Season 3 Episode 22: More Coaching Hires, Divisional Round Recap, & A Look Ahead to Championships

On this episode, John and Randall start off with a long version of Quick Hits, discussing all of the coaching hires that have gone down since last week. They also recap the 4 Divisional Round games and John mourns the Rams season. Then they turn their attention to the Conference Championship matchups with a new spin on Guess that Spread! Finally, the fellas make their picks during Hard Locks for the games!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What is going on? Everybody? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to
another episode of the John Randall Football Experience. My name
is John Avino, and with me, as always, is Randal
Minogue Randall. We got some snow on the ground up here.
It's been pretty cold. I saw some snowstorms happen in Florida,
but I don't think they're happening in Miami where you

(00:41):
are in that.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Area, right, John, They were not.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
However, I will say the other day it did. I
mean this morning when I was playing softball, John, of
is forty five.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Degrees outside, so it was. Yeah, it was chilly. I'm
not used to it.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
But two days ago it was in the forties at night,
and the way it was missing.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
A little bit, the way the.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Clouds were gray, it honestly felt like it was gonna snow.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
And it felt like it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I was up in New England, so I felt right
at home and I hated every bit of it.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Did you have to break Did you have to break
out the under armour today for your softball?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Man? Oh? Yeah, I've been.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I've been bringing out the under armour John for the
past like two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Down here.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's honestly been really chilly. I even bring out the
scheme mask man. That's that's how that's how cold I've
been getting accustomed to this warm weather down here.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, you've become really soft getting down there, because you
wouldn't survive these winters up here like you used to
do it when you were in school up here.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So, John, I have a poor blood flow to my extremities.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
So I don't even know how I was able to
last that long up in Worcestern.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, I don't know how you were either. But the
good news is that we've got some football talk about here, Randall,
as we always do, no matter what the weather looks
like out there. We won't have football to talk about
for forever, like I just implied, but we do have
it for a few more weeks here. And this past
week we got some good championship football, although it wasn't
the championship round here, I should say divisional football. And

(02:17):
we're getting ready for what should be an exciting championship weekend.
But the four games this past weekend we'll talk about
here in a few minutes. But Randal, why don't we start,
as we always do, with quick hits, Hits, quick hits,
is brought to you by Randall. Okay, so quick, hits Randall.

(02:38):
We had more coaching news this week, and I want
to start again with the Patriots because the last episode
that we did, we started with the Patriots and Mike Rabel.
But now there's been more news. Josh McDaniels, as we've
speculated could happen, is now happening. He's back in New England.
He'll be the offensive coordinator. You know, he was obviously
there the first year with Mac Jones. He was there

(03:00):
for Tom Brady for most of his career, and he's
had a lot of success in this specific role with
this specific team, and now this is what Patriots fans
are hoping that he can become that guy for Drake
may So, how are you feeling about this, because I
know this is something that you had been talking about
that we were all kind of hoping would happen, even
myself as a non Patriots fan. But what is your reaction?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
John?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I'm happy about the move, you know, I feel like
there's been so much anticipation coming with it that well,
by the time it happened, like all the hype, all
the excitement, it was just kind of like, yeah, you know,
this is what we were expecting, right, Like, we were
expecting for them to hire him, right that, because that's

(03:45):
what the rumors have been for the past lord knows
how many months or weeks I should say, really right, right?
And then when you listen to ninety eight point five
the sports saw obviously in Boston, you know, they're they're
senecala on everything, right, They're like, oh, this.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Was the easy it was a cop bound, easy move.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
They didn't even bother looking to find the next young
great thing.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's like and I'm like, I get that, Like, yeah,
you want the.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Young great, young next thing, but you do know what
Josh McDaniels brings to the table. You know exactly what
he can do in an offensive coordinator role, So why
does it have to be some young next thing. Josh
McDaniels is one hundred percent capable of resurrecting this offense,

(04:36):
and I'm very excited to see what he can do
with Drake May. I think that between him and Vrabel,
they're gonna get along well. I think they're gonna bring
this New England Patriots team back. There's excitement for me
as a fan. Now this is what New England needed.
If they got anybody else, I don't care if it

(04:57):
was supposedly some young hot shot which I don't even
know who would have been. This is the direction they
needed to go.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, I think it's important to keep everything in context here.
You know, if they'd hired McDaniels to be the head coach,
then you could certainly see why people would maybe be
upset with this, But they didn't. They brought him back
to be an offensive coordinator in a role where he's
had a lot of success in an organization where he's
had a lot of success. By the way, it's still
the same owners. They probably adore him. I know they

(05:29):
adore him because he's been here multiple times under Bill
Belichick and working with Tom Braid all these years. He's
been a part of many of the championships. Was he
part of all six of those? I don't know if
he was on the staff for all six or not,
but he's been a part of a lot of championships
for the Patriots and a lot of championship level football.
So why not bring a guy back who's had success
in this role. And anybody who says, oh, they should

(05:51):
go with something new, I would argue that you know,
it's kind of like the devil you know versus the
devil you don't know. He has worked out in this
role before, so if you bring somebody that you don't
know anything about, there's no guarantee that that's gonna work.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
But it's also, like you just said, you know exactly,
he actually has a proven track record as an offensive
coordinator as a head coach. Forget about it that, like
you just said, you're not hiring for that. You're hiring
for him for something that he's been great at every
single time. And I think the biggest piece is look

(06:28):
at what mac Jones was with him, yeap.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That that I think is the.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Biggest selling point, right, Like, how how is that not
the biggest selling point at look at mac Jones with
him and without him, night and day difference.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, and with one of the worst quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah. Because the Tom Brady thing, I understand if you'd
be a little bit undersold on it because it's you know,
he's Tom Brady. But he was a big part of
helping bring the championship level football to that offense and
install a lot of the good game plans they had offensively,
and like you said, his year with mac Jones was
better than anybody else's years with mac Jones have been since.

(07:08):
Speaking of offensive coordinators, you have the whole Liam Cohne
situation here with the Jaguars and the Buccaneers. He was,
of course the Buccaneers offensive coordinator this last year. It's
been an interesting ride for him because he's been kind
of all over the place the last several years. It
started with the Rams. Actually, you know, he had multiple
roles with them, starting as the quarterback coach, and then

(07:31):
he goes to Kentucky for a year. He comes back
to the NFL to be the Rams offensive coordinator or
another or maybe he wasn't just an assistant for them,
and then he goes to the Bucks the offensive coordinator job,
and then it seemed like he was going to get
extended and be with the Bucks here and maybe even
become the highest paid offensive coordinator. But he had already
met with the Jaguars, to my understanding, told them no.

