February 12, 2025 • 27 mins
On this final episode of the season, John and Randall recap the Super Bowl win by the Eagles, and Randall takes a victory lap considering the way it played out. Plus one final round of one game this season, and a look ahead to next year!
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Everybody. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the final episode of
the season of the John at Randall Football Experience. My
name is John of Know, and with me is my
man Randall minov Randall. It's the last time that we're
gonna be recapping the football this season.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you sad, John?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Of course, I'm sad, But it's a it's a bitter
It's bitter sweet.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know. It's bitter because I.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Love doing this show weekly with you, I love watching football,
I love doing all those things. And it's sweet because
that man Patrick Mames is lore. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I had a feeling you were gonna want to take
a win a winner's lap today based on what went
down on Sunday night, and I can't blame you for
doing so, because it was quite god maybe quite simply
maybe the worst Super Bowl I've ever.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Watched, John, I honestly loved watching every single minute of
that game. It honestly was so fun to watch that
game because all the goat debate before this game was
through the room, and all it took was one tiny
little loss, sorry, one gigantic, ginormous, huge loss by eighteen
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points for that all to be thrown out the window.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, what's kind of absurd is that it should have
been more than eighteen points. You know, it was twenty
four nothing at happen time, And quite honestly, like I
just said, it may have been one of the worst
Super Bowls, if not the worst, that I've watched in
my lifetime. And the only one I can even compare
it to was the Seahawks and Denver Broncos Super Bowl,
the first one that Peyton Manning was on the Broncos for.
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I mean, they trounced them forty three to eight, which
obviously is a bigger differential in final score, but that
game was twenty two to nothing at halftime. And I'm
not trying to compare blowouts here, but it just didn't
feel the same as this one for whatever reason, because
this one was the Chiefs. It was then trying to
go for the three p it was. There was so
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much more in the line for them, it felt like,
and they just completely fell short and fell flat, you know.
And I hate to say it, but we sit here
today and all season long I kind of made excuses
for them, saying, ah, you know what, They're still winning.
In spite of Patrick Mahomes not having a great year,
and then they get to the biggest game of the
season and unfortunately they lay a gigantic dud. So I
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maybe I'm the one who should be apologizing for kind
of willing the Chiefs to this point in the season
when clearly they were unequipped to play in this Super Bowl,
and the fact that they kind of were squeaking by
all season long that luck finally ran out on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
John, It more than ran out on Sunday. I mean,
it was just.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They had a four leaf clover up their ass the
whole season, and it was kind of like Patrick Mahomes
shit it out during the bye week before the Super Bowl. Okay,
that's exactly what happened. I mean, it was so beautiful
to watch him struggle. Okay, because not only and I've
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been sending you all these different stats for the last
couple of days, you know, like how Patrick Mahomes lost
to Brady in the AFC Championship, lost to Brady in
the Super Bowl when he was with Tampa, and then
he lost to Brady again with Brady doing the broadcasting
for the game. So I thought, yeah, I thought that
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was hysterical he's just anytime Brady's in attendance, Patrick Mahomes
should just not show up.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But this is true.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Attendants for the Eagles super Bowls, they have good luck.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah, I know, all right, serious, that's slogan Tom Brady.
Every time he stepped onto the football field in a
Super Bowl and left in the fourth quarter off the field,
his team was winning, his team was winning in the
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fourth quarter, the last time he would step off the field.
And that just didn't happen with Patrick Mahomes and his
two losses. His two losses have been blowouts.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, how is that a goat of all time?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I'll argue back with a couple of things. One,
I mean, yeah, this was not good. And yeah, everybody's
point to the fact that Tom Brady never had a
Super Bowl that was this big of a blowout. But
he did go into a Super Bowl and not beat
the Giants when they were fifteen point favorites after they
were eighteen and zero. I mean, he did go into
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the Super Bowl and not beat the Giants a second time.
There's games in which he is underperformed, just not close
to this scale, obviously. So that's the thing, that's the
thing that the Rats fans are going to jump on
here because you are right now in fact, right, you
can have the last laugh. And the fact is that
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Mahomes will never be able to beat Brady because they're
never gonna have another head to head in that spot.
