Are Christmas Movies Getting Worse? From White Christmas to Bad Santa with BLA

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
The hell.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. At this point,
this is an annual Christmas review. I'm joined by my friend,
scholar and author Baselet Analyzer. How you doing today, sir?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
What's uping man? Merry Christmas tradition?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, you know this stream? You messaged me. We've been
what is this the fourth? This is the fourth or
fifth year we've done a Christmas movie review, and we've
kind of already hit what Home alone. We've hit basically
all the major ones, and so we've hit the big ones.
Tonight we're going to be focusing on kind of a

(00:55):
hodgepodge of movies. I titled the Stream and bla both,
and I titled the Stream Our Christmas movie is getting worse.
And I've put a posted a poll here on my
YouTube channel on which of the four movies you guys
think is the better Christmas movie? White Christmas, which I
would I would argue is a Christmas classic. It's a
timeless film jingle all the way, which I'm already seeing

(01:17):
people in the chat feeling that is by far the
superior Christmas movie, and then actually the most voted one
right now, well actual actually it's tied it was The Grinch,
and the Grinch is arguably bla correct me if I'm wrong.
It is actually the most popular Christmas film.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes, besides Home besides Home Alone.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
But even even Home Alone, the cartoon Grinch is the
number one, and then oh yeah, carry Grinch is number
three in regards to all time sales or revenue.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's huge. I mean it helps that
the cartoon, you know, gives it some provenance, and also
that it's a they say, I'll say, they say, a
beloved children's story. We'll get into that. But uh, but yeah,
you know you were saying, I mean people are gonna say,
what about Home Alone. We've covered Home Alone, we covered
die Hard last year, We've.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Covered die Hard, Christmas Movie, We've covered eb Christmas, Christmas Carol,
We've covered Christmas Story, we covered Christmas Vacation.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, we covered uh, what's the one with Jimmy Stewart.
It's a it's a the Bell Rings. We covered that.
We were covering them for for a few years. So
we were kind of thinking of what are what are
we going to cover? Because when you actually look into it,
you would think that there are like millions of Christmas

(02:38):
movies but there really aren't. There really aren't that many movies.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't even know what we're gonna do for next year.
I mean the Cranks, Christmas with the Cranks.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, we got to do the Tim Allen, we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah we have, we done Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
No, we haven't done that one. We considered it for
this year, so we will. We definitely haven't done that though,
because next year, yeah, yeah, next year. We'll have to
see if this trend of like Nordic blood soaked Christmas
movies continues, because that that is something that started last
last year, which is interesting because you've covered I mean

(03:13):
you've done a lot of Christmas streams and streams on
Saint Nick and a long time ago. The real ones
will know the folks at home that you covered a
long time ago. You covered uh, the the Mushroom. Yes, yes, yes, yeah,
you covered that years ago. So I will see if that,

(03:35):
if that trend continues. I don't know right well, Yes,
Satan clause is something that keeps coming up.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right in the fourth movie, and and here's the irony,
and we're we're gonna break all this stuff down. Actually,
I think Bla's and he hasn't told me explicitly which
of the four is his favorite. But Bad Sanna the
fourth movie that we're reviewing today, White Christmas Jingle All
the Way with Arnold Towarzenegger, The Grinch both Jim Carrey

(04:03):
and cartoon, and then Bad Santa. Yeah, I know Bad
Santa is kind of near and dear to your heart,
is it not?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, I do. I do love this. I love
that movie. It's yeah, I love that movie. It's so
it's so depraved, it's he's the worst, he's the worst,
but that makes it the movie ends up having heart.
It's actually not the worst of the movies in my opinion,

(04:31):
and we'll get into that when we cover it. But
but well, I like Bad Santa a lot. And last year.
Last year was with my family and I said, you're
gonna love this movie. You guys never seen this. I
sat down with my family to watch Bad Santa, and
they did not laugh.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I was like, oh, no, okay, I mean that is
kind of the vibe of the movie. It's it's whether
it's your thing or not. I will say, you know,
I watched it with my wife. She thought some of
the parts were like shockingly funny. So it wasn't like
she was totally in on the jokes obviously, you know,
but she thought, oh that's funny. I think Thurman. Merman

(05:04):
is by far the star of the movie. Uh yeah,
like the way that he is like so excited and
asking uh, you know, Billy Bob Thornton questions and he's
like mfan him out and like customing him out and
are you fucking with me?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yes, yeah, he's uh, he's uncorrupted, which is interesting exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's that was actually my point about that that movie
is Yeah, that was the dialectic there. So all right,
well to begin because today's gonna be a little bit different. Previously,
when Bla and I have done movie reviews, and not
only the four years in a row of doing Christmas movies,
but all the movie reviews we've done together, sponsored streams

(05:49):
and voluntary amongst ourselves, we typically will click through the
movie to really give you, you know, uh, a point
by point overview of the movie. And what the emphasis
is is we have four movies today, we can't do that,
and I've got i mean, from Mozart to die Hard,
all these different movies. I get my videos get tagged

(06:10):
and then they get taken down from YouTube, and then
you have to go and try to cut it out
so that they'll actually put the video back up on YouTube.
So we are not going to be clicking through any
of the four movies today. It's more gonna be a
general conversation about these four movies, which you would think
are kind of desperate. They really don't have any connections

(06:31):
White Christmas at nineteen was it nineteen fifty four? Fifty
six film talk, you know, and it obviously much more wholesome.
It's kind of a musical, has a different, different vibe
to it. You get Jingle all the Way with Arnold
Schwartzenegger and it's kind of a I don't know, a
slapstick comedy with Simbad about you know, getting the right

(06:54):
toy for his son. And then you have Bad Sanna,
which is filled with profanity and is really is sort
of the anti it's an anti Christmas Christmas movie. And
then you have The Grinch, and I will confess here,
I was talking about this with Bla before this stream
actually when we decided which movies to do. I've never

(07:16):
been a Grinch fan, and it's blown me away and
my wife too, she's not a big fan of The Grinch.
We've watched We've watched it a couple times now. It
does have kind of have a wholesome ending at the
end of the movie, but I've just never been a
big Grench fan, and it's surprising that. Honestly, if you
include the cartoon and the movie with Jim Carrey, it's

(07:37):
the biggest Christmas movie. I mean, the only one that
rivals it is Home Alone one and two. Home Alone
one and two is technically the second and the third
most profitable Christmas movies over. Number one is the cartoon Grinch.
Number four is The Grinch with Jim Carrey. So I

(07:58):
think it's pretty interesting how that one is really kind
of grab American culture and is kind of indignive. I mean,
you go to Prime like, The Grinch was one of
the few Christmas movies that Amazon Prime like had for free.
You know, there's a handful, but a lot of them
you have to pay for this year. So if you're
a subscriber to the Disney Plus, which I don't recommend

(08:18):
but it's part of my Hulu package, you get a
lot more for free. But anyways, before we get into
anything specific regarding these movies. What's your bla over to you?
What is your macro level analysis or how do you
want to begin kind of diving into these four very

(08:39):
desperate films, and all of which you could view wholesome
in a different way.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah. I think that the four films, like you said,
are disparate, and they kind of go through four different
stages of Christmas movie. This is a good selection. It's
a pretty good wide range, wrote wide ranging selection. And
I think that White Christmas is the peak of these four.

(09:08):
And we were watching it at Thanksgiving, and it's sort
of a Christmas tradition with my family. We've always watched it.
My sister especially loves White Christmas. We've loved it since
we're little kids. But my sister especially loves it because
she likes There's a song in the movies that where
they say sisters, and she loves singing that song. She
loves singing sister sisters. And she knows the whole she

(09:29):
knew the whole dance when she was little and stuff
it's and that sort of is indicative of what the
film is about. I won't get too deep into what
the film's about right now, but I will say it's
a It is an absolutely wholesome film from beginning to do.
There's one part that's that bothers me in the movie,
but the rest of the film, I mean, it is
a wholesome film. You could watch the movie and not

(09:51):
you're not worried about any sort of modern you know,
postmodern ironic creepiness coming into it is completely It has no.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's unadopted by it is modern modern dispositions.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, it has no biting irony in the film. There's
nothing really cynical in the movie. And it is a
post war It is a a It functions as a
kind of propaganda World War two, propaganda movie in post
war America. But it gets to a point where we
get past that, we get that This is when you
think of the you know, the show. I'd like to

(10:30):
describe this by thinking of the show Seinfeld. The way
that Seinfeld described the show was basically that this will
make sense in a second that Seinfeld. The way they
wanted their sitcom was basically that there was no internal
drama like there is in Friends or any other sitcom.
They wanted it to be the happy place, so that
even the bad things kind of go right in sitcom world,

(10:52):
and that's sort of what happens in White Christmas. It's
a world that's Christmas y. Yeah, and all of it
is you know, when you watch it as an adult,
you know that this is a Hollywood production. It's all
in sound stages and sets, and it's beautiful. It's a
beautiful film. And even the musical elements of the movie.
You know, I'm not really a fan of musicals. I'm
sure people in the audience probably are not either. Maybe

