you're like, we're doing the scariest thing a manager imaginable.
But when you get there and you see how professional
you are, you see how much you pay attention to
the details, you see how dialed in you are, You're like, oh,
this is like this needs to be taken very seriously.
(04:56):
And I can just imagine people just like, don't you know,
because then there was nobody doing it. You couldn't just
hire you. So if you want to go do it,
you and your buddies like, I think I know how
to do this next thing?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You know, well, And that's why, like you said at
the beginning, when you were trying to reach out to us.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's why we told, you know, for so long, it's
because doing what we were doing with the people that
we were doing it with, we have to trust each other.
It's a thing where it's a very acquired skill set
that you can't just learn in a book. You can't
just read it on the internet. You can't you can't
learn how to do what we do in any way
other than being there doing it. And like learning from
(05:32):
learning from previous I wouldn't call them mistakes, but like
learning experiences, right, because like there's a zero tolerance for
mistakes with what we do. Like if we start having mistakes,
that's when that's when the consequences start getting real.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So, yeah, we would have people hit us up all.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
The time to try to come join in on, you know,
the fun, And unfortunately it just wasn't a thing where
we could bring in a bunch of people that we
didn't know or trust, because we had to Like if
I had to send somebody the other to the other
side of the canyon to like check an out, I
have to depend on him, right, I have to know
that if he says it's good, that it's like that
(06:09):
it's good, right, And so it wasn't an exclusive thing
that we tried to hide or like keep people out,
but it was a thing that we had to just
be able to essentially trust each other with our lives.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah. Well, and it's it when you get there and
you say, I mean when I did the one for
my birthday party, you guys went out two days before
and set it up. It wasn't like this thing's just
permanently out there. You guys were spending two days getting
it all set up. And for people that have never
seen it, if you maybe paint a picture because you
have this giant goalie and you're kind of if you
picture a football field, on the two sidelines is where
(06:43):
the two ropes are, and then you're standing in the
end zone basically, and you jump off, and the ropes
at about the thirty yard line.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, it's like a imagine like a big like V,
like or a U shaped canyon, and you're standing at
the bottom of the V and the ropes are at
either point and then yeah, you're attached.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So it's about I mean, it's a couple hundred yards across.
How do you guys get the rope across in the
first place? The trade secrets if.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I told you the Illuminati would come after me, fair enough,
but no, it's different with each canyon. The easiest way
to do it is you just take a big long
rope with really small, skinny, lightweight rope so that it
doesn't weigh a lot, so it's easy to walk around.
You take one side up, one person on this side,
one person on this side, and you just take the
ends and you walk it around.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's the easiest way to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
How are you making sure that it's secure too, because
I remember when I first saw it and we were
kind of laughing, like we're literally just putting our lives
in this guy's hands essentially. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it's kind of a wild thing to walk upon
without having ever been in that world.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah. The way that we know it's.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Secure, we we know what the gear strength is this
gear that we use. You know, it's the same way
as like you know when your gaslight goes on on
your truck, you know how many more miles you've got
because you've done it a million times.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
When you said something, it's like you only learn certain
things by being in the trade like for so long.
So for example, with real estate, right, I was able
to just know things that I was terrible explaining it.
It's just like I just know this.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Because I'm sold, because you've done it in a million.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thousands of houses, you know what I mean. I just
know what this is going to look like. And you don't.
You can't really teach it. You can't really put it
on a spreadsheet. You just know because that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The biggest question we always get right is like what
if the ropes break? You know, it's a valid question,
of course, but it's a funny question to me because
like we know that the ropes break at about fifty
five hundred pounds, and you weigh probably two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Pounds, right, I mean two on two? All right, you've
been working out? Huh you've been working out late?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Do I look to twenty?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, dude, muscle is mass, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Fair?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, So, so realistically, like we just know what the
gear strength is and and we know what the what
the gear breaks at, and we know how much force
we have on the system at all times. There's these
we use, like these load cells they call them to
that shows us how much the ropes are pulling. And
so it's not even close. It's not even close. Yeah,
it's like a tan X safety ratio.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, and then and then we then sure that thenots
are super We just.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Build the system so overkill, like the way it is
just negligible.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
When everything's doubled up too, right.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Doubled or quick tripled or quadrupled.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So like if something were to go wrong, has anything
ever gone wrong like broken or like come undone or something? Yeah, no,
So if it did, hypothetically, there's still another total system
that would have to also come undone that's unconnected to
the first one.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Correct, you're attached to.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So what we do is we build two separate ropes
swings that have their own redundancies and backups on each one,
and then stack them on top of each other, right,
and then you clip into both of them as you jump.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, So it would literally have to completely go wrong twice.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like an airplane would have to come fly through the
canyon and hit the rope.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I have thought about that, like like a big old
LIGs thing of seagulls or something.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Sleagles wouldn't do it, but like a seven forty seven.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Can you imagine like a helicopter crashes on your line
while you're doing it all you problem. Yeah, yeah, Well
at one time we had a helicopter come and he
was hanging out and I remember just your mind just
starts going through like all the worst case scenarios, right,
because well, it's such an unnatural thing. It's what makes
it so special. The rope swing is there's very there's
no other way you get that feeling in the world,
like up until rope swings were created, or I guess
(10:33):
maybe bungee jumps a little bit, but not even a
bungee is not the same. You'd never got to experience
that feeling of free falling for several seconds and not die,
And so it's not like skydipping. It's a whole different thing.
