Season 3 Episode 15: Matt Eberflus or Caleb Williams to Blame?, Is the 49ers Window Closed, Week 14 Locks!

On this episode, John and Randall discuss whether or not the McCaffrey injury closed the window for thre 49ers to win. They also have a heated discussion about the Bears clock management from Thanksgiving and who was more to blame. The Rams won, and the Patriots lost, but seem to have their QB of the future. Plus, Guess that Spread, Hard Locks, and a new strategy from Randall during Word of the Day!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What is going on? Everybody? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to
another edition of the John and Randall Football Experience. My
name is John Avino, and with me, as always is
my guy Randall Nogue Randall. I'm happy to report, for
the first time in three weeks, I am back in
the home studio here. I got my mic plugged in,
hopefully the audio issues are gone, and I sound crystal clear.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
John, you sound beautiful, man, absolutely beautiful. Only one of
us should really be on the road or in the
car at a time, and I call dips on it.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, Yeah, you've been holding on that mantle for five
years now, so I shouldn't try it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, that's that's fine, John, But because that's my thing,
that's my go to It's.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Hey, we're live with Randal in the car. Randal, how's
it going today?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know that's my that's my go to thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
But no one else is my go to thing? John?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
What winning bets winning at the NFL and beating you
per se.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, I mean you've beat me all year long on
hard locks, but didn't stop me from winning a couple
of big parlays on Sunday, or actually rather Monday, during
that Broncos Browns game. But we'll get there eventually. We'll
talk about all these things, but let's start with quick kits.
Quick kits, all right, Well, I think actually before I

(01:45):
jump into quickkets, I just want to say I hope
you had a great Thanksgiving Radle. But that being said,
we'll talk about the Thanksgiving Day games in a minute,
because we're gonna start quick kits. Wise, with Christian McCaffrey
getting hurt once again for the forty nine ers, you know,
you actually were the one who came up with our
quick hit this week, which I think is symbolic because
you did a good job. I was proud of you

(02:06):
when he came to the table with this one. But
you're asking you basically asked me, so I'll ask you.
Does this Christian McCaffrey injury kind of, you know, symbolize
the end of the window for the forty nine ers
to win because they made the Super Bowl last year
when he had an unbelievable year. This year he's been
all sorts of hurt and they have not had the

(02:27):
same success.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, John, they were able to make it in the
past without him as well. Right, However, in terms of
this season, they're done. Their whole team is just depleted.
They're gone now.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
In terms of.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
What's about to happen for the future, that's a different story.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
But for the most part, what have we seen, John.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
What is the storyline in the NFL for quarterbacks that
make it to the Super Bowl and they're their first
time there and they don't win, Chances are they never
get back.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Seeing it?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right now, with Joe Burrow, even though he's playing fantastic,
the team is playing like hit the button.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Booty Cheeks san fran right now.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Brock Perdy isn't playing terrible, but the team altogether is
Booty Cheeks. Right He went last year to his Super Bowl,
didn't win.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
He's not going back anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's basically the message is they're not going back this
year or in the next couple of years.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
John.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
The NFL, they had their run for five years since
twenty nineteen. It's finally come to an end for the
forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah. Well, unfortunately for them, their run has not included
winning a Super Bowl. Because they have been to the
Super Bowl a couple of times. They've obviously not been
able to get over the Chiefs a couple of times.
The one year that they made it pretty far didn't
get to the Super Bowl. The Rams made it instead,
and that was the one year the Chiefs weren't there
and the Rams found a way to beat the best.
So to your point, it is very hard to get
there multiple times, which they've done. I don't think they've

(04:05):
done it twice with him, But he was supposed to
be the X factor that got them over the hump,
and he had an unbelievable year. Last year they didn't win,
and here they are this year. It's not just him.
Trent Williams has been hurt. Other guys who have been
in and out of line have. Obviously, they've been without
Ayuk for basically the entire season, and even when he
was out there, he wasn't contributing all that well because
he sat out all of camp. But I think we're

(04:26):
at a point for the forty nine ers where they're
not gonna have to do a full rebuild, but they're
gonna have to make some decisions on the future because
eventually Brock Purdy is going to get a contract. He's
still at the point where you're not paying him very
much because he was literally the last pick of the draft,
But you have guys other than the guys who've already
been paid that you're going to have to make decisions on.

(04:47):
And McCaffrey is a guy that they did give a
contract to before last year, during last year, whatever it was,
and now, you know, what does his future look like
with his team because this is another major injury for him.
You know, he missed a lot of time in his
time in Carolina and has been relatively healthy with the
forty nine ers. However, I think it's unfortunately for him.
It's a case of he's always you know, his best

(05:10):
availability is his availability or his best ability is his availability,
and right now he's been unavailable more times than he's
been available. And it does kind of symbolize the fact
that the forty nine ers have not had a great
season because they've almost been playing from you know, proverbally
playing from behind the whole time because they haven't really
had him this year.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and it's sad because they do have a great team,
or had a great team, and I thought, and I'm
sure everybody thought, they're gonna be right back there this
upcoming season, because why not. The wide receiver talent is there,
the running back talent was there. I mean, even the
pack up running back had a fantastic time when Christian

(05:52):
McCaffrey was out.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
He's out now too, Jordan Mason.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah yeah, And so I mean, with that being said,
just this year isn't their year? Can they come back
next year rebuild it a little bit? Like you said,
they do need to add some pieces, but it's it's
not looking pretty for them because most likely they're not.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
They're gonna move off of a rod receiver or two
as well.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting to see kind of what
the next you know, a few months for them looks like.
But also the offseason. They're technically not out of it
yet just because that division has been so close, but
at five and seven, it would be hard for them
to make the playoffs. They'd have to win a lot
of games here with a compromise roster. But yeah, I
mean they in this game, specifically Randall for the forty

(06:36):
nine ers, it was you know, obviously a snow globe. Yeah,
the crazy Josh Allen play where he throws the ball
to Amari Cooper, makes the one handed catch kind of
behind him and then ends up flipping the ball back
to Alan who ends up scoring, which was kind of improvised.
But this game, I mean, it was just right from
the beginning. Once McCaffrey got hurt, it felt like the

(06:58):
forty nineers had no chance, and that's the way it
played out. The Bills just dominated them. And I think
what it ultimately showed is that the Bills, if they
have home field advantage through the you know, AFC Championship game,
they're gonna be a really hard team to contend with
because going up to Buffalo and playing in that environment,
if you get the snow globe effect like that is

(07:20):
I don't think comparable to playing anywhere else quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, John, I think they need to get lucky with that,
because what do they need to have happen to get
the one seed so they can guarantee the host. Is
they need just Kansas City to really lose one more
game they do that, boom they're in the one seed.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah right, nice, they have the head to head them
against them, because like you're I think you were just
starting to say that they you know, they beat them.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
So if Kansas City does lose another game and they
both end up with the same amount of losses, Buffalo
would get the one seed.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
They would and so like. But that's what I'm saying,
you need.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Kansas City got lucky to win to lose one more game,
and Buffalo obviously would.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Need to win out in that situation.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But am I sold Buffalo's the best team right now
in the AFC. It seem it seems like it, right,
I mean, they rise to the occasion against good teams.
The only team that they've played this year where I said, wow.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
They are horrible was the Ravens game.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
When they played the Ravens, they made the Ravens look
freaking amazing. Obviously, the Ravens are on that slump right now,
but Josh Allen is doing it all. They added to
Maari Cooper. He's not really doing anything spectacular right now.
So I mean, i'd assume in a couple more weeks,
once he's still getting into the system, he's fully healthy,
he's gonna he truly is gonna be a great threat

(08:52):
for them. But they're just they are playing great football.
They play well in the cold. They are cold.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. All right, let's go
back to Thanksgiving, because there was three games on Thanksgiving.
Although I guess you could you could argue about the
competitiveness of some of these games, but we have to
talk about I mean, really all of them for different reasons.
But we'll start with the first one, which was the
Bears Lions and the Lions winning by three points. It

(09:21):
seemed like the Lions were gonna walk I mean, they
were off big early. Although I don't know about you.
Watching this game with a couple of my uncles who
I don't normally see for football, my dad are, the
consensus among us was, man, the Lions should be up
by a lot more points than they are right now,
even though they're kind of up by a lot. And
what happened was the Bears ended up making kind of

(09:42):
a de facto comeback and they were in position they were,
as a lot of people now know, Caleb Williams and
the Bears were driving. There was about thirty seconds left
on the clock when he snaps the ball or when
they're lining up, I should say, not when he snapped
the ball, and it how it ended up being that
he didn't snap it until about what ten seconds left,

(10:04):
no less second, seven second whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
It was about six seven seconds.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
You gonna throw the football until the clock was expired.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I'm pretty sure John was like it started with
about forty five fifty seconds on the clock.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, it was. It was forty like if you look
at it, it was thirty three or thirty four right
when they were starting to place the ball down.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, it's I honestly was like thinking to my mind,
I'm like, oh, it'd be funny if this happened. And
next thing you know, I'm like, what's going on? Like
why are they actually taking so long? And there's a
couple things to address here. One Maddie Reflutes allowing this
to happen, Like, yeah, why are you not in the headset?

