BECOMING A HUB OF HEALING FOR THOSE IN NEED

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guest backstage. Are you ready back there? Are you ready
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you in. I see you talking back there. How are
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I've never heard anybody say that blessed and highly flavored. Okay, yes, yes,
come through, grandchild.

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Thank you, thank you for being here. I know that
you have a busy day. You were talking, we were
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you the opportunity to say more about yourself. But I'm
really honored everybody, and please let us know where you're
visiting in from two in the studio audience, but tomorrow
we call her tomorrow. Elon g At, Indianapolis native is
what she is who relocated to the Charlotte, North Carolina area.
She's a proud mother and grandmother who is blessed to

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be walking in her purpose as a multi multi media artist,
author and inspirational speaker. And she has performed in an
assortment of productions and events throughout the Midwest and many
places around the world. I'm not going to go into
every detail because she is a co founder of Project
Wings We Inspire, Nurture Guide Support. You are in for

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a treat to learn more about my guest today tomorrow,
Elan g Elan Gi. I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Welcome to the Kim Jacob Shop. Thank you, Hi, everybody,
piece and blessings. Thank you for having me. It is
a blessing to be here.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, tell us a little bit about yourself, because I
got the opportunity backstage to learn some but I would
love to learn more about you.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Where you came from, what even brought you to where
you are today. So take us a little bit back
on your backstory. Well, I am a poet, I am
an Arthur, I am my actress, director, playwright, screenwright, and
I've dabbled in some stand up comedy okay, stage management.

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And I'm a native of Indianapolis. Indiana, And I'm the
president and the co founder of Project Wings, which has
been in asistance now blessing sistance for eight years. And
despite some challenges and storms and transitions and changes, you know,
God is still in the blessing business and he has

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sustained us. And I'm just so blessed a little bit
about my backstory how I came to be here today.
I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I am
the child I am the survivor of domestic violence. I
am the survivor of substance abuse, I am the survivor

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of I am a suicide lost survivor. So I've lost
loved ones to suicide and I'm a suicide attempt survivor. Wow.
I say that to say, you know a lot of
times when you give your backstory, you know I used
to carry all of those things with a level of shame,

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right right, because I said, well, Dan, you know, Lord,
I don't want to be this suppostal child of tragedy.
You know, it just seemed like or felt like right,
But you know, no, But what what what I always
say this is that you know, humans waste pain, the
enemy exploits pain, but God uses your pain for purpose.

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God has your pain for purpose.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Y'all, make sure you take notes because the things that
this woman is going to be dropping his nuggets tonight
will change how you think and how you view life.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Say that statement one more time, y'all uses your pain
for purpose.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
God uses your pain for purpose. Somebody type that, Wow, Okay,
keep going.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
So you know, so I start out from the ages
of three to twelve. I was molested by both men
and women. I was sexually assaulted. I started drinking at
age eight. I started smoking at age eleven. I started
popping prescription pills by time I was fourteen, and by

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the time I was fifteen, you know, you know, I
had became pregnant and I was for to have an
abortion and I was very traumatic. So even though I
wrote my first suicide letter when I was eleven years old,
I was eleven years old, and my first suicide attempt
was at age sixteen. And you know, one of the

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things that I can tell anybody is that you know,
again I used to we carry that stigma and that shame,
especially in the brown and black communities. I tell people
all the time when it's about breaking generational strongholds, is
that what stays. You know, we always talked to what
goes on in this house stays in this house, Okay,

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But the truth of the matter doesn't. What goes on
in your home doesn't stay in your house. It goes
to school, it goes to work, it goes to church.
That's right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
In break that down a little bit, because when you
say it goes to those places, how is it going
to those places? I already know the answer, but I
want you to break that down for me. It's going
through our children. It's going through the people who's carrying
that brokenness as adults. Broken children grow up to be
broken adults, you know, And so we don't want a

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lot of the things that we don't want to talk
about this going on in our home, whether it's sexual
abuse or dysfunction, whether it's domestic abuse, whether it's substance abuse,
whether it's unchecked unhealth.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, mental health, illnesses. All of these things create
that that web of trauma and generational strongholds. And when
you grow up and you talk and what goes on
in this house stays in this house, Well, the truth
of the matter, doesn't, it goes out Because children live
with they learned, and broken children often become broken adults.

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And when and when research has shown that one in
five adults have a mental health illness, one in seven
children and youth they have a mental illness. And a
lot of times, especially in the brown and black communities,
there's a lot of still shame and embarrassment and stigma,
more so than it is in any other culture, you know.

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And so we keep all those things, and those things
don't get taken care of. And then what happens is
what happens children who have trauma, they often develop mental
health illnesses. They often have personality disorders, and you know,
as adults. And then we wonder, you know, and I
mean there were wondering why people are not getting the

(08:32):
health that they need because it's such a stigma against
getting mental health health. And I tell people all the
time too that you know a lot of people think
sometimes some of the mess. So let's talk about some
of the mental health meths. One of them is that
mental health illnesses, of mental health crisis is a sign
of weakness. How many people have heard that, Okay, shake

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it off. How many people have heard that? How many
people say that, well, you don't have enough faith, and
this comes from the church, and this comes from church hurt,
which is a whole different of the subject. But again,
you know who our here. So that's what we're talking about,
a variety of church hurt. So you know, sometimes people

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think that, well, you haven't prayed hard enough, or you're
not praying the right way, or you know anything, you
pray it away. And yes, prayer, prayers powerful, but the
Lord also gives us mental health professionals to be to
help us get through those mental health challenges. That's why
they're there. And so a lot of times I tell

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people all the time, and Minister Laverene Hall, by the way,
she always says, you know, you can have theology and
therapy too. Absolutely with that about you can have God
in the therapist too, you know what I mean. Actually,
in a lot of times will go and let's be honest,

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you know, your your pastor may be a wonderful pastor,
but they may may always be equipped to deal with
mental illness. They may not always be equipped to deal
with mental health crisis unless they also have a mental
health professional degree license or something. But I tell people,
you know it, you know, it's a you know, it's
a wellness. When we are spiritual, we are spiritual, physical, social,

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and psychobings. That's right. So when we talk about healing,
we have to talk about healing on all aspects of
our being, all aspects of our being. And so you
know it's okay. You know, have you a mental health
therapist to be to help you be able to break
some generational strongholds and your household and for your sake
and for the sake of your generation, have you a

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spiritual advisor and your pastor or a spiritual advisors helping
you be to deal with your spiritual health and for
those that because mental health is half raditarian have learned.
And that's another thing. A lot of people again when
I tell people that, they're looking at you kind of like,
but no, no, no, it's half learned and it's half a reditary.

