Actor Paul Fitzgerald: From Guiding Light and Younger to Netflix’s new series The Residence

Listen to my conversation with the talented Paul Fitzgerald currently starring in the Netflix series, The Residence.

Fans will remember Paul from his time playing Reva’s (Kim Zimmer) trusted cancer doctor, Dr. Colin McCabe, on Guiding Light. Don't miss a surprise visit from Kim herself.

During our chat, Paul revisited his time on the show and dive into highlights from his incredible career, including his role as David Miller on Younger (one of my personal favorite series!) and his exciting new role in the Netflix hit series, The Residence where he plays the President of the United States. 

Beyond TV, Paul has shined on the big screen in films like The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Arbitrage. He’s also made his mark on stage in the Broadway production of Noises Off as Garry LeJeune.

Don’t miss this fascinating conversation as we celebrate Paul’s journey through film, television, and theater. 

Episode Transcript

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Happy to have you here with me in the locker room today. I'm Alan Locker. My guest is the talented
Paul Fitzgerald, an actor, filmmaker, and educator with an impressive career across television,
film, and theater. Fans of Gotting Light will remember him as Dr. Colin McCabe, Reva's trusted
cancer doctor, and since then he's taken out on standout roles, including Sutton Foster's

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husband David Miller on Younger, and currently as James Bingham in Power Book 3 raising Canaan.
Paul has also had recurring roles in Mrs. Fletcher, Globe the American Fortwork Empire,
and the role of Richard Henry Lee in the acclaimed HBO mini-series John Adams. He is set to star
as President Perry Morgan in the highly anticipated Netflix Shondaland series The Residence,

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which premieres March 20. Beyond acting, he's an accomplished filmmaker whose directorial debut
forgiven premiered at Sundance, and he's deeply involved in rehabilitation through the arts,
bringing theater to correctional facilities. Please help me welcome Paul Fitzgerald to the locker room.

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Hey Paul. Hey, hey, Alan, it's so good to be here. Thank you so much for having me on.
So good to see you my friend. I mean, I wanted to have you many months ago, and then when I reached out
again, I told my husband and I literally started Younger about three weeks ago, and we are already on
the last season. I fell in love with that show, so happy that year. That's fantastic.

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Great. It's so good to be here. So good to be here. Well, let's talk about the residents, which
premieres next month. Tell us about your role as president, and being in a Shondaland series.
So much to say. So little time, but you know, just from my plug, it's a month from today,

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March 20th. Oh right. It is one month from today. Very fortuitous timing, but yeah. What was the most
recent sort of thing? I was talking to someone from, oh, I was doing simplicity for Shondaland,
and we were just joking how much fun it was just being in Shondaland. I was like, well, maybe in Shondaland,

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she could be the queen, and I'll just be the prime minister in the world. I'm new, but I'm not. I'm
the president in this just fantastically screw ball kind of murder mystery called the residents,
which is for the executive residents of the White House takes place in the White House.
Murder mystery in the White House. Sort of who done it? Someone, someone who works in the White

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House shows up dead on the second floor of the residence, the executive residence on the night
of big state dinner, and it's a sort of fabulous all compressed in one night who done it, you know,
during a state dinner trying to figure out kind of a lockdown situation. Very much like, you know,
a kind of classic agatha Christie sort of situation where it's like everyone has to stay in the room
because, you know, everyone's a suspect type thing. And yeah, I play the president. I mean, I think

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I haven't done a deep dive in this, but I think the first, what I have penned, I feel like I should
trademark this before I let out what I call Gapotus, which is the first gay president in the United States.
And the series. Oh, yeah, so that's a drop that you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's so,
y'all, I didn't realize that that was a reveal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, and it's, you know,

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whatever, this show has consumed the last like third of my life. So I have so much to say about it
and all of it positive, but it's a little overwhelming just because we, it's an eight episode thing,
but we, I think it's almost just sort of like part of Hollywood, lower at this point. We shot

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four episodes back in 2023. And then we, and then the, and then the act of strike, the sag strike
fell in the middle of our shooting. So we paused after four episodes, took seven months off.
We're about to come back to shoot to finish the series the last four episodes and are beloved

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second, you know, on the call sheet, Uzo Aduba. God bless her is the detective detective cup,
the number one, but Andre Browar was was one of the stars of our show. He passed away literally,
you know, a month before we were about to come back and start filming again. So here we are in
in the weird position of coming back filming the last four episodes and, you know, the pivotal

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person in our cast passed away. And he was recast with the, you know, sublime,
John Carly, Esposito. But anyways, we got back in 2024, shot the last four episodes of the series
and then had to go back and reshoot the stuff in the first four episodes that Andre was in with
John Carly and finished finally in May of 2024. And now here we are for a set to come on a month

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for now. I mean, it would have been come and gone by now if we had finished it sort of, you know,
as it was imagined before the strike and for everything at that. So it's, I was
real seeing Uzo's name and and John Carly, Esposito loved them, but I mean, I did not realize Andre was
there. I loved homicide. I adored him in Brooklyn 99 phenomenal generational talent. I mean,

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you know, you're someone who appreciates this space and I'm someone who appreciates is that,
you know, even being in as an actor, but he's someone who truly just sort of talk about a generational
talent, someone who's just, who I just everyone of our era coming up, you know, he's just a few years,
really just a few years older than me. I mean, I think he was 60 when he passed and and just someone
who was universally revered and loved. I mean, they just happened to people you can say that about

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this business really, people are honest. And yeah, he was just loved and and I will always cherish
the fact that, you know, for those four episodes, at least, I got a chance to hang out with him a
little bit. No one's been to him for some, I'd work with him. And so I know it's, yeah.
Well, I assume you got to work with Shonda herself. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. She, so

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and I just as a as a hyphenate myself as a as a writer and in at least one time director, I definitely
feel a sense of obligation to make sure everyone gets there. They're just just desserts, you know,
because the fact matters like Shonda's Shonda Shonda like she it is Shonda Land she is she sets the

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tone. She is the the umbrella organization, the executive producer, the executive producing entity
as her company. She's the tops. The fact matters, this show was written from the very first letter
on the page to the very last on an episode by a guy named Paul Davies. And Paul Davies was a writer