(10:51):
Why is the OC not in the headset saying gotta
get the ball off? Get the ball off because it's
in there, allowed in the quarterbacks head sat, I think
until about fifteen seconds on the play clock.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, fifteen seconds had long since gone by, is the problem?
So even if he were saying something, he wouldn't have
been able to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well, no, what I'm saying is he's allowed to talk
to the QB until there's.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Two seconds left. Because that's how Yeah, they made it famous.
Sean McVay and Jared Goff made this famous where yeah
McVay was like reading the defenses for golf.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Hey, why not use it? Right?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
But like, yeah, but I know what you're getting at here,
so yeah, just go ahead.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So what I'm getting at is, how are they not
yelling at him snapped the ball?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Snapped the ball?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Because when they were, like you said, there was about
thirty eight seconds at the start.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
So if that's the start.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Of the play clock at least ten seconds going by,
you're at twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Hey, snap the ball. We got to just get the playoff.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
You would have had plenty of time to get a
playoff even if they caught it, called out, get your
field goal team out there. But I don't one, I
don't know why that didn't happen. Number two worst case scenario,
Why are you not calling time out?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
If? If it's that much in sam shambles.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
That's the bigger thing here is that they were I mean,
they might have been a longer It might have been
a longer field goal where they were standing at the
time and think he was around correct, they.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Were like four yards away from like the field goal
target line that they draw.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
But the problem is that you have the time out,
so like there's no excuse to not even to not
at least attempt at long field goal. So I mean,
the fact is they were trying to get a couple
more quick yards, obviously, and then call the time out.
But the way it broke down, it took way too
long to develop, and by develop, I mean them getting

(12:48):
to the line took way too long, and by the
time Cayler Williams snapped the ball under ten seconds, whether
it was six or seven or whatever it was, he
never had a chance unless he quickly threw the ball away.
But he decided to go downfield to Roma Dunza in
double coverage, which was a really bad choice. But ultimately
I still put the blame on his head coach Eberflus

(13:09):
for not calling a time out number one when it
seemed like, okay, they're taking a while here. They probably
should have called time out about fifteen seconds, because that
would have given you an opportunity to still maybe throw
a quick out route or something and then get a
guy out of bounds, and then if you fuck up,
you know what you fucked up. But the fact is
that they decided that we're gonna not call a time

(13:30):
out here, and then even when he gets down to
like three or four seconds, or maybe not that much
because of the bald and snapper, then when it gets
down to like ten or nine seconds, you have to
call a time out and give your team a chance
to kick that lat long field goal. So, I mean,
I just don't know what he was thinking, because there
was multiple points within that clock just ticking down where
I said to myself, he should call time out right now,

(13:53):
and then I said it again, like eight seconds later.
I'm like, well, he now he needs to call time
out because they're not gonna have a chance.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
To do it. I disagree, disagree. I think Williams.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I put it one hundred on Caleb Williams, John rookie.
What is has he not been playing college football for
the past three years? Does he not know how to
read a clock and know the situation? John, there's complete
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yes, Matt Eberflus deserves a little

(14:27):
on his plate for this. Yes, No, the quarterback is
in this situation. How does he know? How does he
not know? There's fifty thirty eight seconds on.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
The game clock.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
We have one time out. I'm gonna take forever, so
we only have one play.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
How does he not think of that?

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I get it, it's the quarterback. I'm not saying he
doesn't deserve any blame, because he definitely deserves some level
of blame. But the head coach's job is literally like
clock management, especially when you have coordinators that a calling
plays for you.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
And I get that, but like again, so he has
a coordinator, right, and the Again, I think it comes
down to the coordinator saying, get the ball off, get
the ball off, get.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
The ball off past that point, and they can't.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
They weren't there because.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Eventually, But my point is eventually they were, because you're saying, oh,
they weren't, but eventually they were because the shot. Eventually
they were.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But then it's like, okay, if you waste that time out, yeah,
if you take it with fifteen you you.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Have to get lucky. Then with the out route, they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Be Does get fired if they call time out with
seven seconds left and they miss a field goal?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean yes, because they're still yes because there's fifty
to fifty, because I still because I believe John, because
I believe they're gonna argue. They'd still say he mismanaged
it because why are you calling a time out with
seven seconds?

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Why do they get the playoff earlier? So that way,
you know.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
The more egregious thing, though, is not calling the time
out at all, because I mean you, he was saving it.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
He was saving it to try to.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
What though, you can't bring it to next week, like
you can't have Thanksgiving time out leftovers. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I get that, John, and I understand that. But he's saying, Okay,
you know what, this is the next situation. Caleb Williams
throws the ball downfield of Roma Dunes in double coverage.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Between the marble choice when that terrible choice.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah right, But so then that goes to show he
didn't even know the situation. One, it wasn't even to
the end zone where the game clock was expired, and
it needed to be the end zone because when he
hiked it, there was like three seconds left and that
was all they have.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, but that the problem is that you're arguing about
a twenty two year old kid number two in the
moment like trying to make a play.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I get that, but number two.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
The other situation is if they were communicating that like
he should have known, Hey, okay, one, I gotta get
the play ball off quick two. I just need to
get five to seven yards so that way we can
kick make a manageable field goal.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And I'm sure both of those things were said to
him at some point, but he either he probably didn't
pick them up. And you're not wrong. I mean, he
deserves blame here because he's the quarterback and ultimately he's
the one who took a while again in the offense
lined up, and he's the one who threw the ball
down the field when they didn't have any time left.
I'm not taking that away from him, because you can't
put Matt Everflus out there to do that. However, what

(17:36):
I am saying is that the guy is playing the
game at the moment. He's literally caught up in trying
to do all these things at once. He's never been
in a moment like this before. The head coach is
sitting on the sideline looking at the clock ticked down
with ultimate power of just putting up his hands in
a T shape at the ref and everything will stop
for a second and they still have a chance. But

(17:57):
instead he just let it kick down to the point
where okay, this is the last play of the game,
no matter what, and that's unacceptable for the head coach.
I mean, you might say it's an accepted for Caleb
Williams two, and that's fine.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
But maybe he thought his quarterback was gonna snap the ball.
Maybe he's like, okay, he's gonna say it.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
But my point is once it gets to ten seconds,
which at that point he still didn't snap it, you
have to just override everything and say, okay, something's going
wrong here. I gotta just stop this clock. We had
to attempt a long field goal because at that point
it's it's too late, like you said, because they needed
to get that ball off with like fifteen or eighteen
seconds on the clock to have any chance of running

(18:33):
a play and then calling a timeout.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
It just didn't know they could have got it off
with ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
All right, seconds, It was less.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I'm looking it up right now. I'm gonna look up
this play. Keep talking.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
So then this is this situation, which I agree depending
on once it gets below it's between eight to ten, Yeah, okay,
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Call time out.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
We're gonna kick the field goal because that's our only
option now, okay, Or try to run an out route
if you can't get it in three seconds.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Thrown out of bounds. We'll get the field goal team
on there. I think the.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Way they fired Matt Eberflus is insane, right, Like what
do you mean they let the man do.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
A press conference?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, Like that's what I'm saying, Like that way that
that's just disrespectful. That dude did a full on press
conference and then two hours later they said no, you're gone.
That's just disrespectful. Now do I think Matt Eberflus is
a good coach? No, because he's botched so many games
for them this year. Yeah, Like, and that's that's evident,