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And you may not be a help if you have
a chemical in balnce. You cannot help. If you have
a genetic disorder that's causing your mental illness. A lot
of times they have medication for those things. And again,
mental health professional help. But we can't control no matter
what the enemy tries to tell you. You can't control

(11:32):
whether or not you have sexual or dis and dysfunction
in your home. You can't control whether there's domestic violence
in your home. You can control if there's substance abuse
in your home, and you can't control if there's unchecked
mental illness in your own You are you saying you
can or cannot? You can? You can those things that

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we can get help to pay to stop that we
can get help and have the courage, and we ask
God even for the courage and and the faith to
and the preseverance to be able to get through those things.
Because even though you know, one of the things I
was I had shared with my aunt, some of the
things that I'll be talking about tonight is on Matriarch

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and and she would she said, well, some of us
upsetting to her because she was like, I didn't know
you went through all that.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
You know, we keep a lot of all the trauma
that I went through. She didn't know all of it
because some things in my family, like most families, things
were swept up under the rug.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know, when did you when did you feel comfortable
coming out and saying, because you're talking about it tonight
here on the show, but when did you really come
to the realization that you shouldn't keep this bottled up
and it should be released so that other people can
benefit from your stories.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, I again, I'm a suicide loss survivor and so
and suicide attempt survivor or so. In twenty twenty, actually
twenty ten, I lost a good friend to suicide, a
classmate and a friend of mine named Steve Heiser, and
he took his life and a lot of people. It's

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right after our high school reunion, and I always regretted
that I didn't go because it would have been the
last time I would have seen him. But a lot
of people were so shocked. They didn't know that he
was struggling like that I did because we shared those things.
And then in twenty twelve, I had another loved one
that took their life. And twenty fourteen, Steph came to

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me in a dream, thank God, and he put his
arms around me and he said, sus do something with this.
I don't want nobody else to go through this. I
don't want nobody else to struggle like we struggled. And
when I woke from their dream, I had this promise
in mird and I asked God, I said, if you

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spare me from the suicide demons. I'll do something with it.
I'll give back, because I didn't want nobody else to
struggle to that. I didn't want nobody else to think
they were alone. And I had been in therapy off
and on since I've been thirteen, But it wasn't until
that moment I guess that I really had the courage

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to start speaking out about it, because it's so many
of our children, especially black children. And you know, we
always taught that suicide as a white man's disease, you know,
and it's not. It's not. We also have a rise
in suicide amount of African American children, there's a rise

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among suicide among elders. And suicide can take It doesn't
have an ethnicity, it doesn't have a class, it doesn't
have a financial status. It can affect anyone. And so
when I first started telling my story, I was still
so I put out bits and then it was like
a Persian and again it wasn't so much. I guess

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I want. I needed to heal from and I needed
to say it. I needed to get it out right
and then and and that was my process of healing.
And I tell everybody all the time, you know, putting
yourself out there is not easy and it's not for everybody,
but I believe that. Yeah, but I believe that God
allow for me to put my testimony out so that

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other people know they weren't alone. That other people know
that if I can get through it and overcome it
and conquer it, so can you.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's good and I'm grateful that you're taking the time
to pour your heart out at this level so that
people can get better. And what I think i've heard
you say too, is that some of the biggest challenges
that you've seen that's dealing with mental health awareness in
the faith based community and the African American community has
been based on myths and perceptions, and so we can

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get over those and find out what are some solutions,
then people can hopefully have a better outcome and dealing with,
like you said, the suicide suicide prevention themselves, as well
as losing loved ones to suicide. And I was looking
here at the statistic and.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
This one is from.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
The Racial and Ethnic Disparities Black Population Suicide rates among
Black or African Americans from twenty eleven to twenty twenty,
and it's thirteen point five per.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
One hundred thousand people in twenty twenty. That's that's huge. So,
yes it is.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yes, it is a staggering number of even African Americans
that are committing suicide. And so it's not just based
on the color of someone who can.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's a myth too, unfortunately, Yes it is, and it's
a myth and a lot of times in our community too,
we're kind of like, shake it off. But you don't
tell somebody with the diabetes to shake it off under
no circumstances. We don't tell somebody with a heart condition
to shake it off.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
No, you know, so it needs to be her that
you need with the whoever God has blessed with that
particular skill set, that's who you go and get checked
by to determine what's going on. And so God God
created in my opinion, I'm only speaking on behalf of kim.
God created the physicians too, and so if they're able

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to use their gifts and their talents to say, this
is what we see as a potential issue for you,
and we want to give you some resolution, then you
might want to take heat to.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Some of the advice.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You may not go the prescription route. Maybe you may
go holistic or all natural or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And some people don't use any of that.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
They just say, you know what, I'm strictly going to
pray and ask God to just remove this and be
healed and by the stripes of Jesus. And that happens too,
because God still works miracles. So there are a variety
of things that happen.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, it is a variety. And I tell every body
all the time. I tell people, you know, use your desernment,
you know, but also allow for God to give you wisdom.
But you have to be open to it. You have
to be open because healing comes in a range of ways,
you know. And one of the things, like I said,
you know, when when you're dealing with mental health illnesses

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and when you're dealing with especially in your home and
in your community, we have to be transparent about it.
We have to be honest. We have that.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
This person made a good point, so make sure you
read that at some point in the midst of being.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Honest and transparent.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Not sweeping in the attic, or in the basement or
in the back of the closet. Plenty of places of
not trauma when you're within your own home, confined.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Oh yeah, and sometimes we have to be honest when
they're you know, when people there are people who how
can I say, I'm trying to let sure I put
my words right, but there are some people we normalize trauma,
you understand what that's the best way to word it.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
What you're saying is it's perfect because it's nothing normal
about a person considering suicide. It's nothing normal about it
having to be you, having to witness people dying from suicide.
It's nothing normal about somebody taking your innocence as a
child and you have it to carry that all the