(07:53):
And then they fired Trent Balky, who was their GM
for several years, who had had, you know, multiple failed
hires at head coach at that position, and not very
great drafts either, And once they fired him, apparently Liam
Cohne became more interested in the job again Randall, and
he took a secret meeting with the Jaguars, unbeknownst to

(08:15):
the Buccaneers who were expecting him to take this extension
with them. It came out I think two days ago
the Buccaneers could not locate him. They were trying to get,
you know, get have him, called him back and he
was not answering the phone. And then it came out
that he agreed to become the Jaguars head coach. This
really weird situation took place here with Liam Cohne. But
I guess I'm asking you here because this guy's had

(08:37):
such a weird careers in bouncing all over the place.
But he did work in this offense with Baker Mayfield
this past year. So you expect this to be a
good hire for the Jaguars, given you know their quarterback
situation with Trevor Lawrence. Do you think he could be
a good coach for Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I thought that the past head coach was going to
be a good head coach, Doug Pearson for Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, Yeah, So I was wrong on that one.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I'll admit that I thought once they hired Dug Peterson,
like this guy, he's gonna be a great fit.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Well, he was better than Urban Meyer.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Anybody was at that point, right, Yeah, So I'm it's
it's tough to tell, but what I can tell is
he did make Baker Mayfield have a great season with
Mike Evans being out for a couple of games, Chris
Godwin being out for more than half the season. I mean,

(09:34):
so he was able to create a scheme on offense
to obviously make him win, help them win the division.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And Baker had a fantastic year. But he's not doing
that alone.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
If this guy is in given great play calls, you know,
so true.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, you could make the argument that Baker, you know,
because Dave Canal's get hired as the Panthers coach after
a year with Baker Mayfield. So you you can make
the argument that maybe it has something to do with
Baker Mayfield. But to your point, the play calls still
have to be there, and Baker Mayfield made a lot
of plays happen this year with his legs. He's a
tough guy. He was able to put his head down
and kind of motivate his team a few times, but

(10:13):
there was still a lot of really good play designs
and he got guys like Jalen McMillan involved. Sterling Shepard
became a factor again within the passing game when those
guys that you just mentioned were out. So I agree,
you know, you still have to have a guy that's
competent and good at coaching and calling plays to be
able to execute an offense. But I just worry about

(10:33):
his you know, if you're gonna be that wishy washy
with the team and not get back to them and
be that kind of guy, like, I don't know what
kind of leader you're gonna be for a team. So
hopefully this is just one of those things where you know,
he's a younger dude and he maybe just made a
mistake in the way he went about handling it. But
I don't know. I think the Jaguars need some sort
of stability here, and it's kind of surprising that they

(10:55):
went with a guy who's had this kind of track
record rather than a maybe more scout ablish guy or
guy with some experience.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know, I mean that that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I mean, how do you have anybody with experience right
like that has head coaching experience, We're gonna say, and
you can't. You can't see me as I'm doing quotes
on it. Yeah, I cut myself up. Anyone with experience

(11:25):
that's on the market, what does that mean? They got
fired from their job, right like anybody, which means did
they have that great of a.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Ten years somewhere?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
And obviously there was a couple of coaches out there,
you know, Rabel was one of them that was highly
sought after in the sense of he had had a
couple of good seasons with Tennessee, then they fell off,
and then you had Pete Carroll again winning coach before.
But other than that, who who really had a proven

(11:57):
track record as a head coach.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
You know, eventually you're gonna have to bring in a rookie.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
You know. It's no, it's true, and and that's what
everybody says, you know, So I and I get that,
you know, I want experience. That's what we just said
with New England and hiring Josh McDaniels, right like, I
want we know what this guy can do? Yeah, so
but do we know we don't. We know obviously know
what he's gonna do. But what we just saw with

(12:24):
him running the offense in Tampa.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It looks pretty good.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, let's bounce around these a couple other jobs
that were hired Aaron to the Jets. He's a former Jet.
He was the Lions defensive coordinator. Uh do you think
he's a good hire for the Jets? Is a guy
who who played for them back in the day and now, uh,
you know, was a defensive mind for this Lions successful team.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Nope, No you don't think so. Nope, I do not.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
I I really think, I really think they should have
with an offensive guy, like they're gonna get something then
movement on the offensive side.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I get it. You just had a you just had
multiple defensive head coaches.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Get something new in there, Ryan, I, Karen Glad.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Maybe he's what the Jets need.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I don't know, obviously, I'm not sitting in there during
the interview meetings, but I honestly thought the move was
for them to go with somebody on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well, I think they're gonna need to hire a strong
offensive mind obviously, because yeah, he's a defensive minded guy.
But I do think it's important to keep things in
context here and what I said about him being a
Jet in his career I think is incredibly important because
this is a job that can be very what's the
word I'm looking for. Uh, you know, it has a

(13:47):
lot of pressure on it and you have to kind
of want it, especially given where they are right now.
It's not the most attractive job. I mean, Vrabel interviewed
for it, but it became pretty clear right away that
if the Patriots job is open, that's where he wanted
to go and prefer to go. But like, this had
to be a job that somebody who came into wanted
to be there. I think Aaron Glenn wants to be

(14:07):
there now. He is gonna have to hire a strong
offensive mind. But you're right. I mean they hire a
lot of defensive coaches and they alwayn't always work out.
You had Robert Salo, who by the way, just got
rehired by the forty nine ers as their defensive coordinator,
but he was a defensive mind, and they had Todd
Bowles at one point. Adam Gase was offensive who they had,
but you remember Rex Ryan They so they have had

(14:27):
a ton of defensive minded coaches. I guess we'll see
if Aaron Glenn works out here. It's gonna be interesting
to see too if he wants Aaron Rodgers to be backed,
and if Rogers wants to play, and whoever they end
up hiring offensively as an offensive coordinator wants Rogers back,
So that that whole saga is gonna be very interesting
to follow as well.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, the real saga that's gonna be interesting to follow,
john is the Detroit Lions situation.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Right, you just.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Lost your offensive coordinator and your defensive coordinator in the
same offseason.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Man, Like, how often does that happen?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, that's a great lead into Ben Johnson, who took
a job in the division Randle with the Bears. He said,
Caleb Williams is a big part of the reason why
he took the job. He feels like there could be
some untapped potential there and if there's a guy who's
had a great offensive mind to maybe get the job done,
it could be him. But I also look at the
Lions game that they got eliminated this past weekend, which

(15:22):
we're gonna talk about here in a few minutes, and
some of the mistakes they made in that game were
on the offensive and defensive play calling. I mean, at
the end of the game, they had a twelve men
on the field penalty? How does that happen to your defense?
If you're Aaron Glenn. In the fourth quarter, they had
a play call where Jamison Williams was throwing a ball
when they're down by ten points. That's your offensive play calling.

(15:42):
So these two guys, while they had great seasons and
great careers with the Lions, also in some ways costs
them their playoff game and now both got head coaching jobs.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, in terms of the play call on the offensive side,
with Jamison Williams throwing the ball, that, like you said,
shouldn't have happened, or it should have been reiterated, Hey,
if he's not open, do not throw it, like really
hammered that into his head.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
On the defensive side.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
With Eron Glenn the twelve man on the thing, everybody
was shouting, there's twelve men, there's twelve men.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Why are you not calling time out?