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on a series of Shonda shows. I think he was on Scandal and maybe we the people maybe he created we the
people I'm remiss to say I don't remember his exact record, but the bottom line is like even though
it's a Shonda show and we all embrace in that love that like the fact matters like this show in
terms of what it is and what is written is this by the sky Paul Davies this guy. I mean, he's a
superstar. He's actually a spirit like he every word that he wrote is this pieces of masterpiece,

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but you know, he was in the the Shonda Land world as a writer and then you know, had this
this idea for a series and but it's just to be give desserts where they where they do he wrote he
wrote it. She was there at the beginning, but I think a credit to her. I mean, I don't know how it's
the first Shonda show. I've been on it. I don't know how they all run, but like she definitely was there

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for the table reads at the beginning and then it was sort of like good luck you guys like, you know,
I think she had a sort of a hands-off approach which is really beautiful because you know, she
Shonda so she could be there every second, you know, micro managing everything, but she wasn't. She
really let Paul take the helm and he did and and so she I love her for that. She set the tone at the very
beginning, which was that one of the most pivotal moments honestly in my entire, you know, 106 year

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career. Were you a fan of her programming? Yeah, a total fan of her programming and had heard that,
you know, I mean, listen, it's public knowledge. Like there was a bunch of Michigas on Grey's Anatomy
behind the scenes and cast and different crazy things and stuff like that and whatever things have

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happened over the course of the years and her shows like what I will take away forever when I tell
everyone when I talk about the shows and the table read when it's like a, you know, airplane hanger
studio of like this is a huge cast of 120 some odd people, enormous group people there and she stood up
and along with Mary Howard who was, you know, one of the produced on the show as well and they set

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the tone and said three things which I, I was a peak, I think it's worth repeating it and it made such
impression on me. She said, we're so happy to have you here. Here's the deal. Meanwhile, this is a show
too that just and I, whatever I just got lucky lighting strike sometimes like this to show that everyone
in show business wanted to be in like it was, you know, it's a new genre of the show is the residence,
the White House, the sex, Netflix, everyone, I felt like I got away with something. I don't know

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how I, how I, how I laid it up there, but like I'm never forgetting saying there and they stood up and
said there are three things that will happen if you want to stay in the show. You'll be on time
which is fair enough. You will say the word has written which isn't always the case. Somebody will
play a little fast and loose with the writing sometimes in TV as opposed to like a theatrical production.
So you will say the words and the most important thing you will be kind. You will be kind to every

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single person on the call sheet from the very bottom to the very top and whatever. How do you imagine it
you know top to bottom, you will be kind and if you do not adhere to those three principles,
unfortunately, you will, you won't be here very, very long and and I can tell you as someone who
really has been in the business for a long time and worked in a lot of different like spaces and
incarnations and things like I've never heard that speech and and it it it it it it moved me and

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touched me in a very, very deep way and so like no matter what else happens in my career like I got to
sort of see the best of what you know can be done in this business because the ethic behind it
was really beautiful and I think what's come out the back end in terms of what will be on Netflix
in a month now. I cannot wait. I think that's incredible at a time like we're in right now kindness

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matters. It goes along long. That's the thing. It really was like you just it's it's a currency that
you don't you just don't hear I mean I think back like 9/11 when like news I would say like news anchors
talked about love like they said words that you never hear like in the public space and you don't
hear a kind of kind of kind of what are you talking about kindness but it's like you know she had the

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audacity to be like this is a currency for us this is me this is a meaningful principle for us and
you will adhere to it or unfortunately like you just won't be a part of this this family and it's like
and honestly God I'm again like I just I've never worked on a production or anything that there
was so much kindness and so much love and so much goodwill and so much grace you know towards everyone

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up and down up again up and out the call sheet side like you know there was no so anyways I
could go on I will have to hear that before we move on say the acronym again you are the first
Gapotus the first gay president of the United States man that's amazing that's amazing how did
the role of Dr. Colin McCabe come or come about on guiding light you know another like really

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touched by an angel moment in my life there is listen this is my first time on the show I got
bounced with you like if you want to cut me off like just cut me off because like once a bit
ask you question that's like fun for me like I'll definitely can talk so like don't be shot to be like
like I don't know if there's like no worry um how did it go on going uh it one of my favorite

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people in this whole business Rob Ducina uh was it right and I mean this is not
this thing's happened really like you know ultimately and uh man memory I want to say Rob
lost anyways like he was somewhere Rob was elsewhere before he was at the cashier after
for guiding light at the beginning of my career and I just remember I want to say he was with Mark
Sacks or one of the sort of iconic cash directors at the beginning of my career and I remember him

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and he was so great to me um and just like one of the one of the good ones at which there are a lot
but like he just it was a wonderful creative collaborator as a cash director early on in my career
and um ensure enough you know I mean early on at this point I'm I end up doing that 2000
I came up I was when it was two six or seven or eight or so like that so you know I'd been at it for

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that point seven or eight years but whatever it seemed like at that time it seemed like Rob has
seen it from way back when but anyways at that point he was a guiding light and he approached my agent
and said hey we have this role I've always been a fan of Paul's um I'm putting words into his mouth
I think that's what he said whatever it was like uh well you know would he would he be interested
in so forth so they they came to us and and um you know and also the fact that he was he was

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you know behind it was meant something to me um and then I went in and met with um Alan Wheeler who
again someone who had just like you know I mean like someone who's like an angel in my show business
life like I'm never forget sitting in her corner office in the building on you know the C best
building on 57th whatever and and just being like uh her talking me through what what the vision

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was for the role the whole thing and um I'd never done a soap um you know at this point I was in my
mid 30s or or on the way on the way on the on the back half on the way to 40 grew up I'm general
hospital but never go up on general hospital and so like really had a soft spot for so but really
other than that hadn't watched them hadn't um I hadn't sort of like had had you know and after I got

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into them I realized like oh this was a great training ground when I just got out of school
like but I at this point I was already you know I actually just this I had a directive film that
had just been in Sundance and I'd had a I'd been you know out in the world like doing it for for
seven or six or seven eight years at that point so it was an it was an unusual time in the sense that like
I didn't start out sort of in this sort of like the soap you know path um but I was intrigued by

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because I just I thought like like why not you know I'm I've sort of always been someone who's like
like open to whatever experience and and also sort of the laws of attraction if there's someone
attracted you will want you like go here with them to say you know so that's how good and then you
were you know paired with the cream of the crop I mean it doesn't get any better than this human

