March 17, 2025 • 66 mins
Mark your calendars for Monday, March 17th at 11:00 AM EST as Evangelist Alyssa L. Rodgers, MA, MS, LCMHC, LPC (IL) joins us on The Kim Jacobs Show!
Alyssa is a Licensed Clinical Therapist, Certified Child-Centered Play Therapist, Wellness Coach, and Educator, with over 15 years of experience serving individuals, families, and communities. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, depression, grief, and loss — bringing a wealth of knowledge and compassion to every space she enters.
With dual Master’s degrees and a Ph.D. in progress, Alyssa is a committed advocate for mental health and wellness.
As a licensed Evangelist in COGIC, she has served faithfully in numerous ministry roles, leading with love, wisdom, and grace.
Happily married for 30 years to Elder Dr. Derrick D. Rodgers, Sr., and proud mom to their son DJ, Alyssa embodies the power of faith, family, and perseverance.
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Alyssa is a Licensed Clinical Therapist, Certified Child-Centered Play Therapist, Wellness Coach, and Educator, with over 15 years of experience serving individuals, families, and communities. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, depression, grief, and loss — bringing a wealth of knowledge and compassion to every space she enters.
With dual Master’s degrees and a Ph.D. in progress, Alyssa is a committed advocate for mental health and wellness.
As a licensed Evangelist in COGIC, she has served faithfully in numerous ministry roles, leading with love, wisdom, and grace.
Happily married for 30 years to Elder Dr. Derrick D. Rodgers, Sr., and proud mom to their son DJ, Alyssa embodies the power of faith, family, and perseverance.
Don't miss this powerful conversation on faith, mental health, healing, and overcoming life’s challenges!
Tune in LIVE and invite your friends to join the conversation! Https://youtube.com/kimjacobsshow
Support our Woman owned Business: PayPal.me/kimjacobsinc or Zelle or Apple Cash: 704-962-7161 or Venmo @Thekimjacobsshow
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lined up for you.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm your host, Kim Jacob's better known as the Balance Doctor,
and all of our guests that come on there either
people that have overcome some tremendous odds in their own
lives as they balance these things called life, or they're
experts and they're here to share tips and strategies that
will help you better balance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And manage your life.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Grab your virtual seats and let's get ready for some real,
relevant and relatable content on today's episode of The Kim
Jacobs Show.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That Jacob.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello, everyone, and welcome to this episode of The Kim
Jacob Show. I am so honored to have Alisa Rogers
with us today and you are in for a tremendous
street to learn about what we're talking about today, which
is grief. Pieces of peace. How do we get peace
in the midst of grief. I'm so glad to have
you here today, Alisa.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I am well? Thank you, Kim, thank you so much
for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well you, I'm telling you, it's almost like you know
how you have Picasso and all of this beautiful art
that's out there. You look like a work of art,
is what I When I see you, I just see
something so elegant and regal.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is that intentional that you have that going on?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, I've heard that before. This is me, this is
just me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well you are our beautiful work of art. And I
don't say that people know. I don't just say that
to everybody, because then it'll be like Kim say that
to everybody to come on, I promise you I don't.
But I don't even say that about myself. So here's
the thing. I'm complimenting you higher than I even compliment myself.
And I'm really glad to have you here today, really glad.
(01:50):
Thank you so much for the opportunity. I look forward
to sharing with you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We're gonna have a great time.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Listen, everybody, grab your virtual seats and make sure you
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balance to the world, one household at a time. And
(02:16):
today our special guest, Alisa L. Rogers is MSMA lcm HCES.
I'm going to give all of those nuggets because it's
important that we know who's before us.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
LPC.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
She holds an MA with a dual focus in clinical
mental health counseling and school counseling. She's a licensed clinical therapist,
certified child centered play therapists, and a wellness coach. So
all of the things that she's going to be talking
about today, she is well versed in these subject matters.
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She has experienced in serving and presenting within school systems,
community agencies, faith based organizations, and private practice in the
areas of trauma, anxiety, depression, adjustment, grief and loss. Now,
I'm gonna also let her talk to you today about
all of the many accolades that she brings to salt
this earth.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But she's also been.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Married for many, many years, many that people aspire to achieve.
I'll let her talk about the exact number of years.
Will go ahead and tell you thirty thirty thirty, Okay.
And she also has one twenty two year old son, DJ,
who is a university senior and student athlete. Needless to say,
she is also heavily involved in ministry, and I have
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to say a quick shout out to her pastor who
is Superintendent Demetrius KA Samuell Senior, and she serves under
Bishop Stinneth Emmanuel Powell and Mother Patricia D. Lofton as
our supervisor of Women. I say all of that to
say I'm a part of the Church of God in
Christ to y'all. So we gotta give a shout out
to our leaders. So glad to have Elisa Rodgers here
(03:55):
today on the Kim Jacob Show. Welcome, thank you, thank
you so much. Okay, so listen today. It's a heavy
topic in my opinion, because it's a lot that we
have to unpack with this.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
What I really want to do is just allow you the.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Opportunity to take us back on your journey and tell
us what you've had to experience to become who you
are today.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So let's just start there, Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Well, initially I did not start off on the road
of clinical mental health.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I was actually in advertising.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
And did that for a while, thoroughly enjoyed it, and
wound up working at my alma mater and got my
first master's degree in Leadership and Human Service Administration, okay,
and which is basically a nonprofit MBA. While doing that,
I felt compelled and drawn to listen, to share, to
(04:52):
help with wellness, and I was told hold on, you
need a license for that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And I said okay.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So over time I started to go into other areas,
but felt a pull to clinical mental health okay. And
when I actually honored what what I believed the Lord
was calling me to do, I earned my second Masters
in clinical mental health counseling with a dual focus in
school counseling.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
After earning the second Masters, I was a middle school
counselor and student support manager. And that is where I
saw the need for therapy at an early age, because
when it's caught, really, there are some things that we
as adults will not even need to deal with nor
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pass on to those that we love. Good regarding grief
and laws, my parents were married for two years.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I was born somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So I don't even remember living with my biological father.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
My mother remarried, my stepfather was in the home for about.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Six years and then not so much.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
My mother almost died when I was nine, and my
biological father died when I was ten. So there was
a fear of grief and loss okay, and then the
confirmation of grief and loss a year later. And I
bring that up because as an adolescent, our brains are
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still developing. That's and there was a lot that I
went through without therapy that now, as a licensed therapist
and play therapist, I see how I would have valued
and benefited from having therapy at a young age.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Wow, Okay, you know what you just said, Like sixty.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Shows episodes, in that initial opening, you had a mother
who almost died, and so that really shifted your direction
towards learning more about trauma loss. And then you also
had your dad who did your biological father who did
pass away when you were the age of nine.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Is what?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So mom almost died at nine and your dad at ten,
and my father did die when I was ten.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Ten years old?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Okay, so now, and then you were raised somewhat for
six years or so by your stepdad, So you had
situations in the home where you were seeing seeing situations
where people were being removed from different aspects of your life.
And so do you feel like that helped you decide
(07:53):
that you would be more focused in this particular area
of trauma, grief and loss as a part of your work.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I think it happened naturally because I had an understanding
and an awareness for what people would need as they
journeyed toward wellness.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I also suffered.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I didn't know if I could have children, and when
I did get pregnant, I lost my first pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So there were a lot of moving parts with grief
and loss. And when I accepted, I believe the call
to being a therapist, grief and loss was one of
the areas that I was really able to reach my
clients in.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And you say you accepted your call because you don't look.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
At this as just what you do for a living.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
This is something that you do really to We call
it salting the earth in my opinion, And how do
you feel the differences between you salting the earth and
working in your calling versus just getting licensed.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
To do this as a career choice.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Because this calling is something that I am not burned
out from. This is something that I feel passionate about,
and I'm always looking for ways to aid my clients
in reaching their wellness more efficiently, more effectively, more well rounded.
(09:33):
And it's just it's it's a natural desire to do.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's not a tug. It's not in terms of a
of a of a of a of a of a draining.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's not It's not something where I feel as though, oh,
here we.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Go another day.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
This is a desire to help others be their best
selves because we know that there are areas of separation
and degrees that they will impact others. So when I
impact one, they're impacting seven.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right, yes, yes, Okay, Well why do you think that
mental health is still such a difficult topic that people,
especially in the faith based community, struggle with any thoughts
on why it's such a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Part of it is cultural, right, and we know cultural
is more than just what we look like opjects. But
culture can be defined as shared ideas, values, and beliefs
held among a group of people. So we can have
culture with our race or ethnicity. We can have culture
within our spiritual faith based groups. We can have culture
(10:52):
in our professions, culture in our neighborhoods. Right, So when
we look at what we are probably folk first predisposed
to in terms of race and ethnics, we know what
we know when we don't know what we don't know,
and once we accept that even though we've heard the
(11:17):
adage what's done in this house.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
When we realize.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
That there may be a need to reach outside of
our homes to be well, then we can accept the help.
And I really I am so grateful from my church,
for my district, from my jurisdiction that looks at the
value of mental health. I have a friend that did
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her dissertation on the value of having prayer and medication.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right, prayer and medication.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, So there are a lot of things that we
can use what may be considered through a secular lens
of the world.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Right, but God.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Allows different types of healings.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Even in the Bible, all the blind that were not
healed the same, that's right, right, all the leopards were
not healed the same. So when we look at how
Jesus used different methods of healing, we want to allow
God to allow us to heal in ways that are
through a word focused lens.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yet it meets the need.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Of the Body of Christ.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's good. That's good, girl.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You gonna have me over here slain in the spirit
because you you've preaching, really believe it. I just tagged
your past or two. I was like, I'm trying to
make sure when I was looking down. I was tagging
the past past the Demetrius Samuel. How important do you
think it is that your faith kicked in in order
to shape your whole philosophy in being a licensed clinical
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therapiest Because most people have their natural clinical therapy practices,
but you've infused faith and clinical therapy.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
How is that to you?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, I went to a faith based school, Regent University.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And I remember during one of.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The residencies, a cohort asked one of our professors, So
we're at a faith based school, should we have a
faith based practice? And the professor said, well, ultimately that
is up to you, right, he said, but I do
want you to keep in mind that there are some
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clients you will have that may never go to a
faith based practice. So if you keep your options open,
then you're able to meet more the needs of more people. Now,
when I go through the assessment, I ask which is
the first session, I ask a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Of questions, okay, all in.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
My client's business, because that allows me to know if
I'm a candidate to work with them and if they
want to work with me, because you always get a
choice in your care.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
One of the questions in the assessment.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Is what is your religious, faith based or spiritual worldview?
