TRANSITIONING FROM THE HOOD ME TO THE GOOD ME

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"The Good Me and The Hood Me" – a compelling story that helps children navigate identity, choices, and growing up in challenging environments. This is a conversation every parent, educator, and community leader needs to hear! Let’s talk about the power of influence, positive self-image, and the path to purpose for our youth.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Show. Listen, we have a great show lined up for you.
I'm your host, Kim Jacob's better known as the Balance Doctor,
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(00:22):
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relevant and relatable content on today's episode of a Kim
Jacobs Show.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
That Jacob.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello, everyone, and welcome to this episode of The Kim
Jacob Show, where we are bringing balance to the world
and hopefully we're bringing it into your household. We are
doing that today with doctor Paul Miller. How are you today,
Doctor Paul?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Good morning everybody. I am doing well and I am
happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh we're so glad to have you here. Listen, everyone,
you know how important it is to us that you
are active participants, so feel free to share your comments,
ask your questions along today's conversation. We're going to be
talking today about the good me and the hood me,
and a lot of times we have I would say

(01:20):
stereotypes associated with that topic. And so I cannot wait
to deep dive and to hear more about what doctor
Paul Miller has to say about this. So, doctor Paul Miller,
I want to make sure I let you all know
that he grew up facing the harsh realities of urban
life in Rochester, New York, where the challenges of poverty

(01:42):
and a lack of role models could have easily set
him on a different path, but he was inspired by
his own struggles and fueled by a desire to change
the narrative of young men of color. He has really
dedicated his life to transforming urban education and leadership, and
he is the CEO of multiple organizations including Charter Champions

(02:05):
and Urbane Education, and lots of other things that you're
going to learn about, including some books that he has
authored that we are extremely excited about hearing more about,
from the Gutter to Greatness, the twenty one Day Challenge,
and then of course now The Good Meet and The
Hood Meet, our children's book. So welcome doctor Paul Miller

(02:25):
to the Kim.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
James thank you, Yeah, yes, in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Listen. I want people to get a chance to just
hear more about you personally first, to take us back,
if you will, and give us some insight as to
your journey and growing up in the Rochester area and
letting us know more about how your story really began.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right, No, thank you for asking.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
So I grew up in Rochester, grew up to a
single parent and a single parent family home. My mother
was one who did the best she could, but there
were there were she struggled. There was some issues with
depression and some other you know, just challenges that she
was facing. And she's been able to work through a

(03:15):
lot of those challenges and we have a great relationship
at this point in time. But through being a kid,
it was it was rather difficult and due to depression.
Depressions real, y'all. And so it is like running around
with a bunch of weights on your back and it
slows you down. And so often she found herself depressed,

(03:38):
and so she would lock herself in a room and
then when she locked herself in the room, she.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Would I would be alone. I'd be raising myself.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And then on top of raising myself, we my stepfather
was around.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
My biological father wasn't around.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
He had issues drugs as well, and and just was absent,
and so so my stepfather. He he was around, but
not around. So he was around from time to time,
very negative role model. There was issues with domestic violence.
He was beating on my mom. There were times where
he would he would abuse her, and being a little kid,

(04:14):
there's nothing I can do about it. So I felt powerless,
and you know, you would see this or you'd witness
the aftermath where she would come downstairs and be bleeding,
bleeding or crying or both, or times where she was
missing a tooth, or there was times where you know,
like there's I remember these as a very very young person,
and you know you're going through this. But then because

(04:37):
of the depression, and because when he wasn't around, she
was depressed. And then when he was around, she would
lock herself in the room because she felt like she
needed to to keep him there. And so I'm raising
myself trying to figure it out. And as you're raising yourself,
I grew up in an area where initially, you know,
we were we had a house. We lost the house

(04:58):
due to all the issues that were going and on.
And as we lost the house, we moved to the projects.
When when I lived in the projects, you know, I
absolutely love it, Like the like the hood raised me,
the Hood made me, like, I love the Hood, but
I also know that there's there's good, bad and ugly there, right,
and so like we like we moved next to the

(05:20):
house where they were selling dope out of and so
my stepfather being on drugs, that that wasn't a good idea, right,
you know, and us moving next to them, and we
often find our stuff missing. We often, you know, at
times we were so poor that we were taking bottles
back for toilet paper, or we were you know, you're
waiting for the food stamps to re up so you

(05:42):
would have enough food, or you're trying to ration it
so you don't you know, so you don't run out
of food or or whatever you're doing. And it's just
you know, that creates trauma. It creates interviews, and it
creates hurt pain feelings that as a black male, we
often aren't allowed or feel safe to talk about. And

(06:03):
so that kind of led me through my adolescence of
walking around with this heavy book back that also had
waits in it, right, And I knew I didn't want
to live like that.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And I knew even though I had experienced a.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Lot of trauma, a lot of pain, and I had
experienced a lot of loneliness, and I felt like, you know,
unloved and cared about, unwanted at times, and I just
there were so many things missing that I felt like
I wasn't getting. But I knew I wanted different and
so that and the difference for me was like I

(06:40):
just didn't want to be poor no more. I didn't
want to be broke. And so I had to figure out,
did I, you know, did I hustle and do what
some other folks do to get by and live the
life in the streets, or do I go the route
of trying to follow more of what I believe God's

(07:01):
plan was for me and trying to find out what
my superpower is and then give this power to myself,
but also hopefully bless some others with my gifts and
share it in a way that would help and survive.
And that's a lot of that's what's led me to
want to write books and write some of the things

