RV Living: A Spiritual Journey with April Renee

Jeni is joined by April Renee, a former Corporate America professional who skyrocketed to a six-figure salary by age 34 through her relentless pursuit of improvement. April shares her journey to solopreneurship, where she focuses on enhancing personal well-being and how she started her nomadic lifestyle. She offers valuable insights on letting go of what weighs us down and listening to our intuition. Together, Jeni and April delve into the transformative impact of nomadic living, the importance of preparation, the joys, and the challenges of this lifestyle.

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Episode Transcript

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Travel, life and fun listening tothe Life at Interus podcast present it by
Safe What Radio. Welcome to anotherepisode of the Life Adventurous Podcast. I'm
Jenny Hollow, your host, andthis is the place to be if you

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want to explore things oh spiritual,where we go into the edge of spirituality,
and of course we've got to talkabout travel and adventure and living life
is a nomad and anything else inbetween. So we are right in the
middle of a really fun nomad series. So for those of you who are
watching on YouTube, this is thefirst video as part of the series.

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We've actually had a couple other episodesdrop first. So the first episode is
part of this little mini series isI shared what life has been like over
the past two years, and sohere on the YouTube channel you will see
a video of me and Jay talkingabout that. I actually have a solo
episode where I talked about it independently, and then I also had one that

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went out as the second part ofthe series talking about what's holding you back
from a nomad lifestyle? And thenthe next one was I was interviewing Jay
and talking about nomadic mindset and howthat it could apply to you no matter
if you're a nomad or not.So there's a lot of amazing gems in
here. And today's episode has avideo aspect to it because we have a

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guest on video. Sometimes mean Jaydon't do that video thing. And I
am so excited because the reason Iwanted to bring April on today is because
she lives a very different life asfar as her like nomad life than Jay
and I live. Right, we'reliving in the Airbnb's the furnished finders.
I mean, you can even seelike a bed in a place here in

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the background if you're on video.And she's been doing the RV life,
and so I'm excited to explore withher a bit of like the nuances and
differences and even she's done a lotof spiritual work, so of course we're
going to spend some time talking aboutthat. So April Sumner, we have
a very similar background. This isso cool. So April Sumner has a
twenty year history in corporate America,where she achieved a six figure salary by

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the age of thirty four by obsessingon her primary questions, how can I
make this better? How can Ibe better? Those questions led her to
save a mid sized company over tenmillion dollars annually through incremental improvements. She
now brings her experience to solopreneurship andis building a personal brand focused on the
continuous improvement of personal well being.She wants to help you let go of

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what's dragging you down. Here arethe cause of your heart and fulfill them.
She's in the process of designing aself discovery journey and will offer intuitive
guidance to assist. So let's bringApril on April. Welcome to the podcast.
I'm so excited you're here. Thankyou, It's so nice to be
here. Yeah, so share alittle bit about like whatever's on in your

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heart, like who are you?And why are you here? You know,
I don't know. Oh my gosh, dropping the big questions right off
the bat. Oh gosh, Sowhere do we go with that one?
I'll drop into like the three dZoe who I think that I am an
explorer at heart. I have alwaysbeen asking the questions of like I,

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like you said in the introduction,about how I can make things better,
how I can be better, andI really have a long term vision for
how I can help with the supportof global wellbeing. So everything that I'm
doing now on a personal basis isin preparation for this long term vision of

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mine. And I would say,I'm just very altruistic by nature, and
I don't know, I don't knowwhat else to say. Of course,
we're going to be sharing a lotmore because then my next is I gave
a little bit of it about thefact that you're living in an RV,
but can you back up, liketo how you even gotten to nomad living

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and even share a bit more aboutlike what your lifestyle liked with nomad because
like I said, it's very differentthan ours, but I'm sure there's a
lot of similarities. Yes, Soyou know, I spent a long time
in Corporate America and did a lotfor that company and didn't receive the recognition

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like many of us go through,right, you know, giving giving,
giving, and not seeing in returnjust making money for somebody else. And
maybe about halfway through my career,I started feeling the call of my heart
and saying, you know, Ireally want to do something more meaningful than
this. I really want to bein a place where I'm appreciated and where

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what I do really feels like itmatters. And so I began to kind
of work towards that. But thenthere were some shifts in my life,
of course, and I ended upstaying in it much longer than I thought
I would. And then we wereacquired by the third investor company, and

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that was a really toxic leadership team, and things got much worse there,
and I was given really the choiceof go into a corporate sales position or
leave, no interview, nothing.It didn't matter about my reputation with the
organization before, and so I didit. I went into corporate sales,

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and I thought, well, letme give it a shot. It was
the only position that I had beenresisting through my career. But things were
so bad at that company that Ijust really couldn't do sales with integrity,
and so I was very unsuccessful insales because I just wouldn't trick people into

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buying a service that I thought wasreally subpar. And so it came to
a point where it was really interestingbecause I was always like this type a
super efficient work really really hard,achieve all my goals, and then it's
like everything started closing down on meand like all my energy had drained out,

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and I instead of being like thesuper efficient person, it was like
I was just trudging through toxic slimemud, and I really was shocked at
what was going on within me,and I started to do probably like three
or four hours of self reflective journalinga day to figure out what was going

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on and where do I need togo from there. Soon after that,
there was a split and they letme go. I wasn't making quota so
fine, and I continued on withmy self reflection, kind of not knowing
where I would go from there,because that was my whole you know.
I started at the company when Iwas nineteen years old, so all my

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identity was wrapped up in that jobso much that I kind of didn't know
who I was anymore after that orwhat I was going to do. I
had an idea I started a business, but there were a lot of things
to figure out, actually, andthings in my life just started to become

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more clear through that journaling, andI realized that I didn't want to go
back to corporate America. I didn'twant the golden handcuffs, and so I
was going to just go out onmy own, using the resources that I
had available and just try something new, which meant that I needed to sell
my huge house in Florida on thewater. And then soon after that,

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I realized that my relationship, sevenyear long relationship was really actually toxic on
both sides, and that trying toget to resolution wasn't working. Communication just
couldn't happen, and so I hadto let go of my relationship, and

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they're being without the house, withoutthe relationship, and kind of almost like
a blank slate. I was like, all right, well, what's what's
my naked move here? I didn'treally know, and I always wanted to
travel the US, and I justthought, well, this is my opportunity,
right, I have no chains toanything so and I have the resources

