January 28, 2025 • 35 mins
On this episode, John and Randall break down both the NFC and AFC Championship games from this past weekend. They also embrace a little Tom Brady vs Patrick Mahomes GOAT talk given the first 8 years of Patrick Mahomes career.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
What is going on? Everybody? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to
a very special edition of the John and Randall Football Experience.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
My name is John Vino, and.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
With me on the other line is my guy Randall Minogue. Randall,
we have our Super Bowl teams, NFL Championship weekend has
come and gone. Are you excited to talk about these
two games from last weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean excited as an understatement, I guessed, or an
overstatement or rather well.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Sound too happy to be here?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Do we even need to have a show? I mean,
does anybody really care? I mean this is just a
lose lose situation. People hate Philly fans, people hate Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And people hate the Chiefs. I think this Super Bowl
is bringing people together for hate.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know, everybody of all different teams come together as
one to hate the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, I mean it was the same matchup we had
two years ago and.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I hated it then too. I mean it literally is
for just a New England fan.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean obviously I'm a Brady lover, so like I'm
a home sting aggravates me and then again as a
New England fan. Yeah, we beat Philly once, but the
most recent one twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen when we lost
to Philly and Nick Foles. That one's still hurts. So
I hate Philly over that crap. It's just it's just
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not ideal.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
John.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I know you probably don't care because the Rams are
just they love everybody essentially out there in the West right.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
One of the super Bowl in the midst of all
this Mahomes winning.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That they did that they did, John, Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But yeah, So the plan here for Randall and I
is gonna be real simple because there's two weeks between
the championship games and the super Bowl. We are only
going to spend a few minutes here today recapping last
week's games, and we will move to the super Bowl
next week when it is a little bit more in
our You know, our peripherals are right in front of us,
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I guess say, and not in the peripherals. So we
do have two games that went on this past week
at the conference championship games. Randall, do you have our
records from the hard locks in front of you?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes, John, I believe we both went one and one. Okay,
so we both picked the same teams.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Game two, we did not pick the same team. So
it's impossible us to have had to have had the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You picked the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I did pick the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yes, that's a smart move that you picked the John.
I was going to pick the Chiefs and then I didn't.
Let's see here, hard Locks, let me look into it,
and yes, we both did go No, you had the Bills.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
John, Okay, all right, you had the No. No, I
had the Bills too.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So we had to tell you what different sides in
the first game is that? Is that what happened?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yep? So you went zero and two. I went one
on one. I had the Eagles MINU six easy cover commanders.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, that wasn't easy, easy cover for you. So you
you now are in pole position here. You have a
one game lead on me and hard Locks heading into
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But yeah, I mean, let's start with this game, because
it really was not a game. You know, it started
kind of encouraging from Washington. I don't know if you,
I'm assuming you were watching it from the onset of
the game. But they went right down the field, and
they kept converting fourth downs and and all this great
stuff was happening. And then suddenly they picked up a
third down and it was fourth down again and they
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send Zane and Zalez out there to kick a field goal,
and I'm like, all right, well, you know they're gonna
get some points here. It's not a bad idea. But
they were getting fourked down conversions every time, and they
kicked the field goal. They take a three to nothing lead,
and then literally on the first play from scrimmage, Sakwon
Barkley run sixty yards for a touchdown and the Eagles
never looked back again. It got as close as two
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points again at one point in the first half, but
the Eagles absolutely annihilated Washington, which I don't even know
what this means for Detroit. That's a conversation to have
for a different day based on the fact that they
lost pretty big to Washington and then this happens. But Randall,
I mean, what did you make of this game? Because
I was kind of shocked that obviously me being on
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the Washington side of things. Here you just saying a
second ago, easy cover. But I was kind of shocked
that Washington didn't have more fight in them based on
what I had seen from them last week in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I mean, I wouldn't say it's a fight thing, right,
because they did put up a decent amount of points.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It just kind of came down to they had.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
A couple ill time fumbles, right that ended up hurting
them and next thing, you know that that really flips
the script, especially going into halftime. You know, but I
mean this game, of course sekwon Barkley hits the younger
even after having that massive run. Yeah, yeah, were too
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late for me on that bet. However, John, it was.
It was the Eagles from the beginning. Like you said,
you went for it from your own fifty. You went
from it from the thirty, and now you're you're fourth
and five.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Why didn't you go for it? And you know what,
we can scrutinize.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It all we want, Right, guy made the kick, and hey,
you know what, they wanted to take the points at
the time. I honestly don't blame them that much. I
think that I don't blame them either.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I think the hindsight's just funny because they literally were
you know, they were converting everything including previous four downs
on that drive. And then you know what, they's probably
said to themselves, what's the chances we're gonna convert every
fourth down this drive? Let's kick the field goal here
and get three points on the board. Go make a
defensive stop. But the irony of the whole situation is
that they kicked the three points and then in the
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first play sixty yards Goodbye Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, it was not ideal, not ideal for any Commanders
fan out there. I mean, I honestly really believed like
that was how the game was gonna go. Not blowout
for the Eagles, but I knew the Eagles were gonna
win at least I felt like by eight to ten.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And hey, I think it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Was a great showing for the Commanders right this. They
went from four wins last season to the conference championship game.
What fan doesn't want to see that? What organization doesn't
want that to happen to them? And you have a
rookie quarterback that clearly showed he's able to show up
in the big time moments. You have veteran leadership around
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the team, you have great head coach, offensive coordinator, new ownership.
Everything is aligning. The stars are aligning for them to
be able to maintain this going into next year.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I actually completely agree with you on everything you
just said there about you know what, this season means
for the Washington I think if you're you know, if
you're looking at this from the outside looking in as
a fan of the of the Commanders, then you must
be thrilled with all the changes. But even as a
fan of football, I mean, it's just nice to have
a competent organization there again. You know, you think of
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you know, when I was young and you were young,
and Joe Gibbs was coaching and they had pretty good teams,
and even back before before our time with Doug Williams
and those teams in the old days that went to
the Super Bowl. You know, it's it's nice to see
them play well again this year. And they had a
fun team to watch and they were easy to root for.
H Jayden Daniels was the sixth quarterback in NFL history
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to start a conference championship game, and unfortunately he remained.
The curse kind of remains. None of the rookies have
made into the Super Bowl yet. I thought maybe it
would be different for him this year. But you're right,
the building blocks or the future are certainly set in
place for Washington, and this is gonna be the time
when he's not on a massive deal to get a
Super Bowl championship one in Washington, which sounds funny to say,
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but they have a window here of the next few
years where they could really go out and make some
splashy moves and try to put the best possible roster
around him. So we'll see what it means ultimately for
them from the Eagles perspective. You know, six rushing touchdowns
or seven rushing touchdowns of this game, six of them
from Hurtz and Barkley combined, and then an eighth touchdown
in the throw to AJ Brown. You know, they just
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had everything working here. This is a team that was
up to the task a few years ago, obviously when
they beat the Patriots back in the late twenty tens
with the whole Nick Foles thing, but even more recently,
they did make the Super Bowl two years ago and
lose to the Chiefs, so it'll be interesting to see
if they can have any sort of redemption story here.