(07:21):
that I do to be able to help change lives
and do some of the things that I'm able to
do now. And it's just been a gift because I've
been really good at education has been my neck, and
you know, right as I you know, I didn't really
go into the professional side of things, but on the
professional side, you know, I've been in education for over
twenty five years, and I've been a teacher, I've been

(07:44):
an administrator.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I ran successful schools.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I was the CEO and principal, and we had ninety
seven percent black and brown young men in ninety percent poverty,
but we ended up having a ninety five percent graduation
rate one hundred percent except as the college millions of
scholarship money.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I built systems that work.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I'm open in schools now, I'm writing books, I'm supporting
other people, other leaders, I'm supporting schools. That's kind of professionally,
but I know I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Do any of that.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And without having to listen to the right voice, the
good voice over the hood voice right right and so,
and the hood voice really just representing the voice that
that's within me that at times speaks really loud, and

(08:34):
speaks really loud of and speaks through that hurt and
pain and trauma and speaks through what is the antithesis
of what God would want me to be doing right.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, that you know you you talked a lot about
some things that growing up. I can resonate because I
know I grew up in the projects or in the
hood as people would say as well. And I do
believe that all of us have that crossroad that we
come to and make a determination of what way our
life is going to really go. And I personally think

(09:08):
it's a choice that we make. And so my question
to you would be, do you feel that that that
good you versus that hood you? Which one was the
drawing or determining factor as you were growing up? Which
one really ultimately shaped to you became? When was that
turning point? I guess I should ask, because there had

(09:30):
to be a turning point for.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
You, you know, the shape who I became. You know
both both, That's what I thought.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know, and and you know.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
It's always going to be part of me, and it's
always it's always there, but it's it's the choices, is
the habits, is the rituals and routines that I decide
to listen to and see what happens. Is so think
about it, and and as I know you'll share some
some picks from the first Kid's book in a little while,
But there's think about it as that old there's old movies,

(10:01):
or there's you know what, h there was this old
movie as old school. Makes me think of it the
old God you devil, where I think and I'm dating
myself for the younger people, and then I know what
the heck I'm talking about, right, But there was this
movie where this this old guy, he came back as
God and he was like a voice in two people.

(10:22):
But then there's always the good and the bad voice
sitting on your shoulder, like the like the the good
is the angel, the bad voices the gilbleson and shoulder.
And I think about it in terms of when and
we all have experienced this where you know you you
you're conscious or God is telling you to do something

(10:44):
and and you you're supposed to do something you do right.
So let's let's think about a man who might go
out and cheat on his spouse right before the first time,
before he makes that decision, if he's never done it before, right,
And I think, as people make the wrong decision, the
voice talks a little louder, right, or that the hood
voice and this talks a little louder. But see that

(11:07):
the first time he goes out before he does it,
he thinks about it. He knows everybody knows right from wrong.
And there was some type of voice in him that said, Nah.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Don't do that. You know that's not what you're supposed
to be.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Doing, right, And he chose to turn that voice down
and listen to the other voice. And then it gets
easier because as you listen to it, it gets louder. So
whichever voice you listen to, it gets louder. And there's
been times where I've listened to both, or I've listened
to one over the other, and there's been two points
of times in my life where one has grown more
than the other, and I've had to work to turn

(11:41):
the negative down to get to the positive again and
then keep the positive going is constant work, because.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
That negative one is always there's always little that little.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Guy this' there that's still trying to talk to you
because a lot of you're hurt and pain and trauma.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So and it doesn't even matter what aspect of life
it is, either, doctor Paul, because even I know I'm
a pastor now, and it still happens at this phase
of my life, So no matter what phase of life,
because that that hood me version of me says Kim,
you know, goodness, well, this person doing this, this, this, this,
and this is no gray area, is black and white.

(12:17):
This is what they're trying to have happened.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Absolutely, And there's any time like something that that as
part of part of or could have been part of
who you are, something you experienced or seen or have
done or you know you might have seen and not
you in particular, but you might have seen people take
things when you were young, right, and and now and
now it's like you know, and and again I'm not

(12:43):
putting this on you, but now as a pastor, there
could be that little voice that said, nobody will see.
I could take that, but I could put a little.
I could put a little in my pocket and nobody see.
And that old voice could still be there. But the
fight is to say, like, that's what I saw, that's
what I learned, that's how and that voice still pops
up because you know it's in there, even though I've

(13:06):
worked on trying to heal that and turn the other
voice up. And it's the hard work and the choice
to say no, I you know what, that's not the
person that I am, that's not who I am being,
and that's not what I want to do or embark on.
And I'm not going to allow that to speak louder
again because that's not where I'm at in life.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
That's good, And I want to ask you all in
the studio audience too, what are some things that you
had to fight against? Some things that you know is
that voice pulling you in the wrong direction, but knowing
what the right thing is to do and making that
conscious choice. So what are some things that you've personally
had to overcome by making a conscious decision to do so?

