October 22, 2023 • 8 mins
Recorded statement of (now deceased) witness, Kevin Butler. Note that this information did not make it into the file provided to Danny Goodman from DCSO.
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(00:00):
Hey, Danny, Yeah, Igot someone on the phone that's wanting to
(00:04):
talk to you that's supposedly already givena statement to box and the TV I
are you there? Yep? Ithink it was tv I and that's the
Uh. All right, well whenwhen was it? But you talked to
them? Uh? He was probablya month and a half, two months
after it happened when I talked tohim, because they showed up at my
(00:28):
house one afternoon when I got offwork, and I just said, let
down the table gate, got abeer of a cool and talk to him.
Okay, how did they want tocome to your house? Because when
we uh that morning, me andmy son my if my son I was
gonna take hunting, we heard arun behind the house. So anyways,
(00:51):
we got up a few minutes likehis, right at the break of daylight,
and he said, Daddy, we'regonna run the deer off from going
in. I said, all right, well, it's just run the walmart
and get some dough here in andwe'll hunt this fashion and we'll hunt a
little bit, and we get backand we'll hunt the sassinary. So we
pull out of my road. Wedon't go quarter of a mile I'm not
gonna tell you who I am,but I'm gonna tell you this. I
(01:12):
don't go a quarter of a mill. There's her car. There's a black
truck park at a forty five degreehang on the cross here and gets the
guys kind of backs up too strong. Lane's on the front fender of the
truck. So I slow down becausemy son is dead. He's gonna be
hunting right next to me and startgetting all tuned up. And uh,
(01:33):
so I slowed down, and Iain't gonna lie. I'm cocky shit.
So I was gonna pull in thereand ask him here, he's gonna hunt
right there, right next to causehe's been hunting on actually has been uh,
there's been uh, he'll see lockslaying. But Jerry Locked only did
that the time. I guess nowfor sure, I ain't Jerry Lock on
(01:56):
the land at the time. Idon't Elsie was dead. That was eleven.
But anyways, you guys see meout. I told my son,
no, he's not gonna be hundright there. And anyways, I spoke
down. I'm talking about to arowing stuff and closer I got to the
closer he takes up. He struckput his arm on the hood, and
(02:19):
uh, we just took going offand went back to one on the Walmart.
We come back and it wasn't nobodythere's just that corner. What time
was it? I can just tellyou this. It's about ten minutes after
a breaking daylight? Okay, allright, just like I told you so,
I tell you it's about ten minutesthat's the breaking daylight. Uh.
(02:42):
We went to Walmart that what wewanted, went back and wasn't nobody there.
A few hours later during that dayand there was a ton of people
there and then I swhen I seenuh, Jeff and all of them up
here, and a bunch of copsand uh some gown crutches leaning back next
(03:04):
to a trump. But the gowncrushes was not the same guy that was
there that morning. Okay, doyou know the guy that was there.
I don't know what any of themsome bitch is a little like. And
I don't have the time to takeand look them up and see what they
little like. I'm polaly there,that's just my makee. Hey, but
(03:25):
I did show you picture of yesterday, right, he did? He did?
He did. Was was there onethat you said you felt about seventy.
Yes, I'm sorry. Then thatChristmas party at the farms, I
think that I zoomed in on himand showed him that picture. So that
was that was the picture I showedhim. Was within six months of Karen's
(03:49):
you know, death, So itwas. And I asked him to give
me a percentage of how sure hewas him. He said, seventy.
Okay, so is that is thatright? You're you're about seventy per cent?
Sure? Yes, see, I'mnot gonna lie, yes, sir,
(04:10):
Okay, you're not one hundred nine. I'm I mean I didn't pull
over and ask him what his namebecause and I'm glad I didn't, Helen,
there's already one dead person. Ithas been me and my front to
okay, you know, and yeah, I'm I'm he stirred me down,
(04:30):
and I stirred him down. Howdid the TV I know to come to
your house later? Because accurately,Ah, we seen all them cots and
everything there. All right, Wecalled and I called and reported the man
theres that morning. He ain't theblack truck, Okay, all right?