You stumble out of the plane, the plane's moving, and
so you don't get the feeling of the free fall
in your gut when you jump out. Yes, this is
the only thing I've ever experienced where you truly feel like,
(10:56):
oh my god, I just jumped to my death.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's a really interesting feeling. And that's exactly the feeling
of free fall, the feeling of accelerating from zero right
at the.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Speed of acceleration and then what gravity takes you at.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And yeah, it's it's a really interesting thing because humans
don't normally get to experience that and live to tell
about it, right right there. There are very few select
you know, humans on earth that are professional athletes that
do get to experience that, like bass jumpers right, or
wingsuit skydivers.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh sorry, wingsuit based jumpers.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
If you're jumping off a cliff with a wing suit,
if you're jumping off cliffs with a bass rig, you
get to experience what it feels like to free fall.
The problem with that is you can't just go buy
a bas rig off Facebook marketplace and go go do that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No. Well, I was going to interview a guy on
my podcast once that is apparently one of the best
in the world on it, and I asked him like, hey,
could I base jump? Like I want to try it
because at the time I'm just like, oh, cool life adventure.
And he was like, do you have to have thousands
of jumps skydiving before your qualified to do this? This is
one of the most dangerous things in the world. It's
not a matter of if you're going to die do
and it's usually when I'm like holy shit, like base
(12:10):
jumping is one of the most dangerous things you can
do as a human being that you are actively pursuing.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, and you have to be very skilled at it
and very dial You can't just go go wing it, right,
And so the thing that's that's really special with the
rope swing is you get to experience what that feels
like without somebody strapped to your back, without without having
to go through the years and years of developing professional
skills to do it on your own to where you
(12:37):
can just come out, we clip you in, and then
you get to be like your own like professional superhero.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
You need to do it yourself, you know. So it's
kind of a unique thing in that way.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So once we did it, because we were the first
ones that kind of did it outside of your friend
group for my birthday, wasn't it? And so from there,
how did you guys get with the city and be
able to turn it into an actual company? I mean
you've had how many people have jumped now since you
guys open your company years ago?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh like ten thousand?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, quite a few.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Amazing because I think what Lee job, I think you
told me. I think the number was below two hundred
people I had ever done it with you guys, it.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Was yeah, quite a few, Yeah, quite very very few
at that point.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So how did you guys get it from Okay, we've
done this, because I remember that you were always working
with the city and with the people out there and
the BLM and everybody to try to get it. Figure out,
how did you guys get it to the point where
you can run it as the business?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, so we had to cut through a lot of
tape with the with the government because all the land
down there is owned by the government, so to run
a business, they have to give you a permit, right,
And we were the first ones to ever do what
we were doing as a business. So it essentially we
had to create we had to create the permit process,
what the permit looks like, what the permit I will
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allow and won't allow, And yeah, it just it just
took a lot of years of like going and just
going and pushing and pushing and not stopping, and being
told no and then asking again, and then being told now,
and then asking again, and finally I honestly think that
they just got sick and be harassing them.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There's something to be said for that was like, oh
my gosh, just go for it. I needed something. The
other day, there's a there's this really powerful politician. He's
helping us out with something for a friend of mine.
And and I mean I've flown to his state multiple
times in the last four or five months to work
with him, to try to get him to work with
us and do this, and it got to the point
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where it just still wasn't quite happening, and I finally
just went for broke. I started calling him every single day,
messaging him every single day. I just said, I'm burning
this down, like I'm gonna I know, I played the
politically correct way to get this done, and it wasn't happening.
So I just was like, I'm gonna be the squeaky
wheel dude. And it got He got it done.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Like to hail Mary.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You just know there's something to be said about that. Well.
When I was in real estate, it was funny. I
I would call people, starting usually about seven thirty eight
in the morning, I'd call for sell by owners. And
if I had a good lead, if somebody told me,
you know whatever, they told me to call him back.
If I knew I couldn't get appointment that day, I
would cut it in half and that's when i'd start
calling him again. So if I call me in two weeks,
then in a week, I'd start calling him. And once
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they went into my lead follow up folder. I mean
I had an hour every day from eleven to twelve
where I'd call my leads and I was prospecting every morning,
so I had a lot of leads to go through,
but I would call them relentlessly. I would call them
four or five different times every day, and you know,
every now and then somebody'd get bugged, but it was
like once every six months. And somebody asked me once
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they were like, well, dude, don't you feel like you're
bothering people? And I said, well, two things. Number one
is subconsciously they're like this rilter's on it. This dude's
going to be on it if somebody's interested in my house,
and so subconsciously they appreciate it and they're actually he's
winning them over. Yeah, this dude's a worker. This dude's
you know, working his ass off. And then the second
thing is is, you know, my coach would always be like,
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you're never going to lose a lead for following up
too much, Like you'll lose leads all the time for
not following up enough though, and so I just decided
to be relentless. And it was funny and I so
many people same thing. It's like, God, this guy's going
to go. I don't Finally, I'll just give my call back.