(13:50):
And I know with you with the dual identities that
you talk about, it still shows up sometimes even in
the workforce and even as an educator, a leader, a mentor,
you're saying it constantly.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
There, it's always there, you know, Like you know, my my,
if I had a kryptonite. We all have a cryptonite, right,
we all have something that we struggle with. And so
when I think of those things some people and a
lot of it is symptomatic due to the trauma that
we faced, and it's our outlet or it's how we

(14:21):
cope with it, right, And so like there's a lot
of people, especially my brothers who in the in the
hood that will say, Yo, I need to go smoke
to clear my head, or I need to go I
need to go drink. I'm about to go drink right now,
and it's going to make me feel better, right, And
it's really masking the problem or situation. And I talk
about that and from the gut of the greatness as well,

(14:44):
is that, you know, like I had one of my relatives,
one of my cousins, right, and he would and I'll
talk about me too, So I'm not just gonna make
it about other people, right, but you know, my one
of my cousins, he would he started smoking early and
it was like he he always went to that to
cover up whatever it was. And he anytime and he

(15:07):
would stay high. He would stay high, and it would
cloud his thinking and his judgment. Had another friend who
was very very like you know, he was a good
looking dude, like and I say that, you know, respectfully,
but a good looking dude. But he was very self
conscious and he didn't know how to speak to the
young ladies at a young age. And so what he

(15:27):
started doing was he started he turned to some some
drinks or some alcohol and he had his drink of choice,
the cheap vodka. And anybody who who knows me or
knows who this person is, I'm sure they're laughing because
they know it's true. But he would ride around with
rickle Off in his car and so he would write
and he would take shots. And I think he still does,

(15:49):
to be honest with you, which I think it has
caused him a lot of issues throughout his life. But
you know, right around with this rickle Off, the cheapest
vodka you could find, he would take the shots and
then he would get some courage and then he would
be like the coolest capable person version of himself. And
he had and he had no issues with the ladies
until he drank too much, and then he became anxious

(16:12):
and became like like to where the ugly sides of
him came out.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Then because he wasn't he.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was drinking too much that that became a habit, right,
and it was wrong. So mine my mind was the
way I masked mind was through women. And so because
I often didn't feel the love that I needed or wanted,
it would be I would uh it would be because
of the things that I grew up with that I

(16:38):
would look to women and look to women as a
new excitement or new high of the sexual experience or
whatever it is with a woman, and that would be
my almost drug. And And honestly, even though I have
that under control and I work on it and I'm helping,
that doesn't mean that that that that fired doesn't pop

(17:00):
up or those thoughts doesn't happen. And like you said,
in the workplace, shoot, I might see a new uh
fine staff member or somebody else that I would think
was very attractive, and that lame pops up and says, hey.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know old self.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
And it's about consistently trying to just work on and
acknowledge it and then work on healing it and being
open and honest about it.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, how do how do people? Because when you're saying that,
it sounds like you've, like you say, you've mastered this thing.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
And mastered it, not mastered it. But you don't want
to say that because it's still a challenge that I
work with. But I don't allow it to beat me.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
You know what, you probably like I am. I don't
ever feel like i'm ever I've ever arrived. I actually
feel like I'm always evolving.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
And always working on it, trying to be better, yes man.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So, so as you're working on your own issues that
you've had to gain control of. My myestion is, how
do you advise people to really see the issue and
be able to take some necessary steps. Because not everybody
is able to self teach themselves like you're doing. Other
people may need counseling. Maybe what advice would you give people?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
So I'm first going to tell people go read from
the gut of the Greatness and do the twenty one
day challenge, okay, because the twenty one day challenge is
going to take the words into action where you're going
to put it into yourself. So you know, there's a
tool there for you to go and you can you
can get it everywhere or you can go to uh

(18:34):
doctor drp Mila dot com.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's a shameless plug, right.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh no, it's a great plug. We have oh hour.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
But it's really about so that and and so for me,
one of the things that I did was actually writing
this help help me to say I needed to work
on it. And so but I've developed a little bit
of a formula from that. And there's an acronym for
the utter, right, and the gutter is not about like

(19:02):
where you're at. It's about your mindset on where your
mindset is at. And so your gutter is about being
If your gutter's clogged, Uh, then the debris is going
to back up. Your gut is going to damage your house.
So how do you remove that? And the way you
remove that is just by understanding what this means and
then working through it.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Is Uh, the g is to grieve the past. So
it's okay except.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Some studio audience participation here. So g grieve the past,
y'all type participants.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So grieve the past.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
And that g is all about trying to be okay
with it. You know, you don't have to be in
prison with it. You can be. You can be sad,
you gotta. And then the second part is after you're sad,
is understanding the wound. So that U is understanding the wound,
So start to understand it, start to question it, start

(19:54):
to dive deep into it and see as you understand it,
if you better, you do better.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Right, If you knew better, you do better.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
And then the t is you are going to need
to tell the truth about it, so you know what
if you are hiding it, and you know what and
everybody's truth is different. And this doesn't mean that you
have to go and profess all of your sins to
everybody else. But what that means is that you have

(20:25):
to at least be honest with yourself about it. You
have to be honest with yourself and God, I would
say you have to because God already knows and he
already sees it. But when you're honest with yourself with
it and acknowledging that God is watching you, you know
you have more accountability. And then you have to t
turn your pain into your purpose. So how do you

(20:46):
make instead of making excuses, make them the reasons why
you do what you do, and so turning that pain
into your purpose. And as you turn your pain into
your purpose, you stop making excuses and you start to
have an attitude of gratitude and you start to live
what you're saying and you believe it. And then E

(21:09):
is about equipping yourself. Equip yourself with the tools that
you need. So if you equip yourself with these tools,
that is looking like okay, read from the gut of
the Greatness, do the workbook, go to therapy, uh you know,
journal for yourself, listen to self help, pray, meditate, exercise

(21:33):
whatever that help looks like. Equip yourself with those tools
to make sure that you don't go back to that
flame and that bad that hood me voice that we're
going to be talking about, right, And the last one
is the R and that's rise right and rise my

(21:55):
kings and queens. Is you can't lay in it. If
you can't lay in it or stay in it. So
have you went through these steps? You got to rise up.
You've already equipped yourself. You got to claim it like
God would tell you, like if you've asked for it,
then you got to stop just asking for it. You've
got to accept it that it's already been done. And
then you got to move forward in it. And so

(22:15):
this is about moving forward in it and becoming the
person that you need to be. But it's practicing this
over and over again, even in the face of adversity.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So I saw all of you all typing, and I'm
going to be popping your comments up so you have
those for later for your notes as well. I saw
someone made this comment and I really wanted you to
address it to. Frankie McCrae said, I used women for soothing.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Also, dear Frankie and myself as well, and and so
it was like I often I understand you know what
that means, right, And so I often felt unloved and
uncared about growing up, and so I was looking for
that in the wrong place. And then at an early age,

(23:01):
I had my first sexual experiences, and I'm mistaken. I
mistook that for the feeling of love, and I mistook
that the feeling, and so then it becomes a high
way that you want to repeat that feeling over and
over and over again, regardless of who you hurt. And
so mine is worse because I'm not just hurting myself.