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being sitting here right here like when I tell you like I mean it doesn't right it doesn't I mean
she really is like I'm oh no your your patient wanted to say hello

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I've like I've been taken advantage of I wasn't warned about this I was like this is your life
like it's actually in case you're gonna like jump out of the thing or something like that like
I was about to say all these things about you know I'm so glad you like in front of me Alan such
it has such good time it would have been embarrassing if I'd let if I if he'd let you go on and on

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and on about you know you were about to be embarrassed because I was about to say like I was gonna say
like I'll you know like this is your life like desert island this like if you get a three three
albums on island with you if you get three people three actors I was like Kim's in man like
and stories about you in someone joy and I was like and I knew that you'd come up I was like well what

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am I gonna say I'm gonna say like well she's really the top three and I'll let the other two are
of people who I like and cover work with my tongue I can't believe you're on cheers come on cheers
the lures I feel like we're having cocktails here I'm still hanging on to some non-alcoholic
dry January so this is a non-alcoholic wide but it's it's pretty good oh my god I can't be

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about like private story here I did dry January and because I needed a lot of dry I was like I'll take
it into February and then I was like I made it through February and then I was like you know what I'm
ready to have a cocktail this started this might be the first cocktail I've had a long time
well cheers it looks good what's going on sorry I have to like an old person looking

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to listen to you you know go on and on and on about yourself yeah I'm gonna just tell you I don't
get out very often I was like listening to you I was like I don't think he ever he's ever talked
that much we had the best time together though didn't we we had I'm gonna tell you like just we

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laughed too much though we did we did get the giggles alive I think if the this thing Alan like just
because I'm honored to do but really is it got me back in the headspace of remembering working on
guy like with Kim and just like that it's exactly what I was thinking I was thinking if someone
asked me like Alan like what was like with Kim I was like I feel like you know the expression like
I peed in my pants or she I was like I've never worked so hard like irresponsibly where I was like

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I'm so sorry whatever but you know you you are a very funny man but well you're very funny one
it's a thing that exists in the abstract exists in relationship to each other like like and
that's always like how I think you for me as of some as a natural one comedian like I love people
based on whether we we're funny together and like when we met and we started and you made me laugh

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and I made you laugh I was like well this is a match made to happen with we can do anything
together you were his met darling we were kids I mean and I think of that I think like I left oh my god
oh my god you didn't you didn't have to wear one of those suits Travis Quoppel I called it I'm
gonna say it right now that's amazing I just had to look it up the other day amazing call

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the time I to buddy from my hometown Lynchburg, Virginia who was a NASCAR phase like that's Travis
Quoppel so I was an odd name I was always remembered Travis Quoppel Kim I'm obsessed I can't believe
you're here my friend Alan was Alan's called me a couple times for some things and when he called
me said I've got Paul Fitzgerald I was like I'm in and Paul had just you know we talked backstage he

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heard about the art imitating life oh yes yes he yeah so bizarre right I mean I'm hurt I'm hurt that
you didn't call me to to take a to take a listen to your breasts like my dad is a retired physician
I can remember one time I was like I mean I think I was I don't know I was doing a bit I was like

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listening to the cancer to his death and my dad's like you don't use my cancer I was like I know man
it's TV yeah yeah everything it's it's all good though and I'm I'm not a big old you know
don't do any more I've got well I've got this big bulky sweater on now but I've got really nice
little Seacup Tatas now and they're kind of perfect we on the other side of the mountain

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of the mountain so to speak I go we are the on the other side of the yes yes I have my first year
check up and and all my numbers were good and so yeah yeah I mean I couldn't like I literally have as
well as I said it was backstage like when I was talking to Anna I was like when I went I did a
little dive into this space and then I saw like the breast cancer I was like oh we're talking about

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the show or the real life like turns out I'm so sorry but also like like just like back then like
I'm sure you told breast cancer to fuck off if this is the worst thing that happens to me I'm a very
lucky girl you know I I survived and I'm better for it and I came also talked about the importance of

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her family the doctors oh my god yeah oh my god yeah I just have it's so important I mean this
this isn't a cancer segment but as I said it's so important to have a support group when you're
going through something like this and I just I had the best support group I have four fabulous
girlfriends that are within 10 minutes of me I have my children AC my husband was was my god

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sand I mean he he would prepare four different meals for me for me to go oh I'll take the rice
I'll take the bland white rice and she's got like an army of grandchildren who make her quite happy
yes oh my god I mean you know I mean of course you've got people around you who love you because like

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you just you just there's so much love in you like I mean the fact that you would have that kind
of support but I mean and God bless people who don't you know but like I was saying now I got
a an actress friend of mine who just you know is on the other side of it as well and like right
different playing like but it's like you know and it's it's interesting it's like well when I think
back now it's like I think everyone and we're she now very very close but like everyone's trying to

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figure out like how do you show up for the person you know what's like like like how do you do it
without over exactly exactly they're like it's tough for you then it is for us right you know I mean
we're going through it yes but yeah like you said for people you can feel the people who were
uncomfortable with not really knowing you know so I tried to make it as comfortable for them as I

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could I tried to find the most humor out of it but so yeah well and you and you would yeah yeah but I
just I'm so I'm just so thrilled to see you and hear all of your successes and well and I want
to read you what Bernie just wrote he said Kim kicked cancer in the ass now get that ass back on

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stage and screen best mom arose ever well oh Kim is going on stage from March 26th to April 6th at
theater rally in the trip to Boundonville are you excited I am I'm I'm I got such a neck ache and I

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think it's because all of my stress is gone to my neck because we again as with regional theater
we have a very short rehearsal period yeah and it's a big script and and I'm getting older
I don't feel like I have any trouble but Kimmy like I and I mean listen I'm not gonna lie if you

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search my history on my computer like I was like I was like what the fuck is Kim's in
I'm gonna up to it like you did wicked for like a whole thing like oh yeah I was I did that for
almost off and on for three years all the dates yeah you're forced of nature you know what to be
fucked with sorry so much fun and again just had way too much fun and I think that's why Joe

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Montello has never asked me to do the Broadway show because he would get reports you know from the
stage manager well he she and D Rossi only cracked up on stage again which which which happened you
know we would try to do the upstage the minute she'd turn up stage to laugh I'd be like gone or
vice versa I mean it was I mean if I mean if you can't laugh I mean we laugh so much on

