September 2, 2025 • 31 mins
No Middle Ground Left: Why Debate Has Become All or Nothing | Karel Cast 118
In today’s America, there’s no middle ground anymore. Yesterday, I — a proud, gay activist with trans family members — was labeled a transphobe simply for having a nuanced opinion about trans athletes and transitioning timelines. Instead of discussion, the immediate reaction was to attack.
Even Governor Gavin Newsom has faced backlash from the extreme left for daring to agree with Charlie Kirk on certain issues. If you don’t agree 100% with a group, you’re branded as the enemy. That’s not dialogue, that’s division.
Meanwhile, on a lighter note: do you have a bucket list? What’s on it, and when will you start checking things off?
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In today’s America, there’s no middle ground anymore. Yesterday, I — a proud, gay activist with trans family members — was labeled a transphobe simply for having a nuanced opinion about trans athletes and transitioning timelines. Instead of discussion, the immediate reaction was to attack.
Even Governor Gavin Newsom has faced backlash from the extreme left for daring to agree with Charlie Kirk on certain issues. If you don’t agree 100% with a group, you’re branded as the enemy. That’s not dialogue, that’s division.
Meanwhile, on a lighter note: do you have a bucket list? What’s on it, and when will you start checking things off?
👉 Watch now and join the conversation. Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to support independent voices like mine.
The Karel Cast is supported by your donations at patreon.com/reallykarel and streams live Mon–Thu at 10:30 AM PST. Available on Apple Music, Spotify, iHeart, Spreaker, TikTok, and Instagram.
#KarelCast, #NoMiddleGround, #AllOrNothing, #TransDebate, #CancelCulture, #FreedomOfSpeech, #PoliticalDivide, #AmericanValues, #JusticeForAll, #CivilDiscussion, #TransRights, #EqualityForAll, #IndependentVoices, #SocialMediaBacklash, #UnityNotDivision, #CultureWar, #GavinNewsom, #ViralShorts, #LikeAndSubscribe, #PodcastLife
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Am I? One? We're gonna talk about why there is
no middle ground anymore? Also, Donald Trump disappeared. Where was he? Well,
he wasn't dead, unfortunately.
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September second in September. Honey, the falls come in any
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We've got a lot to talk about today. And you know,
all topics are personal, sometimes they really are. So you
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all know that Gavin Newsom and I are friends, friendly friends, whatever, acquaintances,
whatever you call it. We text each other. If you
text back, I text him. I think that calls each
other friends. And I noticed that the Democrats the left
have already started attacking Gavin Newsom, who is a Democrat,
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and the gay organizations are already attacking Gavin Newsom, the
guy who championed same sex marriage. And the reason they're
doing this is they're saying he's a transphobe. A he
had Charlie Kirk on his show, a known transphobe, and
B he tended to agree with Charlie Kirk about trans
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women in female sports. So he's a transphobe. And the
comments down below the story are liberals, gays, trans turning
on Gavin Newsom. I defended Gavin Newsom and said, you know,
the man is an ally. You know, he championed same
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sex marriage when it wasn't popular. He has always championed
gay rights, and just because you don't agree with him
on one particular issue, you're just gonna throw him out
you're gonna cancel him. And the comments and hatred that
I have gotten from trans people, people in my community
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who I have fought for for the better part of
forty five years since high school. I have fought for
every kind of gay, lesbian, transperson out there, and now
they're calling me a transphobe. So I thought, well, let's
see if I am. You know, I was transphobic for
a while. I was. There was a time in my
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life where I said, you can have whatever surgery you want,
but underneath it all, you're still biologically male or biologically
female because you have an xx or an x Y chromosome.
That is when I had, you know, limited understanding of
bylo quite frankly, that is before I knew that there
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were xxys x y x's, and you know, I didn't know,
and what I didn't know, I didn't know. But once
I knew, I realized that it is not up for
me to define what is a man or a woman
for anyone else except myself, and that these people trans
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people have enough going against them. They don't need me
over here saying well, underneath it all, your still no,
they're not. They're not if they have transitioned they have transitioned,
they are now a full woman or a full man,
and any other talk is nonsense and doesn't go along
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with the biology or the medicine. So Gavin has waded
into the trans people in sports. Less than one percent
of trans athletes are in major sports first time, and
less than two percent of the trans community compete in
any kind of sports. So we are talking about a
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microfraction of a microfraction of a population. Okay, we're talking
about a small fraction of a small fraction of the community.