(23:23):
I'm hurting somebody else. You know, somebody who was drinking.
You know, they hurt other people invertedly, but they're initially
hurting themselves, right, And I'm hurting myself and somebody else.
So it's really me realizing that and trying to work
towards doing something different and changing that. And that's why
I wrote this kid's book, because I want kids to

(23:45):
start working on themselves and understanding those voices earlier, right,
and understanding that if I had healing and help and support,
this would have worked. You know, I could have moved
from my gutter greatness sooner. And if I knew these
things as a kid, and I had support. And actually,
you know what, there was this book that I read

(24:06):
when I was young that stayed with me, and it's
called the It's called The Good.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Me and the Great Meat.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
And that book stayed with me because now this book
is modeled after that, it's just.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
A more of a hood version, right, So, but it.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Was all about those hearing those voices and making good choices.
And so it's something that I always thought about as
I was growing up, even when I was doing the
wrong things.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
So even when we're doing the wrong things, we're still
we know what's right, but we're just making the conscious
decision to do the wrong thing. Yes, a lot of
I mean people don't always say that. People say, oh,
I didn't know, I really read a mistake. And they.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Knew internally though, right, they knew internally, and they knew internally,
and that voice spoke to them, but they turned it
down and so it was loud. It was like if
you had somebody in your ear talking to you really low,
and but I hear you, I hear your voice louder,
and I'm gonna choose. I'm choosing to listen to you

(25:11):
instead of the little voice in my ear.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
That's good. And Angela said, we must take we must
make good choices that serve us in positive ways. So
making conscious choices to serve us in positive ways. Doctor
Lotus Roche is on and you know that she definitely
supports you and all that you do and one of
the one of the people that behind the scenes helping
you take flight.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I had to do it.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
I had to learn to put me first and not
be a people pleaser unapologetically any thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, And a lot of that comes from something that
was happened or something that was missing or something that
she wanted or needed from people, and and and a
lack of something that she needed or for herself or
confidence or whatever it was that I'm that I know

(26:06):
that she's been working on, has worked on to continue
to develop, to push herself in the successful uh woman,
businesswoman that she is today.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
And so you know, and that's what it all is.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
We got to see she started to understand the wound
and understand that it is and it's my guy, g Hayes,
what's up?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Gary temper is an issue for him so a lot
of people, It's not just you, Gary, A lot of
people have a hard time maintaining how they're gonna deal
with their their temper and keeping it under control. Any
any thoughts on that, doctor Paul?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, Gary, So I know Gary Kevi well.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And Gary is funny because when he gets read, his
cheeks get all read and everything like that. So I
know he's cussing me out now because I'm saying that,
But that's my guy, right So but but yeah, and
that anger comes from also problem, from the hurt and pain,
and I know the brother story of all the crazy
things that he's also been through and that he's worked

(27:08):
to overcome and to adjust and to deal with. And
again it's kind of just it's going through these steps
with yourself and making that choice to continue delving in
and working towards. Like I'm choosing me, and I'm choosing
to be the great me. I'm choosing to be the
good me, over the hood me and over this voice

(27:31):
or this vision, because like God has a plan for
all of us, and I look at it is as
like there's this white board and so like I'm I
guess I'm a go in for a second, right, there's
this white board when we're all born, I believe we're born.
And this white board has two sides to it, and
so on the one white board, on the one side,

(27:52):
imagine a whiteboard that's completely filled out, has all your
whole destiny, everything that God knows, your born date, your
end date, and everything you're gonna do bad and ugly,
and the choices that you're that He has planned for
you and that you're gonna make.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
And then the other side is clean and clear. Your
baby we have as clean, it's clear.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
And then as there you're socialized, and as your life
starts to adjust and your parents raise you and whatever
you go through and all these pieces, you start to
make decisions, and your whiteboard starts to populate, and that
starts to populate. You have to figure out and you're
faced with where the rubber meets the road of the
choices are you going to go? Because one thing God

(28:30):
has given us as free will and choice. And like
so for me, an example that I have is where
you know, I remember one time where I was I
was riding with some drugs and I was going to
make a sale, and and and I was always told
that I was going to be really really good or

(28:50):
really really bad, and like this was professed over my
life and that I was. And what I mean by
that is I was either going to do great things,
help people, be a leader amongst men and be able
to do good things, or I was going to be
really good at being bad and I was going to
be either a criminal or whatever else I was going
to be. And so, you know, and I believe God

(29:11):
knew that I had to try certain things or that
I was going to do certain things, but that wasn't
the path that he wanted me on. And so I
remember riding, and I was riding and there was a
significant amount of narcotics and I got a flat tire
and proof the tire blew out, and as it blew out,

(29:32):
I got out the car. I was nervous and scared,
but I wasn't nerven scared because I thought I was
gonna get robbed or anything like that. But I felt
like I felt and I heard God tell me like
this is a warning. And when there was a warning
before destruction, right, and so like this is your warning.
And next time it's not going to be a flat tire,