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to do it, so why not. So I traded in my BMW and
I got a fourd F two giddytruck and I bought a fifth wheel trailer,
so that's what I'm using. It'stwenty five ft long, two hundred
square feet, so I went fromthirty two hundred square feet to two hundred

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square feet, which was pretty crazy. And I had never driven a fifth
wheel before, so it was prettyscary. But that's how I ended up
here. And I decided that Iwould spend that time trying to figure out
what the next step was and figuremyself out more because there was still a
lot more work to be done.Yeah. I think we met if I

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remember right based on you telling thestory, because I haven't heard the whole
story or I don't remember it inthis way, is that I think we
met either right before or right afteryou bought the truck. It could be.
Yeah, I remember it was veryclose to my leaving yeaheah, and
I relaxed probably I think three monthsafter that, Okay, yeah, because
you you were testing out what itwas like to drive and live in an

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RV, and I think that wasunique. There's probably a lot of people
that just jump into an RV andI've never really tried it out like we
almost did. I don't know ifI told you this, but we were
in four Walton Beach and I waslike, you know what, I'm sick
of pan all this rent in theseplaces. What have we just owned our
own home and drove around. Sowe went into camping World and we were
just casually looking and I, forme, I'm like, well, I

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don't want to pull a fifth wheel. I mean, here, we are
both women, but this is myown thing, right, Like, I
don't want to pull a fifth fillon my own. That's a big thing
to carry you to drive around.And I don't know anything about an RV,
and so I was looking at likea Class C, which is basically
like a truck on wheels. Ijust learned these things right, like the
whole terminology within the RV world.And when I went to the dealership and

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was looking, she was like,well, you don't want this. For
the same price, you could getthis big, huge Class A motor home.
And so I'm like, we torethe Class A. Of course,
it's really nice, so much moreroom. We're like, oh, this
is nice. And then the thingcomes with, okay, well we've got
this huge motor coach. Now youhave to pull your car if you want
to get around town. So nowI'm pulling something even longer. Anyways,

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we did try it on and itwas just like so much so what for
you? Click and made sense?Like why was this the right thing?
And how did you even get comfortablewith a big rink? Yeah, so
I did a trial run for threemonths. I rented an RV with one
of my best friends and we dida three month road trip a Class C.

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That's what we chose. To becauseI thought I wanted to get a
Class C as well, and ittaught me a lot and it's I would
recommend it to anybody who's considering alifestyle who has not done a lot of
RV travel because it is a totallydifferent way of being and it really showed
me that I could do it.But also that a Class C was not

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what I wanted to do, becausesimilar to your story about the motor home,
the Class C, I would findmyself being parked in a campground and
then going, oh, I wantto go out to eat dinner, but
then I have to pack up everythingbecause everything has to be really tight and
all put away. Your whole life, everything has to be put away in
order for you to move if it'sa motorized RV. So I decided I

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didn't want a motorized RV. Iwanted something that I would be able to
just detach from and leave at acampsite. I didn't want to tow another
vehicle because it just seemed to lighta lot of extra expense too to have
two motorized vehicles. So for me, I thought, well, I'll just
I don't want to be traveling everyfew days. I want to be able

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to settle in. I was reallyneed on a lot of solitude and space
for my self reflection, and Ireally like to explore an area, so
I thought that would really work outfor me. So the toe behinds,
I mean, all of the RVshave their advantages and different and disadvantages,

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so it's really a very personal decision. And the toe behinds, for me,
they don't offer you as much spacecompared to the length of your entire
rig. And then there's a lotof way that happens when you're driving on
the road. And since I wasdoing it all by myself, I just
thought, you know, try toeliminate any possible problems up front and just

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go with a fifth wheel. Andbefore I got out on the road,
I went on one. It's notreally a test drive, but my uncle
owned a flatbed like fifth wheel trailer, and so he took me out and
let me drive around a little bitand just kind of get the hang of
it. I'd towed a boat before, like a twenty foot boat, but
it's a little different than driving afifth wheel, And so that was one

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of the hardest things is knowing Iwas going out on my own. I
was gonna be alone. I wasgonna have to handle everything, and I
had never driven a fifth wheel,so and I didn't pick it up in
Florida, where I was at homebase. I actually packed up all my
stuff into a little U Haul cargotrailer, drove to Oklahoma where my RV

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was being built, unpacked it ata U Haul storage shed, waited for
my fifth wheel to be finished,and then drove my fifth wheel to the
storage shed and packed up my wholelife in there. So it was quite
the journey, yeah, I'd sayso. And I didn't realize about the
sway part with the fifth wheel,that a fifth wheel has less sway because

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for us to make that change,it's like then buying a whole new car,
and like it just seems like alot, you know, And it's
interesting and I'm curious because of thedifferent people I watch on YouTube who live
in different things, whether it bevans or buses or whatever. I don't
watch a lot of RV people,but I would think that they're similarities as

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I watch, and it seems likethe or an Overland or like Ava Zubek,
right, Like these people live inthese cars or vehicle or whatever,
and things go wrong, and itseems like the people that have these like
have some level of mechanic ability.I don't know if that's necessary, Like,
what has that been like for youon the road, especially by yourself,

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because lies people I watch are inlike a couple relationship where there's two
of them and someone is handy.Yeah, and there's even less people on
less women on the road who aredragging a trailer behind them. There's van
lifers and car campers and stuff likethat. But I actually have yet to
meet a single woman who is dragginga trailer really, but I'm sure they're

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out there. Yeah, you justhaven't met them. So yeah, it
I didn't have any mechanical ability,but I do believe that everything is figured
outable, and there are mobile RVtechts all over the country and they will
come to you in many cases.So I just figured I would cross that

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bridge when I got there. It'skind of like, you know what,
if you're car breaks down on theside of the road, you're not You're
not going to fix your car.I bought insurance, and my insurance will
tow my whole rig if something happensand it can't be repaired on site.
So you know, I did alot of research to understand what could go

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wrong, how to prepare for that, and I probably overprepared. I bought
more things than I really needed.Yeah, yeah, totally. So you
know, let me let me sharesome of the things I don't like about
this lifestyle, and I'm curious whatyour perception is like living in an RV.
So one of the things that stayingin furnished places is I love that