But this team is definitely better than the one from
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two years ago because of Saquon Barkley, so I don't
put anything past them at this point. They've been a
high powered offensive juggernaut. But I will say random the
last thing I'll say is it does make me that
much more upset that the Rams couldn't get past the Eagles,
because if the Rams played what the Washington Commanders did
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this past weekend, they probably would have won and been
in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, John, I'm glad that the Rams didn't win, and
glad the Rams didn't play Washington because the Rams.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Ain't beating the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And I need the team that can beat the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Beat the Chiefs on Monday night. Football man, Come on.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I I know, and I understand. I think your golf
has a lot of great potential.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Not now, not in this year, notre Yeah, but you
said a thing earlier too, And I guess this is
actually the real last thing I'll say about this game.
But you know, turnovers have seemed to be a theme
of this playoff. Whichever team turns the ball over, has
it costly turnover seems to be losing more than not.
And this is a Commander's team had four turnovers the
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other day, three fumbles and then Daniels did throw a
pick late in the end zone. Bill's Chiefs was a
three point game. We really got treated to. You know,
this game kind of lived up to the billing of
what everybody thought it was going to be coming in.
Everybody's talking about, Oh, this should just be our super
Bowl and it's Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes again. I
think it was the fourth time they've played already in
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the playoffs, and every single time, including this time, Patrick
Mahomes has eliminated Josh Allen from the playoffs. So the
Bills continue to not be able to shake the boogeyman.
There were a couple of moments in this game where
I thought the Bills were gonna be able to put
it together, especially late when they had the ball back
and you know, they were going down the field and
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you're like, is this gonna be it or a they
gonna be able to hold onto this ball and win
this game, And of course it didn't happen. They end
up giving the ball back to Kansas City and the
Chiefs go down the field and Harrison Bucker kicks a
game winner, and just as I've been telling you all
year long, Randall, the Chiefs are back in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
John.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's it's literally like so crazy at this point that
we should have just been putting money on them all along.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That that was your thing Sunday night. To me was, man,
we should just been betting on Chiefs the entire.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Season because it's ridiculous. I mean, somehow someway they find
a way whoop their wand out wave it in the
air and they win the game. Like you're like, what
just happened?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
How did this? How did this go? Habra cadabra? So
a couple things.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Obviously, I think there's a lot more to talk about
in this game than the previous game, a lot more
excitement in this one as well.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right, what do you think of the spot of the
ball on that fourth down that they said it wasn't
the first.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean, obviously it was a first down, right because
even the even blanket on the referees name.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That they have on on air there.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, no, no, that's my career m B as Fox
uh CBS's territory, Gene's territory. Yes, he said it was
a first down, and it clearly was a first down.
I mean the ball cross. You can see it on
the replay, and you know what, I get it on
the field. If you want to give it a shallow spot,
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I understand that. However, clearly, clearly after review. You see
where the ball is on Josh Allen, You see where
he is crossing the line, and so how do you
how do you not rule that a first down? And
honest to God, John is mind boggling. I don't care
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if they didn't rule it a first down on field.
You did a replay, You clearly see the ball is
six inches over the first down marker.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well you keep saying, you keep saying clearly, but I
never saw it clearly over. I go. I agree with you.
I think it was a first down, but I think
they had no choice.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So why would you think it's a first down? Why
do you think it's a first down? What made you
think it was a first down?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Based on based on where his like? Because the one
angle right down the line from the other side, you
can see the ball up to a certain point, and
then it got blocked out by the helmet, and the
helmet appeared to be on the line, if not slightly over.
And my thought was, well, if I can't see the
ball because it's behind this helmet, it must be just
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over the line. But I don't think it was. I mean,
clearly is a strong word to be.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Using right now. I agree with you, but clearly, clearly.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The reason No, clearly you wouldn't agree with me, and
you wouldn't say you believe if it was the first
down John, if you did not see crucial evidence, crucial
evidence that confirmed that state for you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The problem, though, is they called it a not fushed down.
I don't field, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I really don't care what they called it on the field,
And in that situation, I really do.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Not well what all the criminals that they didn't bring
out the chains at all to measure it, like you
know what I mean, Like if the ball is going
to be on the ground and there's a question one
way or the other, bring out the damn chains. And
I mean this is actually an argument for a chip
being in placed in the ball, because we would never
get this shit wrong, Like you know, it's you know,
Tennis does it in a second where they can see
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if it's right down the line. Baseball is going to
be moving that way with the strike zone challenges next
year in spring training and maybe maybe in the major
leagues by twenty twenty six. This is something that is
way overdue.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
We have the sides with it, right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
All of these leagues are using some advanced sort of
v now and the fact that they still a have
a chain gang out there, and b don't use some
sort of advanced technology, whether it be in the ball
or somehow in like the downs markers. But it's just it.
It is like, I agree with you again, but I
was not shocked that they upheld the call in the
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field because I felt like they called it a turnover
and they don't have anything that's clear and indisputable to
say he did get it. In your perspective, I would say, Okay,
that's fine. I respect the opinions that you say you
didn't think it was clear. But from my perspective, just
having to watch football and kind of knowing what happens
in these situations, I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Man,
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I don't know if they're gonna be able to overturn this.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Even though one guy, John, the official on the near side,
was literally on the first down line. The Chiefs player
knocked them off that line. But the real criminal act also, John,
is the third down. It was third and five and
don king k reached out for the first down. John, Yeah,
where just replay assist happening there? I don't know for
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the Chiefs on another drive, it was gonna be like
second in one or second in a couple inches, and
they ended up giving them the first down with replay assists.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You know, I also think it worked against the Chiefs
on a play too. At one point they move them
back to like second in inches or third inches. But
I know what you're saying. I agree, if you're gonna
do it.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I was right before the fourth down play, Okay, it
was literally back to back place.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, if you're gonna do it, you have to do it.
Like for everything, you can't just be selective on this
whole replay assist. I mean, the NFL could have a
team of ten people or twelve people watching all the
angles in a room somewhere and they'd be able to
get these calls right within a second. So I don't
know why they don't do that. It's really beyond me,
because especially if you watch like the all twenty two
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angle of this stuff, you see everything on the field.
So I don't know why they can't have somebody sitting
in some sort of building somewhere with a screen that's
bigger than you know, my house, watching this. But it's yeah,
I mean, what did you think so there was the
other big call, the Xavier Worthy catch that was sort
of like mutual possession to the ground and that it
hit the ground. What did you think about that one?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean, I could see that one standing only in
the sense of the ball didn't really move potentially that much,
but like depending on the angles and stuff you see it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, it's just it's so hard to rule it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I mean, I don't know because examer Worthy technically never
really had a hand on it at that point.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Did as he was coming to the ground, but.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Control, I mean, it hit the ground hard, and I
get it, like it might not have moved, but it's
still hit the ground. It wasn't like there were hands
under it or a round. I don't know, John that
I feel like that one was more of a tricky
call to make.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I agree. I think we see that one not that often,
but we see it often enough that it's just one
of those wonky plays that like unless there's a c
I think, because it's almost like the tie goes to
the runner kind of thing, Like not really, but they're
almost kind of like all right, if you both have
it and you're both hitting the ground, like the offensive
player is gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
But technically the offensive player didn't even happen when the
ball hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I know, but I think he grabbed it from him
while he was on the ground and that was enough
because the other guy was on top of him with
the ball in his hand and he didn't really have
full possession either. But the big part that we keep
saying here, that you said is it did hit the ground.