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I feel going a touchdown is a big difference in
that situation, right, But you also go from losing that game,
as Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn depressed, to now you
just got.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Your dream job.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You've gotten to where you've always wanted to be in
your entire career.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So it's like I'm depressed, up, I'm happy again. Maybe
let's go.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
You know, I don't got to wait all year to
the start of the season to try to get redemption.
I got it right now, which which is cool for them.
Dan Cabill just soaking like this is just pooring, Like
it's just adding extra whipped creams and cherries on top.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
For Dan Campbell in his sadness, probably.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I'm sure it's like the icing on top, you know.
But for Ben Johnson, he's now in the division, so
he'll face the Lions twice per year as well. It's
gonna be interesting. He talked a lot about in his
press conference, you know, building an offense about around Caleb Williams,
so I think that there's some potential there. You also

(17:32):
had Brian Schottenheimer getting hired by the Cowboys, which I
thought was kind of surprising. They are a team that
you figured maybe go after big fish, you know, you
heard the rumors about Dion Sanders and whatnot, but obviously
that didn't come to fruition. He was their offensive coordinator,
so within the organization promotion. After Mike McCarthy walks away

(17:52):
from his contract with the Cowboys, So Schottenheim or hired.
Is that one kind of surprise you.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Randall it, It did a little bit, John, What what
was surprised.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
What was surprising with it is.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
That seemed like the easy way out right, like in
a sense for Jerry Jones and his family, So that
way they knew they could bully somebody. Hey, let's get
this guy promoted the head coach. He's just gonna do
whatever we say, right. And one of my buddies is
a Cowboys fan, poor guy and tough.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, you don't. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
But I asked him, I go, are you happy with
this call? Do you like this decision? He said absolutely not.
He's like, I wanted somebody stern. I wanted somebody that
was that's able to lay down the law and you know,
not just follow Jerry Jones. Whatever he says goes type

(18:58):
of thing, you know. And he's like, the last time
we had that was really like a Bill Parcells guy,
you know. And I'm like, that makes sense. I understand
why you would feel that way.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean you're kind of right in the way
that you say, like it's it's just a pawn for
the for the owners. It's not a guy that's gonna
push back at all. Like let's say they went after
Dion Sanders or even Bill Belichick or something like that.
It would have been kind of crazy to see that
the power dynamic because you're bringing a guy along who's
getting his first head coaching job, and obviously, the schottenheim

(19:32):
Er name is a big name in the NFL, with
Marty his father being a coach prior in all those
years in the NFL and all the success and obviously
near and dear to me as well for many reasons.
But the point I'm getting at here is that Brian
Schottneber can very well turn into a great coach, but
you could still have influence as he is a first

(19:55):
time head coach, whereas if you're hiring a Bill Belichick
he immediately comes in, or even a Pete Carroll, let's say,
because that's more realistic, since he just took a job
that we're going to talk about after this real quick,
he was the last guy we have to talk about.
But yeah, I mean, you're right, they're going to be
able to kind of use him and control him and
keep the narrative what they want. So it's gonna be

(20:16):
interesting to see how that works out for the Cowboys,
because I think a lot of their fans would have
expected maybe a more splashy higher but it didn't end
up happening. And I think this is kind of the
new age Cowboys. It's not Jerry making all these crazy
decisions anymore. It's still his influence for sure, but his
son certainly has a little bit more influence and makes
a little bit more rational decisions sometimes.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, I think one it's safe to say now that
does look like Bill Belichick is going to be staying
in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Now, yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Takes the Saints job because that's the only other job
left now, I think, which I don't think that's happening.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, that doesn't seem like it.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
But I think the Cowboys just, honestly, they just they wasted.
They're they're they're looking to waste a year or two.
Maybe there's somebody else they have their eye on, and
they're just using Brian Seanheimer as a scapegoat for the
next year or two.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
That way they can maybe get some good draft picks.
I'm sure he got.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm sure he got probably a four year contract. And
the way they just handled it with with uh, you know,
with what's his name, Uh, Mike McCarthy was his contract
ran out and they let him walk away.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
So I'm also reading it.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, but since when their contracts actually contracts, right, like,
well they don't want you after the year, they'll say, yes, uh,
we'll pay you still, but we're we're going a different direction.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, they And that's what happens is they do have
to pay you. And I guess right now the Cowboys
aren't on the hook for any other coaches since they
McCarthy contract ended, So if they did walk away, conceivably
they would only have one other coach on the payroll.
All right, but let's talk about the last guy that
was hired in this cycle before. I mean, the Saints
still haven't hired coach, as we said. Uh. Part of

(22:00):
that I think was they had to delay some of
their interviews due to the ice storms down there in
New Orleans. But the Raiders hired Pete Carroll. So one
year out he retired from the Seahawks, you know, that
kind of mutual walking away. I think he was probably
going to get fired. They let him walk away and resign.
He has been I guess a special advisor at USC
and also teaching classes at USC, so he wanted to

(22:24):
be close to there with the report was because there
were a couple of the teams that were interested, but
the Raiders became interested, and he's a little bit closer
than he would have been able to be at other places.
So I think he's finishing the year out as a
teacher at USC, but he's also now going to be
the Raiders coach. So he's now the oldest coach in
NFL history, it's seventy three years old. Do you think

(22:46):
this is a good move for the Raiders? Do you
feel like Pete Carroll can come in at this age
and bring them a little bit of stability.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I was honestly shocked with this hire. John.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
This one caught me off guard as well, just like
the Ryan Schottenheimer one did.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I see those two for last you know.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean I think this is the best guy.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I think he Pete Carroll is kind of maybe more
that that Stern guy too. We were just talking about, like, hey,
like he's gonna be coming in. He's gonna he knows
what he needs to do and turn this ship around.
Tom Brady was obviously a part of the higher end process,
and so he must have liked, really like what Pete

(23:30):
Carroll had to say to try to make this ship
a victory.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I think, uh, you know, I think Pete Carroll
must he still feels really youthful for a seventy three
year old compared to some other guys, because you see
him out there on the field and he's throwing the
ball around pregame, and just two years ago with the Seahawks,
he still seemed like that guy. So I feel like,
you know, he could go in there and hopefully it's
probably not a long term plan here, but maybe over

(23:59):
the next three four five years he can help them
get back to contention and maybe mold a guy who's
on the staff to become the heir apparent. But you know,
this is what you kind of expected the Raiders to do,
for them to go after a guy that people have
heard about before they hire a big name here with him.
So Pete Carroll, I think there's more pressure now on
the Raiders to kind of turn this thing around quicker