(11:14):
you maybe you are, but but but it actually has
a purpose in this movie, and it it functions as
a kind of expression of joy in the movie. And
so I think that's sort of the peak. I really
think that the lowest point out of these four is
actually the Grinch. I think that the Grinch. It's funny
that we were talking about.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I thought you would go with Jingle all the Way.
I'm really surprised. So I thought you would have been
very hyper critical of Jingle all the Way, which I
actually when we get into that movie specifically, I have
a defense for it.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, I see. I think that Jingle all the
Way is not I don't I'm not a fan of it.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I don't like I wouldn't suspect you are just knowing you.
I didn't suspect you would have been Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Really, I really disliked the movie a lot. It doesn't
it doesn't make me feel any not that it's just feelings,
but it has it. It lacks a lot of the
substance that the other movies do in terms of its
of a of a of a sort of Christmas spirit
and it's and it becomes something that's totally uh monetized,

(12:17):
I mean the whole and like you talk about, I mean,
it is a it is really one of the keystone
movies in the de masculinization of films that it's really
pretty egregious. But the The Grinch, to me is absolutely ghoulish.
And it is that on the surface, but it goes

(12:38):
beyond that. I think that The Grinch is a depraved
uh jo You're.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Gonna upset so many people? Is the most the best
Christmas movie according to my audience right now, it's it's
hard way.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
The Grinch is a depraved, macabre grotesque. It's a it's
a dance macaw of absolutely hallucinatory, hellish depravity. I can't
tell you how much I hate this movie. And and
and listen in all in all, just to be honest

(13:13):
here with the audience, I didn't. I've never seen Jim
Carrey's Grinch movie. We tried to watch last night. I
sat down and I was like, I gotta do this
for research purposes. We watched three minutes of it and
I and we cut it off. We could. I could
not watch it. It really yeah, I could not watch it.

(13:34):
And not only that, but I've always hated the Grinch.
I've always I'm not I don't like Doctor Seuss, I
don't like nonsense tales. I don't like inversion in weird
Wonky Lewis Carroll type universes. It's it's kind of disgusting
to me. I never never. When I was a kid,
and you know, my parents wanted to read me green

(13:55):
exam and I was like, what, why the why is
the what are the eggs green? Why is it? What's
what's it with the hand? What's up with this? I
was a base child, I said, what's up? To listen?
I was like, Grinch, deceiver, a devil. So I can'tnot
stand the Grin. I can't stand it, which is funny

(14:17):
because bat Sanna is a worst movie on the surface,
but that doesn't purport to be anything else. That is
that is on its surface, on its surface, it's bad.
It's a bad movie about a bank, you know, about
a safecracker and a guy just with no values who
actually has some values. So so listen, if you love
the Grinch, good for you. I I I understand, I

(14:39):
do understand it. And and it is very popular now,
especially amongst gen Z and younger and younger. And that's
because of exactly what's in the movie. The sort of
capitalized thing like if you can buy if you can
buy pajama bottoms with the Grinch on him, that sort
of says it all. You can't. Nothing else will sell that.

(14:59):
But the Grinch is very it's also cross racial, and
it's cross cultural because it's a creature.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, and he's green, exactly, yes, and he's green. So
although I didn't see any African Americans around the you know,
Cindy Lee, who all the all the townspeople, well I noticed.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
In those three minutes that Cindy lu who is the
only one without a mutated face, all of the rest
of them have these rat faces. What's the deal you deal?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Come on, I would have suspected you had a little
bit more stamina to get through three minutes now of
Jim Carrey's Now the grin Stole Christmas.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
No, I hate it. I see it as I'm not
gonna say what kind of propaganda it's it's it's so bad, dude,
I don't. I don't. Also, I did you know we
noticed that, Bill, Yeah, well look, you know in those
three minutes, I also noticed that it's the opposite of

(16:00):
the store of the book because in the book, well
we actually my wife not to say in the in
the book, the the what do they call the who people?
The revilions? The who people are not materialistic. Christmas is
uh giving a holiday full of spirit. It's not. They're

(16:20):
not going crazy over presents, and it's not presented. It's
the total opposite in the film.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
That is a good point. That is a good disparity
between the film and the book.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
And it also it also makes it so it's up
to the child to critique the adults in the movie,
which which can be that there could be a way
of making that more more Christmas oriented, because after all,
Christmas is about a little child. It's about the baby Jesus,
you know, and there could be a way of doing that,

(16:52):
but in this it's not. It's it's that the child
notices that everyone is uh completely obsessed with gift giving.
And also it begins, it begins with this ghoul. For
the first thing he's doing is eating an onion in
the movie. You know, I mean, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's the point man, that he like, he's repulsed. And
that's where Cindy Loeu who you know, I mean, really
the only wholesome takeaway because I've seen Jim Carrey's Grinch.
I've seen the cartoon version. I've never actually read the book,
so you've got me there, BLA. So thank you Bease
lit Analyzer for bringing the literary value of the Grinch

(17:32):
to the table tonight. But you know, and the Jim
Carrey version, it's Cindy lu who who sees the creature
the Grinch, the most repulsive individual eating glass, you know,
obsessed with people's misery and making sure Christmas doesn't come
to fruition. And she sees humanity although you know, is

(17:53):
a human it's hard to actually tell, but she can
see through the facade and she actually makes him, you know,
the the the spokesperson, the ambassador of Christmas that season,
and so I think it does have a wholesome takeaway.
And if you actually had the gall to withstand the
film and watch it to the end, he steals Christmas

(18:16):
and then he gives Christmas back because of Cindy luho
and and her bringing the Christmas spirit to him and recognizing,
you know, again, his humanity underneath it all. But even
even with all that.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
This is the Grinch is Grendel living inside the mountain
coming to terrorized rof guard. I mean, that's what it is.
And it would be one thing if the village were
there were elements of the village that were rotten. But
for the most part, you know, Cindy is reflecting the

(18:56):
It's weird to me that the whole town is like that,
and that she's the one person who remains on corrupted,
and and that the Grinch's whole purpose is eating children.
So yeah, I mean, this sort of works in a
kind of medieval fairy tale.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
And that's something they leave out in the Jim Carrey movie. Right,
they do not emphasize the Grinch as eating children.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
They mentioned it at the beginning, though they do mention
it eats children, ye know, he lived. Yeah, so I
believe you it's Jim Carrey playing it. I mean, it
might be its method acting. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
The way that So I want to address all four
movies on their on their own merit here, but I
the way that I perceived after watching all four and
in preparation for today's stream, I would argue that the
archetypal Christian or Christmas movie obviously is White Christmas and

(19:55):
then Jingle all the Way. And I'm going to make
a defensive Jingle all the Way. Although it's not my
favorite Christmas movie, I know for some people it is.
There's a couple of people in the chat here that
says Jingle All the Way is one of the best
Christmas movies. I will grant you that Jingle All the
Way is very consumeristic, right. It's about a toy. It's
kind of like a power Ranger type figure. And the

(20:18):
father aren't on Tortzenegger, so busy with life, so busy
with business making money. It does kind of play upon
the man who's more focused on money and success than
the recognition of his own family. He's missing, he's missing
like his his kid's new karate accomplishments and getting you know,

(20:39):
elevated to a new belt. But he's a masculine man.
He comes to the rescue. He's he's intent on trying
to provide the Christmas he wants. This he does end up,
you know, attempting to steal the toy from his neighbor's
Christmas tree, which, honestly, which is the actor who plays the.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Neighbor, Phil Hartman.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Phil Hartman, I knew was Phil. He's got his last
name Hartman. I think he's the best character in that movie.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Phil Hartman is the best character in that He makes
you want to hate him, you know, that slimy sort
of sleeves ball, like, you know, trying to get with
Arnold's wife. But just like in Bad sand I think
Thurman Merman and I don't know the kid, the child's
actor's name. I think he's the best act. He's the best,
in my opinion, the best character in Bad Santa. Phil Hartman,

(21:30):
I think is the best character in Jingle all the way.
But I would say in the mid nineteen nineties, Arnold
Schwarzenegger as a father ends up being the superhero that
his son wants. A doll of it's kind of like
a heroic father, you know, like your father comes to
the rescue and you actually elevate the perception of your
father in the end, like you know, the son gives

(21:52):
away the toy to Simbad for his son because he
doesn't need the toy because his dad is the action figure.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, I think that jingle all the way? Is it?
I did? I mean, look, one reason I don't like
the film is because it sort of came after me.
And uh, I was sixteen or something when the movie
came out. I wasn't really interested. I wasn't interested in
Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
At this point, I can remember the name of the
action figure Turbo Man.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, Turble Turble turrible Man. He he. This movie represents
the final, final clean break between the eighties and the
nineties or the eighties and onward with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Uh.
And the reason for that is that we went from
red heat terminator Terminator to Predator. True Lives. True Lives

(22:54):
sort of represents that because True Lives is getting into
sort of action comedy territory. But then we have movies
like Junior, even Kindergarten Cop where he's playing into it.
He's playing he's trying to play. You know, he's a comic,
he's a comic role. But this movie sort of represents
the final break between eighties masculinity and later on the

