June 25, 2024 • 58 mins
Daytime TV royalty gather to honor a legend! Join us for a special tribute to the unforgettable Marj Dusay.
We’ll celebrate her incredible career with heartwarming memories shared by her friends and former co-stars, Vincent Irizarry, Ron Raines, and Nicholas Walker. Vincent played her son on both All My Children and Guiding Light, Ron played her brother on Guiding Light and Nicholas played her son Trey Clegg on Capitol.
Get ready for behind-the-scenes stories, hilarious anecdotes, and a touching look at Marj’s life and legacy.
We’ll celebrate her incredible career with heartwarming memories shared by her friends and former co-stars, Vincent Irizarry, Ron Raines, and Nicholas Walker. Vincent played her son on both All My Children and Guiding Light, Ron played her brother on Guiding Light and Nicholas played her son Trey Clegg on Capitol.
Get ready for behind-the-scenes stories, hilarious anecdotes, and a touching look at Marj’s life and legacy.
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Hi, everyone.
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Thank you for joining me in the locker room.
I'm Alan Locker.
Today we are paying tribute to the unforgettable, the talented, and the very missed Marge, do
say.
We lost Marge at the age of 83 on January 28, 2020, and this tribute is long overdue.
Marge's career and daytime began 41 years ago last month when she made her debut on
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Capitol, playing the powerful Washington DC, matriarch, Merner, Klaig.
She moved over to Santa Barbara in 1987 to play Pamela Capwell, Conrad, then over the days
of our lives to fill in for Vivian Alamane, and in August of 1993, she moved to Springfield
taking over the role of Alexandra Spalding from Beverly McKinsey on Guiding Light.
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She played this role on and off until the end of the series in 2009, but also during
that time she originated the role of the Nessive Bennett on All My Children from 1999 to 2002.
In addition to her roles in daytime, Marge had several roles in film and on primetime television,
working opposite Elvis Presley in Clambeke, playing the role of Blair Warner's mother Monica
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on the Facts of Life, and an alien on the cult classic Star Trek to name a very small
few.
Marge's real-life daughter, Deborah Blocker and Marge's friends and on-screen family are
here to share their memories of this magnificent lady.
Vincent E. Rosari had the unique opportunity to play her son not only once, but twice, both
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on All My Children in Guiding Light.
Ron Reigns played her brother on Guiding Light, and Nicholas Walker was also her son on Capitol.
Please help me welcome to the locker room, Deborah Blocker, Vincent E. Rosari, Nicholas
Walker, and Ron Reigns will be here shortly.
Hello, everybody.
Hey, everybody.
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Hi.
Hi.
Wonderful to see you all.
Same here.
You know, the fans, you know, your mom, Deborah, made an indelible mark in their memories.
I'd love to hear from you about the Marge.
We didn't know.
Your mom, you know, what was she like at home?
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Well, at home, what was she like?
She was amazing.
She was my mother most of all.
She was a brilliantly committed mother.
My brother and I always knew that no matter what we were loved, there was none of this show
of his mom's stuff going on.
She was there for us.
Family mattered.
She made sure we went back home to Russell Kansas every year in the summers.
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We first moved to LA because she wanted us to have a real, you know, grounding and be involved
with our family.
We were always with her.
Whatever she did, we were first in her mind.
And she was fun.
And for me, she was my idol.
You know, I have an amazing father too, but my mother, I knew I was going to do this.
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My mother raised my brother and I basically by herself.
And that's tough.
We have two teenage kids in Los Angeles who, when you've got a full time career going on.
And we always knew we were loved.
There was never any doubt that we were absolutely loved.
And if she needed to put her fist down, she goes, "Listen, you guys are going into Westwood?
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For the weekend, you're going to go there for the night.
You'd be back here by a lovely beam or I'm calling the cops, I swear to God."
And she knew she meant it.
So we had to be home.
We had to be, you know, and she always made sure we were taken care of.
And it really was a very colorful life.
I feel so blessed in that I got to live so many aspects of life.
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We moved a lot.
We traveled.
We did things.
She gave my brother and I incredible opportunities that we wouldn't, you know, never had if we hadn't
been with March.
But she really was fun and exciting and interesting.
And best of all, I loved her sense of humor.
She had a great, as the guys know, she had a great sense of humor.
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And I got to say, she loved her leading men.
She done guys.
She loved Guy Energy, you know, that was a thing for her.
I just think she felt in her element.
She was extremely independent and funny.
And I looked up to her because she was so independent.
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And somehow she made everything work.
I don't know how she did it, but my brother and I'd be going, "Mom, you can't do that."
She goes, "Well, just have to do that or that."
It would be fine.
You know, she was that kind of a lady.
And it was very glamorous too, but she was not a diva type.
Well, she was not.
She was not a glamorous.
She was very down to earth, you know.
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We all were very true.
Very true.
Very true.
Very true.
I think some of those photos you sent Deborah and we'll have a little montage at the end.
George Anderson the fourth.
Thank you so much for doing this.
I miss my Aunt Marge so much, but I know my daddy and her are telling the greatest
family stories for eternity.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
George, yeah, he's my cousin-in-law.
Okay.
I don't know if that's it.
Yeah.
Vincent and Nicholas, were you aware of who Marge was before you had the luck
of working opposite her?
Well, I'll let you Nicholas go first because you worked with her first on Capitol.
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Yeah, I mean.
So she came into Capitol what I call under duress because Carol Jones from the Adams family
played the original Mernick leg.
And that was a powerhouse woman as well.
And there was different iterations of different people trying to capture that role.
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And it was interesting for me as an actor to go through different iterations of the Mernick
and then Marge showed up and we had an audition for the network CBS and we had the scene
and we just clicked and it was John Convoy, the executive producer and creator of Capitol
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looked at me after the scene and we both smile.
We did finally we have the Mernick.
So that was a very interesting process for me as a young actor.
I was in my 20s and what was great about her because she's never, I think,
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did daytime except Capitol was the first show that she did.
At first, she always looked at me and said, "How do I do this?"
I'm so surprised to see signs they changed the lines.
I now use that as a March just, you know, have fun.
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You'll be fine.
And it was an interesting rock and roll bumpy road but at the end, she looked at me and said,
"My God, I think I got it."
I love that.
Well let's take a look at you in Marge and Action.
Okay.
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And I'm sitting down and I just tell me what this latest crisis is all about.
Your father of course, his pension, having sort of a little affair, a fair amount, I'm not
there.
You and me, I decide to have keyed on your wives someday.
I hope this is going to be a lesson for you.
No, wait a second, you just leave me, honestly.
Well you're both already in it.
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You and me.
Up to your royal conniving little neck.
And that's why I'm side you're here.
I just had to bring the house to bring Sam over here to face the music.
So you just prepare yourselves for a showdown.
Oh, thanks a lot Mernick.
It's about time that we got to the bottom of this whole sorted mess once and for all.
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So you just forget who side you've been on up to now.
Whatever lies or covered stories you've told your father or to me.
You said, "Well past history, there's a whole new deal now."
And I am going to...
She certainly made Merner her own.
Oh she did.
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And I will never forget the John Combo I looked at me and went, "Yeah."
And it was a very hard...
Carolyn Jones was dying and still showed up to work.
And she was so impactful in that first year.
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So it was like, "How do we ever replace that?"
And I think that's why we went through different iterations.
But when Marge came in with that...
I think it's that panache and a sense of humor underneath that glamour that hooked us all.
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And beyond all that, she never took it too seriously and always liked to poke fun.
And that's why we had such a great time together all the time.
I was thinking of that, Deborah, when you're talking about your mom was so fun.
I knew these guys knew her.
I wish the fans could have seen a little more of that.
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Merner was a stern character Alexander.
You know, Vanessa Bennett.
I mean, it wasn't the fun side that you all really got to see.
I think this is Marge's sister, right, Kathy Dunn?
Yes.
Kathy's watching.
And she says, "Hi to all of you watching.
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This is a beautiful tribute for Marge and it brings tears to my eyes."
I miss her so much.
Yeah, Kathy was really involved with everything in Marge and helping Marge along too.
Vincent, you know, listening to Nicholas, you know, here he is talking about Marge taking
over, you know, for Carol and I just think of what Marge was able to do coming to guiding
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light for that first time.
Absolutely.
But yeah, you asked first if I knew who she was and I had absolutely no opportunity prior
to working with her as Alexandra.
But I certainly knew who she was.
Years earlier, when Capitol was on, I was at one point dating Capitol and Hickland and she
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talked always about her.
She kept talking about her wonder because she was and just her coming on in replacement
and how brilliant she was and coming in.
And I can honestly say when she came in to replace Beverly McKenzie, that was probably one of
the more difficult replacements I can imagine for anybody in that without question because
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Beverly McKenzie was an icon.
She was a force of nature.
And six months after she chose to leave the show, they were like, "We need to bring back
Alexandra."
And we were like, "Wow, who's he going to bring?"
And when they brought in Vanessa, Vanessa, Marge, Vanessa and Alexandra brought her in.
She was equally a force of nature right away.
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She was fantastic.
She just, it was seamless.
She made it her own and I was just so impressed with working with her.
And you know, she had those elements of, yes, she had the dramatic, but she also had the
comedic that was there even working with her as Vanessa when she was the most sinister
or psychotic when she was.
That character was a bit psychotic.
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You always had a sense of humor about it too.
And it was wonderful to watch.
She was delicious to watch.
She had so many levels.
I had such a wonderful experience working with her on two different shows.
I remember when they were casting Vanessa.
And I went down to Judy Wilson, who was casting director on the show.
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And I asked who they were considering.
They just had taped several people.
And she brought up a Marge.
And I'm like, they loved her.
And I said, oh, that's fantastic.
Marge is brilliant.
She could absolutely do this role.
And I said she played my mother on guiding light.
And she first said, oh, I hope that's going to be okay.
That she was your mother and another show.
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And I'm like, this is one big, reputory company.
Instead of she's the right person, don't let that go.
And I don't think she needed Judy Wilson was brilliant.
She absolutely didn't need me to push that along, but that was just what I felt and shared
with her immediately.
And they went with her because she was the best one for that role.
And she just created such-- and for me, for my character, for David Hayward, that chain
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that brought my character to another level as well.
Because the relationship they wrote between my mother and with him, I just loved working
with Marge.
She was just-- you never knew what you were going to get.
She had this quirkiness about her, you know, from moment to moment.
And it was beautiful.
She had this little-- like under this lap that you would have, like in the middle of a
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line or something.
She would just-- and it was very subtle.
It was like, really?
Like this was something.
And it was in the middle of like, no, they're going, oh, okay.
And I just loved it.
I loved it.
I loved it.
I loved working with Marge.
She was brilliant.
She really was.
Well, I wanted to read two comments from fans.
Patrick Newell said, in the immortal words spoken by Marge on her first couple of episodes
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of GL, Aunt Alex's Back, and Man Was She.
