Season 3 Episode 16: Bill Belichick to UNC, Drama in Philly, Rams/Bills Classic, Week 15 Hard Locks & Games

On this episode, John and Randall open by discussing the reports that Bill Belichick is heading to UNC as new Head Coach. They also discuss some of the drama reported in Philadelphia, talk about the crazy Rams/Bills game, and another Chiefs close call! Plus, all the Week 15 picks and games!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What is going on? Everybody. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to
another edition of the John and Randall Football Experience. My
name is John Vino, and with me, as always is
my guy Randall Minogue Randall. It's going to be week
fifteen in about twenty four hours. Can you believe it?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
John?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
The only thing I hate about football season is when
football season is coming to it, And man, love just
from so many perspectives. It's just so entertaining, the excitement
the games. It's honestly, and people say this all the time,
sports the best live TV drama there is because it's

(01:07):
just so unscripted in and that's what the NFL season's about.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And just have a one game a week.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It's just it's like given a crack added copaine.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Man, it's just I want more and more and more.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, I didn't expect you to go there. But that
being said, you're right in a lot of ways because
we only get so many of these. There's eighteen of
them in the regular season, and then if you're lucky,
obviously figuring out your team has a buy in one
of those eighteen weeks. But then if you're lucky, your
team makes the playoffs and you get to maybe have
an extra game or two or three or whatever. But
that being said, I mean, we've only got four weeks

(01:42):
left where everybody's gonna be playing, which is just wild
to me because it feels like it was just August
and this is how it goes every year. But they're
so precious you don't want to give them up because
you only get a certain amount of sundays. I can
watch the Yankees one hundred and sixty times a year.
I can watch you know, the Magic or the Rangers
eighty times a year, but I can only watch the
Rams play a guaranteed seventeen times a year. So, speaking

(02:07):
of being hard to give up, I think we should
start with quick hits like we always do, Randall, and
I'll tell you what it is after you do the introits. Well,
speaking of hard to give it up, it must be
really hard for Bill Belichick to be giving up coaching
because we just found out a few hours ago that

(02:27):
he is finalizing a deal to become the head coach
of North Carolina, not the Carolina Panthers, not a professional
football team, but the UNC tar Heels that play college football.
So Bill Belichick has now started dating a twenty something

(02:48):
year old and now he's going back to college for
his next gig. Randall, I am pretty shocked that he
took this job. I mean, it's been kind of coming
together the last couple of days, and some of the
details about out are, you know, pretty I'd say he
wasn't gonna get this kind of set up in many places.
And what I mean by that is the apparent reports
about Steven Belichick going with him and being the heir

(03:10):
apparent and all that stuff. It's just kind of odd
to me because this guy seems so gung ho on
trying to break this winning record that Don Schula still holds,
and his only chance to do that in the NFL
is to, of course, come back and coach another NFL team,
which right now he will not be doing for at
least the next year. So what are your impressions of this,
because I was pretty shocked to start hearing this news

(03:32):
that it could happen, and now, I mean it's been
reported by Adam Schefter and and Ian Rappaport within the
last couple hours, So this thing's happening. I mean, he's
going in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I can't believe it. John, I mean, you just
think when he.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Was let go parted ways whatever you want to call
it with the Patriots, I honestly thought he was gonna
try to come back to coach in the NFL like that.
That's just what it is. Got an NFL guy, he's
on the older side, which, by the way, u NC
just went with Mark Brown, I believe was back Brown

(04:12):
he was the oldest head coach in the NCAA, and
now they go from him.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
To the next oldest head coach in.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
The NCAA, which you can't it. Just the jokes are
gonna start writing themselves. Like you said, he's dating a
girl in his twenties, so he's like, Eh, why not
let me go back to college. But we all thought
he was tied on this Don Shula NFL record, and
maybe he is. Maybe he's just using this as a
stepping stone quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Righteah, But how dumb is that though? I mean, like
NFL teams need to see this guy go back to
college the coach before they can hire him.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You mean it, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
You mean to tell me one of these crappy teams
wouldn't be hiring Bill Belichick, whether it be the Jets,
whether it be Dallas, whether it be the Bears, like.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Somebody was got a job. I mean, the Falcons interviewed
him last year. He was the only that was the
only interview you had. But you just kind of thought, Okay,
he didn't get this job, but he'll he'll get a
job next year, because it was so fresh last year
that you're like, all right, he'll he'll wait a year
and then it'll happen. But the last thing you thought
what happened is this?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Do you think John his agent told him like, Hey,
look like I reached out to these these managed general managers,
and what I'm hearing is there's no interest.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I only imagine that there's no interest at all. And
I and even if they're I mean, I feel like
if there was no interest at all, that's something that
you wouldn't hear about quite yet because we're so far away.
Even though we just talked about Hey, it's already week
fifteen coming up, we're still about a month away from
a lot of these teams making any major decisions. I mean,
some of them have already fired coaches. We know the

(05:56):
Bears are gonna have an opening, obviously, the Saints fired
their coach, there's teams out there that have already fired
their coaches, but you're not gonna know quite how many
openings there are for about another month in totality, and
I think even then, it's like one of those things
that you didn't really hear last year that people weren't
interested in him. He just didn't get interviews. So you
could be right, I guess, But my my thinking is just,

(06:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Really different. Man.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's nice, yeah, I mean, I know he coached in
college back in the day. I mean that was literally
a lifetime ago for him. Yeah, So unless he's going
to be having everybody else do the recruiting, do all
these different things for him, handle the nil money.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean, well, that's the one thing that's kind of
more like the pros than it ever was, is the
fact that now it's more like free agency, can dip
in and go get players in the portal much easier
than you ever could before. But the thing that I
find very interesting is what college kid is going to
want to go play for Bill Belichick? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like, I get it, man, Maybe you want to learn something.
Maybe maybe maybe they will.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Maybe there are some guys that said you know what
I do want to go there. I want to learn
something from.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Banking on that that there will be some guys.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
That are like I want to learn, like this guy
has knowledge. He's gonna help me get to where I
want to be in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Maybe maybe Tom Brady, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Maybe he promised. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, you almost have to guarantee that, like Matt Patricia
probably weasels his way onto the coaching staff somehow, right,
I mean, Josh McDaniels might still be qualified to be
an NFL offensive coordator if he wants to be. Uh,
but I don't know. This whole thing is just kind
of shocking to me. We'll get more details about it
in the coming days and weeks, obviously, so we'll be

(07:55):
able to kind of give it more. I guess the
proper attention wants me to know the full details and
scope of this thing. But it's I think we're at
a point now where it you know, it's been kind
of talked about for a couple of days, and with
it kind of being finalized today, I think the only
thing left to kind of hear about is the salary,
and and you know, the whole situation with the Sun
and who might be joining him on the staff and whatnot.