(29:52):
It's going to be either you know, jail or something worse,
and so it's going to be something consequence that you
don't want, and so you need to listen. This is
not what I want from you, and I need you
to listen to this voice, and I need you to
hear me, and I need you to do things differently.
And so I realized that I had to walk away

(30:14):
and do things differently that day and live in my
purpose of what God really wanted me to be doing.
And it wasn't that, and so that's what I started
to And I always heard that voice, and that was
something my mother always put into me, was, you know,
the values in God praying, and so it never left
me even though I turned it down. Even though I
turned it down and I didn't always listen, and I

(30:35):
made some negative choices, and I've heard some people and
I've done some things that isn't great, and I'm not
perfect to this day, obviously, But it's turning it and
listening to that voice and turning it up and then
following the path and then being able to stay on
that path and using that path to guide me and

(30:55):
trying to have what I want meet what was on
the other side of the what God wants.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
From y that's a good visual, a clean slate, and
then one that's already filled out with all of the
things that God knows you're already gonna do. But knowing
that we have a free will and a free choice,
you and you made the right choice, the one that
ultimately took you from the gutter to greatness. And so
for those of you that are tuning in, we're talking

(31:22):
with doctor Paul Miller, who is the author of From
the Gutter to Greatness, Turning your setbacks into your set ups.
And I love this image the Gutter to Greatness, and
that that was something that you made a conscious decision,
and not only for your own adult life, but you've
also made the decision to help inspire young people too

(31:43):
so that they can make better choices. And hence you
now have the new book that's out, the Hood, The
Good Me and the Hood Meet. And if you all
need to know, there is a QR code right there
for you to pre order your copy now, The Good
Me and the Hood Me. You can definitely scan that
QR code. But we're gonna be talking more with Paul

(32:05):
Miller right after we just hear a little bit about
this book. We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
The Good Me and the Hood Me is a bold
and beautiful journey through the mind and heart of a
young boy navigating two worlds within himself. In this groundbreaking
children's book, doctor Paul Miller opens the door to an
internal dialogue that so many young boys face, but few
know how to express. Through poetic narration, raw honesty, and

(32:40):
vivid internal conflict.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
The book explores the boy's daily tug of war between
the Good Me, the version striving for purpose, peace and promise, and.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
The hood Me, the version born from survival, pressure, and pain.
This is more than a children's It's a.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Movement, a conversation's daughter, and a healing tool. Coming this
September fifteenth, discover the story behind the balance we all
face the.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Good and the hood within.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Preorder your copy today and.

Speaker 7 (33:15):
Secure yours before release day, scan the QR code or
visit The Goodme andthhoodmeeed dot com.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
So everybody, make sure that you're putting in the comments
section that you have already pre ordered your copy or
you are pre ordering it today and let us know
so we can put your comments up saying that you're
supporting this project one that everyone, every school, every organization,
I believe everybody around the world should have a copy
of this because it teaches us how to understand the

(33:53):
dynamics of the good me and the Hood met What
made you come up with that particular title?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Tell us that, Well, it was again, I was following
the good and the Great meat, and even though I
liked that it was like good and better, I wanted
to show the contrast, and I wanted to show the
contrast and the struggle in the title.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
And so you know what's interesting is that I sent
I sent a video similar to this to some people
in my contact list, and I sent it to maybe
one hundred, one hundred and fifty people, and maybe three
out of the hundred said to me, well, why are
And I don't even know if they watched the video

(34:38):
or not, but they looked at the title and they
were like, well, why are you talking about the Hood negatively?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Because the Hood isn't all bad?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
And why are you shaking your head while you're doing it.
They must have had an attitude they were like, and
why are you.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Because it was it was annoying and and you know,
and I'm just me, So it was annoying from the
perspective of like, that's not what it's about, Like the
hood raised me, the hood made me, like I wouldn't
be who I am without what I've learned and without
the people that I've without my childhood friends, without the
people that I grew up with, like love, love my

(35:14):
brothers and my sisters. But at the end of the day,
there's also a lot of negative influences in the hood.
We have a choice whether we do those or follow
those or listen to those, right and so that voice
speaks loudly in a lot of us, and a lot
of our young kids, specifically talk to My young black

(35:37):
boys and my young brown boys are are presented with
so many of the negative aspects on a daily basis,
from the things they listen to, to the things they watch,
to the things that they participate in around them, that
that creates this voice that can fuel a fire and

(35:59):
then on the inside of them. Though, what I'm going
to also argue is that all of them are innately good.
No one is born bad like they're innately good. And
it is a choice on which voice to listen to,
and so, you know, and so those people making that judgment,

(36:19):
or there's people who are automatically going to you know,
think that this is about negatively if you, if you
know me at all, that's not going to be the case.
And I send it to people that I know, like
for you to even think that is offensive to me,
right and now I don't get offended easy, but like
for you to even think that is offensive, because at

(36:40):
the end of the day, it's not about that. It's
about how do we make sure that our kids pick
the right version of themselves and not the version that
could take them down the wrong path because they're one
decision away from it. And so this book is about
describing what those decisions look like by through story and
telling the story of what it looked like for me

(37:01):
and what needed to happen in order to choose the
right voice. And then even at the end of the book,
there's twenty one questions, like twenty one days to break
a habit, right, there's twenty one questions that kids could
and kids and teachers can or parents can use to
connect with their kids to help bring some of this
out of them.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And really this.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Could be used in schools and churches, in after school
programs at home, and it's very relatables, and I would
say it's probably best suited for third, fourth through eighth grade,
and even.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
My next question, what age group?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, so three, third and fourth through about eighth grade,
and it's still even appropriate for middle school kids because
you know, the content is mature enough, but not so
mature that a third or fourth grader couldn't read it.
And the way it's written, it's written in a very