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we're always in a new environment.But then one of the downsides I feel
like is you never know what thebed's going to be like, or the
couch or some of the things.So like, how do you feel about
that because it's your same bed andyour same couch, But then you kind
of get bored with that on youryou know, always see the same thing
inside. I don't get bored withthe same thing inside, but there is

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still this element of the unknown.So I'm a vegetarian, and one thing
that I've noticed is you're driving allacross the country. The grocery stores that
you had at home aren't in theother places. So now you're trying to
figure out which grocery stores carry thekind of food that you want to buy.
And some of them don't carry itat all, So sometimes you just

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have to go without the things thatyou really like. And then it's you
know, every town you're trying tofigure out, all right, where where
do I go for this? Andwhere do I go for that? And
so there's a lot of research involvedthere is do you well, let me
ask you this. Then. Arethere certain things you don't like about the
RV life? Yes, So onething that I don't like is that I

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am because I also am traveling alone. I think that this is very different
when you have other people with youall the time. I've been most silly
alone for my whole trip. Forlike the last six months, I've had
someone with me. But in thebeginning, there was this kind of loneliness
that sat in even though I wasmeeting people on the road. You know,

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you're starting over in those friendships.And all of my really close friends
were in Florida, and all ofmy family was in Florida, and so
you know, you can talk tothem remotely, but it's just not the
same. So that's one of thethings that I would say is a downside.

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Another thing is just finding good enoughcell reception. So maybe you don't
have that problem because you probably haveWi Fi, great WiFi, had the
airbnds. But I live primarily innational forests, like ninety percent of the
time, I'm off grid camping,no hookups at all, and I have

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to just find a site that hasgood connection, and sometimes you just can't
find it, which means if Ireally need to do work that's internet heavy,
I have to go into town andgo to a coffee shop. And
for me, I'm kind of spoiledon quiet space, So coffee shop is
like, ah, there's so muchstuff going on visually and audibly. And

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then or you could go to thelibrary if the library's got good Wi Fi,
but it's it's just one of thosethings. It's kind of a challenge
a lot of times, you know, I don't want to go into town
and it's like eleven twenty miles intotown sometimes, you know, So there's
that. And then also for me, I move with the weather. So
because I try, I can runmy AC, but I have to run

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it off of the generator, SoI just kind of move with the weather.
And I've realized that weather is very, very different in some of these
places than it is in Florida.Arizona can be really windy and it can
just hail sometimes, Like when Ifirst got out onto the road and I

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went to Blackstaff, Arizona, andI just felt like God was just like
ripping the band aid off because Ihad like the worst thunderstorm ever. One
day I had like crazy fifty mileprour wins. One day I had hail.
This is all like in my firstweek of having RV. So it
was pretty wild. Okay, it'scrazy. That's It's interesting because I can

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relate a little bit to what you'resaying about National Forest because we're in Pisca
National Forest right now. We don'thave cell service, but we do have
excellent WiFi, and we literally Ifeel like a lot of our journey has
been very intuitively led, whether I'vebeen aware of it or not. Because
we moved in, so the peoplewho lived here before they bought the house
next door and they moved five daysbefore we came in, which we knew,

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and they got it new internet likea couple days prior, because like
this satellite internet or something became availableout here. Because prior their internet,
they said, like in the eveningsit was hit or miss, you couldn't
even send a picture to somebody,and that that would have been really challenging
for us. And like you weresaying, right now, we're twenty five
minutes into town, so if youare going to go work at a coffee

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shop, you know it's a commitmentto get there. And so it's but
we do have excellent WiFi. Sowhile I have SOS on my phone while
we're here, you know, it'swe have that. So that is something
I would think that's an advantage toliving this way. Okay, last thing,
The last thing I want to bringup before we go into like some
of the spiritual stuff and other otherlike parts of this is what about washer

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and dryer because I know some Harveyshave it and some don't, so or
you having to go to laundromats orwhat's your situation. Yeah, I have
a very small RV. I havethe smallest fifth wheel trailer that I could
find because I had never driven atrailer like this before, and I didn't
want to get a long one becausethere's a lot of places that you can't
even park a long time. SoI felt it would give me more mobility

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and just be easier for me tohandle so I do not have a washer
and dryer, I definitely go tothe laundromat. But I had my RB
built by this small, little familyowned company that has their own layouts,
like standard layouts for builds, butthen they will customize it however you want.
So I made some changes so Ihave plenty of clothes storage area,

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probably more than I need, really, and I probably only go to the
laundromat every two weeks now, Okay, okay, So what's that like?
Because this is something I've personally alwayswondered, like, because I love having
the washer and dryer in the place, so like it's hard for me to
wrap my head around like actually havingto go and sit there, which I
know lots of people do, butI just it's I like having it here

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so if the dog grows up,I can just put it straight in the
you know that kind of thing.Yeah, and I don't have any animals,
so that might change things. Ialways used my laundry matt time to
the fullest advantage that I can,right, So last time I went to
the laundry mat, it was inthe same plaza with Harbor Freight in an
auto store, and I needed stufffrom them. So in the like twenty

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five minutes that it took to dothe wash, I went and did those
errands and then I came back stuffin the dryer, took a call out
in the truck so it wouldn't beso loud, and so I just make
the best of it. That's usuallyhow it works, right, You just
make it work in this lifestyle,exactly. You've got to make a lot
of things work. So if youcan go back, how long have you

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been on the road? Now?How long have you been living this lifestyle?
Next month, it'll be two years. Oh, we have really close
anniversaries. I had a feeling becauseours was made fourth for two years,
so yeah, you'll be Yeah,you're like right behind us the same time.
That's so cool. So if youcan look back, did you have
any fears back then about getting intothis? My biggest bear was just driving
the rig. Yeah, and Ihad so much anxiety when I first driving

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it, But it really wore offpretty quickly. And I have actually had
women tell me that can I They'vethey've told me that you're such a badass.
I'm like, I'm not really sucha badass. Like it's really not
that hard, just because men arethe ones that are normally doing it.