(24:20):
because he's the kind of guy who, again, he's not
gonna be there forever. So if you're looking for a
way to quickly improve your lot. You hire a guy
who has, you know, the ability to do that. But
also it puts a little added pressure on you. You're
not gonna get the the grace period maybe from the
fan base as much because you're there's a little added
pressure to kind of get things done quicker.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Now.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
So we'll see, we'll see what they do. But I'm
interested to see kind of how he comes back into
the league after a year away at his age.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, but I think like this is one of those
moves where.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
It can excite the fans, excite, excite the guys in
the locker room. Right, just you may this is this
is a pro higher, right, this is the guy proven
sock record of success. You know what, you kind of
know what you're gonna get with them, Okay with this.
This is a veteran, a veteran in the locker room.
You know, he's been around for such a long period

(25:15):
of time. Where so this this was a good hire
for them.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Speaking of long period of time, that was our longest
quick hits of the season, Randall, woah, but we did it.
We went around and talked about every coaching higher that
anybody could possibly expect us to talk about. So we'll
talk maybe about the Saints next week, if they decide

(25:40):
to hire a coach at any point. All right, Randal,
let's move into our recap of last week's games. There
were only four of them, so it won't take us
too too long to get through these. But you know,
we'll start with the Texans chief games, which from the
get go was kind of a slugfest of sort of.
It's in the first quarter or two. It was only

(26:02):
a thirteen to six game at halftime, and then it
was thirteen twelve after the third quarter, and then in
the fourth quarter you had the Chiefs kind of get
up big, and that was it.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
No, no, no, no, no, no, you're not telling the
story the right way, John. I thought of your first
I thought the first three quarters. Okay, very well, I
respect that fourth quarter the Zebras stepped in, John, that Zebras.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Were on the field, all right, Okay, it was horrendous.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Discuss I was getting there, I was getting there.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh man, I can't, I can't with it. I can't.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, I'm getting mad about this because I just
the way the Chiefs have played all season long is oh.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
My man, Oh John, you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Literally so just they get me so angry. You know,
I'm in my car right now, and I have this saying,
don't when when you're in a mood, just shake your
bood you know, shake your boody. And I wish I'm
doing that right now. I gotta calm down, because when
I shake my boody, it comes me down.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
All right, John, you have you say that to yourself?
Of course, of course a guy, you got to I
get up. I get too.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Upset about this, all right, all right, all right, I
just recalibrate for me. Dang, I just shook. I just
shook you. So I'm good now. But I think John,
that sometimes these refs step in in situations they have
no business stepping in on some of the holding calls
that were made on the defensive side, some of the.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
The rough in the passers or what that's.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
The really that's the really bad part. I think there's
sple I think there's a simple fix for this. I
think they just need to be able to review these penalties,
even if it's you know, I don't know, it would
have to be a challenge. You could probably do it
in real time. But if you can tell me that
a guy didn't catch the ball, and we can review
a spot, you know what I mean, Why can't we
review these penalties in real time?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
And and John, we see it all the time sometimes,
like how they are able to review some of these
plays up in the booth really quick and then they
just relay it down down down below to the field.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't understand why you can't be doing this for
other play calls like that like that, like especially the
one where Patrick Mahomes slid and then the two Texas
defenders hit themselves.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
They didn't even touch the man upstairs.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, well he also you know, they we've talked or
we haven't talked, but I've heard it been talked about
that maybe they can do some sort of embellishment penalty,
like if Mahomes, you know, if he gets caught slowing
down to draw the penalty, the late hit penalty, then
they can pick up a flag throw one on Mahomes instead,

(29:02):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, they had They did this in the NBA for
the flopping. It's gonna this one's gonna be called the
Mahomes rule happen.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Because but maybe we get to a point where they're
reviewing especially the pass the roughly the passer or the
unnecessary roughness calls. I mean, you also we could make
the argument that there's the reverse call that you could
have called on Jared Goff when he got hit hard
in the second game on Saturday, because that probably should
have been a penalty based on the position he plays
and the rules the way it's written, you can't be

(29:33):
hit the way he was hit, even on an interception
return like that, So it still would have been Washington ball,
but it wouldn't have been a pick six. And of course,
if you watch that game, which we'll talk about here
in a few minutes, but it seemed like he came
back in he was concussed, which is not not a
good thing for the NFL. But uh, you know, he
looked a little bit woozy there in the second half.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
But yeah, I mean, the Chiefs they're in another AFC
Championship game randal. Whether you like it or not, they
continue to play these weird games. This one was a
little bit more decisive, even though, like you said, they
had some help from the refs and at the end
of the game they took the safety to make it
a nine point game, which certainly, uh probably helped some
people but also could have hurting others. If you had

(30:17):
the nine and a half spread that it was at
one point and you had Chiefs minus nine and a half,
you were not happy to see the uh the safety there.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I think that I think John, most people kind of
We did our picks the day before, right, so pretty close.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
As close as you think it would be.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Even though you were complaining to me about how we
have to do them. Yeah, job, I hate when we
picked the games early.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
We literally say, I'm just saying, had we gotten the
line when it closed, I would have won, you know,
and I would have been this.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Is how it works, Like I get it. But I'm
just saying Saturday. So we're doing our show on Saturday for.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
This reason exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
But most people put their bets in right before, in
the morning of right before game time.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Right. So But what I'm.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Saying is I think that moved hurt more people than
it definitely helped people, because I think majority of the
people did have the line at nine and a half,
right and you're watching what the heck is going on?
There were definitely people throwing things out of TV, throwing phones.

(31:26):
Without a doubt in my mind, I mean that that
is just some tom foolery, John.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Is it not?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I think it is. I think it is. God. You're
throwing a lot of words at me today. I'm trying
to figure this out. I'm trying to record all of
these because you're throwing a lot of potential word of
the days at me. So this is gonna be a
tough one today. Let's move on to this second game.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Huh, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are you surprised that the Washington Commanders were able to
go in and lay forty five points in the Lions
in route to a win and an advancement to the
Conference championship game?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And no, I mean I did pick them. You picked
them to cover right, we've both been.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Since the beginning of the season in that division.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yes, I mean, hey, plus a thousand and win the division.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I should have put some money on them to go
to the conference championship game. My goodness, gracious. But John,
the big the big picture is we knew the Detroit
defense was banged up to say the least, right, and
Jane and Daniels has been playing well this upcoming week.
That's gonna be a different story. But I was more

(32:40):
confident if there was gonna be an upset. I actually
thought the upset was gonna be more so this game,
which ended up being than it was gonna be the
Kansas City in Houston.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, well, I you know, I didn't know what to
expect from Washington quite frankly going in because I knew
they've had a great year. But if you look at
Jade daniels numbers this season compared to pretty much any
other rookie quarterback who's gotten this deep in the playoffs before,
it's pretty remarkable how good he is compared to some
of them. I mean, you look at like Brock Purdy
from a few years ago. I think Ben Roethlisberger was

(33:18):
one of them that went to this deep. Maybe there's
one or two more that I'm missing, but I was
looking at the other day and Jane Daniels has had
maybe the best rookie quarterback season of all time when
he rap factor in his rushing yards as well. But
the fact that they were able to go on the
road to Detroit to a team that everybody was picking