I think he did beat him once in the regular season, right,
but it wasn't in.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
The playoffs, correct, And there was some questionable calls in
that Yeah, speaking.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Of questionable calls, it looked like we were gonna get
another one of those kinds of games on that first
drive because you had the aj Brown quote unquote push
off on offensive PI that wiped out a big game
for him in a first down, and I you know,
everybody was sitting in the room with them watching. We
all had the same reaction, like, yo, man, you got
to kidne me. The Chiefs are doing it right now
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in broad daylight. And that happened on the first on
the first drive, and after that it was just completely
the other way around. And I don't mean the other
way around, like the Chiefs got bad calls. I mean
the other way around, like they just couldn't do anything
in the game, and nor did they get any help
from the referees there might have been one really bad
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missed call against Mahomes where he got hit in the face,
but I mean, in the grand scheme of this game,
that did not mean anything for the end result.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
No, As soon as it happened, I texted you John,
I'm like, not this crap starting already, because it was
a key play.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Not only was it for a massive first down, but it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Was fourth and three, and I couldn't believe they were
taking a shot like that downfield because Tekwan Barkley, I'm
not sure if you remember seeing he was open right
in the middle of the field, right round the first
down marker and nobody was near him there. But then
there was like one questionable call that went the Eagles way,
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like I believe. I'm not sure if it was the
next possession for the Chiefs or if it was two
possessions later. But other than that, I mean, it was
just they didn't stand a chance all night. So the
way when you lay a beat down like that on
a team, you take the refs out of it, man,
like it just you don't even talk about the refs
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when it's games like that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So a couple things. Obviously, you won on the final
hard lock of the season because you picked the Eagles,
but more so, you almost pulled off that ridiculous alternate
line point spread that you were suggesting. I believe you
said Eagles minus twenty and they probably should have won
by twenty. But in fact, the Chiefs were able to
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get up and backdoor cover, as you said to me
before we started recording, at eighteen points. So why don't
you give me a little bit of idea how you
were feeling about that minus twenty as this game was
going on.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, John, I got it at like plus twenty eight hundred, man,
I thought I had. Honest, I really want to know
what Vegas would have had it at, because you know,
when you go to the alternate lines, I think the
highest you could probably get is minus seven or minus city.
I really want to know when minus twenty would have been.
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But yeah, like you said, backdoor cover, it was a
bunch of garbage points. The Eagles didn't care. In the
fourth quarter, they they the Eagles doused Nick Sirianni gatorade
before the game was even over, before the Chiefs even
had their final possession of the game. I mean, this
thing was so long gone. The guys didn't care. They
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were just like, hey, I just don't want to get hurt.
We'll just play a little fun and we're gonna be
celebrating the night.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, the thing that goes unnoticed in this whole thing
is that Kenny Pickett played in his first Super Bowl
because they were up by so many points that he
got out there.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
In complete pass. But he got out there.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah he did, and he did get one past tempt
didn't complete it. Unfortunate for him. Where do the Chiefs
go from here?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Randall?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I mean, what do you see kind of happening? And
can if you can take yourself out of you know,
your biased self here for a second and just give
me a thought of as an unbiased football observer, where
do the Chiefs go next?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Honestly, they they need a lot of help, John, Yeah, okay,
like they need.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
A lot of help in the sense of where are
they going? Okay? Is Travis Kelcey coming back? I mean
he didn't look great.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He's and I know he had not the best year,
but he still had eight hundred yards only three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But that's not what you want out of him.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean, it depends what he's gonna be taking up
cap space y, But they need a lot of help,
maybe something on the offensive line. But we've seen this
story before. We thought they were done once Tyreek Hill
left and then obviously they won the back to back
But this this looks like a different team, John, This
looks like a team that that's not gonna win the
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division next year.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So you're already starting this campaign again, Okay, started early,
started early, start often. Yeah, I agree. I think like
it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with Travis Kelcey.
I think most that's where the most the attention is
going to go here, obviously, because if he's not back,
what do they look like h offensively? And yeah, he
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has not been great the last few years, and they've
kind of accounted for him being the steady player in
the offense while the rest of the receivers have kind
of changed around the homes. Well, you know, if he's
not there, I don't know what that position looks like.
Noah Gray has been productive in the backup role, but
I don't know if that means that he instantly becomes
productive in a starting role for them at tight end.
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And beyond that, you know, they should expect to get
Rashid Rice back at some point. You know, his legal
troubles maybewithstanding. Whether or not he ends up being suspended
for anything that took place before this past season with
that car racing situation is you know, beyond me whether
or not that happens, but he should be back from
his injury, and he was having a great start to
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the year before he got injured. The rest of that
group is always very weird to me, you know, Juju Smith,
Schuster and DeAndre Hopkins and whoever else, the random collection
of people that they have this year. So yeah, I
don't really know where they go either. I think that
they're still gonna be one of the great teams in
the league. I would still bet on them to win
the division, even with the Chargers and the Broncos kind
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of upcoming, and who knows what the Raiders look like
next season. But I would not, you know, venture to
say that they're done yet. And I would also venture
to say that you have to still tread lightly in
this whole uh Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes debate, because while
Patriots fans and Tom Brady truthers such as yourself, Randall
have been able to breathe a little bit easier the
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last few days because he wasn't able to pull off
the three peat. The numbers are still pretty comparable for
the first few years of their career.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And in fact, you know, Brady had a gap there
where he didn't go to a super Bowl for a
long time before winning his fourth. Right, So Mahomes is
already at three.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I think it was a ten year It was a
ten year gap, I believe on the winning Yeah, from.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
The four to thirteen or four to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah like that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, but you had you had the two giants ones
in between.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
But yeah, here's the thing, here's my last point and
then I'll let you rebuttal is that Mahomes is going
to have to if he wants to have this comparison,
He's gonna have to do a lot of his winning
now because the chances of him going that long and
then still winning four in the back half of his
career like Tom Brady did is pretty slim. You know,
now's the time for him to get it done.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, one hundred percent. Now is the time he needs
to get it done.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
But the other thing too, is I but even in
those first five, so both are three and two, right, Yeah,
when you look at the first five Super Bowls for Mahomes,
first five for Brady, Brady's numbers in those five, even
with the two losses, are much better. And then the
next five Super Bowls Brady just went beast mode and
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juiced everything up and change the way he was just throwing.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Lights out of the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right, But Mahomes in five Super Bowls has double the
amount of interceptions that Brady.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Had in the Super Bowl? Okay, so how can he ever? Like?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I just, I just even if he wins the same amount, John,
it goes back to what you said, he's never beaten
Tom Brady. So if they finished with the same Brady
had better Super Bowl numbers and.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You win the head to head, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be tough no matter what. Like,
the chance of him winning seven are very slim still
even at three at with his current age, because a
lot of things are gonna have to go right for
a long time for him to have the chance to
win four more. And luckily, you know, we're gonna have
these chances to debate this over the course of time.