(38:03):
uh like if the video says a poetic and rhyming
tone that anybody would be able to take advantage and relate.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
To, that's great. And then so with the internal conflict
that not I know we're gearing it towards children in
this regard, but I believe every person deals with internal conflict.
But since we're talking about the Good Me and the
hood Me and the children's version, what do you think
that your book is going to do to allow children

(38:33):
that do get a hold to this, as my grandma
would say, to be able to identify those internal struggles
that they're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know what, I think.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think it's going to be an awareness and I'm
hoping what it does is and in my heart when
I hope is it does similarly what the Good and
the Great Me did for me. Right, And so even
though I went through life and I still made good
and bad decisions. That it was a book that I
never forgot. It was a book that you know, And

(39:04):
I can't tell you that I remember a lot of
books from my childhood, and of course remember some of
the typical ones, but I wasn't everone who was like, oh,
I can't wait to read this book, right, But I
distinctively remember that book and remember that it was all
about me and all about my decision and choices, and

(39:25):
that I had a choice to be one or the
other and I had to. And if you do good things,
usually the way you think is how you act. The
way you act is what you attract, right, And so
if I'm thinking and I'm doing good things, I'm going
to attract good things. If I'm thinking bad things and
doing bad things, I'm probably going to attract bad things.

(39:45):
And so now this is putting me in a mindset
as a kid to understand that and also be aware
where I think it made me listen to that conscious
and listen to that good or that God voice more
because because it was implanted in me in this way,
because I was aware of it.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yes, And so really, what as I hear you speak,
which is so important for you to be on so
many shows. Uh maybe seeingn and other places around the
world too.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Hey they should and yeah, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
What you're saying is actually going to change the narrative
of all all types of boys of color, any any
young man of color, and just men overall, young men period,
what their color is. But because we're talking about urban
young men, I believe that you say representation matters. That's
something that you are heavy on, and you specifically when

(40:43):
it comes to children's literature and learning and education. So
how do you think that this is really going to
change the narrative of our young men, young boys of color?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
You know?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I think it gives them something to connect to. For
somebody who looks like that, who's been through some things
like they that they should be, they will be able
to identify with this book. And my hope is that
it makes them think twice, you know, before they and
gives them and a reason to make that voice louder

(41:19):
in themselves. And because each time it speaks louder and
it prevents them from doing something they shouldn't do, this
book might keep them from doing something that they shouldn't do.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
This book may keep a young child out of jail.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
So for example, like that time when I was writing
and I was I gave the example of the time
that I was getting ready to go sell narcotics, but
I heard a voice, and I heard this voice in
me that spoke loud enough, and I chose to listen
to it. But I had to learn about that voice first,

(41:54):
and it came from that book that I read. So
that might have been a changing thing of my narrative
or my story. And so I want this to change
their story and their narrative. And there's no reason why
it can for all kids, but specifically my young boys
of color.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I think you are so spot on with this, and
even I know when I was when I was a
mother of five children, I used to do this thing
when they were growing up called table topics, and what
they were were I still have them, actually, but their
cards and we would pull out a card and it
would be a conversation starter, doctor Paul. So it would

(42:35):
say something like, if you were president of the United
States for one day, what would you do? Or if
you could create anything in the world, what would it be?
And I learned so much about my children, right and
how they even think. One talked about creating an emotion
code like a remote control for an emotion code protector.
I was like, who thinks like that? I have some
brilliant children when I think of this book. The reason

(42:58):
I'm saying that is because when I think of this book,
it reminds me of how teachers and educators and parents
and leaders in ministry can use your book as a
conversation starter.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Absolutely, and the questions are back there to help them
with the conversation starts, so they don't even have to
do it on their own. Kerry. There's twenty one questions
there that are all relevant to what they would have
ascertained from the book and be able to move forward
with it.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
And it was done purposefully.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
It was very intentional because I want I don't want
people to just read it and put it down.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I want people to read it and do something with it.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
And I think there's even some spaces to write in
in there, a little, not a lot of space, but
enough spaces to get some thoughts going for kids to
start thinking and move and a lot can be done
with this to help change the narrative for kids and
their mindset. And that was just really, it's getting people
open to this concept and open to utilizing this in

(43:54):
their schools, utilizing it in their homes and their churches
and everywhere else. You know, people pre ordering Jordan's for
their kids, you know, pre order something that's going.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
To help change their lives. Yes, this is something that's
going to help you to.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Help them and mold them into the person that God
really wants them to be.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, please take a moment and scan that QR code
or even go to the Good Meet andthhoodmeet dot com.
But make sure you go ahead and pre order your
book and even again pre ordered in bulk quantity so
that you can give it to your children's ministry or
you can give it to your students in the after

(44:37):
school program. It's going to give people a chance to
make some better choices in their lives, all because they
have a resource. This is almost like a resource guide
in my opinion, to help young people see the better
choice that they could make to have a better outcome
in their lives. So I'm really excited about the Good
Me and the Hood Meet and I hope that you
all are putting it in the comments section that you

(44:58):
plan on fully supporting this project. Let's see talk about it.
Chris said, talk about it.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Thank you, Thank you guy. Yeah, we're trying to change
some lives here and and really, you know, this is
about how how do we save lives. We're at a
time in our country and all over the world that
we're in so much turmoil, and I believe the enemy
is targeting our youth. You look at all the things
that are happening, and we need to help our youth