But it's funny. There's a there's a guy, h Kelly Taylor.
I don't know if you know Kelly. He was in
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Group one for a weird to day and he tells
the story he just told this is his ted talk.
But I'm sorry, Kelly. Kelly was Me and Kelly were
part of the group. His name is mel Anyway, long
story short Mele Singleton. He's a Group two. But he
only wanted to He was just basically trying to get
to know us, like me and Kelly and a few
other people. And uh and he said so he pretended
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like he needed to buy a house. And when he
was telling the story, he was laughing his ass off.
He's like, bro, you called me like every day for
like three weeks in a row. I had no interest
in buying a house. I just wanted to get to
know you guys.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's like, never mind, abot.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
He's like, I was not prepared for what it looked
like when you have like some a fish on the
line to yeah, that's great. So you just was relentless
with it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, I mean they it's like they just kept kind
of kicking the ball down the down the road, down
the road, and eventually, yeah, we made it happen. And
that's when, Yeah, they finally gave me the permit to
start the company and then open it out, to open
it up to the public. You know, when like when
you guys started bringing we are they don't.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, well, I've seen so many guys jump off the
cliff now and they have that's really special. Every single
person there's this moment of truth where the cliff doesn't lie.
You find out who you are up there, because it
is the scariest thing imaginable. I've done it seven times now,
and I didn't do it the last two times we
went because I'm like, I'm good, Like I don't need
to keep doing it to you. I've jumped off that
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every way.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I know how, I know what that feeling feels like.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, but it's it's incredible at the same time. But
it's like I've seen women that had the breakthrough of
their life when we brought our women's group out there.
I've seen guys that literally, I don't know if you
really understand how many guys' lives a transformed from that cliff.
Dude like Brian Wrigley who was in the group with you,
Group four, he there was a you see it on
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the documentary we made, but when he jumped off that cliff,
you could feel there was a release of energy. Gee
that that man came back up a different human. And
I've shared his before and afters because it's like the aura,
and it was when he literally was falling on that cliff.
When he came back up, it was a new man.
And you know, we've seen it with I've seen it
literally like dozens of guys that have just completely shifted.
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We had a guy, Robert Mack and Group one that
he yelled, you know, f nicotine as he jumped off,
and dude has not smoked sense twenty one years and
he gave it up right there on the cliff. And
so it really is magical the transformation. Would people do
it with an intention when they jump off the cliff?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It was a that was a very surprising byproduct of
starting a business doing something that I just enjoyed to
do for fun, right. I thought it was just something
fun to do.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
We were out jumping off cliffs with our buddies and
we're like, hey, maybe other.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
People will want to do this too. But people started.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Showing up with intentions, and they started showing up with stories,
and man, it's like one of the most touching things
to to stand out there and listen to people's stories.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And a lot of people show up with a y.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We had we had a girl.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Just this last fall that her her brother passed away
falling off a cliff. And yeah, she came out and
we were given the safety briefing and we were talking
about edge safety and she said, yeah, edge safety is real,
and she shared her story and the story of her
brother falling off the cliff and and she was coming
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out there to jump with us that day to.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Kind of conquer her her fear of that and.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Kind of get over get over that, bury it a
way to bury bury that pain. Yeah, we had another
lady come out that she was on like a year
and a half long road trip. She was completing her
husband's bucket list. Yeah, her her husband had passed away early.
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He was a young dude like forty and they had
this bucket list and she had when he passed away,
she quit her job and she traveled the world completing
their bucket list, and we were the last stop.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Kind of kind of wild stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, No, it makes me emotional because I'm thinking of
different stories of different guys and what they left behind
on that cliff, you know, and it's magical. I remember
when you joined the group because you watched a few
of my guys come through a couple of groups and
you told me it was like, hey, man, I want
to join your group. I want to do this too.
And I remember you stood up there because you jump
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off the thing a hundred times. I think even you
had a pretty profound moment when you did it with
you know, a big why.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, it was different, and that's kind of when it
all like clicked, like what this is right?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like what it is that you do with the weird
the day.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Because yeah, I've jumped off that thing hundreds of times
and like every time it's fun, right, every time, it's scary.
Still to this day, I just jumped off the other day.
A couple buddies came down and I finally I jumped off.
I hadn't jumped for like six months. I'm out there
every single day working, you know, and I jumped off
and everyone's like, oh, it's probably not even scary, Like, no,
it's scary, dude, every single it's try to tell people.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I'm like, I've done it seven times, and I'm like,
I have not feeling it today.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
But yeah, it was different when when you attach an
intention to it, you know, and you really feel what
it feels like to leave something behind and kind of
like start over, you know, start something a new goal
or a new a new process that you want to
leave behind in and and start over. And yeah, it was, Uh,
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it was the first time that it actually meant something
to me jumping off that cliff. It was the first
time it meant something, wow, other than just like me
backflips I can do right?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, so it was. It was pretty special for me.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's awesome, man, And you just finished the program two years.