(08:17):
So that's all gonna be interesting to see, because again,
I just can't fathom the idea of Bill Belichick at
seventy whatever years old, going back to college now to
coach after one year out of the NFL. I just
never thought we'd be here, But here we are. So
I guess I guess that's maybe our most interesting quick
hit of the year, dall, because I did not expect

(08:39):
this one.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
And it's not even and it is NFL related, but
it's not, I guess, just but still, it's the.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Second all time coach in the NFL history, you know,
So it's still it's got relevance. I just didn't see
it happening. So all right, let's go back to Week
fourteen and the week that was, and we'll start with
Thursday night football. It was a great game between the
Packers and Lions as far as the scoring was concerned,
and yeah, it was I wouldn't say really back and forth,

(09:10):
but it was pretty back and forth in the sense
that late in this game was when Green Bay was
finally able to jump the lines. They jumped them in
the third quarter. At one point they jumped them again
in the fourth quarter, and that's when it really got good.
You had kind of a bunch of scores right at
the end of this game. These two behemoths in the NFC,
in the NFC North randall, you know them two and

(09:31):
the Vikings are kind of eating one another up right
now as far as as being at the top of
the NFC standings, But obviously two of them are gonna
be wildcard teams in this so we're surprised that the
Lions were able to keep things rolling here against the
Packers in a game that obviously came down to the
wire here for them, and they had that incredibly ballsy
call to go fourth and fourth down. They were already

(09:53):
in field goal range.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
My dude's nutsack is like the biggest stock planet.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Earth right now. My god, you got it. I mean,
it's true, John.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
It's true family friendly show.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
The cahonys.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
You gotta have to pull something off like that. I
honestly want to do a poll, and I mean we
don't even need to do a poll of NFL coaches
that would go for it or not. Every single one
of them thirty one out of thirty two are kicking
a field goal there, John, Like, I mean, but hey.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know what, he believed in his team.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
He didn't want to He wanted to keep it in
their hands, and he did. And you know what, we
can go back and say, hey, if you didn't get it,
you're an idiot. But guess what when you when you
make the call and you get it, you're a hero.
If not, you're an idiot. He's not an idiot yet.
I mean, he was an idiot a little bit in
uh the San Francisco came last year, but now he's

(10:53):
a hero.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
On the other hand, John, one win against a team
with the winning record this year one?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
When are they frauds? I'm not sure?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Are they kind of like the Miami Dolphins of last
year who did the exact same thing. Teams five hundred
or better, they couldn't beat anybody under five hundred.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
They were whooping up bottom.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean that's a definite concern if you're the
Packers going into the playoffs, because obviously all those teams
are gonna have winning records, so you need to kind
of figure that out before you get there. For the Lions,
I mean, you're right, everything he said is he hit
it right on the head. You know, Dan Campbell took
a really huge gamble with going for it, especially in
a situation where you know they were no doubt in

(11:39):
field goal range. It wasn't like they were at the
forty yard line it would have been a really long
field goal. It was they will I think around the
thirty if not closer. And he basically said, I want
to end this game in our terms. And I can
really appreciate that because honestly, I watched the Rams sort
of do something similar. I think they ended up giving
the ball back to the Bills anyway at one point,

(12:01):
but there was points in that game where you're like, oh,
they could go for it, they could give it away.
And honestly, I think Dan Campbell is just the latest
version of somebody who chose to make this decision and
had it work out for them, because we've seen it
the other way too many times, and I feel like
sometimes we just compartmentalize, oh, this worked or that didn't work.

(12:22):
But I mean these decisions that these guys make. If
they had not gotten that first down and it would
have been turned over and they never had a chance
to kick a field goal again, and the Packers end
up kicking a game winning field goal. Dan Campbell, while
he's still a great coach and people respect the body
of work that he's built up, would have been getting
dragged a little bit for a couple of days there.
And it's the complete opposite when it works, because it worked,

(12:47):
And that's quite simply it. I mean, you said it
perfectly there. They love you when they love you, and
they hate you when they hate you, So if things
aren't going right, they're going to turn on you. And
I think this is a perfect situation of one of
those situations where he made a crazy gamble. It worked
out for them and they win the game, obviously a
few moments later on a game winning field goal. I
do think the Lions have proven that they can beat anybody.

(13:10):
You know, They've They've proven that they can win the
close game, they can win the blowout. The only team
they've lost to this year was the Buccaneers, and that
was Week two, and if you think about it, they
went to overtime with the Rams week one, they lost
to the Bucks week two, and since then they have
not lost a game. So they've been able to win
conference games, they've been able to win division games, they're
able to beat teams above them, below them, whatever you

(13:31):
want to call it. And they are right now the
top dog having only one loss in the NFC. So
I really like it what the Lions are doing. But again,
it's one of those things where if he had done
that and it comes out the wrong way all of
a sudden, Dan Campbell, I mean, he still would be
people would be saying that he's still a great coach,
but he'd be getting a little bit more crap than
he ultimately ends up getting none because they win.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hey, when you win, everything's going great. John.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
At the end of the day, That's what matters, is
the w's in that wing column, right, and they're hot.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Over the last two years.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
This has to be the best team in football, without
a doubt, better than the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Better. And we're gonna get to that game later on.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
But this Detroit Lions team, they've just it's amazing how
well they are playing. And normally John teams like this,
I mean it's been for forty fifty years, right, Like
it's a loser city. You got the Tigers, you get Detroit,
Like anything in Detroit is just lost, lost, lost, lost loss.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Right like Detroit Pistons losers.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, the Lions used to be just loser, loser losers,
no matter what, they would find a way to lose
a game. Had Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford both in
their prime, and yet couldn't find.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
A way to win.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
So now this team is when you're when you're able
to put it together. Two seasons in a row like
they have really two and a half because the second
half here too, they were winning.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
They went on like an eight eight and one streak.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
But I'm happy for them, and I feel like the
fans want to continue to see Detroit win. They love
watching Detroit, at least I know I do. I know
you're in the NFC as a Rams fan with them,
so you might not want to see them, but.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I feel like America is rooting for the Lions.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah. Well, I mean I can appreciate what they're doing,
and I do have a soft spot for Jared goth
obviously giving the fact that he brought us to the
Super Bowl excuse me ultimately end up in working out
with him, But I don't have any anks towards him,
and I have no ill will towards the franchise as
a whole. A lot of what you said is true
about the city. They've they've been losers for a long time, Detroit.