(23:15):
real fall off of Arnold. I mean, this was this
was the end. This was it. And one of the
reasons is because with the with the comedic Arnold Schwarzenegger
movies where he's playing against type and he's playing a
comic figure, even even junior or whatever, where he's a
he's he's a man woman giving birth. I mean, that's
a grotesque thing. But this is much more subtle, and

(23:36):
it represents the final fall I think of the Arnold
hero and and and that's a very you can argue
against that. You could say, like you were saying that
he's a mask. He is a masculine protagonist in this,
but the way that it's the subtle way that his
family is kind of subverted because of his attention to

(23:58):
his job, which is a very which is a very
difficult thing to kind of fall off of a movie.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And the way he's a salesman, he's kind of a
sleazy salesman. Right at the beginning of the movie, You're
my best customer. You know, he says it to his wife.
So he's in the salesman move.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
You know, I just I know that there are people,
and I know I know people in really I don't
have children. We don't have children, so I I but
I know, I don't feel like you have to be
a father to understand that. You know that when he
is working his ass off, he misses his son's cry.
It's bad that he misses his thing. I mean, look,
I can say that. You know, I'm blessed with parents
who never ever missed my stuff. Like they never missed events,

(24:40):
they were never late to anything, they never I mean
it was idyllic that way, and I'm very lucky that way.
But he's working his ass off to try to you know,
to afford the family that he does, and he gets
home and his son completely blanks him in the room
and he's like, shut up, dad from you, you know,
and I and I just thought, you know, your dad's

(25:01):
doing the best he can, man, And how dare you
talk to your father that way? My dad's a loser,
you know, get the fuck out of here. This is
this is a very nineties thing that happened. And then
it has sort of arked its way all the way
into at least he's not a completely absent father. At
least he's there, but it really does emasculate him for

(25:24):
the rest of the movie. There are there are funny
parts in the movie, and there are good parts. I
really like sit I like the fact that I don't
like Sinbad in this movie, but I like the fact
I like the fact Sinbad is in the movie.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
You don't like, you don't like character in the movie,
but you like the fact in the movie.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I do like the fact he's in the movie because
there's a great scene. There is a great scene, and
this is where he does. He does something that I do,
which is that do you remember the scene where they're
having the riot, like in the in the toy store
and the guys like, we've got a we don't have
any turbo man, but we've got ye no man here
for you, and he goes again. Sid's in the crowd

(26:02):
and he goes, wait, don't want it, Wait, don't want it,
and he's he's yelling and he's going, yeah, kill him,
and he starts the riot. I thought that was very
It's very funny to yell things like that when you're
when you're not like the last thing, but to go
we don't want it, and then to kind of look around.
And also you notice that when they're in the diner,

(26:22):
they basically go to the same diners in the big Olebowski,
you know where he says, I can get you a toe.
The Supreme Court is pop prior restraint. He's sitting in
the diner and the two of them are sitting next
to each other. And you noticed that Sindbat is bigger
than Arnold. Did you notice that he's huge? He was,
He's like six six.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I wouldn't realize it was that big.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
He's so he's so you know, Norm again, I gotta
shouts out to my hero Norm. R I P Norm.
Said Norman on tour with Sindbat, and he said he
learned a lot from Sinbat's comedy. He said he memorized.
He would he would memorize his team. You know, he
had it by road and he would go out and
he would go do these jokes. And he went on
tour with Sindbad and right before they went did the

(27:06):
show that night, they went to the store and Sindbad
was like, we all, I gotta go here and get
some socks. So they go in. He's like, you got
any socks and the lady was like, we don't have
any socks. So that night when he went on stage,
norm did his whole routine, nobody laughed. Sinbad goes on
after him. He goes, what's the matter with the town.
They ain't got no socks, and everybody said, yeah, that's right.
Then got no socks And here he just killed it

(27:27):
and it was just just orange hair. So I like Sinbad.
Oh Sinbad. Also, by the way, Sinbad also filmed the
movie here. He filmed it at my school where I
went to school. It was called First Kid. It's a
Disney movie, and that was that was filmed here. That
that actually has that brock guy that is a like

(27:49):
libertarian cat crypto candidate for president. He was also in
that let's say Pizza thing a few years ago that
the creepy thing that guy plays the first kid in
the movie in Sinbad is the secret service agent in
the movie. So I thought, when I was a kid,
you know, two of my friends are extras in the movie.

(28:09):
I thought that was pretty I can see him in
the background walking around. That's pretty cool. But other than that,
I mean it's like, you know, I did notice that
the movie did uh Jingle all the Way did give
us a bunch of stuff. It gave us Mega mind.
Did you notice he plays mega mind? Yeah, so he
plays mega mind. There's no mega mind. He plays mega mind.
He's got the brain and the thing. It also, I'm
not sure if it predates Toy Story, but it certainly

(28:32):
is toy Story. It also is a It is also
a kind of proto Black Friday. Black Friday's been around
for a long time. I think it came out.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Of Phil Jingle All the Ways, one year after Toy
Story Toy Stories five Jingle All the Ways nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Okay, so so so you know the two wait, what
was not ninety five?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
NII all the Way?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay, So so it comes after and it's sort of same,
same world. But it's certainly a proto Black Friday. You know,
the black people that are young don't really understand that.
But Black Friday was not a named shopping holiday for
all this time. It sort of came around in the
early two thousands, especially post nine eleven world. It was

(29:18):
not it was not a thing that people called Black
Friday or that they had like as an event and
this astely, yeah, and this movie sort of typifies it,
but I think that it's certainly the movie also is
important because it really did give us the dumb ass dad,

(29:38):
and this is something that he.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Does have a heroic arc. Though here's my bullet points
and maybe we'll go over him, but for Jingle, all
the way, the father is absent, overworked, and ashamed because
he's aware of his absentee. That's where, you know, the beginning,
he gets pulled over. He's rushing, he's aware that he's
not fully in his family's life. Love is measured by

(30:03):
performance and acquisition. That's where the sun's upset, and you
know he needs to have this toy. Masculinity is anxious, frantic,
and externally validated at first, right to the point where
you're talking about the room, the scene in the bedroom,
and he's totally sort of admonishing and and and and
demeaning his father, and then meaning is outsourced to objects.

(30:25):
It's a very consumeristic film. I mean, the whole premise
is that to make your son happy, you got to
get Turboman, and Turboman's the hottest gift, and all the
kids are gonna get it. At his neighbor who's divorced,
has already got it for his son and is already
bragging back it's only the hottest gift ever. And uh,

(30:45):
and then I I the last points is that parents
are crushed by the economic pressure. Uh. The masculine father
has a heroic journey from absentee to doing anything to
provide the crew Smith's experience for his son. He actually
then rescues his son from sinbad, you know, and catches

(31:07):
him why he falls after, you know, escaping the grasp
of Mega mine. And then identity though, is reduced to
roles and optics because even in the validation of Arnold
Schwarzenegger as the heroic father, it's only because of the
role of him playing Turboman. Right, So Turberoman still supersedes

(31:30):
Arnold as father and masculine hero. And it's only because
he assumes the role of Turboman that he's able to
reacquire that identity from his son. So I basically agree
with you, although I'm not so hard on jingle all
the way it does have I mean, the ultimate takeaway
is that you know, he has a submissive wife. He

(31:53):
has a devout wife. She's not interested in Phil, you know,
the neighbor. But she wishes he was more present. She
wishes he was more active in the life of her
and the boy, his son.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
When she when she says let's she's like, oh, maybe
you'll get catch us later or something. Hey, Phil Hartman,
you want to go out for a ride or whatever.
I thought that was pretty wild. I mean, I get
it within that I'm being I mean, pretty harsh on
the movie, like you said, but but you know you are.
I knew.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I listen to me, but knowing you, I expected White
Christmas and Bad sand Witch are like diametrically imposed films
would be your favorite.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
And jingle all the way in The Grinch, I knew
that jingle all the way.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I didn't. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
We talked briefly that we neither one of us are
big Grinch fans. That I just had in my expectations
day that he's going to totally destroy jingle all the way.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah. But listen when he gets home and Phil Hartman
is on the roof putting Christmas lights up, and it's
like somebody, I'm like, this guy's getting Swiss cheese so fast?
Can you believe on the roof of that No, dude,
there's no way get the fuck out of here. There's
no there's no because it wouldn't. It's not like in

(33:10):
Christmas Vacation right where you get the dumb ass dad
on the roof and he's trying to put the stuff
together and the family's watching when he's he's a loser.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
But my favorite Christmas movie, Yeah, there's this.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Whimsy and all Clark wants to do is bring the
family together. In that he's all about family.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
And then when we reviewed it, we highlighted he's a worker,
he provides, he loves his kids, he loves his wife,
and that's the whole premise is, Yeah, he's a goofball.
It's kind of the Homer Simpson archetype. But he actually
is a good dad.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
He is, and he's also he's also masking, I mean,
you know, and his wife loves him. She thinks he's
like the sexiest guy in the world. And yet he's
a family man. You know, he's a he's he's a
pretty wholesome guy. I mean, the scene where he takes
Russ to the mall right and the girls showing off
the underwear is very that's very dad.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
You don't even have the line do your rush.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
That's awesome, but hold on, I did. I did take
some notes. I took I never take notes on movies,
but I did write almost some scraps of paper this book.
I'm reading the mk Ultra Secret.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Pulling out an m k Ultra book. Talk about Jingle
all the.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Way, Yeah, I wrote, I wrote consumer frenzy, Uh, fractured
fairy tale. It's it's at the expense of of secret.
There's secret lust in the movie, something about secret lust. Uh,
presence of objects, restoration of the father figure. There is