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way throughout your childhood and into your.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Adult years where you're now.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
You're still talking about it at this point because it
impacted your entire existence.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
So there's no about that it's not. But I also
say that it's not your We can't allow you can't
allow on. It's easier said than does. So when I
say this, I'm saying this with love and compassion. I'm
saying it's someone who's been there, who's still you know,
And I mean healing is not a Grief is not

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a straight line, and forgiveness is not a straight line.
It's all a process. It's all the journey. So I
say that that for someone out there is that don't
allow your trauma to define you. Don't allow your trauma
and your past to define who you are, who you

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think you are, because at the same time, it's how
you overcome those traumas, it's how you conquer and face
your obstacles and your challenges that defines who you are.
That's right, and you can get through and we can overcome.
So I want to get someone hope, you know what
I mean. I want to get I want to challenge
us to be brave enough to break generational strongholds. Because again,

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you know, if mental health mental health illnesses and conditions
and personality disorders, so mental health is half a rereditary
and half learned. That's right. One you can't control one.
You have more control over than we think and what
we've been taught. But you are, you are really passionate

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about this.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's what I'm just trying to make sure I give
you plenty of space to talk about it. Now, what
advice would you give because there are some people that
want to help, they want to step in and intervene,
but they don't know where to start. So any advice
on what you would give to people that want to
help in their community and dealing with mental health issues
with individuals.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, yes, ma'am, I tell anybody again as you know,
as for guidance, you know what I mean. And sometimes
God to give you signs. You know, sometimes God would
give you signs on how you can be a to
give back and how you can be able to touch
and what your purpose is. And I do believe that
He blesses those steps and if you ask for your
steps to be guided, it will be for me. I

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started volunteering and walking with American Foundation of Suicide Prevention
Beautiful and so that even with Project Wings. How Project
Wings came about was from that dream of staph right,
but then it didn't take hold into and I started
walking with AFSP. They have Out of the Darkness community walks.

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They also have advocacy programs. They have safe talk programs
where you can learn about suicide prevention and awareness, the
same thing with Nomine National Lines of Mental Illness. You know,
we've been very blessed Project Wings, and I gonna want
to be able to talk about that some more. Project
Wings has been very blessed as an organization because one

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of the primary goals of Project Wings is to be
able to be a hub of healing for people. And
so we've been very blessed over the years to partner
with organizations such as AFSP and NOMINY. We've been blessed
to partner with mental health professionals. So my advice with
anybody is that start, you know, look at your heart

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and start where your passion is. You know, there's many
organizations out there, mental health organizations or social and community
organizations that deal with like mental health to deal with you,
to deal with elders that deal with grief. Because I
tell people, even though you may not be the one
in five that have a mental health illness, you can

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still be suffered from a mental health crisis. That's right.
And grief is a crisis. It's a national crisis, and
we don't deal with that. We haven't properly even been
taught how to grief and how to deal with grief.
Think about that because sometimes you know, people will negate
your grief process. So one of them.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Everything you're saying, I feel like I'm in church right
now just hearing you preach, because everything that you're saying,
people do try to minimize how you are feeling and
in what phase they feel you should be at within
the process. So let's let's answer this question too, and
sit back from the camera so that your forehead isn't
cut off.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, but it says, question, do you.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Think slavery mentality affects community's acceptance of mental illness?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I sure do. And not only that, And I'm gonna
say this. We were Project Wings a few years I
mean just a few years ago. We were on the
a f sp A local chapter panel, okay, state wide panel.
We were the only organization of color. And one of
the things that I brought up was how racism contributed

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to was you was contributed to mental health disorders and
crisis for people of color. Now, that's unique because no
other culture goes through it like that. No other culture
experienced the slavery post traumatic slavery disorder. Okay, no other
culture has experienced the oppression, the trauma and everything and

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the racism and and and doctor Joseph Smedley, who was
a wonderful UH psychiatrist in Indianapolis, Indiana. By the way,
it has been very integral to Project Wings. He talks
about that, he talks about how we should how we
have the images, you know, of our people being killed.
Now we gotta think about that in the media, and

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it plays over and over, So think about what that's
doing to us.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, there's actually a statement here from I'm gonna read
this statement. It says a statement from Mark Rowland, keep
executive of.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
The Mental Health Foundation.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Racism means using the concept of race to judge or
treat someone worse than others. It exists in many forms
and on many levels in society, including even in healthcare.
It can include acts of discrimination and prejudice towards individuals
and groups. This is his own statement here, but it
can also describe wider systems of oppression. So it is

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racism is a mental health issue because racism causes trauma,
and trauma can contribute to the development and worsening of
ill mental health. So that's his statement, and that's mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Oh yes, in a nutshell, it sums up a lot. Okay, honey,
I tell you when we was on that panel and
I said that you could hear a pin drop, You
could hear a pin drop, but it needed to be
addressed and it was the truth, you know. And I
felt like many organizations, whether they are black or brown

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or not. They need to be addressing the impact of
what racism and what slavery has done as far as
mental health in America, you know. And so that's another
thing when our children are seeing and the fact of
the matter is when our children are seeing so much
death in the media, online, social media, they seeing any

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of their neighborhoods, some of them have trauma in their home.
They don't have conflict resolution. They haven't been taught coping skill.
They haven't been you know, So conflict resolution and coping
skills haven't been taught. And so we wonder why they're
taking their own lives. They're taking each other's lives, and
then their lives are being taken by through racism and oppression.

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So it's it's it's real, and it needs to be addressed,
and we need to be compassionate, empathetic, and we need
to be proactive. You have to be proactive. And it
starts at home, they say, charity starts at home. Well,
so does healing. Yes it does.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And you know what, I normally keep my show and
the church stuff very separate, but I'm actually right now
on my phone sharing this particular episode to our church community. Too,
because I think it's so important that people tune in,
no matter what church you're going to, half your members,
if you're a pastor, or if you are at a church,

(27:52):
half some of your your church members tune in and
watch this episode because this is very helpful information that's
being shared here. The way we think about how we
even deal with mental health and how we choose to
help people get through the scenarios that they're dealing with
makes a huge difference. Based on what tomorrow, Elon g
Is saying. Tonight, somebody said, thank you for sharing your testimony.