(15:54):
So to have a winning culture now for at least
the football team's got to be nice. Speaking of winning culture,
I mean this Pittsburgh Steelers team. They were favorited. They
should have beaten the Browns, but we know what happened
a couple weeks ago in the snow in Cleveland. Jamis
was able to beat them. But Jamis threw a couple
more picks in this game. Russell Wilson just continued to

(16:16):
play smart football. He didn't go crazy as far as
yards we're concerned this game like he had some of
these other games. But the Steelers defense just played lockdown
D and they end up winning a game that they
should have won by thirteen points. So, I mean, the Steelers,
I don't know what to ask you about them anymore
because I feel like every week I'm like, oh, do
you think they're legit? But I ultimately, do you think

(16:39):
this Steelers team has enough juice that they can compete
with let's say, the Bills or you know, the Chiefs.
I know you don't like using that word, yes, but
the top of the class in the AFC.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes, John, They're doing
everything right. You know, this defense, which is it's honestly
been incredible, how consistent this defense is. The offense for
the Steelers has been bad for the last what five years?
Six years? And now they finally bring in a guy

(17:13):
that is running it efficiently, effectively and putting points up
on the board. And the Steelers are gonna give this
guy a fat contract without a doubt when they go
and win a playoff game this year, they are gonna
win a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Rush just found his new home.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's rejuvenated him, without a doubt, rejuvenated his career. Okay,
it's revived him. But they John, and you know me,
I'm a Steeler hater, hater, hater hater. I'm very impressed
by what I'm seeing, very impressed. Yeah, you know, it
wasn't on the bingo card for them to be winning

(17:53):
the division at this stage of the year.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
No, it definitely was not, especially when you look at
the Bengals and the offense they put up this year,
and the Ravens keep being that team that you think
is going to be the elite, but they keep having
these weird games something you just said. It's pretty interesting though,
because I don't think a lot of people have really
talked about the future now of Russell Wilson with the
Steelers based on what he's been able to do in

(18:17):
his limited time with them. But it is a conversation
worth having because quite frankly, remember they started the year
with Justin Fields and he was winning games for them
as well. But nen sence, Russell Wilson took over this
and has come over and they're barely not playing paying
him at all. It's basically all the Broncos and maybe

(18:38):
even the Seahawks that are paying some of it, because
I think his deal was originally signed with them before
the trade. But my point being that he is right
now a very cheap option for the Steelers. So do
you actually think that they'll go that far with him
and say, you know what, We'll give you another two
or three year deal worth let's say thirty five or
forty million dollars a year, when you could conceivably try

(18:59):
to move on to Justin Fields next year for much cheaper.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I think they have to, John, they have to resign
this man. I mean, there was a reason why they
moved off him off justin fields at three and one,
right or two and one?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
What I think was three and one? Correct?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, they might have. Yeah, it was I think the
third it was fourth game of the year, fifth game of.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
The year, correct.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, So he had a winning record, John, and they
moved off him. That tells something, right, And again I
know it was a winning record, but I don't think
they would have won some of these other games, John,
they weren't putting up enough points. That defense was doing everything.
Russ is putting up points for them.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
And it is also to the fact of I've heard
rumblings of kind of going to a different team with
Sam Darnold, right, Like, this man on the Vikings is
a completely different QB and a completely different system, surrounded
by different guys.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
He's having success.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
But yet all I keep hearing is what's teams are
going to be interested in Sam Donald? And it seems
like none of them are actually the Minnesota Vikings. And
I don't know if that's because they have JJ McCarthy
waiting out there on deck, even though he's hurt this year,
but it just doesn't make sense to me on both
quarterbacks are having tremendous success. Both teams are having tremendous success.

(20:20):
Why would you not offer? And they're not going to
go out there and fetch top dollar like fifty sixty
million a year thirty but thirty at least in the
thirty to fifty range, right, I mean they're both double
digit wins this year.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well you have to reward that.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah. So you know, it's interesting that you bring Donald
into the equation now too, because you know, Russ and
him are I think probably similar stories. Only Russ is
obviously a little bit older and has more success career wise.
But I can give you reason why I think the
Vikings aren't interested in re signing Donald. That I think
at least makes sense, and that being that they didn't

(20:58):
really plan on signing a quarter or else they would
have just signed Kirk Cousins. They you know, they were like,
we're gonna we have to We've we've paid other guys.
We're gonna have to move on and just go the
younger route here or the stopgap route. And they drafted
JJ McCarthy and they signed Sam Donald. I can tell
you right now how I think this is all gonna
play out for the Vikings. If you want me to.

(21:18):
I think Sam Donald leaves in free agency and they
go into next year with Daniel Jones as the new
stop gap quarterback because remember he signed to the practice
squad after he was released from the Giants, and then
Jones is the guy who gives JJ McCarthy the competition
in camp, and ultimately, if McCarthy's good enough, he starts
in Jones in the backup. But I think that's why

(21:39):
the Vikings are probably not interested in bringing Donald back.
It's not so much that Donald hasn't played well. It's
that they never really planned on doing this with a
quarterback right now as far as paying them, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
And and that makes sense, But I think it's also
idiotic to think that Daniel Jones is gonna come in.
And I mean, I maybe was idiotic for me to
like to think that Donald.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'm just I'm making a prediction. I'm making a prediction. No,
but now Jones.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Him, no prediction makes that It's I'm saying idiotic on
the sense of the Vikings. But with what you're saying,
it adds up like two plus two is adding up
to four. Right here, I'm seeing it right in front
of me, Like, what you're saying is the truth.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Okay, I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
And with Ross, I mean it's it's maybe more his age,
I think than anything else. But the Steelers are a
team that I think can probably make it work if
they wanted to as far as paying a quarterback. But
they've also been in this weird kind of limbo since
Ben Roethlisberger retired where they haven't really known who their
next guy was gonna be, and they've never made a
commitment to somebody, you know, at quarterback other than when

(22:51):
they drafted maybe Kenny Pickett. But you get what I'm
saying is they didn't really they haven't signed anybody they
traded for Fields, they they traded for Wilson. These are
guys that maybe one of them and Russell Wilson ends
up sticking around long term. But I just it will
be interesting to see based on his resurgence this year,
maybe he ends up going on a playoff run too.

(23:12):
You know, what does the number look like for these
two guys specifically, because I think they're both worth talking about,
and if they're not back with their original teams, then
who might be interested in paying them the money? Based
on you know what has happened in their careers recently,
but also based on the fact that they both just
had great rebound years. So very interesting stuff, Randall, And
you bring Donald up. They beat the Falcons and Kirk

(23:36):
Cousins return to Minnesota kind of spoiled the return. There
are the Falcons cooked? I mean they they've been trending
the wrong way here in the division. The Bucks are
trading the right way right now. Even the Panthers have
played a little bit better. I know the Falcons still
have six wins, but do you think that they're cooked?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I would like to think they are, But somehow, some way,
it's it's gonna come down out to the wire.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
John.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
It's crazy how the Falcons are only a game back.
The Saints are only two games back.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
But what does the eye test tell you? Do you
really think the Falcons can hang with these teams? I mean,
I know they're not great. I know it's not Tom
Brady's Bucks, But you know, what do you think? Do
you think they're done?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
They're putting up They're putting up points, John, I mean,
I mean the Bucks are putting up points.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
They've scored almost one hundred more points.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Than than the Falcons, and the Falcons are in second,
you know, so, like, I mean, yes, I the eye
test says the Bucks should win the division.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I would say that. I you know, based
on what I've seen from the Falcons. They're only a
game back right now of Tampa Bay. Like you said,
it's not like it's the end of the world. But
I they're just trending in the complete wrong direction. They
don't have another game with the Bucks left. They did
split the season series with them this year. Actually they
beat them in both games, so they would have the