(34:42):
a restoration of the father father figure at the end,
which is great, and the fact that he ends up
playing that he is the superhero. It was also weird
because it was very iron Man, I mean iron Man
predates by the way they filmed it was very much
It wouldn't surprise me if they stock footage and iron
Man from Jingle all the Way of all places. And also, yeah, again,

(35:07):
humiliated masculinity, which occurs in this throughout and and you know,
it's one thing we often, especially you often talk about
the subversion of masculine roles, especially in in entertainment. I
mean nineties sitcoms and films really run on this. This
is their this is their currency. But even in something

(35:29):
like you know, like tool Time, right Home Improvement, right,
even that dude who is in the Santa Claus. In
the Santa Claus tim Allen tim Allan, tim Allen is
playing a based home guy who is you know, learns

(35:49):
that literally become Santa Claus. In this one, we have
Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is the paragon of masculinity, especially in
American GLO global culture, and who is a cool He's
he's trying to be a cool dad. But there's the
one thing that I hate is when he walks into

(36:10):
the room. He tries so hard to relate to his
son and he puts on the little karate headband and
he and he you know, does the thing, and his
son rolls his eyes and walks away. And that would
be what the the young kids now say say about cringe,
you know, and and and but it's so it's so
hurtful because you know, he he's going about it. I

(36:30):
don't know how you're supposed to go about it, but
he definitely doesn't go about it the right way. And uh,
he's trying to relate to his son on the same
level and they're not on the same level he is
supposed to. He's he's the dad who's been working and
he and at the at the end of the day,
it's like, look, man, you know, the action figures will
come and go, but you know it's just a fucking

(36:51):
action figure. You're gonna forget it in six months. And
the kid doesn't know that. But but uh, it all
becomes centered on this physical object, on this action figure.
I know it's a metaphor. It's a metaphor for for
capitalism and for hyper capitalism and shortages. At Christmas time,
which seemed to be a whole other thing, a sort

(37:12):
of remember.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Do you remember the tickle me Elmo phenomenon. Oh that
was like a huge Christmas present, that tickle me out.
It reminds me of the Turbo Man, right that everybody
is like frantic to get the tickle me Elmo.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, yeah, this was a This seems to be I mean,
I'm not trying to be conspiratorial here, but here we go. Everybody, Yeah,
this is a like some sort of programmed esthetic terrorism,
right like J J. Jay, Vance, Mattel and Mark Smucker
sitting around going what if we give them the present?

(37:46):
And then we take it away. It's the last minute, right,
All these dumb ass people are trying to go to
Walmart fighting each other for a turbo. Man, I mean,
come on, man, you know you know. Oh, by the way,
you noticed that the kid is the kid who plays
his son is Jake Lloyd. He's Anakin Skywalker.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I did that.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I thought I would throw that in. He's the first Anakin. Yeah,
so hey, hey, hey, a quiz, a trivia quiz to
the audience to see on that how well you know
this stuff?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
There? Let's see all right, Jake got a super chat
over on Bla's chat to answer it.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Jake Lloyd plays the first Anakin. But who plays the
first padme that we see queen Queen Ami Dala? What
actress plays the first pad name?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
What does this have to do with Christmas?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't know, Damn Nerd git your Star Wars crap
out of here. We're talking about Christmas.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
But I think of these movies naturally make it. Kieran Knightley, yo,
real John Connor got it. Kieren Knightley is the first aid.
That's very good. Yeah, most mostly it's Natalie Portman. It's actually, the.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Real John Connor would be the one to get it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Got it after maybe he was nice. Copy of the
real John Connor was the first to actually answer nice.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
That's very good, very good. We got some movie nerds
in the audience. But you know, these movies make you
whimsical and nostalgic, at least they do for me. And
I just I think about what what you know, we
covered Citizen Kane. One of the things that Citizen Kane,
you remember was that the whole story of Citizen Kane

(39:31):
was based around him and Rosebud, and Rosebud ends up
being the memory of the sled that he got for Christmas.
And I think that that that probably said, that probably
says more about more than any of these movies do,
about memory and Christmas and about the importance of of
what toys really represent. I mean, I know that parents

(39:55):
want to provide their children with what they want to
make them happy. You know, they want to they want
to make them happy at Christmas. But when you get older,
I think it's important to keep in mind what these
things really represent, and you know that they like the
closest thing I can relate to with this is the
personal thing here is that when I think of when

(40:17):
I think of Christmas, I think of I'm about to
go back down Mississippi for Christmas. Always go down see
my family and when and we've been doing that for
my whole life. And when I was a kid, we
would go down to see my grandparents, and Christmas Morning
with my grandparents was like everything that this kid Jake wants,
like in I mean, anything I wanted, they gave me.

(40:40):
You know, I was very I was very lucky that way.
But but that'il Brad basically I was. I was a
spoiled brad, bad bad bad boy. I want I don't
want it, don't appreciate it now. But but it's the
fact that I knew this that time that like, you know,

(41:01):
I got like there was one one Christmas when I
got like a Sony Watt a watch Man, which was
like a TV that you could carry around with an
antenta on it, and I thought, this is so fucking cool.
Excuse my language. I thought this was so cool.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
But gosh, when did you enter the navy?

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Man? But I knew at the time that this thing
isn't really that great. I mean, you got to watch it.
It's black and white. And yeah, you can watch four
channels like wherever you want. But it was really the
fact that like I got up and that like my
grand my grandparents gave it to me, you know, that
they went out and got this stuff, and that I
was in the warmth of my entire family being together

(41:36):
with all my cousins and stuff. So you know, I
don't see that in any of these films.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
And well, I want to catch up because the chat
has so many things to say, So let me just
catch up a little bit because I want to get
into White Christmas, because what I was going to say
is the general demarcation that I have regarding these four films.
White Christmas, I would say, is almost the standard of

(42:02):
a Christmas movie. There's really very little I have to
criticize of White Christmas. Jingle All the Way is very
much a sort of late twentieth century American consumeristic take
on what I guess would be a wholesome Christmas movie
with a heroic father. And then you have Bad Santa
and The Grinch, which are sort of like especially Bad

(42:25):
Santa is almost an anti Christmas Christmas movie, and then
you have an anti hero in the Grinch. Of that
whole series, and so I almost demarkeate them as those
those four films. You can separate the two on each
side of the ledger there. But I want to get
into the White Christmas and then I know you have
so much to say about Bad Santa. So before we

(42:49):
do that, Jason been a total crew member for four months, says,
tag team back again. We are back again. You know it.
Pretend Bla's black, like that Arnold hand with the black guy.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
That's like, uh, I'm Sinbad Arnold. Yeah yeah, yeah, uh again.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Check gets a wreck. Now let's begin party on party people.
Let me hear some noise e p h m BLA
in the house. Jump jump, rejoice, Thank you very much, Jason,
really appreciate that, b l A. You know, I gotta say, brother,
I appreciate your friendship man. Legitimately, you know, it's Christmas time.
We have to have a little wholesomeness in the show here,

(43:32):
and so God bless you and Catherine and the new
journey that you guys are on together. Really really happy
for you, man. I appreciate your friendship and I love
doing streams with you.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yeah you are anyway, there's the Sinbad Josiah Elron says,
I'm a Christmas movie fanatic and Wicked Wally.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
He has a fair point here. We all know the truth.
A Garfield Christmas is on the pole because it wouldn't
be fair. What about we need to do? We should
add Garfield Christmas next year? And what do you know
the bishop's wife.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Well, we're gonna you know, we're gonna have to do
the Polar Express with Thomas Hanks.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh my god in Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I've never seen it. I've never seen the Polar Express.
I'm sorry, it's.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Another one I've never got into. I do not know
how Polar Express is so popular.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Well, the Polar by the way, Polar There is a
segue here from Jingle all the Way to Polar Express
because the wife is Rita Wilson. That's Tom Thomas Hanks's wife,
Arnie's wife and Jingle all the way. Fair enough, there
you go. I think I've never seen Polar Express either.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Just out of respect for my friend, Wicked Wally, I
think we'll have to do Guardfield next year. Biggest nub
in town throws in five, says I didn't like them
noses as a child and as a noticer. Now it
makes sense God blessed doctor d pH and b l
A blessed Nativity all. Thank you very much, biggest nubbing
nub in town. And then Josiah La Rond throws in