We just finished like a week ago, dude, wild right,
it really is? It goes so fast?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, really wild. Yeah, it was interesting for me.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I probably have a different perspective than most of the
guys that are in your group because I get to
meet everybody the first day they the first day they're
in your group, basically the first weekend. And as you
bring them down to the rope swing, I get to
meet him and chat with them, and then we all
end up friends on Instagram whatever, and we see each
other around town over the course of the years while
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they're going through And and yeah, for me, the reason
why I hit you up that I was just like, dude,
I want to do that, right. I just I saw
the guys and their transformations over the years as they
were going through We Are the they and all of
their testimonials. And it wasn't testimonials, right, it was like,
(22:50):
this is why this is a good thing, right. It
was just like it was just sharing their experience, you know.
It was seeing seeing the brotherhood and seeing the trust
and the bond and and all the magic.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That happens, you know. And I'm like, I'm just watching
that as as like life goes on.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And and I was at a point where I kind
of felt like I was falling behind with like my
personal development stuff, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
So and so, yeah, I hit you up. I was like, dude,
I want to do this thing.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And and yeah, two years later, it just we just
finished up.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
What was the was the most impactful part of it
for you?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It was for me it was the connections.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
It was the It was the people that I was
sitting in the room with every day that were that
you knew that you could call them at two o'clock
in the morning with a flat tire or with a
just needing somebody, somebody to talk to. And looking around
that room, you knew every single one of those dudes
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would pick up the phone and be there for you.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Why do you think we're able to do that? And
weird that they were so many groups they stay on
the surface. What do you think it was that allowed
for those friendships to be so real?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I think the first thing is you cut straight through
the bullshit. There's no bullshit. You trim the fat right
from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Isn't that fun? Because nobody's trying to flex, nobody's like
trying to impress everybody. It's just people are just being real.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know, eagles are out the window.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You know there's no egos in those rooms, and if
there is, they get squashed pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yep, in the nicest way possible.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Sometimes I can be a little bit inappropriate, But but no,
I think it's I think it's the it's setting the
container and setting the expectation that, like everyone, everyone's.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Expected to show up, you know, and not to show
up physically. Everyone's expected to show up and go all out.
And part that means like being there for the guy
sitting next to you, but also allowing the guy sitting
next to you to be there for you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's a hard part for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That was the hard part for me.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, maybe you said that, ye hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm like, I'm like, I can take care of myself,
you know, I don't need to bug you with my problems.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right Well, we feel like we're a burden, But it's
such a gift you give to people when you do
allow them to be there for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, And I think that just that just creates an
environment where people feel comfortable depending on somebody else and
trusting somebody else to to maybe walk them through a
hard part in their life that the guy sitting next
to you has been through before. You know, there are
so many people in that room that I never would
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have rubbed shoulders.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
With, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Oh yeah, there's so many people sitting there that are
like my best friends now that I never would have
in a million years been sitting in the same room
as those guys you know.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well. It reminds me of the Brene Brown has a
really cool quote where she's like, anybody that you get
to know them well enough, you're going to love, like
if you truly get to know somebody at their core,
because we all kind of you walk into every room
and we don't mean to do it, but we're sizing
everyone up or deciding who we want to be friends with.
We're seeing who the fun guys are, you know. Yeah,
And like a lot of times, we're taught to attach
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the value of the person to what they can provide
or what they do or whatever how much money they
have or you know, their status or whatever that might be.
And when you can get past that's what I love
about in Mohamma, I think you talked about this a
little bit. Is like getting rid of egos? Is we
do that badass list where I have everybody say what
makes them cool? Because when you hear people say it,
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and it's really hard for a lot of people to
come up with that list when they first start thinking
about it. But then all of a sudden, you just go, oh,
every single person is worthy of getting to know, Like
they're all cool.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Everyone's got their own story.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, everyone's got their own their own story and their
own experience, and some of them are light years different
than my story totally, and there's always things that like,
even though you can't relate, there's always things that you
can learn, you know, And that was that was one
of the one of the things that I cherished the most,
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is like being able to learn and grow from people
who are so much further along than I am, you know,
and have gone through so much more life experience.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Dude, I feel that way. And I'm the creator of
the group, you know. I'm like sitting there and I'm like,
I've learned stuff from you, I learned stuff from every
guy in the room. I'm just like, oh. And It's
what I love about it too, is that it creates
a container where you do get triggered, where you do
get like, you get to see your blind spots, you
get to see where you still have some problems or
some pain. And for me, as the leader of the group,
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it's like, oh, I don't like that. I need to
start I need to look at that. I need to
see why I reacted that way. And I have this
immediate feedback of these guys that love me enough to
be like, hey man, here's something that yeah, we noticed too,
definitely not above it.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
When we were we were at one of the lootises
in Rush Valley. I had a conversation with one of
the guys in the group and he was asking about
my you know, my plan. We were talking about my
daughter and kind of how they grow up, and and.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Like, I've never been a guy with much of a plan,
you know.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He kind of just wing it. Yeah, And I told
that too. I'm like, oh, you know, I never had
much of a plan.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I kind of just wing it.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And and he he didn't buy it, right. He didn't
let that slide. He stared to be straight in my
eyes and he put his finger up even and he said,
you better get a plan.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I was like, I was like, and then he kept going,
you know, he said your daughter, because we were talking
about real estate stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Ka, I'm thirty five. I didn't have a house.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I've lived up you know, we re lived in rentals,
kind of in and out rentals, and.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So he goes, you better get a plan.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
And your daughter, she's nine years old, she's grown up,
getting shuffled around from rental house to rental house.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He's like, do you do you want that to be
her childhood?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, But two weeks later, I bought a house. I
didn't even see it. I bought it without even looking at.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It, when you probably probably hadn't even like, what a
beautiful thing. It was a total blind spot, right, total
blind spot. Yeah, I just hadn't thought about it. Yeah,
that's I love that too, dude. It's I think that
we we so undervalue people that love us enough to
say difficult things and have tough conversations with us. Like,
I value that so much. And if you are surrounded
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with people that are always just agreeing with you or
you don't tell you anything, you're probably not very approachable
aa and you probably need to find some people that
don't agree with you on a couple of things. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I love being told what I'm doing wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Same. You know, so I paid for it wrong because
I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, like that's an easy thing. I'm a fixer. I'm
doing wrong, let's fix it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, it's like, show me a blueprint of what works,
and I can usually follow it really good. Sometimes though
it's hard if you don't know what you're doing wrong,
Like I had, I had a thing in It was
the beginning of April and I just this person offended
me and I absolutely like kind of like wanted him
to fill my wrath a little bit, I guess you
could say. And it honestly was wrong time, wrong response,
(30:11):
wrong way of handling it. And I felt justified in
the time. It felt good to do it in the moment.