(28:15):
Master's Way Creation says, thank you for sharing your testimony,
being an inspiration and for making a difference. You are
truly amazing, great job, says I am proud of you,
warrior overcomer, truly blessed. Thank you for that comment, Master's Way,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Lots of people.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Are tuning in saying different things to you, just to
encourage you to and you stepping out of your comfort
zone of sharing this.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, let's move Let's move on to tell me what sparked.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I would like for you to talk about what sparked
Project Wings and I know the Acronymber I want to
hear what sparked it.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Okay, So again after that dream and I and that
God gave it to me. And so when I came over,
Project Wins is or initially a one not was for
the name. Rather it was initially for a program that
my aunt and my mother was doing in honor of
my grandmother, but it didn't come into fruition. And two,
I was at Scott United Methodist Church in Indianapolis, Indiana.

(29:15):
So and that was twenty sixteen or twenty fifteen when
I came and twenty sixteen when we began to meet,
and it was me Vertha Cooper, who also became was
vice president and later president of Project Wings as well.
And we had Joshua Jordan who was our earth son

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and he's now transitioned and that's as of November twenty
twenty three. We lost him thirty four years old. That
was very hard, but he was very instrumental and very
brave in the formation of Project Wings. And we had
Patricia Dickerson, and we was also under Reverend doctor James Anika.

(29:55):
And I want to shout all their you know, all
give up my flowers to them because they are the
co founders we got together with Project Wings and again
we inspired nurture God and support those who were struggling
with mental health conditions and our mental health crisis in
our community. And it was this We started out building

(30:17):
on the existant mental health ministry that was there, and
we started out as survivors, and we started out as
is helping each other. It was a support group okay, okay,
And we ended up through the and then we started
our program in a twenty seventeen and prisonvered through COVID

(30:37):
because we were first first just having groups like once
or twice a month, but during COVID, we started meeting weekly,
you know, not only to support ourselves but other people
who were struggling. Especially COVID made a lot of people struggle.
That brought out a lot of that illness, yes it did.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
And live isolated from everybody else, and some people we
didn't even know we're having mental breakdowns and mental health
crises because they were alone.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yes, yes, and and and domestic violence rays during that time,
you know that abuse, you know, substance abuse. So we
started out that little engine it could and we started
out with just support group meetings, but we then we
started having workshops and the workshops and we call them

(31:28):
coping skills workshops because again we're keeping we're teaching coping
skills or you know, one of the things that help
people with your mental health, whether you got a condition
or just people period. What mental health was for everyone
first of all, that.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Everybody, everybody something that we have some level of mental
health to grab hold to and gain better control over,
depending upon whatever life circumstances are, and like something can
trigger you.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
And again when we're dealing with mental health crisis, chronic
pain is a mental health crisis. There's people struggling with
chronic pain. I've been there, I know what that is. Again, grief,
people struggling with grief is a mental health crisis. I
know I lost some loved ones to COVID. I know
there were other people who lost So during that time,
God just expanded the program and we were just so

(32:23):
blessed and we were and just saying this. We were
blessed to have a pastor and some people that supported
us because again we were talking about things that churches didn't.
We hadn't at that point. A lot of churches don't
deal very deep.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
With mental health. Every church because the church is filled
with people and according to statistics at least from the
World Health Organization, one in every eight people in the world,
So every every eight members in our church, one of
them is dealing with a mental disorder according to the.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Organization's right, Yes it is, yes, it is. So you
know they say that everybody got something. We have to
and again we have to be transparent. So what we
loved about we had so much support there and what
we were able to do with we expanded even to
be able to do a singles parents ministry hard We

(33:21):
did a homeless outreach and we made care packages for
the homelessness some people. It's just because a lot of homeless,
homeless individuals are also doing you know, as it was
all of mental health illnesses and conditions and crisis. So
you know, even making care packages for him and ministering
to them and letting them know that they could come

(33:42):
to that church and not be judged, and you know, yeah,
we we were able to do that and we had
some we partnered with mental health professionals. We had an organization,
I mean, we had an event that we did every
year called G two G Generation of Generation, which was
brainchild of doctor James Anik a and yes, generation to generation,

(34:07):
and we would do we would have vendors and we
would have different forms and panels. And one of the
things that Project WANs did was have a mental health block.
So we invited mental health professionals to come in and
people to be able to come in, ask your mental
health questions, get your get resources, and be able to
address everything that we talked about. So we talked about

(34:31):
we talked about l b g q T plus community
and their spiritual mental health journey. We addressed UH sexual
abuse and dysfunction, We addressed substance abuse, we address of
course the mental illness, and we addressed home of origin
and yeah, home of origin. And I do this with

(34:53):
my my aunt, Diana Durham McLoud in Chicago, and we've
done several workshops on this. Again, I want people to
look at your homes and that's one of the hardest
things to do. That's all that's necessary, and so it
all starts.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
In the home, is where you're saying, and that's where
the foundation is beginning for people to grow and flourish.
But it's also the foundation where some people are being
traumatized and prevented from being able to be all that
they could be. According to the World Health Organization, to
a mental health disorder is characterized by clinically significant disturbance

(35:27):
and an individual's cognitive, emotional.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Regulation or behavior.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
And it's all different types of forms of mental health
or where illness is.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But nine hundred and seventy million.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
People around the world, according to these statistics, are living
with mental health disorders. So it's not something that we're
just sitting on here when we're talking about bringing balance
to your house, bringing balance to the world. This is
a necessary conversation. And I see all of you all
are chiming in, so let's put some more comments up.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thank you so much. I'm sorry I can't see everybody,
but Kim help me between you. Me and we talked
about our glasses memories, like one of us got to
put these glare glass nobody got to put some glasses
on you for your responses, is what Lauren said.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And Mackenzie said, I am a happy medicated individual. Me
medicated is better for my mental health as for my
husband's health as well.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I love that you.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Said that, Mackenzie. You want to talk about that because
not everybody's willing to put it out there that they
are on some type of mental health.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, you know, I'm gonna I'm just gonna tell people,
always do your research. I don't care what medication you're on.
You know what I mean. You do what's best for
you for your mental and your spiritual and your physical health.
That's what I tell people, you know, So I don't
tell I tell people to follow the advice a mental
health professional. You know. So there's some people who are