(24:55):
tiebreaker over them ultimately if they end up tied. But
you know, right now, you look at the Falcons schedule,
it's not exactly the most daunting either. Three of their
final four games they play the Raiders, they play the Giants,
and they play the Panthers. The only game in there
that you could say, oh man, it's a good opponent
is the Commanders, and that is Week seventeen. So, I mean,

(25:16):
they've got three pretty winnable games here. But the way
I see Kirk Cousins playing is not that of an
inspired football player right now. He's been throwing picks a
lot lately, and they're not gonna win if he's turning
the ball over at this raid. So I don't know.
I mean, it's it's probably not worth having too deep
of a discussion about. But ultimately I would say I
think the Bucks are the better team and they should

(25:37):
win the division even though they lost two.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, it's just weird because they lost two games to
the Falcons this year, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
What I mean?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yep, which does put? Which does?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Though John put pressure on Tampa to make sure they
are not tied at the end of this season, right.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
The Bucks did beat the Raiders by a hefty martin
fifteen points. Don't have to get two into that one.
The Saints beat the Giants in a game that nobody
really cared about. The Panthers kept it very close with
the Eagles randall. It ended up being a late touchdown
by Philadelphia. It wasn't too too late, and then they
held the fourth quarter lead for a lot of the

(26:15):
fourth quarter. But the Panthers had a lead on the
board in the second half here after a touchdown by
Chuba Hubbard late in the third quarter. Caroline has played
a lot better of late, but does this Eagle's close call,
even at eleven to two, give you pause for concern.
And also, did you see the whole Brandon Graham situation
where he came out he's if you don't know who

(26:35):
he is, he's a defensive player for the Eagles. I
know you know who he is. Randal. I'm just saying
for our audience. But he basically said that there's a
huge rift right now between aj Brown and Jalen Hurts,
and it's not a football related issue. He thinks it's
some sort of personal problem. And the fact is that
he put that out there for the world to hear,
and then he tried to retract it, but he put
it out there. So, I mean, what do you make

(26:57):
of the Eagles right now, because they're eleven to two,
but it feels like they've got a lot of more
issues than just the score of their football games.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
John that as soon as so I'm gonna cover a
couple grounds here.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
One there was a man that bet three.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Million dollars, oh my god, on the Eagles money line.
As soon as that happens, John, I'm like the Panthers
cluster teen and a half is a basic guaranteed lock
because there's no way this is not going to be
a close game. Like you mean, it's there's no way
Vegas was gonna have this to be anything but close

(27:34):
and a sweat and legit. Leget should have caught that ball.
It should have been a touchdown. He dropped it. He
dropped multiple passes throughout the day. I mean, incredible that
the Eagles didn't lose this game. Incredible that this man
did not lose three million dollars like he got blessed

(27:54):
from the gods. He should not be betting anymore. Take
that money and run AnyWho. On the second part, right
after the game, AJ Brown comes out, Yeah, our problems passing. Yeah,
I wasn't targeted at all in the first half. Okay,
I get that, But as a defensive player coming out

(28:15):
and saying those things that which should be behind closed doors,
someone's fighting in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
John after that, well, I guarantee it.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Brandon Graham's a veteran too, and I mean he's a
guy who's been around for a long time, so the
fact that he would say something is kind of odd.
And then he tries to say, ah, you know, don't
read too much into it. Nick Sirianni's up there basically saying,
I see them have lunch together every day. I see
them praying together before games together. So they're friends. But
it's like, well, you can't unring the bell. I mean,

(28:48):
he said what he said, and it's a player inside
the locker room is saying and like you said, aj
Brown has been vocal plenty of times about not getting
targets over the course of his Eagles career, specifically, so
I don't know what's going on here, but I feel
like these guys just need to kind of shut up
and figure it out. It kind of reminds me of
Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens back in the day. I

(29:09):
know you might have been a little bit too young, Randall,
just kidding, but back back in the day, I mean,
they had infamous fights late in Terrell owens Eagles career.
I know he wasn't there for that long, but they
were friends when he first got there, and then by
the end it was like, yeah, these guys they can't
talk to each other, they can't stand each other. They
were still being successful in the field for the most part,

(29:32):
but it was just one of those things where the
team kind of had to move on and they did,
and you wonder if that's what this all comes to
a head at some point, because I do feel like
the Eagles have another guy in DeVante Smith who takes
a back seat a lot of times because of the
skill level of AJ Brown. Excuse me, So, I don't know,

(29:52):
Maybe they end up just saying that after this year,
you know what, we can win without you. We have Barkley,
now we have DeVante Smith. We can bring other guys
up and through and make and work for us. But
I because, in a real sense of the word, if
these guys actually are bickering and they have to choose
one or the other, they're obviously going to choose the
franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You have to, right, I mean, it always comes down
to that. I mean, who are you paying more dollars to.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Exactly, and who is it harder to replace? Is that guy?
I mean, you can go out and draft a receiver,
you can sign one free agency. These guys are available
to you. I mean, look at a. J. Brown is
a great example. They traded for him. So, I mean,
I don't know, We'll have to see what happens. They're
still winning games. Obviously, this one was a little bit
uglier than maybe some of their other wins, But.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I don't know. I just don't know. The Johnny feat
The Titans, Randall, was that game exciting to you? Mac
Jones a little win action?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah? Yeah yeah? Did anybody actually even watch that game?
Are we gonna really waste our Breton? No, we're not.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I just wanted to ask you about Mac Jones real quick.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Or yeah, yeah, yeah, move on to the next.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Jackson Dolphins into overtime. The Dolphins, they got a must
needed win if they have any hope of staying alive
for the playoffs. They're six and seven. Now, another good
game from Tua. You have the John hus Smith drive
in overtime, and just another Jetsy and loss here. It
was the first time in a long time that Aaron
Rodgers threw for over three hundred yards, but the Jets

(31:21):
again lose another game, and I guess the focus is
more so on the Dolphins here, Randal. It's six and
seven with a handful of games to go, four to
be exact, and a can full of teams that they
would have to jump over, you know, up to the minute.
Here I'm looking. Indianapolis is six and seven also, but
then you've got Denver, La Baltimore and Houston are all