And Gavin Newsom does not believe, according to what I
can glean, you know from his comments on podcasts and things,
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that trans women should compete against. You know, I don't
want to say biological women, that's a negative term, but
trans women should not compete in female sports. That's what
he has allegedly said. I have still tried to find
the exact quote. I can't, but this is what the
trans community says he said. And they also said that
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he said that you should wait to transition at least
into you're eighteen. Now we know it is better for
the trans person if they transition pre puberty. Okay, we
now know that that if they transition before they go
into puberty, and they stop the puberty. If they're a
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male and they're going to be a female, if they
stop the male puberty from happening, we know it's a
better transition for them. So let's take those two issues
and do these really have any place in modern day politics?
I mean that should we count out a candidate because
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of this particular opinion. I'd like to hear your comments,
because with the trans community now, it appears to be
all or nothing. Either you accept us, you accept that
we're the real gender, and you allow us to do
everything that gender does, including play professional sports, or you're
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against us. There's no nuance there, there's no room for dialogue,
there's no room for compromise. They don't want compromise. Either
you accept us for who we are. If I am
a male to female transgender and I want to compete
in female sports once I transition, either you let me
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or you're a transphobe. It's that simple. Well, it's not
that simple. Martin. Martina Navrachalova, a lesbian, says she does
not like to compete against male to female transgendered individuals
because if they transitioned post male puberty, and that's the
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key post male puberty. They're gonna have longer legs, they're
gonna have longer arms, they're gonna have bigger bones. They're
going they're just going to be with an advantage period period.
Other women in female sports have expressed the same issue
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that it is not fair if a male to female
transgendered individual who transitioned after puberty competes. We're not talking
female to male competing in gymnastics, where they're only you know,
where everybody is five foot five. Okay, we're not talking
about that. We're talking specifically about male to female transgendered
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people competing in female sports. I happen to side in
some ways with Gavin. I believe it should be a
case by case basis, that there should not be a
blanket rule, that it should be the a per person basis.
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If the person is just so much bigger and so
much stronger, and just you know, just stands out from
the group, then that's not fair. Okay, it's not And
trans people can get as mad at me as they
want to, But if you've got a bunch of five
foot six women that weigh on a hundred pounds, and
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then You've got a six foot two woman that clocks
in at one hundred and eighty. You know that's not fair.
So where do we find the compromise here? How can
we respect the trans community, not deprive them of any rights,
but also come to a compromise with trans athletes in sports?
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That should be the dialogue, but they don't want a
dialogue at all none. If I am a male to
female transgender or a female to male transgender and I
want to compete in a sport for that gender, I
should be allowed to period. End of story. And if
you feel otherwise, you're a transfer? Is that? Is that right?
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Should it be sports current? Or are they cutting off
their noses to spite their face? Let's talk more about
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So should there be middle ground in this particular debate?
There are a lot of people who didn't vote for
Joe Biden because of his stance on Gaza and now look,
did they really think Trump was going to be better
on Gaza? As Net and Yahoo commits a complete and
total genocide? Is are they happy now? And if you're
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trans or an LGBTQ person and you don't want to
support Gavin Newsom because of this one position, are you
gonna like the Republicans you know position better, which is
no trans athletes in sports? Well no, they'd wipe out
trans people completely if they could. Look in my younger years,
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I was a scorched earth kind of guy. There's right,
there's wrong, and there's nothing in between. As I have aged,
particularly as a gay man, I have found out if
you want to win the long term battle, you can't
give up every war. You can't fight every war to
the death if you want to win the long term. Now,
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I you know what, I have nothing invested in trans
people in sports. Hey, I don't watch sports. I don't
like sports. I don't care about sports, but I have
heard from enough women in sports, not closeted women, not
homophobic women. And to label everybody a transphobe just because
they might disagree with this one thing alienates people that
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you need. It alienates allies. I am an ally. I
could be no more of an ally for trans people.
And yet right now, trans people on Instagram are calling
me transphobic. Right now today, they are posting comments saying
I am a horrible person. I am transphobic? Am I?
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As for Gavin's other comment, I would have to talk
to doctors because and maybe we will. Because on the surface, okay,
and I'm not talking this is not a medical opinion.
On the surface, I see nothing wrong with waiting, making
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people wait until they're eighteen to transition. Now, before eighteen,
they can live as they want to if they're male
and want to live a female, if they're female, want
to live as male, if they want to start the hormones. Okay,
But for the actual surgeries, I see nothing wrong with
waiting until eighteen. I mean, your brain's not even cooked
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until you're twenty four, so I see no reason. I
see no problem with that. We put age for a
lot of things, including medical procedures. A child can't have
plastic surgery unless it's medically necessary. You can't get your
teenager's nose fixed unless it's medically necessary. There are some
medical procedures that children cannot do, including tattoos. They can't
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do those. So switching your gender, having your breast completely removed,
having your penis completely removed, should you be able to
do that before you're eighteen? I don't know. I really don't.