I loved Marge and her take on Alexandra's folder.
She was a powerhouse actress and always delivered in her performances of Alex.
She's shined to the end of her performances after Alan's death.
She was absolutely brilliant.
And Kayla said again, I said she absolutely was.
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She was.
And Kayla said I was reluctant to like at first being a diehard Beverly fan, but when she choked
the hell out of Alan's folding, she won me over.
And I was happy she kept the role going after Beverly.
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Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't think there was any other actress.
I can't imagine even as talented as all these great many actresses are in that medium
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and surrounding it.
I can't imagine anybody coming and doing the job that Marge did.
I just can't.
She was fantastic.
She was brilliant.
And it really wasn't easy at all because fans were so hooked on Beverly.
So that just makes it even harder.
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Thankfully, I think it was a combination of who Marge was in the writing for her return
without question.
And I made it here she is with Allison Janie, and I'm blanking on the other young woman,
but they were phenomenal these three.
Yeah, they were.
They were.
They were.
I miss me.
I ran into Allison Janie in a TV academy event years ago and went up to her and she was
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wonderful.
She was great.
And she reminded her because she was recurring on that show.
And she came in and she would do a few scenes one day and then it was like three months later
another one.
Yeah, she was hardly on that at all, but every time she came on, I loved watching what she
and the other actress were doing.
I was like, it's so great together.
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They had this comedic quality about them that they were wonderful and with Marge.
Fantastic.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, let's take a look at you Vincent.
I can't tell you how sorry.
I mean, I was feeling under the weather.
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You know that.
I wanted to stay at home.
I didn't want to inflict myself.
Don't, don't.
Okay.
You're not sick and I'm not stupid.
You just didn't want to go to the engagement party.
That's all.
Okay, I understand.
I understand what you saw was very upsetting.
You were hit by a tree.
And after all you've done trying to fat juggle, family obligations and your obligations to
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Mende, you have a right to expect more of you.
Get it.
Don't you get it.
It has nothing to do with obligations towards Melinda.
I love her Alexandra.
I'm asking her to be my wife.
I know that.
I know that.
Do you really?
Because you act like she's some kind of a nuisance, some beat or on my road back to you.
Well, listen, no.
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Darling, I want you to live your own life.
I do.
And anyone you would choose to marry any girl I would welcome with the opening guards.
Any girl except this one.
This is the one.
Any girl but this one.
Any girl but this one.
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Here's our Vanessa.
Hello, David.
Why are you here?
Out of concern, of course.
You don't expect me to believe that you're actually an emotional distress about Erica.
My concern is about you, dear.
Do you remember the article you wrote for the New England Digest of Medicine?
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I've written many articles for that publication.
Yes, and I've read many of your articles too.
But this one was about six years ago.
You said that any doctor who became emotionally involved with his patients' recovery lost
40% of his effect source to some effect like that.
I don't look so shocked, darling.
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I do read things other than the fashion magazines and the gossip columns.
And I am your mother.
I do keep up.
I just noticed that the person captioned it as David and Erica.
Oh, did it say that?
It's not in the corner.
It might have been a longer scene there.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
As well.
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Did you both hit it off with March from the beginning?
I did absolutely.
And both of those performance roles without question.
Yeah.
And seeing literally I was like, finally, you know, here we are.
It was instantaneous.
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And I just hear her incredible sense of humor.
Yeah.
I said I had heard about her.
And I'd seen some scenes of hers on Capitol.
We don't have the opportunity where we're working on these shows to watch a lot of shows.
We just don't.
But I had seen some of her work before.
So when she was coming on as Alexandra, I confident in it.
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I knew that it was going to be a herculean effort to do that, to replace Beverly.
But she came in and I was very happy to have somebody come in to try to recreate that role.
And she just like I said, it was seamless.
She really was fantastic right from the get go.
So and I know it was also and I do remember this and I'm I hope it's okay to bring this up to Deborah.
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I know passing of your brother.
Yeah.
What that was when she was playing Alexandra.
And that was a very difficult time for her.
Obviously.
And you know, but she she didn't falter at all in her work.
As a performer, as a professional.
But I could see it.
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It was weighing on her evidently.
It was obvious that it would.
So it was a very difficult time during the time when you back when you brought the past.
And I'm sorry for their loss as well.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And she had she had both sister supporting her, but she had her kind of a right hand hand man in Mary Anne her sister.
Yeah.
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And she had a lot of things with her and Mary Anne was flying back and forth with her.
The hospital.
I was trying to remember that.
Right.
Doing everything.
Yeah.
She was she was Marges Rock and it's interesting because Randy I remember he had flown to New York.
I think it was maybe it was the guiding light role.
Maybe it wasn't the Alexandra role.
But in 93, I think she got that that role.
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And it was strange because we knew he was ill.
We knew he was going to pass in those days.
You passed of eights.
And he was in New York with her and he was going over.
She told me he went over the lines with her and he told her one line just a way to say it.
And she said, oh my god, it just made all the difference.
You know, when she went into the audition, she felt so confident.
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And I was I was actually six months pregnant when Randy passed.
So Marge had just gotten the show and I have my daughter coming.
So it was a strange thing that he kind of left us off in our new new section of our lives, you know, before he left.
But he was, I mean, you know, the three of us were just three peas in a pod.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
That's that's about three weeks before he passed.
I was pregnant and we're in New York and Marges apartment.
You know, yeah, he was a doll.
He really was and he was funny and witty.
All those all those wonderful things.
He was so great.
I was surprised when you said that in the email to me because he does not look that ill at that.
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No, no, no.
I know it was three weeks before.
Yeah, it was amazing.
We had gone on a trip with a good friend of mine, Joyce Rudolph.
And we'd gone to see the leaves change in October in the east coast.
It was amazing.
And she said I would not know and he was sick for this.
He was a little more gone there, but it was inside, you know, it beat his count all
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light up and going down.
So it was in November.
He came back and he passed and you know, it was huge from our tonight.
It was absolutely huge for us because we really were.
He was a rock from my mom.
He was he was that guy energy that she loved, you know, and and needed.
And he was a rock.
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And I think the work helped her get help to be working so much obviously.
We all go through the tragedies, you know, and if you haven't so far, you just love
me so far.
And you know, if you've got your work and something to go to, that really saved her.
You know, and it was it was a part of her life.
Her work was her life.
She was such an expression person.
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She had so much in her that you guys experienced it.
And she was just who she was.
She just could be the guy who loved it, you know, that's what she was.
So you have to go to, you know, and for Randy, I mean, you know, I know coming out when I did,
was an easy but having both of your love and support must have meant the world to him.
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Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We were always 100% with him.
Our whole family was.
There was never any doubt in our family.
And I remember March would try to express to other families, you know, as as as as who she was,
don't turn your back on your son or your daughter, don't turn your back on them with this happens.
And now gosh, you know, now if Randy could be alive, now and see everything that's changed.
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The day I saw the White House with the rainbow lights on it, it just I thought it was a dream, you know, it was just amazing.
And if he could be around today, but he was, he he was an amazing, amazing guy.
It was a huge loss, but March had her had her work, had her buddies and to keep her going.
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That's that's who she loved to be, you know.
Well, what was Randy like?
What was he, you know, his career, you know, he was, you followed, which I want to get to.
You followed in mom's footsteps.
Right.
In the arts at all.
He was into design.
He he was into design.
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He was one of those people that, you know, when people are talented, you have talent.
And he was so good at it that it just kind of oozed out of him.
He could just see, well, he put that there and that there and just, you know, it's, you know, it, it was so easy.
I remember he did a job for someone.
He didn't want to charge him because he said, well, it was no big deal.
And they're like, yeah, for you, for us, that is.
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And that's what someone's talent is like, you know.
So he, and he was funny.
He had a sense of humor that just, he was very observant and very kind of a black sense of humor, but really, really with it.
Very artistic and creative.
He was, you know, artist see things.
Kind of they see the, like, a zeitgeist of what's happening in the world before it happens.
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He kind of had that error about him all the time, but, and he was my, he was my best friend.
He's about to type, we would travel to around the Southwest all the time together, driving around going to old.
He's going, look, we're in an old coffee shop.
He can get a piece of pie here, fresh baked cherry pie for 35 cents.
You know, you know, it's like, what's, what's, we've done that stuff, you know.
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So that would get me in the door.
It's like, this is real stuff and how cool is it in life?
And so we had a lot of fun together and we were so instinct as was with March, you know.
So it was tough.
It was really, really tough when he was gone and thank God, Margin, I had each other.
We, I think he came even closer after that, you know, spent a lot of time together.
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I read something about your mom talking about, you know, prejudice.
You know, she experienced around the time of his death and how she really tried to fight that on every level going forward from, from his death on.
Yeah, I know that was, I know she made a point of telling fans or any kind of interview, just got to love them.
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It really, I mean, you've got to love your child, you know, because people, and some people still do have that, you know.
This is a big, big world and different people have different points of view.
And she really did try to, oh, she actually went ahead and yeah, I was working with God's love.
We deliver and some of the other AIDS organizations in New York.
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She worked with, so, and she, you know, she worked with other things too, but that was a big one for her.
And I'll see her in LA too.
Support that.
Well, and you mentioned your daughter was born around his death and her.
And she's getting married on Saturday.
Right. She's getting married on Saturday.
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Yeah.
Yeah, she's, and she's really cool.
She is so independent.
She's an only child.
And I don't know.
She grew up with, with my husband and I and all of our friends.
She's very independent, super smart.
And also, she has the first time she moved her head a little funny like that.
It was just like Randy would do, naturally, as a joke.
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And I saw it and I went, oh my God, that's Randy, you know, she, she has his kind of quirky thing too.
Very observant.
She's a nurse.
She saw what my husband and I do.
She goes, no way.
I don't know anything.
I want something real.
I want a paycheck.
No way.
And we were like, good.
And so she's, she's traveled a lot.
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She's, she's nursed in foreign countries, volunteered.
And it's kind of natural for her.
She's intrigued by that.
She's intrigued by, you know, all kinds of different situations.
They spent Christmas day in one of the biggest slums in Mumbai last year.
Just because they were there.
It was funny.
You know, it's like she had her partner.
They're big, big travelers.
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So, yeah.
So, so.
So, what's incredible?
Well, Deborah, you did follow in your mom's footsteps.
So, I'm curious, what's your earliest memory of realizing what March did for a living?
Well, when Randy and I were little signalling that my mom was on Star Trek that night,
that was a big deal.
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And it wasn't easy to record anything.
So, we would run home with all our friends to watch, you know, get smart, you know, Star Trek.
And, you know, yeah.
I mean, the fact that she was on that show, that's kind of a badge of honor.
Oh, you're not kidding.
That's a question.
You stole Swox, great.
And, yeah.
And when you talk about Nicholas, Nicholas, yeah.
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Right.
And when you talk about a sense of humor, boy, that show she had a great sense of humor.
You know, she there were a lot of scenes where she played a flighty kind of funny mom.