I don't know if you and I are still gonna
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be doing a show together in ten years when he
has a chance maybe to win his tenth Super Bowl
or something. But you know, well, I'm sure we'll talk
about it over the course of time, but I show
together next year at this point, because you're threatening, you know,
threatening to leave.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know, John, you see it with athletes. We we
all the time, man, you know we saw it. You
saw it with Jimmy Butler in Miami. You know, me
and Jimmy got sat down talking. He wanted out of Miami,
caused the little drama, and look what he got.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
He got the bag. Okay, it's not it's not by
the state.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
No, I want to go to Felgar and mash John
or Zolak and Bertrand Okay, I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
They don't want to.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They don't want I would think that you were there
to make them balloon animals.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They don't want to. JABEBRONI like me joining the squad.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They but but on another note, John, On another note,
Mahomes his numbers this season were not great. Yeah, right,
Like he wasn't throwing for many yards per game, the
touchdowns weren't there. The pixure up so this all kind
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of comes full circle with crappy season, lucky wins, and
boom it showed on the biggest stage of the game,
and I think Andy Reid losing like that again in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So much for a.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Best guy off of Bye Yeah, best guy off of
buye in the regular season.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Maybe yeah, Well, you know what it happens. You know,
like we just said, the Patriots obviously didn't win everyone
that they went to with Brady, but it is going
to be fun to kind of track this over the
course of Mahomes' career. Obviously, I know that Patriots fans
kind of reveled in the fact that they got to
listen to Brady call it as well, which you made
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mention of earlier, because he was on the broadcast and
while he didn't seem like he is having maybe the
best start to the game, it seemed like he kind
of was picking up his win as the game got
on there, which makes sense because he was probably getting
happier and happier the more he realized that the Patriots
or the sorry that the Chiefs were not going to
pull it off. So anyway, I think I think the
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one thing that what was the one thing that I
was just thinking of that. I wanted to mention to
you about oh the the other God. Now I'm gonna
forget what the last thing I wanted to mention about
this game was anyway, Oh the halftime show. Of course,
how could I forget so the halftime show, Kendrick Lamar,
you were just telling me before we started recording that
you weren't the biggest.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Fan of this I wasn't man, and I like some
of kendricks stuff. We talked about that too, some of
his older stuff. I like like that song that everybody
was waiting for. He teased it a little and then okay,
final not like us finally finally played it. But all
the other stuff nobody knew. I want to sing along
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with you at your halftime show. I wanted to be
a Hall of Fame or put it on a performance.
Kendrick Lamar, in my book, is not a Hall of
Fame artist. He brought out Serena Williams to take a
shot at Drake. Every single thing was a shot at Drake, Like, hey,
you know what all the power too you? You just
took a shot at a man on national TV in
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the most watched event in Super Bowl history like it.
Incredible job. Hats off to you there. Your boy jay
Z got you this performance, so you could do it okay.
But other than that, the performance itself stunk. My dude
was wearing girl jeans. They look comfy, don't get me wrong,
but the way they flaring at the bottom there come on.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Not a fan.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
No, the whole outfit that everything was not a fan.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Uh yeah, So I sort of agree with what you're saying.
I can. I definitely see what you're saying as far
as you know, playing stuff that maybe people didn't want
to hear. I will say I'm maybe a little bit
bigger fan of his overall than you are, which I
think helps because I did know some of the other
stuff a little bit better than probably the average fan.
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But I will also agree with you that he really
didn't play any of his bigger tracks that people have
become so accustomed to hearing over the years, such as
the Mad City Tracks, Backseat Freestyle, Swimming Pools. He has
so many songs that over the years have become kind of,
I don't want to say iconic, but they've become those
songs that if you're gonna hear him played, you're gonna
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hear those, and he played a lot of deeper tracks
that maybe newer, and certainly the whole thing was kind
of designed to take a shot at Drake, which was
fun in its own way, but it also was kind
of overkill. So I see what you're saying. I was.
I know you wanted a little Wayne there because he's
from New Orleans, but you know, to me, I didn't
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mind Kendrick, and I think it was bad. I just
think that I understand why people were looking for more
or something different.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You know, I get that, John, I understand your blindness
on the situation.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay, all right, so let's take our first look ahead
to next season now and talk about what some things
that we might want to see or that we think
we could see this offseason. Doesn't have to be anything
too specific or crazy random, but I mean, what are
you looking forward to this offseason and and what maybe
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do you expect or want to see happen next year.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well, what I want to see, John, is I want
to see the Patriots win some games again.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Like I'm really.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Excited going into this upcoming season. I want to see
them kill it in the draft where they're getting some
great wide receivers, some great offensive linemen. I want to
see those things. Okay, that's that's what I want to see.