I would have to talk to a doctor. If it
is true that they do better if they transition before puberty,
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then okay. If the doctor says that's the way it
should be, okay. But if doctors say there's no real benefit,
you know, or detriment in waiting doing the hormones, doing the therapy,
doing everything they need to do, and then at eighteen
having the surgery, then I'm all for them waiting. But again,
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I don't have body dysmorphic disorder, nor have I spoken
to a doctor about this. So on that issue that
Gavin weighed in on, I am not as informed as
I could be, and I am open. I am open
to trans people and to doctors changing my mind, But
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that would require a conversation, wouldn't it. That would require
someone not just saying I'm transphobic for having that opinion,
and actually explaining to me why it is better to
do it pre puberty. If there is a medical argument
that it is simply better for the transperson to do
it pre puberty, then okay. But if not, then why not. Wait?
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That's called a discussion and it's not something we have
very many of today in today's world. It is my opinion,
toe the line or you're canceled. Period. We cancel people
that fast make one mistake, which humans do, and that's it.
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You're done, You're canceled. And so liberals are canceling Gavin
Newsom why because he talked to Charlie Kirk. Look, I
wouldn't talk to Charlie Kirk. I don't think we should
platform these idiots. But if Gavin feels that it's productive
for liberals and conservatives to sit down and try to
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find common ground, if that's how he really feels, then
he's got a First Amendment right to do so. Now
I don't feel it is, but that's my first Amendment right.
As to who I put on my show, did he
empower them in any way. No, he didn't get Charlie
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Kirk anymore fans, He didn't get him any more followers,
He didn't. You know, it wasn't like his promotion of him,
you know, shot him into the stratosphere. And as for
his position on trans athletes, I can't say that I
disagree one hundred percent because I don't. I really believe
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it should be an athlete by athlete basis that there
should be no blanket banning of male to female in
female sports. There should be no blanket law that says
it just can't happen, but it should be athlete by
athlete by athlete. If an athlete presents to compete in
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a sport and they obviously have a huge physical advantage
because they were a male to female transgendered person, then
no they shouldn't. You know, women in that sport should
not have to compete against that. However, if they're a
male to female transgender and the sport doesn't, like if
it's archery, or if it's you know, there's a million
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sports I can think of where it wouldn't even matter.
Wrestling not one of them, Tennis one of them. You know,
there's boxing, not one of them. There's a few sports
where it matters a lot, and maybe there should just
be rules in those sports, and those rules should be
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per athlete, not just a blanket ban. But again, in
order to come up with this, we would have to
have a dialogue, we would have to have a conversation,
and that's just not something anyone's willing to do anymore.
Everyone's got their opinion. They're not going to change their mind.
They're sticking with it. And that's it. And that's why
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we're where we're at because MAGA refuses to budge on
any issues. Liberals refuse to budget and some issues there's
no budging. There's no budging on denying healthcare to the
poor so you can give a tax break to the rich.
There's no middle ground there. That's just wrong. Okay, there's
no middle ground on a lot of these issues, but
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there is on some, like the homeless issue, there is
middle ground there as to how to find a pathway
to solve the problem. There can be multiple sources of
input to solve that problem, from the right and the left.
We have to get to a place where we can
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talk to each other, try to change each other's minds.
You know, maybe if Gavin sat down with a group
of trans people and doctors, he would completely change his opinion.
This notion gay groups would write off one of their
biggest allies. Is it speaks volumes to how gay groups
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are losing. You know, we alienate people who should be
our friends and for stupid reasons. All Right, when we
come back, something's fun. Okay, if it's fun, do you
have a bucket? Okay? Do you have one? An actual bucket?
Do you have? I need to know. I gotta ask,
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party going as long as we can. The criminal and
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despot Rudy Giuliani broke his back in an accident this weekend,
and now he's getting the Medal of Freedom. A guy
who committed crimes, who got a civil judgment against him
for so much money that he has to sell everything,
and now he's going to get a presidential medal of
freedom from a president who was in the hospital for
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four days and they never told us that's where he was.
You will never ever convince me otherwise that he was
not in the hospital or under serious medical care for
four days, because it is my belief he has congestive
heart failure and he's not well. This party that kept
deriding Joe Biden's health, Maga who kept sleepy Joe, this
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and Joe Biden never disappeared for four days ever his
whole term. Trump does magas find with it. You know,
the guy was in the hospital or in the hospital
ward of the White House. But there is a hospital
at the White House, so either he was there or
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at Harry Reid wherever he was. You know, he was
somewhere and he was sick, and they're keeping it from
us because they're liars. Meanwhile, the rest of the world
is meeting putin z Kim Jong Un Modi from India,
and their only reason their meeting is to diss the
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United States, to strike agreements that go around the United States.