And one of my buddies was one of my best friends.
He called me and he goes, I need to come
over to your house. It's chap and he came. He
sat down and he said, did you're better than this?
What are you doing? He's like, is this who you
want to be? And he really gave it to me,
and I was like, he was so accurate, though, And
I've since then, I've had the same thing trigger me twice,
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and both times I was able to catch myself and go,
hold on, who do you want to be? Who do
you want to show up as? Who do you want
to be known as? And I was able to stop
from making the same mistake because I had a friend
love me enough to go, dude, what are you doing?
Stop it? You know? And so again it's just I
just value that so much and it's hard to find
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it because in the you know, you have like your
romantic relationship, and that has its own ways. It's going
to trigger you and help you see things like nothing's
gonna help you more than your romantic partner, probably, but
there's also things that like I always say that we
all have three families. You got like the one you're
born into, the one you're creating, and then you have
the like your brotherhood, your buddies, because you have to
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have a place where you can go and get on
his feedback. These dudes are in the fight with you.
They can put their arm around you and be like,
let's go, we're going together, Like your parents aren't gonna
do that. They're just loving you. No matter what your spouse.
You're gonna freak them out if you drop all your
trauma on them and all your insecurities and bullshit and
worries and everything else. Like there's things you want to
open up to, but once you already have a planet,
(31:36):
how you're gonna fix it? Right? I see that sometimes
where guys go trauma dump on their partner, and their
partners terrified and all of a sudden loses attraction. You're like, well, yeah,
that was You need some boys, dude. Like, if you've
never had a group, you've had boys, I've had boys
like dudes where you can just like, Yo, we're gonna
go punch each other a little bit, We're gonna rough
each other up a little bit, we're gonna tease each other,
we're gonna make fun of each other, and then we're
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gonna love the shit out of each other. And if
you've never had that kind of a brotherhood, And that's
what I love about Weird today is even if people
that have had those friends, they get it at a
level because these guys want nothing from you. They there's
no like they didn't even know you before a program.
And so you really are able to build like a
tribe of men that can help you with those things.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that's the
value in it for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, it's those those friendships and everything like that. So
with the rope swing, you probably have a lot of
temptations to grow it, to make it bigger you currently have.
It's kind of a dream job for you, I'm guessing.
I mean, you've you just a desert right, You're just
going to go out and do your thing. But now
you're I mean, you've turned this into a very successful business.
(32:40):
What's what's kind of in your mind as far as
where you want to go with it?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is a dream job. I
have to catch myself sometimes, you know, because because every
job sucks sometimes.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Sure, every job has shitty parts.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Every job's got bad parts to it. And you know,
sometimes we're out there in one hundred and five degree
weather and then we're sweating and the ropes are you know, gritty,
and your fingers are blistered, and like.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Oh I can't wait to get home.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And then you have to catch yourself and you're like
you look around, You're like, oh my gosh, Like this
is my job, you know. Yeah, it's awesome. I get
to I get to work with all my best buds,
you know. I get to have all my friends out
there working with us. And every time, every day that
we go out to work, our clients are having the
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best day of their lives.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You know. So I've had to like remind myself of
that because I've watched close to four hundred people jump
off the cliff now between all my groups and then
my buddies on my birthday, So I'm like, I mean,
there's no I was joking around with one of the guys.
I was like, there is literally nothing you can do
jumping off this cliff that would impress me, and there's
nothing you can do that would like entertain me more
(33:49):
than I am. However, I also want to honor that
this is one of the coolest moments of your life.
So it's like, you can't forget that, like for that person,
even though I've seen the damn thing. Four hundred, you've
seen a ten thousand, You're like, Okay, there's like it's
just another person jumping off a cliff in some ways,
but then it's like, no, this is such a pivotal
moment of this person's life, in such a huge one.