(19:47):
Like just that's coaching and lack of ability and accountability
the commander's game. This game, and there's another game that
they should have won they lost on like a blocked
field goal.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
He snapped the ball with five seconds left.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
By the way, I just watched it five.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Once the clock hit eight, I would have called time out.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's my point, Like, that's all I'm saying is for
the coach's perspective, Like, yeah, the player is the one
who maybe ultimately I get what you're saying. I'm not
trying to take away blame from him, but the coach
is literally there to call time out, like you know
what I mean, I don't know, And once it gets
that far away from you, I think you have to
reevaluate everything. You can't say I'm still trusting this guy

(20:32):
to get the snap off because clearly something was going
on where he wasn't so.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
All right.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
That honestly might have been our most heated debate of
the season, and it was about freaking Matt Eberflus in
the Chicago bum Bears.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Bro, Is that that satisfy your craving for that game?
Can we move on the one?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
That is twenty minutes deep in the episode, and we
talked about one game basically.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, there's a lot of games, Sean that we'd be
able to were able to overlook out here.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
So it's okay, all.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Right, Well, the Cowboys and Giants, I think the Cowboys.
Do you think they kept their playoff hopes? The door alive?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Here?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
The door just cracked open with another win this week
Cooper Rush on Thanksgiving against the Giants.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Cooper rush Man Cooper Rush two and one so far
as the start of this year, right, the Eagles are
kind of like his kryptonite because he took a loss
last year versus the Eagles. But this dude balls man,
and it kind of goes to show, you know what,
maybe we should just have Cooper Rush be the QB
paying them a little bit of money and we reinvest

(21:39):
Dak's money elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
That that really should be the sound advice for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a small world,
the small chance where there's a world where they could
trade Dak Prescott as somebody would trade for him. But
I think as far as this season is concerned the Cowboys,
they're looking up at Washington, They're obviously looking up at
Philly as well. The NFC is good as far as
playoff teams are concerned, So you're gonna have to jump

(22:06):
a lot of teams if you're them, and I don't
think they have a chance. I think ultimately it's gonna
be one of those years where the Cowboys end up
with like six or seven wins and they're gonna be picking,
you know, mid mid first round. It's not gonna be
a great draft picks, so they're probably gonna end up
bringing back mostly the same team next year. Were you
surprised by the Night Game at all? Because I thought

(22:27):
the Dolphins would maybe hang around a little bit better
with the Packers, but it was so cold there. We
know what they say about Tua and the Dolphins, they
don't play well in the cold. At one point they
were down twenty seven to three in this game ultimately
ends up a thirty to seventeen final. But what were
your impressions of this night game on Thanksgiving? Because I
was actually kind of excited for the matchup, and I

(22:47):
didn't really think it delivered.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was definitely didn't deliver. John definitely didn't deliver. I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Every single It's It's honestly funny though, because every favorite
actually won. So I feel like so many parlays were
cash because the favorites one and I get Detroit didn't
cover their spread, but everybody else covered their spread.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
But man, what a letdown.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I honestly thought Miami was gonna have somewhat of a chance,
didn't you.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, I mean that's what I was saying, Like, I
thought they the way they've played lately, they've been trending up,
and I felt like, even if they don't end up
making the playoffs, because it's a long road for them,
that they had put together a lot of solvemental lately,
and the Packers are one of those weird teams that
they're nine and three, but you don't think about them
as that good. And I think part of that's because

(23:44):
the Vikings and the Lions both have great records too.
But I mean, you gotta give the Packers some respect
because they're nine to three, and you know, Jordan Love
has played fairly well this year, although he has had
some games where you look at and say, my goodness,
Tua ends up with a better line than him in
this game, really only because of the end of the
the way the end of it went, where they were

(24:05):
able to get a couple of scores late and they
made it a little bit closer and ultimately was But
I really I did think they would hang around. But
I think something to be said about the Dolphins not
playing well in cold weather, because it seems to be
a theme for two throughout his career that when he
goes places and uh and it's cold, he doesn't win,
and the record supports I think he's one in eight now.
When it's less than thirty degrees out or less than

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forty degrees out.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't think he has a win.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Job I thought he had one. I thought I saw
that he had won when I looked at the record
the other day. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Maybe he does, maybe he didn't, I don't know. But regardless,
one win, no wins. Like the dudes ask John when
it comes to.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Ye, now after the loss, you're right, and eight when
the temperatures forty degrees are lower.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
So aware was.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Making up the win from But that's okay. I know
you were super super pumped to see the Chiefs survive
on Friday and get another win to keep themselves atop
the AFCI eleven and one. Now what can only be
described is yet another game that they escaped with a win. Ramble.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
All they do, John is get lucky, lucky, lucky. And
maybe people would say that about the New England Patriots
too back in the day, right, Like Tom Brady was
on the Herd the other day and he was talking
about it.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
He's like, no, they're not getting lucky. It's good coaching.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
And when you have a player like Patrick Mahomes, you
give him four downs, he's gonna take advantage of it.
And when the goat Tom Brady speaks, I tend to
and it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
It makes sense. I understand it.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
However, just because it makes sense and I understand it
doesn't mean I don't like it or agree to it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, No, I mean it's true, and I think that
that's the point I've been trying to can they or
at least maybe I haven't said it exactly like that,
but my overall premise has been that this is just
a really well coached team and they're gonna find ways
to win even if Mahomes is not playing his best.
And ultimately, when you look at the fourth quarter, the
guy goes out there and he wins the fourth quarter
every single time he's asked to. So I don't really

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know why it is that he he seems to have
the upper hand in a lot of cases when he
plays some of these guys in the fourth quarter and beyond.
Sometimes he maybe looks a little disinterested for the first
few quarters of the game. Maybe it's some of that
is the fact that they've won so much and that
he's he struggles to keep himself fully engaged, which is
not a good thing. But I don't know, I don't

(26:38):
know what it is, but they keep finding ways to win.
This was another situation where they probably should have come
out on the other side of things. Do you have
the updated what their record should be kind of thing,
or they're the one loss thing that you flip around
and like.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Tell me, I do not, John, I do not.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, I'm sure it's like one in twelve or something.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yes, something crazy is.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's never good when you have them involved. All right,
So let's get to Sunday now, because there were some
good football on Sunday as well. We could start in
the one o'clock window with the Colts and the Patriots.
This was a game in which I actually put a
small same game parlay bet out there because I had
a boost for it and I thought it maybe I

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was trading in the right direction, but it didn't end
up hitting. That's neither here nor there. The thing that
is either here nor there is that the Patriots were
up with just I don't know, half a minute to go,
and then the Colts scored a touchdown and went for
two to go up one and not elect to go
to overtime against the Patriots. So they got the win.