She had a great sense of humor in that show.
Yeah. Yeah. So, where were we?
March.
One second. I think Ron is trying to get in.
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Give me a second. He was, he was just texting to, you know, I know it's a long time ago for you, Nicholas.
I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
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I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
I think that's a long time ago.
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I didn't even know what soap opera was.
(laughter)
I had ... I read ... I was doing South Pacific
at Paper Mill Playhouse outside of New York City.
And I was ... I had committed to myself
(32:53):
and I was going to work in the city
and not be on the road for a while
because our daughter Charlotte was five at that time.
Little did I know that I would be doing a daytime drama
a classic guiding light.
But fast forward, my last ...
my last one-on-one audition was with Marge
(33:15):
and with Jill Farron Phelps.
And I remember going into the conference room sitting there
and I was prepared.
And I was really prepared and met Marge
and she was sitting right across from me.
And I asked Jill, I said, "Well, she said, you know,
(33:36):
if you want to read, to stand, or move around,
whatever you want to sing, you know, you could."
I said, "Okay."
And so we started the scene.
And at that point, and that was the first time
that Jill had ever even knew the hell I was.
So she turned my picture over to read my resume.
And she said, "Oh, I didn't know you could sing it."
(33:59):
[laughter]
But I remember Marge and I immediately had a connection.
I mean, when we were reading, I mean, we were just ...
we were connected.
And that, you know, you can act.
It's that chemistry thing that nobody really understands
what it is, but they know when they see it or feel it.
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And Marge and I immediately had that.
And she was a sister to me.
She was the big younger sister of whatever.
We never could figure out who was older.
I'll examine her out.
But she and I were very close.
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And I admired that woman so much.
And as I go through ...
And I have gone through ...
Pain, she was in physically during the last ...
Oh God, I'm in years.
Amazed me in the fact that she never complained.
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She never complained a bit.
I would see her standing over on the side of the set
or whatever, doing stretches, stretching her back out, stretching.
And she was an inspiration.
And yes, like I heard the last part of Vince's story.
(35:29):
Being on the set with her in a scene, it was wonderful.
Because she would get into a monologue or whatever.
And you would say, "Uh-oh, she's gone a little over your ...
And all of a sudden you're starting to listen and pull for her.
And then she somehow gets through the end and it makes sense.
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And then you're lying and you forgot it.
Because you've been walking March.
You're just watching her climb out of that monologue.
And that's not the way she said it.
It's very true.
Yeah, I just was, "Oh my God, she's going to ...
Oh my God, she made it."
And then I'll go, "Oh my God, what's my line?"
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But that's absolutely true.
That's funny.
I want to say thank you to Amy Corbin, who shared a lot of videos.
And a fan Michael shared a 1995 LA Times article with me.
And Marge had this to say to the LA Times about replacing Beverly.
I've always felt once you're doing a part, it is yours anyway.
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If you let the psychology of it say it's not yours, you're doomed.
I couldn't work if I let her ghost follow me around.
Which is really so well said and why we fell in love.
Ron, she then went on to say, "I have to find this."
Give me one sec.
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She said this, "They were describing the incredible chemistry that you and Marge shared."
She said, "Ron, it's a shame."
Marge said, "It's a shame they cannot be lovers."
She says with a laugh.
Yeah.
Marge, do you sister?
That's what my aunt Tilly says.
She wants it to turn out that we are not really related.
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It could happen.
You know our father, Prandt, and she had her past.
I mean, it's phenomenal.
You know, one of the fans I read something earlier from a fan and they talked about they weren't sure they would come to accept Marge as Alexandra.
(37:46):
And they said, "The minute she slapped you, she was Alexandra."
And I think that happens on this plane ride where you two are on the plane.
Let's take a quick.
Hold on.
We went too far.
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[Music]
[Music]
Alex, Alex, look, look at this way.
It's going to you.
You're a nerve.
It's good news, Alex.
You're not for the host me.
I was even praying for you.
You know that I was making deals with him.
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And your prayers were answered, Alex.
I did lie to you, but I was telling the truth.
But I said I was glad to have my sister back.
Alex, Alex, he has the Alex.
We don't have to hide anything anymore.
No more secrets.
We can walk back into Springfield with our heads held high.
Daughter and son of Brandon Sporling.
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I was just thinking, "I got for you so soon."
I gave you back all your answers.
Oh, the Quora Wally, I did the Vanessa.
And that Mewing, that Flick, and that Buddy got my dross here.
Oh my god.
Oh my god, the garbage that came out of my mouth because I was behind you.
He was like, "What's on, Alex?"
Do you remember that at all wrong?
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Yeah, I started, dude.
Wow.
Yeah.
You're fun.
I went to say something the other day because I don't check that out very...
I never liked watching myself.
Unlike most of the actors on the stage.
On the stage.
But I...
Someone sent something the other day with Philip and Ross and I.
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It was a wonderful scene and I said, "Boy, I don't remember that at all,
but that was a pretty game good scene."
But yeah, I do remember this.
This was near the beginning, obviously.
Yeah.
That damn plane.
I mean, I love it when we were on the plane.
The plane set.
Yeah, that was fun.
It looked like a lot of fun.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But I love the fireworks and the drama.
Oh god.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She definitely had to bring fireworks to a scene without...
Yeah.
Without question.
Oh, of course, of nature.
I love that.
Wonderful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I remember, Deb, I remember one of the last times...
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Well, because we did it a couple of three times.
This is after the show had closed and she was having some physical challenges.
We...
We meaning Bruce Barry, director, Justin, Peter Simon.
I think of Jay Hammer.
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I think Grant as well.
All went over and she had tea.
I said, "Oh, she loved to do tea."
So she had...
We had a tea, you know, all the guys, all of her guys, you know.
And it was really, really so special to be with her.
And...
I was saying she loved her.
She loved her, man.
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She loved her leading man.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, she loved her.
I...
I...
Energy.
She just was so happy.
She could be herself with that.
She loved it.
And loved you guys.
That was such an amazing, amazing.
And she still has that hat.
Or I have it.
Haha.
You know, it's really...
It's something, Deb, because I remember we were going to do a memorial service right before the world shut down.
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Yeah.
Remember, you were going to come to town.
We're going to throw a big and party.
Yeah.
And...
We were going to do the whole thing.
And then COVID, we came back to get the world change.
Everything stopped, and everything--
We ended up doing a family memorial in Kansas for her,
because her sister Mary Ann died two weeks after her,
passed two weeks after her.
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- Oh, I didn't know that.
- Yeah, so we got--
- Now was Mary the one that was always with her?
- Yes, Mary Ann was the one that was with her.
Right.
- Well, I'm gonna be with her.
- Yeah, yeah, so they were wearing her kind of--
She said partly, they had a big family,
and Mary Ann kind of raised her, she said,
"Totter to read and did a lot of things with her."
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And she was very close to Kathy.
Kathy was involved and helped with family.
- Yes, I remember Kathy too.
- Yeah, Kathy was very involved, but Mary Ann
was kind of her right hand person a lot.
- You know, the other wonderful thing, Debbie,
was that, and we all did on the set.
Vince, we love showing pictures of our children
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and bringing them on set or something.
And her and pictures and Deanie, I mean,
she was the best Deanie doing.
All the Deanie's going to, you know,
she was always showing photos of that.
- Yeah, she was--
- Of hers.
- It's so funny, I remember one time,
and I'm not sure she played this crazy drug lord
on one of the shows.
- Is that Vanessa?
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- I'm not sure which one was--
- Maybe.
- That's not familiar.
- I come to the set.
- Alan would know.
- Yeah, I come to the set with my daughter,
who's six, seven years old,
marges in a straight jacket,
walking around.
(laughing)
- Yeah, Alexandra, I don't think
was in a straight jacket.
- I don't think that was in Alexandra.
- I just don't know.
- She was just--
- She was just--
- She was grandma.
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- At one point, I think you're right.
I remember what she'd like totally lost it.
And she was thrown in like a mental institution.
I do remember that.
- Yeah, I remember that.
- Inputed, she was proteus.
- Proteus, that's right.
- On all my children.
- On all my children.
- Ron, I don't know if you heard us,
but Deborah's daughter is getting married this weekend.
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- Right.
- Oh my God.
- Yes, I'm getting a little deemy.
- Yes, my husband has been letting the whole thing.
So, congratulations.
- Yeah.
- That's wonderful.
- She's a very independent woman,
just like just like--
- She was gonna be a nurse or something.
- She is a nurse.
She is a nurse.
- She's very proud of that.
- Yeah.
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- She's very proud of that.
- Very proud of that.
- That's just gonna be proud of that.
- Hard worker, very hard worker,
very, very, well, determined.
- Now, that's a noble profession.
- Yes, isn't it?
- Has it really raised the profile and the last two years?
- Yeah, so she didn't want anything to do
with the make-believe world.
She wanted the real thing.
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That part of the real thing, you know?
- It's one of the jump things.
- This is my husband, David.
- Just, I think it is.
- And fantastic listening to you guys.
It's really great.
But I just wanted to chime in saying thank you.
First of all, for doing all this.
- Absolutely.
- But Dina, you know, I'm a film producer
and I produced a film where too,
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and Marge acted and wanted to.
And she was great, but I remember taking Dina
to New York to hang out with Marge.
And Marge was like one of my favorite people to hang out with.
But she was very much anti-main.
- To a such a huge degree that I think Dina saw a world
that was kind of make-believe,
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but also beautiful and funny and pretty one life.
And that made the story of what she wanted to be coming first.
- Right, right.
- She's like, "Oh, I can't try to replicate this."
You know, like, "Who could, you know?"
Anyway, thank you guys so much.
Thank you very much.
- Oh, I love that.
I love that.
- I love it.
- I love it.
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- It's a privilege to talk about
- I love that.
- I love that.
- I love that.
- She's too bad that you couldn't have about 20 people on here.
Because I mean, she was loved on that set by so many people.
- Sure.
- The tech crew and the ensemble, the actor.
I mean, it was just, it was a, it was a,
I'm so glad that she was in my life, you know?
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My life is better.
- Well, Ron, this is Nicholas who played her son on Capitol.
- Ah.
- Nicholas.
- I just saw her and I was able to get the generated working,
but I'm sorry.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, California.
Deborah, did you, and I made Mr. Early,
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do you have a favorite role of your mom's?
- A favorite role.
What, what a great question.
I, I don't think I have a favorite role.
Whenever she was being her, that was it.
When she was alive, I loved watching her playing
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in the daytime stuff because she got to get so involved
with things like, I mean, I,
a fan mentioned the other night on Facebook
that she was in a show called Phyllis.
I have no idea.
And I thought you seen, it was crazy.
I'd never know.
- The farest leechment show is that one.
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- Yes, I'm not, not ever.
And thank you, the person who did that role.
I watched her scene and the minute she walked in,
there was a presence.
She was strong, she was direct, she had life.