And this allows the person to let me know where
they are and if they even want to open the door.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
For faith during the session, oh good.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
If they don't, then I honor that ethically as a
licensed clinical mental health therapist, I honor that. However, if
they open the door and they say, well, Alisa, I'm
so glad you asked, then they now allow me to
meet their needs not only through the Diagnostic Statistical Manual
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number five point whatever the newest edition is, but I
can also meet them where they are through the Word
of God.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, that's good.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So I mean, I actually think I don't think that
I've ever heard that before. Normally i've here either you
are practicing just from the natural perspective or you are
a Christian based, faith based clinical therapist. But I really
love your approach, which is, which way do you want
(15:22):
me to serve you? Because it's best to serve people
the way they need to be helped. It's no need
to come and help somebody. It's like I didn't even
want that kind of help. That's not even what I
expected from you or needed from you. So I really
appreciate your approach to your practice and your gifting. And
I also am a big believer that God created the physicians,
(15:42):
created the clinical therapists, the mental health experts. So whatever
advice they're giving, yes, we want to use our God
given God given sense and use wisdom and discernment, but
we also want to hear some of the.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Things that they're saying because that's their gifting. Do you
share in that some philosophy?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Oh yes, I do, Yes, I do. I When I
go to my dentist, now it just so happens. I
have a faith based dental practice.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That I go to.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But but I need someone who can take care of
my teeth right right when I When when I go
to my primary care physician, I need someone that knows
this human.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Body and allowing me to have knowledge.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Then I apply that with with my relationship with God.
God can give me wisdom in being my best self.
This is a whole man. My primary care physician is
not my pastor. I do not go to her and
ask her for a word. I'm going to her for
a checkup. And when I when I when I look
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at how people are are giving their their expertise, then
I can receive their expertise through the through the through
the path that they're giving it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That's right, that's good. Okay, So yes, I agree with
everything that you're saying. So I believe that you go
to the specialists that's required for that particular situation and
let God use their gifting to talk to that specific need.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So this is good.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So what advice do you give Christians, especially I know,
because we're from a Christian perspective here, that are struggling
with anxiety and depression and they feel like the weight
of the world is on their shoulders even though they're
praying harder, but they're not necessarily getting the outcome that
they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
So when we look at say anxiety, depression, trauma, let's
just look at those top three things and grief, grief
and loss those four things. A diagnosis is usually given
when we look at three things. We're looking at what
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the presentations are, how long the presentations have occurred, and
the severity of when they do occur. Those three things
help a practitioner give a diagnosis for filling the blank.
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If a person is dealing with anything that is now
causing a problem in their quality of life.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
It needs to be addressed. That's good.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
If it's causing a problem with self care, getting out
of bed, brushing your teeth, personal hygiene, sleep hygiene, it
needs to be dealt with. Is it causing a problem
with caring for the family, for the home. It needs
to be addressed. Is it causing a problem with.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You at school, with you at work, with you at church.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It's now a problem that has now gone just.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
From I feel sad too.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It is causing negative impairment in my life.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, when you say the thing is a lot of too,
because every time you're what you're saying, I know, on
the looking in from an outside looking in perspective, there
are situations in every family and every church we see
this is a significant problem and it needs to be addressed.
But sometimes, Alista, the people that are the ones that
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may need the help don't see that for themselves. So
how do you really get people to see inwardly that
this is a problem and I need to stop being
in denial and get some help because we see the
help is needed, but they don't see help as needed.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So now we're clashing.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So I'm going to give you an example years ago
when I was an adjunct instructor, and this was also
I was a therapist. I was still in advertising. I
was teaching advertising and students would come to me and share.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Things that I knew.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Was outside of my wheelhouse to handle, right, okay, And
I remember one particular time a student shared something with
me and I said, how about we talked during my
office hour?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Came during my office hour, and I.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Said, oh, oh boy, this is I'm an instructor at
a university.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I'm not a therapist. Most schools have.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Therapy on campus where students you're paying tuition. Most accredited
schools will allow students to see a therapist on campus
for between four to six sessions. Okay, if more sessions
are needed during one semester, then they are referred to
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an outside clinical mental health therapist. So that's just a
golden nugget for all college students and parents who are
paying for their students.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
There's help there.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, that's important. Wait, let's put a pen in it
there for one second. How many of you are This
is a show about how we balance our lives. We
are parents. I have children that are in college right now.
And I did not know that particular information, and so
that is just a huge takeaway nugget. Somebody type it
in the comments section that if you have a student
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that is in college or university somewhere around the country,
they offer what.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Clinical mental health counseling on campus. It is paid for
because it's part of tuition. It is private, it is
it's ethical, and the student can schedule their own appointment
and if they feel like, hmm, I didn't vibe well
with that therapist, there are others the student just like
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anywhere else, it's they have a choice in their care
and they can reach out to another therapist on campus.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yes, that's really good.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I see people typing in and that's I mean, we
have an active studio audience that will literally type what
you're talking about. Clinical mental health counseling is offered on
college campuses around the country. And you heard it right
here on the Kim Jacobs Show. You haven't heard it before,
which I am a whole parent of five children and
didn't know that that was the case. So thank you
so much for sharing that, Alisa. Can those therapists prescribe medications?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Well, there's a tier level Okay, so clinical mental health
counselors are not licensed to prescribe, but a psychologist or
a psychiatrist or a primary care physician can prescribe. Okay,
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so clinical mental health counselors we have a limit. Now,
we did have to take psycho pharmacology, so we do
know about the medications so that we can help our
clients understand how to navigate what they may be dealing
with with the medication and mental health wellness, but we
do not prescribe.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Interesting and now Mackenzie also said it was another comment.
She says, she said that her therapist when she was
in college was a great help to her. So just
again an endorsement to everything that you're saying, utilizing those
resources that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Are available to you is very important. Y'all. Where's the green?
Where's your green?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
What does that mean? I don't understand because.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Today is Saint Patrick's Day? So how about I hold
up this gym?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Is that good? That's so funny? Totally?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You have plants, You have plants?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You how much you can tell how much I know?
I focus on stuff like that. And if she has
said it was does.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Jesus save I've been like, yes, Lor Okay, I'll find something.
Okay anyway, So thank you so much, Mackenzie s. You
could have called me and told me backstage to wear
some green. Okay, And good morning to you too and
all of you that are tuning in today. We're talking again.
For those that are just tuning in, we're talking with
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clinical therapists, mental health therapists, Alisa Rogers. So she's talking
to us about grief, pieces of piece and so right
now we've just been talking about trauma and dealing with
some loss and different things. But I would like us
to transition. Right after this commercial break, we're gonna start
talking about grief and how do we really piece some
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of these pieces of the puzzle together. We'll be right
back everyone, right after this commercial break, we'll be back.
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Speaker 2 (27:06):
And we do have our summit coming up here in Charlotte,
North Carolina as well, and tickets definitely sell out very
fast for this right now, people have already registered from
Florida and Georgia and they're coming in for this event Tennessee.
But we want to make sure that you are in
the house if you're in the Charlotte, North Carolina area,
So go ahead and register for our upcoming summit.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
May seventh.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Let's talk about grief Lisa, I know that you're also
a grief expert in my opinion, so talk from your
perspective about what it means for people to grieve and
how they can get through that process.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Grief is usually in the past, grief was seen as linear, right,
with certain stages.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know, you go through the stages and then you're done.
But now we see grief as being more.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Fluid, and we may vacillate back to an area that
we initially may have thought we were.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
We were well in, but something.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Else may happen that triggers us, that will bring us
back to a place where we struggle. So when we
look at grief and loss, it's important that we understand that,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
There are stages of grief.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
You go from quote unquote normal functioning to the ability
to return to meaningful life their shock and denial, anger,
depression and detachment, dialogue and bargaining.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Acceptance, and then this.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
New area, this sixth area that really allows you to
transition back to meaningful life.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay, that's an.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Interesting that even that this particular diagram, I've seen the
stages of grief many times over, but the way that
this is visually shared I really appreciate the break the
breakdown of it, because every single component of that is
something that I know I've personally experienced. And when you're
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going through this, you don't you don't realize that you're
even in the phases. You're just going through life and
you're like, what is going on with me? You don't
realize that you're in this spectrum of a grief phase.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yes, So when when we go through grief and laws,
different people experience grief and loss differently. Some people may
have a mask where they they're they're more productive because
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they're actually emotionally running from what they need to process through.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay, Okay, Now, when grief and loss.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Becomes so debilitating that a person cannot move forward in
their lives, additional care is needed and that is where
the mental health care component would come in. But just
because someone goes through the stages of the grief cycle,
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does it mean they need therapy. It means they're going
through grief, right. But if any of these areas is
almost like a record and has a scratch in it
and it cannot keep going, if a person is emotionally stuck,
then clinical mental health counseling will help them process where
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they are and allow them to come up and out
of whatever they're in.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
So I see one of the questions that i'd asked
you about earlier, which is mental health care for people
who are resistant in denial.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
This is that broken record that you're kind of describing.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, the broken record can be for anyone whether they're
going into therapy or they're in denial.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Okay, the denial part is what can frustrate people who,
as you were saying earlier, they see a person has
a need for help, but they are in denial.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh right, right, what I was talking about earlier. So
let's I know, we're talking about a variety of things.
And that's because personally, I believe you wear a lot
of hats that are you're very well versed in trauma laws,
putting a lot of different pieces of the puzzle together
for people that are trying to really balance their own
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mental health.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And that's the whole world, in my opinion. So let's talk.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Let's talk for one more second here about being resistant
in denying it from their own they're just in denial.
They're like, no, nothing's wrong with me, something's wrong with
everyone else. Talk, talk, about that for a moment.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
So ethically, we cannot make anyone receive therapy. If they
are not a danger to themselves, if they are not
a danger to others, we cannot force them to receive therapy. Now,
are there some people that need therapy that can go
through time, maybe a decade, not receive therapy.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And experience wellness. Yes, that is possible.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
But we don't want people to have to spend a
decade of their lives trying to figure out how to
be well when they could have been well in a
more efficient and a more effective manner. So if someone
is in denial, we cannot make them receive help. All
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we can do is give them unsolicited recommendations that allow
them to look at where they are and where they
would want to be. And if we can help connect
the dots of where they are and where they want
to be and come buying mental health care with where
they want to be, they may see a need in it.