I also want to see the Jets continue to struggle
and not know what's going on. I want to see
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the Cowboys be a little bit more relevant. But I
also want to see my man, Kellen Moore get a
quarterback down there in New Orleans. Derek Carry isn't isn't
isn't the guy anymore, So they need to find somebody
in this draft potentially and get him signed up.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, that's a We didn't talk about Kellen Moore, but
he got hired to the Saints. It's gonna be interesting
to see. They didn't let him leave New Orleans after
he won the Super Bowl there with the Eagles. It
will be interesting to see kind of where he goes
from a quarterback perspective. From the Rams perspective, I mean,
this might be the last time I get to talk
about them as having Matthew Stafford as their quarterback and
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maybe with Cooper Cup on their roster. I really hope
it's not the case, especially the Stafford thing. I can
understand if they end up making a move to get
rid of Cup. While I wouldn't like it or necessarily
think that it's great for the team outlook. I would
understand it from a money standpoint. However, with Stafford, I
feel like at this point, if you're the Rams, kind
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of reevaluate the way you're thinking about this, because they
just were two games away from potentially winning a Super
Bowl this year. If they had gotten by the Eagles,
and they could have possibly gotten by Washington, who knows
what would have happened against Kansas City. Obviously I'm taking
some big leaps there, but they weren't very far and
they maybe gave the Eagles the most competition they saw
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all off season. So to me, it seems obvious that
your best choice is to keep Stafford and uh and
just extend him, give him a new contract for a
couple of years. Doesn't have to be a five year deal,
but a two year deal where he's making ample money,
where he feels respected, and then build the rest of
the team around him. I know it's not gonna be
easy with the cap restraints that you might be looking at,
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but the cap is going up every year. So this
is my plea to the Rams to keep Matthew Stafford
and try to figure out if you can keep Cooper
Cup as well, but the very least keep my quarterback,
give us another chance to win the Super Bowl the
next couple of years. And if you want to draft somebody,
draft you know, Jackson dart or Jalen Milroe late in
the first round and then just let him sit for
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a year or two.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean I think that. Yeah, Bet that makes sense. John.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
All right, Well, I'm glad you're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
As me here. I am all right. Randall.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, it's unfortunately it's not going to be a very
long episode obviously, because there was only the Super Bowl
to recap, and going into this offseason, you know, we
will maybe, I'm sure we will chat and maybe have
an episode at some point in April before the draft,
after some free agency has taken place. I don't know,
did you do a Word of the Day today? We
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were kind of joking around before the show. I don't
know if you did it or not.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Joh, what did I tell you? John? I told you
I had a word. Okay, I had a word last
week last week.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I told you on last week's show, I had a
word for this week already picked out.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
All right, So I'm gonna guess that it was you
said gil No, not when you said Gilligan's Island, but
you said something right before.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
That, Killing's Island. I never mentioned Killing's Island.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You said something like Gillian's Island. God, I'm I'm blanking now,
but I had it in my head. It was like
a fake number. I don't know. Just tell me what
it was.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It was not a fake number, John, Let's let's find
out what the word is. Well, John, you mean to
tell me those guys wouldn't liked a Gabbroni like me
working with them?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It was I heard, and I didn't didn't plan on,
didn't plan on guessing that because I figured you you
answered something that I was specifically asking. So for you
to have worked it in was pretty good right there,
So I'll give you credit.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Thank you, John.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I I was planning on calling Patrick Mahomes a Gabbroni,
but then I'm like, you know what, he might might
see this one coming, so I'm just gonna kind of
push it to the side and go with calling myself
at JABRONI.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, okay, Well, I'm glad you didn't call me one
because that would have been very, very disrespectful. But I'm
glad you did win the final word of the day
of the season, Randal, and you can take that into
your off season.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Not only did I win the final word of the day,
but also winning the final hard lock and locking that
thing in easily. I mean, woof, what a way going
out on a high note. This is where contract extensions
John happened with stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm gonna have to make sure
that my agent. My agent goes to bad for me,
but he's gonna have a hard time when he's looking
at your statistics from the season, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We're gonna definitely have to do a draft one, yeah,
for the season, because there's gonna there's gonna be so
much movement in this.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Draft that we're gonna we're gonna have a lot to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, those top quarterbacks are gonna be interesting. Travis Hunter
is gonna be interesting. If anybody makes a trade, it
will be interesting. So yeah, I'm excited for for next
season already. It's always so bittersweet when we get to
this point because it does mean that we're gonna have
less football to talk about, obviously, because there's no football
happening in real time, but it's always It's crazy how
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fast it always goes. So I feel like, you know,
a couple of months from now, it'll be April, we'll
have the draft. A couple months after that it'll be
mini camps, and then before you know it, it will
be August in September and time for football game. So Randall,
I bid you farewell for one final time this season,
and go ahead and take it away.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Hey, John, this was really fun. I hope you liked
it too.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Seems like we've just begun, but finally we're through. Goodbye, goodbye,
good friends, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
This is the end of the PAS season.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
The e goes one and our championions and Patrick Mahomes
stinks a lot, stinks a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So a long friends, it's me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
We'll see you next season. Never Wady
What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Everybody. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the final episode of
the season of the John at Randall Football Experience. My
name is John of Know, and with me is my
man Randall minov Randall. It's the last time that we're
gonna be recapping the football this season.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you sad, John?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Of course, I'm sad, But it's a it's a bitter
It's bitter sweet.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know. It's bitter because I.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Love doing this show weekly with you, I love watching football,
I love doing all those things. And it's sweet because
that man Patrick Mames is lore. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I had a feeling you were gonna want to take
a win a winner's lap today based on what went
down on Sunday night, and I can't blame you for
doing so, because it was quite god maybe quite simply
maybe the worst Super Bowl I've ever.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Watched, John, I honestly loved watching every single minute of
that game. It honestly was so fun to watch that
game because all the goat debate before this game was
through the room, and all it took was one tiny
little loss, sorry, one gigantic, ginormous, huge loss by eighteen
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points for that all to be thrown out the window.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, what's kind of absurd is that it should have
been more than eighteen points. You know, it was twenty
four nothing at happen time, And quite honestly, like I
just said, it may have been one of the worst
Super Bowls, if not the worst, that I've watched in
my lifetime. And the only one I can even compare
it to was the Seahawks and Denver Broncos Super Bowl,
the first one that Peyton Manning was on the Broncos for.