Then it was it was it wasa month month and a half before they
(04:53):
showed up. They showed up allone afternoon, and each one showed up
in a different vehicle. I'm gonnalie, Hey, did he talk to
you at the sheriff's apartment when youcalled? I do not know, but
they said they would put it onrecord, and anyway, that's all they
said. We put it on record. But I know this that they got
(05:14):
all over his ass because it wouldhave been told to them who did FBI
or whoever was there the FPI TVI they got on who they got on
jail? Okay, but they saythey told them that that's the information they
(05:42):
needed to be before then, notnow. They had about twenty minute talk
with me. Okay, hey,one more thing, can you tell them
what you told me about seeing Jeff? Following Karen, I better not say
all that, all right, welive on a dead end row. I
(06:03):
just said that, and people Idon't know, I said, And that's
what you're s You don't know.You know, we live on dead end
road. Then you know, carsgo down and then they turn and come
out. Her car went down,you know, the bigger one down and
(06:26):
they didn't turn around, go aroundout. But now that was a month
or two months before any of thatever happened. Okay, Yeah, you
know, I can't tell you tothe day till you're talking over ten years
(06:46):
ago, but I can tell youthis. They jumped to his ass right
there, and while I was sittinghome, tail gave him my truck about
everything, okay. And if youwould have shown me a picture right then,
would have pointed it exactly, notseventy percent, one hundred percent.
And if you put him up beside, somebody put him in a tamn line.
(07:09):
I can tell you which one itis. Yeah, all right,
anything else, it ain't no way. I justified. But that was again
making sure I was taking care ofsomebody was gonna make sure that nothing happened
(07:30):
to my babies and me. MOkay. Now, my son even said
he would because he was right inthe truck with me. Like I said,
he tuned up at the time.He was eleven years old. He
was a jewel. Now hunt.So anyways, all of this is less
(07:56):
than a quarter a mile from whereI live. Okay, you got the
sheriff living in a less than quartermile for me too, And I don't
want to be arrest and you knowall that is okay. They should have
records FBI and TB I should averagewhen they came to my house and talk
(08:16):
to me. Okay, is thisthe first you've heard of this? Me?
Yeah, yeah, this isn't inthe file. There's thirty five thousand
pages of that file, so there'sa possibility I might have missed it.
Okay, well we'll go with that. Okay, all right, thank you,
(08:43):
Okay, thanks, anything else that'sit? Okay, Okay, thanks, Okay,
Hey, Danny, Yeah, Igot someone on the phone that's wanting to
(00:04):
talk to you that's supposedly already givena statement to box and the TV I
are you there? Yep? Ithink it was tv I and that's the
Uh. All right, well whenwhen was it? But you talked to
them? Uh? He was probablya month and a half, two months
after it happened when I talked tohim, because they showed up at my
(00:28):
house one afternoon when I got offwork, and I just said, let
down the table gate, got abeer of a cool and talk to him.
Okay, how did they want tocome to your house? Because when
we uh that morning, me andmy son my if my son I was
gonna take hunting, we heard arun behind the house. So anyways,
(00:51):
we got up a few minutes likehis, right at the break of daylight,
and he said, Daddy, we'regonna run the deer off from going
in. I said, all right, well, it's just run the walmart
and get some dough here in andwe'll hunt this fashion and we'll hunt a
little bit, and we get backand we'll hunt the sassinary. So we
pull out of my road. Wedon't go quarter of a mile I'm not
gonna tell you who I am,but I'm gonna tell you this. I
(01:12):
don't go a quarter of a mill. There's her car. There's a black
truck park at a forty five degreehang on the cross here and gets the
guys kind of backs up too strong. Lane's on the front fender of the
truck. So I slow down becausemy son is dead. He's gonna be
hunting right next to me and startgetting all tuned up. And uh,
(01:33):
so I slowed down, and Iain't gonna lie. I'm cocky shit.
So I was gonna pull in thereand ask him here, he's gonna hunt
right there, right next to causehe's been hunting on actually has been uh,
there's been uh, he'll see lockslaying. But Jerry Locked only did
that the time. I guess nowfor sure, I ain't Jerry Lock on
(01:56):
the land at the time. Idon't Elsie was dead. That was eleven.
But anyways, you guys see meout. I told my son,
no, he's not gonna be hundright there. And anyways, I spoke
down. I'm talking about to arowing stuff and closer I got to the
closer he takes up. He struckput his arm on the hood, and
(02:19):
uh, we just took going offand went back to one on the Walmart.