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Other people have to hit rock bottom.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Gonna say, you're saying that like a work of art
over there, like how you look as this beautiful work
art of art. I was thinking when I've tried to
do that with people. That is exactly what you're getting
ready to talk about. Now, what happens. They don't want
to hear that.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
They don't want to hear it, and we can't make
them hear it. And that's what hurts people who love
those who need care.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
But with where we are, we cannot make them.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
And that's why I brought up the story. When I
was on campus the college student, the Department of Mental
Health Care said, you can give the student the directions
to our office if they want you to. You can
walk with them, but you cannot make them go.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's that is such good advice. So there are some
people unfortunately. You know, you never want to wash your
hands of anybody because because you can see that it
seriously is something that's wrong. And it's not for us
to judge one way or the other because many times
the people that we think something's wrong with them, they
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think something's wrong with us. So it's like, no, you
go get your own help. No, you get your help,
And it's back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
At the end of the day, somebody got to get
some help. Yes, But whenever a person is not willing
to get the help, do you recommend wiping your hands
and send until you get the help, then I'll be here.
Or do you say, I recognize that you need the help,
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and because I see you're not getting it, I'll just
be be for you here the way as best as
I can.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But safeguarding myself. What do you recommend?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So you've asked a layered question.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
There are some people who, depending on what they need
help for, Let's say, for example, substance abuse. Okay, okay,
that will require a type of tough love that you
must have boundaries and non negotiables. And if a person
is stealing from the home, doing the various things in
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the home, then you may have a boundary that says,
until you get care, until you get help for your
substance abuse, you cannot come in this home.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's like a hard stop. That's a hard stop. That's
a I love you, I.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Said what I said, And when you're ready to come
back into this home, you prove that by getting help. Okay,
that's that. Now, there are other people who you may see.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They may lose their jobs, they may lose their homes,
they may lose their cars if they don't, they may
lose their marriages, their relationships with their children if they
don't get help.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yes, that's something a little different.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And if you are not in the immediate family in
the home, then you may want to keep.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
An open door.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
In the sense I've shared with you the need that
I see that you have. I am not going to
be able to be for you what you need because
you need mental health. So if you call me at
three in the morning and you want to talk for
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an hour, I may not be a candidate for a
candidate for that because you need a higher level of care.
My friendship is one thing, mental health is something else.
And if we are going to remain friends, I cannot
be your therapist.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Now that's so eloquently.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I mean, cat, I just need to record this because
that is so good.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
At what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Anybody else in the comments section, please put some comments,
some emojis that this is helpful. Thank you, Alyssa, even
just HASHTAGSA. Alisa Rogers is a L Y S S
A R O D G E R S. And we
have audio podcast listeners on iHeartRadio. So if I spell
stuff out, that's why.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, So it's important that the person who believes that
their friend and or loved one needs help that you
don't box yourself into feeling like you have to be
something that you are not.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
There's a reason why therapists don't offer therapy to their
family members, friends and loved ones because you're too close. Right.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
So, if you are not a therapist, and you are,
say a parent of a child that you believe is
maybe in a detrimental relationship, right and they need to process,
behave that they have normalized that they need to see
as being toxic, they need therapy. You don't want to
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wash your hands of your child, no, or.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Your friends, or your family, or your loved ones, people
that you really say about exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So, if they're not robbing from you, if they're not
taking from you, if you don't have to have a
boundary of you cannot come back into my life until
you receive care.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
If that's not.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
What it is, then you have to have a different
set of boundaries where you say, I am this label,
I am this to you. I want you to be well,
and in order to do that, I encourage you to
receive mental health care. If you had a toothache and
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you told me, as your sister says, my tooth is hurting.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I am not going to go.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Get some tools online and try to fix your tools.
I am going to I refer you to my dentist,
you know. So allowing your relationship to stay what it
is and honor the need for something else is there's
nothing wrong with that, and you do not have to
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wash your hands of the person, but you will need
to have boundaries to say this is we've been my
circle of control. To be your friend, to be your mom,
to be your therapist is outside of my circle of control.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Alisa, have you have I mean, I know we have
an hour, but in this short period of time, you've
actually helped transform my thinking on how I'm deal let
me put let me put this so I'll do my
own little plug here. Okay, So I'm Kim Jacob's host
of The Kim Jacobs Show, where we're bringing balance to
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the world, one household at a time, and I am
definitely endorsing what Elisa Rodgers is sharing with people, because
at the end of the day, the way we think
think really determines the outcome of our destiny. And so, Alisa,
you've shared some things today here on The Kim Jacobs
Show that have made me think differently pertaining to how
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I handle people. Instead of trying to fix everyone in
different regards, I'm literally going to just say this is
what I am to you.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Thanks to Moisa.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
All right, all right, that's just in case she wants
to use that bite sized piece right there for anything
in the future. Thank you so much. And if you're
learning something, please whatever you're learning as a takeaway from
today's episode, type it in the comment section and let
us know what you're learning. I can see lots of comments.
Put some of the comments up, Mackenzie from backstage. If
you put some of those up. Okay, let's see what
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do we do if someone doesn't have insurance but won't
take help for rehab or nothing. Says that she's saved sober,
but we think she's still using.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
So again.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
And there are places where people can go. They can
pay out of pocket. So just because they don't have
insurance doesn't mean they won't be able to get help
if they have Medicaid medicare. There are some places that
take Medicaid and Medicare. But again, if the person does
not want help, you cannot make them.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
So.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Now, if they're telling you I don't need help, and
you believe that they do. Now it's time for you
to evaluate what your non negotiables are. That's good, what
are you willing to accept or not accept to maintain
this relationship. You can love them without enabling them.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So you can love them without enabling them. Doesn't mean
that you have to walk away from the person or
in the relationship. Love them without enabling them. Now, you
also say that you're a play therapist, and how do
you approach counseling children and families that's dealing with trauma
or major life transitions.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So play therapy is a wonderful tool that allows children
to express what they feel even though they don't have
the vocabulary or the life experiences that adults do. So
a play therapist's room will have so many different types
of items, toys, things that may seem regular to a person,
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but it actually will be used in a therapeutic way,
and the therapist will usually have a plan for that session.
And of course, after going through the assessment, the therapist
will know the areas of need, will know the therapeutic goals,
and then each session will allow play therapy to help
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meet the therapeutic needs with the goals. For for example,
Let's say there is a child who witnessed their father
passing out from a heart attack.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Right, well, having a dollhouse will allow the child to
say where they were when they heard the commotion in
the house, in the house, and then having a little
toy ambulance and little little little people, little dolls will
allow the child to role play what they saw from
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their vantage point. When, when the when, the when the
when the E. M. T Went into the home and
the father was taken off the floor. We might have
to make a little stretcher out of straws, a tape,
and a paper towel. We were flexible to allow the
child to have whatever they need to finish role playing.
And then once the child role plays, then the therapist
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can can allow a child go from beginning to end,
because what you don't want to do is allow the
child's imagination to fix the problem because that enables denial.
So the child goes from the beginning to the end
of the trauma, and then as needed, the therapist will
engage the child if the child feels stuck.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Wow, so this is I mean, you're well versed in
a lot of different subject matters and areas of expertise,
because when I encountered you was actually with the North
Carolina Second Jurisdiction Church of God in Christ. We're in
that jurisdiction together under Bishop Stinneth Emmanuel Powell as our leader,
mother Patricia D. Lofton as our state Supervisor of Women.
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And so when I encountered you, it was focusing more
on grief in that particular presentation. But now I see
that you've actually been over fifteen years or so in
dealing with her education and adjunct instructor and all of
these other hats that I'm learning about. What do you
and enjoy most about working with the students that you
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have been mentoring along the years.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Oh, seeing them move forward and then come back and say,
miss Alisa, guess what I'm doing what? And to let
me know where they are professionally, to let me know
how they're no longer where they were when they first
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met me. It is It's fulfilling. It is fulfilling. And
to know that they are on a road towards wellness
or they may have emotionally healed and now when they
have their own families, they will not be repeating the
toxicity that they experienced.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
So you can see when when you are in your
when you're in your mojo. I don't know what words were,
but when you in your element, right in your world,
you can see that the gifting that God entrusted you
with you are literally making a difference in a family's
entire generations to come because of what He's doing as
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gifting through you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Do you see that? Because that's what I see.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
I see that when my clients tell me, or when
I'm looking at how goals are being measured and how
they are achieving them, that is oftentimes when I see it.
But sometimes I'm so close. I'm in the moment I see.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I see the.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
I see the daily wind, or I see the weekly
win or the monthly wind. And then when I go
back and I look at the goals and see where
we need to adjust, this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yes, well, you may not pat yourself on your back,
but I'm over here.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Look clag clack clack clack, click click click click click.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm celebrating.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'm big on celebrating people, and I think it's so
important that we celebrate each other and that we lift
each other up.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
And again, I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Ever heard that quote where it says, flowers don't ever compete,
They just let the other flowers bloom. So all of
the flowers get to bloom. And I am so excited
about how you're blooming. I'm just so godly grateful. Okay,
I could spend the whole show complimenting you, for sure,
but I will tell you this that we are doing
a training. And I don't usually say it right on
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the show, but you should have a show. Anybody that
agrees with me put it in the comments section that
this woman has to take the training to go.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Through how to start her own show from scratch. Okay,
the next.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Training starts on Monday, and this woman, you need to
be in that class because the whole world is missing
out by you not using your gift of coming on however,
frequently as a one stop shop for people to connect
to get this information. Because every one of these areas
are their own episodes, themes, whole segments for weeks to come.
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You can have themes on these topics individually broken down.