(45:28):
start to look at and see things differently and changing
their mindsets as much as we need to change ours
as well. And so that's that's really what I'm out
here talking about, and trying to make sure that people
are doing uh and living their creed and trying to
help create these things really so we can have better
communities and defend against all the evil that's out here,

(45:50):
because there's a lot going on out here.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And it's a lot. You know.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
They say it's the last days and times, and not
to be hoping for people, you know, but at the
end of the day, these last days and times, what
is our responsibility to do something different?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And it starts with our kids. I agree.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And this is just one of the ways that you're
assaulting the earth, and I'm grateful that you're using the
gifts and the talents that God truly is trusting you
with to be able to make a difference, and not
only you and your family lives, but in the lives
of so many other people around the world. So Francisca says,
powerful words, powerful words. Chris is doing the strong emojis

(46:33):
and people are saying talk about it. Doctor Lotus says
that I love this great discussion. Thank you, Kim the
Balance doctor for this topic. It's my honor. Actually, this
whole week we've been talking about how people are transitioning
from one thing to another. I had a guest on
my show that just talked about how he transitioned from
the Nation of Islam to Christianity. Very powerful discussion, so

(46:56):
if you miss that, check it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Out on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And we're talking today with doctor Paul Miller about how
to transition from the hood me to the good meet
and that's what we're talking about here today. So thank
you so much, doctor Lotus. Catherine de Leone says, the
book is for everyone. It's a great tool to help
parents with raising their children. That's great. Angela said, great
video that you shared awesome. Congratulations. I don't want to

(47:22):
miss any of your comments, but it's so many of
them coming in. I'm so grateful that you all are participating.
We have shared the broadcast on your page and you
can too. Sometimes people make an assessment before really knowing
what is all what the book is all about, just
based on the title.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Right right, And you know, like one of the brothers
that come in mind, he is very like afrocentric, you know,
he would be you know, he would be a doctor
umar esque, you know. And you know my brother and
I've known this dude for years, but he made some prejudgments.
So I can't wait till he gets I get it

(47:58):
in his hands. See that this is about changing kids' lives.
And this is not about damaging or disparaging the hood.
It's about keeping it real and saying that we got
voices and choices and we need to listen to the
voice that's going to help us get to where we
got to go. And that's and it's putting a little
more light in the hood, you know what I mean,

(48:19):
And putting letting the sunshine in the hood and so
that we can help things to grow.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
That's beautiful, beautiful beautiful.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
I love that. I love that illustration. Doctor Lotus for
Chet is also reminding everyone that doctor Paul Miller is
going to be at an in person event called Ignite
Your Life for Life Summit, and it's when men exhale.
So get your ticket right now. You can go to
Ignite your Life for Life dot com if you want

(48:50):
to meet doctor Paul Miller in person and shake this
great man's hand who's changing.

Speaker 8 (48:56):
The trajectory of our young people's lives. So would love
to meet you. I want to see everybody in person. Hey,
I want to come to your town from the Philippines. Okay,
that's that's good stuff. I can't I want to come
to your town.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I want to come and hopefully just share break bread
and share some words of inspiration.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
That's good. That's good, y'all. Ve also said doctor Miller,
thank you for adding and highlighting this perspective as a man.
This resonates as a black woman from the hood, and
me being a black woman from the hood, I can
relate to everything that you're sharing here today.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And a lot of times I speak to I might
speak directly to my brothers, but I'm trying to speak
to everyone or I want everybody to hear. And and
so like there's been some people that's read the gut
of the Greatness, and like a woman that specifically comes
to my mind, and she said, this was the first

(50:00):
book that I think may help me save my marriage
because she said that it is helping me to understand
my black man and so and so and just understanding
some of the things that he may or may have
not went through. But then if people can uh get

(50:21):
away from the pronouns that I'm using and look at
it as this may be applying to you too, because
we all have had trauma, we all have had baggage,
we all have those voices, whether you're a man or woman,
and it is regardless of your gender, regardless of your ethnicity.
You have these struggles because this is human. And so

(50:43):
if you can take the factors away that you know,
I'm a black man, the light skin, but yeah, I'm
a black man, and you can take you light.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You can't, you know, but you and you could take
away the fact that I'm a man and just hear
the what's rooted in trauma and pain and what's rooted
in experiences and how do you mirror those experiences to

(51:13):
also look so you don't have to repeat them or
start to change your experiences. This type of work is
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yes it is, and this work you guys. You can
follow doctor Paul Miller right at doctor p as In
Paul Pmiller dot com, Doctor pmiller dot com. You can
also order your book The Good Met and The Hood Meet,
the children's book you can get that. You can also
get From the Gutter to Greatness, all of it right

(51:41):
at his website doctor pmiller dot com. Let's see, I
just want to make sure how do you feel like
your book is going to differ from any other children's
books that are out there? Not that you're comparing yourself
to others, but really what do you think is the difference?

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Well, the difference is is that it's it's so authentically
real that it's even though you know, it is put
in a way that kids can understand, and so authentic
that and it's so actual and factual, from the art

(52:20):
work that's in it, to the imagery to the to
the i'll say lyrics you know that are are going
to be played through the kids heart, minds and souls,
that it has the ability to really change their lives
where a lot of work is just just done too
because they write books.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
This is done because I want to change lives.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yes, yes, you're gonna make me say listening. Care you
sure you're preaching up inside of it?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
You know, I've been told so, you know. But I
think this is my form of preaching, you.