(33:38):
to go to at least the NFC Title Game, if
not the Super Bowl. You know, everybody, I think a
lot of people assumed coming in this year that it
was going to be forty nine Ers and Lions that
would be the two favorites in the NFC. And obviously
we know what happened to forty nine ers, a ton
of injuries, McCaffrey out basically the whole year. The Lions
had the good year, they were fifteen and two, they
had the buy but they get to this game they

(34:01):
obviously don't put up what they need to. And we
were talking about the play calling a little while ago
when we were talking about Ben Johnson Aaron Glenn, and
it wasn't their best moment, certainly because we had, like
I just said, the penalty with the twelve men on
the field, which of course you did say, and we
could both say Dan Campbell should have called the time
out there. But also some of these offensive play calls
were just kind of silly. You know, four different people

(34:23):
through passes in this game for the Lions. Part of
that was that Teddy Bridgewater had to come in for
a few plays for Jared Goff and they actually scored
a touchdown when he was in the game, but it
was also David Montgomery who threw a pass, and then
you had James and Williams thow the interception, and it
isn't lost on me. As I mentioned a few minutes
ago as well that Jared Goff threw three picks in

(34:44):
this game, and when he took that hit at the
end of the first half, there's no doubt in my
mind that he was some sort of concussed, because whether
he passed the concussion protocol or not is one thing,
because I think you could probably pass it even with
a cushion. But he was certainly not making, you know,
great throws and did not look nearly as sharp as

(35:07):
he's looked for a lot of this year in that
second half the game.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, No, there was definitely something going on up there,
and there was no way they were not gonna let
him come back in.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
You know, we other somebody and I get it.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
It's it's independent, but I don't think they wanted to
be the one saying, yeah, Jared Goff can't go back
in in a huge playoff game like this. The NFL
wants their stars playing. He's one of their stars, right,
So that's that's kind of where I feel like it
could have been going on their decision to let him play,

(35:42):
because when you watch the replay of it, he got
smoked up high. Yeah, that it should have been a
penalty one hundred. It should have been a penalty, right,
but it wasn't. And you know that's that's something that
could be just such a quick way thing upstairs to see.

(36:02):
But it's a shame that the season ended this way
for Detroit. But the Cinderella story continues for Jayden Daniels
a Company, because I mean, this dude has a clutch gene.
John This guy and a lot of games has come
back in the fourth quarter, come back in two minute
drives and let them down the.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Field, and he looks so calm and cool and collected
when he's doing it too. I mean, I don't know
if you heard Tom Brady this week. I think he
was on his podcast that he does with what's that
guy's name, He does it with Jim Gray, and he
said something to the effective some guys just have the poise,
you know, and they feel like the moment's not too
big for them. Other guys look at the challenge and

(36:44):
say it's gonna be really tough. We have to go
out and do this and execute, and other guys just
look at it and say, this is gonna be really fun.
When we pull this off, you know what I mean.
And I think that's the kind of guy that Jane
Daniels is. I don't think the moment is ever gonna
be too big for him. I think he feels like
he can go into any plays at any time and
win any game, and that is very rare. I mean,
it's it's not you know, other guys have had success

(37:06):
even in spite of that, They've been able to go
in and win, even without the fact that they've had
maybe that attitude towards things. But when you have it,
it makes winning a whole lot easier because you never
really get that, you know, adrenaline rush where you kind
of like, look at Sam Darnold for example, the moment
became way too big for him. I mean, the guy's
adrenaline was through the roof and you could see it

(37:28):
because he was throwing the ball all over the place.
So I think Jayden Daniels, he's very poised and if they,
you know, can they can go into Philly and beat
that team this week. There's no doubt in my mind.
I Mean, you said it wouldn't be as easy for him,
and maybe it won't be as easy for him, but
I feel like they could go in there and win
that game. So all right on to Sunday, where, of

(37:50):
course we know what happened in the first game. It
was one that I obviously didn't want to see go
the way it did, and unfortunately for me, the Rams
had a couple of mistakes in this game. The biggest
one was the fumble from Kyron Williams that really cost them.
It was very reminiscent of the you know, Mark Andrews fumble,

(38:12):
which we'll talk about in a few minutes. But the
Rams really did have a chance even after everything that happened.
They scored a touchdown late to get it back within
six and then it was back in their hands with
a few minutes to go, and they're going down the
field and they get into the red zone, and you know,

(38:33):
the real killer play was the I think it was
on second down that they got the sack, or might
have been third down. It was third down, actually the
Eagles got the sack, so it was second in second
in something short they didn't get it, and then it
was third down and Matthew Stafford got sacked to make
it fourth and long, or maybe it was second down.
Either way, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
But there wasn't there. There was like a offensive.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
They they took a false start I think after the sack.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, so for thea I thought that was right before
the sack.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, regardless, they yeah, regardless. They got all the way
down the field and had a couple of like quick
mental lapses there and that was, you know, the sack happens,
which wasn't good obviously, but they still had a chance
on the very next play. And I'm trying to look
it up right now, let's see here. So it was
second and seven after a three yard run, and then

(39:29):
they took a five yard penalty false start. It was
second and twelve. They got it to third and two
after a pass to Nikua, so it was third and
two at the Philly thirteen. And then the next play
was the killer when he got sacked to make it
fourth and eleven, and so it's fourth elevens. They still

(39:51):
had a chance, but that was when Stafford kind of
threw the ball way over the head of Nakua and
the game the ball gets turned over to the Eagles
and they just kneel out the game. I really did
think they were gonna score on that drive. They went
right down the field, they had just scored the previous drive.
It looked like things were lining up for Matthew Stafford
and Sean McVeigh both did the same thing after the
game as well. That Vey was like, you couldn't convince

(40:12):
me it wasn't gonna be twenty nine to twenty eight.
So kind of a heartbreaking finish to the season for me.
A year that was really kind of rewarding in a
lot of ways considering, you know, I didn't really know
what to expect this season, but I think it really
just proved how good of a coach Sean McVay really is.
Matthew Stafford still has plenty in the tank, by the way.
I know he's contemplating his future and whether or not

(40:33):
he'll be back with the Rams even is still up
in the air, even if he wants to play, But I,
you know, personally hope he comes back and hopefully he's
back with the Rams. Cooper Cup is another guy who
I know didn't have the biggest impact this season for them,
but I would love to see him back this year
as well. So tough ending for them, but I can
kind of live with it now. Almost a week later