Every other country is going to start isolating the United States.
We can't even get mail from seventeen countries now, Mexico,
most of Europe. There's no packages being shipped into the
United States over one hundred dollars. And now the leaders
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of the biggest countries in the world, India and China
and Russia are that's the population of the world right there, honey, India, China,
Russia and their meeting as to how to go around us.
Donald Trump is going to lose our position in the world.
We will not be We will be like the fifth
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or sixth superpower. We're not going to be number one.
He's losing it. He's losing our position. He's sick. No
one's reporting on what you know, where he was, what
he was doing, he was sick, and now here we
are speaking of being sick and being old, which he is.
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He is sick and he is old. I have a
question about bucket lists, you know, this weekend, I decided. Besides,
also I'm checking the chatroom at YouTube dot com forward
slash Willie Correll. Let's see, they say Trump is gonna
announce he's moving Space Force Command to Alabama or something.
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Who cares? What else is in the chat room? Roya Lucas,
please express a bit less bigotry. Roll the tape back
to pre Stonewall days. I don't. I don't understand what
that comment means at all. Who's expressing bigotry? I don't.
I don't know what that person's saying. Trump doesn't look good, No,
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he doesn't. And what else? What else is going on
here in the chat room? Come on? The hypocrisy is democracy,
it's true. What else? When we went to play golf,
he looked bloated, his color was off. Well yeah, and
then in the chat room, someone suggested different games. I've
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always said one, do an open category in sports, do
a male, a female, and then an open category. And
you know, the open category could be whoever male female
trans let them compete, but let them compete in an
open category in some instances, not all. It needs to
be athlete by athlete by athlete, not a blanket rule.
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So do you'll have the bucket list? I started thinking
this weekend. I'll be sixty three this year, and even
if you have a good old age, meaning if you're
you know, in your eighties and you're still up and
about and active, you're not nearly as active as you
were in your sixties or even seventies. So I realize
I've got about seventeen years until i'm eighty, and so
if I have a bucket list, now is the time
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to start doing it. But I truly sat down and thought, well,
outside of work goals, making a movie, having another hit record,
you know, outside of those goals, what do I really
want to do on my bucket list? Do you all
have one? I'm being serious now, do you all have one?
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And when do you start? At what age do you
start checking off things on your bucket list. Now, I've
done more in my lifetime than most humans will ever do.
I've had experiences that most humans will never have. Because
of my position as an entertainer, as a talk show host,
and a journalist, I've gotten to do things that just
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most people cannot do. So in terms of a bucket list,
you know, I've already done what most people would want
to do. That being said, what do I want to do?
Make sure that I do for the rest of my life?
You know, yesterday I saw that there was a set
of really nice headphones on sale, Beats by Doctor Dre
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the Studio Pro. They're from Apple actually, and instead of
four hundred dollars, they were ninety nine dollars. And I
had a coupon with my Best Buy card or a
certificate for twenty five dollars, so I could get them
really cheaply. And I thought, well, you don't really need them,
you have your air pods. But I'm told that watching
movies with them is like game changing. So I agonized
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for eight hours, and then finally late in the day yesterday,
I said, God darn it, I'm gonna go get them.
So I went and got them, and I watched a
movie last night with Jacob Alordi where he plays a
gay guy. It's on Netflix, something about blowing wind or
something's I have to look up the title. It was
really good though, Uh, And they're right. Watching a movie
with the good headphones on is game changing. It's spatial audio.
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It sounds like you're in the room the basis. I mean,
it's just it's incredible. It was a whole new experience
worth the seventy five dollars I paid. And I did
that because I thought, now is the time. If there's
something in your life that's going to give you enjoyment,
now is the time to start enjoying it. So do
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you have a bucket list? Have you already started on it?
And what's on it? I'd love to see your comments.
You know, I was a photographer and still am for decades, decades,
and my dream camera is a hasselblog camera to and
a quarter with a digital back. It's ten thousand dollars camera,
seven thousand dollars used. Now I'll never I don't say never,
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but the notion that I would have that much money
to spend on a camera. But there's going to come
a point where either I'm going to get it and
use it for my passion photography, or I'll never ever
ever have it. That time is coming, I'm not going
to be eighty trying to take pictures. So do I
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save up and find a way to get the hassle blot?