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I mean, they trounced them forty three to eight, which
obviously is a bigger differential in final score, but that
game was twenty two to nothing at halftime. And I'm
not trying to compare blowouts here, but it just didn't
feel the same as this one for whatever reason, because
this one was the Chiefs. It was then trying to
go for the three p it was. There was so
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much more in the line for them, it felt like,
and they just completely fell short and fell flat, you know.
And I hate to say it, but we sit here
today and all season long I kind of made excuses
for them, saying, ah, you know what, They're still winning.
In spite of Patrick Mahomes not having a great year,
and then they get to the biggest game of the
season and unfortunately they lay a gigantic dud. So I
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maybe I'm the one who should be apologizing for kind
of willing the Chiefs to this point in the season
when clearly they were unequipped to play in this Super Bowl,
and the fact that they kind of were squeaking by
all season long that luck finally ran out on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
John, It more than ran out on Sunday. I mean,
it was just.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They had a four leaf clover up their ass the
whole season, and it was kind of like Patrick Mahomes
shit it out during the bye week before the Super Bowl. Okay,
that's exactly what happened. I mean, it was so beautiful
to watch him struggle. Okay, because not only and I've
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been sending you all these different stats for the last
couple of days, you know, like how Patrick Mahomes lost
to Brady in the AFC Championship, lost to Brady in
the Super Bowl when he was with Tampa, and then
he lost to Brady again with Brady doing the broadcasting
for the game. So I thought, yeah, I thought that
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was hysterical he's just anytime Brady's in attendance, Patrick Mahomes
should just not show up.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But this is true.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Attendants for the Eagles super Bowls, they have good luck.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah, I know, all right, serious, that's slogan Tom Brady.
Every time he stepped onto the football field in a
Super Bowl and left in the fourth quarter off the field,
his team was winning, his team was winning in the
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fourth quarter, the last time he would step off the field.
And that just didn't happen with Patrick Mahomes and his
two losses. His two losses have been blowouts.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, how is that a goat of all time?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I'll argue back with a couple of things. One,
I mean, yeah, this was not good. And yeah, everybody's
point to the fact that Tom Brady never had a
Super Bowl that was this big of a blowout. But
he did go into a Super Bowl and not beat
the Giants when they were fifteen point favorites after they
were eighteen and zero. I mean, he did go into
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the Super Bowl and not beat the Giants a second time.
There's games in which he is underperformed, just not close
to this scale, obviously. So that's the thing, that's the
thing that the Rats fans are going to jump on
here because you are right now in fact, right, you
can have the last laugh. And the fact is that
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Mahomes will never be able to beat Brady because they're
never gonna have another head to head in that spot.
I think he did beat him once in the regular season, right,
but it wasn't in.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
The playoffs, correct, And there was some questionable calls in
that Yeah, speaking.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Of questionable calls, it looked like we were gonna get
another one of those kinds of games on that first
drive because you had the aj Brown quote unquote push
off on offensive PI that wiped out a big game
for him in a first down, and I you know,
everybody was sitting in the room with them watching. We
all had the same reaction, like, yo, man, you got
to kidne me. The Chiefs are doing it right now
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in broad daylight. And that happened on the first on
the first drive, and after that it was just completely
the other way around. And I don't mean the other
way around, like the Chiefs got bad calls. I mean
the other way around, like they just couldn't do anything
in the game, and nor did they get any help
from the referees there might have been one really bad
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missed call against Mahomes where he got hit in the face,
but I mean, in the grand scheme of this game,
that did not mean anything for the end result.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
No, As soon as it happened, I texted you John,
I'm like, not this crap starting already, because it was
a key play.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Not only was it for a massive first down, but it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Was fourth and three, and I couldn't believe they were
taking a shot like that downfield because Tekwan Barkley, I'm
not sure if you remember seeing he was open right
in the middle of the field, right round the first
down marker and nobody was near him there. But then
there was like one questionable call that went the Eagles way,
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like I believe. I'm not sure if it was the
next possession for the Chiefs or if it was two
possessions later. But other than that, I mean, it was
just they didn't stand a chance all night. So the
way when you lay a beat down like that on
a team, you take the refs out of it, man,
like it just you don't even talk about the refs
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when it's games like that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So a couple things. Obviously, you won on the final
hard lock of the season because you picked the Eagles,
but more so, you almost pulled off that ridiculous alternate
line point spread that you were suggesting. I believe you
said Eagles minus twenty and they probably should have won
by twenty. But in fact, the Chiefs were able to
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get up and backdoor cover, as you said to me
before we started recording, at eighteen points. So why don't
you give me a little bit of idea how you
were feeling about that minus twenty as this game was
going on.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, John, I got it at like plus twenty eight hundred, man,
I thought I had. Honest, I really want to know
what Vegas would have had it at, because you know,
when you go to the alternate lines, I think the
highest you could probably get is minus seven or minus city.