(31:42):
eight and five, So if they're gonna have a chance,
it's gonna be one of those those bottom teams as
a wild card hopping over. Do you give them any
chance of still making the playoffs here?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Nope, nope and nope. Okay, John One put the Jets
on the nube, do not bet. I did that with
this week and I won.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Perfect, It was simple, easy suffice number two. Miami they stink.
I mean, they're starting to put up.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Some more points, but y'all been much better lately, of course.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
But you had to go to over time with the Jets.
Come on, that's horrible, absolutely horrible. Now, I will say this,
there's always hope, right, there's always a chance. But at
the end of the day, guess what the Dolphins are,
just like the Green Bay Packers. Can't beat good teams,

(32:37):
so they can be good teams. They're not going to
get into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I would tend to agree. I mean, I feel
like if they do get there, they're probably a quick
out for a team. But they have played a lot
better when Tua came back, which I think is something
we say a lot every time he comes back from injury.
The forty Niners walloped the Bears. It was a good
game for them.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Bears.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Can you need to have struggles and the whole firing
of Eva Flus didn't seem to work out. Still some
drama for the Niners with Deebo Samuel, but you know,
I think they'll they'll kind of figure things out. They're
six and seven. I don't know if they have a
chance of winning the division or not, but they're playing
the Rams tomorrow night, which we'll talk about in a
few minutes here. The Seahawks beat the Cardinals in a
huge game for the NFC West. I was kind of

(33:22):
surprised to see the Cardinals kind of roll over like
this and allow Zach Charbonnay specifically to kind of run
all over them. Randall, I don't remember which side you
were on going into this game, but I thought it
was a huge game for the NFC West obviously, and
kind of a disappointing result from the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It was, I mean, Seattle was an underdog, John.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I ended up taking an oar pick Seattle plus two
and a half, and obviously that cleared.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Easily, but I did not.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I had Arizona.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I want to know, John, I want to know.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
What Arizona is thinking, Like, what are they honestly thinking
on the inside of that locker room. Do they think
that they can compete in this division or are they
just they just trying to give it away. They've they've
had opportunity.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
They were leading the division for a couple of weeks there, and.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
They just want to give it away.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
John, because I mean, Seattle, I feel like, is like,
you know what they're they're fighting. Those guys are grinding,
they're digging in, and they're making Gino's making something happen.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
M Yeah, I mean, and they didn't have Ken Walker
in this games. Zach Sharboney played and he went all
ran all over the Cardinals. And the Seahawks are one
of those teams that I mean. They have the receivers,
they have Metcalf, they have Smith and Jigma, even Tyler
Lockett still make some plays. The defense is okay. I
don't really look at them as an ultimate contender right

(34:47):
now in the NFC, but obviously they are a division
winner right now or division leader right now. So if
they're gonna continue that path, they could end up in
the playoffs. Maybe they win a game, if they have
a home game, but ultimately I'm hoping that the Rams
end up jumping over them. The Rams are one game
back right now, and that's only because they were able

(35:08):
to upset the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, not night, but
Sunday afternoon. In La and Randall, I was very much
of the mindset that this two week stretch for the
Rams was going to be incredibly important. They're coming in
at six and six, and they had games against the
Bills and Niners, and I figured to myself, they have

(35:29):
to get through this series of games one and one
to give them a real shot at still making the playoffs,
because they'd be seven and seven with games against the Jets, Cardinals,
and Seahawks remaining, and I was not giving them much
of a shot at all. The other day, and quite frankly,
my friends, you know, they were all over the Bills.
They're betting stuff, and I'm sitting there and I'm saying,
you know what, I'm not gonna not bet this game.

(35:50):
But I was the way I bet it was. I
end up taking Rams plus seven and Tease the over,
and I really wish I had taken Rams money line,
because right away I got the sense that man this
Bill's defense is not that great, and Josh Allen obviously
is because he had six touchdowns, but you know, three
running and three throwing. But but the Rams offense, I mean,

(36:12):
they ended up not punning at all. They went right
down the field basically every time they have a ball.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, John, it was. It was a blood bath, and
the sense of the Rams just really should have ran
away with it, right, Like, I.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Mean, they gave him, gave an opportunity late, and it was.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Run, run as fast as you can catch can't catch me.
I've been gingerbread, man. That's what it should have been.
Like you know the scene and Shrek where the guy
breaks his legs and like, that's that's kind of what
it was.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, they should have ran away with it, but they
didn't because they got their legs snapped out from un
of them. And still somehow we're able to hang on.
But I had a feel and the Rams were gonna
win this game, even though in our picks, I picked Buffalo.
After I did that, one of my buddies came up
to me. He's like, hey, Bills, money line, I lock
this guy online.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I follow him.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
He's saying it's a lock and I'm like, you know what,
that's kind of having me thinking, because everybody and their mother,
I think, was on Buffalo money. Yeah, especially after what
we just saw in the snow on National TV prime
time against the forty nine ers. That happens all the time.
All the money there about it being a by the
boom Rams do it. But the Rams, Wow, Matthew Stafford

(37:28):
still phenomenal. Kyon Williams great, every say it every week,
Poka Nakula, Cooper Cump, I mean, John, it's there. They
just seed again into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
They do that.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
They can make a run. They can make a run.
That's serious. That that is serious. They could honestly make
a run.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
They have four games left, three of them are against
division teams, so they still have a very good shot
of winning the division if they can win those games
and the other games against the Jets, So you know,
then tomorrow could very well be the hardest ponent they
have left. But they could also not be the hardest
ponent they have left, based on the way the Niners
have played lately. The Rams did beat them earlier this season.
It took a late comeback for that to happen, but

(38:15):
it did. Happen. So ultimately, I don't know what's gonna happen,
but I am pretty optimistic now, sitting there at seven
and six, coming off a win against the Bills. I mean,
how could you not be. But this is what makes
me more mad about losing games to the Dolphins or
losing games to the Bears. I mean, the Rams had
opportunities earlier this season to have a much better record
than they do now, and instead they're sitting there at

(38:37):
seven to six. Now, granted, they did have some injuries early,
so you can't count for all of that, but again,
I'm pretty happy coming out of this game, going into tomorrow,
pretty confident, even with the Niners favored in Santa Clara.
The other two games we had last week the final
two games of the week. The first was the Sunday
night game the Chiefs, once again, Randall found a way

(38:58):
to win it. It was a late, late win, as
they had the ball with zero with just a second
left when they called the final time out, Matthew Right
hit a thirty one yard field goal. He's the third
different kicker to have a walk off kick this year
for the Chiefs. And your favorite play, our favorite team
just keeps finding ways to win, Randall, So what were

(39:19):
your impressions of yet another Chiefs win to get them
to twelve and one.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
John, I'm tired of talking about it. I mean, you
text to be right away. He literally text to be
right away. I mean I had a buddy of mine.
He's a diehard Bills fan, but he appreciated the Patriots
in their dynasty run like he admired them right and
he goes, I need to hear this from a Patriots