The ball hit the ground, It didn't really seem to move,
but you didn't really know if there was a possession
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or not. I actually thought that this one was probably
the right call based on everything I saw. But the
other one, to me, like you said, was the one
where I was like, I think Josh Allen got the
first down. But just to go back to that for
a second, I don't know why the Bills kept calling
tushballs weren't working, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
God, John? John?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
They like five times, it were like twice maybe twice.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't think it worked fucking once, John, part of
my frendshow on a family show. But that's so number
one criminal these replay officials like that. That was number
one ball spotting. That was very criminal.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
There.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
The second criminal thing the coaching staff for the Buffalo Bills.
How do you not make an adjustment? You just said it, John.
They did it five times every single time. Where did
he go to the left hand side? By the way,
by the way, I don't care. My buddy's a Buffalo
Bills fan, My one of my best friends, Buffalo Bills fan.
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It's like we were thirty for thirty on the season,
like it is what it is. It's like, I don't
care if you were thirty for thirty on the season
with it. They stopped it so easily when the Eagles
make it look so easy. And the second part is,
you guys are not doing a push push.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You have one hundred and fifty pound man.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Maybe one seventy seventy five, soaking wet, trying to push
your guy that's six ft five, six hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Look, what are you doing.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You gotta get an offensive lineman, a defensive lineman, somebody
big and strong back there to push your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, I think the big like the Eagles run it
with like aj Brown behind Jalen Hurts. But I think
the big thing is that Jalen Hurts is a smaller dude,
Like he's five eleven, right, he finds the cracks and
he can get underneath the lineman. Josh Allen is humongous,
Like he's not going to like he doesn't, He's just
gonna squeeze through there. And who who.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is the running back gonna push? Is James Cook?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Really gonna push Josh Allen at all? Even with nobody pushing.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Josh Allen back? Is James Cook? But gonna be strong
enough to do that?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
No? No, But you can be good at, you know,
a regular quarterback sneak like Tom Brady used to be
really good at the regular quarterback sneak. He never got
pushed or anything from behind. I think Josh Allen and
just doesn't know what he's doing. I mean it looked like.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He ran up so tall, he ran.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Off to the left every time, like he was trying
to go behind the left guard, and it's like, dude,
just go through the hole, like and if there.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Is they were running it so well, I don't know
why they didn't just run it there normally.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean there's so many questionable things from the
Bills in this game. I mean, James Cook wasn't out
there to start the last possession. You know, they had
Ty Johnson now it's like, what are we doing. This
guy's your best offensive player besides Josh Allen, he's not
on the field, and I don't know. They just this
year was weird for the Bills because coming into it
it felt like they didn't have a playmaker on offense
besides you know, Josh Allen and obviously James Cook, but
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they didn't have the one receiver that you looked at
and said, oh, that's gonna be the difference maker.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And then I mean they didn't have to, like I
mean they saw how many points, how many points did
they put up twenty eight?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, in this game they still yeah, they lost me
three points. It was thirty one or thirty two, twenty
nine something like, yeah, thirty two, twenty nine exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So like I mean, offensively they still score, right, but
like at the same at the same time time to
go to your point.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's I think it's the play called yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That fourth and that fourth down play to with the
game on the line, Why is your wide receiver coming
all the way in and then going out against the
guy that you know is blitzing he's already now fifteen
yards behind the line to gain It was like the
play in the Super Bowl that the Chiefs used to
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win against against the Eagles a little bit right that
it was kind of like come in, come out, but
they were blitzing. You had him in there, he had
nobody helped to block, and he had to obviously chuck
it up, which was impressive by the way that he
was able.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
To do that. Let's talk about Dalton Kinkaid for a second.
I mean, the guy had a terrible year after he
was thought to be like, this guy was gonna come
in and save their offense from her passing game, and
he then drops this ball, which I know it wasn't
the perfect throw, but the fact that he even got
it there was kind of miraculous in itself.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I see, I really don't blame him for drop.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I know people are like, yeah, this guy dropped, no
hands whatnot, but I really don't.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
He had to come back on it, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You wouldn't blame him for dropping as much as I
blame Mark Andrews for dropping a two point version.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But I mean Mark Andrews was more to blame than
than than this. Come on, now, I mean this guy
he literally had to stop turn directions and died.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
He had like no momentum or anything going on.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, So I mean, I I really see. I think
that was just such a tough play to have happened. Man,
it was like and and I get it, you know,
And I think I don't I know if it was
you that I was talking to that said it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's in the NFL, he needs to make that catch.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, I think I I think I did say something
along those lines, and that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And in that and in that scenario, you know what,
you are right, you're you're, you're, you're, you're. You probably
are right, but it shouldn't have come to that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, this is so this is exactly what I said.
You said, I said, he should have caught it. You
said you think it was a wobbly ball a little
and diving back, and I said, still it hit him
in the hands. And you play in the NFL, And
you said, you're right. How do you not play defense there?
My god?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But anyway, okay, so my defense thing was on the
third and third down. Yeah that Kansas City had going
the other way. But one other point I want to
mention with the rests. Yeah, go ahead, right before this
this ended, it's right before the two minute warning.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The play clock expired. I know the play clock expired, but.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If you listen to them, if you listen to them
on the broadcast talk about this, it actually made sense
what they were saying. They said that because it's not
a full second, that's the grace period that oftentimes they get,
and it's not it's not supposed to be that way,
or maybe it is, but the full second has to elap.
It's kind of like the same thing if like you,
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if you're throwing a ball in your most your body
is ahead of the lion of scrimmage, but your foot
still on it. You're good to go, you know what
I mean? Like it doesn't have it's hard to be
the full body and just like it's gotta be the
full second that's gone.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I disagree as soon as that clock hits zero, because
there's no snap happening.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
There's no snap.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Now, you know, people are just looking I don't. I
think the Chiefs have certainly gotten plenty of breaks in
the refs, but I think people are now just looking
for reasons.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
But John that that that is egregious there, Like, come on,
I don't, I don't, I don't care if there's what
a grace period I seem I saw play this year.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Every day, man, it happens every week in the NFL. Guys.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The second this is what happened I saw play this year,
the clock literally hit zero. The second it hits zero,
they blew the play dead.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, they look at every game. If you're not game,
they do just because.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
They're looking at the play clock, right, and then they
look to see if the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
If it's not, they blow the whistle. There's no snapping
going on. So if there's no snapping of the.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Ball going on, how do you not blow the play dead.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Snapping going on?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Get it? Yeah? Look again, this is probably one of
those things that could be solved by like using more technology, right.