I really want to know when minus twenty would have been.
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But yeah, like you said, backdoor cover, it was a
bunch of garbage points. The Eagles didn't care. In the
fourth quarter, they they the Eagles doused Nick Sirianni gatorade
before the game was even over, before the Chiefs even
had their final possession of the game. I mean, this
thing was so long gone. The guys didn't care. They
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were just like, hey, I just don't want to get hurt.
We'll just play a little fun and we're gonna be
celebrating the night.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, the thing that goes unnoticed in this whole thing
is that Kenny Pickett played in his first Super Bowl
because they were up by so many points that he
got out there.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
In complete pass. But he got out there.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah he did, and he did get one past tempt
didn't complete it. Unfortunate for him. Where do the Chiefs
go from here?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Randall?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I mean, what do you see kind of happening? And
can if you can take yourself out of you know,
your biased self here for a second and just give
me a thought of as an unbiased football observer, where
do the Chiefs go next?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Honestly, they they need a lot of help, John, Yeah, okay,
like they need.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
A lot of help in the sense of where are
they going? Okay? Is Travis Kelcey coming back? I mean
he didn't look great.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He's and I know he had not the best year,
but he still had eight hundred yards only three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But that's not what you want out of him.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean, it depends what he's gonna be taking up
cap space y, But they need a lot of help,
maybe something on the offensive line. But we've seen this
story before. We thought they were done once Tyreek Hill
left and then obviously they won the back to back
But this this looks like a different team, John, This
looks like a team that that's not gonna win the
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division next year.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So you're already starting this campaign again, Okay, started early,
started early, start often. Yeah, I agree. I think like
it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with Travis Kelcey.
I think most that's where the most the attention is
going to go here, obviously, because if he's not back,
what do they look like h offensively? And yeah, he
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has not been great the last few years, and they've
kind of accounted for him being the steady player in
the offense while the rest of the receivers have kind
of changed around the homes. Well, you know, if he's
not there, I don't know what that position looks like.
Noah Gray has been productive in the backup role, but
I don't know if that means that he instantly becomes
productive in a starting role for them at tight end.
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And beyond that, you know, they should expect to get
Rashid Rice back at some point. You know, his legal
troubles maybewithstanding. Whether or not he ends up being suspended
for anything that took place before this past season with
that car racing situation is you know, beyond me whether
or not that happens, but he should be back from
his injury, and he was having a great start to
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the year before he got injured. The rest of that
group is always very weird to me, you know, Juju Smith,
Schuster and DeAndre Hopkins and whoever else, the random collection
of people that they have this year. So yeah, I
don't really know where they go either. I think that
they're still gonna be one of the great teams in
the league. I would still bet on them to win
the division, even with the Chargers and the Broncos kind
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of upcoming, and who knows what the Raiders look like
next season. But I would not, you know, venture to
say that they're done yet. And I would also venture
to say that you have to still tread lightly in
this whole uh Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes debate, because while
Patriots fans and Tom Brady truthers such as yourself, Randall
have been able to breathe a little bit easier the
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last few days because he wasn't able to pull off
the three peat. The numbers are still pretty comparable for
the first few years of their career.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And in fact, you know, Brady had a gap there
where he didn't go to a super Bowl for a
long time before winning his fourth. Right, So Mahomes is
already at three.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I think it was a ten year It was a
ten year gap, I believe on the winning Yeah, from.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
The four to thirteen or four to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah like that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, but you had you had the two giants ones
in between.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
But yeah, here's the thing, here's my last point and
then I'll let you rebuttal is that Mahomes is going
to have to if he wants to have this comparison,
He's gonna have to do a lot of his winning
now because the chances of him going that long and
then still winning four in the back half of his
career like Tom Brady did is pretty slim. You know,
now's the time for him to get it done.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, one hundred percent. Now is the time he needs
to get it done.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
But the other thing too, is I but even in
those first five, so both are three and two, right, Yeah,
when you look at the first five Super Bowls for Mahomes,
first five for Brady, Brady's numbers in those five, even
with the two losses, are much better. And then the
next five Super Bowls Brady just went beast mode and
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juiced everything up and change the way he was just throwing.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Lights out of the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right, But Mahomes in five Super Bowls has double the
amount of interceptions that Brady.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Had in the Super Bowl? Okay, so how can he ever? Like?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I just, I just even if he wins the same amount, John,
it goes back to what you said, he's never beaten
Tom Brady. So if they finished with the same Brady
had better Super Bowl numbers and.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You win the head to head, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be tough no matter what. Like,
the chance of him winning seven are very slim still
even at three at with his current age, because a
lot of things are gonna have to go right for
a long time for him to have the chance to
win four more. And luckily, you know, we're gonna have
these chances to debate this over the course of time.