(40:54):
last week, it was tough for a day or two,
just because I felt like they were right there, and
I felt I really did feel like if they got
to next week and we're hosting Washington in an NFC
championship game, that they had a really good chance of
going back to the super Bowl again. But ultimately it
doesn't happen this year. So that's unfortunate randal, but I
can live with it.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Got John, I mean, the thing that I noticed there
is third and two. How do you you can't take
a sack there? And I get it, Like I mean,
it was like covers. They brought some pressure. Maybe change
the play called. Maybe on third and two you run
it there. You know it's for down territory no matter what,
So why not run this one?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Maybe you get it.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
If you don't it, you're not backed up in this situation.
I thought that was gonna be the right play call.
And then again with the Rams, the Tyrone Williams fumble
in man that you gotta hold out of the ball.
You gotta hold on to the ball in a playoff
game and can't be fumbling it and it clearly cost
him there.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And last year, I mean, obviously it was bad weather,
but you're not wrong.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want I
get it. Bad weather a little bit, but that I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I don't know. But the real killer too, the two killers.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
You cannot let say Kwan Barkley go for two touchdowns
on back on sixty five plus yard carries.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, he torched them in the regular season too.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
But you guys were holding him, the Rams were holding
him in contention the first quarter, and then all of
a sudden, you'll let him rip off.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I mean, you take off those two carries. John, the
dude had a horrible day.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Those two carries were one hundred and thirty yards. If
it's two hundred, I know.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
And you were sitting there all week, you were texting
me about his over underline and whether or not we
should be looking at taking it, and I'm like, I
don't know, man, I feel like he torched them last time,
and you're right. Aside from the those carries, he didn't
really do anything on them, so it's unfortunate, but that's
he didn't do a lot of teams this year. I mean,
he had great.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
How do you know this man?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
You know what he's gonna do you know they can't
throw the ball?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I mean, it's not an excuse, but it's a reality.
They they played well times, but they got get it.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
I get it's young, but you have the defensive line,
you have linebackers, and then you have safeties.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
How do you get through all three layers of the defense?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
John, That's unacceptable, and not to only do it once,
but to do it twice.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Your d C should be fired for allowing that mess.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
They need to go back to OTA's and start working
on tackling drills again. I don't know what they need
to do, John, but it was a pure embarrassment to defense.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, well, that's that's fine. If you want to have
that opinion on that, you have.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
It till I had the younger on the yards.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Well, that's what I'm saying, is like, you're coming at
it from a skewed point of view. So I'm not
going to even bother arguing with you about it. Oh
all right, last game of the weekend. After I had
to deal with that, I was able to watch one
more game at least to take my mind off. At
Ravens Bills, another fun weather game, not as much snow

(44:18):
as we saw in Philly, but we did get a
little bit of flurrying and we got a pretty decent game.
I mean, ultimately the Bills at home as underdogs were
the ones who came out victorious. Here the Ravens were
down late, they scored a touchdown, went for two, and
everybody knows what happened at the end if you watch
the game, Mark Andrews dropped a ball that was maybe

(44:40):
a little bit off thrown, but it was very catchable.
And he also had a fumble earlier in the game
that cost them pretty big after he made a catch.
Uh there's a lot of video circuling of Lamar Jackson
kind of going up to him and tell him they
win their you know, their team, they wins, the team
loses a team. But ultimately Mark Andrews kind of like
Kyron Williams the Rams, you know, had the big mistake

(45:02):
that you look at and say, uh oh, that cost
him so especially the two point conversion catch at the
end randal because that happened. They were there, they had
the touchdown, they only needed to score that and it
would have been tied. So what were your takeaways from
the way this game kind of unfolded and the way
it ended.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, Mark, Andrew's definitely feeling horrible. There's there's no if
answer butts about that because he had to drop, like
you said, in the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Then he had a fumble right, So that that's only
two of them.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
That's not including the game tie in play that should
have happened. But in his defense, one it should have
been caught the two point conversion. However, if you go
back and look, that ball is slightly under thrown right,
like he double clutches on the ball, kind of lobs
it in there. Throw that ball, lead him, make it,

(45:53):
make him make it like a normal play.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Now again he should have caught it. But if you
go back and look, you know.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Phil, Chris Chris collins Son was talking on the Ky
Adams Show the other day.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And butchering names. So you started to say Phil Simms
and then oh yes, then you went to Chris collins Worth,
but you only said Chris collins Oh.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Oh my god, yeah, Phil Simms, Phil Sims soon, Oh,
Chris Chris Simms.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Oh my John, who is it you're missing?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
It's Chris Simms. He played in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Over the place Chris collins Worth sons though.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Phil Phil Simms, his son Chris Simms, and yeah, Jack
collins Worth is also a broadcaster.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Exactly exactly, but I'm getting next up today.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
But yes, and he was saying that and breaking it down,
I'm like, you know what, You're right.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
He did double clutch on it.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
He did kind of just lopped it in there, and
it was under thrown on him if he actually led
him and through it a little firmer. I do think
Mark Andrews would have caught that. But again, is that
a catchable ball? One hundred percent it's a catchable ball.
But he was explaining how, you know, obviously he's a
bigger dude. Now, you know, he's having to move his

(47:18):
body and everything. And he still said he should have
caught it as well, which I do agree with. But
I do see from the fact he was saying, like, look,
you're an MVP quarterback, you're making fifty five million a year.
You need to put it where it needs to be
in that situation. And he sold me on it, and

(47:39):
I saw it. I'm like, you know what, that makes
perfect sense. I couldn't agree more. But Maar, Jackson missed
the throw.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, I agree that it wasn't a perfectly thrown ball.
But again if you watch the video, it was very catchable,
so there's fault in bolt and again the fumble was
probably bigger than anything. Josh Allen played well in this game.
It wasn't like he played, you know, crazy, but he
had a good game as far as running the ball
and just managing the game. He didn't really throw for
a lot of yards or touchdowns, but he did what

(48:09):
he needed to do. He protected the ball, you know,
he made an impact with the two rushing touchdowns. James
Cook had a nice day on the ground. So they
did enough defensively too, just enough to make this game there.
So they'll be playing at Kansas City in the AFC
Championship this upcoming week, a rematch from a few years
ago in the playoffs, and that famous thirteen seconds that

(48:30):
Patrick Mahomes was able to lead the Chiefs down the
field to win the game. So we'll see what's in
store for this version of Chiefs Bills. But that will
bring us into guess that spread time, randall.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Ay, I thought you'd never say it, John, because know
what time it is.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's time to play ye guess spread? All right, it's
time to play guess that's spread and today's will be
a little bit different. With only two games this week,
Randal I figured it would be fun for us to
go through both games. And what we'll do is neither

(49:09):
one of us are going to look at any lines
prior to me flipping a coin. So I will go
ahead and flip a coin. Each side of the coin
will represent one player from each team at each position.
So we'll take let's say the number one running back,
the number one receiver, and the number one quarterback, and
we will both guess a number price is right style,

(49:31):
So if we try to one up you, you can't
get away with it, unless, of course, it is closer
and it's not the number. So for example, if the
number was one hundred and Randall said ninety nine, and
I said one hundred and a half, and at Randall's
at ninety nine and a half, I'm at one hundred
and a half, I would be over one hundred. So
he would win even though we're the same distance away.
Does that make sense, Randall? All right? So the first