But anybody, let me talk about what I really want
to say to everybody else too. If you're interested in
starting your own show and you would like to do
it in a small group setting right from the comfort
of your home. I offer this training to you. It's
a six week training course and I teach you everything
that you pretty much need to know on how to
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start the show, how to get your guests, how to
make sure that you don't have a bunch of blanks
on your calendar, how to make sure you have the
right equipment, all of those things, the technical assistance so
you're not fearful of being able to go live on
all of these different platforms. And Les Brown does an
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want to see that video, but please reach out at
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seven oh four nine six two seven one sixty one
and we'd love to if you're one of the five students,
to include you in our next training session, and I
hope you will be in that session, Alisa.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
All right, So you are also heavily involved in ministry,
and so I really want to talk from that perspective
as well. With your extensive involvement in the Kojik Church
of God in christ Field and world, what are some
of the ways that you have evolved because of the
fact that you were so heavily involved in ministry.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Well, it goes back to something else you asked me
earlier in terms of how did I kind of get
into therapy, And when I was Big Sister Sunshine, back
when I was in college at a Tabernacle Church of
God in Christ, Coorbia, Illinois, I was, you know, teaching
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the Sunshiner's songs. And then I navigated to being the
Sunday school teacher for the children's class, and then the
children would share things with me, and that let me
know there is a need for them to be seen
and heard, there's a need for them to know that
a safe person exists. And then over time, of course
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always a choir ashure board.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
And then got into district work.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
I was district chair lady for a little bit, I
was district field representative for a little bit. And now
here in in in this phase of my life, I
am so grateful to be a part of the International
Department of Women Mental Health Professional Association. So I am
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actually working with the International Church of God in Christ
in mental health and in business and professional Women's Federation.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
So yes, I love Tunisha Minisa Tanisia.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
We adore her.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
She's the president of the North Carolina, second jurisdiction women
business professional women and recently just had a reset event
as well.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
If I'm not mistaken, that just happened.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
And she's the president of that organization apartment within the
Church of God in Christ, and I salute her and
honor her today.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
So with mental health, no matter what walk.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Of life, it is, based on what I'm understanding, it's
not just for people in the world.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
It's people in the church that need to experience this.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Too, correct correct and when the stigma is reduced and
ultimately eliminated, then people can realize I can be saved, yes, sanctified,
filled with the Holy Ghost, and have a therapist.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Save, sanctify, feel with the Holy Ghost and have a therapist.
And I can definitely tell you that I personally had
to have my own counseling with my therapist whenever my
son transitioned, and not just when my son transition. I'm
big on getting counseling period, because I think that it's
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something that is a maintenance situation. You shouldn't only have
a counselor when everything's bad. But what do I just
need to talk to somebody and something, and I interview
people and I'll realize. Oh god, they said they saw
me on a whole billboard. I don't want them. You not,
you cannot be, you cannot be my counselor you saw
me on a you know me, you know me. I
need somebody that just does not know me. So I'm
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a Christian woman that does not know me at that level,
and I've I've became a better person as a result
of going for counseling.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
So, you know, you raise a really good point in
my program. I was surprised to learn that not all
licensed or accredited counseling programs require therapists to have therapy.
But in my clinical Mental Health master's program, we couldn't
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have our practicum, which was about three hundred and so hours.
You have our practical without having therapy, but we could
not do any of our six hundred our internship ours
until we had therapy. We had to have It was
a whole class and we had to have therapy, and
it had to be stretched out. We couldn't cram it
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all in one month. We had to stretch it out.
We had to walk in, fill out the paperwork, We
had to experience what we want our clients to experience
and how can we help anyone if we have not
fully addressed any hidden or unearthed trauma that's in our lives.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
I agree wholeheartedly, and all of.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Us have experienced some level of trauma. So that's why
I think all of us need some level of counseling.
And so yes, I'm definitely in a chair listening and
pouring out my soul and then getting the feedback and
things that I can implement immediately in my life. I
do want to encourage you all if you have not
partnered with us with The Kim Jacob Show, and you
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have not poured into our program. We bring balance to
your household Monday through Friday with wonderful guests like Alisa
Rodgers and many others that come on. So take a
moment if you would, to just pour into sowing into
some really good ground, because I know that the information
that we're providing is helping to provide that missing piece
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of the puzzle that may be in your home and
bringing more synergy and more harmony to your home. So
please make sure that you venmo at the Kim Jacobs
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it helps our program continue to thrive from community contributions
like yours. So thank you so much, Elisa. You have
a beautiful family, and I want to make sure that
I get a chance to say something about Is this
your talk to us?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yes? Yes, So. The man in the middle is my
has been doctor Derek d Rogers Senior Doctorate in Strategic
Leadership last year. The young man in the red jacket
is my son, Derek Rogers, Junior DJ. He's a senior
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basketball player. And Lord Willing will graduate in May.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Oh, my god, beautiful family. I can't even hardly look
at the family looking at your green jacket. Though your
family is beautiful and handsome and all, but that jacket
is also venial. I'll tell you where I got it
off the show that's called what we call at the
party stuff.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Okay, that jacket is nice, and look at you.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
You and your family look so stunning, and I'm so
happy for you. How do you balance all of the
different hats that you wear, managing the family, managing everyone else's.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Mental health and your own. How do you balance that?
Speaker 5 (55:55):
Well?
Speaker 4 (55:55):
Starts off with self carey if I have learned self
care is not selfish, okay, and I have to do
what I do for example, treadmill, I need. I need
to do something. I need to get my dorphends going,
and I need to do that. I like to make jewelry.
I make earrings out of recycled paper, so I like
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to work with my hands.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
The other thing about balance, balance is interesting because if
you look at a pound of feathers versus a pound
of pebbles, it's gonna look different.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
And I haven't. I have learned that.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Balance may be fluid depending on the season that I'm in.
I may have to give more to one area of
my life because that's the season that I'm in. I
still do what I can, but I Am not going
to try to be one hundred percent at each level
because that may not be realistic for me in that season.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I'm a big believer that God knew exactly what season
we would be in, and so doesn't mean that we're
out of balance or out of sync with God's will
for our lives. It's just where we are for that
particular season. And I see a comment from my mom,
Ellis Bradley, she said, yes, Alisa, you need your own show.
See see Kim. Just make sure you see him. She's
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the lady that will train you just well and knowledgeable.
Get your own show girl, get your whole show girl.
All right, let's see other let's what is it? Oh,
let's let's what is that image of tell me?
Speaker 4 (57:36):
Oh, that that is celebrating the Women's International Convention, the
seventy fifth that will be in Saint Louis in May.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Look at all speaking of which in Women's History month.
Look at these beautiful women of wisdom, and.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
We're going to our prior, our prior international supervisor.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yes, yes, yes, so I know.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'm extremely honored to be a part of the North
Carolina second jurisdiction.
Speaker 5 (58:08):
And let's see what is this?
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Tell us?
Speaker 5 (58:10):
Okay, this is.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
So on Thursday. I need to get that date right?
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Is it the twenty Thursday? I'll look it up right quick.
Let me see.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
It's on the screen. I just can't zoom in on it.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh, okay, Thursday May twenty ninth, thank you.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
So Thursday May twenty ninth, at eleven thirty, I will
be one of the empowerment speakers, and I will be
speaking on Daddy's Girls, and it's talking about how women
are able to navigate life when their fathers were not
in their lives due to a variety of reasons from death, abandonment, grief,
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and loss right. So I will be one of the speakers,
and then the following fire are just additional phenomenal speakers
that will be also speaking on that day.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Speaking of which, up in the corner up there, I
see Lady Lawana Grant, and I want to just send
a shout out to her because she is all over
the world teaching and preaching and ministering about leadership. And
she is also I'm a part of the Charlotte Metro
District in Charlotte, North Carolina, and she is the first
Lady of our district with Bishop Darryl Grant and our
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leading Lady, which is doctor Lawana Grant. And of course
I will never not shout out my own North Carolina
second jurisdiction leading lady, Lady Beverly Powell. We have the
most phenomenal leading lady in our jurisdiction as well. So
I see Mother Barbara McCook lewis, and she's going to
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be spearheading this whole Department of Women International Convention in May.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
So you want to go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Make sure that you grab your tickets to that and
hear this wonderful lineup.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
All right?
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Anything else that you did not get to say? I
saw this the reality potential candidates need to be attracted
to something?
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yes, what is that about?
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Did I send that to you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I thought so we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
But I thought that was something you had said.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It might be fun enough.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I guess that's so funny, like buh oh, yeah, so
it says, yeah, it's one of the attachments you sent me,
but I didn't know if it was if it was
a meaning of some sort. Okay, anyway, what we are
going to say is that, guess what in life you
want to make sure that you are attracted to something.
(01:00:51):
Don't just be a magnet for any old thing. Make
sure that you be a magnet for what God has.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Called you to do.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Make sure you attract the right things, Attract everything that
God has purpose for your life, not just looking at
every opportunity, especially if it's going to throw your mental
health off. As an opportunity. Make every opportunity only matter
for what is an opportunity for you based on God's
gifting and purposing for your life. Okay, so any close
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and comments, Alisa.
Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Just that if someone needs mental health care for grief
and loss, that keep in mind this is a snapshot.
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Of where they are in life.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yes, while there are some diagnoses that may follow a
person throughout a long portion of their lives, not all
diagnoses are considered to be long term. And when a
person chooses to receive help from someone that they can
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be real with, authentic with, transparent with, then they can
heal and they can have their own emotional toolbox.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Because you're not you don't need therapy forever. It's for that.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Season that's so inspiring. So when we get therapy, it
doesn't mean that that's because something's wrong with us. It's
because something's right with us that God is trying to
pull out even more of it to be exposed to
the world. In my opinion, based on what I'm learning
from Elisa Rodgers, and how do people personally work with you,
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Because it's one thing to hear all of this on
the show, but how do they connect to be one
on one with you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Well, I have my own therapy practice, Blue Brook Counseling, PLLC. Currently,
I am licensed in two states, in Illinois and in
North Carolina. I am able to offer Christian counseling. That is,
not to accept insurance, that is only private pay. I
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can offer Christian counseling around the world, but for clinical
mental health counseling, I do accept insurance and private pay,
but for North Carolina and Illinois only.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Okay, North Carolina and Illinois only. I went on your
page and got this is I hope this is okay
for me to put.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Up here blue book, Blue Brook Counseling. You can reach
her at nine eight zero three seven eight four seven
three nine nine eight zero three seven eight four seven
three nine And again she is licensed in the states.
Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Of North Carolina and Illinois.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
North Carolina and Illinois, so that's two states. I know
we're in one hundred countries the show.
Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
But this four that is for clinical mental health counseling, okay, okay,
for Christian counseling, or for life coaching or wellness coaching.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yes, that is that's.
Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Across the world.
Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Perfect, and that would be that would be reaching out
to me under the auspices of Christian counseling or wellness
or life coaching.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So listen, you guys. If you are anywhere under the
sound of my voice or seeing us today here on
the Kim Jacob Show, where we're bringing balance to the world,
one house, all at a time, you can connect with
Alisa Rogers. It is going to change your life for
the better. As Maya Angelo often says, listen, do the
best you can until you know better. But once you
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know better, then you do better. And doing better is
definitely connecting with Alisa Rogers. So do better, do better
for your life, for your family, for your legacy, and
connect with her today nine eight zero three seven eight
four seven three nine. There is no shame in being
able to just say I need help.
Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
I need help, and.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I'm going to come to you to get it. Alisa
Rodgers is where I'm coming to get the help. That's
what you want to do, all right, everybody? That is
today's episode. Do you have anything else you want to say? Elisa,
just thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
You are infectious, You are amazing, and I celebrate you.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Kim Jacobs, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
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all of you that I hate disconnecting without acknowledging all
of my guests. It's been so many of you. I
see you Eleanor. I went to high school with Kimberly Mitchell. Oh,
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I see you, Sandra, Mother Sandra. I see all of you, guys, Mother,
Patricia Lofton mother, my mom. Eon greeves you over on Instagram.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
That Jacob.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello, everyone, and welcome to this episode of The Kim
Jacob Show. I am so honored to have Alisa Rogers
with us today and you are in for a tremendous
street to learn about what we're talking about today, which
is grief. Pieces of peace. How do we get peace
in the midst of grief. I'm so glad to have
you here today, Alisa.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I am well? Thank you, Kim, thank you so much
for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well you, I'm telling you, it's almost like you know
how you have Picasso and all of this beautiful art
that's out there. You look like a work of art,
is what I When I see you, I just see
something so elegant and regal.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is that intentional that you have that going on?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, I've heard that before. This is me, this is
just me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well you are our beautiful work of art. And I
don't say that people know. I don't just say that
to everybody, because then it'll be like Kim say that
to everybody to come on, I promise you I don't.
But I don't even say that about myself. So here's
the thing. I'm complimenting you higher than I even compliment myself.
And I'm really glad to have you here today, really glad.
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Thank you so much for the opportunity. I look forward
to sharing with you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We're gonna have a great time.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Listen, everybody, grab your virtual seats and make sure you
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today our special guest, Alisa L. Rogers is MSMA lcm HCES.
I'm going to give all of those nuggets because it's
important that we know who's before us.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
LPC.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
She holds an MA with a dual focus in clinical
mental health counseling and school counseling. She's a licensed clinical therapist,
certified child centered play therapists, and a wellness coach. So
all of the things that she's going to be talking
about today, she is well versed in these subject matters.
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She has experienced in serving and presenting within school systems,
community agencies, faith based organizations, and private practice in the
areas of trauma, anxiety, depression, adjustment, grief and loss. Now,
I'm gonna also let her talk to you today about
all of the many accolades that she brings to salt
this earth.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But she's also been.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Married for many, many years, many that people aspire to achieve.
I'll let her talk about the exact number of years.
Will go ahead and tell you thirty thirty thirty, Okay.
And she also has one twenty two year old son, DJ,
who is a university senior and student athlete. Needless to say,
she is also heavily involved in ministry, and I have
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to say a quick shout out to her pastor who
is Superintendent Demetrius KA Samuell Senior, and she serves under
Bishop Stinneth Emmanuel Powell and Mother Patricia D. Lofton as
our supervisor of Women. I say all of that to
say I'm a part of the Church of God in
Christ to y'all. So we gotta give a shout out
to our leaders. So glad to have Elisa Rodgers here
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today on the Kim Jacob Show. Welcome, thank you, thank
you so much. Okay, so listen today. It's a heavy
topic in my opinion, because it's a lot that we
have to unpack with this.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
What I really want to do is just allow you the.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Opportunity to take us back on your journey and tell
us what you've had to experience to become who you
are today.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So let's just start there, Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Well, initially I did not start off on the road
of clinical mental health.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I was actually in advertising.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
And did that for a while, thoroughly enjoyed it, and
wound up working at my alma mater and got my
first master's degree in Leadership and Human Service Administration, okay,
and which is basically a nonprofit MBA. While doing that,
I felt compelled and drawn to listen, to share, to
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help with wellness, and I was told hold on, you
need a license for that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And I said okay.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So over time I started to go into other areas,
but felt a pull to clinical mental health okay. And
when I actually honored what what I believed the Lord
was calling me to do, I earned my second Masters
in clinical mental health counseling with a dual focus in
school counseling.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
After earning the second Masters, I was a middle school
counselor and student support manager. And that is where I
saw the need for therapy at an early age, because
when it's caught, really, there are some things that we
as adults will not even need to deal with nor
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pass on to those that we love. Good regarding grief
and laws, my parents were married for two years.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I was born somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So I don't even remember living with my biological father.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
My mother remarried, my stepfather was in the home for about.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Six years and then not so much.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
My mother almost died when I was nine, and my
biological father died when I was ten. So there was
a fear of grief and loss okay, and then the
confirmation of grief and loss a year later. And I
bring that up because as an adolescent, our brains are
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still developing. That's and there was a lot that I
went through without therapy that now, as a licensed therapist
and play therapist, I see how I would have valued
and benefited from having therapy at a young age.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Wow, Okay, you know what you just said, Like sixty.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Shows episodes, in that initial opening, you had a mother
who almost died, and so that really shifted your direction
towards learning more about trauma loss. And then you also
had your dad who did your biological father who did
pass away when you were the age of nine.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Is what?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So mom almost died at nine and your dad at ten,
and my father did die when I was ten.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Ten years old?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Okay, so now, and then you were raised somewhat for
six years or so by your stepdad, So you had
situations in the home where you were seeing seeing situations
where people were being removed from different aspects of your life.
And so do you feel like that helped you decide
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that you would be more focused in this particular area
of trauma, grief and loss as a part of your work.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I think it happened naturally because I had an understanding
and an awareness for what people would need as they
journeyed toward wellness.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I also suffered.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I didn't know if I could have children, and when
I did get pregnant, I lost my first pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So there were a lot of moving parts with grief
and loss. And when I accepted, I believe the call
to being a therapist, grief and loss was one of
the areas that I was really able to reach my
clients in.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And you say you accepted your call because you don't look.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
At this as just what you do for a living.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
This is something that you do really to We call
it salting the earth in my opinion, And how do
you feel the differences between you salting the earth and
working in your calling versus just getting licensed.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
To do this as a career choice.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Because this calling is something that I am not burned
out from. This is something that I feel passionate about,
and I'm always looking for ways to aid my clients
in reaching their wellness more efficiently, more effectively, more well rounded.
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And it's just it's it's a natural desire to do.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's not a tug. It's not in terms of a
of a of a of a of a of a draining.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's not It's not something where I feel as though, oh,
here we.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Go another day.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
This is a desire to help others be their best
selves because we know that there are areas of separation
and degrees that they will impact others. So when I
impact one, they're impacting seven.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right, yes, yes, Okay, Well why do you think that
mental health is still such a difficult topic that people,
especially in the faith based community, struggle with any thoughts
on why it's such a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Part of it is cultural, right, and we know cultural
is more than just what we look like opjects. But
culture can be defined as shared ideas, values, and beliefs
held among a group of people. So we can have
culture with our race or ethnicity. We can have culture
within our spiritual faith based groups. We can have culture
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in our professions, culture in our neighborhoods. Right, So when
we look at what we are probably folk first predisposed
to in terms of race and ethnics, we know what
we know when we don't know what we don't know,
and once we accept that even though we've heard the
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adage what's done in this house.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
When we realize.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
That there may be a need to reach outside of
our homes to be well, then we can accept the help.
And I really I am so grateful from my church,
for my district, from my jurisdiction that looks at the
value of mental health. I have a friend that did
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her dissertation on the value of having prayer and medication.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right, prayer and medication.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, So there are a lot of things that we
can use what may be considered through a secular lens
of the world.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Right, but God.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Allows different types of healings.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Even in the Bible, all the blind that were not
healed the same, that's right, right, all the leopards were
not healed the same. So when we look at how
Jesus used different methods of healing, we want to allow
God to allow us to heal in ways that are
through a word focused lens.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yet it meets the need.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Of the Body of Christ.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's good. That's good, girl.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You gonna have me over here slain in the spirit
because you you've preaching, really believe it. I just tagged
your past or two. I was like, I'm trying to
make sure when I was looking down. I was tagging
the past past the Demetrius Samuel. How important do you
think it is that your faith kicked in in order
to shape your whole philosophy in being a licensed clinical
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therapiest Because most people have their natural clinical therapy practices,
but you've infused faith and clinical therapy.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
How is that to you?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, I went to a faith based school, Regent University.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And I remember during one of.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The residencies, a cohort asked one of our professors, So
we're at a faith based school, should we have a
faith based practice? And the professor said, well, ultimately that
is up to you, right, he said, but I do
want you to keep in mind that there are some
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clients you will have that may never go to a
faith based practice. So if you keep your options open,
then you're able to meet more the needs of more people. Now,
when I go through the assessment, I ask which is
the first session, I ask a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Of questions, okay, all in.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
My client's business, because that allows me to know if
I'm a candidate to work with them and if they
want to work with me, because you always get a
choice in your care.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
One of the questions in the assessment.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Is what is your religious, faith based or spiritual worldview?
And this allows the person to let me know where
they are and if they even want to open the door.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
For faith during the session, oh good.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
If they don't, then I honor that ethically as a
licensed clinical mental health therapist, I honor that. However, if
they open the door and they say, well, Alisa, I'm
so glad you asked, then they now allow me to
meet their needs not only through the Diagnostic Statistical Manual
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number five point whatever the newest edition is, but I
can also meet them where they are through the Word
of God.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, that's good.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So I mean, I actually think I don't think that
I've ever heard that before. Normally i've here either you
are practicing just from the natural perspective or you are
a Christian based, faith based clinical therapist. But I really
love your approach, which is, which way do you want
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me to serve you? Because it's best to serve people
the way they need to be helped. It's no need
to come and help somebody. It's like I didn't even
want that kind of help. That's not even what I
expected from you or needed from you. So I really
appreciate your approach to your practice and your gifting. And
I also am a big believer that God created the physicians,
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created the clinical therapists, the mental health experts. So whatever
advice they're giving, yes, we want to use our God
given God given sense and use wisdom and discernment, but
we also want to hear some of the.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Things that they're saying because that's their gifting. Do you
share in that some philosophy?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Oh yes, I do, Yes, I do. I When I
go to my dentist, now it just so happens. I
have a faith based dental practice.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That I go to.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But but I need someone who can take care of
my teeth right right when I When when I go
to my primary care physician, I need someone that knows
this human.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Body and allowing me to have knowledge.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Then I apply that with with my relationship with God.
God can give me wisdom in being my best self.