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Another game though, on which Drake may played pretty well,
but ultimately the Patriots are on the wrong side of
So what were your thoughts watching this game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Sorry, John, I was just taking a sip of delicious
water because we.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Know we can hear it in the background all the time.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I'm excited to talk about this. I just wanted to
make sure my throat was nice and clear for this.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
God forbid you take that little mute button on your
phone for two seconds.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
You're right, You're right, I need to hit it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
But what I want to share with you, John, is excitement,
many excitement, happiness, joyfulness, you name it on it right now,
because we found our quarterback man.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
We found that I.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Truly believe, and I don't know if you watch the game,
but I truly believe Drake May is our quarterback going forward.
The ball comes out of his hand fast. He has
great velocity on it that we didn't see with mac Jones.
He throws a beautiful deep ball. He you can clearly
see him going through his reads from option one, two, three, four,

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and instant of a second, it's very impressive. They moved
the ball downfield tremendously. He had that one interception that
was dropped. That little landed in the guy's hands in
the end zone. They had a touchdown called back on
them because of multiple holding calls. But this was their

(29:12):
best offensive game. They still lost, which I'm happy about,
and I'll get to that in a second. But I
was ecstatic to see the way they were playing offense
man and that that was something that we needed to see.
His offensive line is trash wide, receivers are booty cheek,
and he was able to move the ball. This guy

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is the real deal. I'm excited to see what the
future holds for him and the Patriots, and I'm glad
they lost, because what does a win do for them?
They weren't making the playoffs. I've talked about this. I'm
fine with them losing. I want them to be in
competitive games. I want them to cover the spread, and
that's it. I want to see Drake Meg grow. But

(29:58):
getting a moving from pick number five to pick number
ten does nobody any good in New England.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Right, Stay in that.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Top five and you have a quarterback already. You could
be looking maybe to Travis Hunter situation. So uh right,
you know, I think that you're right about everything you
just said, based on me as an as a non
Patriots fan watching as a third party observer, I think
the one thing we can agree on here is that
he's much better than Mac Jones. Jones had a decent

(30:26):
rookie year with Josh McDaniels, but I do think that
was a situation with an offensive coordinator who had a
proven track record getting the most out of a guy.
Maybe Mac Jones hitting his ceiling as a rookie because
of what he was given as from a coaching standpoint,
plus there was no film on him yet. But now
you've got a guy who, yeah, he's in his first year,
so we can't get too too far ahead of ourselves.

(30:47):
But I think everything you said about, you know, not
having great play playmakers around him, the play calling has
been whatever. I know people around here in New England
don't necessarily love Van Pelt as the offensive coordinator. So
if they're going to make improvements likely around him, which
will likely happen, then I can only see this trending

(31:08):
one direction for them, and that is up. Because he's
been good and you know, you look at you compare
him to some of these other rookies, and I think
specifically of the other two that have played pretty well,
Jade Daniels, who hasn't played as well lately, although they
did just have a big win and then bow Knicks
and Jade Daniels and bow Nicks. What's the two things
they are. One thing they have in common with each
other is that they both have number one receivers to

(31:30):
have been established in the NFL, in Courtland Sutton and
Terry McLaurin. And the.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Throw Williams in the mix on the great wide receivers too.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, yeah, I'm just saying that the guys who had success.
Williams has been kind of all over the place, but
Caleb has a lot around him too. You're not wrong, obviously.
And then even if you know whoever else you want
to name, it's a rookie uh that hasn't really played yet.
There's Penix. If he ends up playing for the Falcons,
he'll be well set up because they have a lot
of guys around him. But the page is the one
thing they're lacking is true playmakers. So if they're able

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to dip into free agency, which they're gonna have a
ton of money this offseason to spend, I think they
can make a couple of big moves and really just
a couple other tweaks, and suddenly you're looking at a
team that could be competitive again in a division that ultimately,
other than the Bills, you don't really see these other
two teams being a big, big factor. I mean, the

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Dolphins certainly could get back to relevancy, but a lot
of that has to do with the health of Tua,
and I think if the Patriots can compete at their best,
they can compete with the Dolphins when Tua is at
his best. The Bills maybe a different scenario. And we
all know what's happening with the Jets right now. They're
gonna continue to to find ways to lose games. And
I don't think Rogers will be back next year or

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whoever they have playing. It's gonna be interesting. But this
is all to say I think Drake May has been
a great pick for them. I think he's exactly what
they needed after they just failed with mac Jones. Because
a lot of these franchises go through this where they
keep taking guys and they keep not working out, and
you have to keep doing this for years and years
and years. If the Patriots didn't once Mac Jones didn't work,
maybe they'll get lucky and it'll work this time with

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Drake May.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'm hoping it does. John.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I'm hoping they can have an actual good draft for
once and their franchise history because guys that were on
the draft from two years ago. They only have two
players remaining, the left or the other and that's just
two years ago, which is insane to me. But I'm excited.
I wish they would bring back Josh McDaniels. I mean,

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that dude has no home right now. I'm sure he
would love to come back and work in New England.
He would be welcomed with open arms. I'd so much
rather him be there as an OC. The guy's a genius.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, maybe we'll have to see some of these other
games that start getting around the league a little bit here.
Steelers beat the Bengals. This was a really good game.
It was high scoring. Maybe not good for defensive tape purposes,
but the Bengals are hard to believe.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Randal.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
They're four and eight. I know you called them booty
cheek earlier, and I don't know if that's completely fair.
I think maybe you're starting to overuse that term a
little bit. That's a different story, though, But I do
think that the Steelers they have now secured yet another
winning season under Mike Tomlin. I think that they proved
this week that, you know, because I had questions about
their offense. I think maybe even last week I was

(34:24):
talking about how their offense doesn't show up in big moments.
I think this was a big moment for them. The
Bengals defense is not very good, but they went on
the road and they laid forty four points on the
Cincinnati team. And Russell Wilson just continues his comeback barrage.
He had a pick in this game, but otherwise was
pretty pretty good. He threw four hundred yards and three touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It was a great game, John, I mean, I think
that each defense scored a touchdown if correct, right, both
both had a pick six touchdown.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah that sounds correct.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, my boy, Joey b Man, he he just can't.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh, they're putting up points. They're putting up points.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
He's causing He caused a couple of turnovers with the picks.
But it just it makes me sick, John, because he
is so good. We're gonna be deprived of him and
Jamar Chase in the playoffs. It's it's sad, Okay, it's sad.
The downfall of Cincinnati right now, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I was gonna say he leads the league in passing
yards and touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, he's doing his part. Defense stinks, offensive line stinks.
But what's really impressive though, despite Cincinnati how bad they are,
is the Steelers, Man.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
They are the real deal.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Russell Wilson. Wow, change of scenery. Did this guy magic?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I know? Actually I thought he was cooked.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Man.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Russ ain't cooked. He cooking baby. He putting that chef
hot on and he is prime time Russ. He's mister
unlimited unlimited again, I mean, uh limit.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's been so much better than he was in either
either year in Denver. I know last year is a
little bit better than his first year in Denver, but
either way, I mean, I don't think anyway could have
seen this coming. And the other thing I was saying
to my friend who's a big Steelers fan the other
day is they have a great team camaraderie about them.
This year, Like Justin Fields came in for a game

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or for a drive, sorry, and he not even a
full drive, just to play. He ran it on third
down or something, got to the edge, got a first down,
and like Russell Wilson was the one, like you know,
slapping him in the chest saying good job, and like
everybody else is all. So I just feel like they
have a very tight knit group and that probably has
a lot to do with Mike Tomlin. I will say
the one thing about this team that bugs me is

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George Pickens's immaturity. I mean, he had two penalties in
this game that cost them fifteen yards. And as a
wide receiver, you can live with the occasional you know,
offensive pass interference or whatever, but you can't really live
with the ones that are after the play. One of them,
I think he was, you know, he looked like he

(37:30):
was shooting a gun, which the NFL has made known
this year that they're cutting down on that, especially when
guys were getting flags when they were doing on first down.
So I don't think it'll end up costing them a
game or anything like that, but I wouldn't be surprised
if at some point he has one of these penalties
in a big moment and it comes back to you know,

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even maybe haunt the Steelers. Maybe not, but right now,
that's the one thing about them that I'm kind of
like treading on thin ice is George Pickens' attitude and
some of his immaturity things.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
And I get that he is but Mike Tomlin has
that defense working. Mike Tomlin is doing something with russ Man,
like they're gonna win the division. The Steelers are gonna
win the division. John I did not think yeah with

(38:23):
the Ravens. But yeah, I get it's not final, but
the Ravens aren't looking as good. They've lost to the
Steelers already, so it's it makes sense to say the
Steelers team. It's gonna be a battle if it's between
the Pittsburgh Steelers and Buffalo Bills to go to the

(38:43):
super Bowl, that.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Epic AFC championship game, especially if it was in Buffalo
and it was snowy.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yep, yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Maybe the Chiefs will be there again. No comment, Okay, goodbye, goodbye,
Please don't log off. Kirk Cousins threw four picks again.
I think it was the second time he done that
this year. They only lost by four points. The Chargers
make the trip out east to win. You know, Kirk Cousins,
in my opinion, is a guy who probably is not