(49:59):
game we is Commander's Eagles, Randall, So I will go
ahead and flip this coin that I have here. I'm
going to say that heads is Jayden Daniels, and tails
will be Jalen hurts, all right, flip the coin we
got Jalen hurts, all right, Jalen hurts it was tails.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Okay, um, let's see what do you love me? You
are we shouting out on three? You want to go first?
You want me to go first?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Well, alternate. We'll alternate going first for each one, so
we each go first for three of them. So I'll
go first for this one. So I'll say that Jalen
hurts his passing the yards number is gonna be let's say,
two thirty seven and a half.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Damn, John, You're way too, way too high on that one.
I'm gonna go one. One ninety five and a half.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Wow, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Really think it's gonna be closer to two ten to twelve,
but I didn't want to overshoot it.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Okay, So the over under yardage number for Jalen Hurts,
what did you say again?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
One ninety five and a half?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Oof? It is one eighty nine and a half. So
even though you were closer, you're still just outside the range.
And I was definitely thinking more aligne the long along
the lines of Jayden Daniel's number, which is up over
two twenty five. But yeah, I overshot a little bit there. Huh.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I knew you were gonna be.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I'm like, as soon as you said it, clearly you
didn't see the line last week.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
He was only at like one eighty something.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Again, It's just I was locked in on the RAMS
lines last week.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Sorry, you're right, You're right, all right.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
So now I'm gonna flip a coin. Heads will be
Brian Robinson, tails will be Saquon Barkley. All right. Ooh,
so if we get Barkley, I know you and I
were looking on his line all week last week, so
we might be. All right. Here we go flipping the coin.
It is heads. So we've got Brian Robinson. It's your

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turn to go first.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Mmmm bang. I was hoping for Saqua. I kind of
was to uh, Brian Robinson. God, I'm gonna go with
seventy seventy two yards.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I think that's gonna be a little high. Randall, I'm
gonna go with fifty five and a half, all right?
Three two? His rushing yard number is thirty six and
a half. Holy hell, we both were way off. I was.

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I was only one away from it. Do you do
you see what Saquon Barkley's number is.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I don't what is it like? One fifteen?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Keep going up, my man, there's no way.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
There's no way.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
One twenty eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
There is no way, man, there is now this.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
You could take him for if you took him for
one hundred plus yards. It's minus three thirty nine draftings
right now. That's just stupid, all right? So heads is
AJ Brown? Tails is Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Okay, it sounds good.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Flip the coin, Flip the coin. What do we got? Heads,
AJ Brown? It's my turn to go first. His numbers
have been bad the last couple of weeks. Jalen hurts.
His numbers only one eighty nine. We know that. So
I'm gonna say this number is gonna make up a
good amount of that, but it's not gonna be too
too high. I'm gonna say fifty one and a half.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That sounds about right, John. I think you have it
in the right realm. I'm just gonna go a little
higher than you though. I'm gonna go fifty seven and
a half.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Okay, here we go, Here we go. The big reveal
receiving yards over under is a j Brown sixty six
and a half. Boom ming ing ing ing ing minging
win you were still uh fifty, would you say?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I said fifty?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I thought, I thought we It didn't matter. I'm being
five with it.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I gotta be five within man, I would.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Have gone into sixties.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Then, No, that's not how.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
You can't just go over me because you think you're
gonna win that way. No, come on, okay, all right,
so we make it for through the first game with
no blood here.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
All right, I was still technically better.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I'm gonna flip a coin for Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. Yeah,
you were a little bit better. Heads is Patrick Mahomes.
Tails is Josh Allen. Okay, flip the coin. Flip the coin.
Heads is Patrick Homes. And it's your turn to go first.
It's your guy. What's his passing yard number?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Is?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Passing yard number is gonna be two twenty one and
a half.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I'm gonna go slightly higher than you, two thirty five
and a half. All right, let's see, let's see. Let's
see it is two fifty four and a half.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
What Yeah, we are off the mark so far?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Interesting?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
All right, I guess that brings us to Pichecko and
James Cook. The Checko will be heads, Cook will be tails,
flipping the coin, flipping the coin. It is James Cook.
Let's see, James Cook had a decent team last week.

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I think he said he had about seventy yards. He's
a big part of their offense. But they looked mixing
and the other guys. This is not hurt. It's gonna
be I'm gonna say sixty one and a half.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Ooh, I'm gonna say fifty four and a half.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
All right, let me check it is fifty six and
a half. Bat What did you say? Fifty four?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
All right, so you are on the board and only
one more chance here with the receivers, Randall, who do
we consider the number one receivers for these two teams?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Jeez, I don't even know. I mean we just go
do we just go with through with the high guys
last week? I mean, do we just want.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
To go with picture vis Kelsey and.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Here? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I was just gonna say, Shakiro, I think.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
All right, so Kelsey will be head, Shakiro will be tails.
Perfect it is Travis Kelcey time baby.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Hm hmmm, sixty sixty three and a half.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Oh man, that's a good number. I like that number.
I'm gonna go with sixty nine and a half. The
results are is, oh, seventy and a half.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I was thinking sixty seven sixty.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Nine and you you you went, you went the good
way you went, I went.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I think we need a tie breaker, so I'm going
to let's see here, how can we do a tiebreaker?
I guess that's spread. Should we do something with another
receiver or another running back or something. The kicker, yeah,
he's over unders one and a half. I win, All right,

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let's just I guess we could just call it tie.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
You want to call it tie, We'll go one more. No,
let's go, let's go a receiver pick a.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
You want to flip a coin between Xavier Worthy and
Amari Cooper.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Heads is Xavior Worthy, Tails is Amari Cooper. For the
tie break, it is head Xavier Worthy. So I guess
I gotta go first here. I think Xavior Worthy is
receiving yard number is going to be thirty seven and a.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Half, twenty twenty nine and a half.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Oof fifty and a half. So neither one of us
earned that one.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Wow, what was Amari Cooper twelve.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Seventeen and a half. Yeah close, yeah, yeah, all right,
well we'll call the tie then, So that does it
for guess spread, all right, Randall, that brings us to
hard locks locks, all right, so only the two games

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to pick, So we will pound through these real quick.
Commanders Eagles minus six. The Eagles are at home here,
they'll be hosting Washington. I think the weather looks okay. Actually,
we have to mention last week's results real quick. We
both went two to one in one right, winners, winners,

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So we both have the identical records so far because
we're both three and three of the first week, so
right now we're both five four and one on the
postseason hard lock. So we'll get into these games. I'll
go first year for the first game, and then Randal
will go first for the second game. But for this game,
I'm going to go ahead and take Washington Commanders to

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cover plus six. I don't know if they'll win, but
they did beat this Eagles team recently enough for me
to feel like they've got a chance. It's not like
it's a true cross country road game for them. They
did beat them when they were at home a few
weeks ago. They played a close game eight points the
first time they played them in Philly. But what they