I mean, we could could probably figure out a way
to like sync it up that they never miss a
delay a game call. But this is just the reality
that they always give that extra second, an extra beat,
and it wasn't a full second. So I don't That's
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the last call that I'm worried about. All Right, I
know you're already super boiled up and frustrated. I can
hear it. I can hear it seething through your voice.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Right now, do you want to know the difference though.
That really makes me mad with the Chiefs, especially this year.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, go ahead, because I'm gonna get into the Chiefs
now in a different way, but you go first.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
They literally squeak out all these wins. That is just ridiculous.
Where people hate the Patriots, and I understand.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Why because they dominated everybody the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
The Patriots won all three of the first three Super
Bowls by three points.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay, that is different than it's one. Yes, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But what people hate them because they dominated everybody?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Did they not in the regular season and in the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
They beat Tennessee fifty one to ten, for Christ's sake
in a snowstorm.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
In the playoff games, they may handle people.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And Tom Brady man Patrick Mahomes every chance he got
in the playoffs too, by the way, handled Yeah no,
he beat him in the Super Bowl, and then he
beat him in a conference championship game, like the little
bit he is.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Well, that little bitch is about to pass Tom Brady
and actually already has in a lot of ways. But
for the first seven years of his career, he has
been the better player. When you look at the two
of them, just you know, all PROS MVPs championships. They've
both won three, and now Mahomes has a chance to
win four. And he also is a chance for a
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three peat, which Brady never did. And the great irony
of this whole situation is that Tom Brady is gonna
be on the broadcast for the Super Bowl in a
couple of weeks. Here, Randalls, so what do you have
to say about the Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady goat conversation
going on right now?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
There's no way you can even start this now. By
the way, Patrick Mahomes lost to Brady two times in
meaningful games, once in the super Bowl, so he can
never ever be considered the goat over him. Number two,
he beat him in the Super Bowl and the NFC
Championship game, which he won a super Bowl that year,
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by the way, against the Rams. Fun fact, h Okay
in his prime in his forty So if you can't
beat a man in your his forties, you can never
be considered the goat.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Okay, Joe Montana with.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
This mysterious four and oh was oh he's foreign and
oh he's four and oh, Brady can never be the goat,
can never be the goat?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Why is it Brady had to retire.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
To become the goat when this dude was winning Super ten,
been to ten Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
This dude's going to his fourth. I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He actually he's going to his fifth. He has a
chance to sorry, correct uh, and he's going to his
fifth in his what his eighth year, his seventh is
a starter. So it's pretty remarkable that he's only missed
two Super Bowls since he's been a starting quarterback. So
you know, I get what you're saying, and your party,
me is is gonna validate you because you're one hundred
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percent right when you say that he can never ever
say that he was able to beat Brady when it
mattered most, and he had two chances at it. I mean,
the first one was when he was in the AFC
Title game, didn't do it when Brady was on the
Patriots still, and then the next one was in the
Super Bowl and he didn't do it then either. So
I guess part of me says you're right. Part of
me says there will always be something that Mahomes can
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never take from Brady. But it also is hard to
deny the greatness of Patrick Mahomes. It took it took
Brady a very long time to win his fourth Super Bowl.
And what Mahomes is doing right now and a league
that you could argue is better than it was when
Brady was dominated the AFC. I mean, he had to
deal with Manning certainly a lot of years. And I'm
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trying to think of the other great teams in the AFC.
The Chargers were really good early on. The Ravens obviously
had some great teams. But right now, I mean, there
is an elite level of quarterbacks in the AFC alone
when you look at Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen,
and it does not seem to matter. Patrick Mahomes just
keeps beating all of them every year. So I'll tend
to agree with you right now. I'll keep it, I'll
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keep it partial and keep it us in good. Uh
and good? What's the word I'm looking for. I'll keep
us feeling good, not fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Why can't think of it now? John?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
If he wins ten Super Bowls, obviously, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
What I'm saying, Like you're gonna like at some point
in this life, if he has a good enough career,
no matter what, he did against Tom Brady. You're gonna
have to reanalyze here and say, Okay, he was X
number of years old when he lost to Tom Brady
twice and since then he has dominated. But right there,
we're not there quite yet. I agree, we're not even
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the way there.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He needs to see.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
That's the thing, John, that is gonna make this so
exciting because he's gonna literally have to have now a
second half of his career. Players are gonna retire more
I and I get it. Yeah, he lost Tyreek Hill
and now he's going to his second super Bowl without
Tyreek Kill. That that is great, like, congrats, you know
you have a good rookie. But if he can do
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it sustained over longevity of eighteen to twenty years, that's
that's where the true goatness and greatness and the comes in.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And by the way, I agree with you because right
now Patrick Mahomes is like kind of Dad Bob. He's
not Tom Brady and taking care of his body like
Brady is. He's not going to be able to play
a forty five or forty six at this rate. But
you know, we still have a long way till we
get there. If we're doing the John Randall Football Exier
experience seventeen years from now. Then we'll figure out who's
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the goat. Yeah, the last thing, Randal, I know that
we talked about both games, but I couldn't figure. I
couldn't end the episode today without congratulating you on the
Patriots Drake May being named to the Pro Bowl today.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Oh, I didn't even see that, Johnson. That's that's the thing.
It's like, well, how is he named to the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Like, he's an alternate man? You want to know who
he's replacing?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Who?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh? Yay?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So does he get bonus for that technically then, because
he's considered a Pro bowler?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Now? Uh? Probably here's a fun staff for you, though.
Quarterbacks that made the Pro Bowl as a rookie Patrick
Mahomes No, Lamar Jackson, no, Josh Allen no, Jalen Ertz no,
Drew Brees no, Aaron Rodgers, no, Tom Brady no, Drake May. Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
So does that count? Though? Like when when you is
it gonna say? Honest thing?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Do you know Tyler Huntley was a Pro bowler a
few years ago? What you don't remember that though? I
don't the year that he filled in for the Ravens.
He was named to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Jeez.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So yeah, it's it's a real thing, all right. Well,
that does it for us. We're gonna keep this one short.
We're not gonna talk about the big game yet. There's
too much time between today and then, and even if
we waited until the end of this week to talk
about it still would have been way too much time.
So to hear from Randall again and Randall and I
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again sometime the end of next week. We're not gonna
do it too early, obviously, Randal, because we want to
have a closer, be closer to the lines from the
day of. But we'll probably have some special fun games
to play. We'll probably play a special version of Guess
that spread figure out something to do there, and then
for our hard locks, we will probably be picking more
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than just the game. But Randal, unless there's anything you
feel like we didn't hit on from those two games
or anything else around the NFL world that happened since
we last spoke a few days ago, we can we
can hold off till there and wait till next week
to talk about the game.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
John, I think that's perfect, man, awesome.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, I hope you enjoy the rest of your night.
I hope our listeners enjoy the rest of their day
and the next couple of weeks before the year from
us again. Randall, I will went to take.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
It away from the year. Goodbye, good bye, good friends, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
We have to watch the Jeep side gain. I hate
them so much, I can't stand it.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I'm praying the egos with egles, with so my friends.