She just, you know, maybe I just had,
it was a very calm, cool sense of humor,
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but such a strong person.
He really had a presence.
And I think I got that in so much of what she did.
I'll probably think of my favorite thing.
I loved the facts of life that she had humor,
but I loved it.
- And you mentioned Star Trek earlier,
that will live forever.
That is a absolute cult classic, you know?
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- Absolutely.
- She will be a trekkie for life.
- Right, right, right, absolutely.
She's done every show that you could do in the 70s,
like the 60s and 70s that was popular.
Even, yeah.
- I remember Grand Alexander Callamy,
said, "Did you see Marge on Gunsmoke?"
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- Oh.
(laughing)
- She's gone.
- She looked great.
I said, "Well, we should have known sooner."
(laughing)
- She did, she did, she did, yes.
- She did, she did, she did,
she did, she did, she did,
while well west, she did, she did,
I would read her role as the Mademond,
Mademora with James Garner.
I mean, there was so many things.
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- Wow.
- You never stopped working.
- She was around, what's really happening?
- Oh, yeah, she never, she was always working.
And I just, I even just watching
or something new last night, it just tickled me.
And I remember one time,
I, this is a strange thing.
I remember one time, I'm kind of good with voices,
listening to voices.
And one time there was a,
and I was figure out who it is.
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There was a radio out on it.
I was going as a bank commercialist.
Who is that?
Like, look at that.
It's so familiar, but I keep,
I went, "Oh, it's my mother."
(laughing)
I was like, "You know, she was everywhere."
And she grabbed you.
You know, she grabbed me.
And her sense of humor, I think, in life was probably,
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you guys got to be,
I think you guys had so much fun playing with her.
You know, there's a lot of work,
a lot of work, but it's a heightened level
of being with someone and the laughing,
and the joy, and, you know, what a great,
I envy that you guys got to know her in that way.
I really do.
Yeah.
Sure.
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Well, everyone talks about her infectious laugh.
Everyone who worked with her talks about.
Right.
And, you know, sort of the,
the right word, the bodiness of Marge behind the scenes,
you know, she could let it, let it, let it out
in the makeup room and that.
That's it rip, you know?
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Yeah.
And I think bodiness is a very appropriate word,
a sense of humor.
And she had that down home thing about her.
That's what was interesting.
I remember my stepmother.
Russell Kansas.
Russell Kansas.
My, yes, Russell Kansas.
It really was that value, you know,
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of you're no bigger than anybody else.
You know, you put your bootstraps on,
you get your job done.
And my stepmother actually said about her
when she got to know her and they loved each other.
And she said, she said,
which is, which is rare.
Yeah.
And she knows what about your mom?
She's sweet.
And I was like, sweet.
That's not a word people use a lot,
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but she's got a good heart.
So she doesn't, she's not, doesn't have a bad,
she's not negative about people.
She really never got,
she'd never had that part of her.
And I really love that, you know,
it was observations about people,
but she never had that kind of vein in her.
And I, I think that allowed her to be who she was really big
and feel safe with it, you know,
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in a way that the fans just said she also tangled
with JRUing on Dallas.
She did?
Yeah.
Why didn't know that?
I didn't know that.
I wonder.
They, they, they know it all.
That's right.
Yeah, they, they know it all.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and really, you know, Ron,
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thanks to the character of Alan passing away.
She got to really nail it at the end of "Guyding Light" as well.
Yeah.
You know, she, she, she went out,
out of Springfield with a bang.
And it was nice that "Guyding Light" gave Jay Hammer
the opportunity to take her on her European trip.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, such, just warms my heart,
talking about her.
You know, what, what, what do you,
well, could you imagine her thinking this would be happening?
And what, what do you think she'd say hearing all of you talk?
(51:56):
Oh, "Guyding Light"
What, what do you say?
I said, "Guyding Light"
But she was shooting one.
Yeah, I agree.
I think she would be heartened by it.
Don't you, Deb?
Oh, I, I think she, I think she would be heartened,
but I think she would be shy, you know, too.
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Yeah.
You know, I think she'd be shy about that.
But was there a side side to your mom?
Um, not really.
I don't think she, I think deep down she,
there were some insecurities, but shyness,
I don't, I don't know if she had shyness, you know.
She knew she was, she was modest when she,
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you know, she was, she was well rounded, you know.
She, she, she give you any advice with you following
in this path that she was on?
No, she said, uh, if that's really what you want.
She said, "I never, I, when I was young,
I said I want to be an actor, she goes great.
When you're old enough to drive yourself to interviews,
to do all that, I'm not going to be that mom that does that."
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She didn't, she was not into that at all.
I don't blame her, you know.
Thank God she didn't, I was, I was not ready to do that,
or, or, interest didn't that.
But, but the main advice, she always gave me,
which I read it simple and true, she said,
"Trust your instincts, just trust your instincts."
Because that's really, you know, that's where you can't go wrong, you know.
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So that, that was her main advice to me,
that I always appreciated, you know.
So, when she-- - She was a fan of her best, um, Jon asked, could she enjoy her last years,
was she able to enjoy them, or was she in too much physical pain?
Uh, I, I don't think she enjoyed, when she had, she had friends over
(53:51):
and when she had energy, but no.
To me, that was, that was so sad,
because she, she had everything going for her, you know,
she was a member of the academy, she could go to screening,
she was invited everywhere, just so it was, it was really tough, you know.
It was really tough.
And her body had given her, you know, a hard time throughout her life,
different things, you know, just to have her,
(54:14):
but it had done that.
So that was unfortunate, you know.
She traveled, you know, we brought her back to LA,
got a Holy Set of Doctors, what can we do?
It just, her back, there was something wrong,
if it's a coincidence, it was causing her problems.
You know, that was my, that was my memory of it too, to be honest.
Yeah.
I was like, I went to see her in her apartment,
(54:36):
um, that her, her condo that she lived, I think, was like 56th Street,
right by the time she got home,
right to visit her one day, and she's in so much pain.
Yeah.
It was, that was, that was tough to see her life, because she was so vivacious,
she was really well as a human being,
she was just, she had so much life in her,
and to see that this debilitating condition was, was taking its toll on her.
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And I remember the last time I spoke with, with March,
I remember the date actually, it was September 11th and 2019,
because I was, I was, I was in New York for one night,
and I was staying at a hotel right across the street from the twin towers,
where they had fallen, and it was the anniversary, obviously,
it was on September 10th that I went there on the 11th.
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I was only there for the night, was there with my girlfriend,
Ivan, and spent the day there, and on the way out,
because I had heard that she was really not doing well, March,
and I was driving to my airport, and I called her.
It was the last time I spoke with her,
called to see how she was doing, and just, you know,
just to connect with her, and to remember my support over the phone at the very least,
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because I wasn't in New York for long enough.
And we had a really nice talk while I was in the car right going into the airport,
and that was the last time I spoke with March.
That's wonderful. That meant a lot to her, that really meant a lot to her.
Yeah, I just, my heart was going out to her,
because I knew that she was really kind of going towards her.
(56:06):
Yeah, that was, that was just unfair,
that it, that's what, what it ended up being just unfair, you know?
Yeah, you know, one time, one time I was on a,
a group of us were talks, I don't, an interview or something.
And they were going around saying, you know, who are your heroes in the business?
And who are your idols and blah, blah, blah?
(56:30):
And we all came up with something,
and Justin D said, "March to say is my hero."
No, no.
And we all went, "Yeah, she's our hero too."
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, she loved him.
She loved him too. She loved you guys.
(56:52):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
She really did.
She was magic with every man she worked with, really.
Absolutely. I mentioned Jay.
I mean, people loved Fletcher and Alex together,
and both, you know, when it was Beverly as well,
but both, they loved it so much.
Is there anything Vincent, Nicholas, even Ron,
that you learned from March,
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just even the last time?
Any time I complain about anything, I think about Marja.
I say, "Wait a minute. You have nothing to complain about."
You know, I mean, there are people who are in real pain,
and you're not.
And so, draw strength from their courage,
and which I have many times.
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Absolutely.
I remember one time that it stuck with me.
It was very simple.
It was sort of the day or the week that we were all notified
that we were being booted out and replaced by bold and beautiful.
And she looked at me, and I looked at her.
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We didn't say anything, but she just whispered.
What did you say?
Keep laughing.
Keep laughing.
Meaning, don't let the bastards grind you down.
I think.
But it was so intimate.
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It was just whispered to me, and I was like,
"Wow, okay. I'll keep laughing because it's better than crying."
Yeah?
Yeah.
That's interesting that you would say that,
I believe when she was going through the loss of her son,
your brother, Deborah, that I believe that that was probably a philosophy
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that she had that carried her through that.
It wasn't to keep laughing, but to find the joy in what she was doing.
Right.
That seemed to at least gird her during those that so difficult time.
And I, so I find inspiration in that,
and having had the opportunity to work very closely with her during that time,
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to see that she found some solace, some strength during this,
which was this period that was devastating for her.
Right.
It was clear that.
I was going to leave, said, I could see that.
That was some respite for the period of time,
when she was putting her heart and sold into the work,
and finding the joy in what she was doing there.
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And I could see that still the moment that she finished that had its toll.
And I think that the sister was there for her too.
Right.
I do think that's interesting because we off in my husband and I talk about her,
and she marked was a survivor.
She was a survivor.
And I think that what you were saying Vincent about her putting it into the work,
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I think she actually felt and knew is she didn't do that.
She'd go crazy.
And she didn't want to be a waste of bother.
Anybody with crazy, so she might as well go forward and do that in a way.
You know what I mean?
Yes, I think that.
I kind of, that's how I see it for her.
Yeah.
She's her grieving, her grieving in her way of dealing with it was through her work.
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Yeah.
Thank God she had work.
Absolutely.
Right.
Right.
In this business where it's up and down,
what a blessing we had it at that difficult moment in her life.
Right.
Exactly.
A whole new new side with you guys in, you know, the East Coast.
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Yeah.
Absolutely.
And all I wanted to mention that that plane scene was what she submitted when she was nominated for an Emmy in 1995.
That was one of the.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was chewing some, chewing some airplane.
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Yeah.
Janice mentioned that Marge was such a great lady.
She called me on July 4th, 2019 to sing Happy Birthday to me.
I'll always remember that.
You know, all that gas lighting stuff too.
All that gas lighting stuff where she was.
That was some of the funniest scenes because some of the things.
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Like crazy said, oh my god, how are we going to get through this?
You know, but that was that was Alan.
No, no, you take this.
No, Alan.
You take this.
It's just some tea.
It'll be.
I mean, we would.
We.
Yeah.
You're.
Oh, God, she made me laugh.
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And I got to look that up.
I got to look it up.
Thank you all so much for doing this.
There's a little photo montage that Deborah shared some photos that I will play.
But thank you all.
This really has meant so much to the fans.
Your mom is beloved for all of the roles she played, but especially Capitol Santa Barbara.
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I think it's been a while.
I think it's been a while since I was a child.