(37:03):
strictly holistic. And I've been there. I've been on medication
and I've been off medication. I've been holistic, you know
what I mean. And you know, so everybody's journey is
is unique. Thank you so much for Mackenzie. Yes, and
and and stay encouraged and keep continue to take care

(37:25):
of yourself. And thank you for your transparency and your honesty.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And we want to be and encourage people to be
to get the help that they need and however that's
gonna come, as long as it's best for you. That's good,
very good. This is a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And keep your comments and your questions coming in if
you have any for our guests today.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I want to also know from you.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
What kind of workshops and support groups do your organization
offer and how can people that are watching today to
tune into it benefit from it, whether it's virtual or
in person.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Can you tell us more about yourself, yes, ma'am. So
we offer coping skills workshop as far, and we we
use a lot of art therapy, and so I want
to be also talk about art just definitely saved my life.
So when we the new direction of Project Wings and
using more art therapy techniques, but we've done in the past,
so whether that is coloring, drawing, painting, scoping. Art therapy

(38:23):
has been known to not only really stress and tension
and anxiety, but to relieve depression. And it's been known
to work with anybody from veterans to anybody struggling with
PTSD again and to save my life. I'm a visual
artist as well writing journaling, I tell people. So we
offer all those different workshops to be able to h

(38:47):
to address different topics, different needs and goals of each
of each client or group. And it's it's the fellowship too,
you know what I mean a lot of times when
we do it in group. Yeah, dellowship is part of
self care and it's part of a healing journey. It's
good for you.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
That's why, that's why it's important for people that do
go to the different churches and things to fellowship together
with other believers, because even if you're that person, especially
going COVID, we got into the to the mode of
I'll just be home and I'll stay home and I'm
good and I'm content. But really, whenever you get the
opportunity to come together with other pockets of believers, whether

(39:28):
it's through your networking groups, your network marketing groups, whether
it's through your church or nonprofit organization, if you're volunteering,
or if you're going out feeding the home, you want
to get with some like minded people that will also
help edify you and uplift you and build you up too,
so that you're not on an isolated island by yourself.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
How do people think? Okay?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Here good, This is thank you Mackenzie. Mackenzie helped me
backstage because I didn't stay connected with you. I want
people to know how they can stay connected with you.
We're gonna keep talk, but give them ways they can
stay connected with you.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Right now, Okay, yes, ma'am, y'all can find me and
stay connected. We have Project Wens both on Facebook and
on Instagram. We also have you can find me on
the Tomorrow line Gee on Facebook and Instagram.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I tell people I'm still learning TikTok. I'm on TikTok too,
but I ain't doing whatever I am, you know, so
you can always reach out to me.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
One thing about me I tell people all the time, please,
I ask God to use me. I ask God to
use me as a vessel of life, and so I
know that I'm blessed when i'm you know, when I
come into other like minded people. And a lot of
times even you know, don't care who you are. Sometimes
our life gets dimmed, but we can never let our

(40:51):
life go out. So it's important to be able fellowship.
So I tell people if you need me, if you
need to talk, you know, call me, reach out to me.
I'm here. That's what I'm here for. That's what we
are here for. So we you know, again, even our
support groups, I can come, We come in and we
help people get support groups going. We feel facilitate whether

(41:14):
there's grief groups. I do a grief actually, I do
a meditation and a grief group at my job. Now
I'm going to tell you I at my job, I
wasn't trying to do that, but the spirit led me
because the I work at Brukdale Senior Living by the Way,
and the residents needed the residents needed it, and so
I asked God about it. There's some extra work and

(41:36):
I'm not getting paid for it, but it was a
need and so we answer the call and so I
facilitate a meditation and a grief group there.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Well, you want to volunteer our church because we're looking
for opportunities to volunteer and partner with different senior facilities,
homeless communities. Please let me know outside of just to
show here, because we don't want to just be in
the church building. We want a large group of people
to go out and make an impact in the community.
So I'm looking forward to some partnership opportunities there.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yes, ma'am, please, we would love that. And there's a blessing.
So yes, you can find me on Project Wings on Instagram,
Facebook tomorrow li g on Instagram and Facebook. And I
know again I can attest how an art has saved
my life. I tell people, you know, So let's talk
about I want to talk real quick about some self

(42:29):
care tips. Okay, how do we get through what we
need to get through how do we get through our storms?
How do we get through our challenge? Yes, well, the
first thing you need to do is have self care.
Because one of the things too that happens with black
and brown communities and specifics specifically in the black community,

(42:51):
is that we've been talking not the rest and the
devil is a liar and the devil is a lie.
But if you think about this, and Minister Luverne Hall
again very instrumental to we've had some wonderful therapists and
Project Wings. We partner with mental health professionals that will
you know, do some sessions that will come in and

(43:13):
they facilitate groups and virtually online right now because I'm
relocated to Charlotte. But we have Minister Luverne Hall, we
have doctor Joseph Smedley, we have we have what a
Reverend Ricky Richard Fields. I call him Ricky because we
going to Indianapolis. Is that what you yeah? That? Well,

(43:34):
Reverend Richards Fields is in Detroit. Minister Luverne Hall and
doctor Joseph Smedley are both in Indianapolis. Well, we can
get we can always link you up. We will link
you over mental health professionals.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And it's virtue right, anybody, no matter where you are
in the country, you can access. If you connect with
Tomorrow Elon g You're gonna be able to get connected
to the proper resource that she's gonna personally connect you to.
And I said that she appreciates you being so personable
and she has totally enjoyed your workshops that she's attended.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Thank you for that testing at me, Kanye, We appreciate it.
Thank you. Art and music are wonderful therapy techniques and
so relaxing. It's peaceful. Humans were never meant to.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Be alone, Teresa said, And I wanted you. I do
want you to talk about too, in what ways has art,
whether it's through performance, writing, speaking, helped you heal personally?
Because I know you're helping other people, but how is
it helping you personally?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Hell, oh my goodness. Let me tell you When I
was I'm going to tell you all this. When I
was little, I was kind of eyed a little bit,
so when other kids was playing, I was writing and
making little Manila little comic books and stuff like that.
So it's started when I was little writing And I
say that, and then by the time I was in

(44:54):
junior high. I was in Magnet programs for writing and
for visual art, and it helped. It was how I
cold what I didn't realize. I didn't have a name
for it then, but it was what got me through.
I can write, I can escape, I can express myself.
So even when I'm performing, whether I'm coming in and

(45:16):
creating a wellness and affirmation circles for productions, because that's
very important. I do that as well a lot of times,
I mean theater, and especially if it's a subject matter
this can be triggering. And I tell people this, you know,
I tell stage managers and directors and producers this that
you know, what kind of mental health space are you
offering for your actors and your crew? Right right? Okay?