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guiding light when when I think of like importance is like me just like point of love on Ellen like
I'm sure she was like the people that control both are like who these two fucking clouds like
why do we hire a fixture like he's coming here like fucked up the professional environment the entire
thing like I'll I remember just be like we got to be quiet we got to do this we got to look at me please
don't look at me I'm like I'm looking my ear you know I mean like I never laugh I've never laughed so

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hard as I as I did well and it and it helped that we had Jordan Clark with us too on several locations
that was you know he he liked to have some fun too so we had it we had a good good true and I
mean I've got again Alan just like looking back at the thing I said Robert like you think like such a
just a company of like wonderful wonderful you know you know like well I'm gonna check out the

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residents check it out right doesn't it sounds great well the the what you call it the goddess
goddess the goiter the goiter the first game it's the goiter it's the goiter let's go with you're the
growth that's growing out of the side of the hashtag goiter hashtag you can't wait when does it when

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does it start airing today March 20 good okay yeah well I love you thank you Alan for calling me
and Paul I love you so much and I'm held ideal I'm you have no idea it was it was such a wonderful
flash from the past when Alan said I got Paul Fitzgerald I was like oh my god yeah like Paul who

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I love you I love you guys get back to it I love you more back and love you thanks thanks Alan see
back oh Alan you are you you're you're good at this man that was impressive that was really something
in you enjoyed that I'm enjoyed it so deeply and I really like you know obviously

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in preparation for this I was it made me I was reflecting on on that time you know and sort of like
it's such a I mean whatever there's like so many things happening at that moment in my life for
for those years I was doing that and and but I just you know mostly it was just like such love for
her like she was she was my main relationship in that thing and and as an actor that's kind of
what you're you know how you're grounded you know in an experience and and and totally unique like

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I've never you know it's to do an eight episode show or recurrence it's different to be like to step
into something is a 70 year long thing like guiding light be like oh god this is trained this train
with it only eight episodes oh Jesus no I did like um yeah you did longer than that oh no eight
episodes of of the residents I was saying like you mean like yeah yeah yeah like but it was still

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in comparison a short time since since we're on guiding light and just the impact I wanted to
read Lee Siegel is a fan of guiding light at fan of the locker room she said she told me a story
that in 2010 where 2011 she took her son to see Harry Potter in New York City she got so excited

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that she could not control herself for the second half of the show when you were sitting in front of
them she literally jumped over the seat to go meet you and you were so nice and took a picture with
her son Nolan and herself do you remember that at all I'm gonna be honest
what's her name Lee Lee here's what I remember I remember this here's the here's the

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here's the discrepancy I don't think it was Harry Potter I think it was Frankenstein and I'm not
sure it was Frankenstein but I think it was Frankenstein but I remember it and you know I remember
Alan because God bless it is Lee thank you if she's watching thank you that was a sweet
thing you can watch later she's having a girls night here's what I want to tell you first of all

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if you check the the the dates I don't think Harry Potter and my like yeah I I didn't think that
is funny when she wrote Harry Potter to me I didn't think Harry Potter started on Broadway back then
you you are it wasn't Harry Potter it was Frankenstein and the reason why I remember this I think it was
Frankenstein but I remember the show I remember the moment and the reason one of the reasons why I

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remember it first of all so honored and so appreciate you having done that Lee but was hilarious about
it is that whenever she she jumps over I was sitting I was sitting standing up in Katie Kirk I'm all
fucking thing and so Katie Kirk thinking like oh someone's whatever and like Lee grabs me and I it

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was like one of the most beautiful months I was like sorry Katie like it was this is Mummuk Katie
was like well I don't know who this dude is but like apparently he that she wants to like I have
such a specific recollection of that moment so I absolutely remember it and I want to thank you
that was so sweet I don't think it was Harry Potter but that's the only discrepancy I have with
the whole story yeah it's funny because she did say Katie yep sitting next to my brother and love

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as Katie Kirk it's one of them I remember like it was yesterday I just remember because the
look of Katie's face was like who the hell are you that is amazing one of the other fans FYI says
is there our first husband in the new series the absolute is my name is Perry president Perry Morgan
Elliott Morgan is my husband and he is played by the utterly sublime Barrett Fowah who a deep dive into

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New York Broadway scene and people would remember Avenue Q he was like the second
tour for the lead in you know phenomenal phenomenal and then like 12 years on in Sarri S Los Angeles
he's had a great career and he is as total sweetheart he plays my husband yes oh I love that love

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that well let's go back Lynchburg Virginia you you were born though in New York City but grew up really
in Virginia right I did totally I mean my dad my folks are actually New Yorkers my mom grew up in
or was from originally from Buffalo area and then my dad was from Long Island my dad went to
medical school in the city and so I was born in St. Vincent's which my rest of the city I totally

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oh wow yeah now right down in the village and then and then literally six months after I was born
he finished his medical residency and joined a guy from the from up there from New York who had
gone out to this I mean it's the whole story is crazy like that to Virginia Lynchburg Virginia
and so he and he just was you know pressionally like thought like I don't I don't I want to raise

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kids in a or family in a smaller town and so I mean literally it was like like like Palm like
somewhere in Florida somewhere else in like Virginia it was totally random they have no connection
but it turned out to be a real blessing like I I love being raised in Virginia I love Virginia I love
sort of being from there you know I didn't realize the complicated nature of Lynchburg at the time

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there was a little we call Liberty Baptist College and this little like sort of like a Poe
dog preacher named Jerry Falwell who no one gave much talk to the dance with you like my dad I mean
to be very honest like they were family fans my dad was their physician and some it would grow up
like being invited to Falwell family you know Christmas party and something like that like and it
was a small town like you know it was smaller and then the Jorgon Out that has grown into Liberty

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University and Jerry Jr. and all this craziness and not to throw one of the bus because you know
he's he's kind of a family friend as well like I mean but whatever so Lynchburg Lynchburg no one knew
about when I was growing up other than the odd odd oddity of it being called Lynch and people
like oh that seems like a weird thing but but other than that I'm proud and love being from my little

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southern town of Lynchburg and yeah and where did the love of the arcs begin you know there's a
man named Jim Ackley who is this iconic you know acting to acting teacher from from from my high
school we had a very weird very esteemed and renowned kind of high school acting program I can think