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I always say, make as many memories as you can
that you're going to remember on your deathbed, and that's
a day for you doing that. That's one of those moments,
and so I try to never minimize it, right, I
really want to like honor each person's jump.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, showing up to work every
day is like it's like a drink because everybody's having
the best day of their lives. Everybody's stoked, everybody's excited,
everybody's you know, everybody's just really happy to be there,
which makes a really fun environment to just exist in
every day, you know. But yeah, as far as as
far as expanding, like so, we just moved to this
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new area this last year, from one canyon in Moab
to a different canyon in Moab, and the jump is
quite a bit bigger.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now, Yeah, I mean is deeper and longer.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You feel it, Yeah, you feel that extra that extra
couple hundred feet a rope. Yeah, we've still got We've
still got quite a bit more that we can't expand
in mob You know, we're not tapped out yet. Most
people that come to mo Ab don't even know that
we exist.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You know, they're just googling things to do in mo Avenue.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Know, most people come and they go rent jeeps and
rent razors and then leave.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
They don't even they don't even they don't even know
fair enough yet. So yeah, we still got we still
got quite a bit that we can we can do.
But yeah, for right now, for right now, we're we're
focused on Moab. There's a couple of little little ideas
and tangents here and there that might pan out, but.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
We'll talk about this because the temptation is always to
do the next thing, er, to go bigger. We talked
about this a little bit on the cliff last week,
and it's for me, one of my biggest mistakes I made.
I think within Weird that they was trying to build
it too quick, too big, too fast. I just I
wanted it to go to everybody, and it just it
(35:54):
caused me a lot of financial and otherwise stresses, right yeah,
And then you know, I remember with realists, I did
the opposite. I never I don't like managing people, and
so I never wanted to have to like manage a
bunch of people, and so I kept it pretty small
on purpose. I never built my team more than three
other agents because I just didn't want to deal with
the stress of people, honestly. But I you know, one
(36:15):
of my sayings is be careful trying to be happier
than happy, Like when you have a great thing going,
it can just be enough. Like I pulled back Weird
the day to the exact size I wanted to be.
And now I've never been happier doing it the way
we're doing it. Like the big mistake I made is
so many women kept saying we want something, we want something,
(36:36):
and I thought I could provide it. I just everything
was working, everything was going great, and we did and
it was We did it for about a year, year
and a half and it was fine, like a lot
of women got a lot out of it. But it
stressed me so much more and it caused me. I mean,
financially it was a terrible idea, but otherwise just to
stress that it caused me. And I realized, I'm like, dude,
(36:58):
just because you can do anything, it does, I mean
you can do everything, you really do. Got to focus
in and so I think you're smart, dude, Like be
careful being trying to be happier than happy.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, you know, it's it's been a grind, you know,
as fun as it is and as awesome as it is.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Like I've been I've.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Been head down, nose to the grind wheel for five
years getting this thing to where it's at. And you know,
had to say no to a lot of things along
the way, a lot of things that I wanted to
do that.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I just couldn't. I just had to be there, you know,
to run it and grow it.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And and yeah, it's it's finally to a point now
where like we we have our good people in place,
Like my team is awesome, my crew is awesome, and
I'm starting to have like some free time, you know.
And this is what we talked about the other day,
is like, man, like I can double down now, you know.
And and it's a little bit of an internal battle
(37:45):
because I'm always I'm always pushing and I'm always pushing.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I think that's inherent in humans. As we want to progress,
we would do more, right.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, And at the same time, like I'm like, man,
I would I would love to just like kick back
and like hang with my buds, you know, like do
a fun trip with my buds and not have to
be stressed about, you know, being back by Monday, you know,
six a m type of thing. S. Yeah, I think
I think right now we're pretty content. You know, I'm
pretty content with with what it is.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
When you spend I mean you you just spend a
week with your daughter just doing whatever you go, you
get to you know, you have some of that freedom
now and that time freedom to do someone listening.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah yeah, And it's like it's like that's the time
that I cherish the most, you know, like we I
get to take her out and you know, show her
how to rock climb, and like.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
She she called me the other day out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Man, she called me and says, Dad, I want to
go learn how to surf in the ocean. Like like
I'm like thinking of the back of my head, I'm like, dude,
I don't know how to surf.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Like I don't. I've tried to serve with my buddies
and I suck.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, Like we'll go paddle out and like my buddies
are surfing and I'm just getting pummeled by the way,
is right.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
And and so I'm on the phone with her and I.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Said, yeah, yeah, let's go surf. I'm down, let's do it.
And I called my bud immediately. He's a surfer. He's like,
he's the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Like if anybody has surfer buddies, it's gonna be you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I'm like, hey, man, you gotta you gotta help me
out here.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Like I'm starting from zero, you know, he says Okay,
flight at this place, rep boards from this place, go
to this wave, go there on this day, She'll have
the time of her life.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And so we did it, like we did.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We hopped off flight, we flew out to Hawaii for
a couple of days, exactly what he told me to
And sure enough, dude, she freaking had the time of
her life.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And yeah, it's cool to be able to have the
time to do that now, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And I look at those and I'm like, man, I
I didn't have the time to do that last year.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah. You know, before you got into this, you were welding.