What is going on? Everybody? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to
a very special edition of the John and Randall Football Experience.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
My name is John Vino, and.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
With me on the other line is my guy Randall Minogue. Randall,
we have our Super Bowl teams, NFL Championship weekend has
come and gone. Are you excited to talk about these
two games from last weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean excited as an understatement, I guessed, or an
overstatement or rather well.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Sound too happy to be here?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Do we even need to have a show? I mean,
does anybody really care? I mean this is just a
lose lose situation. People hate Philly fans, people hate Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And people hate the Chiefs. I think this Super Bowl
is bringing people together for hate.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know, everybody of all different teams come together as
one to hate the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, I mean it was the same matchup we had
two years ago and.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I hated it then too. I mean it literally is
for just a New England fan.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean obviously I'm a Brady lover, so like I'm
a home sting aggravates me and then again as a
New England fan. Yeah, we beat Philly once, but the
most recent one twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen when we lost
to Philly and Nick Foles. That one's still hurts. So
I hate Philly over that crap. It's just it's just
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not ideal.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
John.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I know you probably don't care because the Rams are
just they love everybody essentially out there in the West right.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
One of the super Bowl in the midst of all
this Mahomes winning.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That they did that they did, John, Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But yeah, So the plan here for Randall and I
is gonna be real simple because there's two weeks between
the championship games and the super Bowl. We are only
going to spend a few minutes here today recapping last
week's games, and we will move to the super Bowl
next week when it is a little bit more in
our You know, our peripherals are right in front of us,
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I guess say, and not in the peripherals. So we
do have two games that went on this past week
at the conference championship games. Randall, do you have our
records from the hard locks in front of you?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes, John, I believe we both went one and one. Okay,
so we both picked the same teams.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Game two, we did not pick the same team. So
it's impossible us to have had to have had the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You picked the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I did pick the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yes, that's a smart move that you picked the John.
I was going to pick the Chiefs and then I didn't.
Let's see here, hard Locks, let me look into it,
and yes, we both did go No, you had the Bills.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
John, Okay, all right, you had the No. No, I
had the Bills too.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So we had to tell you what different sides in
the first game is that? Is that what happened?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yep? So you went zero and two. I went one
on one. I had the Eagles MINU six easy cover commanders.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, that wasn't easy, easy cover for you. So you
you now are in pole position here. You have a
one game lead on me and hard Locks heading into
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But yeah, I mean, let's start with this game, because
it really was not a game. You know, it started
kind of encouraging from Washington. I don't know if you,
I'm assuming you were watching it from the onset of
the game. But they went right down the field, and
they kept converting fourth downs and and all this great
stuff was happening. And then suddenly they picked up a
third down and it was fourth down again and they
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send Zane and Zalez out there to kick a field goal,
and I'm like, all right, well, you know they're gonna
get some points here. It's not a bad idea. But
they were getting fourked down conversions every time, and they
kicked the field goal. They take a three to nothing lead,
and then literally on the first play from scrimmage, Sakwon
Barkley run sixty yards for a touchdown and the Eagles
never looked back again. It got as close as two
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points again at one point in the first half, but
the Eagles absolutely annihilated Washington, which I don't even know
what this means for Detroit. That's a conversation to have
for a different day based on the fact that they
lost pretty big to Washington and then this happens. But Randall,
I mean, what did you make of this game? Because
I was kind of shocked that obviously me being on
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the Washington side of things. Here you just saying a
second ago, easy cover. But I was kind of shocked
that Washington didn't have more fight in them based on
what I had seen from them last week in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I mean, I wouldn't say it's a fight thing, right,
because they did put up a decent amount of points.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It just kind of came down to they had.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
A couple ill time fumbles, right that ended up hurting
them and next thing, you know that that really flips
the script, especially going into halftime. You know, but I
mean this game, of course sekwon Barkley hits the younger
even after having that massive run. Yeah, yeah, were too
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late for me on that bet. However, John, it was.
It was the Eagles from the beginning. Like you said,
you went for it from your own fifty. You went
from it from the thirty, and now you're you're fourth
and five.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Why didn't you go for it? And you know what,
we can scrutinize.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It all we want, Right, guy made the kick, and hey,
you know what, they wanted to take the points at
the time. I honestly don't blame them that much. I
think that I don't blame them either.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I think the hindsight's just funny because they literally were
you know, they were converting everything including previous four downs
on that drive. And then you know what, they's probably
said to themselves, what's the chances we're gonna convert every
fourth down this drive? Let's kick the field goal here
and get three points on the board. Go make a
defensive stop. But the irony of the whole situation is
that they kicked the three points and then in the
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first play sixty yards Goodbye Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, it was not ideal, not ideal for any Commanders
fan out there. I mean, I honestly really believed like
that was how the game was gonna go. Not blowout
for the Eagles, but I knew the Eagles were gonna
win at least I felt like by eight to ten.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And hey, I think it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Was a great showing for the Commanders right this. They
went from four wins last season to the conference championship game.
What fan doesn't want to see that? What organization doesn't
want that to happen to them? And you have a
rookie quarterback that clearly showed he's able to show up
in the big time moments. You have veteran leadership around
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the team, you have great head coach, offensive coordinator, new ownership.
Everything is aligning. The stars are aligning for them to
be able to maintain this going into next year.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I actually completely agree with you on everything you
just said there about you know what, this season means
for the Washington I think if you're you know, if
you're looking at this from the outside looking in as
a fan of the of the Commanders, then you must
be thrilled with all the changes. But even as a
fan of football, I mean, it's just nice to have
a competent organization there again. You know, you think of
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you know, when I was young and you were young,
and Joe Gibbs was coaching and they had pretty good teams,
and even back before before our time with Doug Williams
and those teams in the old days that went to
the Super Bowl. You know, it's it's nice to see
them play well again this year. And they had a
fun team to watch and they were easy to root for.
H Jayden Daniels was the sixth quarterback in NFL history
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to start a conference championship game, and unfortunately he remained.
The curse kind of remains. None of the rookies have
made into the Super Bowl yet. I thought maybe it
would be different for him this year. But you're right,
the building blocks or the future are certainly set in
place for Washington, and this is gonna be the time
when he's not on a massive deal to get a
Super Bowl championship one in Washington, which sounds funny to say,
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but they have a window here of the next few
years where they could really go out and make some
splashy moves and try to put the best possible roster
around him. So we'll see what it means ultimately for
them from the Eagles perspective. You know, six rushing touchdowns
or seven rushing touchdowns of this game, six of them
from Hurtz and Barkley combined, and then an eighth touchdown
in the throw to AJ Brown. You know, they just
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had everything working here. This is a team that was
up to the task a few years ago, obviously when
they beat the Patriots back in the late twenty tens
with the whole Nick Foles thing, but even more recently,
they did make the Super Bowl two years ago and
lose to the Chiefs, so it'll be interesting to see
if they can have any sort of redemption story here.