This is a whole man. My primary care physician is
not my pastor. I do not go to her and
ask her for a word. I'm going to her for
a checkup. And when I when I when I look
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at how people are are giving their their expertise, then
I can receive their expertise through the through the through
the path that they're giving it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That's right, that's good. Okay, So yes, I agree with
everything that you're saying. So I believe that you go
to the specialists that's required for that particular situation and
let God use their gifting to talk to that specific need.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So this is good.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So what advice do you give Christians, especially I know,
because we're from a Christian perspective here, that are struggling
with anxiety and depression and they feel like the weight
of the world is on their shoulders even though they're
praying harder, but they're not necessarily getting the outcome that
they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
So when we look at say anxiety, depression, trauma, let's
just look at those top three things and grief, grief
and loss those four things. A diagnosis is usually given
when we look at three things. We're looking at what
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the presentations are, how long the presentations have occurred, and
the severity of when they do occur. Those three things
help a practitioner give a diagnosis for filling the blank.
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If a person is dealing with anything that is now
causing a problem in their quality of life.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
It needs to be addressed. That's good.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
If it's causing a problem with self care, getting out
of bed, brushing your teeth, personal hygiene, sleep hygiene, it
needs to be dealt with. Is it causing a problem
with caring for the family, for the home. It needs
to be addressed. Is it causing a problem with.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You at school, with you at work, with you at church.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It's now a problem that has now gone just.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
From I feel sad too.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It is causing negative impairment in my life.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, when you say the thing is a lot of too,
because every time you're what you're saying, I know, on
the looking in from an outside looking in perspective, there
are situations in every family and every church we see
this is a significant problem and it needs to be addressed.
But sometimes, Alista, the people that are the ones that
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may need the help don't see that for themselves. So
how do you really get people to see inwardly that
this is a problem and I need to stop being
in denial and get some help because we see the
help is needed, but they don't see help as needed.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So now we're clashing.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So I'm going to give you an example years ago
when I was an adjunct instructor, and this was also
I was a therapist. I was still in advertising. I
was teaching advertising and students would come to me and share.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Things that I knew.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Was outside of my wheelhouse to handle, right, okay, And
I remember one particular time a student shared something with
me and I said, how about we talked during my
office hour?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Came during my office hour, and I.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Said, oh, oh boy, this is I'm an instructor at
a university.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I'm not a therapist. Most schools have.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Therapy on campus where students you're paying tuition. Most accredited
schools will allow students to see a therapist on campus
for between four to six sessions. Okay, if more sessions
are needed during one semester, then they are referred to
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an outside clinical mental health therapist. So that's just a
golden nugget for all college students and parents who are
paying for their students.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
There's help there.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, that's important. Wait, let's put a pen in it
there for one second. How many of you are This
is a show about how we balance our lives. We
are parents. I have children that are in college right now.
And I did not know that particular information, and so
that is just a huge takeaway nugget. Somebody type it
in the comments section that if you have a student
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that is in college or university somewhere around the country,
they offer what.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Clinical mental health counseling on campus. It is paid for
because it's part of tuition. It is private, it is
it's ethical, and the student can schedule their own appointment
and if they feel like, hmm, I didn't vibe well
with that therapist, there are others the student just like
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anywhere else, it's they have a choice in their care
and they can reach out to another therapist on campus.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yes, that's really good.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I see people typing in and that's I mean, we
have an active studio audience that will literally type what
you're talking about. Clinical mental health counseling is offered on
college campuses around the country. And you heard it right
here on the Kim Jacobs Show. You haven't heard it before,
which I am a whole parent of five children and
didn't know that that was the case. So thank you
so much for sharing that, Alisa. Can those therapists prescribe medications?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Well, there's a tier level Okay, so clinical mental health
counselors are not licensed to prescribe, but a psychologist or
a psychiatrist or a primary care physician can prescribe. Okay,
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so clinical mental health counselors we have a limit. Now,
we did have to take psycho pharmacology, so we do
know about the medications so that we can help our
clients understand how to navigate what they may be dealing
with with the medication and mental health wellness, but we
do not prescribe.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Interesting and now Mackenzie also said it was another comment.
She says, she said that her therapist when she was
in college was a great help to her. So just
again an endorsement to everything that you're saying, utilizing those
resources that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Are available to you is very important. Y'all. Where's the green?
Where's your green?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
What does that mean? I don't understand because.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Today is Saint Patrick's Day? So how about I hold
up this gym?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Is that good? That's so funny? Totally?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
You have plants, You have plants?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You how much you can tell how much I know?
I focus on stuff like that. And if she has
said it was does.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Jesus save I've been like, yes, Lor Okay, I'll find something.
Okay anyway, So thank you so much, Mackenzie s. You
could have called me and told me backstage to wear
some green. Okay, And good morning to you too and
all of you that are tuning in today. We're talking again.
For those that are just tuning in, we're talking with
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clinical therapists, mental health therapists, Alisa Rogers. So she's talking
to us about grief, pieces of piece and so right
now we've just been talking about trauma and dealing with
some loss and different things. But I would like us
to transition. Right after this commercial break, we're gonna start
talking about grief and how do we really piece some
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of these pieces of the puzzle together. We'll be right
back everyone, right after this commercial break, we'll be back.
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And guess what she gave me. One of these pieces,
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Speaker 1 (27:26):
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Speaker 2 (27:27):
Let's talk about grief Lisa, I know that you're also
a grief expert in my opinion, so talk from your
perspective about what it means for people to grieve and
how they can get through that process.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Grief is usually in the past, grief was seen as linear, right,
with certain stages.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know, you go through the stages and then you're done.
But now we see grief as being more.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Fluid, and we may vacillate back to an area that
we initially may have thought we were.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
We were well in, but something.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Else may happen that triggers us, that will bring us
back to a place where we struggle. So when we
look at grief and loss, it's important that we understand that,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
There are stages of grief.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
You go from quote unquote normal functioning to the ability
to return to meaningful life their shock and denial, anger,
depression and detachment, dialogue and bargaining.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Acceptance, and then this.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
New area, this sixth area that really allows you to
transition back to meaningful life.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay, that's an.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Interesting that even that this particular diagram, I've seen the
stages of grief many times over, but the way that
this is visually shared I really appreciate the break the
breakdown of it, because every single component of that is
something that I know I've personally experienced. And when you're
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going through this, you don't you don't realize that you're
even in the phases. You're just going through life and
you're like, what is going on with me? You don't
realize that you're in this spectrum of a grief phase.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yes, So when when we go through grief and laws,
different people experience grief and loss differently. Some people may
have a mask where they they're they're more productive because
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they're actually emotionally running from what they need to process through.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay, Okay, Now, when grief and loss.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Becomes so debilitating that a person cannot move forward in
their lives, additional care is needed and that is where
the mental health care component would come in. But just
because someone goes through the stages of the grief cycle,
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does it mean they need therapy. It means they're going
through grief, right. But if any of these areas is
almost like a record and has a scratch in it
and it cannot keep going, if a person is emotionally stuck,
then clinical mental health counseling will help them process where
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they are and allow them to come up and out
of whatever they're in.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
So I see one of the questions that i'd asked
you about earlier, which is mental health care for people
who are resistant in denial.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
This is that broken record that you're kind of describing.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, the broken record can be for anyone whether they're
going into therapy or they're in denial.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Okay, the denial part is what can frustrate people who,
as you were saying earlier, they see a person has
a need for help, but they are in denial.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh right, right, what I was talking about earlier. So
let's I know, we're talking about a variety of things.
And that's because personally, I believe you wear a lot
of hats that are you're very well versed in trauma laws,
putting a lot of different pieces of the puzzle together
for people that are trying to really balance their own
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mental health.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And that's the whole world, in my opinion. So let's talk.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Let's talk for one more second here about being resistant
in denying it from their own they're just in denial.
They're like, no, nothing's wrong with me, something's wrong with
everyone else. Talk, talk, about that for a moment.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
So ethically, we cannot make anyone receive therapy. If they
are not a danger to themselves, if they are not
a danger to others, we cannot force them to receive therapy. Now,
are there some people that need therapy that can go
through time, maybe a decade, not receive therapy.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And experience wellness. Yes, that is possible.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
But we don't want people to have to spend a
decade of their lives trying to figure out how to
be well when they could have been well in a
more efficient and a more effective manner. So if someone
is in denial, we cannot make them receive help. All
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we can do is give them unsolicited recommendations that allow
them to look at where they are and where they
would want to be. And if we can help connect
the dots of where they are and where they want
to be and come buying mental health care with where
they want to be, they may see a need in it.
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Other people have to hit rock bottom.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Gonna say, you're saying that like a work of art
over there, like how you look as this beautiful work
art of art. I was thinking when I've tried to
do that with people. That is exactly what you're getting
ready to talk about. Now, what happens. They don't want
to hear that.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
They don't want to hear it, and we can't make
them hear it. And that's what hurts people who love
those who need care.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
But with where we are, we cannot make them.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
And that's why I brought up the story. When I
was on campus the college student, the Department of Mental
Health Care said, you can give the student the directions
to our office if they want you to. You can
walk with them, but you cannot make them go.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's that is such good advice. So there are some
people unfortunately. You know, you never want to wash your
hands of anybody because because you can see that it
seriously is something that's wrong. And it's not for us
to judge one way or the other because many times
the people that we think something's wrong with them, they
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think something's wrong with us. So it's like, no, you
go get your own help. No, you get your help,
And it's back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
At the end of the day, somebody got to get
some help. Yes, But whenever a person is not willing
to get the help, do you recommend wiping your hands
and send until you get the help, then I'll be here.
Or do you say, I recognize that you need the help,
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and because I see you're not getting it, I'll just
be be for you here the way as best as
I can.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But safeguarding myself. What do you recommend?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So you've asked a layered question.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
There are some people who, depending on what they need
help for, Let's say, for example, substance abuse. Okay, okay,
that will require a type of tough love that you
must have boundaries and non negotiables. And if a person
is stealing from the home, doing the various things in
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the home, then you may have a boundary that says,
until you get care, until you get help for your
substance abuse, you cannot come in this home.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's like a hard stop. That's a hard stop. That's
a I love you, I.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Said what I said, And when you're ready to come
back into this home, you prove that by getting help. Okay,
that's that. Now, there are other people who you may see.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They may lose their jobs, they may lose their homes,
they may lose their cars if they don't, they may
lose their marriages, their relationships with their children if they
don't get help.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yes, that's something a little different.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And if you are not in the immediate family in
the home, then you may want to keep.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
An open door.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
In the sense I've shared with you the need that
I see that you have. I am not going to
be able to be for you what you need because
you need mental health. So if you call me at
three in the morning and you want to talk for
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an hour, I may not be a candidate for a
candidate for that because you need a higher level of care.