(45:09):
another ten says, my heart is full. I have been
running a towel or two. I've been running to drive
for kids at hospital for two months. Seventeenth year, WWE
delivered twenty one hundred.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Wow, that's sick. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
You know, God blessed the WWE for doing something actually wholesome.
You know, we all know that. You know, you don't
need to say wrestling is fake. We understand it's it's
sports entertainment. But I will say that's one of the
enterprise that isn't so much subverted by like LGBTQ, all
the progressive nonsense. I mean, you can't watch an NFL

(45:48):
game without like pride flag somewhere during the game itself.
But the WWE ironically is kind of held itself out
a little bit better than some of these other professional
sports leagues. I would say the NHL is really the
only one in comparison to the WWU, and that's because
they have so many Russians that are Orthodox Christian they

(46:08):
refuse to wear gay pride stuff, and so the NHL
had to actually stopped doing it. Nathan Slippy said, for five,
I grew up on the cartoon. I voted for The Grinch.
I lived so sheltered that when I saw Carrie's version
in high school, it was like a horror movie. Yeah,
sure enough.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, well that makes sense. I mean, because it was
two thousand and four. It was part of the War
on tur which translated into the films at the time,
and it was it was like, it's a The Grinch
is a Ron Howard film of all things, which is crazy,
and it's totally frenetic from start to finish at it,
and it is it capitalizes that's upon it capitalizes on

(46:52):
this kind of hypercolor, post postmodern frenetic energy that the
really that I mean, it's not a stretch to say
that the age of the War on Terror sort of
gave us an accelerated pace in terms of art and entertainment,
and this is one of those one of those films.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Josiah just corrected me. I actually met Josiah at the
Athens and Jerusalem conference this year, so I know Josiah,
and he said, oh no, I mistyped. I was saying,
we delivered twenty one hundred day.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Well, well that's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, that's that's incredible. Josiah God bless you brother. That's
a that's an amazing work for this time of the year.
That I mean, you know what, I actually had a
conflicted moment.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It's we're disappointed because it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well it reminded me just turned guards to like charity
acts because it's Christmas season. So Jinny and I were
just asked this week to be godparents for two kids
that are going to be baptized this Sunday. So then
we're scrambling to get you know, crosses, icons, all the
stuff you give someone when they're going to beized a
little bit short notice. So we run up to the

(48:03):
largest Orthodox bookstore here in Indiana, which is in downtown Indianapolis,
and we get there, we get all the stuff, We
find all the stuff that we need. Ginny gets all
the stuff that kind of excites her. We get some
Christmas ornaments. They had Christmas decorations there, and when we leave,
we go down to grab something to eat because we

(48:24):
hadn't eaten all day. It's like three o'clock in the
afternoon and we go over to five guys and while
we're parking, we see a homeless guy. In Indiana today,
at least around the central Indiana area, it was rainy.
It was rained all day, it was wet, it was gloomy.
It was like fifty degrees in windy, so it's not
you know, all the snow's melted now. And we see
this homeless guy out there in a trash bag with

(48:44):
all his stuff scattered around, and we were like, oh,
Ginny's like, maybe we should go give him one of
these little icon cards that we just bought. And I
thought about I was like, for a second, that might
be a good idea. And then I look at him.
He looks like he's high. And this is a white guy,
and he's like sitting there going like this, and you
can tell someone just bought him a pizza, which he

(49:07):
ate a few slices of and then he just has
it laying on the ground in the rain. And I
was like, maybe maybe we shouldn't waste one of the
the icon car I don't know if he would appreciate it.
And I felt a little convicted inside, is like, should
we help the homeless man. But then based on my
rational observation, it's like, I don't even know if he's

(49:28):
in the right mind to even understand if we went
to go give him an icon of Christ for Christmas,
like he would even understand it, So we ended up
not doing it.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Maybe that would maybe that would make him appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Are you trying? Are you trying to make me feel
guilty right now in BLA? Is that what you're trying
to do.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
No, it's like it's like it's like, you know when
Boomer I'm not in comparison, but you know when Boomers
are like, I'm not giving that guy any money. I'm
gonna give him some nuggets because he's gonna waste it
on crack, right, And they give him some MC nuggets
and the guys like thanks. I just say, you know,
I appreciate it, you know, or doesn't need to be nuggets.
It's like I just kind of think, I don't know, Uh, yeah,

(50:10):
of course he was high. It's Christmas man, he was
he was Are you a scrooge? He was tripping off
that Wakeisha man and you were you know, he had
that pizza down there. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, anyways, that's totally tangential. But hearing Josiah Eleron's actual
charity and effort to bring Christmas to children this year,
uh made me reflect on my opportunity today. And I
don't know if I missed an opportunity or I made
the right decision. Because we want we want to pass
these things out to people. You know, we bought a
bunch of these. Uh. Look, they're like almost credit card

(50:46):
like things, but they have an icon and then they
have a description of it on the back. And Genie's like, oh,
maybe we should give one to him. And I'm looking
at him with his eyes like rolling back, going like
this in the rain, with clearly people have given him
like food, they went and bought and gave it to him,
and he's got it out and I'm like, I don't know, baby.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'm not I'll tell you. I'll tell you the worst story.
You know. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
show how generous I am here. But one time I
gave a homeless bomb fifty bucks. I gave him. I
gave this homeless bomb fifty.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, not virtue signal or anything, guys.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
You know, what he did.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
You know what he did.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
He looked at it and he said, what the fuck
is this?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
And he threw it.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
He threw it on the ground. I kept walking and
I was like, all right, So I went back and
picked it out. That picked up that fifty bucks, and
then I went and got some lean for myself, and
I thought, you know what, I'm gonna go eat a pizza.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Now fair enough, fair enough?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, Now they do good work, and uh, you know,
and I will and I will give a shout out
to you know, you sent me a thing earlier about
about a famous guy that I know who is doing
good work and does this with hospitals all he does
work with hospitals all the time and with kids. And
that's Trey Henderson, Traveon Henderson, who was hopefully going to

(52:05):
go to the superw.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Give him a shout out. He actually deserves it. For
those who don't know, not everybody watching this actually follows
sports and stuff like that. Yeah, explains is what Travion
Henderson is.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
A kid that is a sort of a hometown hero here.
And I taught yeah in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
In Virginia and people watching yeah, yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Uh, he came from he comes from here. He comes
from my town. And I taught his his older brother
and his younger brother and his his uh he and
he I. He was not in my in the advanced
class I taught, but he went on I knew. I
knew him very well, and he's always around here and
he UH was the number one high school running back
Sports Illustrated running back in the country. Got a full

(52:50):
full ride to every school you could possibly get, and
chose went to Ohio State. He was the h He
was a record setting running back. His freshman year at
Ohio State high score. He became the He became the
captain of Ohio State. They won the nation. He won
the They had a Cinderella season here. They won the
state championship. The he his final game I saw him

(53:11):
play here was a state championship, you know winner. Then
he went to Ohio State. He won the college championship.
He was the guy who was holding the trophy when
jad he handed Jadvans Jai Bans dropped it. Then he
then he went on to UH to UH get a
UH to be in a second round draft pick for
New England Patriots. Now he plays for the Patriots and

(53:32):
UH he's scoring like crazy, and uh, hopefully he's gonna
go on to you know, he'll be in he he
will be in a super Bowl, he will be a
Super Bowl champion. He'll be in the Hall of Fame,
and uh shout out to him because he's one of
these one of these kids that really did make it.
And he comes he comes back here to talk to
kids at church all the time, he does charities, he

(53:55):
he supported had.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Is that in addition to being literally one of the
top echelon athletes and a running back in the NFL
Rookie this year is I only know of Traveon Henderson
through b l A. So Bla told me about Traveon
Henderson when he was being recruited or essentially becomes the
Ohio State running back. So he talked to me after

(54:17):
this state championship and he's like, man, you know, he's
talking about the kids that he's graduated and that that
he's taught. And so I kept my eye out and
I knew if Traveon Henderson watched his year at Ohio
State and then what I would say is that he
is a good Christian guy. Now you may not be
ord I know, people are you know, into the apology.

(54:37):
He's not Orthodox, but his actions, what he does, what
he talks about, how he gives credit to God and
Christ for for so many things. I actually root for him.
And I'm from Indiana and we hate the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
He is very very sincere, very sincere, and very true.
He founded a foundation and organization for Christian athletes in college.
He had a whole thing about He's the one who
got you know, he got a bunch of people baptized
on the Ohio State team. I think he just got
I knew he was engaged, but I didn't know he
got mad. I think he just got married. And he's

(55:13):
got a new shoe line. And they asked him about
the shoe line. This is remember when we talked about
Little nas X years ago. X had the blood on
He's like, oh, that's the blood of Satan. It's marble. Well,
this this is the this is the opposite of that.
So he said, they said, what's this red on the
bottom of the shoe, And he said, well, that's to
symbolize the sacrifice of by Lord Jesus Christ, the King

(55:34):
of the universe, who gave his uh, you know, who
gave himself for the sins of the whole world. And uh,
it's to honor all of the persecuted Christians in the world,
especially in Nigeria and and everywhere. Uh. And our God
is a gracious God. The praise be to God. You
can't you can't get much better than that. And and

(55:55):
he's the real and sincere. I hope he very very far.
He's gonna be a good fan, family man, and he's
a very very hard working. And you know, people are
very here's what I'll say. People are extremely and they
should be. People are extremely cynical and extremely negative about
celebrities of all kinds, especially sports figures. Rightly so, I mean,

(56:16):
we've seen this kind of over and over. But here's
an example of somebody I can't attest to you personally
who is a Brew and real and is the real
deal and is using what he has forgot. And he
even said that I saw him said an article recently
said up, you know, I've got this, I've got this
position that God.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I thought. He said, I had this great English teacher.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
That's what that's what he said. That's what he said.
He said, this one was for you, This was for you,
big dog. Yeah, not that one. No, Yeah, that's what
he did. Yeah, this one's my numbers eighty eight. All right.