(45:41):
So that's very important because when people coming in from
work or they come in from wherever they're coming through
and you have I've dealt with it, and you going
with going into rehearsals, they bringing that energy in, right okay.
And if it's a a and if it's a typical,
if it's a topic that's very true, green or something,
how you helping them the release stress are decompressed from that.

(46:06):
So our therapy and creating a safe space for performers
is very important as well, because our therapy again has
been shown to just be prolific in your healing journey,
and it is just helped me tremendously. Like I said,
this is my one of my coping skills. And I
tell anybody all the time, we all got gifts. God

(46:28):
gives us all gifts.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Every person, every person, every person, So that little thing
that we take for granted, it's actually a gift from God.
It's also a coping skill. So whether you love music
is very again instrumental.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Also, I do mindful mindfulness exercise, so so I meditate.
And I know a lot of people again beginning to church,
when some church believers don't believe in meditation, and thein't
think they think that's a new way, but it really is.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Understand when I meditated, when I'm praying to me, that
is I'm blocking everything else out. I'm spending time with
the Lord in my quiet space, no interruptions, just me
and the Lord.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And that's right.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I consider that an honor and a privilege that he
would even take time to bend his ear down to
hear my prayer.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
That's you can't get that in the midst of a
bunch of noise. You can't say, but that also comes
from us being taught not to be still. See when
you've been talk and that's a slavery mentality too. Then
when we rest, when we dead, you ever hear that
the missus little ring brought that up. It all has
to be done now. Or when you be still, you're

(47:43):
not being productive or you're being lazy. Some it is peace,
be still. And even in scripture says that you are
supposed to pray and meditate upon the Word, so we
know that meditation is also a gift from God. And
I would tell someone also that research has shown that

(48:03):
this is very and I always think this is so
I mean, I just think this is so powerful. How
scientists can try to go out and disprove God, okay,
but every time they try to they come back two
ways that I've seen ways, are you seeing they come
back believers or they come back? Why I can't disprove it?

(48:24):
You know why because even in instance of prayer meditation,
when we only use ten of we only use ten
percent of our brain. That's right, okay, But during prayer
and meditation there are actually areas of your brain that
is activated. It's not activated any other time. The science
has proved this. Neo scientists approve this. It's the god gene.

(48:49):
I want people to do your research and look it
up for god gen for god.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Gen y'all, somebody type that God this woman.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Right now, the god gene. Oh my god, it really is.
So think about you are Actually when you're meditating, when
you're praying, you're not only activating areas of your brain
that is not usually activating, but you're empowering. See, meditation
also helps rewire your brain and some of your circuits

(49:21):
and everything. And you know, I'm not using on scientific.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
It's literally if you google, it's very clear. It says
that it specifically is hypothesized to influen to Yeah, to
influence a person's predisposition towards spirituality and mystical experiences by
affecting their neurotransmitter levels. It's faith is hardwired into the genes.

(49:45):
Proposes that this gene, along with other genes, is a
product of natural selection that enhances self transcendence.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Anyway. It can go on and on and on. Yes,
thank you for that. I love it. Research, Yeah, I
that's what we do. So you know, I want to
encourage people. So some of the self care tips that
you can do is, you know, again, rest, you know
what I mean, Rest and have peace and resting. Okay,

(50:16):
honor your journey, you know, have compassion and grace for
yourself because I know for a fact, I know I
can be hard on myself sometimes and God had to
get with me. I had to get chastised about it.
Give yourself the grace and the compassion and the empathy
to yourself that we give to others. That's self care.

(50:36):
That's important. That's important, you know, drinking your water, exercising,
utilizing mindfulness exercises, so whether that is yoga for some,
whether that again is meditation. And I also tell people
as far as the creative part, as far as our therapy.
There's another thing that I find fascinating about journaling. Okay,

(51:00):
for people that don't journal, I want to encourage people
to journal. You know why not only is it an
expression and your creative expression and you release a lot,
but that's your legacy. Yes see, our culture we have grios.
We used to have grios. That was the storyteller, that

(51:20):
was the history of keeper. And so what happens, what
better legacy. Can you leave your children than to be
to have them journals? Because it's not you know, your
children's gonna see us far. Our children are gonna see
us sin even some of us, they're gonna see us
fail because we're human. No one is perfect. But that's
not what That's not as important as seeing how you've

(51:43):
overcome it. O, how did you conquer it? How did
you face it? How did you get through? Because when
you gone and we all got to go, guess what
your children, your grandchildren have in their words? You know,
MEMI went through this, that's what she got through the journal. Yes,
it's so it's a legacy thing too. So when my

(52:05):
children get my journal and I laugh about it, I said,
they're gonna be the parts, oh mama, but but right there.
But what's important is the lessons, the lessons that we
leave behind, the motivation that we leave behind. So journaling

(52:28):
is not just for you, but it's also for your
for your family.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna type that journal. I put it over
there on Instagram. But journaling is a part of your legacy. Yes,
make sure you know that. And I actually I had
a situation tomorrow where I was teaching on Sunday, and
I was talking about.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Being a legacy leader.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
And in the scriptures that we were coming from, we
were talking about this grand grandmother Lois and the mother
units and saw Timothy, and how important it was that
Paul was actually give in showing favor to Timothy all
because of his grandma and his mama.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
So we are going to.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Be somebody's grandma and mamas and different things. And if
you don't even physically have children, you can be spiritual
parents to somebody. And that that same night, God put
this thing in motion and put me to a test.
I came out on Mother's Day to a parking lot
filled with hundreds of Hispanic people that went to a