I don't know if you and I are still gonna
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be doing a show together in ten years when he
has a chance maybe to win his tenth Super Bowl
or something. But you know, well, I'm sure we'll talk
about it over the course of time, but I show
together next year at this point, because you're threatening, you know,
threatening to leave.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know, John, you see it with athletes. We we
all the time, man, you know we saw it. You
saw it with Jimmy Butler in Miami. You know, me
and Jimmy got sat down talking. He wanted out of Miami,
caused the little drama, and look what he got.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
He got the bag. Okay, it's not it's not by
the state.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
No, I want to go to Felgar and mash John
or Zolak and Bertrand Okay, I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
They don't want to.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They don't want I would think that you were there
to make them balloon animals.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They don't want to. JABEBRONI like me joining the squad.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They but but on another note, John, On another note,
Mahomes his numbers this season were not great. Yeah, right,
Like he wasn't throwing for many yards per game, the
touchdowns weren't there. The pixure up so this all kind
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of comes full circle with crappy season, lucky wins, and
boom it showed on the biggest stage of the game,
and I think Andy Reid losing like that again in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So much for a.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Best guy off of Bye Yeah, best guy off of
buye in the regular season.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Maybe yeah, Well, you know what it happens. You know,
like we just said, the Patriots obviously didn't win everyone
that they went to with Brady, but it is going
to be fun to kind of track this over the
course of Mahomes' career. Obviously, I know that Patriots fans
kind of reveled in the fact that they got to
listen to Brady call it as well, which you made
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mention of earlier, because he was on the broadcast and
while he didn't seem like he is having maybe the
best start to the game, it seemed like he kind
of was picking up his win as the game got
on there, which makes sense because he was probably getting
happier and happier the more he realized that the Patriots
or the sorry that the Chiefs were not going to
pull it off. So anyway, I think I think the
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one thing that what was the one thing that I
was just thinking of that. I wanted to mention to
you about oh the the other God. Now I'm gonna
forget what the last thing I wanted to mention about
this game was anyway, Oh the halftime show. Of course,
how could I forget so the halftime show, Kendrick Lamar,
you were just telling me before we started recording that
you weren't the biggest.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Fan of this I wasn't man, and I like some
of kendricks stuff. We talked about that too, some of
his older stuff. I like like that song that everybody
was waiting for. He teased it a little and then okay,
final not like us finally finally played it. But all
the other stuff nobody knew. I want to sing along
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with you at your halftime show. I wanted to be
a Hall of Fame or put it on a performance.
Kendrick Lamar, in my book, is not a Hall of
Fame artist. He brought out Serena Williams to take a
shot at Drake. Every single thing was a shot at Drake, Like, hey,
you know what all the power too you? You just
took a shot at a man on national TV in
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the most watched event in Super Bowl history like it.
Incredible job. Hats off to you there. Your boy jay
Z got you this performance, so you could do it okay.
But other than that, the performance itself stunk. My dude
was wearing girl jeans. They look comfy, don't get me wrong,
but the way they flaring at the bottom there come on.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Not a fan.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
No, the whole outfit that everything was not a fan.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Uh yeah, So I sort of agree with what you're saying.
I can. I definitely see what you're saying as far
as you know, playing stuff that maybe people didn't want
to hear. I will say I'm maybe a little bit
bigger fan of his overall than you are, which I
think helps because I did know some of the other
stuff a little bit better than probably the average fan.
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But I will also agree with you that he really
didn't play any of his bigger tracks that people have
become so accustomed to hearing over the years, such as
the Mad City Tracks, Backseat Freestyle, Swimming Pools. He has
so many songs that over the years have become kind of,
I don't want to say iconic, but they've become those
songs that if you're gonna hear him played, you're gonna
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hear those, and he played a lot of deeper tracks
that maybe newer, and certainly the whole thing was kind
of designed to take a shot at Drake, which was
fun in its own way, but it also was kind
of overkill. So I see what you're saying. I was.
I know you wanted a little Wayne there because he's
from New Orleans, but you know, to me, I didn't
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mind Kendrick, and I think it was bad. I just
think that I understand why people were looking for more
or something different.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You know, I get that, John, I understand your blindness
on the situation.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay, all right, so let's take our first look ahead
to next season now and talk about what some things
that we might want to see or that we think
we could see this offseason. Doesn't have to be anything
too specific or crazy random, but I mean, what are
you looking forward to this offseason and and what maybe
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do you expect or want to see happen next year.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well, what I want to see, John, is I want
to see the Patriots win some games again.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Like I'm really.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Excited going into this upcoming season. I want to see
them kill it in the draft where they're getting some
great wide receivers, some great offensive linemen. I want to
see those things. Okay, that's that's what I want to see.