(57:01):
So now he threw the football to himself and he
caught it, and then he said that one's for you
big dogs. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Oh boy, all right, let's get back on topic here,
let's get Oh my gosh, thank you so much for
the ten bucks, He says, thank you for this stream.
I'm visiting my family for Western Christmas, and I'm trapped
in my parents' basement reading their horrible books. Much needed. Well, hey,

(57:29):
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like you're in, we are more than humble and appreciate
you being here. So God bless you, brother, Thanks for
the support. Willie Jenkins throws in two bucks and says,
bad Santa for the award. So again, we're getting ready
to dive into Bad Santa. I just wanted to catch
up so everybody knows that. You know, we see you guys,

(57:50):
your guys' comments, and we want to keep you guys
engaged in the stream. Thank you so much. Josiah Elrond,
God bless you, brother, Thank you for the five gifted
super chats. Really appreciate it. Clontarf A fan of both
of ours. I've actually met Clontarf. He came to my
church one time. God bless you, brother. I hope the
family's doing well, he says DPH. I'd like to hear

(58:11):
your and Danderfield's most underrated Christmas movie. I go with
Scrooge most Underrated Christmas. I'll let you go first because
I bet you already have one on the top of
your mind. Jingle all the way.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah. Now, I think I think when we already discussed
it last year, but I think it's not an underrated movie,
but it is an underrated christ It's now getting traction
in reels and stuff, people talking about it as a
Christmas movie. But Home Alone really is probably the best
Christmas movie. I mean, it is a Christian movie. Which
one I Home Alone? Oh?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Home Alone?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, Home Alone is the echalon of Christmas movie.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah, I don't know. There's there's one that I really like,
and it's called The Night Before and it's got, you know,
it's got. It's just a Christmas story, but it's got
Michael Shannon and it Michael Shannon plays the ghost of
Christmas Pass and he's a weed dealer and there's a
great part in it that I really like and it
actually deals with football and he corrects the guy and says,

(59:16):
don't blaste him in my taxicab. And I really like
that one. It's a Christmas movie. I'm not sure. I'm
not really a big fan of Scrooge, but I mean
that's I think that one's another one that's kind of
gone by the wayside. But I appreciate that that you
like that one. I don't know what about you, what
do you think?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It's hard for me to say what's underrated in regards
to underrated for millennials in gen z, I would I
would assume it have to be one of these older
Christmas movies. I think it could be White Christmas. I mean,
how many people our age actually watch that each year? Yeah,

(59:57):
I would say it's probably underrated in the It's not
as popular as it should be. It's a great film.
Now it is a musical, So if you're not into that,
you may not like that. But if not, it's probably
It's a Wonderful Life. I mean, how many people our
age watch It's a Wonderful Life? It is on TV
quite a bit, and obviously I'm a little bit I'm

(01:00:21):
a little bit biased to the Christmas Story just because
it takes place in Indiana, even though technically it was
filmed in like Cleveland, Ohio. It's supposed to take place
in Indiana. And my wife, she's never latched onto the
Christmas Story. I think you almost have to be American
or something because there's not a whole it's kind of
dry movie as it goes forward. We actually we already

(01:00:43):
reviewed almost all the movies. We already talked about BLA
b LA and I have already discussed before. But you
really can't say The Christmas Story is underrated because was
it TN T or TBS. They do it like a
twenty four hour series, so he can't say it's underrated classic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I think it's overrated.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It could even though I'm fond of it, just because
it's a here in Indiana. I mean, it's it's a classic,
but it's like Hoosier is a rudy. But you easily
could make the claimants overrated. In regards to underrated. The
only thing that immediately pops in my mind is something
that's more classic or older, because a lot of the

(01:01:23):
younger people just don't watch that stuff. And I would
highly recommend, I mean one of the things that my
wife and I we do love older movies just because
they're so whole. There's nothing subversive in them, and the
meaning is very transparent that you can pick up on
it as the dialogue goes, you know, the plot unfolds.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
So I think you got an answer. I think that
the most underrated Christmas movie is probably want a wholesome
movie is probably Swiss Family Robinson. Chriss Family Robinson. Swiss
Family Robinson is it's not a Christmas movie, but it
has a great Christmas scene in it, and it's where
I first heard the song, Oh Chrissmas Tree, and and

(01:02:01):
it's probably it's probably the most wholesome movie that you
could possibly find. And I saw it when I was
a kid around Christmas time on the Disney Sunday Night Movie.
And it's a live action movie and it's from the
fifties early sixties from from the Disney Studio. And it's
about a Swiss family named Robinson that goes to New

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Guinea and they end up on a desert island and
they have to fight pirates and they basically form their
own island and they and they live and they work
together as a family and it's it's such an awesome movie.
It's it's like a great movie for a young boy
because it's about adventure and stuff, but it's also a
great movie for a family, and it's especially great for Christmas.
I would I would really recommend that, or I would

(01:02:45):
recommend the movie Heidi, since we're talking about classic wholesome
movies here. The movie Heidi with Shirley Temple and Black
and White is is a Christmas movie and it has
the gruff grandfather who live on the mountain like the Grinch.
Buddy ends up being a based grandfather who saves his
granddaughter and he looks like Santa Claus. It's really it's

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really really classic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
We've already covered Miracle on thirty fourth Street, right, we
didn't cover that. We have not covered that one. That
has to be next year. That is a classic Christmas film,
whether you watch the old one or like was it
nineteen ninety four or something, or.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
The seventies version O Carl some hundred and Tan Street.
That's the Harlem book. Okay, yeah, we'll cover Miracle on
thirty four.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Cover your ears, people. Bla is getting ready to sing
a tune. Rough hands, says Glad to see my fellow
nerds give us a duo stream before christ every year.
I feel like we're almost obligated and bla. He hit
me up, was like, what are we doing for Christmas
this year? I was like, dude, what movies have we
not done? So these are four that we haven't Thomas

(01:03:56):
those in five says The Grinch is one of those.
So bad. It's a good movie, but I do agree
with that making the Who's materialistic and in need of
correction was a bad call.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Uh, this over on your channel, goes throws in five says,
would you consider Citizen Kane a Scrooge like story, the
story of Scrooge but was never visited by Marley and
the Spirits.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yes, absolutely, it's a good call. I mean Citizen Done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, we have, Yeah, we've already done that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, he scrooged and we did a Christmas Carol. We
covered this Charles Dickens story as part of that stream
of two or three years ago. Did yeah, but yeah absolutely,
and never visited by Marley and the Spirits. Well, he
is visited by the spirits of his past, and that's
part of the that's part of the entire story. So yeah,

(01:04:50):
I think that definitely plays into it. I would consider
it a Scrooge like story. I mean, except for the
fact that he doesn't make good at the end. He
only sort of reconciles himself with his past rather than
with a family or with the spirit of giving. So
it's a little bit more well emblematical modernity and sort

(01:05:10):
of fractured brokenness and the emptiness of wealth rather than
what the whole purpose of a Christmas carol.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Josiah throws in another ten, Thank you so much, Jersiah.
The first time I had cancer, God, glory to God
that you don't have anymore. I wrote an eviction notice
for cancer. I knew I could not control what it
did to my body, but I can control what it
does with my soul. It changed my life. Well, right there,

(01:05:39):
that's a wholesome Christmas message right there. Thank you so much, Josiah.
God bless you, brother. I really appreciate the support. And
Gorilla Biscuit throws in five says, just got paid, have
some money. God bless her great stream as usual, w
doctor Biceps, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Doc, I am Arnold, I am turbo man b La.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
You make me happy now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Or you, mam make me happy, Thank you, buddy, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
It all right, So now we're we're all caught up here. Okay,
let's get into the Christmas story or I mean White Christmas.
White Christmas, Yes, White Christmas, and and discuss that one specifically.
I would imagine many of the gen Zers have never

(01:06:34):
watched that. Lend me the gen Zers or jin Alpha
that's watching this stream right now, they probably have not
watched White Christmas. How would you introduce it to somebody
who hasn't watched it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I would say that one of the things that young
people are yearning for is something pure, and that goes
for what they seek in terms of religion, how they
what they want in terms of family, what they want
in terms of you know, their jobs. They want something pure,
and I think that this movie is about as close