We come back and it wasn't nobodythere's just that corner. What time
was it? I can just tellyou this. It's about ten minutes after
a breaking daylight? Okay, allright, just like I told you so,
I tell you it's about ten minutesthat's the breaking daylight. Uh.
(02:42):
We went to Walmart that what wewanted, went back and wasn't nobody there.
A few hours later during that dayand there was a ton of people
there and then I swhen I seenuh, Jeff and all of them up
here, and a bunch of copsand uh some gown crutches leaning back next
(03:04):
to a trump. But the gowncrushes was not the same guy that was
there that morning. Okay, doyou know the guy that was there.
I don't know what any of themsome bitch is a little like. And
I don't have the time to takeand look them up and see what they
little like. I'm polaly there,that's just my makee. Hey, but
(03:25):
I did show you picture of yesterday, right, he did? He did?
He did. Was was there onethat you said you felt about seventy.
Yes, I'm sorry. Then thatChristmas party at the farms, I
think that I zoomed in on himand showed him that picture. So that
was that was the picture I showedhim. Was within six months of Karen's
(03:49):
you know, death, So itwas. And I asked him to give
me a percentage of how sure hewas him. He said, seventy.
Okay, so is that is thatright? You're you're about seventy per cent?
Sure? Yes, see, I'mnot gonna lie, yes, sir,
(04:10):
Okay, you're not one hundred nine. I'm I mean I didn't pull
over and ask him what his namebecause and I'm glad I didn't, Helen,
there's already one dead person. Ithas been me and my front to
okay, you know, and yeah, I'm I'm he stirred me down,
(04:30):
and I stirred him down. Howdid the TV I know to come to
your house later? Because accurately,Ah, we seen all them cots and
everything there. All right, Wecalled and I called and reported the man
theres that morning. He ain't theblack truck, Okay, all right?
Then it was it was it wasa month month and a half before they
(04:53):
showed up. They showed up allone afternoon, and each one showed up
in a different vehicle. I'm gonnalie, Hey, did he talk to
you at the sheriff's apartment when youcalled? I do not know, but
they said they would put it onrecord, and anyway, that's all they
said. We put it on record. But I know this that they got
(05:14):
all over his ass because it wouldhave been told to them who did FBI
or whoever was there the FPI TVI they got on who they got on
jail? Okay, but they saythey told them that that's the information they
(05:42):
needed to be before then, notnow. They had about twenty minute talk
with me. Okay, hey,one more thing, can you tell them
what you told me about seeing Jeff? Following Karen, I better not say
all that, all right, welive on a dead end row. I
(06:03):
just said that, and people Idon't know, I said, And that's
what you're s You don't know.You know, we live on dead end
road. Then you know, carsgo down and then they turn and come
out. Her car went down,you know, the bigger one down and
(06:26):
they didn't turn around, go aroundout. But now that was a month
or two months before any of thatever happened. Okay, Yeah, you
know, I can't tell you tothe day till you're talking over ten years
(06:46):
ago, but I can tell youthis. They jumped to his ass right
there, and while I was sittinghome, tail gave him my truck about
everything, okay. And if youwould have shown me a picture right then,
would have pointed it exactly, notseventy percent, one hundred percent.
And if you put him up beside, somebody put him in a tamn line.
(07:09):
I can tell you which one itis. Yeah, all right,
anything else, it ain't no way. I justified. But that was again
making sure I was taking care ofsomebody was gonna make sure that nothing happened
(07:30):
to my babies and me. MOkay. Now, my son even said
he would because he was right inthe truck with me. Like I said,
he tuned up at the time.He was eleven years old. He
was a jewel. Now hunt.So anyways, all of this is less
(07:56):
than a quarter a mile from whereI live. Okay, you got the
sheriff living in a less than quartermile for me too, And I don't
want to be arrest and you knowall that is okay. They should have
records FBI and TB I should averagewhen they came to my house and talk
(08:16):
to me. Okay, is thisthe first you've heard of this? Me?
Yeah, yeah, this isn't inthe file. There's thirty five thousand
pages of that file, so there'sa possibility I might have missed it.
Okay, well we'll go with that. Okay, all right, thank you,
(08:43):
Okay, thanks, anything else that'sit? Okay, Okay, thanks, Okay,
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