It is on my bucket list. When I started to
think bucket list, I thought, well, you really want to
start taking photos with a hostile blod two in a
quarter with a digital back. But that kind of money
I could move I could. You know, There's so many
things I could do with that money. So I don't
know that I'll ever check that box on my bucket list.
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What about you? You know what what's on yours? When
it comes to travel, I've been so many places. I
can't think of any burning place i'd like to see.
I'd like to go to Paris again. I would before
I died, like to see Paris again. So what about you?
Do you have a bucket list? And if you do,
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have you started on it? And what is on it?
I am so curious to know. I really am to
fill your bucket carill Amen. Let's see, Sandy says, I
have a lot of things I hope to do in
places I hope to see, but I don't really call
it a bucket list. Well it is before you get it,
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you know, and it might all be moved, the dollar
could lose its value, and we might not be able
to do in all right, I have prelvie. Who you
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We've got a lot to talk about today. And you know,
all topics are personal, sometimes they really are. So you
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all know that Gavin Newsom and I are friends, friendly friends, whatever, acquaintances,
whatever you call it. We text each other. If you
text back, I text him. I think that calls each
other friends. And I noticed that the Democrats the left
have already started attacking Gavin Newsom, who is a Democrat,
(02:10):
and the gay organizations are already attacking Gavin Newsom, the
guy who championed same sex marriage. And the reason they're
doing this is they're saying he's a transphobe. A he
had Charlie Kirk on his show, a known transphobe, and
B he tended to agree with Charlie Kirk about trans
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women in female sports. So he's a transphobe. And the
comments down below the story are liberals, gays, trans turning
on Gavin Newsom. I defended Gavin Newsom and said, you know,
the man is an ally. You know, he championed same
(02:57):
sex marriage when it wasn't popular. He has always championed
gay rights, and just because you don't agree with him
on one particular issue, you're just gonna throw him out
you're gonna cancel him. And the comments and hatred that
I have gotten from trans people, people in my community
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who I have fought for for the better part of
forty five years since high school. I have fought for
every kind of gay, lesbian, transperson out there, and now
they're calling me a transphobe. So I thought, well, let's
see if I am. You know, I was transphobic for
a while. I was. There was a time in my
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life where I said, you can have whatever surgery you want,
but underneath it all, you're still biologically male or biologically
female because you have an xx or an x Y chromosome.
That is when I had, you know, limited understanding of
bylo quite frankly, that is before I knew that there
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were xxys x y x's, and you know, I didn't know,
and what I didn't know, I didn't know. But once
I knew, I realized that it is not up for
me to define what is a man or a woman
for anyone else except myself, and that these people trans
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people have enough going against them. They don't need me
over here saying well, underneath it all, your still no,
they're not. They're not if they have transitioned they have transitioned,
they are now a full woman or a full man,
and any other talk is nonsense and doesn't go along
(04:45):
with the biology or the medicine. So Gavin has waded
into the trans people in sports. Less than one percent
of trans athletes are in major sports first time, and
less than two percent of the trans community compete in
any kind of sports. So we are talking about a
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microfraction of a microfraction of a population. Okay, we're talking
about a small fraction of a small fraction of the community.
And Gavin Newsom does not believe, according to what I
can glean, you know from his comments on podcasts and things,
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that trans women should compete against. You know, I don't
want to say biological women, that's a negative term, but
trans women should not compete in female sports. That's what
he has allegedly said. I have still tried to find
the exact quote. I can't, but this is what the
trans community says he said. And they also said that
(05:55):
he said that you should wait to transition at least
into you're eighteen. Now we know it is better for
the trans person if they transition pre puberty. Okay, we
now know that that if they transition before they go
into puberty, and they stop the puberty. If they're a
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male and they're going to be a female, if they
stop the male puberty from happening, we know it's a
better transition for them. So let's take those two issues
and do these really have any place in modern day politics?
I mean that should we count out a candidate because
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of this particular opinion. I'd like to hear your comments,
because with the trans community now, it appears to be
all or nothing. Either you accept us, you accept that
we're the real gender, and you allow us to do
everything that gender does, including play professional sports, or you're
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against us. There's no nuance there, there's no room for dialogue,
there's no room for compromise. They don't want compromise. Either
you accept us for who we are. If I am
a male to female transgender and I want to compete
in female sports once I transition, either you let me
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or you're a transphobe. It's that simple. Well, it's not
that simple. Martin. Martina Navrachalova, a lesbian, says she does
not like to compete against male to female transgendered individuals
because if they transitioned post male puberty, and that's the
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key post male puberty. They're gonna have longer legs, they're
gonna have longer arms, they're gonna have bigger bones. They're
going they're just going to be with an advantage period period.