My friendship is one thing, mental health is something else.
And if we are going to remain friends, I cannot
be your therapist.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Now that's so eloquently.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I mean, cat, I just need to record this because
that is so good.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
At what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Anybody else in the comments section, please put some comments,
some emojis that this is helpful. Thank you, Alyssa, even
just HASHTAGSA. Alisa Rogers is a L Y S S
A R O D G E R S. And we
have audio podcast listeners on iHeartRadio. So if I spell
stuff out, that's why.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, So it's important that the person who believes that
their friend and or loved one needs help that you
don't box yourself into feeling like you have to be
something that you are not.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
There's a reason why therapists don't offer therapy to their
family members, friends and loved ones because you're too close. Right.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
So, if you are not a therapist, and you are,
say a parent of a child that you believe is
maybe in a detrimental relationship, right and they need to process,
behave that they have normalized that they need to see
as being toxic, they need therapy. You don't want to
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wash your hands of your child, no, or.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Your friends, or your family, or your loved ones, people
that you really say about exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So, if they're not robbing from you, if they're not
taking from you, if you don't have to have a
boundary of you cannot come back into my life until
you receive care.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
If that's not.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
What it is, then you have to have a different
set of boundaries where you say, I am this label,
I am this to you. I want you to be well,
and in order to do that, I encourage you to
receive mental health care. If you had a toothache and
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you told me, as your sister says, my tooth is hurting.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I am not going to go.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Get some tools online and try to fix your tools.
I am going to I refer you to my dentist,
you know. So allowing your relationship to stay what it
is and honor the need for something else is there's
nothing wrong with that, and you do not have to
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wash your hands of the person, but you will need
to have boundaries to say this is we've been my
circle of control. To be your friend, to be your mom,
to be your therapist is outside of my circle of control.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Alisa, have you have I mean, I know we have
an hour, but in this short period of time, you've
actually helped transform my thinking on how I'm deal let
me put let me put this so I'll do my
own little plug here. Okay, So I'm Kim Jacob's host
of The Kim Jacobs Show, where we're bringing balance to
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the world, one household at a time, and I am
definitely endorsing what Elisa Rodgers is sharing with people, because
at the end of the day, the way we think
think really determines the outcome of our destiny. And so, Alisa,
you've shared some things today here on The Kim Jacobs
Show that have made me think differently pertaining to how
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I handle people. Instead of trying to fix everyone in
different regards, I'm literally going to just say this is
what I am to you.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Thanks to Moisa.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
All right, all right, that's just in case she wants
to use that bite sized piece right there for anything
in the future. Thank you so much. And if you're
learning something, please whatever you're learning as a takeaway from
today's episode, type it in the comment section and let
us know what you're learning. I can see lots of comments.
Put some of the comments up, Mackenzie from backstage. If
you put some of those up. Okay, let's see what
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do we do if someone doesn't have insurance but won't
take help for rehab or nothing. Says that she's saved sober,
but we think she's still using.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
So again.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
And there are places where people can go. They can
pay out of pocket. So just because they don't have
insurance doesn't mean they won't be able to get help
if they have Medicaid medicare. There are some places that
take Medicaid and Medicare. But again, if the person does
not want help, you cannot make them.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
So.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Now, if they're telling you I don't need help, and
you believe that they do. Now it's time for you
to evaluate what your non negotiables are. That's good, what
are you willing to accept or not accept to maintain
this relationship. You can love them without enabling them.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So you can love them without enabling them. Doesn't mean
that you have to walk away from the person or
in the relationship. Love them without enabling them. Now, you
also say that you're a play therapist, and how do
you approach counseling children and families that's dealing with trauma
or major life transitions.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So play therapy is a wonderful tool that allows children
to express what they feel even though they don't have
the vocabulary or the life experiences that adults do. So
a play therapist's room will have so many different types
of items, toys, things that may seem regular to a person,
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but it actually will be used in a therapeutic way,
and the therapist will usually have a plan for that session.
And of course, after going through the assessment, the therapist
will know the areas of need, will know the therapeutic goals,
and then each session will allow play therapy to help
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meet the therapeutic needs with the goals. For for example,
Let's say there is a child who witnessed their father
passing out from a heart attack.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Right, well, having a dollhouse will allow the child to
say where they were when they heard the commotion in
the house, in the house, and then having a little
toy ambulance and little little little people, little dolls will
allow the child to role play what they saw from
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their vantage point. When, when the when, the when the
when the E. M. T Went into the home and
the father was taken off the floor. We might have
to make a little stretcher out of straws, a tape,
and a paper towel. We were flexible to allow the
child to have whatever they need to finish role playing.
And then once the child role plays, then the therapist
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can can allow a child go from beginning to end,
because what you don't want to do is allow the
child's imagination to fix the problem because that enables denial.
So the child goes from the beginning to the end
of the trauma, and then as needed, the therapist will
engage the child if the child feels stuck.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Wow, so this is I mean, you're well versed in
a lot of different subject matters and areas of expertise,
because when I encountered you was actually with the North
Carolina Second Jurisdiction Church of God in Christ. We're in
that jurisdiction together under Bishop Stinneth Emmanuel Powell as our leader,
mother Patricia D. Lofton as our state Supervisor of Women.
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And so when I encountered you, it was focusing more
on grief in that particular presentation. But now I see
that you've actually been over fifteen years or so in
dealing with her education and adjunct instructor and all of
these other hats that I'm learning about. What do you
and enjoy most about working with the students that you
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have been mentoring along the years.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Oh, seeing them move forward and then come back and say,
miss Alisa, guess what I'm doing what? And to let
me know where they are professionally, to let me know
how they're no longer where they were when they first
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met me. It is It's fulfilling. It is fulfilling. And
to know that they are on a road towards wellness
or they may have emotionally healed and now when they
have their own families, they will not be repeating the
toxicity that they experienced.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
So you can see when when you are in your
when you're in your mojo. I don't know what words were,
but when you in your element, right in your world,
you can see that the gifting that God entrusted you
with you are literally making a difference in a family's
entire generations to come because of what He's doing as
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gifting through you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Do you see that? Because that's what I see.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
I see that when my clients tell me, or when
I'm looking at how goals are being measured and how
they are achieving them, that is oftentimes when I see it.
But sometimes I'm so close. I'm in the moment I see.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I see the.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
I see the daily wind, or I see the weekly
win or the monthly wind. And then when I go
back and I look at the goals and see where
we need to adjust, this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yes, well, you may not pat yourself on your back,
but I'm over here.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Look clag clack clack clack, click click click click click.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm celebrating.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'm big on celebrating people, and I think it's so
important that we celebrate each other and that we lift
each other up.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
And again, I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Ever heard that quote where it says, flowers don't ever compete,
They just let the other flowers bloom. So all of
the flowers get to bloom. And I am so excited
about how you're blooming. I'm just so godly grateful. Okay,
I could spend the whole show complimenting you, for sure,
but I will tell you this that we are doing
a training. And I don't usually say it right on
(47:20):
the show, but you should have a show. Anybody that
agrees with me put it in the comments section that
this woman has to take the training to go.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Through how to start her own show from scratch. Okay,
the next.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Training starts on Monday, and this woman, you need to
be in that class because the whole world is missing
out by you not using your gift of coming on however,
frequently as a one stop shop for people to connect
to get this information. Because every one of these areas
are their own episodes, themes, whole segments for weeks to come.
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You can have themes on these topics individually broken down.
But anybody, let me talk about what I really want
to say to everybody else too. If you're interested in
starting your own show and you would like to do
it in a small group setting right from the comfort
of your home. I offer this training to you. It's
a six week training course and I teach you everything
that you pretty much need to know on how to
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start the show, how to get your guests, how to
make sure that you don't have a bunch of blanks
on your calendar, how to make sure you have the
right equipment, all of those things, the technical assistance so
you're not fearful of being able to go live on
all of these different platforms. And Les Brown does an
endorsement video over on Kim jacobsconsulting dot com if you
want to see that video, but please reach out at
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seven oh four nine six two seven one sixty one
and we'd love to if you're one of the five students,
to include you in our next training session, and I
hope you will be in that session, Alisa.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
All right, So you are also heavily involved in ministry,
and so I really want to talk from that perspective
as well. With your extensive involvement in the Kojik Church
of God in christ Field and world, what are some
of the ways that you have evolved because of the
fact that you were so heavily involved in ministry.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Well, it goes back to something else you asked me
earlier in terms of how did I kind of get
into therapy, And when I was Big Sister Sunshine, back
when I was in college at a Tabernacle Church of
God in Christ, Coorbia, Illinois, I was, you know, teaching
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the Sunshiner's songs. And then I navigated to being the
Sunday school teacher for the children's class, and then the
children would share things with me, and that let me
know there is a need for them to be seen
and heard, there's a need for them to know that
a safe person exists. And then over time, of course
(50:03):
always a choir ashure board.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
And then got into district work.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
I was district chair lady for a little bit, I
was district field representative for a little bit. And now
here in in in this phase of my life, I
am so grateful to be a part of the International
Department of Women Mental Health Professional Association. So I am
(50:33):
actually working with the International Church of God in Christ
in mental health and in business and professional Women's Federation.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
So yes, I love Tunisha Minisa Tanisia.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
We adore her.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
She's the president of the North Carolina, second jurisdiction women
business professional women and recently just had a reset event
as well.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
If I'm not mistaken, that just happened.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
And she's the president of that organization apartment within the
Church of God in Christ, and I salute her and
honor her today.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
So with mental health, no matter what walk.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Of life, it is, based on what I'm understanding, it's
not just for people in the world.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
It's people in the church that need to experience this.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Too, correct correct and when the stigma is reduced and
ultimately eliminated, then people can realize I can be saved, yes, sanctified,
filled with the Holy Ghost, and have a therapist.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Save, sanctify, feel with the Holy Ghost and have a therapist.
And I can definitely tell you that I personally had
to have my own counseling with my therapist whenever my
son transitioned, and not just when my son transition. I'm
big on getting counseling period, because I think that it's
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something that is a maintenance situation. You shouldn't only have
a counselor when everything's bad. But what do I just
need to talk to somebody and something, and I interview
people and I'll realize. Oh god, they said they saw
me on a whole billboard. I don't want them. You not,
you cannot be, you cannot be my counselor you saw
me on a you know me, you know me. I
need somebody that just does not know me. So I'm
(52:26):
a Christian woman that does not know me at that level,
and I've I've became a better person as a result
of going for counseling.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
So, you know, you raise a really good point in
my program. I was surprised to learn that not all
licensed or accredited counseling programs require therapists to have therapy.