But this team is definitely better than the one from
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two years ago because of Saquon Barkley, so I don't
put anything past them at this point. They've been a
high powered offensive juggernaut. But I will say random the
last thing I'll say is it does make me that
much more upset that the Rams couldn't get past the Eagles,
because if the Rams played what the Washington Commanders did
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this past weekend, they probably would have won and been
in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, John, I'm glad that the Rams didn't win, and
glad the Rams didn't play Washington because the Rams.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Ain't beating the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And I need the team that can beat the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Beat the Chiefs on Monday night. Football man, Come on.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I I know, and I understand. I think your golf
has a lot of great potential.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Not now, not in this year, notre Yeah, but you
said a thing earlier too, And I guess this is
actually the real last thing I'll say about this game.
But you know, turnovers have seemed to be a theme
of this playoff. Whichever team turns the ball over, has
it costly turnover seems to be losing more than not.
And this is a Commander's team had four turnovers the
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other day, three fumbles and then Daniels did throw a
pick late in the end zone. Bill's Chiefs was a
three point game. We really got treated to. You know,
this game kind of lived up to the billing of
what everybody thought it was going to be coming in.
Everybody's talking about, Oh, this should just be our super
Bowl and it's Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes again. I
think it was the fourth time they've played already in
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the playoffs, and every single time, including this time, Patrick
Mahomes has eliminated Josh Allen from the playoffs. So the
Bills continue to not be able to shake the boogeyman.
There were a couple of moments in this game where
I thought the Bills were gonna be able to put
it together, especially late when they had the ball back
and you know, they were going down the field and
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you're like, is this gonna be it or a they
gonna be able to hold onto this ball and win
this game, And of course it didn't happen. They end
up giving the ball back to Kansas City and the
Chiefs go down the field and Harrison Bucker kicks a
game winner, and just as I've been telling you all
year long, Randall, the Chiefs are back in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
John.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's it's literally like so crazy at this point that
we should have just been putting money on them all along.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That that was your thing Sunday night. To me was, man,
we should just been betting on Chiefs the entire.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Season because it's ridiculous. I mean, somehow someway they find
a way whoop their wand out wave it in the
air and they win the game. Like you're like, what
just happened?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
How did this? How did this go? Habra cadabra? So
a couple things.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Obviously, I think there's a lot more to talk about
in this game than the previous game, a lot more
excitement in this one as well.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right, what do you think of the spot of the
ball on that fourth down that they said it wasn't
the first.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean, obviously it was a first down, right because
even the even blanket on the referees name.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That they have on on air there.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, no, no, that's my career m B as Fox
uh CBS's territory, Gene's territory. Yes, he said it was
a first down, and it clearly was a first down.
I mean the ball cross. You can see it on
the replay, and you know what, I get it on
the field. If you want to give it a shallow spot,
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I understand that. However, clearly, clearly after review. You see
where the ball is on Josh Allen, You see where
he is crossing the line, and so how do you
how do you not rule that a first down? And
honest to God, John is mind boggling. I don't care
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if they didn't rule it a first down on field.
You did a replay, You clearly see the ball is
six inches over the first down marker.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well you keep saying, you keep saying clearly, but I
never saw it clearly over. I go. I agree with you.
I think it was a first down, but I think
they had no choice.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So why would you think it's a first down? Why
do you think it's a first down? What made you
think it was a first down?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Based on based on where his like? Because the one
angle right down the line from the other side, you
can see the ball up to a certain point, and
then it got blocked out by the helmet, and the
helmet appeared to be on the line, if not slightly over.
And my thought was, well, if I can't see the
ball because it's behind this helmet, it must be just
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over the line. But I don't think it was. I mean,
clearly is a strong word to be.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Using right now. I agree with you, but clearly, clearly.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The reason No, clearly you wouldn't agree with me, and
you wouldn't say you believe if it was the first
down John, if you did not see crucial evidence, crucial
evidence that confirmed that state for you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The problem, though, is they called it a not fushed down.
I don't field, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I really don't care what they called it on the field,
And in that situation, I really do.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Not well what all the criminals that they didn't bring
out the chains at all to measure it, like you
know what I mean, Like if the ball is going
to be on the ground and there's a question one
way or the other, bring out the damn chains. And
I mean this is actually an argument for a chip
being in placed in the ball, because we would never
get this shit wrong, Like you know, it's you know,
Tennis does it in a second where they can see
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if it's right down the line. Baseball is going to
be moving that way with the strike zone challenges next
year in spring training and maybe maybe in the major
leagues by twenty twenty six. This is something that is
way overdue.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
We have the sides with it, right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
All of these leagues are using some advanced sort of
v now and the fact that they still a have
a chain gang out there, and b don't use some
sort of advanced technology, whether it be in the ball
or somehow in like the downs markers. But it's just it.
It is like, I agree with you again, but I
was not shocked that they upheld the call in the
(15:18):
field because I felt like they called it a turnover
and they don't have anything that's clear and indisputable to
say he did get it. In your perspective, I would say, Okay,
that's fine. I respect the opinions that you say you
didn't think it was clear. But from my perspective, just
having to watch football and kind of knowing what happens
in these situations, I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Man,
(15:39):
I don't know if they're gonna be able to overturn this.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Even though one guy, John, the official on the near side,
was literally on the first down line. The Chiefs player
knocked them off that line. But the real criminal act also, John,
is the third down. It was third and five and
don king k reached out for the first down. John, Yeah,
where just replay assist happening there? I don't know for
(16:03):
the Chiefs on another drive, it was gonna be like
second in one or second in a couple inches, and
they ended up giving them the first down with replay assists.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You know, I also think it worked against the Chiefs
on a play too. At one point they move them
back to like second in inches or third inches. But
I know what you're saying. I agree, if you're gonna
do it.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I was right before the fourth down play, Okay, it
was literally back to back place.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, if you're gonna do it, you have to do it.
Like for everything, you can't just be selective on this
whole replay assist. I mean, the NFL could have a
team of ten people or twelve people watching all the
angles in a room somewhere and they'd be able to
get these calls right within a second. So I don't
know why they don't do that. It's really beyond me,
because especially if you watch like the all twenty two
(16:51):
angle of this stuff, you see everything on the field.
So I don't know why they can't have somebody sitting
in some sort of building somewhere with a screen that's
bigger than you know, my house, watching this. But it's yeah,
I mean, what did you think so there was the
other big call, the Xavier Worthy catch that was sort
of like mutual possession to the ground and that it
hit the ground. What did you think about that one?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean, I could see that one standing only in
the sense of the ball didn't really move potentially that much,
but like depending on the angles and stuff you see it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, it's just it's so hard to rule it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I mean, I don't know because examer Worthy technically never
really had a hand on it at that point.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Did as he was coming to the ground, but.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Control, I mean, it hit the ground hard, and I
get it, like it might not have moved, but it's
still hit the ground. It wasn't like there were hands
under it or a round. I don't know, John that
I feel like that one was more of a tricky
call to make.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I agree. I think we see that one not that often,
but we see it often enough that it's just one
of those wonky plays that like unless there's a c
I think, because it's almost like the tie goes to
the runner kind of thing, Like not really, but they're
almost kind of like all right, if you both have
it and you're both hitting the ground, like the offensive
player is gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
But technically the offensive player didn't even happen when the
ball hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I know, but I think he grabbed it from him
while he was on the ground and that was enough
because the other guy was on top of him with
the ball in his hand and he didn't really have
full possession either. But the big part that we keep
saying here, that you said is it did hit the ground.
