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May 23, 2025 35 mins

Host Bob Gatty interviews Chad Lewis, author of 'The Persuasion Game,' to explore the influence-peddling schemes of Rudy Giuliani, Lev Parnas, and Igor Fruman during the Trump administration.


The discussion covers the impact of these schemes on American democracy, the spread of Russian disinformation, and comparisons to authoritarian regimes like Turkey. Global influence peddling was the name of the game.


Chad shares insights from his four-and-a-half-year investigation, revealing connections between Giuliani's clandestine activities and Trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. There's a ton of new info that Chad Lewis uncovered and shares with us as he unmasked the corruption that took place.


Tune in to understand the serious implications of these findings on current and future U.S. democratic processes.

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

00:09 Trump's Impeachment and Corruption

00:36 Giuliani and Parnas' Influence Schemes

00:57 Impact on American Democracy

01:12 Interview with Chad Lewis Begins

01:27 Global Implications of Trump's Actions

03:33 Putin's Disinformation Campaign

06:42 Media's Role in Disinformation

09:42 Comparisons to Historical Autocracies

10:38 Turkey's Shift to Authoritarianism

14:56 The Persuasion Game Book Insights

25:09 Personal Risks and Repercussions

33:38 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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