Like we're working sixty seventy hours a week, right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The welding company was a grind. Yeah, literally like that.
It was. It's hard physical labor.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
There's I hope if people listening to this podcast you
can take out of this like you didn't just stumble
upon this thing. That's not because I think you and I,
as much as anyone I know, have jobs that like
fit them perfectly. It doesn't mean they're not tough sometimes
to I mean, they don't have difficult events. But I
would say this is my dream job, and I think
for you it is too, absolutely, and there's a we
(40:07):
were doing stuff. We were doing stuff on the side,
we were putting things together, you were trying stuff out,
you were taking action. There's a lot of lessons like
to be seen of how you built this thing. It
wasn't well, didn't fall in your lap metaphorically speaking.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's one of those things where you know, people always say, like, oh,
do your job. That doesn't make you feel like you're working, right.
I always thought I was bullshit. I was like, no, no, no,
you do the job, and you suffer through the job
so that you can pay for the trips you want
to go on. And the thing that you and I
both did is like you were doing we are the.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Day before you started. We are that they right, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Like you were doing it all the things that were
impactful in my life, and it was all the trips
I was already doing with.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
My buddies exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
And the same thing with what I was doing, I was,
you know, I was down in the desert doing it,
just constantly doing it and learning and growing and making
it one percent better and one percent better every time,
until you know, it did become the job that we
both dreamed.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Of you know, yeah, yeah, that's the lesson. I think
it's because people always say, like, well, I don't have
time to like do anything different because people they want
to start a podcast, they want to get into real
estate on the side, whatever it might be. And it's like, dude,
if you're working forty five hours a week, that's a
pretty full job. You have one hundred and sixty eight
hours in a week. You have about call it one
hundred and ten awake hours, right, that's getting good sleep
(41:20):
every night. That's eight hours of sleep, So one and
ten hundred and fifteen. I mean, how many of those
do you need to spend watching sports? How many do
you need to spend with I mean, be honest, like
your family should get a lot of those, but not
all of them. A couple, you know, ten to go
to the gym or working out, and you still got
I mean, take the busiest person I know, there's thirty
to fifty hours in there. If you really want to
(41:40):
make it work, spend half of them starting to learn
of some of these things that you really enjoy. And
then you know the thing about weird that they you said,
you know, I wasn't lost me. You said, I've spent
the last five years grinding this. My birthday party basically
was four years ago, pretty much to the day, and
so like you start thinking about that, you know, you
built this, but still but it took me a year
(42:02):
to get you so five.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Years, five years before that.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
But my point is, though, is like you were working
on it, and you were doing these things on the
side of your willingness. The same thing with me, Like
it took me two years from conception of like, hey,
I need to do something to figure out what it was,
and it changed ten different ways.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, yeah, And I think people are scared scared to
do that, right, People are scared to commit. People think
that if I want to start something, I have to
stop this and start that, and it's not you. You
have to find out what you're good at. Yeah, you
have to find out what you're good at and what
you enjoy. And then while you're finding that out, like
maybe it goes a little bit of a different direction,
but then at least you know, and then you've been
doing it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Now you have the skill sets and now you can
monetize it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah. When I went five months full time doing two
jobs full time because I was still doing real estate
I need to make sure that like this was going
to work. And then when I launched a group two,
I knew it was going to work because it sold out,
you know again, in like a couple of days, and
I was like, Okay, this is this is my new thing.
And then I was able to turn over my real
estate team. But I was working two full time jobs
for about out five months before I kind of made
(43:02):
that shift. Dude, I want to hear I'll tell you
my favorite rope swing story, and then I want to
hear your all time favorite rope swing story. Mine is
it was a guy in group too. I won't say
his name. But so we go through this whole thing
with the guys when they are going to jump, and
it starts the day before and we really go through
what are you trying to leave behind? What bad relate,
negative relationship, bad habit or limiting belief do you want
(43:24):
to leave on the cliff you come back up with
a new one, right. It's kind of like a baptism
in a way. And so the guys go through this
whole thing. I make him meditate forty five minutes. We're
really thinking about what they want to leave at the
bottom of the cliff and there's this guy your group too, dude.
He comes up off the cliff and he's so excited
and he's I love him. He's just he's just this guy.
But he he gets up and I give him a
(43:46):
big hug and he goes, Dude, he goes, I threw
my wedding ring off down there. I'm done. And I
was like, no, dude, please tell me you didn't throw
your wedding ring down there. He's like, yeah, I'm done
with that relationship. I'm like no, I'm like, your poor wife.
She's like goes, goes to the street tree and next
(44:06):
she knows that guy's like done with your marriage. I'm
gonna get some hate mail. And he comes up to
me later in the day he goes, I got a
better idea. I'm done with that relationship, the one that
wasn't working. I'm gonna stay with my wife, but we're
going to build a new one. And I'm like, okay,
like that. But I'm just like, oh, I have totally
this is this totally was not what I wanted to
disaster avoid anyway. He was so excited to tell me,
(44:30):
and I'm just like, my job is hit the ground.
I'm like, it's like when you do Ayahuascar, they say,
don't make any important life decisions for a week. Yeah,
it's a little bit. I should have just made that more.