(39:48):
fan because obviously the Patriots destroyed the Bills for this
kid growing up that on buddies with. But now as
he's older, that Chiefs have really the Bills are good
and the Chiefs keep knocking them down, knocking them down,
he asked me. He goes, tell me, Randall, were the
Patriots teams like this? Like did this ever happen? I go,

(40:10):
the Patriots teams did have some luck on their side,
But this is some different type of dark magic bullshit
that's going on and which craft that's going on.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
With the Kansas City Chiefs. John, you can't make it up.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
You can literally not make up what's going on with
the field goal blocks, with the missfield goals, with the
kicking the damn host and it goes in like.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
How I know, Yeah, it has been quite ridiculous to
see this run. And you've even turned me a little
bit here. And not to say that I think that
there's such reason for worry for the Kansasity Chiefs, but
I do think that at some point this ridiculous string
of luck has got to run out. I mean, earlier
in the year I was sitting there saying, you know,

(40:56):
wait for them to figure it out and then they'll
be really unstoppable. Because they really haven't figured it out yet,
and they're still still winning games. And quite frankly, they've
been better offensively, but not like much better. They they've
gotten things together a little bit. I think Kelsey's maybe
started to find a better groove than he had early
in the year, and Mahomes isn't turning it all over
quite as much. However, all that being said, I mean

(41:20):
they're still just kind of getting away with the last
second with these wins. And that's the part that if
you're a Chiefs fan, should scary because I've been waiting
all the year to say this is the a version
of the Chiefs. They're finally here Mahomes has finally showed up.
But yeah, it hasn't quite happened yet, and if it
doesn't happen soon, it may not happen. And you're not
gonna win these games in the playoff like this, at

(41:41):
least not against the good teams. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
But they're twelve and one, so we keep yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
And the thing is, John, you know, we say they're
not gonna win these games against the good teams, but watch, somehow,
some way.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
They probably will. That's what I'm saying. The Super Bowl,
it's like, and this is what and you, as a
Patriots fan, it's funny because you just mentioned this and
you were talking about your friend and whatever. But this
is exactly the same way it was with the Patriots.
Not all, hold on, let me finish my sentence, not

(42:15):
because of them barely winning games, but because people just
got so frustrated with the constant winning that they were
waiting forever for them to drop off a cliff. And
I think this is that, only it's different because the
Chiefs kind of look like they've started to fall off
the cliff a little bit. However, the wins are still there,
so it's like one of those weird things where like
they don't look as good at all, but yet they

(42:38):
continue to do what they need to do, and ultimately
you're probably right. We probably look up in two months
and they're playing in Super Bowl again. God yeah, alright,
God bless them, is right, God bless them. Pat Mahomes
all right. The Bengals Cowboys is the last game of
the week Randall on Monday Night Football, two teams that
are now five and eight after the Bengals were able

(42:58):
to win twenty seven to twenty. But this game was
twenty twenty with not much time left. The Bengals were
punting the ball lay to Dallas, and Dallas had one
of those rare plays where you make a great play
but it ends up to biting you back. So an
example of that could be, let's say, I don't know,

(43:19):
a defensive lineman making an interception and then suddenly he
fumbles because he's not used to carrying the ball and
somebody hits him from behind. Right, this situation was the
Cowboys blocked the punt. However, one of their gunners running
down the field decided that he was going to try
to field it off a bounce and it slipped right
through his hands, and once you block the punt and

(43:42):
you touch it again, it becomes the Bengals right to
recover the football because it becomes a muffed punt quote unquote,
And that's exactly what happened. The Bengals recovered it two
seconds later, and then they go literally three plays later
on the touchdown forty yards to Jamar Chase to win
the game. So were you more rise that the Cowboys
had the mishap year or that the Bengals found a

(44:04):
way to win this game despite how long, how lousy
of a season they've been having.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
They've been having a lousy season. Jamar Chase keeping people
alive in fantasy. I mean, if you have him and
Saquan on your team, all.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
The power to you.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
But I do want to say, as much as I
love the Bengals, I keep saying they're gonna make a playoffs,
gonna win.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Out, YadA, YadA, eight.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I don't know about that anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah they're not.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
But I wanted to see Cooper Rush win again and
just keep the winning streak going for him. I wanted
to see Dallas get six and eight kind of make
things more interesting because they have somewhat of an easy
schedule left, but.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
They did.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
If since he lost this game to Dallas, oh my god,
I don't even know what would have happened.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I mean, Higgins was m I A for the game, right, but.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Well, he was out there. I saw him. He was
just usually helping Jamar Chase back onto.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
His feet, picking him back up. But it was a
pointless game. It was fun to watch, fun if you
had money on it. Jamar Chase is exceptional. They're gonna
give this guy the bag. If they don't give him
the bag.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
They probably should have given him that contract before the
year that he was looking for, because now he's going
to get more money. To me, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Usually this is how it works, like teams don't pay
the guy the year before they have to. However, they're
gonna end up probably costing themselves a lot of money
by waiting a year because he's going to get a
ridiculous contract. I think he is the best player in
the league as far as receivers are concerned.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
It's Jeffrey It's it's it's the running back for Boise State.
A chante Jeffrey Man. It's it's the same thing. They
know he's gonna run the ball. They put eight in
the box to try to stop the run, and they can't.
He's still rushing for one hundred and fifty two hundred
yards a game. In this case, One you know Joe

(46:01):
Burrow's gonna throw it, but two, you know he's gonna
be throwing it to Jamar Chase basically every single time.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And yet what happens. He still finds a way. Yeah,
still finds a way to get open. And he does
as far since.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
And that duo has been lethal this year specifically even
though they're five and eight. So yeah, he'll get a
big contract. I'm sure this team will address their defensive
problems in the offseason. But boy oh boy, that offense
is fun to watch, and they did find a way
to beat Dallas, and again Dallas loses another home game.
It's been a really tough time for them all year,
but specifically inside that building.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, game that. I want to see an offense like
that in the playoffs, and we're not gonna see it.
They need defense, they need an offensive fly.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
All right, Randall, I think that about does it for
Week fourteen. So we are on now to Week fifteen.
And you know what that means. It's time to jump
right in with our first game of the night.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Oh, John, I love the games, but this one has
not been my favorite recently.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, I know, because it's time to play. Guess that spread?
All right, time to play guess that's spread. Randal has
been getting bodied this year, and guests, that's spread by yours. Truly,