I think it's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
I was a child.
this is wonderful. What a great celebration. Yeah, we hope you have a beautiful beautiful
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ceremony on Saturday. And I'm so glad you found me Debra. I'm so glad that this
was wonderful. It's wonderful to see you Debra. And I feel like I'm looking at a marry your mother
in a way. I know. In your visits there, you're beautiful.
I wish. Thank you. Thanks again everybody. Absolutely.
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Bye, Vance. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Bye, bye.
Bye.
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Hi, everyone.
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Thank you for joining me in the locker room.
I'm Alan Locker.
Today we are paying tribute to the unforgettable, the talented, and the very missed Marge, do
say.
We lost Marge at the age of 83 on January 28, 2020, and this tribute is long overdue.
Marge's career and daytime began 41 years ago last month when she made her debut on
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Capitol, playing the powerful Washington DC, matriarch, Merner, Klaig.
She moved over to Santa Barbara in 1987 to play Pamela Capwell, Conrad, then over the days
of our lives to fill in for Vivian Alamane, and in August of 1993, she moved to Springfield
taking over the role of Alexandra Spalding from Beverly McKinsey on Guiding Light.
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She played this role on and off until the end of the series in 2009, but also during
that time she originated the role of the Nessive Bennett on All My Children from 1999 to 2002.
In addition to her roles in daytime, Marge had several roles in film and on primetime television,
working opposite Elvis Presley in Clambeke, playing the role of Blair Warner's mother Monica
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on the Facts of Life, and an alien on the cult classic Star Trek to name a very small
few.
Marge's real-life daughter, Deborah Blocker and Marge's friends and on-screen family are
here to share their memories of this magnificent lady.
Vincent E. Rosari had the unique opportunity to play her son not only once, but twice, both
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on All My Children in Guiding Light.
Ron Reigns played her brother on Guiding Light, and Nicholas Walker was also her son on Capitol.
Please help me welcome to the locker room, Deborah Blocker, Vincent E. Rosari, Nicholas
Walker, and Ron Reigns will be here shortly.
Hello, everybody.
Hey, everybody.
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Hi.
Hi.
Wonderful to see you all.
Same here.
You know, the fans, you know, your mom, Deborah, made an indelible mark in their memories.
I'd love to hear from you about the Marge.
We didn't know.
Your mom, you know, what was she like at home?
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Well, at home, what was she like?
She was amazing.
She was my mother most of all.
She was a brilliantly committed mother.
My brother and I always knew that no matter what we were loved, there was none of this show
of his mom's stuff going on.
She was there for us.
Family mattered.
She made sure we went back home to Russell Kansas every year in the summers.
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We first moved to LA because she wanted us to have a real, you know, grounding and be involved
with our family.
We were always with her.
Whatever she did, we were first in her mind.
And she was fun.
And for me, she was my idol.
You know, I have an amazing father too, but my mother, I knew I was going to do this.
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My mother raised my brother and I basically by herself.
And that's tough.
We have two teenage kids in Los Angeles who, when you've got a full time career going on.
And we always knew we were loved.
There was never any doubt that we were absolutely loved.
And if she needed to put her fist down, she goes, "Listen, you guys are going into Westwood?
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For the weekend, you're going to go there for the night.
You'd be back here by a lovely beam or I'm calling the cops, I swear to God."
And she knew she meant it.
So we had to be home.
We had to be, you know, and she always made sure we were taken care of.
And it really was a very colorful life.
I feel so blessed in that I got to live so many aspects of life.
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We moved a lot.
We traveled.
We did things.
She gave my brother and I incredible opportunities that we wouldn't, you know, never had if we hadn't
been with March.
But she really was fun and exciting and interesting.
And best of all, I loved her sense of humor.
She had a great, as the guys know, she had a great sense of humor.
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And I got to say, she loved her leading men.
She done guys.
She loved Guy Energy, you know, that was a thing for her.
I just think she felt in her element.
She was extremely independent and funny.
And I looked up to her because she was so independent.
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And somehow she made everything work.
I don't know how she did it, but my brother and I'd be going, "Mom, you can't do that."
She goes, "Well, just have to do that or that."
It would be fine.
You know, she was that kind of a lady.
And it was very glamorous too, but she was not a diva type.
Well, she was not.
She was not a glamorous.
She was very down to earth, you know.
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We all were very true.
Very true.
Very true.
Very true.
I think some of those photos you sent Deborah and we'll have a little montage at the end.
George Anderson the fourth.
Thank you so much for doing this.
I miss my Aunt Marge so much, but I know my daddy and her are telling the greatest
family stories for eternity.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
George, yeah, he's my cousin-in-law.
Okay.
I don't know if that's it.
Yeah.
Vincent and Nicholas, were you aware of who Marge was before you had the luck
of working opposite her?
Well, I'll let you Nicholas go first because you worked with her first on Capitol.
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Yeah, I mean.
So she came into Capitol what I call under duress because Carol Jones from the Adams family
played the original Mernick leg.
And that was a powerhouse woman as well.
And there was different iterations of different people trying to capture that role.
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And it was interesting for me as an actor to go through different iterations of the Mernick
and then Marge showed up and we had an audition for the network CBS and we had the scene
and we just clicked and it was John Convoy, the executive producer and creator of Capitol
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looked at me after the scene and we both smile.
We did finally we have the Mernick.
So that was a very interesting process for me as a young actor.
I was in my 20s and what was great about her because she's never, I think,
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did daytime except Capitol was the first show that she did.
At first, she always looked at me and said, "How do I do this?"
I'm so surprised to see signs they changed the lines.
I now use that as a March just, you know, have fun.
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You'll be fine.
And it was an interesting rock and roll bumpy road but at the end, she looked at me and said,
"My God, I think I got it."
I love that.
Well let's take a look at you in Marge and Action.
Okay.
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And I'm sitting down and I just tell me what this latest crisis is all about.
Your father of course, his pension, having sort of a little affair, a fair amount, I'm not
there.
You and me, I decide to have keyed on your wives someday.
I hope this is going to be a lesson for you.
No, wait a second, you just leave me, honestly.
Well you're both already in it.
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You and me.
Up to your royal conniving little neck.
And that's why I'm side you're here.
I just had to bring the house to bring Sam over here to face the music.
So you just prepare yourselves for a showdown.
Oh, thanks a lot Mernick.
It's about time that we got to the bottom of this whole sorted mess once and for all.
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So you just forget who side you've been on up to now.
Whatever lies or covered stories you've told your father or to me.
You said, "Well past history, there's a whole new deal now."
And I am going to...
She certainly made Merner her own.
Oh she did.
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And I will never forget the John Combo I looked at me and went, "Yeah."
And it was a very hard...
Carolyn Jones was dying and still showed up to work.
And she was so impactful in that first year.
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So it was like, "How do we ever replace that?"
And I think that's why we went through different iterations.
But when Marge came in with that...
I think it's that panache and a sense of humor underneath that glamour that hooked us all.
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And beyond all that, she never took it too seriously and always liked to poke fun.
And that's why we had such a great time together all the time.
I was thinking of that, Deborah, when you're talking about your mom was so fun.
I knew these guys knew her.
I wish the fans could have seen a little more of that.
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Merner was a stern character Alexander.
You know, Vanessa Bennett.
I mean, it wasn't the fun side that you all really got to see.
I think this is Marge's sister, right, Kathy Dunn?
Yes.
Kathy's watching.
And she says, "Hi to all of you watching.
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This is a beautiful tribute for Marge and it brings tears to my eyes."
I miss her so much.
Yeah, Kathy was really involved with everything in Marge and helping Marge along too.
Vincent, you know, listening to Nicholas, you know, here he is talking about Marge taking
over, you know, for Carol and I just think of what Marge was able to do coming to guiding
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light for that first time.
Absolutely.
But yeah, you asked first if I knew who she was and I had absolutely no opportunity prior
to working with her as Alexandra.
But I certainly knew who she was.
Years earlier, when Capitol was on, I was at one point dating Capitol and Hickland and she
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talked always about her.
She kept talking about her wonder because she was and just her coming on in replacement
and how brilliant she was and coming in.
And I can honestly say when she came in to replace Beverly McKenzie, that was probably one of
the more difficult replacements I can imagine for anybody in that without question because
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Beverly McKenzie was an icon.
She was a force of nature.
And six months after she chose to leave the show, they were like, "We need to bring back
Alexandra."
And we were like, "Wow, who's he going to bring?"
And when they brought in Vanessa, Vanessa, Marge, Vanessa and Alexandra brought her in.
She was equally a force of nature right away.
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She was fantastic.
She just, it was seamless.
She made it her own and I was just so impressed with working with her.
And you know, she had those elements of, yes, she had the dramatic, but she also had the
comedic that was there even working with her as Vanessa when she was the most sinister
or psychotic when she was.
That character was a bit psychotic.
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You always had a sense of humor about it too.
And it was wonderful to watch.
She was delicious to watch.
She had so many levels.
I had such a wonderful experience working with her on two different shows.
I remember when they were casting Vanessa.
And I went down to Judy Wilson, who was casting director on the show.
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And I asked who they were considering.
They just had taped several people.
And she brought up a Marge.
And I'm like, they loved her.
And I said, oh, that's fantastic.
Marge is brilliant.
She could absolutely do this role.
And I said she played my mother on guiding light.
And she first said, oh, I hope that's going to be okay.
That she was your mother and another show.
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And I'm like, this is one big, reputory company.
Instead of she's the right person, don't let that go.
And I don't think she needed Judy Wilson was brilliant.
She absolutely didn't need me to push that along, but that was just what I felt and shared
with her immediately.
And they went with her because she was the best one for that role.
And she just created such-- and for me, for my character, for David Hayward, that chain
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that brought my character to another level as well.
Because the relationship they wrote between my mother and with him, I just loved working
with Marge.
She was just-- you never knew what you were going to get.
She had this quirkiness about her, you know, from moment to moment.
And it was beautiful.
She had this little-- like under this lap that you would have, like in the middle of a
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line or something.
She would just-- and it was very subtle.
It was like, really?
Like this was something.
And it was in the middle of like, no, they're going, oh, okay.
And I just loved it.
I loved it.
I loved it.
I loved working with Marge.
She was brilliant.
She really was.
Well, I wanted to read two comments from fans.
Patrick Newell said, in the immortal words spoken by Marge on her first couple of episodes
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of GL, Aunt Alex's Back, and Man Was She.
I loved Marge and her take on Alexandra's folder.
She was a powerhouse actress and always delivered in her performances of Alex.
She's shined to the end of her performances after Alan's death.
She was absolutely brilliant.
And Kayla said again, I said she absolutely was.
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She was.
And Kayla said I was reluctant to like at first being a diehard Beverly fan, but when she choked
the hell out of Alan's folding, she won me over.
And I was happy she kept the role going after Beverly.
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Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't think there was any other actress.
I can't imagine even as talented as all these great many actresses are in that medium
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and surrounding it.