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Doesn't mean that a woman can't doit. It's really not that hard.
Um, And I've set up thewhole system so i can handle everything myself.
I would say that I'm naturally astrong like a muscular person, and
so there are for sure some thingsthat require a lot of strength that I
think would be challenging for some women. Um, you know, like,

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but even those things, a lotof those things can be worked around.
Um. It's just kind of knowingwhere you're at, knowing your limits,
and then figuring out how to makeit work right, find this solution.
Okay, So what about now?Are there any fears now at this point,
like where you're at or what's kindof next for you? Right now,
I'm fearing monsoon season and flagstyle.Oh yeah, I've got a four

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wheel drive truck. But the mudhere is crazy. So I've been thinking
over the last few days, likeonce it hits to lie, you know,
what's it going to be like here. I've never been through a monsoon
season, so that's that's it.The weather, you know. I don't
want to be somewhere in the winterwhere you can get really bad hail winds

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can totally blow your trailer right over. There's a little crazy videos on YouTube
about semi trucks just being blown overand Marve's too wind It can be a
real problem. But I would sayI've I've had to come up across so
many fears while I've been on theroad that this lifestyle doesn't scare me so

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much. My fears are like ofa different nature. Now. Yeah,
I mean, I'm thinking back solike if I had any fears that I
was aware of, because I feellike as we go through things, it's
like it's scary in the moment,and then you kind of forget that it
was even a fear sometimes because youlearn how to transcend it pretty quickly.

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I mean, I think my bigfear overall has mostly been like fear of
the unknown. What does it allays? Like, Well, I find a
spot, you know, will itbe in my budget? Will it be
safe? Will it be like normal? Like I say normal, I don't
know, like normal things like thatthat. I quickly realized that for the
most part for me have been mostlyirrational, like it's just me overthinking things.

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And you remind me too of afear that I had in the beginning
that I don't have now, andthat is about being safe. And the
number one question that people ask meis do you have a gun? And
I have only ever run into oneperson that spooked me and nothing ever happened.
He never actually did anything, sothat might have just been in my

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head. Other than that, everyoneour beers are really friendly. Campers are
super friendly and helpful. And Ihave this hallucination now that you're actually less
safe in a city where all ofthe murders and burglaries and everything are happening
than out in a forest. Yeah. So, I mean things do happen.

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I mean people do get killed,and people do get robbed and stuff,
but the percentage of that compared towhat's going on in a city is
so different. Yeah, I would, I would have to agree to a
certain extent because I feel like,I don't know, I know, We've
been in a lot of different places, but I'm not any less safe,
for more safe, for whatever thanI was living in Saint Pete, Florida,

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Likes you know, in some places, I'm even more remote, Like
you know, some places we've stayed, nobody really locks their cars or their
homes or anything. And like yousaid, things can still happen. But
we've stayed a lot of places wherepeople are like, yeah, the keys
are there, but usually don't lockeverything, you know. It's like a
whole different vibe, you know.Yeah, And for people who are on

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this path and who are really liketuned into their intuition, if you are
following your intuition, you're going tobe so much safer. I've definitely come
into camp sites and felt to methere is a difference between fear like false
evidence appearing real, and the intuitivefeeling of near and present danger. And

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so when I get that feeling ofdanger, I leave. I don't.
I won't just force myself into thatcamp spot. I will go somewhere else.
And I think there's a lot tosafe for that. Yeah, And
since you brought up the intuition,like that was like the direction I really
wanted to dive into. Next islike, I know that you've had this
huge spiritual awakening on this huge journey, So can you share a bit about

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that, Like what has this been, Like, what have you been diving
into. I don't know what you'rewilling or not willing to share, but
I know you've been even like wehaven't talked in a while like phase to
phase. I can tell you're you'rein a different space now than last time
we talked. Yes, I am, And I would say for me,
there's been like multiple awakenings. Andthe first weakening that I had was just

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sort of an introduction to energy andintuition and all of this healing work that
goes on, not the work thatwe do when we reflect it within the
mind on our situation, but miraculoushealings and Reikie and stuff like that.
So that was my first introduction,and I went into yoga and became well.

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I went through the yoga teacher trainingmore for self healing, not because
I wanted to be a yoga teacher. And then some years went by and
back in twenty nineteen, I hadthis other awakening and that it was started
with that split with corporate and alittle bit before that split, when I

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started doing all that self reflective journalingbecause there was one thing in my life
that just escaped me. I wasable to accomplish every single goal that I
ever had, and there was thisone that I just couldn't make work,

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and that was being at the weightthat I wanted to be at and I
finally sat down and like really analyzed, what is going on here? Why
can't I just stick to being healthy? And I realized that I was distracting
myself with food and wine and manyother things busyness. I was a master

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of distraction, but when you're distractingyourself with like food and wine, no
wonder, it's hard to keep theweight off, right. So I really
started digging into that more and understandingmy feelings and what they were trying to
tell me, what needs were notbeing met, and what did I really

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want, and then doing the workto take care of my own needs,
which is self love, right.I just I had a self love deficiency.
So that was my second awakening,was to begin understanding what it really
meant to love yourself because so manypeople talk about it in like these ambiguous

(31:30):
ways. I just never got it, you know, like they'll take a
bubble bath whatever. I didn't makeany sense to me. And sure,
you know, that can be partof it, but that's not the deepest
part of it. And so Iwent really deep and it's been a real
eye opener. M. Do youfeel that being on this nomad journey has

(31:51):
helped it or do you feel likeyou still would have been able to go
through it out, you know,in a house somewhere or is there any
correlation between the two for you.Well, I knew when I went out
on this journey that it was goingto be a soul journey and that I
was going to continue because I wasdoing at that point, I was doing
like three to five hours of journalinga day, and that seems like so

(32:14):
much, but it just goes.It was going by so fast, and
I wasn't working at the time,so I had the time, and I
was just investing in myself because youknow, the weird thing about problems is
when you have a lot of problems, they just follow you around wherever you
go. And I didn't want tohave them. So I knew that the

(32:37):
problem was me. You know,everywhere I was going, the problem was
there, and so I was theone constant. So yeah, I would
say, people can still do itat home if they're in you know,
bricks and sticks, But going outon the road, I would say,
added, I guess other opportunities forme to me different people and experience different

(33:01):
things that I wouldn't have experience athome. Well, maybe I wouldn't have
maybe I would have met the samekind of people. Right, The universe
works in mysterious ways, So you'regoing to get the teacher when you're ready
for the teacher. Yeah, youknow. In last week's episode, Jay
and I were talking about this inlike, you know, a nomad adventure

(33:24):
can bring a lot of amazingness becauseyou're in lots of different situations, scenarios,
environments, different cultures, different people, different thoughts, different beliefs,
etc. And we were talking about, you know, because he talks about
nomadic mindset which is KNO M Ad C. And it really it's like