(47:28):
I've been coming through with some late, late picks, most
of the time getting saved in the receiver round of
this thing. I don't know what's going on, but Randal,
let's play once again. Do you want to start or shall.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I let me start you on?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
That way, I can let you keep being the home
team and you can continue having a chance to win
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
At a buzz.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Okay, great, thanks, all right, what do you got.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Let's see here? Well, no, no, you come to me, John,
Oh that's what you mean.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Is you want me to give it to you first?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Okay, correct?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Perfect? So for pass give it to me. I'm going
to go with one of your favorites to watch.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
They're playing an interesting matchup down in Tennessee. It's the
Cincinnati Bengals and the Tennessee Titans and I'm not gonna
ask you for Will Levis this time. I want Joe
Burrows passing yard number.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Wow. I mean, this dude has done three straight games
over three hundred.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I'm gonna say, John, it's it's at least two seventy plus.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I'm gonna go with too eighty eight and a half.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Ooh, to seventy eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
But Nahla, I was gonna say to seventy five to
be safe, that's way too high.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
But you didn't see you get the.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, that was a rookie mistake. Thinking to eighty eight
was gonna be all nonsense. To seventy eight yes, wow. AnyWho,
let's go with another guy for you, John. He's a
warm weather quarterback playing on the road in a warm
weather environment, Miami at Houston.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Gimme Tua.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Ooh, alright, well two has been lighting it up lately.
This number is gonna be well over two hundred, I think,
but not maybe not quite as high as somebody like
Joe Burrow who was sitting in the two seventies against
Houston's defense this week. For Tua, I'm gonna say this
number is two forty and a half.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Who's seventy four and a half.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Wow, is wrong. It's right up there with Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Okay, you were close, job.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I see you. All right, Here we go, all right,
here we go. Speaking of that, I want you to
tell me the Cowboys rushing number for Rico Dowdle in
his game this week at Carolina.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
He's been coming on strong last several weeks.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
He has, but still I'm not confident it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Do you want to give me Cuba Hubbard instead?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
No, I'd rather give you this guy, Rico six, yeah,
fifty six and a half.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Man, you are well short. I'll give you one more
chance to rectify here because I'm a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Well short, well short, seventy nine and a half.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
All right, you get the point. It was eighty two
and a half.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
No, it doesn't count. John doesn't count. Don't give it
to me, but I'll claud you gave me a second chance.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I asked you if you wanted Cuba instead, because they
were one apart from each other. Rico is eighty two
and a half. Cuba is eighty one and a half.
Which is wild.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
That is honestly insane.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Is it not like or like they must just feel
like there's gonna be no defense played.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
In that game. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
That is also there are two running backs that take
up basically ninety percent of the backfield snaps for their team.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
But still, I mean, I know, wow, wow wow.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Alrighty, well, after that little tricky of a note, let's
go with Buffalo at Detroit.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Give me James Cook.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Oh okay, Bill, Yeah, so he didn't really have a
very good game against the Rams at all. He's been
kind of trending in a weird way. This is gonna
be an interesting game because there should be a lot
of points scored, kind of like the Bills and Rams
game the other day. I'm gonna respect the James Cook
is still gonna be somewhere around sixty let's say sixty

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one and a half.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
You're you're off, John, I'll give you. I'll give you another.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Guess how am I short or long?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
You're long, you're you're you're you're you're way long.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Forty eight and a half, exact exactly. It doesn't count, though,
because you gave me a second chance. M exactly. Dude,

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he couldn't even hear you doing the siren thing because
it was like not coming through the mic, right, but
I appreciate the I appreciate the celebration, even though it
doesn't count for anything.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
I'm sorry, we'll put an asterisk that no, it's not
even if I'm not counting yours, then we're not even
gonna acknowledge the fact that that was a second chance exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
So let's just move on, all right, all right, I
appreciate you sounding the alarm, though I think you were
just desperate to do it. So we haven't had one
all year. All right, I'm gonna go with the I'm
gonna stick it with the game that is near and
dear to your heart, because it is the Cardinals and

(53:17):
Patriots game this week. I'm gonna switch it up to
you a little bit though it's the Cardinals in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I want you to tell me how.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Many receiving yards do you think Trey McBride is in
line for here he's become basically their number one receiver.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
The Cardinals still should Ben Harrison, but what I'll.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Tell you that right now that the number is higher
than Marvin Harrison's. Woo.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Let's go with and a half.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
That's not quite that high. Sixty six and a half.
What you're funny? What is it sixty six and a half?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
What's Marvin Harrison fifty five and a half?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Fifty four and a half? Yeah, I know, I know.
All right, let's see if I can do it again.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
All right, John, backs against the ropes? What do you
do when everything's on the line? All right, John, here
we go. Let's go with your guy.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Cooper.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Oh you're San Fran Rams at San Fran, I'm giving
you a chance for a miracle with your own player.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It's I'm putting the ball in your court.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Well, if I don't get this one, that's pretty bad
because he's on my favorite team. I mean quite frankly,
Cooper Cup has taken a second second seat here to Pooka.
But I do feel pretty confident because I am often
the better Rams lines, and I've had a good amount

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of time, not this week, but this season looking at
not only Cooper Cup, but Pooka and cooler yards. I'm
gonna say the Cooper Cup's yards. They're playing San Francisco
and Thursday night football. It's gonna be sixty two and a.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Half, sixty nine and a half.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Oh, I was so close.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
What's Pooka? At what's pooka hat.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Pukah's gonna be at seventy seven and a half.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Eighty nine and a half.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Oh man, they're giving them both a lot more credit
than I'm giving them. All right, Well, that's the first
time in quite some time that I didn't pull out
one there at the end. In fact, I had at
least one pick correct randal each of the last ten
weeks in Guess that spread. So that brings a ten

(55:55):
week stretch to a close.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Oh you know, we could put an asterisk that to it, John,
if you want, I'm willing. We're not.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
We're not with the second chance thing is. But it
doesn't count towards anything because I gave you a second chance.
You got it, and it's not fair.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Okay, I'm not gonna say you.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I mean, the exactly thing is pretty random. But you
also were like, ah, you're high, and you're not too high.
So I was just like, all right, I'll go down
a little bit. Okay, But we got to keep the
integrity of Guess that spread.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
You know, I'm all about it. That does a bonus one,
a bonus one real quick, I do not, John, I
do not.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Okay, all right, Well then that doesn't for yes, spread
not extended edition, because we didn't do any extras, all right,
So that brings us now to hard locks, which has
not been my bread and butter this year. If if,

(56:59):
if that has been bread and butter, if guess that
spread has been good for me, this has been equally
as bad. I was one and two again this week,
which three straight one and two weeks. I think that's
five five out of the last six weeks that have
had a losing record, and so on. If you go
back to the beginning season, it's even worse. Randal was
two to one for the fourth straight week, fifth out

(57:20):
of the last sixth I think the seventh out of
the last nine or something like that, so you've been
on fire for a while on these. We did both
go seven to four and two in our overall picks,
which full transparency to our listeners, we've not done a
couple times this year, so you know, even though we
don't really publicize those anyway, Randald, I have forgotten to

(57:43):
make the picks a couple times, mostly my fault, but
we were the same on those this week again. Randall, however,
you have continued to dominate me on the hard locks
this season for which I have no answer. You're now
twenty three seventeen and sorry, twenty three to eighteen and one,
and I am now after another one in two weeks