I can't imagine anybody coming and doing the job that Marge did.
I just can't.
She was fantastic.
She was brilliant.
And it really wasn't easy at all because fans were so hooked on Beverly.
So that just makes it even harder.
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Thankfully, I think it was a combination of who Marge was in the writing for her return
without question.
And I made it here she is with Allison Janie, and I'm blanking on the other young woman,
but they were phenomenal these three.
Yeah, they were.
They were.
They were.
I miss me.
I ran into Allison Janie in a TV academy event years ago and went up to her and she was
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wonderful.
She was great.
And she reminded her because she was recurring on that show.
And she came in and she would do a few scenes one day and then it was like three months later
another one.
Yeah, she was hardly on that at all, but every time she came on, I loved watching what she
and the other actress were doing.
I was like, it's so great together.
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They had this comedic quality about them that they were wonderful and with Marge.
Fantastic.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, let's take a look at you Vincent.
I can't tell you how sorry.
I mean, I was feeling under the weather.
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You know that.
I wanted to stay at home.
I didn't want to inflict myself.
Don't, don't.
Okay.
You're not sick and I'm not stupid.
You just didn't want to go to the engagement party.
That's all.
Okay, I understand.
I understand what you saw was very upsetting.
You were hit by a tree.
And after all you've done trying to fat juggle, family obligations and your obligations to
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Mende, you have a right to expect more of you.
Get it.
Don't you get it.
It has nothing to do with obligations towards Melinda.
I love her Alexandra.
I'm asking her to be my wife.
I know that.
I know that.
Do you really?
Because you act like she's some kind of a nuisance, some beat or on my road back to you.
Well, listen, no.
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Darling, I want you to live your own life.
I do.
And anyone you would choose to marry any girl I would welcome with the opening guards.
Any girl except this one.
This is the one.
Any girl but this one.
Any girl but this one.
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Here's our Vanessa.
Hello, David.
Why are you here?
Out of concern, of course.
You don't expect me to believe that you're actually an emotional distress about Erica.
My concern is about you, dear.
Do you remember the article you wrote for the New England Digest of Medicine?
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I've written many articles for that publication.
Yes, and I've read many of your articles too.
But this one was about six years ago.
You said that any doctor who became emotionally involved with his patients' recovery lost
40% of his effect source to some effect like that.
I don't look so shocked, darling.
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I do read things other than the fashion magazines and the gossip columns.
And I am your mother.
I do keep up.
I just noticed that the person captioned it as David and Erica.
Oh, did it say that?
It's not in the corner.
It might have been a longer scene there.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
As well.
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Did you both hit it off with March from the beginning?
I did absolutely.
And both of those performance roles without question.
Yeah.
And seeing literally I was like, finally, you know, here we are.
It was instantaneous.
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And I just hear her incredible sense of humor.
Yeah.
I said I had heard about her.
And I'd seen some scenes of hers on Capitol.
We don't have the opportunity where we're working on these shows to watch a lot of shows.
We just don't.
But I had seen some of her work before.
So when she was coming on as Alexandra, I confident in it.
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I knew that it was going to be a herculean effort to do that, to replace Beverly.
But she came in and I was very happy to have somebody come in to try to recreate that role.
And she just like I said, it was seamless.
She really was fantastic right from the get go.
So and I know it was also and I do remember this and I'm I hope it's okay to bring this up to Deborah.
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I know passing of your brother.
Yeah.
What that was when she was playing Alexandra.
And that was a very difficult time for her.
Obviously.
And you know, but she she didn't falter at all in her work.
As a performer, as a professional.
But I could see it.
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It was weighing on her evidently.
It was obvious that it would.
So it was a very difficult time during the time when you back when you brought the past.
And I'm sorry for their loss as well.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And she had she had both sister supporting her, but she had her kind of a right hand hand man in Mary Anne her sister.
Yeah.
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And she had a lot of things with her and Mary Anne was flying back and forth with her.
The hospital.
I was trying to remember that.
Right.
Doing everything.
Yeah.
She was she was Marges Rock and it's interesting because Randy I remember he had flown to New York.
I think it was maybe it was the guiding light role.
Maybe it wasn't the Alexandra role.
But in 93, I think she got that that role.
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And it was strange because we knew he was ill.
We knew he was going to pass in those days.
You passed of eights.
And he was in New York with her and he was going over.
She told me he went over the lines with her and he told her one line just a way to say it.
And she said, oh my god, it just made all the difference.
You know, when she went into the audition, she felt so confident.
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And I was I was actually six months pregnant when Randy passed.
So Marge had just gotten the show and I have my daughter coming.
So it was a strange thing that he kind of left us off in our new new section of our lives, you know, before he left.
But he was, I mean, you know, the three of us were just three peas in a pod.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
That's that's about three weeks before he passed.
I was pregnant and we're in New York and Marges apartment.
You know, yeah, he was a doll.
He really was and he was funny and witty.
All those all those wonderful things.
He was so great.
I was surprised when you said that in the email to me because he does not look that ill at that.
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No, no, no.
I know it was three weeks before.
Yeah, it was amazing.
We had gone on a trip with a good friend of mine, Joyce Rudolph.
And we'd gone to see the leaves change in October in the east coast.
It was amazing.
And she said I would not know and he was sick for this.
He was a little more gone there, but it was inside, you know, it beat his count all
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light up and going down.
So it was in November.
He came back and he passed and you know, it was huge from our tonight.
It was absolutely huge for us because we really were.
He was a rock from my mom.
He was he was that guy energy that she loved, you know, and and needed.
And he was a rock.
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And I think the work helped her get help to be working so much obviously.
We all go through the tragedies, you know, and if you haven't so far, you just love
me so far.
And you know, if you've got your work and something to go to, that really saved her.
You know, and it was it was a part of her life.
Her work was her life.
She was such an expression person.
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She had so much in her that you guys experienced it.
And she was just who she was.
She just could be the guy who loved it, you know, that's what she was.
So you have to go to, you know, and for Randy, I mean, you know, I know coming out when I did,
was an easy but having both of your love and support must have meant the world to him.
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Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We were always 100% with him.
Our whole family was.
There was never any doubt in our family.
And I remember March would try to express to other families, you know, as as as as who she was,
don't turn your back on your son or your daughter, don't turn your back on them with this happens.
And now gosh, you know, now if Randy could be alive, now and see everything that's changed.
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The day I saw the White House with the rainbow lights on it, it just I thought it was a dream, you know, it was just amazing.
And if he could be around today, but he was, he he was an amazing, amazing guy.
It was a huge loss, but March had her had her work, had her buddies and to keep her going.
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That's that's who she loved to be, you know.
Well, what was Randy like?
What was he, you know, his career, you know, he was, you followed, which I want to get to.
You followed in mom's footsteps.
Right.
In the arts at all.
He was into design.
He he was into design.
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He was one of those people that, you know, when people are talented, you have talent.
And he was so good at it that it just kind of oozed out of him.
He could just see, well, he put that there and that there and just, you know, it's, you know, it, it was so easy.
I remember he did a job for someone.
He didn't want to charge him because he said, well, it was no big deal.
And they're like, yeah, for you, for us, that is.
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And that's what someone's talent is like, you know.
So he, and he was funny.
He had a sense of humor that just, he was very observant and very kind of a black sense of humor, but really, really with it.
Very artistic and creative.
He was, you know, artist see things.
Kind of they see the, like, a zeitgeist of what's happening in the world before it happens.
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He kind of had that error about him all the time, but, and he was my, he was my best friend.
He's about to type, we would travel to around the Southwest all the time together, driving around going to old.
He's going, look, we're in an old coffee shop.
He can get a piece of pie here, fresh baked cherry pie for 35 cents.
You know, you know, it's like, what's, what's, we've done that stuff, you know.
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So that would get me in the door.
It's like, this is real stuff and how cool is it in life?
And so we had a lot of fun together and we were so instinct as was with March, you know.
So it was tough.
It was really, really tough when he was gone and thank God, Margin, I had each other.
We, I think he came even closer after that, you know, spent a lot of time together.
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I read something about your mom talking about, you know, prejudice.
You know, she experienced around the time of his death and how she really tried to fight that on every level going forward from, from his death on.
Yeah, I know that was, I know she made a point of telling fans or any kind of interview, just got to love them.
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It really, I mean, you've got to love your child, you know, because people, and some people still do have that, you know.
This is a big, big world and different people have different points of view.
And she really did try to, oh, she actually went ahead and yeah, I was working with God's love.
We deliver and some of the other AIDS organizations in New York.
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She worked with, so, and she, you know, she worked with other things too, but that was a big one for her.
And I'll see her in LA too.
Support that.
Well, and you mentioned your daughter was born around his death and her.
And she's getting married on Saturday.
Right. She's getting married on Saturday.
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Yeah.
Yeah, she's, and she's really cool.
She is so independent.
She's an only child.
And I don't know.
She grew up with, with my husband and I and all of our friends.
She's very independent, super smart.
And also, she has the first time she moved her head a little funny like that.
It was just like Randy would do, naturally, as a joke.
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And I saw it and I went, oh my God, that's Randy, you know, she, she has his kind of quirky thing too.
Very observant.
She's a nurse.
She saw what my husband and I do.
She goes, no way.
I don't know anything.
I want something real.
I want a paycheck.
No way.
And we were like, good.
And so she's, she's traveled a lot.
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She's, she's nursed in foreign countries, volunteered.
And it's kind of natural for her.
She's intrigued by that.
She's intrigued by, you know, all kinds of different situations.
They spent Christmas day in one of the biggest slums in Mumbai last year.
Just because they were there.
It was funny.
You know, it's like she had her partner.
They're big, big travelers.
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So, yeah.
So, so.
So, what's incredible?
Well, Deborah, you did follow in your mom's footsteps.
So, I'm curious, what's your earliest memory of realizing what March did for a living?
Well, when Randy and I were little signalling that my mom was on Star Trek that night,
that was a big deal.
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And it wasn't easy to record anything.
So, we would run home with all our friends to watch, you know, get smart, you know, Star Trek.
And, you know, yeah.
I mean, the fact that she was on that show, that's kind of a badge of honor.
Oh, you're not kidding.
That's a question.
You stole Swox, great.
And, yeah.
And when you talk about Nicholas, Nicholas, yeah.
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Right.
And when you talk about a sense of humor, boy, that show she had a great sense of humor.
You know, she there were a lot of scenes where she played a flighty kind of funny mom.
She had a great sense of humor in that show.
Yeah. Yeah. So, where were we?
March.
One second. I think Ron is trying to get in.
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I didn't even know what soap opera was.
(laughter)
I had ... I read ... I was doing South Pacific
at Paper Mill Playhouse outside of New York City.
And I was ... I had committed to myself
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and I was going to work in the city
and not be on the road for a while
because our daughter Charlotte was five at that time.
Little did I know that I would be doing a daytime drama
a classic guiding light.