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I can say that Connie Britain came from our program Faith Prince came from a big fan of
Miss Big fan of Miss Britain so you know all from our little town of Lynchburg Virginia
EC Glass High School but there was a guy named James James James Ackley who you know was just that
like it's hard to sort of harness like the importance individual people playing in life that way like he

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identified me as as a talent I guess you know from the community he also was involved in
a community theater but he brought me into the high school program and I was he just he's he's the
reason why I am who I am like and he he created a kind of I mean here we are you know in the in the
80s in the in the in the in the small relatively small southern town of Virginia and he just he made

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being in theater you know I haven't watched Glear whatever these different shows up but I'm sure
there's a version of South they're like it's just like it was it was it was okay to be in theater it
was okay to be a theater you know there was a queerness to it so to speak as we say now but like
but he made it okay somehow I played football as well as a football star rock or state championship
football team as well you know but like it was okay to kind of like express yourself as a theater

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person as well and and he made that okay and he made that a cool thing to to be and do and and
you know I think this is like anything you're growing a the sapling or tree like you need nurturing
and protection at the beginning of the thing you know and I key created a safe space for that thing
in me to take root where I was like this is my home this is what I want to do and I can only imagine

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in the sun some other auspices it would not have happened I wouldn't you know I wouldn't have wound
up here so anyways well what was your first row in high school do you remember well um
I mean a first row in high school was probably um a play called um dark at the top of the stairs

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a William Inge play maybe um but it's funny I don't think about that I think about really like my
starting show business is like um uh uh uh uh oh Henry play called the ransom or red chief which was
you know sort of uh uh uh uh I guess the children's play but that was at the community theater when
I was eight years old and and you know our community theater and our high school theater were all

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kind of like interconnected but um those are that that's the thing that got me into it and then
you know doing Oliver and other summer theater shows and then um and then eventually uh
getting to high school and I think dark at the top of the stairs this William Inge play was my
my my my first thing yeah incredible and then you went to north western and yeah north western and

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you know that was my sort of formative experience was like that um but did you study theater there
because I know you got your MFA in San Diego yeah yeah no I went to north western with theater and study
with Frank Galati and um my acting professor David Downes and you know in the whole sort of like um
you know that whole north western there's a Chicago's scene of looking glass and David

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Swimmer and all the sort of folks who came out of that sort of north western um thing um and you know
I like I would say north western was the formative space for me and then I got my master's at the
Old Globe in San Diego which was another Jack O'Brien and Richard Easton and Rick Cere like a
lot of really formative people as well who kind of shaped me I may not been an embarrassment of

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Richmond riches in terms of people who have like helped me out and figured help me figure out
like how to be an actor in my life you know when you think back is it the high school teacher are
there some teachers in college as well who had that same impact you know Jim Ackley my high school
teacher Frank Galati um who's recently passed who was um a kind of pivotal figure my you know college

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boyfriend um and one of the great figures about Jason Moore um who actually totally coincidentally
direct to Avenue Q um but he was he was kind of a very formative uh creative partner in my early
years in college you know and so forth um so you know those those folks Jack O'Brien was a really

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you know really formative figure in my life as well um when I went to when I was at San Diego you
know he was he was the artist director of the Old Globe before he left that post so I've had kind of
you know um a pantheon of like of of figures who are kind of you know big big time characters in the

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space I think you know who have influenced me you know I've been very blessed you know I mean they
really they they can change a young person's trajectory in such enormous ways yeah totally um
yeah and and and I and I'm I'm so grateful for um you know at any given moment like um things can

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uh things can go south you know and people can take advantage of like you know it's a it's a very
tenuous sort of like dynamic as a creative person or in those spaces as young as a young person
particularly like you know developing when your sexuality is involved or different things like
people can take advantage you know and I just was blessed to have like um a bunch of people in my life

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who just who just um who who shepherded me you know through this of of not only self-realization
and development but also artistic sort of realization you know it's interesting because I it I you
know people mentioned mentors and teachers but yeah mentioning a boyfriend who had that kind of

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impact too totally I mean like a young age too well for sure and he's definitely you know in the um
the Mount Rushmore you know of my because he you know we because we were our our loves you know
like was was was was was part and parcel like a creative like we wrote we adapted a a novel together

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that he directed and I was in and like so you know our our sort of you know um the creativity sort of
yeah the creativity was was was the child like you know I mean like it was the thing that we
had yeah you know very much was I mean we created this great play and um uh and and but also just
recognized you know him as a as an artistic sort of um companion and and uh yeah no I mean Jason

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Jason is very and you know Chris he's gone on to have a great grin so he's and we're so very close
and but he's he's he's definitely on the Mount Rushmore of my like formative figures in my life you
know I love that I love that well as I told you backstage you know my husband and I started
younger about three weeks ago and there there was your hands and face popping up on the screen

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as Sutton Foster's husband um first of all it's amazing you know I had wanted to watch it all along
I I was working at a TV and movie tour company when younger was on TV land and actually partnered
with TV land we actually uh I don't know if you started around New York we actually worked with

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TV land to decorate one of our buses with the younger for season four. Oh absolutely for sure yeah
yeah so we we worked with them and I just never caught it um I love that you know we got to see it yeah
I never really yeah I never tuned in and then you know people were saying you know it was on Netflix

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and it really just made us feel good like every moment we just loved every character I just thought
it was a delight it was like what you needed and I love shows kind of like Ships Creek that were like
22 minutes that just make you feel good for those entire 22 minutes. That's so well I mean it's so

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eloquently said honestly and that I think that is and I think that's a tribute to I mean everyone
in the show but I give we're honest like Darren Star like he's he's he has a kind of beautiful
ethic and ethos as well I mean I was talking about the shonda you know of it but like you know it
you don't get that kind of product from kind of like dirtiness on the on the back end like it's

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hard to you know everything doesn't have to be utopia but like you just don't you don't get
something that kind of like loving to experience by someone who's you know and so I think I give
a lot of credit to Darren Star I mean Sutton's a beautiful human being. Did you know Sutton prior to
no I mean do I know I mean yeah like oh my god you know I love thoroughly and automatically and