(33:45):
anybody can have a nomadic mindset becauseit's like, how can you always be
in this place of growing and learning, which you can do if you live
in an area you can still haveaccess if you're not moving around to being
on this expansive journey because like yousaid, with the universe working in all
these ways, and at the sametime, you know, how can you
either bring culture to you by meetingdifferent types of people in your area or

(34:09):
you know, like how can youjust expand and be exposed to stuff?
Because that's really the for me,my personal my personal opinion in life and
journey is like, there's nothing likegetting on the road and just being in
so many different environments because and I'vesaid this a million times. You know,
you're in northern Idaho where there's avery specific way of thinking, or

(34:30):
you can be in you know,San Francisco where there's a very opposite way
of thinking as far as the whatthe environment is, and we've just we
just kind of vibe with a lotof them. I mean, there's environments
be like better than others, ofcourse, but I also I personally enjoy
kind of hearing people's perspective, especiallywhen it's very different than mine, to

(34:53):
be like, why do they thinkthat? Like what has brought them to
this being their perspective? Now,if you staying in forests, like I
know there's the RV in the campingcommunity, Like, how has that worked
with you as you've moved around andbeen exposed to different people? Yeah,
I mean you you just meet differentpeople who are camping next to you,

(35:14):
or you know, you go tothe store and strike up a conversation or
go to a dance some kind ofyou know, community meet up something like
that, and you just meet people. But you do you raise a really
good point because I feel like Iwas a little spoiled by living in Central
Florida. It's a mecca for peopleto migrate to, so you meet all

(35:37):
sorts of different people, But thereare lots of places in the country where
the population is pretty much of thesame mindset, it seems the same culture,
rather than this melting pot of cultures, so you might be a little
bit more limited there. And theother thing that I would say about just
kind of getting out is I haveheard so many people say I was like,

(36:00):
gosh, can you you live nextto the speech? It's so amazing,
And they're like, yeah, butI never go to it. When
you are living in a place,I just find that a lot of people
take for granted what's around them.I did when I was in central Central
Florida. There's so many things,museums, I never went to gardens,

(36:21):
I never explored, just so manydifferent things, and you have no idea
who you're going to meet there,or what kind of conversations are going to
happen, or what you're going tosee or start to become interested in just
by exposing yourself to something new,which is actually really good for the brain
and especially as you age. Ithelps with cognitive function. So yeah,

(36:43):
yeah, it's it's I find myself. One of the one of the things
I like about this lifestyle is theever changing environment that we're in and from
an energetic standpoint, Like the lastplace we stay at, the energy there,
it was just very heavy, youknow. And granted we were also
living in a basement and it wasn'tdark and dingy, but like in a

(37:07):
bayroom, were like in the millarwe were in someone's like basement apartment,
so you're very much in their spaceand the layout, you know. I
just we came to this space andit was like so exciting. I was
like, oh my god, it'sso different. And I think you really
start to recognize and realize the powerof different environments. And I would say,

(37:29):
if you aren't traveling, how canyou switch up your environment in your
house? How can you get ridof things? How can you declutter?
How can you let oh of thingsthat are maybe from relationships past that no
longer have value, that are justenergetically still connected to you. How can
you rearrange your room? How canyou maybe say, like I mean,

(37:49):
I'm here in a spare bedroom that'salso an office. Well, like what
if what if it doesn't have tobe a spare bedroom. What if this
is instead, you know, aworkout room or an a wassis for you
or whatever. Like why have abed if nobody ever visits you because you're
supposed to have a bed, Like, how can you really switch up your
environment? Yeah, paint the walls. I can think of a million things
if you're not like moving around inthis way. Yeah, totally. I

(38:15):
mean I would agree with you.Like if you live in Kansas and all
you want is to be near theocean, but you can't be near the
ocean, They've got wall decals forthat. Just you know, there's you
can design a whole room that's justlike being in the ocean and play ocean
music. But the energy of yourhome is incredibly important, and decluttering is
so important because things do carry energyand they also carry memory, you know,

(38:39):
for you. So a lot ofpeople don't want to let go of
things because it causes them to remembersomething that's just sentimental to them. But
a lot of those things would actuallyserve you if you did let them go.
The picture, you know, Itell people all the time, you
don't want to let your stuff gobecause it brings up a memory, Take

(39:00):
a picture, put it in afile. I have a file. These
are things that I used to own, and if I ever want to go
look at those things, they're there. And the picture is going to bring
up the same memory as holding thething in my hand. So you bring
you bring that up. And ithad me think back to where you said

(39:21):
earlier on you went from thirty twohundred to two hundred. You know,
did do you have a storage unitwith stuff or like you have all your
stuff you just literally so the theinitial move in here, I did have
a lot of stuff at my mom'shouse. I saved basically a studio apartment
worth of stuff. And because Iwasn't sure, you know, even though

(39:42):
I did a three three month trialrun, most r vyears actually give up
this lifestyle after the first year.Wow. So because you just it's so
different, and a lot of peopleyou just can't understand what it's like until
you actually live it. You canwatch as many you to videos as you
want, but until you actually livedthis life, you can't fully get it.

(40:06):
And it's a very personal thing toyou and to what you need and
what you want. So I didthat as kind of like my backup plan
keeping that on my mom's And thenthings happened and my family, my great
or my grandmother passed away, andmy great grandmother had passed just prior to
that, and my grandmother owned thathouse. So a lot of things started

(40:30):
rushing into my mom's life, andmy mom needed more space for more like
heirloom type things, And so Iwent back in December and went through another
downsizing and got rid of almost everythingthat I had at her house. And
I think the only thing that Ireally there's just a couple of things that

(40:50):
I have to have. And ifsomething were to happen and she couldn't have
the house, I'd buy a storeunit. Right, Like the fact date
of my truck is at her house. All of my genealogy paper work and
stuff like that is at her house, but everything else could go. Yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting because we havea five by five storage back in
Tampa Bay, and originally, similarto you, we didn't keep a lot

(41:12):
of furniture like you had a studioapartment, but we kept you know,
like extra dishes and things and ablow bed and things that would be practical
had we stopped sooner to at leastget us back going and then we could
get stuff off Facebook, marketplace orfor stores or whatever. And you know,
we went back and know, wewere back there in November, and
it was like half this stuff.Now if we had a home, right,