(53:30):
concert and the car told truck people told all of
their cars, hundreds of hundreds, but there was not enough
room at the place for them to actually go to
the concert, so they had to park somewhere. The young people,
five children, came up to me tomorrow and they said,
can you please help me? And I was like, oh
my gosh, God like trying to put me to a

(53:51):
test right now. And sure enough, me and.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Some of my children that were with me, we helped them.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Ended up taking them over to the abandoned place where
they can get their car, only after they had to
pay four hundred dollars. They had to pay an additional
four hundred dollars on the spot in order to get
access to even know the address of where.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Their car was.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Oh wow, crazy stuff that's happening in this world. Into
a tail spend mentally. Mentally, yeah, I can just turn
you sideways. People can get it work quick.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And we don't want it and
we don't want to talk about it. But now, more
than ever is when we need those coping skills and
conflict resolution because we don't want to talk about let's
talk about it that I am the mental anguish that
this turn administration is doing. A lot of people are fearful,

(54:45):
a lot of people are hurt, a lot of people
are confused, a lot of people are angry. Okay, So
this is now more than ever, it's where we need
to be compiling our resources together, keeping our mental in,
our spiritual and our physical health altogether. We have got

(55:07):
to and we've got to lead the way in that
because when I look at our children, you know it
wasn't them to drop the ball. Let's be honest, now,
a lot of time it was the generation and the
generation before. Again, this is generational things, This is generational strongholds.
So how do we teach them how to be able
to have to be able to cope. How do we

(55:29):
teach them how to be able to survive and presevere
and build our resilience because even with suicide, suicide occurs
when your coping skills don't ourwaigh what your life stressors?
And we all gonna have life stressing all. The Lord
even said that we're gonna have trials and tribulations, but
for not for all, I have come to overcome the world.

(55:51):
You know what I mean? So we you know, we're
gonna have troals and tribulations, but we have to be
able to teach and we have to We have to
pray this and we have to teach and preach how
to be able to have coping skills, have conflict resolution,
self care and taking care of your from mind, body
and spear, taking care of yourself and making it apart.

(56:16):
We have to.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
This is good and people are commenting. I hope I'm
getting as many of the comments up as possible, Tanya said,
keeping it all together, Teresa said, is that robotic robotic
customer service and outsourcing customer service people sends.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
People over oh oh.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Instead of having a human being dealing with things, people
are being replaced with these robots, is what I think
Teresa's saying. And that's sending people over the deep into
oh my god, robbing citizens by policy. This is this
is awesome the conversation, y'all. We can we canna end
up talking about this all night. Literally, I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
It's some good stuff here.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I do want to put a few of these pictures
up and images these are yours and.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
You oh yeah, that's yes, that's some Project Wings and
Project Wings. The young man with the glasses on right
there is Joshua so please, you know, loving tribute to
Joshua Jordan and yeah, and the red shirt. He was
a he's a co founder of Project Wings. We also
have brit Anderson, the young lady that is on your

(57:28):
i'll guess to my right with the glasses down here.
She was vice president and also a workshop facilitator. She
works at the Boys and Girls Club in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Did a wonderful job. Was my right hand as well.
And then we had no longer here either. Yeah, she's
still here. Oh no, she is very well. Just got

(57:49):
to give her master's degree of Social work. She is
thriving and surviving. So one shout out to my baby,
I love you. And then we have Demi Demi there
in the red. We have my girl Frankie in the middle,
and we have Michael Collins. And down there at the
end is my grandbaby. Because again so that is our

(58:11):
afsp out of the darkness community walk, and again that
we show our babies, you know. So my grand baby
went everywhere with me when I did, whether there's productions,
where there's been workshops, whether it's been suicide walks, my
grandbaby has been with me because I want again to
be able to show, you know, I have to show her.

(58:33):
You have to show them. It's not just telling them.
You have to show them what community service is. You
have to show them what service and being obedient to
God is. You have to show them how to pursue
their dreams and go about their calling and their purpose.
You have to show them yes, yes, okay, And this
is Joshua again over here in the glasses. That's miss

(58:55):
pat Dickerson and the White and wanted to call again
whole founder and then that's brit Anderson again and Bri
spoke that Sun days, yes, and that one picture you
had up the next one oh here yeah, yeah, that's Joshua.
That was his first AFSP walk, So yeah, I see

(59:17):
all kinds of great things back here. That that is
Kelsey Aaron who is now she's the director over a
FSP Indiana chapter. And again she was just so uh
instrumental in getting us mental health resources and AFSP resources

(59:37):
that we could share to the community. That we shared
at our events. They're very supportive, very loving people. Yes,
we's at Black s fo we that is an article
me setting out again you can have God in the
therapist too. So I was setting out setting up our
resource table at church and this I know you want

(59:59):
me to put this one up. I want to pop down.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
So we have everybody that's ever been evolved us far
with Project Wings, all our facilitators. I could go through everybody.
I just I can't see everybody. I mean I can,
but you don't gave.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
So many shout outs. So you definitely have the heart
to shout everybody out and to celebrate people. But I
just want I hope they looking and they can see
themselves from Matt See Brian Tremaine Presley, Miss Pam Prior
is over the Wings Ministry now it's Scott, you're not
a Methodist church because we had a transition, especially when
I left, and Miss Pam is now over, so there's

(01:00:39):
still a Wings Ministry. It's Scott, You're not a Methodist
church in Indianapolis, Indiana. And I saw this too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I just want to make sure I can see that
you like giving flowers and tribute and stuff. What is
this here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
And that says we are not all in the same fault,
but we are all in the same storm. Yes, you
know what I mean. Again, you know, and we want
to get out of comparing trauma too. Sometimes we do that,
you know what I mean. We're not here to compare trauma.
We're not here to do that. Well, we're here to
overcome it and conquer it together. Yes, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I just think that it's so much that you've shared
in this short period of time tonight. But I want
people to know that they can stay. I saw another
image here. All of these images I want to put
I want to put them up because they're all so profound.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
And these are affirmations again, whether you're journaling it, whether
you say it to yourself during meditation or say it
out loud every day. You know what I mean. You
are worthy your value, and so we have to be
able to speak because your body and your spirits listen
is power of the tongue. So I tell people all