(39:15):
going to be in Atlanta more than a year, just
because he has not played all that well and they
have a young quarterback waiting behind him Randall. So I mean,
do you think it's gonna be Pennick's time in Atlanta
sooner rather than later? John, you want that big Penix energy.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I mean, over the last four games, the dude hasn't
thrown a touchdown, right or three games something like that,
something and six interceptions for six interceptions no touchdowns over
the last three games.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
But yeah, it's if he still looks hurt. He's not
moving in the pocket, he can't run. I don't know
if it's the achilles age, just coming off the injury,
what it is, But you honestly may have to look
to moving to Pedix.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Now we're not in practice. We don't know how Pennix
is doing.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
He could be booty cheeking out there for all we know, right,
But what I do know is if he is playing
just slightly better than Kirk Cousins, I don't care how
much money they're paying Kirk Cousins. They have a chance
to win the division. They're gonna move off him if
need be, and chances are, and John, you can pop

(40:28):
lock and drop this one that I'm about to tell you.
Kirk Cousins will not be the starting lineup quarterback next year.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Pop lot so is that a prediction for next season?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Next season? Okay, take it, take it to the bank.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
All right. Well, I'm gonna walk it out on this
one man, and I'm gonna tell you that you're right.
Kirk Cousins are the last three games, zero touchdowns, six picks.
Before that, I mean, you know, seventeen touchdowns, seven interceptions
in the first part of the season. Not terrible, but
he was definitely throwing the ball, you know, getting intercepted

(41:04):
a few times. I said he had four picks in
the game earlier this year. He did not. I was
thinking when he had four touchdowns. But he has had
multiple interceptions in three games now, including the one he
just threw four picks in. I'm a guy who thinks
that Kirk Cousins has football left in him. But he
is thirty six years old, which is kind of hard
to believe. You know, He's basically the same age range
as Matthew Stafford, which I always think about Stafford as

(41:26):
being older and Kirk Cousins not. But Kirk Cousins been
around for a long time now. He was drafted in
the exact same draft by Washington that they took Robert
Griffin the third in and that was years ago at
this point, so he's he's been through Washington, he's been
through Minnesota. This one year in Atlanta, and like you said,
they have a chance still to win the division. They're
six and six and it's kind of open for anybody's

(41:47):
taking right now. I think they need to figure out
if he's the best option. They're currently in first place,
they're tied with Tampa, though, So is he the guy
that's going to give him the best chance? Probably just
based on track record, But from what I saw from
Penix when he came in for that quick play a
few weeks ago, he can throw the ball down the
field pretty well, and they have a lot of receivers

(42:08):
and weapons around that could probably make plays for him
if need be.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Oh, I agree.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I I really think though the true story about this
game is when, and not so much about this.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I guess you could say about this game. But but justin.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Herbert throwing for like a buck forty or a buck thirty,
they win. When this dude was thrown for three hundred
yards left and right, showing off the yarm, they were
losing left and right. It's the effect, man, it is,
And but can we talk about that rookie wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
They have Maconchley.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Wow, ridiculous. Wow.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And guess who the Patriots had a chance to draft.
They had a chance to take him and they didn't.
But what else is new anyhow?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Get drafted?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
He was right right before.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Uh, I'm but drawn and blank, I'm pulling it up now, John.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
M Yes, I think so draft he was bom please
hold okay.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Please.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
He was second pick a round two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So when did you want the Patriots to take him?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Well, they could have took him when they took him
Drake May. No, they had a because they had another
pick in the first round. Yeah, they had they had
a later pick, John, They.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Don't need to Uh, okay, Seahawks. This was this was
another Jets absolute debacle. Uh. I mean, I don't know
what else to say about it other than Rogers. They
were up big, they had a lot of points on
the board after the first quarter. He throws this pick
six to Quentin Williams, the former Jet and uh and yeah,

(44:12):
it was just not a good situation for the Jets.
In the end, they find another way to lose a game.
Rogers has said he's gonna play the rest of the
season for them, just because he gets paid for seventeen games,
so he wants to be out there for seventeen games.
But this was the ultimate former Jets Quentin Williams or
sorry Leonard Williams, because I getting the Williams mixed up here.

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Quentin Williams still on the Jets. Leonard Williams had the
pick six, the big Boy, and then you had Gino Smith,
the former Jet, coming back and winning this game. So,
I mean, do you have anything left to say about
the Jets at this point?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Sean? Well, lest are they on? Were they on the
booty cheek list? The list? But the do not Bet List? John?
That's right, they are on the do not bet list.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Honor it, respect it, and do not bet the Jets.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, that's a That's a great way to leave it.
Did you see the hit from alzir or al Azila
l Shires that he say his name?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Who hasn't seen the hit? John? They saw that hit
from NASA.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
All all things, you know, all kidding aside. Obviously, Trevor
Lawrence had a pretty significant injury here. He's out probably
the rest of the year now with a concussion. Based
on where they are, I don't see why they bring
him back after the way it happened. He had the
whole seizon thing going on there like two has gone through.
But what did you think of the hit itself? Because

(45:42):
I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
A couple of things. I do think it's tough when
you're a linebacker running full speed because you are not
sure if the quarterback is gonna slide, is he gonna
stay up. I don't want to look like the fool
who let the quarterback go by me because I thought
he was gonna slide right. Was it late of a slide?

(46:09):
It's tough to tell because he also did launch his
body right the like Shazier launched his body going that direction,
kind of like right before he slid.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Did he need to go at his neck in helmet
area with like a thrust?

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I don't know, John, I truly don't now.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
What I do know is he has been involved in
some incidents, and by some, I mean a lot of incidents.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Over the past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Now, is this one of those things where it's like,
you know what, this guy's turned turned to cheek. He's
in it off for the better now? I don't know,
But did he mean to do it on this call?

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I think it was a bad hit, But to put
full blame on him, that's tough because it was a
little bit of a late slide too.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Have you ever heard of the story of the boy
who cries Wolf?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Of course, John, I used to be him.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
This is not quite the same situation. But what it
is is exactly what you just said. It was a
terrible hit in real time, right, It looked really bad
when you slow it down. It looks like a lot
of the other late hits that we see where these
guys are running full speed and the quarterback slides incredibly late,
and there's really nothing that the player defensively can do

(47:37):
because if he doesn't do that, and Trevor Lawrence doesn't slide,
you're getting Patrick Mahomes now, where Patrick Mahomes does this
all the time, where he looks like he's gonna slide
and then he just keeps running for ten twenty more yards.
I think what you just said, though, hits the nail
on the head is he's not going to get the
benefit of the doubt, like from anybody from the public,
from the refs from anybody because of the history of

(48:01):
his incidents. I think there was one where he tried
to punch a guy in the helmet. I think he
actually choked Tom Brady out at one point. I think,
I yes, yes, So he's had these other things that
he's been involved with to your point where he's he's again,
you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt
from anybody when you've already had those situations. People are
just going to assume, oh, this guy's dirty. Remember Vontes Perfect,

(48:23):
That guy was dirty. I mean he every time he
tried to lay it hit out. He was trying to
lay somebody's head on the ground, and he didn't shy
away from that. But this guy I do feel a
little bit bad for just because I feel like, you know,
could this have been better? Sure, but it could have
also been a different guy that committed to hit. And
I don't think we talking about it like this because

(48:43):
he doesn't have the other people wouldn't have the history
that he has. But that being said, I don't know
if you saw what Nick Casario said. He came out
at the GM and basically said, this is crap. I
don't believe that they spend him for three games. They're
gonna appeal it, obviously, But I think the big problem
here is that there's really no precedent by the NFL.
They're just kind of making things up when it comes
to stuff like this, because you don't usually see guys

(49:05):
get suspended for these kind of hits. Maybe they get fined.
If they do get suspended, it might be for the
rest of the game that they were in they get ejected.
But I mean, it's a three game suspension, so he's
going to appeal. It'll be interesting to see what happens,
what comes of this, But ultimately I did it first
kind of lean towards man. There's no place for that
in the game, and as I've kind of seen it

(49:25):
more and more, I feel bad for Trevor Lawrence obviously,
but I'm also sitting here saying they've got to figure
out a way to change the rules. If the quarterback
is allowed to wait that long to slide and then
he gets hit and it's the end of the world,
you know. So I don't know if there's really no
right answer here.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I guess yeah, it's just tough to tell, right, because
when do you truly recognize the quarterback sliding right, and
when he does start to slide, are you able to
and you start your jump? Is there a way for
you to avoid hitting him in the upper a right?