I tell that story now as a joke so people
know not to do. Yeah, I don't do that anyway.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Favorite rope swing story, man, Uh, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Uh. I think.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'll tell you the fair one that that is with
somebody you know. Okay, it was actually just last time
you guys came out. My favorites are always just watching
people freak out.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
On just watching people just get stuck.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
And just get absolutely scared.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yes, but then like stay there for ten minutes and
then I have to unclip right, I'm not gonna do it.
Then go back and clip in and get absolutely scared again,
and then by the end of the day eventually they jump.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah right. Those are the best ones.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Those are those are the absolute best. Like it just
warms your heart, you know, like you know that like
they just overcame something inside them and like they're gonna
leave that day feeling.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
So empowered and the opposite if they didn't do it,
they would have gone back feeling so defeated. Yeah right,
and so it's like such a big moment, so much
bigger than just jumping off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
But I'd say one of the most one of the
most recent favorites. Uh, it was actually Mo the last
time you came out.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
So Mo.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
He's a dude that.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I've always looked up to, right, He's like just he's
just like the ultimate man.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well, that's why I most going to be basically taking
over the next group of weird that they because he
really embodies everything that is just a healthy, masculine manead
like he really does.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Dude, you better be careful. He might do better than you.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh he probably, Well I hope he does it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
But you might put you out of business.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
No, he's going to become the business bro. Like I'm
not joking when I say this. Like when I first
met him, and I was just every part of him.
He's so grounded, he's so base, he's just like he
really is such a great man. He cares more about
other humans thannyone I've ever met. He volunteered to come.
He just said, can I just volunteer to come to
all your events? And I'm like, yeah, sure, And he
just would keep coming. And he's been to probably twenty
(46:38):
of my events and he helps me on everything and
he never, not one time is the guy ever a problem.
He's just a great addition. And so, oh, trust me,
I have no doubt the program is going to be
better off with. Like, here's the thing, dude, I'm very
self aware, Like I know why people don't like me.
I know the problems I have. Okay, Like I know
I am the problem of this company getting bigger than
(47:00):
it already is. Okay, I am the bottleneck. But by
removing myself and honest to God, like having somebody like
Mo that just embodies everything i'd want to weird that
the remember to be it. Really trust me, this is
not lost on me. I know that he's going to
take us to another level.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah yeah, so this is this is this is par
for the course with Mo. So he's he's jumped off
before and he didn't want to jump because it's scary, right,
just like it's like once you know what that's going
to feel like, it's like when you.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Have to do it again, you're like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
No, it's not easier.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
But before he jumped, he told me he's like he's like,
I'm gonna jump backwards.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Like, oh, okay, cool, He's like I'm scared shitless.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Like yeah, he's like I don't want to. Like I'm like, okay,
nobody's making you. Right, I'm not going to make you
jump backwards. You just said it. I was you know,
I'm not going to make you do it. You tell
me you don't want to. Now he's like, no, no, no,
I don't want to do it, So I'm going to
do it. And that's just who he is as a person,
totally like charged towards the thing that you don't want
to do.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, when Charlie Kirk died, he went rand thirty one
miles that day in his honor.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, but just just a small little thing for me.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
The favorite, my favorite part of that whole jump was
I he said he was jumping backwards.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
You can see his eyes.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
And and I watched his eyes as he was jumping.
And if you guys you know listening, no, mo, he's
he's just he's ripped, right. He's like the most athletically
body fast, Like yeah, he's like the most like in
shape fit human that I've ever met, which usually comes
(48:39):
along with like ego and like tough man mentality. Right,
but he doesn't have any Yeah, but his eyes as
he was exiting backwards just told the whole story about
what was about.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
What was happening inside his soul.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
And so that was the fun thing to watch of
just like, yeah, even even like my heroes get scared sometimes.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Beauty man. One of my favorites was watching you when
you did it with Weird the Day, because you know, again,
I knew you jumped a hundred times and you just
stood there on the edge of the cliff and I
could tell you were kind of just going through a
little bit of a death of this person that had
been there before, and you were getting ready to really,
you know, jump and make a difference. And it was
really really fun for me to watch that one too.
(49:21):
This is one of my favorite ones for sure. So well, dude,
such a pleasure, man, it's been fun. Thank you for
letting me be part of your story and you're such
a big part of our story. And man, it's such
a cool thing. I went to all these Tony Robbins
events and all these other ones, and there's something about
so when you want to make a real shift in
your life, you want to get it in your body,
you need to feel it there needs to be a
(49:41):
movement to it, and Tony Robins talks about it. That's
why he'll do like they do this thing where they
jump on like a rope and it's it's kind of
lame though. I did it at Life Mastery in Fiji
and they do the firewalk, which is fine, but you've
done it. It's whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, I've got some scars on my toes from him.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah. Yeah. So I was literally thinking, like, what is
the most scary thing that you can get it in
your body? And I think that's why it's so effective
because you feel that and you've never had a feeling
like that, and so it literally sticks with you. That
commitment stays in your body. And it's been literally dude,
I think it's the reason why we're that they like
was so effective in helping people change. They don't come
(50:21):
back the same person when they jump off that cliff.
So just thanks again, man.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, of course, man.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I love you, brother. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I love to hear you guys all down there.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
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