The ball hit the ground, It didn't really seem to move,
but you didn't really know if there was a possession
(18:35):
or not. I actually thought that this one was probably
the right call based on everything I saw. But the
other one, to me, like you said, was the one
where I was like, I think Josh Allen got the
first down. But just to go back to that for
a second, I don't know why the Bills kept calling
tushballs weren't working, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
God, John? John?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
They like five times, it were like twice maybe twice.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't think it worked fucking once, John, part of
my frendshow on a family show. But that's so number
one criminal these replay officials like that. That was number
one ball spotting. That was very criminal.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
There.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
The second criminal thing the coaching staff for the Buffalo Bills.
How do you not make an adjustment? You just said it, John.
They did it five times every single time. Where did
he go to the left hand side? By the way,
by the way, I don't care. My buddy's a Buffalo
Bills fan, My one of my best friends, Buffalo Bills fan.
(19:41):
It's like we were thirty for thirty on the season,
like it is what it is. It's like, I don't
care if you were thirty for thirty on the season
with it. They stopped it so easily when the Eagles
make it look so easy. And the second part is,
you guys are not doing a push push.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You have one hundred and fifty pound man.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Maybe one seventy seventy five, soaking wet, trying to push
your guy that's six ft five, six hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Look, what are you doing.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You gotta get an offensive lineman, a defensive lineman, somebody
big and strong back there to push your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, I think the big like the Eagles run it
with like aj Brown behind Jalen Hurts. But I think
the big thing is that Jalen Hurts is a smaller dude,
Like he's five eleven, right, he finds the cracks and
he can get underneath the lineman. Josh Allen is humongous,
Like he's not going to like he doesn't, He's just
gonna squeeze through there. And who who.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is the running back gonna push? Is James Cook?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Really gonna push Josh Allen at all? Even with nobody pushing.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Josh Allen back? Is James Cook? But gonna be strong
enough to do that?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
No? No, But you can be good at, you know,
a regular quarterback sneak like Tom Brady used to be
really good at the regular quarterback sneak. He never got
pushed or anything from behind. I think Josh Allen and
just doesn't know what he's doing. I mean it looked like.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He ran up so tall, he ran.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Off to the left every time, like he was trying
to go behind the left guard, and it's like, dude,
just go through the hole, like and if there.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Is they were running it so well, I don't know
why they didn't just run it there normally.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean there's so many questionable things from the
Bills in this game. I mean, James Cook wasn't out
there to start the last possession. You know, they had
Ty Johnson now it's like, what are we doing. This
guy's your best offensive player besides Josh Allen, he's not
on the field, and I don't know. They just this
year was weird for the Bills because coming into it
it felt like they didn't have a playmaker on offense
besides you know, Josh Allen and obviously James Cook, but
(21:37):
they didn't have the one receiver that you looked at
and said, oh, that's gonna be the difference maker.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And then I mean they didn't have to, like I
mean they saw how many points, how many points did
they put up twenty eight?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, in this game they still yeah, they lost me
three points. It was thirty one or thirty two, twenty
nine something like, yeah, thirty two, twenty nine exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So like I mean, offensively they still score, right, but
like at the same at the same time time to
go to your point.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's I think it's the play called yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That fourth and that fourth down play to with the
game on the line, Why is your wide receiver coming
all the way in and then going out against the
guy that you know is blitzing he's already now fifteen
yards behind the line to gain It was like the
play in the Super Bowl that the Chiefs used to
(22:28):
win against against the Eagles a little bit right that
it was kind of like come in, come out, but
they were blitzing. You had him in there, he had
nobody helped to block, and he had to obviously chuck
it up, which was impressive by the way that he
was able.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
To do that. Let's talk about Dalton Kinkaid for a second.
I mean, the guy had a terrible year after he
was thought to be like, this guy was gonna come
in and save their offense from her passing game, and
he then drops this ball, which I know it wasn't
the perfect throw, but the fact that he even got
it there was kind of miraculous in itself.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I see, I really don't blame him for drop.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I know people are like, yeah, this guy dropped, no
hands whatnot, but I really don't.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
He had to come back on it, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You wouldn't blame him for dropping as much as I
blame Mark Andrews for dropping a two point version.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But I mean Mark Andrews was more to blame than
than than this. Come on, now, I mean this guy
he literally had to stop turn directions and died.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
He had like no momentum or anything going on.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, So I mean, I I really see. I think
that was just such a tough play to have happened. Man,
it was like and and I get it, you know,
And I think I don't I know if it was
you that I was talking to that said it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's in the NFL, he needs to make that catch.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, I think I I think I did say something
along those lines, and that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And in that and in that scenario, you know what,
you are right, you're you're, you're, you're, you're. You probably
are right, but it shouldn't have come to that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, this is so this is exactly what I said.
You said, I said, he should have caught it. You
said you think it was a wobbly ball a little
and diving back, and I said, still it hit him
in the hands. And you play in the NFL, And
you said, you're right. How do you not play defense there?
My god?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But anyway, okay, so my defense thing was on the
third and third down. Yeah that Kansas City had going
the other way. But one other point I want to
mention with the rests. Yeah, go ahead, right before this
this ended, it's right before the two minute warning.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The play clock expired. I know the play clock expired, but.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If you listen to them, if you listen to them
on the broadcast talk about this, it actually made sense
what they were saying. They said that because it's not
a full second, that's the grace period that oftentimes they get,
and it's not it's not supposed to be that way,
or maybe it is, but the full second has to elap.
It's kind of like the same thing if like you,
(25:02):
if you're throwing a ball in your most your body
is ahead of the lion of scrimmage, but your foot
still on it. You're good to go, you know what
I mean? Like it doesn't have it's hard to be
the full body and just like it's gotta be the
full second that's gone.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I disagree as soon as that clock hits zero, because
there's no snap happening.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
There's no snap.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Now, you know, people are just looking I don't. I
think the Chiefs have certainly gotten plenty of breaks in
the refs, but I think people are now just looking
for reasons.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
But John that that that is egregious there, Like, come on,
I don't, I don't, I don't care if there's what
a grace period I seem I saw play this year.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Every day, man, it happens every week in the NFL. Guys.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The second this is what happened I saw play this year,
the clock literally hit zero. The second it hits zero,
they blew the play dead.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, they look at every game. If you're not game,
they do just because.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
They're looking at the play clock, right, and then they
look to see if the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
If it's not, they blow the whistle. There's no snapping
going on. So if there's no snapping of the.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Ball going on, how do you not blow the play dead.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Snapping going on?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Get it? Yeah? Look again, this is probably one of
those things that could be solved by like using more technology, right.