(01:07:08):
as you can get to that. In terms of entertainment.
You know, young people wouldn't have seen the movie because
they don't watch movies, and for good reason. I mean,
there's nothing good in Hollywood right now. Everything's sort of
broken and dead and everything is. One thing about this
movie is everything that you watch now is on a
small screen and looks gray. Everything is gray, and a

(01:07:32):
gray box and it's broken and white. Christmas is the
opposite of that. This is old time Hollywood. It's completely
technicolor and it's vivid, and this really represents a thing
in America that is sort of gone. I think that
we have the best of what this movie represents when

(01:07:52):
you're with your family or when you're with your friends,
but it really does. It really is a wholeness and
a sense of some of the as aspects of Christmas,
you know, giving a service. And it it's not a
musical in the sense that other other films are. I mean,
I think that, you know, musicals exist basically because musicals

(01:08:15):
are supposed to be emblematic of They sort of represent
the kind of an extension in a secular entertainment sense
of why you sing in church. You know, when you
sing in church, you sing as a as an exultation
of the spirit. You're singing. You know, the throne of
God is surrounded by angels who sing Holy, Holy, Holy

(01:08:37):
Lord all the time forever, because it's more than words
can say. You're, You're, it's an extension of the spirit
you are exalting and and this, you know, musicals are
supposed to be like that. They're supposed to be this
kind of dream world where you people sing because they

(01:08:57):
can't speak anymore. And White Christmas is different than musicals
because the characters in it are playing actors, So they
are actors putting on a production within a production, and
that makes it different from the average kind of fay musical.
So the story really is about two characters played by
Ben Crosby and Danny k Bing. Crosby is classic Christmas.

(01:09:20):
This is monoc right, I mean, this is jingle bell
white Christmas, fifties Christmas, you know. And and he he
and Danny Kay are in the war. It's it's set
in World War two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
It begins in World War two.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, and they are putting on The movie begins in
Madi Eures with them putting on a show for their
general in charge, who is gonna was it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Was like leaving from the battlefield. Is gonna be replaced
by a new general and yeah, and the soldiers love him.
They're willing to fight and die for him. And the
and the platoon is being moved to the front line,
so we're also getting ready to experience actual battle. The
general that they love is being taken from them, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Not only it's it's not that it's not something fantastical
that you have two characters who are soldiers who are
singing and like they're singing in the war. It's that
these are these are USO guys. They are entertainers, so
they're supposed to increase the morale for the company. They're
already singers, and so they're putting on a show for

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the soldiers and then they get attacked in the middle
of it in a in an artillery barrage, and they
start blasting the town. But they keep they sort of
keep saying it. Basically, it shows that it's kind of
like this is the best of what we have to
give this guy. And even though they're being blasted, they're
still sort of singing for this guy, and they say

(01:10:44):
because we love him, we love him, and yeah. It's
very it's very Hollywood musical. It's not supposed to be action.
It's on a sound stage. But the point is they survive,
and the two guys go back to the real world.
And and and Big Crosby saves Danny Kay at the
beginning of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
He he or Danny K sing Crosby.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yeah, And so for the rest of the movie. He's like, oh,
my arm, you know what about that? You know? And
so he black. He basically blags his way into a
kind of contract with Ben Crosby. He was a famous
guy back home. And they become a touring a touring company,
and they become famous. So Danny k becomes famous like
Ben Crosby already is. So when they're back in America,

(01:11:26):
they start touring and they're doing all this stuff, and
then they meet these two girls, one of whom is
played by Rosemary Clooney, who's the aunt of George Clooney
in real life. That's the one of the girls. And
and so which one is. She's not the blonde girl.
She's the girl that they're trying to set up with
being Crosby. Okay, so that's uh anyway, it's George Clooney

(01:11:47):
is on. So Rosemary Clooney. So Danny came and the
blonde girl say, let's set up these two girls. Would
you sing for your homie? I said, I pull one
out for my homie all the time. You know, the
other day I was smoking on that Rob ryaner pack.
Poured one out for my homie in that Gangster Leen. Yeah,

(01:12:15):
I miss my uncle Charles. So, so they're trying to
set these two up and because he's like, he's like, look,
Ben Crosby, you're kind of an old, fucking whiskey drinking
you know, you're pretty old dude. You need to he
says to him, I want you to get with this
woman and make eight babies. Okay, that's wholesome. So the

(01:12:37):
rest of the movie is basically trying to set them up,
and then and they go through some shenanigans, and then
they discover at the end of the film basically when
they end up in verm they end up end up
in Vermont that this hotel they end up in Vermont
where they're gonna put on this show is actually owned
by the general from back in Europe, and he's about
to basically, I mean, he's not going to sell the

(01:12:58):
place wherever he's going broke. So then, yeah, so they
had this, they had this kind of pr call and
they call all the old fellows back to come and
watch the show, and they put on a giant show
for him. And the really really the only conflict in
the movie comes when they're trying to say, like somebody
tries to screw him over to say that like, oh no,
he's just doing this for the contracts, for the pr

(01:13:19):
He's going to get money out of it. He's a
grifter and he's like, I'm not I'm not grifting at all.
If I can get none nothing out of this, I
just want to We just want to show this dude
how much we love because the General is supposed to
be a kind of I mean, he's not only a
father figure, but he's supposed to represent the best of America,
the best of men.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
The best Yeah, exactly, And in a way he is
Yah the way he is, and that's where the story
has sentimental value is because the way that the General's
present is that he is a man of honor. He
is a man that earns respect from the soldiers that
fought underneath him, and to see that he now owns
the skiers in Vermont. And when they get to Vermont,

(01:14:02):
because they thought this is where the sisters they had
to show there in Vermont, and the two guys they
had to show in New York. Well, because they're constantly
trying to get being crosby, they come up with a
hodgepodge plan so that the guys follow them to Vermont.
And when they get there, there's no snow. And this
is why this is the whole theme of White Christmas.

(01:14:23):
Right on Christmas Eve, when they give this celebration to
the general, it actually begins the snow and everybody comes
back to Vermont. And so this ski resort, this lodge
that the general has, nobody's there, there's no there's no snow.
There's therefore nobody skiing. And you then see this man,
a general, highly respected from a soldiers, running a sort

(01:14:47):
of ski resort lodge there in Vermont. Nobody's there. He's
going bankrupt, he's losing everything, and his last wish is basically,
I'm just going to re enlist. I'm just going to
go back to the military. I'd rather die as a
general then die financially as a man who failed to
create some ski lodge there in Vermont. And so the
attempt then is that the army rejects him. They don't,

(01:15:10):
you know, they don't need a fifty or sixty year
old man to re enlist in the military. And so
what the what Bing Crosby and Danny King do is
that they set up this essentially a celebration of the
general and bring back as many soldiers that fought under
him as possible so that he would then at least

(01:15:30):
for him be viewed by the other people as the
general again, because part of the running theme when they're
at the resort there is that nobody actually sees the
general as the general except the two guys that fought
underneath him. They seem as, you know, a guy who's
carrying wood and getting the mail and runs this resort
that's basically this failed resort. And so by getting all

(01:15:53):
these men back, the general regains his dignity, regains his identity,
and of course it's snows, so his business, this isn't
gonna go bankrupt. But it's because he's viewed by the
people that respect him the most, the soldiers that found
underneath him. And that's the climax of the movie right
at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Yeah, he's also, uh, he's not soft, you know. Even
in the beginning of the movie when they're when they're
singing the song to him or whatever, he calls him
to attention. He goes up and he's like that sorry
looking bunch of you know, it's an American movie, so
it's gonna be like, you're sorry looking a bunch of
rack tag Shenanigans here, but I do love you, you know.
And he's he's he's up. He seems like a gruff guy,

(01:16:32):
but he's got a twinkle in his eye and he
loves he loves it. At the end of the movie
in Vermont, you know, he's got this by the way,
it's like the greatest hotel of all time. This world
is completely dead. This world is totally dead. You go
there now and it's like a hole in the ground
with the Howard Johnson's signed rtting Away Vibby. This was
this was a world that just just doesn't it's probably.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Probably a blue haired receptionist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's you know, he's he's just
he's just swet and and uh, like you said, you know,
there's no snow. They end up putting on this beautiful
show and then it's it ends up being a perfect
white Christmas full of purity. You know, it's a pure
it's a pure, wholesome, warm, cozy world where you the

(01:17:19):
movie is very aware that the family is watching the
movie together, you know, And and it's a classic shouts
out to Rachel there, who's gifting that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Ten or ten b l A memberships over in your chat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Shouts out to Rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Shout out to Rachel.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
She's thank you so much. Rachel really appreciate that. I
will say one other thing in the movie that I really,
I really appreciate is actually, and this is pretty might
be of specific or esoteric within the film. You really
have to watch the film to notice this, but there
is a routine. There's one of the songs that there
their coreering. It is called it's not dance, It's choreography.

(01:18:05):
And this is a this was that this is actually
pretty adept in the movie because Danny Kay. The movie
is really run on Bing Crosby's charm. Bing Crosby's the singer.
Ben Crosby is charm and he's the kind of half
of this entertainment group. But it's Danny Kay who really
carries the movie. Danny Kay was also in Wizard of Oz.