But fast forward, my last ...
my last one-on-one audition was with Marge
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and with Jill Farron Phelps.
And I remember going into the conference room sitting there
and I was prepared.
And I was really prepared and met Marge
and she was sitting right across from me.
And I asked Jill, I said, "Well, she said, you know,
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if you want to read, to stand, or move around,
whatever you want to sing, you know, you could."
I said, "Okay."
And so we started the scene.
And at that point, and that was the first time
that Jill had ever even knew the hell I was.
So she turned my picture over to read my resume.
And she said, "Oh, I didn't know you could sing it."
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[laughter]
But I remember Marge and I immediately had a connection.
I mean, when we were reading, I mean, we were just ...
we were connected.
And that, you know, you can act.
It's that chemistry thing that nobody really understands
what it is, but they know when they see it or feel it.
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And Marge and I immediately had that.
And she was a sister to me.
She was the big younger sister of whatever.
We never could figure out who was older.
I'll examine her out.
But she and I were very close.
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And I admired that woman so much.
And as I go through ...
And I have gone through ...
Pain, she was in physically during the last ...
Oh God, I'm in years.
Amazed me in the fact that she never complained.
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She never complained a bit.
I would see her standing over on the side of the set
or whatever, doing stretches, stretching her back out, stretching.
And she was an inspiration.
And yes, like I heard the last part of Vince's story.
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Being on the set with her in a scene, it was wonderful.
Because she would get into a monologue or whatever.
And you would say, "Uh-oh, she's gone a little over your ...
And all of a sudden you're starting to listen and pull for her.
And then she somehow gets through the end and it makes sense.
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And then you're lying and you forgot it.
Because you've been walking March.
You're just watching her climb out of that monologue.
And that's not the way she said it.
It's very true.
Yeah, I just was, "Oh my God, she's going to ...
Oh my God, she made it."
And then I'll go, "Oh my God, what's my line?"
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But that's absolutely true.
That's funny.
I want to say thank you to Amy Corbin, who shared a lot of videos.
And a fan Michael shared a 1995 LA Times article with me.
And Marge had this to say to the LA Times about replacing Beverly.
I've always felt once you're doing a part, it is yours anyway.
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If you let the psychology of it say it's not yours, you're doomed.
I couldn't work if I let her ghost follow me around.
Which is really so well said and why we fell in love.
Ron, she then went on to say, "I have to find this."
Give me one sec.
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She said this, "They were describing the incredible chemistry that you and Marge shared."
She said, "Ron, it's a shame."
Marge said, "It's a shame they cannot be lovers."
She says with a laugh.
Yeah.
Marge, do you sister?
That's what my aunt Tilly says.
She wants it to turn out that we are not really related.
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It could happen.
You know our father, Prandt, and she had her past.
I mean, it's phenomenal.
You know, one of the fans I read something earlier from a fan and they talked about they weren't sure they would come to accept Marge as Alexandra.
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And they said, "The minute she slapped you, she was Alexandra."
And I think that happens on this plane ride where you two are on the plane.
Let's take a quick.
Hold on.
We went too far.
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[Music]
[Music]
Alex, Alex, look, look at this way.
It's going to you.
You're a nerve.
It's good news, Alex.
You're not for the host me.
I was even praying for you.
You know that I was making deals with him.
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And your prayers were answered, Alex.
I did lie to you, but I was telling the truth.
But I said I was glad to have my sister back.
Alex, Alex, he has the Alex.
We don't have to hide anything anymore.
No more secrets.
We can walk back into Springfield with our heads held high.
Daughter and son of Brandon Sporling.
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I was just thinking, "I got for you so soon."
I gave you back all your answers.
Oh, the Quora Wally, I did the Vanessa.
And that Mewing, that Flick, and that Buddy got my dross here.
Oh my god.
Oh my god, the garbage that came out of my mouth because I was behind you.
He was like, "What's on, Alex?"
Do you remember that at all wrong?
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Yeah, I started, dude.
Wow.
Yeah.
You're fun.
I went to say something the other day because I don't check that out very...
I never liked watching myself.
Unlike most of the actors on the stage.
On the stage.
But I...
Someone sent something the other day with Philip and Ross and I.
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It was a wonderful scene and I said, "Boy, I don't remember that at all,
but that was a pretty game good scene."
But yeah, I do remember this.
This was near the beginning, obviously.
Yeah.
That damn plane.
I mean, I love it when we were on the plane.
The plane set.
Yeah, that was fun.
It looked like a lot of fun.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But I love the fireworks and the drama.
Oh god.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She definitely had to bring fireworks to a scene without...
Yeah.
Without question.
Oh, of course, of nature.
I love that.
Wonderful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I remember, Deb, I remember one of the last times...
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Well, because we did it a couple of three times.
This is after the show had closed and she was having some physical challenges.
We...
We meaning Bruce Barry, director, Justin, Peter Simon.
I think of Jay Hammer.
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I think Grant as well.
All went over and she had tea.
I said, "Oh, she loved to do tea."
So she had...
We had a tea, you know, all the guys, all of her guys, you know.
And it was really, really so special to be with her.
And...
I was saying she loved her.
She loved her, man.
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She loved her leading man.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, she loved her.
I...
I...
Energy.
She just was so happy.
She could be herself with that.
She loved it.
And loved you guys.
That was such an amazing, amazing.
And she still has that hat.
Or I have it.
Haha.
You know, it's really...
It's something, Deb, because I remember we were going to do a memorial service right before the world shut down.
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Yeah.
Remember, you were going to come to town.
We're going to throw a big and party.
Yeah.
And...
We were going to do the whole thing.
And then COVID, we came back to get the world change.
Everything stopped, and everything--
We ended up doing a family memorial in Kansas for her,
because her sister Mary Ann died two weeks after her,
passed two weeks after her.
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- Oh, I didn't know that.
- Yeah, so we got--
- Now was Mary the one that was always with her?
- Yes, Mary Ann was the one that was with her.
Right.
- Well, I'm gonna be with her.
- Yeah, yeah, so they were wearing her kind of--
She said partly, they had a big family,
and Mary Ann kind of raised her, she said,
"Totter to read and did a lot of things with her."
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And she was very close to Kathy.
Kathy was involved and helped with family.
- Yes, I remember Kathy too.
- Yeah, Kathy was very involved, but Mary Ann
was kind of her right hand person a lot.
- You know, the other wonderful thing, Debbie,
was that, and we all did on the set.
Vince, we love showing pictures of our children
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and bringing them on set or something.
And her and pictures and Deanie, I mean,
she was the best Deanie doing.
All the Deanie's going to, you know,
she was always showing photos of that.
- Yeah, she was--
- Of hers.
- It's so funny, I remember one time,
and I'm not sure she played this crazy drug lord
on one of the shows.
- Is that Vanessa?
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- I'm not sure which one was--
- Maybe.
- That's not familiar.
- I come to the set.
- Alan would know.
- Yeah, I come to the set with my daughter,
who's six, seven years old,
marges in a straight jacket,
walking around.
(laughing)
- Yeah, Alexandra, I don't think
was in a straight jacket.
- I don't think that was in Alexandra.
- I just don't know.
- She was just--
- She was just--
- She was grandma.
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- At one point, I think you're right.
I remember what she'd like totally lost it.
And she was thrown in like a mental institution.
I do remember that.
- Yeah, I remember that.
- Inputed, she was proteus.
- Proteus, that's right.
- On all my children.
- On all my children.
- Ron, I don't know if you heard us,
but Deborah's daughter is getting married this weekend.
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- Right.
- Oh my God.
- Yes, I'm getting a little deemy.
- Yes, my husband has been letting the whole thing.
So, congratulations.
- Yeah.
- That's wonderful.
- She's a very independent woman,
just like just like--
- She was gonna be a nurse or something.
- She is a nurse.
She is a nurse.
- She's very proud of that.
- Yeah.
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- She's very proud of that.
- Very proud of that.
- That's just gonna be proud of that.
- Hard worker, very hard worker,
very, very, well, determined.
- Now, that's a noble profession.
- Yes, isn't it?
- Has it really raised the profile and the last two years?
- Yeah, so she didn't want anything to do
with the make-believe world.
She wanted the real thing.
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That part of the real thing, you know?
- It's one of the jump things.
- This is my husband, David.
- Just, I think it is.
- And fantastic listening to you guys.
It's really great.
But I just wanted to chime in saying thank you.
First of all, for doing all this.
- Absolutely.
- But Dina, you know, I'm a film producer
and I produced a film where too,
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and Marge acted and wanted to.
And she was great, but I remember taking Dina
to New York to hang out with Marge.
And Marge was like one of my favorite people to hang out with.
But she was very much anti-main.
- To a such a huge degree that I think Dina saw a world
that was kind of make-believe,
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but also beautiful and funny and pretty one life.
And that made the story of what she wanted to be coming first.
- Right, right.
- She's like, "Oh, I can't try to replicate this."
You know, like, "Who could, you know?"
Anyway, thank you guys so much.
Thank you very much.
- Oh, I love that.
I love that.
- I love it.
- I love it.
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- It's a privilege to talk about
- I love that.
- I love that.
- I love that.
- She's too bad that you couldn't have about 20 people on here.
Because I mean, she was loved on that set by so many people.
- Sure.
- The tech crew and the ensemble, the actor.
I mean, it was just, it was a, it was a,
I'm so glad that she was in my life, you know?
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My life is better.
- Well, Ron, this is Nicholas who played her son on Capitol.
- Ah.
- Nicholas.
- I just saw her and I was able to get the generated working,
but I'm sorry.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, California.
Deborah, did you, and I made Mr. Early,
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do you have a favorite role of your mom's?
- A favorite role.
What, what a great question.
I, I don't think I have a favorite role.
Whenever she was being her, that was it.
When she was alive, I loved watching her playing
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in the daytime stuff because she got to get so involved
with things like, I mean, I,
a fan mentioned the other night on Facebook
that she was in a show called Phyllis.
I have no idea.
And I thought you seen, it was crazy.
I'd never know.
- The farest leechment show is that one.
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- Yes, I'm not, not ever.
And thank you, the person who did that role.
I watched her scene and the minute she walked in,
there was a presence.
She was strong, she was direct, she had life.
She just, you know, maybe I just had,
it was a very calm, cool sense of humor,
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but such a strong person.
He really had a presence.
And I think I got that in so much of what she did.
I'll probably think of my favorite thing.
I loved the facts of life that she had humor,
but I loved it.
- And you mentioned Star Trek earlier,
that will live forever.
That is a absolute cult classic, you know?
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- Absolutely.
- She will be a trekkie for life.
- Right, right, right, absolutely.
She's done every show that you could do in the 70s,
like the 60s and 70s that was popular.
Even, yeah.
- I remember Grand Alexander Callamy,
said, "Did you see Marge on Gunsmoke?"
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- Oh.
(laughing)
- She's gone.
- She looked great.
I said, "Well, we should have known sooner."