Other women in female sports have expressed the same issue
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that it is not fair if a male to female
transgendered individual who transitioned after puberty competes. We're not talking
female to male competing in gymnastics, where they're only you know,
where everybody is five foot five. Okay, we're not talking
about that. We're talking specifically about male to female transgendered
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people competing in female sports. I happen to side in
some ways with Gavin. I believe it should be a
case by case basis, that there should not be a
blanket rule, that it should be the a per person basis.
(08:52):
If the person is just so much bigger and so
much stronger, and just you know, just stands out from
the group, then that's not fair. Okay, it's not And
trans people can get as mad at me as they
want to, But if you've got a bunch of five
foot six women that weigh on a hundred pounds, and
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then You've got a six foot two woman that clocks
in at one hundred and eighty. You know that's not fair.
So where do we find the compromise here? How can
we respect the trans community, not deprive them of any rights,
but also come to a compromise with trans athletes in sports?
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That should be the dialogue, but they don't want a
dialogue at all none. If I am a male to
female transgender or a female to male transgender and I
want to compete in a sport for that gender, I
should be allowed to period. End of story. And if
you feel otherwise, you're a transfer? Is that? Is that right?
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Should it be sports current? Or are they cutting off
their noses to spite their face? Let's talk more about
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So should there be middle ground in this particular debate?
There are a lot of people who didn't vote for
Joe Biden because of his stance on Gaza and now look,
did they really think Trump was going to be better
on Gaza? As Net and Yahoo commits a complete and
total genocide? Is are they happy now? And if you're
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trans or an LGBTQ person and you don't want to
support Gavin Newsom because of this one position, are you
gonna like the Republicans you know position better, which is
no trans athletes in sports? Well no, they'd wipe out
trans people completely if they could. Look in my younger years,
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I was a scorched earth kind of guy. There's right,
there's wrong, and there's nothing in between. As I have aged,
particularly as a gay man, I have found out if
you want to win the long term battle, you can't
give up every war. You can't fight every war to
the death if you want to win the long term. Now,
(12:11):
I you know what, I have nothing invested in trans
people in sports. Hey, I don't watch sports. I don't
like sports. I don't care about sports, but I have
heard from enough women in sports, not closeted women, not
homophobic women. And to label everybody a transphobe just because
they might disagree with this one thing alienates people that
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you need. It alienates allies. I am an ally. I
could be no more of an ally for trans people.
And yet right now, trans people on Instagram are calling
me transphobic. Right now today, they are posting comments saying
I am a horrible person. I am transphobic? Am I?
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As for Gavin's other comment, I would have to talk
to doctors because and maybe we will. Because on the surface, okay,
and I'm not talking this is not a medical opinion.
On the surface, I see nothing wrong with waiting, making
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people wait until they're eighteen to transition. Now, before eighteen,
they can live as they want to if they're male
and want to live a female, if they're female, want
to live as male, if they want to start the hormones. Okay,
But for the actual surgeries, I see nothing wrong with
waiting until eighteen. I mean, your brain's not even cooked
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until you're twenty four, so I see no reason. I
see no problem with that. We put age for a
lot of things, including medical procedures. A child can't have
plastic surgery unless it's medically necessary. You can't get your
teenager's nose fixed unless it's medically necessary. There are some
medical procedures that children cannot do, including tattoos. They can't
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do those. So switching your gender, having your breast completely removed,
having your penis completely removed, should you be able to
do that before you're eighteen? I don't know. I really don't.
I would have to talk to a doctor. If it
is true that they do better if they transition before puberty,
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then okay. If the doctor says that's the way it
should be, okay. But if doctors say there's no real benefit,
you know, or detriment in waiting doing the hormones, doing the therapy,
doing everything they need to do, and then at eighteen
having the surgery, then I'm all for them waiting. But again,
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I don't have body dysmorphic disorder, nor have I spoken
to a doctor about this. So on that issue that
Gavin weighed in on, I am not as informed as
I could be, and I am open. I am open
to trans people and to doctors changing my mind, But
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that would require a conversation, wouldn't it. That would require
someone not just saying I'm transphobic for having that opinion,
and actually explaining to me why it is better to
do it pre puberty. If there is a medical argument
that it is simply better for the transperson to do
it pre puberty, then okay. But if not, then why not. Wait?
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That's called a discussion and it's not something we have
very many of today in today's world. It is my opinion,
toe the line or you're canceled. Period. We cancel people
that fast make one mistake, which humans do, and that's it.