I also want to see the Jets continue to struggle
and not know what's going on. I want to see
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the Cowboys be a little bit more relevant. But I
also want to see my man, Kellen Moore get a
quarterback down there in New Orleans. Derek Carry isn't isn't
isn't the guy anymore, So they need to find somebody
in this draft potentially and get him signed up.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, that's a We didn't talk about Kellen Moore, but
he got hired to the Saints. It's gonna be interesting
to see. They didn't let him leave New Orleans after
he won the Super Bowl there with the Eagles. It
will be interesting to see kind of where he goes
from a quarterback perspective. From the Rams perspective, I mean,
this might be the last time I get to talk
about them as having Matthew Stafford as their quarterback and
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maybe with Cooper Cup on their roster. I really hope
it's not the case, especially the Stafford thing. I can
understand if they end up making a move to get
rid of Cup. While I wouldn't like it or necessarily
think that it's great for the team outlook. I would
understand it from a money standpoint. However, with Stafford, I
feel like at this point, if you're the Rams, kind
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of reevaluate the way you're thinking about this, because they
just were two games away from potentially winning a Super
Bowl this year. If they had gotten by the Eagles,
and they could have possibly gotten by Washington, who knows
what would have happened against Kansas City. Obviously I'm taking
some big leaps there, but they weren't very far and
they maybe gave the Eagles the most competition they saw
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all off season. So to me, it seems obvious that
your best choice is to keep Stafford and uh and
just extend him, give him a new contract for a
couple of years. Doesn't have to be a five year deal,
but a two year deal where he's making ample money,
where he feels respected, and then build the rest of
the team around him. I know it's not gonna be
easy with the cap restraints that you might be looking at,
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but the cap is going up every year. So this
is my plea to the Rams to keep Matthew Stafford
and try to figure out if you can keep Cooper
Cup as well, but the very least keep my quarterback,
give us another chance to win the Super Bowl the
next couple of years. And if you want to draft somebody,
draft you know, Jackson dart or Jalen Milroe late in
the first round and then just let him sit for
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a year or two.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean I think that. Yeah, Bet that makes sense. John.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
All right, Well, I'm glad you're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
As me here. I am all right. Randall.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, it's unfortunately it's not going to be a very
long episode obviously, because there was only the Super Bowl
to recap, and going into this offseason, you know, we
will maybe, I'm sure we will chat and maybe have
an episode at some point in April before the draft,
after some free agency has taken place. I don't know,
did you do a Word of the Day today? We
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were kind of joking around before the show. I don't
know if you did it or not.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Joh, what did I tell you? John? I told you
I had a word. Okay, I had a word last
week last week.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I told you on last week's show, I had a
word for this week already picked out.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
All right, So I'm gonna guess that it was you
said gil No, not when you said Gilligan's Island, but
you said something right before.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
That, Killing's Island. I never mentioned Killing's Island.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You said something like Gillian's Island. God, I'm I'm blanking now,
but I had it in my head. It was like
a fake number. I don't know. Just tell me what
it was.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It was not a fake number, John, Let's let's find
out what the word is. Well, John, you mean to
tell me those guys wouldn't liked a Gabbroni like me
working with them?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It was I heard, and I didn't didn't plan on,
didn't plan on guessing that because I figured you you
answered something that I was specifically asking. So for you
to have worked it in was pretty good right there,
So I'll give you credit.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Thank you, John.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I I was planning on calling Patrick Mahomes a Gabbroni,
but then I'm like, you know what, he might might
see this one coming, so I'm just gonna kind of
push it to the side and go with calling myself
at JABRONI.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, okay, Well, I'm glad you didn't call me one
because that would have been very, very disrespectful. But I'm
glad you did win the final word of the day
of the season, Randal, and you can take that into
your off season.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Not only did I win the final word of the day,
but also winning the final hard lock and locking that
thing in easily. I mean, woof, what a way going
out on a high note. This is where contract extensions
John happened with stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm gonna have to make sure
that my agent. My agent goes to bad for me,
but he's gonna have a hard time when he's looking
at your statistics from the season, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We're gonna definitely have to do a draft one, yeah,
for the season, because there's gonna there's gonna be so
much movement in this.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Draft that we're gonna we're gonna have a lot to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, those top quarterbacks are gonna be interesting. Travis Hunter
is gonna be interesting. If anybody makes a trade, it
will be interesting. So yeah, I'm excited for for next
season already. It's always so bittersweet when we get to
this point because it does mean that we're gonna have
less football to talk about, obviously, because there's no football
happening in real time, but it's always It's crazy how
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fast it always goes. So I feel like, you know,
a couple of months from now, it'll be April, we'll
have the draft. A couple months after that it'll be
mini camps, and then before you know it, it will
be August in September and time for football game. So Randall,
I bid you farewell for one final time this season,
and go ahead and take it away.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Hey, John, this was really fun. I hope you liked
it too.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Seems like we've just begun, but finally we're through. Goodbye, goodbye,
good friends, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
This is the end of the PAS season.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
The e goes one and our championions and Patrick Mahomes
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