(50:01):
Is there a way for you to Okay, I'm going
at them, but I'm gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I've never played tackle football at any level, so I
truly can't say that. However, I do know from a
running perspective that it is tough to just stop on
a dime like that when you're you're committed, when you
are committed to tackling something, and you see yourself going

(50:31):
full speed at that object, and even if that object slides,
your mind is set on that's my target. I feel
like you're still gonna hit that target just because that's
what your objective is hit on set up.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, that's a good good way to put it too.
I think it's really it's Yeah, like I think we've
said everything we can say about it. I just think
it's unfortunate that Trevor Warrs had the injury he had,
and it obviously looked really bad, but it is It's
one of those unavoidable things. Obviously in sport like football,
you're gonna have injuries like this. Unfortunately, the Vikings and

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Cardinals played a pretty close game. Vikings won it in
the last moments of the game on an Aaron Jones touchdown.
Aaron Jones ended up scoring with just five yards from
five yards out. And yeah, I mean they end up
taking a lead with just under a minute and a
half to go. What did you I mean do you
think the Vikings at ten and two? I think I

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asked you this some variation of this before. But where
do you kind of see them falling in the upper
echelon of the NFC? And same question with the Cardinals
because at six and six they're technically still tied for
the top that division. Actually, excuse me, I think the
Seahawks are now a half game or a game ahead
of them. They are seven and five, But at six
and six, they're still right in the midst of the
NFC West. So where do you kind of put both
of these teams?

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I put the Vikings john right where they've been all
season long. This is Sam Darnold's biggest comeback of his career,
all right, and they're a good team. The Vikings are
a good team. And I really am thinking that with
what we're seeing from Kirk Cousins in Atlanta to them

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being able to put Sam Donald in that quarterback, it's
kind of I feel like it's kind of like the
Kyle Shanahan situation with what Jimmy Garoppolo was doing, what
Trey Lance was doing for a couple of games, and
then what Rock Party was doing. It is a good
system when you have all these good players coming together
and you can just put a decent quarterback into play,

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you really are able to elevate that quarterback and he's
Sam Donald's doing his thing. I mean, they have what
two losses on the season.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, they are ten and two. That's kind of what
I was alluding to earlier when we were talking about
the Packers, Like, you don't think about them being one
of the better teams just because the Vikings and the
Lions have had such good years. But the Vikings at
ten and too, I mean, at a certain point you
have to take them seriously. It's interesting to me because
the Rams are one of the few teams. They're one
of the two teams that beat them this year. Both

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of their losses came two weeks in a row consecutively.
The Vikings. So I think like for them, it's just
a matter of are they going to stay this hot
the rest of the way, because they really only have
a two game stretch where they lost anything, and aside
from that, I don't know, they have looked really good.
They've won some of these games close fashion, including the

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last two weeks, have only been four points combined, and
their two wins the Bears, first in overtime and then
this one one point. But they have a very winnable
schedule remaining, maybe aside from their last two weeks. They
play the Falcons, the Bears, and then the Seahawks, and
then you finish with the Packers and the Lions. So like,

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I just feel like you've got a situation where if
they can win two of their next three and they're
sitting at twelve and two or twelve and three rather
or even thirteen and two, then if they go into
the last two games, even if they lose those games
with the Packers and Lions, they still end up with
twelve or thirteen wins. That's really good.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
It's it's great, that's great.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I'm still not sold on Arizona, though, John, I get
their six and six. They fight in some games, just
so much inconsistency out of them. Right Like, in terms
of division, I do put Seattle right now at number one,
followed by the Rams, then Arizona. I honestly would put
Arizona below the forty nine ers right now too.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Arizona spanked the Rams, so it's hard for me to
say that the Rams are better than them right now.
The Rams did beat Seattle in overtime, they did beat
the forty nine ers, and I still have them as
my pick from preseasons. So I love the fact that
you're bringing them up. And that's a good time to
talk about them. There's only a other couple more games
to talk about, really, And the Rams played in the
four o'clock window against the Saints, and they were able

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to beat the Saints in a game that they didn't
have any points in the first half. In fact, Matthew
Stafford had his fewest completions as a Ram in a half.
I think it only had four completions in the first
half for like twenty yards or something, and it was
six to nothing, and I'm like, what is happening here? Luckily,
the Rams came out. They scored a touchdown the third
core they took a lead, and then they scored another one,

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and even though the Saints tied the game up late,
they were able to find another touchdown to Pukainakua in
the last several minutes or actually it was nine minutes
to go, and then they kind of just held the lead.
But I mean, I don't know. I feel like I
say a variation of this every week. They keep coming
back to you know, they'll win a game, they lose
a game, they win a game, they lose a game.

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This season, you know, they got off to an zero
to two start, and then they were one in three
after they beat the forty nine ers but lost to
the Bears. They were one in four at one point randall,
and then they won three games they road to get
back to four and four, And since they were four
and four, they've alternated win loss, win loss win. So
I don't know, I don't know what to make of them.

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They got the Bills this upcoming week, which is gonna
be a really tough game. They're in LA. Uh, but
we know that Bill's Mafia travels, and we know that
LA does not do great with home games. But in
six and six, I feel pretty good about their playoff
outlook right now, just got to win a couple more
division games.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
You should and like you told me off the air, right,
the Saints, it's a tough place to play down there, right.
They had a slow start a little bit though, Ye
had a slow start down down there. But I'm still
I still am optimistic. They still have Kuka Nukua, Cooper Krupp,
Matthew Stafford and Kien Williams. When you have those powerhouses,

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which we know what they are able to do on
a nightly basis, potentially you have nothing to worry about.
At six and six, you're right where you need to be,
especially for the division.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah one, and they still have a division game to
go against every other team. So if they can beat
at least two of those games, I feel that there's
being a pretty good spot. They're already two and one
in the division, all right. And then Commanders whooped the Titans.
That game is not really worth talking about. They got
out to a really quick start, never really looked back.
It was good to see Jayden Daniels in that offense
clicking again. I do want to talk about the other

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couple games remaining real quick. I know we've already been
recording an hour Randle. The fun just never stops here.
But we'll get through these last couple and then we'll
move on to the next week real quick. But Bucks
Panthers end up going overtime. This is a game that
I don't know about you, but I had a little
bit of money on the Bucks. So when the Bucks
started winning late, they're up twenty to sixteen, I'm like, yes,

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this is gonna happen, and then of course Deelan scores
with thirty seconds to go. The Bucks find a way
to tie it, and then they win it overtime. After
it didn't look like they were gonna win overtime because
Adam Feeling made that ridiculous catch, but then the very
next play they fumbled and gave the ball back to
the Bucks. So what did you think of this game?
Because all of a sudden, Bryce Young has looked a

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little bit more competitive playing quarterback, and he's made things
interesting for some of these.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Teams all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yes, the last three games for him have been fantastic.
Kansas City last week, Tampa this week. I forget who
was right before Kansas City because they had won that game.
I'm drawing a blank on who they beat. But he's
playing competitive football right now. He's doing exactly what you

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expected and to kind of do as your number one
overall pick. Right, Yeah, And like you, I ended up
picking Live Carolina in a little parlay because I'm like,
you know what they're playing, Well, I'm expecting the upset
to happen, and so I'm excited. And know what I did, John,

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Right after they scored the touchdown, I'm like, I have
this weird feeling Tampa's gonna march down to tie this
game or win it. And so of course what did
I do. I ended up hedging my bet and thank god,
I hedge that bet to get the guaranteed winner. And
that's exactly what happened. Brought Baker Mayfield march down, got

(59:05):
in field goal range not once but twice, including the overtime.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Well, the overtime, they again they got lucky because the
fumble happened. They were pretty close. They still did to
make a couple of plays, but I will give him credit.
The Panthers, to your point, they beat the Saints, they
beat the Giants in Germany, and then they lost to
the three points to the Chiefs and they lost by
three points in the Bucks. They've been very competitive the
last four weeks, a lot of close games, and maybe
this is a turning point for Bryce Young. Doesn't get