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you know what I was like me too me too but who's ever been on the American is you know brought
by stage but um no so I was just like I was knocked out of my socks I was like oh my god I have to be
Sutton's you know husband slash you know like baby daddy eventually matricling the ex-husband
but I think that you know that yeah I resisted you whatever so yeah I mean I adore her and everyone

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involved in that project so I'm not surprised that shits week such a great example I just you know
my friend Mary Katharine Garrison was in and and Bridgett ever as well like dear friends of somebody
somewhere I just just washing that as well. That's a similar thing right it's like there's so much
love poured in that like this it must be a lot of love emanating out from the people in it and I

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think that's that's true as well you know somebody somewhere was oh I do the chills on me right now yeah
and they ended it beautifully oh did it beautifully um did you realize um the impact of younger I mean
now like the resurgence is incredible on Netflix well I mean it's one of the beautiful things to

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live long enough in this business to have this kind of like um asymmetrical streaming reality you
know sort of you know I've got nieces I don't know what the the various like demographic plots are but
I mean I've got nieces who are in there um you know 25 26 27 or their friend group I mean you know

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and I don't need to tell you the show was was a long I feel like it was ages ago but like they're like
you're a younger like no shit man I've been a younger for like I was in that kind of like why are you
like like you know what I mean that's the beauty of things living kind of forever yeah in these catalogues
like wherever they be whatever streaming services and people are like I just you know but I mean

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to tell you the way in which things heat up and cool off I my my there's not a day that goes by
at someone somewhere in my contacts who has my phone ever it doesn't be like I just like said
be a screenshot I mean a younger I'm like young like I was younger I that was forever I was like
I'm like that is bizarre because it's not like yeah that is so different than well the way I mean

(43:03):
here's you who worked on it who's still just like but it just it's the beauty of like you know
things find their find their time and they exist sort of in perpetuity apparently and so it's
it's great you know like I mean maybe you know 15 years now people like you were to show
couple residents I'm like no shit man that was on in 2005 but you know absolutely but kind of

(43:24):
perfect that younger just started while you know right around the time that the residents is coming to
me I mean let's I'll take it it's great I love it yeah are you a big TV watcher I'm not I mean
I try to be but I still go to fun I mean I think there's a lot of people out there myself who like
just because I hear you here anecdotally like that you like you sit down I'd be like I want to

(43:45):
find a show and you you stream through you know you're different streaming platforms and whatever and I
I so yeah I mean when I I guess the answer was like I want to be more of one I just have a hard time
at finding shows that I really you know love you know yeah yeah it's hard it's it's weird with all the

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sort of algorithmic magic out there and like this show is recommended for you whatever it's like
I have a hard time finding things are really injured but when I do like I'm I'm as I'm as much
of banger as anyone like I'll I'll stay I mean this one got us we we just could not stop it was like
we put every other show aside for younger really yeah we I don't know what it was I mean I think it's

(44:31):
just like you know he really loved Hillary you know I love everybody everybody was great
you um I I don't never seen you've never seen it I've never seen it no no I've never seen it
I'm I don't I don't tend to watch yourself I'm all forever you know what I mean but um but yeah
I've never seen it but I just I love the people enjoying it makes me there is a actress and I don't

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know her name who who well first of all Miriam Shore who is I mean I knew Miriam before that show
and I love Miriam Miriam is like one of the greats of the like one of the great and you know I don't
know if you know this but Peter Herman cloned Kim Zimmer Riva on guiding light no no way seriously

(45:19):
yes he was hurt he was the doctor who cloned Riva on guiding light conversation wish I'd had with
Peter yeah Robert Newman you know when Riva was supposedly dead yeah yeah yeah found I don't
remember exactly but found you know Pete the doctor I mean listen this is a deep dive in show business

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but like that connectivity of like and then I worked with that like the crazy thing about this
the resident like is a similarly deep dive with the residents is that I did noises off on Broadway
in 2002 or 2002 I think with Jane Curtain so there was there was a revival of noises off that

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actually I mean the original so Pat and the poem was in it and a whole lot of stuff has that
or I and so that was like and then and then they replaced the entire cast and we're gonna
re up for no so and so Jane Curtain replaced Pat and the poem I think Tom McCarthy played my role
anyways I was in this cast of noises off on Broadway in 2002 and I played Gary LeJune and she

(46:35):
played Dottie who if you know the noises off have a sort of secret romance it gets revealed the
second act so here's me and Jane Jane Curtain as boyfriend and girlfriend Jane Curtain plays my mother
in law in the residence she plays my my gay husbands mother who hates me every time we just as a as a

(46:56):
spoiler every time you cut to Jane Curtain in the in the resident she's like she's like basically
talking shit about her son's husband who is me the president of the United States so I just I kind
of feel like you know the Peter Hartman like if you drew a six degrees of you know so that's amazing
Jane Curtain doing a series yay so I mean you can't we can't there's not enough life to get Jane Curtain

(47:21):
in I mean wow well and here's I my first New York City apartment was her daughter from Kate
and Allie I sublet Allison Smith's apartment in New York City Allison Smith yeah the Allison
thing do you know Allison Smith well I mean I know I'll I'll take you one better Allison Smith was the

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the second Annie in the course yeah I saw I saw her as Annie so Allison Smith to me is Annie I don't
know about West Wing or your sublet or Jane Curtain I I remember Allison Smith from like you know you
think you go to see Andrew McCartle you're like Allison Smith you're like oh my god the
squares yeah yeah totally for sure for sure was Annie Allison Smith played her daughter in

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Kate and Allie I didn't know that but I do love some Allison Smith she's the best the best that's
amazing I love that yeah me too she that's a good talk about your role on your person how
knows the second fucking Annie was on Broadway that's I can tell you I mean that's a theater nerd
right there but that's yeah I mean she she was a talented woman yeah and and funny yeah I worked at

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a health club in college Allison was sort of the guest star they hired for our annual party and she
came and sang many years before I sublet her apartment it's not I have a picture with her like I was
probably 18 or 19 years old oh my god that's fantastic yeah crazy crazy tell us about your role on

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the stars series you know so the show is called Raising Canaan and it's part of the the stars
series is power yeah and then and then ghost and then raising I didn't realize are they all
connected they're all connected I think and I think they're all kind of like different elements of
the story and prequels and I think raising canaan is like a prequel of the original so they it's