(16:07):
You're done, You're canceled. And so liberals are canceling Gavin
Newsom why because he talked to Charlie Kirk. Look, I
wouldn't talk to Charlie Kirk. I don't think we should
platform these idiots. But if Gavin feels that it's productive
for liberals and conservatives to sit down and try to
(16:28):
find common ground, if that's how he really feels, then
he's got a First Amendment right to do so. Now
I don't feel it is, but that's my first Amendment right.
As to who I put on my show, did he
empower them in any way. No, he didn't get Charlie
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Kirk anymore fans, He didn't get him any more followers,
He didn't. You know, it wasn't like his promotion of him,
you know, shot him into the stratosphere. And as for
his position on trans athletes, I can't say that I
disagree one hundred percent because I don't. I really believe
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it should be an athlete by athlete basis that there
should be no blanket banning of male to female in
female sports. There should be no blanket law that says
it just can't happen, but it should be athlete by
athlete by athlete. If an athlete presents to compete in
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a sport and they obviously have a huge physical advantage
because they were a male to female transgendered person, then
no they shouldn't. You know, women in that sport should
not have to compete against that. However, if they're a
male to female transgender and the sport doesn't, like if
it's archery, or if it's you know, there's a million
(17:52):
sports I can think of where it wouldn't even matter.
Wrestling not one of them, Tennis one of them. You know,
there's boxing, not one of them. There's a few sports
where it matters a lot, and maybe there should just
be rules in those sports, and those rules should be
(18:13):
per athlete, not just a blanket ban. But again, in
order to come up with this, we would have to
have a dialogue, we would have to have a conversation,
and that's just not something anyone's willing to do anymore.
Everyone's got their opinion. They're not going to change their mind.
They're sticking with it. And that's it. And that's why
(18:35):
we're where we're at because MAGA refuses to budge on
any issues. Liberals refuse to budget and some issues there's
no budging. There's no budging on denying healthcare to the
poor so you can give a tax break to the rich.
There's no middle ground there. That's just wrong. Okay, there's
no middle ground on a lot of these issues, but
(18:57):
there is on some, like the homeless issue, there is
middle ground there as to how to find a pathway
to solve the problem. There can be multiple sources of
input to solve that problem, from the right and the left.
We have to get to a place where we can
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talk to each other, try to change each other's minds.
You know, maybe if Gavin sat down with a group
of trans people and doctors, he would completely change his opinion.
This notion gay groups would write off one of their
biggest allies. Is it speaks volumes to how gay groups
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are losing. You know, we alienate people who should be
our friends and for stupid reasons. All Right, when we
come back, something's fun. Okay, if it's fun, do you
have a bucket? Okay? Do you have one? An actual bucket?
Do you have? I need to know. I gotta ask,
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unhinged gig and his little dog. And let's keep the
party going as long as we can. The criminal and
(21:19):
despot Rudy Giuliani broke his back in an accident this weekend,
and now he's getting the Medal of Freedom. A guy
who committed crimes, who got a civil judgment against him
for so much money that he has to sell everything,
and now he's going to get a presidential medal of
freedom from a president who was in the hospital for
(21:39):
four days and they never told us that's where he was.
You will never ever convince me otherwise that he was
not in the hospital or under serious medical care for
four days, because it is my belief he has congestive
heart failure and he's not well. This party that kept
deriding Joe Biden's health, Maga who kept sleepy Joe, this
(22:04):
and Joe Biden never disappeared for four days ever his
whole term. Trump does magas find with it. You know,
the guy was in the hospital or in the hospital
ward of the White House. But there is a hospital
at the White House, so either he was there or
(22:24):
at Harry Reid wherever he was. You know, he was
somewhere and he was sick, and they're keeping it from
us because they're liars. Meanwhile, the rest of the world
is meeting putin z Kim Jong Un Modi from India,
and their only reason their meeting is to diss the
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United States, to strike agreements that go around the United States.
Every other country is going to start isolating the United States.
We can't even get mail from seventeen countries now, Mexico,
most of Europe. There's no packages being shipped into the
United States over one hundred dollars. And now the leaders
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of the biggest countries in the world, India and China
and Russia are that's the population of the world right there, honey, India, China,
Russia and their meeting as to how to go around us.
Donald Trump is going to lose our position in the world.
We will not be We will be like the fifth
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or sixth superpower. We're not going to be number one.
He's losing it. He's losing our position. He's sick. No
one's reporting on what you know, where he was, what
he was doing, he was sick, and now here we
are speaking of being sick and being old, which he is.
(23:55):
He is sick and he is old. I have a
question about bucket lists, you know, this weekend, I decided. Besides,
also I'm checking the chatroom at YouTube dot com forward
slash Willie Correll. Let's see, they say Trump is gonna
announce he's moving Space Force Command to Alabama or something.