(58:04):
seventeen twenty three and one. We have invert records of
one another.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Oh I like it? Yeah, I bet you do.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Actually it's not even invert because I am doing worse.
So yeah, seventeen twenty four and one. All right, Well,
that being said, let's get into week fifteen hard locks.
So do you want to go first here? Since you're
winning this all the time.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
What time is it? John? It's time four hard locks.
I love doing that one, John, that's one of my favorites. Alright, so.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It's starting off, John, Well, sit here, John, my first
hard lock of the week.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
He's going to be Cincinnati minus five on the road
at Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I know it seems like a small line for a
team that's on the road. They just covered in Dallas. Yes,
I have things going wrong, but they are the better team.
Tennessee lost to Jacksonville last week. Cincinnati still is hoping
to somehow make a miracle happen and went out. Give
me since the minus five.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's a good pick. I like Cincinnati. I was eyeing
them down myself, but I do think that's a good
one for you to take here. I'm going to go
ahead and start off hard locks by taking the Denver
Broncos at home. They are four point favorites against the
Indianapolis Colts. I just like what they've done this year.

(59:40):
Boneck specifically has played a lot better than I think
people expected him to play. You know, We've given him
his credit that he deserves at different times throughout the year.
But I certainly think that a game against the Colts
at home, they should be favored by four points, and
I think that they will win this game by a
touchdown or so. So I feel pretty comfortable taking Denver
here this week in this spot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I like that John Grip pick. Well, John, we're gonna
keep it going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
I mean, we got the Dodo Bowl coming up right
here between the Jets and the Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
The Jets are on the do not bet list. You
got Matt Jones who's on the do notp bet list
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So now what we're gonna do. We're just gonna skip
that game. I'm not even gonna bet that game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Oh that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I'm sorry, I had to do it. We're gonna go
with for the next game. John, give me Baltimore minus sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Get out of Jackets, Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Let the Jets game Baltimore minus sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I was just looking at that, like that is ridiculous.
You could buy the Giants up to like plus twenty
two probably for like minus two something, which is just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Well, no, you could. You could.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
You could get the Giants with the plus thirteen. You
can get them. You could get them alternate spread to
plus twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, I mean, that's just stupid. They're plus nine hundred
on the money line. But yeah, minus sixteen, that is
quite the hefty spread for you to take, my friend,
But more power to you. I was looking at it
and I was gonna avoid it, and I'm glad you
took the bullet for both of us. I'm gonna go
with another home team here, and I'm sorry to say Ran,
I'm gonna go against your Patriots this week and pick

(01:01:27):
the Arizona Cardinals minus six. I know it's kind of
a big number for them, just because they have not
been all that consistent lately. However, I do think they're
a better team than New England, and I think this
is a spot for Arizona to kind of get their
bearing straight again and get right spot, if you will.
It's not that the Patriots have been playing ball bed
ball all around. They're definitely playing a little bit better

(01:01:48):
in my opinion than last year, and maybe that's just
because the quarterback has played better. But overall, I just
don't know that Gerrod Mayo is the guy for the
job here, and I think a trip out west will
be tough. So give me the Cardinals minus six this week.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I respect it, John, And you know, just because you
picked against my team doesn't mean what I'm about to
do is any personal to you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Give me san Fran minus three. The Rams got lucky
last week with the wins.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Did you know the game?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Did you watch what Rock Party did go the Bears?
Did you see that three hundred yards three touchdowns?

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
My man looked crisp and clean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
They can put anybody in that running back and that
kid's gonna be someone's gonna be successful.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Give me san Fran minus three against the Rams. San
Fran is gonna sneak into the playoffs. Mark my words,
you are a bastard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Let me tell you. I'm gonna take the team that
the Rams just played. In an interesting spot here, the
Bills are playing the Lions. It's another one of those
weird four to twenty five games with two really good teams.
Kind of like we just saw the Bills and see
what I did there. Yeah, So the the Bills are

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plus two and a half here right now. I just
feel like this game is kind of going to be
what the game against the Rams was not. They're going
to catch a Lions team here that's twelve and one
that is kind of due for a loss, I think
at some point here. And I just feel like Josh
Allen is not going to lose two games in a row,

(01:03:26):
especially you know, I know they're both on the road,
but I just feel like he's had too good of
a season. You know, he was responsible for six touchdowns
this game against the Rams. So I just feel like
Josh Allen will find a way to not lose two
straight games here, even though they're both in the road.
So give me the Bills plus two and a half.
Doug Alert.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
And that does at four hard locks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Hard locks, man, we gotta get you a mic, dude,
can't I feel like these sounds you may we're missing
out on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it. Maybe Santa
is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Didn't you already get a mike you just never used.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, I gotta find one for the car.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah yeah, all right, Well that's uh, that's almost the
end here, we're right at the end. Guess that word
is all that we're guess that word. The word of
the day is all that we have left, Randall. And
last week I finally didn't have one. I mean it
was two weeks in a row. Now I didn't have one.
Last week. You really fooled me with your last second

(01:04:33):
attempt to throw me off, and it worked. So this
week I'm gonna let you go ahead and do your thing,
but I'm trying to get back in the wind calm
for the first time a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Well, John, I get a word or phrase, you gotta
guess it, John, Well, it's done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Well all right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Well, earlier in the episode you said something like, uh,
whereas it I wrote it down. Run run as fast
as you can. You can't catch me. I'm the gingerbread man.
Tell me I'm right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Let's find out. Run run, run as fas as you
can catch me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Because yes, back to basics. You're back to just throwing,
back to just throwing out a random thing in the
middle of nowhere and for easy for me to guess perfect.
I'm glad you gave up your your harder tactic after
just one week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
John. Just just know next week is gonna be a doozy.
I'm already playing into my head, you say, so, all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Right, Well, do you have anything else you want to
talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
No, John, I think we covered it all. We covered
all football topics that we need to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Did we You want anything else about Bill Belichick or.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Anything He's gonna make a great head coach?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
How could you possibly know that? All right, well, then
that brings us to the end of the episode. Randall,
it's great to chat with you. We've got next week
before Christmas. Christmas is on a Wednesday this year, so
we might be bringing y'all a little treat that week
because there's games on Wednesday this year, So next week
will be normal schedule. The week after we'll get a

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little bit interesting. But we'll make it happen, Randal, because
we always do it. We're the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
We make miracles happen. To call us the mail man,
because we always deliver. John. That's right, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Right, all right, well, thanks for listening, Randall, go ahead
and finish it off as always.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Goodbye, good friends, goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
This was the John in Randall Show for both experience.
All right, well, shoot you run as fast as you
can end because the rams aren't making the playoffs, making playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
You know, the muffin man, the one

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Who loves a dreary lif