(41:37):
Like we have a Sono system inthere, and you know, like
Jay has his guitars that we chosenot to bring along with us because it
just all the banging around. Hewanted to preserve them. So if we
had a home, that's those thingswould definitely be in the home. But
most of it, you know,like we didn't even go through everything,
but most of it's kind of likeI haven't touched it in two years,

(41:58):
what do we really need it?And the reason we did a store JUnit,
it's because we didn't have somebody's likehome or something to put it in,
so we ended up having to dothe store JUnit. And also we
almost put it in a family member'shome, but also knowing that at any
moment that family member could be likeI want this space, get it out,
and we're like, m we don'treally want to have to like rush

(42:20):
back to move our stuff. We'lljust keep it in the store JUnit.
So it's definitely you just realize andI think too living with less stuff,
because I'd be curious. We probablyhave a similar amount of things to you,
just the things we have, ormaybe different than the things you have,
because everything for us has to fitin our car. We have like

(42:40):
a Chevy Traverse, so we havea three row SUV, so everything's got
to fit back there. So wewould have different things because you already have
some of this in your RV.But like we carry like a projector and
a projector screen and we carry youknow, even here we've got all the
wrong way that way. I don'tknow how there we go. We got
lights, we got we have lights, you know, we have just different

(43:05):
things. A printer, we havedifferent things. So I mean, like
that takes up a lot of thespoon to sold our kayak because we weren't
really using it's that freed up morespace in the car. So it's just
I don't know, I'm sure it'swe probably carry a lot of the same
types, you know, amount ofstuff I would think you're just actually can
get packed in places. Yeah,I have a ton of stuff. I
don't know that it would all fitin a jurors because I mean I do

(43:28):
have a lot more space than you. Yeah, And that's one thing that
I found, and this is witha lot of people, is you have
this space and you tend to fillit up. And I have way too
much stuff on board right now becauseeven though I went through the downsizing at
my mom's, there were a lotof things like I used to have,
well, I still have actually,like this huge jewelry collection and like just

(43:52):
all of these different things that Ididn't have time to necessarily sell at my
mom. So I'm in the processof, you know, selling that and
getting things ready to sell now soI can clear more space from my RV.
And I would actually I'm actually interestedin downsizing again and going to a

(44:12):
truck camper really okay, yeah,so but that would take a lot and
I'm not sure if I'm I'm notsure when I'm going to be ready for
that step, if I'll ever beready for it. But it's definitely of
interest because it is a big rigto drag around, you know. And
when you do have a truck camper, you can still drop it off somewhere

(44:32):
if you want, but otherwise youcan get into like any parking spot in
the forest that you want. Yeah, I know, I was going to
ask you. One of the questionsI was curious is like, what's next
for gal? So you're hit intwo years, coming up here soon?
Like, what's next? Yeah,Well, it's interesting. I've been asking
myself that question actually the last coupleof days as it pertains to my nomadic

(44:58):
journey. But I have gotten veryheads down into building a personal brand and
helping other people in the way thatI feel as most aligned with me,
and so I'm doing a lot lessexploring outside and a lot more computer work,

(45:21):
and so I've been kind of wondering, like does this lifestyle really make
sense for me going forward? Likehow much longer am I going to do
this? So we'll see. It'skind of up in the air right now.
It's interesting because we have a differentperspective on that because we love this
lifestyle and we're going to continue going, and when we thought about what's next,

(45:43):
it was kind of like, well, how can we do things differently?
Because I feel like it's easy toget stuck or get comfortable in the
same types of cycles. Even thoughthere is a lot of change and moving
locations in different spots, there stillis a relative amount of things that are
similar can you can just kind ofput on on what is that called like
auto autopilot? Yeah, yeah,Kin, and we were we were kind

(46:09):
of asking like, hmm, whatwould we maybe want to do differently,
you know, as we were stayingin different types of places or different types
of towns, or is it maybethe activities that we are doing in our
spare time are different. You know, we've been exploring that and we will
eventually go international. But we dohave a senior doggie, so once he

(46:30):
crosses the doggie rainbow, that's somethingbecause then we have this little guy back
here and so he will be alot easier to fly with. But our
other guys sixty pounds, so travelingwith him. So you know, it's
interesting because I see what you're saying. We're like, as your life ebbs
and flows, you know, Solet me just kind of put throw this
out there, right. So you'relike, I don't know if this lifestyle

(46:51):
you're still exploring, So then whatif you then go, Okay, well
I'm going to go stay and furnishedplaces instead. So I ditched the RV
idea. I get the groundingness ina home. I don't know, just
curious, like would you switch styleor would you just pull out completely.
I thought about switching styles. Andthen because I'm such a whimp when it

(47:12):
comes to winter weather. You know, I'm a seventh generation Floridian, so
I've got like sunshine in my bloodand snow is like kryptonite. I like
it every once in a while.It's pretty if you go for a weekend.
Yeah, I mean it's beautiful,but it's just not a life I
really care to expose myself to along term. So I have thought about,

(47:32):
you know, staying in a placefor like three months at a time
and you know three three three,you know, or four months at a
time and moving around that way.I do believe long term that my move
is going to be into like anoff grid either community or even a single

(47:53):
homestead. I'd love to get intothat lifestyle of being more self sufficed.
Sh then I am now, butit feels like, you know, there's
there's gonna be something in between.And one wul thing about being a nomad
too is I mean, some peopleare so scared about doing it, but

(48:14):
you don't. It's not all youhave to marry it. It's not all
you have to do it forever.You can just go and do it for
a few months or a year orfive years, and then whenever the energy
shifts, like it might be shiftingfor me, now, we'll see.
Then you just change what you're doing. And one thing that I have discovered

(48:36):
is, even though I miss mypeople in Florida, I don't feel like
I'll ever really live in Florida.Gain. I'm not, you know,
gonna say it would never happen,because I do follow a spirit, but
it just doesn't feel like my place. Like and when I'm in Sedona,
Arizona, that feels like home tome. I feel like I belong there.