(59:31):
any easier for them, though. They have to go play
Philadelphia next week and then as far as the last
two games that we haven't spoke about yet, because we
did talk about the Niners Bills. You had the Eagles
playing the Ravens and what was one of the better
games of the week on paper, it was at four o'clock.
Philly started slow, they had fail fall down nine to nothing,

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partially because Justin Tucker missed an extra point. He also
missed a field goal later in this game, maybe two
field if I'm not mistaken, But I guess that's really
the way to ask this. Do you think Justin Tucker
could be a liability right now for the Ravens because
they're eight and five and it feels like he's missed
a lot of kicks this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
That feels like John he has. He has missed a
lot of kicks this year, and not just kicks in
meaningless games, kicks that actually had an outcome in the
win and lost a majority of their losses this year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
John, He's missed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
At least one kick, right, that would have been a
pivotal part in them winning.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
So it's kind of crazy. Normally you don't see kickers
just all of a sudden fall off a cliff, But
this dude has fallen off a cliff. He went from
being one of the best kickers in the NFL in
history to now he is so far down that list
in consistency now because he's missed so many in one season.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, that's what happens a lot of times, these guys
who were so good for so long, they're high on
that list, and then all of a sudden, they just
fall off a cliff. You know. It kind of happened
to Adam Minitry there very very end. I know he
kicked into his forties, so it was a little bit different.
But he had that last year where all of a
sudden he just couldn't do it anymore. Mason Crosby comes
to mind with the Packers. He was there forever and

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then all of a sudden it kind of fell off.
But Tucker's more startling to me because he was so
good for so long and you could sort of see
some of the signs last year. I think he started
to miss a little bit, which he had never really done,
but this year it's kind of climbed to new heights.
And look, they're not gonna just released him because of
all he's been through with them, but it does bear

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mentioning like is he going to end up having a
moment that ends up haunting them because of this? So
I don't know. We'll have to see. And then Randall,
we finally make it to Monday night, the Browns played
the Broncos in a game that Broncos end up winning
by nine points. Your boy won a ton of money
on a couple big parlays, which was awesome. Thank you

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Jamis for throwing a pick six late, because I also
won a spread bet on the Broncos only because that happened.
But I think my takeaway from this game was that, Yeah,
Denver is gonna be okay because they can win games
even when bo is not playing his best. He threw
a couple of picks. Their defense is really good. But
I think Jameis Winston is just a national treasure man.

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I mean, he had four touchdowns almost five hundred yards
through three picks, two of them were pick sixes. And
then after the game. Did you hear his quote?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I did not oh with asking God for forgiveness from
the relief from the pick sixes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
He said, I am praying that God will deliver me
from pick sixes. So it's like, you know that whole
like God delivered me from evil thing. And you know,
it's the holiday seasons, but people are praying about all
sorts of stuff, and Jamis is out here saying I
wish God would deliver me from pick sixes. It's an
all time line. But again, they just they didn't win.

(01:02:52):
And he plays interestingly but not good enough to win.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Randall not good enough to win. That's a Jamis game.
Four hundred yards a couple of pick sixes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Definitely doing better than Deshaun Watson was, and I think
that's key that, Hey, we gotta get rid of Deshaun
Watson like that man cannot be your starting quarterback next year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah. I think that'll take care of itself in some
ways eventually. Here the Broncos, though, they continue to be
right on the edge of the playoffs, so we'll see
if they can end up clinching a spot and if
Bonnicks can end up you know, being maybe the best
rookie quarterback, but him, May and Daniels have all been
pretty good, as we've talked about. So all right, Ran,
Well that does it for Week thirteen. A lot of

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stuff going on, including the Thanksgiving weekend and all that
Black Friday game. So we have successfully navigated ourselves through
week thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Whoa look at us, John, look at us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
We're getting We're getting, We're getting some them. Adding an
extra team for the playoffs has been great. It's gonna
it's gonna make our job fun too, coming down to
the end, because now you do have a lot of
teams that are going to be on the cusp that
normally wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, it makes everything much more interesting. It's kind of
like baseball when they first expanded to extra teams. It's like,
now everybody has a chance, and it really does keep
people feeling more interested for longer. So it's great. All right,
So let's move into week fourteen, and with it, let's
get into Guess that spread.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
John, It's time to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Play Yeah that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Spread? All right, it's time to play Guess That's spread.
The game that I have been on a tear this year.
Last week I did get the last one that I
had to tie Randall, so we both won one out
of three last week. But otherwise I've just been on
absolute fire this year for whatever reason. So I don't know.

(01:04:56):
I don't have any explanation for it. We're still looking
for the first exact of the year though, Randall.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
John, you were close last time in the third one.
You're a one point off. I've been one point off
on numerous ones. Someone's gonna get it before the year ends,
mark my words.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
All Right, Well, let's see, maybe it'll be this week.
Do you want to jump in first? You want me
to go first? What do you want to do here?

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
You can go first, shun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
All right, Let's start off at quarterback as we always do,
and I'm going to ask you to give me the
passing yard number for our friend Justin Herbert. They're playing
at Kansas City. That game will be at eight twenty
pm on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I'm gonna say two hundred in seventeen and a half yards.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
John, That is incorrect. It's two twenty four and a half.
You were close but didn't get into the range.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
That's brutal. That is brutal, John.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Oh, we'd love that, all right, John, I'm gonna give
you a guy that is on an absolute heater right now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Give me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Joe Burrow Cincinnati at Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Huh, Okay. I don't know how many he's been putting up,
but I have to imagine it's a lot. I mean,
he leads the league, so game wise, if he's at
three thousand something right now, I'm gonna say Joe Burrow's
number is two ninety and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
That's why I went with them, John too high to
sixty five and a half, John High.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
But I just figured he would be closer. Okay, okay,
So we go into the running backs, no blood. All right,
let me get one here for you. How about you
give me Aaron Jones. Atlanta is playing at Minnesota. This
game will be taking place Sunday at one pm. I
want you to tell me how many running or how
many yards rushing Aaron Jones will have.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Oh, Aaron Chanes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Kirk Cousin's returning to Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
By the way, sixty nine and a half yards.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
John, That's a nice guess, but it is not correct.
Fifty eight and a half. Oh, you're getting close, but
you're just not there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I am not there, all righty, John? I am going
to give you, give it, give it to me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Give it to me, give it to me, give it
to me, give it to eh. Divne A Shaney.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
That's not how you say it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
How do I say it? John A. Chan, There we
go New York Jets at Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Uh ah Cham. This is tough. He is part of
a two headed backfield, but most really has not been
playing a lot. I'm gonna say this number is gonna
be somewhere around sixty sixty two and a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Half, John John John fifty six and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Oh, come on, if I just said sixty, I would
have been there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
You would have been good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
That's tough. That is tough. Okay, let me find a
good one here for this receiver. Let's see. Let's see. Ooh,
I think I have the guy. Okay. Cleveland is playing
at Pittsburgh Sunday afternoon. Cleveland beat Pittsburgh in the snow
a couple of weeks ago in Cleveland. I want you

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to tell me how many yards receiving George Pickens will
have over under.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Oh M sixty four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Man seventy and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
I was gonna say sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
By one era, so all I need to do is
get within five and I win yet again.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Well, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Alrighty DK Metcalf Seattle at Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Okay, DK Metcalf, Seattle at Arizona. I feel like he
has boom or bust type games, but his number is
still gonna be respectable because he's still one of the best.
Fifty eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
For the win, go fuck yourself. John sixty two and
a half.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Oh my god, dude, sixty was like screaming at me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Right this God, this goddamn god.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Everybody, Oh my god, a heater right now. Congrats, congrats.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
That is actually unbelievable, though, I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Mean, congrats, congrats.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
So we tied last week, but that is now one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
ten weeks in a row where I've gotten at least one.
That's crazy. I mean, I don't think I did nearly
this good last year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
When you're hot, Capper, When you're hot, you're hot. John,
when you're hot, you are I'm very frustrated.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Well, the good news for you is that we still
have more to do. That does it for.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
God?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Brad, yeah, yeah, fread glad you're excited, John, Glad you're excited.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
All right, Well, I'll let you go into hard locks
because you've been dominating me on hard locks this year.
You're up twenty one seventeen and one. I'm fifteen twenty
two and one. I went one and two again. You
went two and one for the third straight week and
the fourth out of your last five weeks. You've been
two and one a lot this year. So you've been
you've been good. You've been really good. Randall well, I'm