(24:16):
Who cares? What else is in the chat room? Roya Lucas,
please express a bit less bigotry. Roll the tape back
to pre Stonewall days. I don't. I don't understand what
that comment means at all. Who's expressing bigotry? I don't.
I don't know what that person's saying. Trump doesn't look good, No,
(24:39):
he doesn't. And what else? What else is going on
here in the chat room? Come on? The hypocrisy is democracy,
it's true. What else? When we went to play golf,
he looked bloated, his color was off. Well yeah, and
then in the chat room, someone suggested different games. I've
(24:59):
always said one, do an open category in sports, do
a male, a female, and then an open category. And
you know, the open category could be whoever male female
trans let them compete, but let them compete in an
open category in some instances, not all. It needs to
be athlete by athlete by athlete, not a blanket rule.
(25:24):
So do you'll have the bucket list? I started thinking
this weekend. I'll be sixty three this year, and even
if you have a good old age, meaning if you're
you know, in your eighties and you're still up and
about and active, you're not nearly as active as you
were in your sixties or even seventies. So I realize
I've got about seventeen years until i'm eighty, and so
if I have a bucket list, now is the time
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to start doing it. But I truly sat down and thought, well,
outside of work goals, making a movie, having another hit record,
you know, outside of those goals, what do I really
want to do on my bucket list? Do you all
have one? I'm being serious now, do you all have one?
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And when do you start? At what age do you
start checking off things on your bucket list. Now, I've
done more in my lifetime than most humans will ever do.
I've had experiences that most humans will never have. Because
of my position as an entertainer, as a talk show host,
and a journalist, I've gotten to do things that just
(26:35):
most people cannot do. So in terms of a bucket list,
you know, I've already done what most people would want
to do. That being said, what do I want to do?
Make sure that I do for the rest of my life?
You know, yesterday I saw that there was a set
of really nice headphones on sale, Beats by Doctor Dre
(26:59):
the Studio Pro. They're from Apple actually, and instead of
four hundred dollars, they were ninety nine dollars. And I
had a coupon with my Best Buy card or a
certificate for twenty five dollars, so I could get them
really cheaply. And I thought, well, you don't really need them,
you have your air pods. But I'm told that watching
movies with them is like game changing. So I agonized
(27:24):
for eight hours, and then finally late in the day yesterday,
I said, God darn it, I'm gonna go get them.
So I went and got them, and I watched a
movie last night with Jacob Alordi where he plays a
gay guy. It's on Netflix, something about blowing wind or
something's I have to look up the title. It was
really good though, Uh, And they're right. Watching a movie
with the good headphones on is game changing. It's spatial audio.
(27:47):
It sounds like you're in the room the basis. I mean,
it's just it's incredible. It was a whole new experience
worth the seventy five dollars I paid. And I did
that because I thought, now is the time. If there's
something in your life that's going to give you enjoyment,
now is the time to start enjoying it. So do
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you have a bucket list? Have you already started on it?
And what's on it? I'd love to see your comments.
You know, I was a photographer and still am for decades, decades,
and my dream camera is a hasselblog camera to and
a quarter with a digital back. It's ten thousand dollars camera,
seven thousand dollars used. Now I'll never I don't say never,
(28:34):
but the notion that I would have that much money
to spend on a camera. But there's going to come
a point where either I'm going to get it and
use it for my passion photography, or I'll never ever
ever have it. That time is coming, I'm not going
to be eighty trying to take pictures. So do I
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save up and find a way to get the hassle blot?
It is on my bucket list. When I started to
think bucket list, I thought, well, you really want to
start taking photos with a hostile blod two in a
quarter with a digital back. But that kind of money
I could move I could. You know, There's so many
things I could do with that money. So I don't
know that I'll ever check that box on my bucket list.
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What about you? You know what what's on yours? When
it comes to travel, I've been so many places. I
can't think of any burning place i'd like to see.
I'd like to go to Paris again. I would before
I died, like to see Paris again. So what about you?
Do you have a bucket list? And if you do,
(29:39):
have you started on it? And what is on it?
I am so curious to know. I really am to
fill your bucket carill Amen. Let's see, Sandy says, I
have a lot of things I hope to do in
places I hope to see, but I don't really call
it a bucket list. Well it is before you get it,
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you know, and it might all be moved, the dollar
could lose its value, and we might not be able
to do in all right, I have prelvie. Who you
want to be from the parnybody leave your comment down below.
I'd love to read them. We'll see you tomorrow. Dot com,
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