Speaker 9 (52:58):
Know, and you know, and never say never, but you know,
I just think that God has put this in me
to help change lives and to change trajectories to education.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Like right now, outside of my office, I am running
a new and transitional teachers institute for twenty seven schools
have the opportunity to participate, and we take teachers from
each school and we put them in this institute too,
and we don't charge them either. We put them in
this institute to help them to educate black and brown

(53:31):
kids better and we give them the skills that they
may have missed in their education programs because these colleges
out here good stuff. You got your copy?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yes, yes, I didn't want to interrupt you, but I
was like, wait a minute, he got his copy from
Or to Greatness just came in, Frankie just got his copy.
Also is streaming on the Man Therapy Facebook group page.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
So make seez Thank you absolute Frankie. I can't wait
to hear your feedback comments. And I'm always open a
dialogue and building on it. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
But this institute is going on and we're trying to
give them skills because the teacher programs don't often teach
teachers how to teach black and brown kids, and they
miss some of the best practices in the needs. And
so this is one of the things that I'm passionate
about that we're doing that we're giving this gift to teachers,
and so this is about really trying to inform change
to me to make sure our kids get what they need.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
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(54:49):
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(55:09):
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if you were sitting across from a young man and
you know that he's lost in the streets, I'm kind

(55:30):
of being poetic over here, right, You got me my poetic.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Moment, Good, good good. I like this.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
And so he's he's lost and he's trying to figure
out how can I make it? What would you say
to him, especially with you being the author that you
are and your personal experiences that you've had to encourage him.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You know, the first thing I would tell him is
to is to stop, take some time and go with it,
and go within and ask God the question, and ask
the God God the question. What does God want from me?
And what does God want for me? And then what

(56:12):
I would ask him to do is work towards quieting
the noise and hear the answer. And so hear the
answer and let that answer speak to his soul. And
then once he feels that feels or hears or however
God speaks to him or whatever God shows him, that
answer is because if you ask your answer, you know.

(56:33):
And and sometimes you got to ask a few times
and you keep asking until you're quiet enough to hear
the answer.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
But you got to be open to the answer because
sometimes it's not always what we want to hear.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
And so I would tell that person to deeply listen
and hear and then put a plan in place to follow.
And even though you know so changing your mindset is difficult,
you know, there's there's steps and processes that you can
follow to get there where I believe like it's about

(57:05):
welcoming all obstacles, welcoming welcoming all challenges, right, and so
you're welcoming it, and then you anticipate that there's going
to be obstacles, and then you let them know that
their greatness would come from their effort. So it's not
about his ability, is going to be his effort and

(57:27):
then you and anticipate that there's going to be criticism
and you accept it, and you accept that criticism and
you take it to grow, and then you let others
inspire you. And those are the steps the changes your
mindset and working through it. Hey, that's also from we
need to Do Better two point oh y'all. So now,

(57:47):
but that's what I would I would give him those
kind of that formula to follow the change his mindset,
but it would start with going and asking God what
he wants and then following it.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
That's really inspiring. Listen. I hope that you all will
share this with every family you know around the world,
because every household needs to be able to have a
copy of this and understand some of the different dynamics
to help children make better choices. Is what I'm walking
away with today. So thank you again for letting God
use you in this capacity. Yeah. What, you're also a

(58:22):
podcast host, so you have the Gutters from the Gutter
to Greatness podcast. How can people tune.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
In from the Gutter to Greatness?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Dot com or iTunes, Spotify, you name it, all the
podcast sites. So yeah, from the gut to Greatness dot com.
You can check it out there too, so we always
have it running.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah, make sure you stay connected with doctor Paul Miller.
If you go to doctor p Miller dot com, you're
going to find everything there is to know about him.
His his podcast, his books, his conferences, if places he
speaks around the world. You're going to be able to
stay connected with this powerhouse. So make sure that you
stay connected right away. And if you have any closing thoughts,

(59:09):
what would it be to just share with everyone that's
tuning in today.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
You know it starts, It starts one day at a time,
but it needs to start today. You know, you stop
making excuses for yourself and for others and turn your
excuses into your reasons and uh, just you know, start
doing the work.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
You know, you you got to be the change you
want to see.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
That's right, and that's so easy. Everybody says you have
to be the change that you want to see. But
doctor Paul Miller really is living. He's practicing what he's preachings.
He's saying, this has been my story, my journey, and
here's how I'm going to make someone else's life better.
As I passed the baton to other people to follow.
So I thank you for letting your light shine today,

(59:54):
Doctor Paul Miller for being here on the Kim Jacob Show.
Thank you all for being such active audience participants. Doctor Lotus, Roche,
thank you. Make sure you tune into Doctor Lotus, Che
Lotus for sche ignites you show and everyone. I love
each and every one of you, so thank you so
much for being a part of the studio audience today.
Any closant thought, any other thought.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Noah, And you know just that I want to thank you,
Kim for having me on, and thank you for the
type of show that you're doing. And I just hope
that people continue to support you and support the message
and the brand that you're putting out there to help
bring again your brand of change here and bringing people

(01:00:36):
on who are really trying to bring balance to the
world and create the change. And you know that just
should be acknowledged and also celebrated. So thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Thank you. And if any of you all are interested
in starting your own show from scratch, a lot of
times people are interested in having their own podcast, their
own talk show, virtual show right from the comfort of
your home. I am doing a training where I teach people,
five students at a time, on a six week journey
how to create your own show from scratch. So you
can reach out to me seven oh four nine six'

(01:01:10):
two seven one six y one or Email kimjacobshow at
gmail dot com to learn. More and we do take
only five students And i'll be happy to work with
you on your on your. Venture all, right all, Right
god bless you. All everybody stay, Backstage Actor, paul and
you all have a fantastic rest of your. Day love you.
All thank you for tuning in to today's episode Of

(01:01:30):
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