(49:24):
the characters and the original franchise like in the 90s and so forth but I mean really beautiful
like intense storytelling I did for I don't even know where I can I lose to I don't know with
how many seasons I did of it four or five three I can't remember but but it's a it's a it
and like a just a fantastic cast the characters and just a really intense like I don't really compare

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to the wire because the wire is like one of my I think my favorite shows of all time but it started
it yeah I did you really oh my god oh jeez talk about Benjing yeah I mean the wire is like again
in the sort of Mount Rushmore TV shows but but the power you know is a very complicated very intense
very dramatic story and you know whatever again it's one of those things where it's like you get this

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job it starts and then it and then four seasons later whatever it is you're like oh I'm still doing
this I'm still working yeah yeah and it's and it's yeah I just I feel lucky to have been a part of it
I think it's one of the good ones you know well power was one of the most popular stars series I
think wasn't it yeah I mean it's been a drug and I mean you know 50 cent was like the executive

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who created it and and then they just they've spun it off there's like a fourth and maybe a fifth
and so you know like different part of franchise so you know it's always good to be part of a
franchise you know that's good and and I know you said that the residence is a episode but I assume
there's the possibility of it returning I think it will return I mean I think you know I think that's

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sort of the way things are trending I mean what that will look like I don't know but you know
like everything in this business like you just hold it with an open hand I mean it was an incredibly
beautiful experience I've you know I was saying I don't know if Kim so watch I've never worked with a
cast of people who who who who I who I've just been so in awe of and enamored up like it was a really

(51:24):
peak experience for me if it goes on great if it doesn't it's it's been wonderful but like really
sort of beautiful hilarious people and just like kind of a clinic and comedy you know just a lot
a lot of people who I've admired over the years and just sort of find yourself in a in a room with
them acting as you know pinching yourself yeah yeah sure I can only imagine well you you've also

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you know I had guest roles on so many you know amazing crime time series like this glow
in order bullish cargo uh Chicago mad V boardwork empire do you have a favorite of those guest roles
yeah I mean the V-Thing was again a couple season thing or like four or five things and um you know
again I mean I'm a real journeyman and I've done a lot of stuff and you know I certainly I'm

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unfortunate I've been able to be in a dramatic space or in a in a comedic space but like you know
similar to the residents like working on VEEP um from me to work on a show that that I as an audience member
was enamored up or sort of an awe of and then you know like I think I remember I think I feel like

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it was maybe season three of VEEP so I'd already watched VEEP for a couple seasons and it's just the
weird nature of being a journeyman actor it's like here I am like just an audience member like anyone
else I'm like this is the greatest funnest show and then I'll suddenly like oh wait I'm I'm going
to be on it and then you step into it it's a very it's a very surreal thing and so to step into um
you know in Julia is just uh you know she's she's one of the greats of all time obviously and

(53:00):
and honestly like you know Tony that the whole everyone in that and that show is kind of like a
greatest hits album and so to step into that and work on it um and define yourself on this very fast
moving train you know what you're trying to sort of try to try to pretend like you belong there
really um and and and and I and and I think that is an instance I don't think I'm speaking out of school

(53:22):
here when I say the like the role that I played I think initially was written for like one episode
and I just went there and I was just like well I'm gonna take some big swings and take some chances you
know what I mean and if it doesn't go well this will probably be the end of the of my of my time here
but it went well and they're like hey we love him to come back I'm gonna have to go back and watch
because you know it's been a while I don't recognize you immediately but I you I mean

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it's a good year this doofus congressman who who presumes to think that he you know he should
throw his hat and rank for the month from presidents when when season three when she started
from from president and I go you know fantastically for me um there's a my first scene that I shot on
V of the of the episodes that I shot is like at a at a at a at a at a debate at like a new

(54:09):
Hampshire college and it's Julia on stage another actor who I've really horrible I can't believe is
and Isaiah Whitlock and Randall Park and me and like Isaiah and Randall me are all in the
residence like it turns out to be people who you know who I would be you know
dated to work with again six degrees it just came back yeah that's amazing I love that you

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you know you talked about forgiven tell us um the story you wrote it you directed it you started it
um it was directing something you always had in mind to do no and I had a and I have a very you
know conflictive relationship with it I mean I would say that like you know forgiven was um the

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beginning of what has been in sort of a continuation of work in the um you know criminal justice
space writ largely um I I had a story about a wrongful conviction uh that I wanted to write
that was sort of pulled you know a little bit torn from the headlines in terms of like real life
and so forth um going on back in their early arts or really the turn of the century between uh you know

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2000-2001-2002 about all these wrongful these guys that they discovered on death row who are
who are wrongfully convicted and you know um and so um I got interested in writing that as a sort of
a piece to kind of like animate that story um and you know I directed it just really kind of like
procociously and presumptuously because I was like I wanted the story that I wrote I feel very

(55:43):
comfortable as a writer and that's something that kind of comes naturally but I was like I wanted
the story that I wrote to be um you know realized on screen the way that I envisioned my head so I sort
of did a quick study of like how to how to direct a movie and that's really a function of like a great
cinematographer and producer but I thought but like as it I don't I don't come to directing uh certainly not

(56:04):
for film or in media naturally you know I'm like I don't love like um so it was it was hard um I did it
to serve the story that I wrote but it's but it's only thing I've I've directed a short as well but
anyways but I've directed on stage through this organization RTA rehabilitation to the arts in
prison and some of that so I like to I mean I'm the else you know I as I kept reading that

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when you're a thing that I know who who does um something like that um what where did you get
interested in the the criminal justice thing well you know I had a friend who I grew up with
Lynchburg who who spent 20 years in the correctional system down in Virginia uh for like drug charges and
and he was the guy I grew up with and was one of my closest friends and so I had exposure to

(56:50):
prisons and being in the criminal justice and that wasn't like justice impacted in my own I mean
I was after annoying him but you know so it gave me an exposure to that space and that reality
that really stuck with me and it was a 20-year period it was and and so and then I just think I was
tuned into like issues about our criminal justice system because of him and because of that

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experience and that led to the writing of forgiven and doing that and then some years later you know
I got involved with rehabilitation to the arts which is the organization that is uh depicted in
Singsing the you know picture movie was called Ming knows is nominated for and so forth so you know
it's a very esteemed established organization around for like almost 30 years and the Hudson Valley