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gonna let you go first for hard locks this week,
and actually you have to introduce the segment first.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
All right, it's time to play hard locks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Her right back, all right, let us go in here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Alrighty, John, So let's let's go. You went one and
two last week. I went two and one last week, John,
So at least something I'm beating you at now this week. John,
And I like to keep it interesting everybody. I like
to put a dog in there every now and then,

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you know. But what I'm gonna be doing right now, John,
give me Minnesota minus five and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I don't think Kirk Cousins primetime, or it's not primetime,
but Kirk Cousins coming back to Minnesota, is gonna be
all that special. Sam Donald's gonna show him that he
is the better quarterback for the job in Minnesota. Give
me Minnesota minus five and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Ay, wow, Okay, that's interesting. I didn't see you going
that way. I actually thought you might be on the
other side of that one with the Falcons. They're liking
the returning angle. But okay, I'll take it. I actually
see it at six right now, but I'll give it
to you at five and a half. Fine, all right.
The first one I'm going to take here is going

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to be let's see, let's see, let's see. Okay, I'm
gonna go ahead and just do it with the Bucks here.
They're six and a half point favorites at home, which
is a significant spread, but they're playing a Raiders team
that really just has nothing going right for them right now.
The Bucks are starting to play really well again because
of the return of Mike Evans. I know they've went

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to overtime against the Panthers, but they found a way
to win. And I do think that they got the
best shot from the Panthers with division game. I think
the Raiders coming across country not so good for them.
So give me the Bucks minus six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Nice shot, John, I'm staying on the bandwagon. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Give me Pittsburgh minus six and a half against the
Cleveland Browns, and now I get it. I'm a big
fan of Jamis Winston. I want to see him do well,
but I think this defense is gonna be all up
over him. And they are not losing this game at home.
They are not. Russ is hot right now. Jamis is
hot at throwing interceptions. Give me Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Okay, that's an interesting pick. Browns beat them a couple
of weeks ago, but it is in Pittsburgh, and I
think things are going a little bit better now for
the Steelers than they were at that point. Okay, my
next pick I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with
a dogg alert here, thank you. The Bears plus four

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at San Francisco. This might seem might seem like a
weird pick, but it's a weird week as far as
lines are concerned. To me, there's a lot of big spreads.
There's a couple of really bad matchups. This might not
be the best matchup, but one thing I do know
is that the Bears have been in position to win
games this year, and I like the whole firing your
coach factor. This week, the forty nine ers have some

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major injuries. They put McCaffrey and Mason on. I are
they still have perty, They still have their receivers a
couple of them, Debo Kittle, whatever, But I don't know.
I just think if you give me four points of
the Bears, they might still lose the game. But I'll
take Chicago plus four.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Wow, John, I like that. I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I don't think I ever have taken Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
But here you go, John, Yes, I'm gonna give you
the Lock of the century right here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Oh. I think you had one of those last year and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
It did it hit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Maybe still the same century though, so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
But the lock of Eternity, the Lock of the millennium,
the lock of the locks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
You can pop, lock and drop the baby. Give me
the bills minus three at home?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Oh sorry, they're on the road, but it's gonna be
like a home game because you said it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
They're playing in La. Give me the bills.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
All right, Well, it's it's four right now, not three.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I said three and a half. I said three and
a half.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
You said three. I can run nist the tape. You
said three, but it's four right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I'm seeing three and a half. But I'll even take
the four because they're squeezing. They're squeezing the juice out
of you. They're squeezing so much out of you, John,
it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Yeah, I'm staying away from that game. I was tempted
to take the Rams just to spite you, but I
can't do it, can't do it to myself. Instead, the
last game that I'm going to take here, Randall is
the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday Night Football. They'll be
at home against the Chargers. They're minus three and a half.

(01:16:39):
Chargers are playing well obviously this year, but the Chiefs
are eleven and one. And I just think something about
primetime Patrick, with Taylor there and Travis and all that stuff,
it's gonna be a fun show for them. I think
it's a high scoring game. So maybe take me over
as well. It's only forty two and a half right now,
but give me Kansas City minus three and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I'm seeing four, John, I know you're not. You know
the hard rock Actually no, I was just kidding. And
then I went to look I actually am seeing four.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I can screen. Yes, I'm screenshotting this right now for you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
All right, oh my, I'm checking my backup book here
to see what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
And that's what book you're saying, like the heart, the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Backup book is at four. So you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
We'll go for my man saying my hard hard rock
app is an official Yeah, I'm seeing four, big chief.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
All right, I'll take four round number.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
And then you can also see in mind the three
and a half I was looking at for the rams,
you know. But that's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Yeah, you can have something you can't have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Some folks make sure. This is very important. Why to
make sure you have different to get the best best
odds possible.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
That's always odds, John, Amen, that does it for hard Locks,
That does it for Honos.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Okay. So that brings us to the end parts of
our episode. Here only one game left to play. If
you missed last week's episode, or you didn't make it
that far in the episode because the audio was not great.
Uh you didn't hear Randall tell me that he didn't
have a word of the day. It just didn't come
together last week. It was the day before Thanksgiving, the

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system failed him. He didn't get one from his girlfriend.
So Ran, I'm hoping that this week there'll be no
funny business that you have a word of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
John, I indubitably haven't a word of the day for you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Okay, so you all know it. I get a word,
I have to use it. John has to guess it. John,
what is the word of the day? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
What does indubitably mean?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Like without a doubt, did you just did.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
You just drop the word of the day on me
right there? Did you just try to pull that off
and skate it by like it was just part of
your setup? But it's actually the word. I can hear
you laughing. I know it's true. I'm gonna say it's indubitably.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Let's find out all John, I'm gonna give you a lock,
an eternal lock. It's pop luck and drop it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Oh you asked? I had that lined up? You know
you did?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I know you? Did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
That was the only thing that I said that was
out of the ordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
So I'm like, I gotta think it's something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Weird to say right now, And he's gonna be all
over it, thinking I'm trying to just slide something in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
You said you said had pop lock and drop it
two different times too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
I did. I was like convinced it was it, and
then you just said indubitably. I'm like the pop lock
and drop it was all set up, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
All, but it was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
It was Wow. I will say, that's that's next level thinking.
You got me there, because I was thinking I had
it all figured out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I knew you did. I'm like, I got it. I'm
like I had to say think of something quick. I'm like,
I'm gonna say something really weird right now just to
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Oh my god, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
You didn't even hesitate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Well then I heard you laughing as I said that,
like so faintly, and I'm like, it's gotta be it.
I'm just gonna guess it because I still was thinking
pop lock and drop it. But oh man, all right,
So that's a good win for you there because you
had me. He had me on the ropes. I thought
I had you. But it ends up coming back around me,

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doesn't That doesn't that take up for the the way
the guest that's spread.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Ended it really does? You had a hail Mary pass caught.
I had one too, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Well, that pretty much doesn't for us. I'd say we've
been on for a good eighty minutes. Now, Randall, if
there is anything that we didn't get to that you
wanted to talk about today, now's your chance to let
me know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
I think we covered everything. John, It was a fantastic episode.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
I thought so too. Thought's particularly our argument about Matt
Eberflus and Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Was exceptional, without a doubt. Heated. You gotta love the
good heated debate.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Absolutely all right, well, Randall, that doesn't for us. As always,
thanks for listening everybody, Randall, take it away and go
ahead and finish.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Up this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Goodbye, goodbye, good friend, goodbye. It's the John and Randall
the bell Fee.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
We discussed Matt eberflu.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Getting fired, and I think John wants to fire me,
fire

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Me the lock bed hop block and drop it ip
block and drop it blocker dropping