(48:58):
There's just something about it. Sowhen you do go nomad, one
benefit of it is that you getto discover all of these different areas,
places you'd never been to before andyou would have never thought of moving to
before. But now this whole otherrealm of opportunities and possibilities opens up before
you. So true, so true. There's a I don't know for sure

(49:22):
if it's like a modular unit orif it's like an RV build out or
a trailer. I'm not sure exactlythe proper name, but there's like a
small little campground here and I saythat because some of them have an RV
and then like they've built out anattachment to it, but everything is permanently
there, you know, nothing,Right, it's like one of those and
there's a modular or something that's forsale in this little community that's like a

(49:45):
half a mile down and it's onlyeighty five thousand, and you know,
like we're not gonna do it.But like the idea cross the mind where
it's like, huh, I don'tthink it want to. This speaks into
like it doesn't have to be permanent. It was like, would we be
willing to start, you know,jump on an opportunity like that, live
here wherever it was temporarily right,you know, living it for a bit,

(50:08):
whether it needs fixing up, don'tknow. I didn't tore it,
you know, or like get itestablished and then maybe rent it out right,
So like who's to say you couldn'tjust kind of like you said,
like you just learn about things thatare just things aren't as concrete as I
thought they were before. Yeah,well, we're all kind of sorry that

(50:28):
it's okay. We're all kind ofconditioned as children into believing that we're meant
to live a certain lifestyle, right, and we're supposed to live a certain
life. You go to school forthis many years, and then if you're
smart, you'll go to college andget um, you know, the best
paying job that you can, andthen you'll buy a house. Right.

(50:51):
Everybody buys a house, and thenthey get married and they have kids,
and they work and work and workand work, and then if you live
to retire vironment you finally get tostop and live your life. That's what
we're basically brainwashed to believe that lifeshould be like. Right, there's so
many different variations out there, it'samazing. So what words of wisdom or

(51:16):
advice would you give to somebody who'sconsidering this type of lifestyle. I would
say, you really got to knowwhy you're doing it. A lot of
people do it because they just theysee all the Instagram photos and the cool
YouTube videos and everything looks like adream life, and oh my gosh,

(51:37):
if I could just do that,everything in my life would be great.
And it becomes like sort of thisescape. They want to escape from the
life that they're living right now andgo do this other life. But and
that works for some people. Itdoes work for some people, but it
doesn't work for a lot of people, and like I said, most rbears
quit after the first year because it'sa very different kind of lifestyle. Having

(52:01):
like temporary local friends all the timeis something that a lot of people don't
handle very well, or they don'twant, you know, they want that
continuity, they want the depth thatthe in person relating provides them. So
I would say, you've got toknow why you're doing it and know what

(52:22):
you're getting into as much as possibleto do your research. Don't just you
know, have the idea and thenjust go off and do it. Like
on invold, it's very challenging.I'd say, yours is a lot less
challenging to get into. And ifI were going to talk to somebody about
this, I would say try itout first. I did the RV trial

(52:45):
run. But somebody could just aseasily do what you're doing and not have
to get rid of their whole lifein order to do it. You know,
just live out of your car,even if you're doing it for a
week and you move to just afew places, or you take off a
month or something like that, andsee if that's something that really suits you.
For me, I knew this wasgoing to be a sole journey and

(53:07):
I have always been an explorer.So and I moved around, like I
moved twenty three times by the timeI was twenty three years old. Also,
moving was something that I'm just usedto, you know, And if
I staying in one spot for toomany years, I start getting the itch
to go right. So, no, your why. If you don't have
a big why behind doing this kindof a lifestyle, you think you're just

(53:31):
going to escape your troubles by goingout onto the road, you are mistaken.
It's going to be really frustrating aftera while to realize that your trouble
just followed you where you went.If you're not doing the inner work,
yeah, then the problem is goingto just still be there. Yeah.

(53:52):
So let's talk a little bit aboutthe personal brand that you're building and how
you want to help people listen tothe call of their heart and follow their
intuition and design their own journey andhelp them. Are you wanting to help
people specifically, like with nomad stuffor like what are you wanting to do?
What is the so maybe you're alreadydoing. I actually learned about the

(54:14):
concept of a personal brand from Danco and what he is basically teaching other
people is that whatever you have donein your life is of value to others,
and it doesn't You don't have tobe an expert, like I'm not
a therapist, I'm not a professorat some university or anything. That doesn't

(54:37):
mean I can't teach. It doesn'tmean that I can't help people through their
issues. Right. You just needto know a little bit more than some
other people and be able to helpmove them along. And the personal brand
really allows you to focus on thosethings that are of most interest to you

(54:59):
to talk about and to work with. And for me, I have always
wanted to help people, and I'vealways helped people. Even when I was
in that career in corporate, Iwas doing personal development or learning about business
and success and happiness and constantly liketeaching my friends about what I was learning
or trying to tell my family aboutwhat I was learning. So it just

(55:22):
kind of came naturally to me.And what I'm focused on now is kind
of like looking at where I wasa few years ago and that whole self
left deficiency that I had, andwhat was my process for getting me here?
I work on forgiveness a ton Imean, I put in so many

(55:44):
hours on forgiveness and self reflective work, and I built a whole process and
kind of like this journal template aroundit, and it was so powerful to
me that I want to share thatwith other people because what we haven't let
go of and it doesn't mean thatthe person isn't responsible for it anymore.

(56:07):
Actually, like saying to just letgo rather than forgive, it's about you.
Forgiveness is about you and about lettinggo of all of that negativity that's
draining your life force and weighing youdown and creating toxicity in your life.
And also that could be your job, you know, it could be something

(56:30):
you're resenting someone else for. Itcould be a relationship that you have,
It could be so many different things. It's different for everyone. But so
that's what I want to sort ofstart with as helping people to let go
of the weight that they're carrying sothat they can be uplifted and tuning into

(56:50):
their heart is part of that reflectiveprocess of you know, how do I
feel, why do I feel thisway? Is this a trigger from the
past that needs to be healed,or is this something really that's happening presently
And I need to do something aboutit. Is there some unwritten boundary,
unspoken boundary that's being crossed here that'sjust not okay? And I've just been

(57:12):
putting up with it, and Ineed to do something about it because that's
what I need or have. Ialways wanted to go travel the US,
and I'm just forcing myself to stayin Kansas because that's what my parents tell
me I need to do. So, you know, listening to your heart
and then taking action is something thatjust doesn't come naturally for a lot of
people. You know, we're nottaught that in school. And I want

(57:37):
to help people with that because Ifeel like when more people have their energy
return to them and their cup isoverflowing, right, they can pour into
other people. We have a seriousissues going on around the globe right now.
There's like twenty five thousand people thatdie of starvation every day, and