(laughing)
- She did, she did, she did, yes.
- She did, she did, she did,
she did, she did, she did,
while well west, she did, she did,
I would read her role as the Mademond,
Mademora with James Garner.
I mean, there was so many things.
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- Wow.
- You never stopped working.
- She was around, what's really happening?
- Oh, yeah, she never, she was always working.
And I just, I even just watching
or something new last night, it just tickled me.
And I remember one time,
I, this is a strange thing.
I remember one time, I'm kind of good with voices,
listening to voices.
And one time there was a,
and I was figure out who it is.
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There was a radio out on it.
I was going as a bank commercialist.
Who is that?
Like, look at that.
It's so familiar, but I keep,
I went, "Oh, it's my mother."
(laughing)
I was like, "You know, she was everywhere."
And she grabbed you.
You know, she grabbed me.
And her sense of humor, I think, in life was probably,
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you guys got to be,
I think you guys had so much fun playing with her.
You know, there's a lot of work,
a lot of work, but it's a heightened level
of being with someone and the laughing,
and the joy, and, you know, what a great,
I envy that you guys got to know her in that way.
I really do.
Yeah.
Sure.
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Well, everyone talks about her infectious laugh.
Everyone who worked with her talks about.
Right.
And, you know, sort of the,
the right word, the bodiness of Marge behind the scenes,
you know, she could let it, let it, let it out
in the makeup room and that.
That's it rip, you know?
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Yeah.
And I think bodiness is a very appropriate word,
a sense of humor.
And she had that down home thing about her.
That's what was interesting.
I remember my stepmother.
Russell Kansas.
Russell Kansas.
My, yes, Russell Kansas.
It really was that value, you know,
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of you're no bigger than anybody else.
You know, you put your bootstraps on,
you get your job done.
And my stepmother actually said about her
when she got to know her and they loved each other.
And she said, she said,
which is, which is rare.
Yeah.
And she knows what about your mom?
She's sweet.
And I was like, sweet.
That's not a word people use a lot,
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but she's got a good heart.
So she doesn't, she's not, doesn't have a bad,
she's not negative about people.
She really never got,
she'd never had that part of her.
And I really love that, you know,
it was observations about people,
but she never had that kind of vein in her.
And I, I think that allowed her to be who she was really big
and feel safe with it, you know,
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in a way that the fans just said she also tangled
with JRUing on Dallas.
She did?
Yeah.
Why didn't know that?
I didn't know that.
I wonder.
They, they, they know it all.
That's right.
Yeah, they, they know it all.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and really, you know, Ron,
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thanks to the character of Alan passing away.
She got to really nail it at the end of "Guyding Light" as well.
Yeah.
You know, she, she, she went out,
out of Springfield with a bang.
And it was nice that "Guyding Light" gave Jay Hammer
the opportunity to take her on her European trip.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, such, just warms my heart,
talking about her.
You know, what, what, what do you,
well, could you imagine her thinking this would be happening?
And what, what do you think she'd say hearing all of you talk?
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Oh, "Guyding Light"
What, what do you say?
I said, "Guyding Light"
But she was shooting one.
Yeah, I agree.
I think she would be heartened by it.
Don't you, Deb?
Oh, I, I think she, I think she would be heartened,
but I think she would be shy, you know, too.
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Yeah.
You know, I think she'd be shy about that.
But was there a side side to your mom?
Um, not really.
I don't think she, I think deep down she,
there were some insecurities, but shyness,
I don't, I don't know if she had shyness, you know.
She knew she was, she was modest when she,
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you know, she was, she was well rounded, you know.
She, she, she give you any advice with you following
in this path that she was on?
No, she said, uh, if that's really what you want.
She said, "I never, I, when I was young,
I said I want to be an actor, she goes great.
When you're old enough to drive yourself to interviews,
to do all that, I'm not going to be that mom that does that."
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She didn't, she was not into that at all.
I don't blame her, you know.
Thank God she didn't, I was, I was not ready to do that,
or, or, interest didn't that.
But, but the main advice, she always gave me,
which I read it simple and true, she said,
"Trust your instincts, just trust your instincts."
Because that's really, you know, that's where you can't go wrong, you know.
(53:27):
So that, that was her main advice to me,
that I always appreciated, you know.
So, when she-- - She was a fan of her best, um, Jon asked, could she enjoy her last years,
was she able to enjoy them, or was she in too much physical pain?
Uh, I, I don't think she enjoyed, when she had, she had friends over
(53:51):
and when she had energy, but no.
To me, that was, that was so sad,
because she, she had everything going for her, you know,
she was a member of the academy, she could go to screening,
she was invited everywhere, just so it was, it was really tough, you know.
It was really tough.
And her body had given her, you know, a hard time throughout her life,
different things, you know, just to have her,
(54:14):
but it had done that.
So that was unfortunate, you know.
She traveled, you know, we brought her back to LA,
got a Holy Set of Doctors, what can we do?
It just, her back, there was something wrong,
if it's a coincidence, it was causing her problems.
You know, that was my, that was my memory of it too, to be honest.
Yeah.
I was like, I went to see her in her apartment,
(54:36):
um, that her, her condo that she lived, I think, was like 56th Street,
right by the time she got home,
right to visit her one day, and she's in so much pain.
Yeah.
It was, that was, that was tough to see her life, because she was so vivacious,
she was really well as a human being,
she was just, she had so much life in her,
and to see that this debilitating condition was, was taking its toll on her.
(55:01):
And I remember the last time I spoke with, with March,
I remember the date actually, it was September 11th and 2019,
because I was, I was, I was in New York for one night,
and I was staying at a hotel right across the street from the twin towers,
where they had fallen, and it was the anniversary, obviously,
it was on September 10th that I went there on the 11th.
(55:22):
I was only there for the night, was there with my girlfriend,
Ivan, and spent the day there, and on the way out,
because I had heard that she was really not doing well, March,
and I was driving to my airport, and I called her.
It was the last time I spoke with her,
called to see how she was doing, and just, you know,
just to connect with her, and to remember my support over the phone at the very least,
(55:45):
because I wasn't in New York for long enough.
And we had a really nice talk while I was in the car right going into the airport,
and that was the last time I spoke with March.
That's wonderful. That meant a lot to her, that really meant a lot to her.
Yeah, I just, my heart was going out to her,
because I knew that she was really kind of going towards her.
(56:06):
Yeah, that was, that was just unfair,
that it, that's what, what it ended up being just unfair, you know?
Yeah, you know, one time, one time I was on a,
a group of us were talks, I don't, an interview or something.
And they were going around saying, you know, who are your heroes in the business?
And who are your idols and blah, blah, blah?
(56:30):
And we all came up with something,
and Justin D said, "March to say is my hero."
No, no.
And we all went, "Yeah, she's our hero too."
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, she loved him.
She loved him too. She loved you guys.
(56:52):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
She really did.
She was magic with every man she worked with, really.
Absolutely. I mentioned Jay.
I mean, people loved Fletcher and Alex together,
and both, you know, when it was Beverly as well,
but both, they loved it so much.
Is there anything Vincent, Nicholas, even Ron,
that you learned from March,
(57:14):
just even the last time?
Any time I complain about anything, I think about Marja.
I say, "Wait a minute. You have nothing to complain about."
You know, I mean, there are people who are in real pain,
and you're not.
And so, draw strength from their courage,
and which I have many times.
(57:38):
Absolutely.
I remember one time that it stuck with me.
It was very simple.
It was sort of the day or the week that we were all notified
that we were being booted out and replaced by bold and beautiful.
And she looked at me, and I looked at her.
(58:02):
We didn't say anything, but she just whispered.
What did you say?
Keep laughing.
Keep laughing.
Meaning, don't let the bastards grind you down.
I think.
But it was so intimate.
(58:23):
It was just whispered to me, and I was like,
"Wow, okay. I'll keep laughing because it's better than crying."
Yeah?
Yeah.
That's interesting that you would say that,
I believe when she was going through the loss of her son,
your brother, Deborah, that I believe that that was probably a philosophy
(58:45):
that she had that carried her through that.
It wasn't to keep laughing, but to find the joy in what she was doing.
Right.
That seemed to at least gird her during those that so difficult time.
And I, so I find inspiration in that,
and having had the opportunity to work very closely with her during that time,
(59:07):
to see that she found some solace, some strength during this,
which was this period that was devastating for her.
Right.
It was clear that.
I was going to leave, said, I could see that.
That was some respite for the period of time,
when she was putting her heart and sold into the work,
and finding the joy in what she was doing there.
(59:29):
And I could see that still the moment that she finished that had its toll.
And I think that the sister was there for her too.
Right.
I do think that's interesting because we off in my husband and I talk about her,
and she marked was a survivor.
She was a survivor.
And I think that what you were saying Vincent about her putting it into the work,
(59:50):
I think she actually felt and knew is she didn't do that.
She'd go crazy.
And she didn't want to be a waste of bother.
Anybody with crazy, so she might as well go forward and do that in a way.
You know what I mean?
Yes, I think that.
I kind of, that's how I see it for her.
Yeah.
She's her grieving, her grieving in her way of dealing with it was through her work.
(01:00:13):
Yeah.
Thank God she had work.
Absolutely.
Right.
Right.
In this business where it's up and down,
what a blessing we had it at that difficult moment in her life.
Right.
Exactly.
A whole new new side with you guys in, you know, the East Coast.
(01:00:35):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And all I wanted to mention that that plane scene was what she submitted when she was nominated for an Emmy in 1995.
That was one of the.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was chewing some, chewing some airplane.
(01:00:58):
Yeah.
Janice mentioned that Marge was such a great lady.
She called me on July 4th, 2019 to sing Happy Birthday to me.
I'll always remember that.
You know, all that gas lighting stuff too.
All that gas lighting stuff where she was.
That was some of the funniest scenes because some of the things.
(01:01:22):
Like crazy said, oh my god, how are we going to get through this?
You know, but that was that was Alan.
No, no, you take this.
No, Alan.
You take this.
It's just some tea.
It'll be.
I mean, we would.
We.
Yeah.
You're.
Oh, God, she made me laugh.
(01:01:43):
And I got to look that up.
I got to look it up.
Thank you all so much for doing this.
There's a little photo montage that Deborah shared some photos that I will play.
But thank you all.
This really has meant so much to the fans.
Your mom is beloved for all of the roles she played, but especially Capitol Santa Barbara.
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I think it's been a while.
I think it's been a while since I was a child.
I think it's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
It's been a while since I was a child.
I was a child.
this is wonderful. What a great celebration. Yeah, we hope you have a beautiful beautiful
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ceremony on Saturday. And I'm so glad you found me Debra. I'm so glad that this
was wonderful. It's wonderful to see you Debra. And I feel like I'm looking at a marry your mother
in a way. I know. In your visits there, you're beautiful.
I wish. Thank you. Thanks again everybody. Absolutely.
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Bye, Vance. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Bye, bye.
Bye.
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