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and a bunch of prisons here so um you know I've just had this reoccurring um interest and compulsion
to kind of like be in that space um for you know um a mere two reasons but really because like I was
exposed to unexpectedly in a very relatively young age you know well it is amazing I have a dear
family friend who's a lawyer who uh works for the Tennessee Innocence Project who has gotten

(58:02):
you know people who have been wrongly accused and yeah basically in prison for like
you know three decades and then I have been released uh it's astounding to to hear the stories um
Colton just said I loved Paul's episode of Law and Order SVU I love you Paul

(58:23):
thank you Colton I don't know what it is I'm I'm older enough that I've got three episodes of that over
and they make you wait six years in between episodes so that's like of course over the course of 18
in 20 years but you know I'm I'm afraid to even talk about which one he loves but like whatever
you're also producing a documentary about what you do right yeah I'm working on a documentary called

(58:46):
the pen which is about um I uh co-directed a play called Thoughts of a Color Man which is on Broadway
back to 2021 and we recently uh produced it up in Green Haven correctional where I work with RTA and
and I am one of the producers of a documentary sort of um about that experience and uh and so forth
so we're and that will be probably out next year so yeah well you'll have to come back I will be

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that well this leads to my next question but Colton said it's the one where you play by guy
yes indeed you know I totally appreciate that that's the one he's talking about uh yeah which I think
it's really beautiful that he characterizes that that way because um it's a guy who's I think if I

(59:31):
recall correctly it was many years ago was married and has steps out and has a you know relationship
with someone uh elicitly and and and doesn't go well and so it's awesome but you know the presumption
like oh he's a closet gay guy you know would be the normal presumption but uh but uh very progressive
Colton to characterize that yeah absolutely well I think progressive for you as well because in 2011

(59:56):
you were on the cover of by social magazines debut and edition as part of the I am visible campaign
um what you know talk about your decision to do that um you know people 2011 seems you know
quite a few 14 years ago for that conversation I listen that's the perspective I'm also appreciative

(01:00:20):
of now because like it like I didn't uh it's true uh it's less of a conversation now but but
14 years ago or whatever it was like um it was a it it was a conversation and I don't think I
I don't I don't appreciate the fact that like I was stepping into that I was like well of course
I mean I've I've identified as by and thought of myself as by like you know for my pretty much my

(01:00:44):
whole adult life from you know for at this point I'm so old like 30 years sort of from my mid 20s
or whatever you know I mean um when I when I sort of like owned all that and um and so I was looking
for different avenues and outlets and ways to to be visible and to be out and and to um you know
to to create a sense of um solidarity with other people it's it's a very naturally

(01:01:09):
invisible space you know because um you know I'm I'm married to
as little calling me um I and and and so it's like you know if you're a by person is with a man then
there's a presumption of being gay if you're a by person is with boom there's no way straight

(01:01:30):
whatever so um I just felt like you know articulating and owning the space you know of your identity
was important and this group approached me and said hey would you um you know would you would
would you get involved with our campaign and I mean you know my answer is always yes to visibility
like I mean that's visibility's life visibility is like I'm here you know like like don't um don't

(01:01:53):
ignore I mean I think you know um there's an existential um terror to being sort of like not seen
or being like oh you you don't exist you know so yeah well I think you know people need to to see us to
to to understand that there's you know whether it's a black person or Jewish person you know
you know all of that um yeah I am Jewish I am gay and I talk about those things here because

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yeah I am 58 and at the you know when I came out there was nobody on any type of show discussing
these conversations for sure yeah yeah no I appreciate it I think that like you just can't
it's unfortunate because because of a no but you just can't do it enough because like here we go
in waves right you think like oh that's done that's the past thing and then you get to where we're at

(01:02:44):
now you are like oh you have to keep showing up um and and in claiming the space you know otherwise
like it's just I don't know like a sandcastle or something like the waves will come in just wash away
you know you know they're trying to put us sort of back in the closet in some ways right now yeah
yeah yeah yeah not gonna happen but it's something that sadly is you know and I think you know you

(01:03:08):
mentioned Glee it's funny I did watch it and I watched every episode because I would have dreamed of
having a show like that when I was coming out wasn't great at the time at you know towards the end
of the series and my husband sort of tuned out but I was like you know what it's just what they're
the message that they're portraying is so neat and I yeah exactly it's imperfect right I mean it's

(01:03:31):
I can't doesn't have to be the the perfect and you're not gonna represent I mean I would say like
you know like Will and Grace is one of the first things I ever auditioned for as an actor in my entire
life and it's like wow Will and Grace like split the like the Adam like it's an imperfect or
but like if there was like one idea of like a gay character up before Will and Grace you know which

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was like flouncing whatever and then there was like this too now there's like Jack and Will there's
like this straight you know I mean like they split the Adam and two and and and and you can't sort
of overstate what a big deal that was to say to represent two different time oh my god there's not
just one way to represent gay and then from there you go on to represent and then you represent

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the shades of of fluidity and bisexuality and now we got the trends like they just sort of like
you you open up the conversation to the naturally occurring you know varieties of of nuance and
and the grace space that that actually exists in nature as opposed to like this or that or black
or white or whatever and that's that's a good thing but unfortunately or whatever I just think you

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have to keep keep talking you know we just keep keep having conversations um you're a month out so
is there gonna be a lot of press for this I think so yeah I mean um there will be I mean it's
Netflix is time to land it's um you know I um I think we're on a complicated time I mean we're

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it's a show in the White House you know what I mean and and I it is and it gave president yeah
and I think the White House is in Washington is a is a a conflicted space you know um yeah
they you know it's like where did you film um we shot out Raleigh Studios in Los Angeles you know I
mean they digital world these days is insane well look at the images now they've created so I mean

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I think they did all the exteriors as well I mean everything I don't think we did anything in
NDC that I'm aware of so um yeah but I yeah I hope that people um you know that they that they're
open to it because it's like was it's super fun and just super sexy on it and its own terms but it's
it's it's in a space that is complicated right now some people don't want to think about Washington

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they don't think about the White House they'll hear the presidency you have a you have a cast people
want we'll want to tune in for you I hope so I hope so well I will be tuning in my friend
I will be tuning in for sure I mean as much as I don't want to pay attention to anything down there
yeah that I I can escape and have some laughs I hope it's that I hope it's that for everyone so yeah

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thank you so much absolutely so good to see you Paul stay here as I sign off thank you so much
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