(58:00):
there is an abundance of resources thatwe really this shouldn't be happening. The
fact that it's happening to me isatrocious, and it just points to the
fact that as a global collective,we don't have enough people who are operating
from their heart and heart forward,and so the more people who can come

(58:23):
back to their heart and then pourback out into the world, the greater
difference that there will be. AndI have some other ideas for that in
the future as well, but that'sthe starting point for me. I love
it. Are you going to behow like, how are you going to
be doing this as this coaching classesspeaking like is what are you wanting?
Journals? Like what do you whatis the format? What is the vehicle

(58:46):
here we go? What is thevehicle going to be driving? In our
vehicles? So it's something that Ithink you you know, Abraham Hicks,
Right, there's a great analogy ofout like, you know, you're going
to California, but when you getonto like Google Maps and you put in

(59:07):
the directions to La, Google Mapsdoesn't give you every single direction of how
you're going to get to La.It gives you the next turn. It's
like it's giving you the next bestaction to take. And then if you
don't take that turn, it reroutesyou, you know, make a U
turn, you know. And soI have really had to surrender in my

(59:30):
life the house of all of thisand just be comfortable in the discomfort of
the unknown and just kind of getused to the fact that I don't know
what the whole journey is, andeven if I did have a plan,
the universe is probably going to changeit. So right now, right now,

(59:52):
what I'm working on is actually buildinga journey, and I'm not sure
if the format will be like anemail course or if it's going to be
a workbook or both, but itwill have the option of a guidance along
the way if somebody gets stuck orthey just want to talk. I don't.

(01:00:15):
It's kind of like coaching, butnot because for me, this deep
work is not about getting to,you know, some goal. It's not
like corporate. It requires a certaingentleness and that's something that's kind of hard
to find out there. You know, you can find it and your friends,

(01:00:35):
but as a service if you havefriends like that, and a lot
of people don't, right, theydon't have the tribe. So that's what
I want to offer to people.And speaking may also come. There's so
many different things that could come outof it, but I'm just kind of
like taking the next best step.Yeah, and even some things that just
dropped in whether you do them ornot as conslutive to you, but just

(01:00:58):
you know, like a little miniretreat, whether or be online or in
person, because then you can facilitateand give the space to dive into those
things and demonstrate what it could belike to be different and not be so
go, go, go, let'shit this goal where it gives space to
breathe, you know, And Iactually I could totally see you doing this.

(01:01:20):
Is I just went through someone's freeonline three day many retreat, and
I'm sure she had things on theback end that she used, but as
far as like a consumer, itwas an hour fifteen each day that led
us through an experience, and Ipersonally was shocked at how powerful it was
because so many people marketing and thisretreat and jump into my summit. I'm

(01:01:43):
just so like, huh about allof that. But I knew she was
spiritual, and I was already drawnto her because the way I'm choosing people
and things it's very different than Idid in the past, but I still
have some like whatever, this isbullshit type thing. So I jumped into
her a three day retreat and Iwas like, oh wow, that was
actually pretty profound, and that wasjust like the free experience, and I

(01:02:06):
didn't have to be there because she'sbased out of Amsterdam. You know,
she probably recorded it a year agoand here I am. You know,
so I just it really help helpedme to understand, like, wow,
like you said, there are peopleout there who are doing things like what
you're talking about, what we're talkingabout, but like where do you find
them? Right? Yeah, Imean they come into your awareness when you

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need them, right. And soI'm on Twitter all the time now.
And it's funny because I have abackground in product development and product management,
right, and so like these corefundamentals of creating a new product, like
no, your target audience, andlike there's so many different things. And
sure, I have my target audiencelined up who I feel like I'm speaking

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to, But then when I goon Twitter and talk about these things,
there are a lot of people thatpop in that I did not expect.
And so I am allowing my ideasto be more expansive and inclusive than what
my original idea was and just tryingto fit into that box because I thought

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that was the best thing to do. Right. Yeah, totally makes sense.
So if someone is like I loveApril, I love what's going on,
and they want to continue on thisjourney, with you where. I
mean, you mentioned Twitter, butlike, is that the only place where
you hanging out? Other places orwhat do you got going? On?
Twitter is my main place right now? You can find me at Twitter at

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the April Renee and I think it'sdown there at the bottom of the screen.
I will have a website coming soonand then probably a newsletter, either
newsletter or email course okay coming afterthat. So if they go to my
profile on Twitter, I have mylink tree there so they can see,

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like how to reach out to meother ways? Cool, Hey, I
love that. I love that,and I'm not on Twitter, So do
you know your link tree off thetop of your head? Like what slashes?
I'm not trying to put you onthe spot, but I was like,
oh, what if I don't knowhow to get to you on Twitter
because I don't have Twitter. Iam the April Renee on link tree as

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well. Let me the April It'slink tree slash April dot sumner and it's
Sumner with an N with an end. My parents were not cruel enough to
name me a month and a season, so a lot of people get tricked
by that one. And then ifyou want to if you want to go

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to my website. Now. Ido have just a splash page for that.
It's coming soon, but you cansign up at the April Renee dot
com and then I will send anemail once the website actually launches, and
then there'll be more information to comefrom there. Oh cute. I was
pulling it up as you were saying, So, yeah, we've got that.
Let's see we pop back over tothe screen, got the link tree

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on there, and let me addthis. So the April Renee Rene's with
two ease, so for anybody listeningon the podcast, and then I'll throw
it up on the screen for likethe video portion of it. So cool.
Is there anything else that you wantto share that you feel like we
maybe didn't cover, like a lastpartying, Like anything that you feel like

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is like on your heart that youwant to share before we close up.
One thing that I was thinking aboutprior to coming on is just one of
one of my biggest lessons through myspiritual journey is that ignoring your feelings doesn't
make things easier in the long run. It always comes back around, and
it may be subtle and hiding underneathlike it was for me. I was

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so numb to things I didn't realizelike what was going on. But it's
so important to take care of yourfeelings as they come up, or as
soon as you can and before toomuch momentum gets going with it. You
know, if you stay in atoxic situation for a day, that's a
different thing than staying in it forseven years. So so do the work.

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Yeah, that's beautiful. I'm sograteful that you took the time because
i know when we were scheduling this, you're like, well, if i've
got good service, I'm in wewill make it work. So I'm glad
that you had the time and youwere able to pull away from the forest
to come hang out with all ofus. Yeah, you're really welcome.
It was great being here. I'mstill in the forest inside. That's awesome.

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