I mean, we could could probably figure out a way
to like sync it up that they never miss a
delay a game call. But this is just the reality
that they always give that extra second, an extra beat,
and it wasn't a full second. So I don't That's
(26:36):
the last call that I'm worried about. All Right, I
know you're already super boiled up and frustrated. I can
hear it. I can hear it seething through your voice.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Right now, do you want to know the difference though.
That really makes me mad with the Chiefs, especially this year.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, go ahead, because I'm gonna get into the Chiefs
now in a different way, but you go first.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
They literally squeak out all these wins. That is just ridiculous.
Where people hate the Patriots, and I understand.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Why because they dominated everybody the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
The Patriots won all three of the first three Super
Bowls by three points.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay, that is different than it's one. Yes, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But what people hate them because they dominated everybody?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Did they not in the regular season and in the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
They beat Tennessee fifty one to ten, for Christ's sake
in a snowstorm.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
In the playoff games, they may handle people.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And Tom Brady man Patrick Mahomes every chance he got
in the playoffs too, by the way, handled Yeah no,
he beat him in the Super Bowl, and then he
beat him in a conference championship game, like the little
bit he is.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Well, that little bitch is about to pass Tom Brady
and actually already has in a lot of ways. But
for the first seven years of his career, he has
been the better player. When you look at the two
of them, just you know, all PROS MVPs championships. They've
both won three, and now Mahomes has a chance to
win four. And he also is a chance for a
(28:14):
three peat, which Brady never did. And the great irony
of this whole situation is that Tom Brady is gonna
be on the broadcast for the Super Bowl in a
couple of weeks. Here, Randalls, so what do you have
to say about the Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady goat conversation
going on right now?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
There's no way you can even start this now. By
the way, Patrick Mahomes lost to Brady two times in
meaningful games, once in the super Bowl, so he can
never ever be considered the goat over him. Number two,
he beat him in the Super Bowl and the NFC
Championship game, which he won a super Bowl that year,
(28:53):
by the way, against the Rams. Fun fact, h Okay
in his prime in his forty So if you can't
beat a man in your his forties, you can never
be considered the goat.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Okay, Joe Montana with.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
This mysterious four and oh was oh he's foreign and
oh he's four and oh, Brady can never be the goat,
can never be the goat?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Why is it Brady had to retire.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
To become the goat when this dude was winning Super ten,
been to ten Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
This dude's going to his fourth. I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He actually he's going to his fifth. He has a
chance to sorry, correct uh, and he's going to his
fifth in his what his eighth year, his seventh is
a starter. So it's pretty remarkable that he's only missed
two Super Bowls since he's been a starting quarterback. So
you know, I get what you're saying, and your party,
me is is gonna validate you because you're one hundred
(29:54):
percent right when you say that he can never ever
say that he was able to beat Brady when it
mattered most, and he had two chances at it. I mean,
the first one was when he was in the AFC
Title game, didn't do it when Brady was on the
Patriots still, and then the next one was in the
Super Bowl and he didn't do it then either. So
I guess part of me says you're right. Part of
me says there will always be something that Mahomes can
(30:15):
never take from Brady. But it also is hard to
deny the greatness of Patrick Mahomes. It took it took
Brady a very long time to win his fourth Super Bowl.
And what Mahomes is doing right now and a league
that you could argue is better than it was when
Brady was dominated the AFC. I mean, he had to
deal with Manning certainly a lot of years. And I'm
(30:37):
trying to think of the other great teams in the AFC.
The Chargers were really good early on. The Ravens obviously
had some great teams. But right now, I mean, there
is an elite level of quarterbacks in the AFC alone
when you look at Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen,
and it does not seem to matter. Patrick Mahomes just
keeps beating all of them every year. So I'll tend
to agree with you right now. I'll keep it, I'll
(30:58):
keep it partial and keep it us in good. Uh
and good? What's the word I'm looking for. I'll keep
us feeling good, not fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Why can't think of it now? John?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
If he wins ten Super Bowls, obviously, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
What I'm saying, Like you're gonna like at some point
in this life, if he has a good enough career,
no matter what, he did against Tom Brady. You're gonna
have to reanalyze here and say, Okay, he was X
number of years old when he lost to Tom Brady
twice and since then he has dominated. But right there,
we're not there quite yet. I agree, we're not even
(31:35):
the way there.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He needs to see.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
That's the thing, John, that is gonna make this so
exciting because he's gonna literally have to have now a
second half of his career. Players are gonna retire more
I and I get it. Yeah, he lost Tyreek Hill
and now he's going to his second super Bowl without
Tyreek Kill. That that is great, like, congrats, you know
you have a good rookie. But if he can do
(31:58):
it sustained over longevity of eighteen to twenty years, that's
that's where the true goatness and greatness and the comes in.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And by the way, I agree with you because right
now Patrick Mahomes is like kind of Dad Bob. He's
not Tom Brady and taking care of his body like
Brady is. He's not going to be able to play
a forty five or forty six at this rate. But
you know, we still have a long way till we
get there. If we're doing the John Randall Football Exier
experience seventeen years from now. Then we'll figure out who's
(32:31):
the goat. Yeah, the last thing, Randal, I know that
we talked about both games, but I couldn't figure. I
couldn't end the episode today without congratulating you on the
Patriots Drake May being named to the Pro Bowl today.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Oh, I didn't even see that, Johnson. That's that's the thing.
It's like, well, how is he named to the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Like, he's an alternate man? You want to know who
he's replacing?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Who?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh? Yay?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So does he get bonus for that technically then, because
he's considered a Pro bowler?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Now? Uh? Probably here's a fun staff for you, though.
Quarterbacks that made the Pro Bowl as a rookie Patrick
Mahomes No, Lamar Jackson, no, Josh Allen no, Jalen Ertz no,
Drew Brees no, Aaron Rodgers, no, Tom Brady no, Drake May. Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
So does that count? Though? Like when when you is
it gonna say? Honest thing?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Do you know Tyler Huntley was a Pro bowler a
few years ago? What you don't remember that though? I
don't the year that he filled in for the Ravens.
He was named to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Jeez.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So yeah, it's it's a real thing, all right. Well,
that does it for us. We're gonna keep this one short.
We're not gonna talk about the big game yet. There's
too much time between today and then, and even if
we waited until the end of this week to talk
about it still would have been way too much time.
So to hear from Randall again and Randall and I
(34:02):
again sometime the end of next week. We're not gonna
do it too early, obviously, Randal, because we want to
have a closer, be closer to the lines from the
day of. But we'll probably have some special fun games
to play. We'll probably play a special version of Guess
that spread figure out something to do there, and then
for our hard locks, we will probably be picking more
(34:24):
than just the game. But Randal, unless there's anything you
feel like we didn't hit on from those two games
or anything else around the NFL world that happened since
we last spoke a few days ago, we can we
can hold off till there and wait till next week
to talk about the game.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
John, I think that's perfect, man, awesome.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, I hope you enjoy the rest of your night.
I hope our listeners enjoy the rest of their day
and the next couple of weeks before the year from
us again. Randall, I will went to take.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
It away from the year. Goodbye, good bye, good friends, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
We have to watch the Jeep side gain. I hate
them so much, I can't stand it.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I'm praying the egos with egles, with so my friends.
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