(01:01:51):
the time, you know, speak over yourself. And you know,
I love the song encourage yourself. You know what I
mean by Donald Wawrence, And I love that song got
me through it many times. So again, you know, praise music,
you know, do things for yourself to lift your spirit
and encourage yourself, and that rate. There is a suicide
prevention lifeline. We want people to be knowledgeable that again

(01:02:14):
you are not alone and if you need help, there
are resources and help out there, you know. And if
you know someone that is suicidal and struggling with suicide
ideology and attempts, you know, act on it, act on it.
And there again we have Project Wings members and co
founders to go. Miss Verretha Cooper there with the scarf

(01:02:38):
on her head, vice president and president. She probably killed
me for this picture, different picture of me, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
She's still some other ones I'm trying to represent it.
That's my grand baby.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
And one of the workshops they were doing, they were
talking about emotions. Again, we teach those things what's bad
and more what's good emotions, what's things you can control
and what you can't control, and how to cope through
it and have conflict resolution as well. That's really good.
So you have something for every age is what I'm also.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yes, we do, and so when people reach out to you,
even they can reach out to you and your group
regarding their young people, to the children.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yes, right, see okay, and again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
And then I think it was one was this something
that you wanted me to Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
That was again that was the worst shop. Again that
was showing them and so they can visualize it and
see if things you can control, things you can. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Well, while we're showing things, I just want to make
sure that I take a moment two to just say.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Uh, it's just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I want to say happy birthday to my niece because
it's her birthday. I didn't put any music to it
because it'll get a copyright strike, but Sharday, I love you.
Her mom transitioned from this earth to move to heaven.
That's her mom and the cold from shirt and so
I know that she's smiling down from heaven today as
Shardy is celebrating her birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Happy blessed birthday, Baby, Happy blessed birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I'm so excited. She's a mommy and a wife and
just a wonderful young lady. And God gave me the
opportunity to help assist with raising her. So I just
wanted to say happy birthday to you, Sharday. Love you
so much and so glad that you are my niece.
All right, all right, anything that is going to be

(01:04:32):
happening in the near future with Project Wings that you
want people to know about, and Mackenzie put the contact
information of one more time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
To thank you. Well, I'll be in Indianapolis, Indiana this
weekend to do a workshop and it's a mental health
check in for women. It's called Women. You good you read,
lou I hope I'm saying that right that was gifted
upon me. So we're gonna be doing again. We're gonna
do some meditation, we're gonna do some journaling, we're gonna

(01:04:59):
give mental health tips, and we're gonna have drumming and things.
So that's this weekend at yes, yes, a whole healing
empowerment uh event for you know, for women and well,
you know, just a mental health check in because again,
especially Black women, we were a muse of the world
that Zora Neil Hurston said, and we carried the way

(01:05:21):
to so much. Yes, and we do. We do not
self you know, utilize self care as much. And we
know we need to, you know, be able to have
sisterhood and fellowship and therapy and all shape forms and fashion.
So I'll be doing that this weekend and then next
month I would be again back in Indianapolis. But I
also do events here. Well I've been. I actually spoke

(01:05:44):
in my first woman empowerment event with Miss Stacy Brace.
I was spoke in March and that was very impactful.
So I'll be in Indianapolis again next month doing a workshop.
We're gonna do family Mental Health Night. Excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yes, all right, well listen y'all, make sure you stay
connected with tomorrow elon g you cannot go wrong. I
also encourage you, and we didn't talk about this tonight,
but I can tell you that spiritual leaders also need encouragement.
And it does our heart really glad when people think
of you and think about some of the things that

(01:06:20):
you have had to overcome and traumatizing situations. Many of
you know that I wear this pen which represents my
son that transitioned from this earth. But this Sunday, this
past Sunday, the church gave me a pendant because I
often say, dog, I only wear my pen with my
son that passed away. But I have five children total,

(01:06:43):
and on this pendant. Guess what they gave one with
all of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
My children on the other side of it. That is,
so all five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Of my children are on that side, and then my
son Gabriel, who's in heaven, is on nessa that you
don't know that does for my mental health because my
church members to even think enough of me to do
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
You don't take those kind of things for granted. And
I'm definitely not gonna start crying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
And I'm great enough God that I say that to
say that spiritual leaders don't think that just because they're
the spiritual leaders, that they don't need to be surrounded
by strong people too that can help uplift and and
encourage them as well. Let's just make sure y'all do that. Okay,
to you, your leaders, Well, you've been.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
So you are a blessing in the gym to the
world your light. Thank you for all that you're doing.
And you are all deserving to bed to get your
flowers for all that you do. And I want you
to stay encouraged and I want you to be taking
care of yourself. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You know that you have loved I'm going to be girl.
When I get done, I go to goes to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Be Okay, like what she just completely shut down on
So yes, because it's time for me. All right. Somebody said,
great interview, Great interview.

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If you download that app on Roku and fire TV,

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So thank you CTR Media Network for allowing the Kim

(01:08:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Okay, everybody, that's today's episode. What's a closing comment?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
You have break in generational strongholds, Be brave, be encouraged,
and know that you're not alone and that you can
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
You can do it, you can do it, and based
on what you've said tonight, I feel like everybody should
feel like we can do it a little bit more,
hold on just a little while longer, based on what
you chee, listen, I'm encouraging you all.

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participating as well. You are a blessing to this world.

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Tomorrow, thank you to God be the glory. You're a blessing.
And now, thank you so much for having me. And
I just want everybody stay encourage, stay encourage and push
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Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
You keep letting your life shine the way that it is.
Thank you all so much for being active participants, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
See all of you. Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Titania said, awesome, Kim Jacobs, good night, good night. Everyone
needs this attention and love. Hello from Indianapolis. Breita said,
Cooper lots of chocolate hearts. I see you, Okay, I
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Thank you for being an instrument in the community and
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(01:11:48):
Thank you for tuning in to this episode of The
Kim Jacob Show and we'll see you again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
God bless you and we love you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Have a great night. Thank you for Kinsey backstage. Bye bye, everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Tuning in to today's episode of The Kim Jacobs Show
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Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
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