But in my clinical Mental Health master's program, we couldn't
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have our practicum, which was about three hundred and so hours.
You have our practical without having therapy, but we could
not do any of our six hundred our internship ours
until we had therapy. We had to have It was
a whole class and we had to have therapy, and
it had to be stretched out. We couldn't cram it
(53:16):
all in one month. We had to stretch it out.
We had to walk in, fill out the paperwork, We
had to experience what we want our clients to experience
and how can we help anyone if we have not
fully addressed any hidden or unearthed trauma that's in our lives.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
I agree wholeheartedly, and all of.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Us have experienced some level of trauma. So that's why
I think all of us need some level of counseling.
And so yes, I'm definitely in a chair listening and
pouring out my soul and then getting the feedback and
things that I can implement immediately in my life. I
do want to encourage you all if you have not
partnered with us with The Kim Jacob Show, and you
(53:58):
have not poured into our program. We bring balance to
your household Monday through Friday with wonderful guests like Alisa
Rodgers and many others that come on. So take a
moment if you would, to just pour into sowing into
some really good ground, because I know that the information
that we're providing is helping to provide that missing piece
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of the puzzle that may be in your home and
bringing more synergy and more harmony to your home. So
please make sure that you venmo at the Kim Jacobs
Show again to the audio podcast listeners, PayPal, dot me, forward,
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four nine six two seven to one six one, and
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it helps our program continue to thrive from community contributions
like yours. So thank you so much, Elisa. You have
a beautiful family, and I want to make sure that
I get a chance to say something about Is this
your talk to us?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yes? Yes, So. The man in the middle is my
has been doctor Derek d Rogers Senior Doctorate in Strategic
Leadership last year. The young man in the red jacket
is my son, Derek Rogers, Junior DJ. He's a senior
(55:16):
basketball player. And Lord Willing will graduate in May.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Oh, my god, beautiful family. I can't even hardly look
at the family looking at your green jacket. Though your
family is beautiful and handsome and all, but that jacket
is also venial. I'll tell you where I got it
off the show that's called what we call at the
party stuff.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Okay, that jacket is nice, and look at you.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
You and your family look so stunning, and I'm so
happy for you. How do you balance all of the
different hats that you wear, managing the family, managing everyone else's.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Mental health and your own. How do you balance that?
Speaker 5 (55:55):
Well?
Speaker 4 (55:55):
Starts off with self carey if I have learned self
care is not selfish, okay, and I have to do
what I do for example, treadmill, I need. I need
to do something. I need to get my dorphends going,
and I need to do that. I like to make jewelry.
I make earrings out of recycled paper, so I like
(56:17):
to work with my hands.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
The other thing about balance, balance is interesting because if
you look at a pound of feathers versus a pound
of pebbles, it's gonna look different.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
And I haven't. I have learned that.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Balance may be fluid depending on the season that I'm in.
I may have to give more to one area of
my life because that's the season that I'm in. I
still do what I can, but I Am not going
to try to be one hundred percent at each level
because that may not be realistic for me in that season.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I'm a big believer that God knew exactly what season
we would be in, and so doesn't mean that we're
out of balance or out of sync with God's will
for our lives. It's just where we are for that
particular season. And I see a comment from my mom,
Ellis Bradley, she said, yes, Alisa, you need your own show.
See see Kim. Just make sure you see him. She's
(57:21):
the lady that will train you just well and knowledgeable.
Get your own show girl, get your whole show girl.
All right, let's see other let's what is it? Oh,
let's let's what is that image of tell me?
Speaker 4 (57:36):
Oh, that that is celebrating the Women's International Convention, the
seventy fifth that will be in Saint Louis in May.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Look at all speaking of which in Women's History month.
Look at these beautiful women of wisdom, and.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
We're going to our prior, our prior international supervisor.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yes, yes, yes, so I know.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'm extremely honored to be a part of the North
Carolina second jurisdiction.
Speaker 5 (58:08):
And let's see what is this?
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Tell us?
Speaker 5 (58:10):
Okay, this is.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
So on Thursday. I need to get that date right?
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Is it the twenty Thursday? I'll look it up right quick.
Let me see.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
It's on the screen. I just can't zoom in on it.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh, okay, Thursday May twenty ninth, thank you.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
So Thursday May twenty ninth, at eleven thirty, I will
be one of the empowerment speakers, and I will be
speaking on Daddy's Girls, and it's talking about how women
are able to navigate life when their fathers were not
in their lives due to a variety of reasons from death, abandonment, grief,
(58:57):
and loss right. So I will be one of the speakers,
and then the following fire are just additional phenomenal speakers
that will be also speaking on that day.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Speaking of which, up in the corner up there, I
see Lady Lawana Grant, and I want to just send
a shout out to her because she is all over
the world teaching and preaching and ministering about leadership. And
she is also I'm a part of the Charlotte Metro
District in Charlotte, North Carolina, and she is the first
Lady of our district with Bishop Darryl Grant and our
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leading Lady, which is doctor Lawana Grant. And of course
I will never not shout out my own North Carolina
second jurisdiction leading lady, Lady Beverly Powell. We have the
most phenomenal leading lady in our jurisdiction as well. So
I see Mother Barbara McCook lewis, and she's going to
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be spearheading this whole Department of Women International Convention in May.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
So you want to go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Make sure that you grab your tickets to that and
hear this wonderful lineup.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
All right?
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Anything else that you did not get to say? I
saw this the reality potential candidates need to be attracted
to something?
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yes, what is that about?
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Did I send that to you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I thought so we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
But I thought that was something you had said.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It might be fun enough.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I guess that's so funny, like buh oh, yeah, so
it says, yeah, it's one of the attachments you sent me,
but I didn't know if it was if it was
a meaning of some sort. Okay, anyway, what we are
going to say is that, guess what in life you
want to make sure that you are attracted to something.
(01:00:51):
Don't just be a magnet for any old thing. Make
sure that you be a magnet for what God has.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Called you to do.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Make sure you attract the right things, Attract everything that
God has purpose for your life, not just looking at
every opportunity, especially if it's going to throw your mental
health off. As an opportunity. Make every opportunity only matter
for what is an opportunity for you based on God's
gifting and purposing for your life. Okay, so any close
(01:01:21):
and comments, Alisa.
Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Just that if someone needs mental health care for grief
and loss, that keep in mind this is a snapshot.
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Of where they are in life.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yes, while there are some diagnoses that may follow a
person throughout a long portion of their lives, not all
diagnoses are considered to be long term. And when a
person chooses to receive help from someone that they can
(01:01:56):
be real with, authentic with, transparent with, then they can
heal and they can have their own emotional toolbox.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Because you're not you don't need therapy forever. It's for that.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Season that's so inspiring. So when we get therapy, it
doesn't mean that that's because something's wrong with us. It's
because something's right with us that God is trying to
pull out even more of it to be exposed to
the world. In my opinion, based on what I'm learning
from Elisa Rodgers, and how do people personally work with you,
(01:02:31):
Because it's one thing to hear all of this on
the show, but how do they connect to be one
on one with you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Well, I have my own therapy practice, Blue Brook Counseling, PLLC. Currently,
I am licensed in two states, in Illinois and in
North Carolina. I am able to offer Christian counseling. That is,
not to accept insurance, that is only private pay. I
(01:03:00):
can offer Christian counseling around the world, but for clinical
mental health counseling, I do accept insurance and private pay,
but for North Carolina and Illinois only.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Okay, North Carolina and Illinois only. I went on your
page and got this is I hope this is okay
for me to put.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Up here blue book, Blue Brook Counseling. You can reach
her at nine eight zero three seven eight four seven
three nine nine eight zero three seven eight four seven
three nine And again she is licensed in the states.
Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Of North Carolina and Illinois.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
North Carolina and Illinois, so that's two states. I know
we're in one hundred countries the show.
Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
But this four that is for clinical mental health counseling, okay, okay,
for Christian counseling, or for life coaching or wellness coaching.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yes, that is that's.
Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Across the world.
Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Perfect, and that would be that would be reaching out
to me under the auspices of Christian counseling or wellness
or life coaching.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So listen, you guys. If you are anywhere under the
sound of my voice or seeing us today here on
the Kim Jacob Show, where we're bringing balance to the world,
one house, all at a time, you can connect with
Alisa Rogers. It is going to change your life for
the better. As Maya Angelo often says, listen, do the
best you can until you know better. But once you
(01:04:32):
know better, then you do better. And doing better is
definitely connecting with Alisa Rogers. So do better, do better
for your life, for your family, for your legacy, and
connect with her today nine eight zero three seven eight
four seven three nine. There is no shame in being
able to just say I need help.
Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
I need help, and.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I'm going to come to you to get it. Alisa
Rodgers is where I'm coming to get the help. That's
what you want to do, all right, everybody? That is
today's episode. Do you have anything else you want to say? Elisa,
just thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
You are infectious, You are amazing, and I celebrate you.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Kim Jacobs, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Y'all make sure you pour into the Kim Jacobs Show,
so we can keep coming to your house Monday through
Friday at eleven o'clock am Easton Standard Time. I love
you all. Thank you Mackenzie backstage, and thank you all. Oh,
Kimberly Mitchell, I saw you as well, and I see
all of you that I hate disconnecting without acknowledging all
of my guests. It's been so many of you. I
see you Eleanor. I went to high school with Kimberly Mitchell. Oh,
(01:05:40):
she's on here at Timothy Mayors. I see you. I
see Ruth Warner, I see you, Suyl ask you. I
see you, doctor, Eleanor, I see you, Mackenzie. I see you, Alicia.
I see you, Sandra, Mother Sandra. I see all of you, guys, Mother,
Patricia Lofton mother, my mom. Eon greeves you over on Instagram.
(01:06:01):
Give you on birmiham I don't have my glasses on.
I see you McClendon. I see all of you all.
Thank y'all so much for being here, for believing in
the Kim Jacob Show. I love each and every one
of you, and I'll see you tomorrow at eleven o'clock
am Eastern Standard time. Love you, Elisa, stay backstage all right, everybody,
have a great day. Thank you for tuning in to
(01:06:22):
today's episode of The Kim Jacob Show and for being
in the Virtual Studio audience. Your presence truly does make
a difference, and I look forward to you bringing your
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I look forward to seeing you and make it a
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