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just did to Detroit kind of throws out the whole
notion of having to go on the road. And this
is a closer trip, so I feel like they should
feel closer to home. And ultimately, Jane Danils has proven
to me that he's not gonna be intimidated by any environment.
So give me Washington to cover plus six. I'm not
gonna say they're gonna win, but i'll take them to
at least cover six points.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
You know, John, there's a couple things that I really hate.
One of them is the Eagles. One of them is
the Kansas City Chiefs, two of the very few things
I hate besides lists of food. Obviously, I hate the Eagles.
Hate them, hate them, hate them, hate them. But I

(01:01:19):
am gonna take them. Give me the Eagles plus sorry, minus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
The six and a half points, it's just six six.
I'll take them six.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like you gotta feel like there's
gonna be the Birds going to the super Bowl based
on the matchup on paper, But I don't know. I
like Washington to keep it close, all right. Randal the
second game, we've got the Bills visiting the Chiefs. This
one is very close spread wise, it's one and a
half currently for the Chiefs in their favor, but obviously,

(01:01:53):
if you know the history of this matchup, there's been
a lot of close games. Of course, the one game
where the Bills were leading, the Chiefs came down the
field only thirteen seconds left to kick the field goal.
So what do you like here? I know you just
said you hate the Chiefs. Do you like them to
win this game by one and a half?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
John? There was a great saying I saw online today.
You know. It was bet money on the Chiefs, and the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Reason was, if they go to the super Bowl, you
made money, and if they don't go to the super Bowl,
you're happy either way. Give me the Chiefs minus one
and a half. John, Wow, I'm actually kind of I

(01:02:40):
did that, dumb Give me buffalo to destroy those motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
D Dan, he's back. That's Randall's music. Okay, Well, you
pull the fast one on me there, because I thought
we were thought we were gonna be on opposite size
of the fence of this one. But I am going
to take buffalo with you here. I like them to
win outright, And yeah, I mean they're underdogs. They were

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underdogs last week, granted that was at home, but when
you just look at these two teams this season, they
have played different games. Bills have been more consistent across
the board, even with all the offensive weapons that left
Josh Allen this year. I wasn't very high on them
coming into the year, but I do like them better
in this matchup. But I also have learned not to
sleep on the Chiefs, where we could both look like

(01:03:27):
idiots here next week when we do our recap show,
because quite frankly, the Chiefs have made the super Bowl.
Getting to the super Bowl look really easy. And I
also saw a list of statistics that I wanted to
share with you, Randall. I don't know if I have
it right in front of me or at this moment,
but Patrick Mahomes, if he wins this Super Bowl, has
a chance to pass the pace of Tom Brady on

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a lot of different things. He also would do a
three peat for the first time that Tom Brady didn't
do either. Tom won three or four, obviously, but Mahomes
has a chance to do something that Brady's never done,
and Tom Brady will be the one broadcasting this game
or the Super Bowl this year. So if Patrick Mahomes
can win this game and get to the Super Bowl,
that's when things we get really interesting from the perspective

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of who's the goat, you know, which I know you're
not even gonna entertain the conversation, but I'll take the
Bills to win this game with you, and hopefully we
don't even have to have this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah, we better not have to have this conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Because the other thing, too is Tom Brady also went
to three Super Bowls in a row, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
All I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
John Jappy will be back next year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
He had a great lensanity run for like three games.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Okay, man, like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Oh man, all right, well that brings us uh, that's it.
That's it for hard locks. So I have underdogs on
both sides both of these games. And Randall tick the
chalk with the Eagles and then he goes underdog with
the Bills, so both have the Bills. It really will
come down to the first game this week to see
who is leading our picks going into the Super Bowl.

(01:05:08):
All right, only one thing left to do, Randall, So
I'll turn it over to you here at the end
of the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Well, John, I get a word or phrase. You gotta
guess it, John, is the word you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Were throwing me for a loop right from the beginning
today because you had a couple of things. I was
pretty convinced that when you mentioned Cherry's and whipped cream
on top when you were talking about I think Dan Campbell,
that that was going to be it. But then you
said you said, when you're in a mood, you shake
your boot is a saying that you say, And I

(01:05:44):
was like, I don't know if I've ever heard you
say that before, So that kind of stood out too.
And then you went with the old tom foolery again,
which I'm pretty sure you've used as a word before. Uh,
but that doesn't prevent you from maybe using it again.
So here I am trying to figure out what you're
going to go with here, and I have to think
that the cherries and whip cream, I think was you

(01:06:06):
were trying to give me a give me a decoy
early to kind of lull me to sleep here. So
if I'm using logic, I think that you making up
the fact that you have a saying that you say
when you're in a mood. Shake your boot. I think
that's that's got to be the word of the day
or the phrase of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Let's find out, don you know, I'm always angry, and
when I do, I have to say and when you're
in a mood, you just gotta shake your boot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Ah. Oh, you are such an idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
And to be honest with you, the cherries and whip
cream thing, I wasn't trying to throw you off. I
was actually just like trying to think of something like
I'm like, I'm drawing a blank on what I'm trying
to say with like it's just adding like the cherry
on top of it, you know, So like that's what I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Want to respond to you by saying the icing on
top or something again. And that was me trying to
give you a little signal that I think I know
what you're trying to do here. Then you came around
with the when you're in a mood, shake your bood.
So did your girlfriend, actually your girlfriend actually give you
that one or did you come up with that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
She she texted me that one this morning. I think
I honestly might have I might have watched it. I
think it was it was y be moody when you
can shake your booty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
And that makes it makes more sense.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
It does now, But I'm like, you know what I like.
I like the way I said it better.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah, it was like since and you're in the car too,
which is the best part of them. Okay, oh man,
what a clown? What a clown? Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Well, that brings us to the end here. So that's
that's it. We've only got a few more shows to
go here before the end of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
We will be back after the games here next week
to recap, and then probably the following week is when
we do our official Super Bowl preview, considering there's gonna
be two weeks between the Championship Brown and the super Bowl.
But Randall that that's pretty much it. We've only got
a few more episodes here before we get into the offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
And it always feels like it just goes by so
fast this time of year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
The good thing is we got golf coming up on
Sundays now, right, which we were going to be able
to start watching baseball spring training starts soon, but it's
just right when football lands. It kind of is like
no man's land a little bit for a while with
the sports. But it's been a great season so far. John,
These games are gonna be exciting. I cannot express enough

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the good news in the officiating report of what I
did see, John, for the Buffalo Kansas City game, this
official actually favors the away team, does not favor Kansas City,
and favors Buffalo a little bit more So, great news.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I think the NFL is trying to say, let's get
Buffalo back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
So we'll see, we will see.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Hopefully it's not as cynical as you're making it out
to be, but you never know, unfortunately, with the way
that some things get called. So all right, Randall, that
does it for us, Thanks for joining us. We'll see
you next week with our Championship recap episode. Ranald, go
ahead and take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Goodbye, good bye, good friends, goodbye. It's the conference champion
and ships, it's buck blow and the.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Cheat eats, and we also got the Eagles and commanders,
Egles and commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
So long she co own the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Profound and

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Everything need