(01:18:28):
He's kind of an all encompassing performer from America and
from from cinema in the nineteen fifties. He's very, very
good as an entertainer. And he does this routine where
he is critiquing modern dance in the movie. And here's
here's what he does. It's the scene where they have

(01:18:48):
like sort of Picasso stage sets, and he's wearing like
a beret and he's doing like a sort of a mamba.
But what I realized when I watched the movie is
that this this is a critique on modernism and on
art and the destructive nature of degenerate art that was

(01:19:11):
overtaking America, especially in dance. And I never realized this
watching it before. But what he's saying, what the song
is about in the movie is basically that no longer
are you watching it. Like, for instance, if you've ever
gone to see Swan Lake at Christmas, you see something,
or you've seen the Bolshoi Ballet, you know, you see

(01:19:33):
something beautiful. You're you're listening to Tchaikowsky, or you're watching
a beautiful piece of art that you usually would go
with your wife to or you take your family to.
But this is like a kind of high art that
is a bud that rains above this sort of entertainment
of film or kind of going to a concert. And

(01:19:54):
when he's when he's doing this routine in the movie,
he's showing that all of that is going away and
we're watching now is like this sort of what do
they call what they call it like Daego eat Nick
version of of of like modern dance corrupting what used

(01:20:16):
to be something classical and taking it into territory. That
is that has arcd all the way now into modern
jazz dance, which is why we see every mother or
housewife going to modern dance classes or hip hop dance class,
which is fine for exercise, but I'm saying when that

(01:20:36):
takes over the beautiful art of dance in in this
sort of world, I think it's a it's a sort
of a satire on that within the film, if I'm
making any sense, And I've never seen that. I've never
seen that in a film before. I've never seen such

(01:20:56):
a really effective critique early one of postmodernism in a film.
Because White Christmas is it's there's no irony, No, the
movie is totally wholesome and family oriented, and it's about love.
Even the songs that they sing, ah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
On what you just said, it's about love. It's about
romantic love. It's about love between friends, between Danny k
and being Crosby, and it's a it's a you could
call that love fileo. And then it has the agape love,
the love of the general, the love of the troops,
the love of the group itself, getting the guys back together.
So you're spot on there. I just wanted to highlight

(01:21:38):
for everybody who hadn't seen the movie, it literally encompasses
all types of love. But that is the really the
essence of what White Christmas is about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
So I see it as a very positive movie. And
they're just the way that the movie, even the way
the movie looks, by the way I mean, you know
when you look at this is the sid of the Grinch.
The Grinch is a hypercolor movie that is frenetic, but
this movie is a technicolor movie with a kind of

(01:22:11):
timelessness built into it. It's gonna continuously be restored, it's
gonna continuously be beautiful. And digital, especially the digital landscape
of movies now, are by their very nature degrading, and
they will they will continue to sort of dissolve. And
so this is the kind of anesthetical to that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Rachel, she highlights that love you didn't and do Right
by Me, sung by Rosemary Clooney, is one of the
best breakup songs of all time, beautiful vocals in before autotune.
And so for anybody who hadn't watched the movie. What's
what Rachel's referring to is is Rosemary Clooney, who her
character is being set up with being Crosby. That's that's

(01:22:50):
kind of the premise of the two sisters and him
and Danny kay Is that's the that's the premise, and
and sort of the plot line running through the movie
is that she believes bing Crosby is trying to get
all these soldiers together for an ulterior reason, for monetary gain,
for popularity. And she thinks because and this is actually

(01:23:11):
this is actually something that my wife I brought up
to her, is that I said, this is why you
can't listen to other women. So the secretary there at
the hotel, she's listening in on bing Crosby, calls and
she catches this a segment of which bing Crosby wants
to go on television national television in New York so
that he can call all the soldiers for this purpose

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to go up to Vermont to celebrate the general. And
the television host wants bing Crosby to allow him to
bring the whole TV crew and let's just do it
live right there at the hotel. So I don't want
to do that. I don't want to make a spectacle
and the TV guys, but you're gonna make a killing.
You know, this is going to grow your guys's fame,
This is going to be nationally viewed. And he ends

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up turning it down. But the secretary who's listening on
the phone, only here's a set of it, and she
then starts spreading the rumor to the sisters at first
that Bing Crosby his real motive is not to celebrate
the General, which it actually is, it's to make so
much money. And he has an angle because through the movie,
Bing Crosby's talking with these girls, he's like, what's your angle?

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Everybody has an angle. We're in showbiz, right, everybody has
an angle on how they're going to move forward or
advance themselves, and all their relationships, every relationship has an angle.
And for this in the General, for Danny Kay and
Being Cross, actually there is no angle. The angle is
that they love the General and they actually wanted to
get the guys together to celebrate the General because they

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see the statees in. And so Rosemary Clooney sings this
song in New York when she thinks Being Crosby's this
bad guy he's about himself. She flees Vermont, goes back
to New York. This is about probably right towards the
end of the movie, past three fourths in the film,
and she's now at basically a nightclub. She's the main

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entertainer there, and she sings this song in front of
Being Crosby, who's now falling in love with her and
doesn't understand why she keeps running away from him because
they shared this intimate kiss in this romantic moment, and
so she sings this song Love You didn't do right
by Me while Being Crosby is watching, and then the
TV show host comes after she sings it, comes up

(01:25:20):
to Being Crosby says, hey, we got to go bing.
Crosby's actually going on his TV show just to get
the soldiers there. He's not taking the TV crew to Vermont,
and she then thinks this reinforces why Love has done
her wrong and Being Crosby's this bad guy. It isn't
until her sister actually makes it clear and she sees
Being Crosby's message on TV that oh, he actually is

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doing it for the right reason. So this is again
the wholesome of the film is that Rosemary Clooney returns
back to Vermont because she's a central act in the
show for the general and then she you know, everybody
nails their part and the play or the musical and
it goes off without a hitch. And so uh, that's
the song that Rachel's referring to here love You Didn't

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do right but which is a fantastic song and Rosemary
Clooney does an incredible vocal of it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
It's great that she's not vindictive either. You know that
when they realize they're in the wrong, that they get
back together. Yes, you know, they they don't hold they
they don't hold this postmodern grudge you know. Oh well,
why didn't you tell me? You know, they figure out
that they're wrong, He goes to get her back, she

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gets back with them, They end up together. Yeah, it's
it's everything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Yeah, it's just a perfect Like you said, there's no irony,
there's no anti hero.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
It is what you think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
It's you know, there's really not. I mean, you can
pull symbolism, but it's it's not like some deeply deeply
layered film. It is what it appears to be. It's
just a great film. It's a classic timeless film.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Christmas is a time for reconciliation. And I think that
one of the things that bothers me a lot is
then there is this sort of narrative that goes on
even amongst common conversation now, of that Christmas is such
a hard time for people. It's a time when you know,
the worst, the worst parts of mental health come out.
And we all know that's true. We all know that

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people who are lonely, who are who are sad, or
who have lost things, or who are alone have a
hard time at Christmas. But it's not the overarching thing.
It's a time for reconciliation. It's a time for being
with your family or saying you're sorry, or being with
loved ones. It's you know, and it's it's the it's
the Nativity of the Lord. It's it's that the holiday

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is about the birth of God on earth in a
in a broken world. Uh, It's it's a continuous cycle
of renewing our faith in the fact that God is born.
You know, he was a he's a living God. And
so I think that movies like this, even though this

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is entertainment and it's we're not supposed to we don't
get our morals from the movies. We can also we
can see, sometimes reflected in films, the best of the
things that we want. We can we can look at
a world that we want to achieve, even though it's fantastical,
and we can sort of experience that together. And I
think that that's I think that this is a world

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that doesn't have to be gone. It doesn't Everything doesn't
have to be about the awful murder that occurred in
Hollywood and the Bondai Beach and the overloading of terror
information that occurs every day. It doesn't have to be
like that every day. It's also Christmas time, so you
can put that. You can put it away.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Man, you had to bring up bon Day Beach, didn't you.
You could just leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Well, I was talking about it because you and my
sister live.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
There, that's true. No, we talked probably La actually talked
about some of the recent terra events at Brown University
and Bondai Beach and now Australia. If somebody wants, they
can ask us our thoughts about that later. Bla and
I are pretty much on the same track. But I'm
just teasing him. I do want to give it. I

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just we already said it, but thank you very much
Rachel for gift and ten memberships to both BLA and I.
That's really very generous of you, and I just want
to catch up. A couple of people sent some questions
in on on dono Chat and stream labs. The first
one on dono Chat, mister fried Up Smith says, I'm

(01:29:33):
forty five and growing up as a kid in the eighties.
My favorite Christmas movie was The Christmas Toy. Are you
guys familiar with this movie?

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
I've never I don't know that when we're in the
same age, So what's the Christmas Toy?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
We're abouth forty five? I was speaking of speaking, which,
by the way, the guy who played the general in
the movie is my age? What he was? What he
was forty five?

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
That five sixty?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
I mean, it's it's a makeup too, but that's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
The Christmas Toy I have never Oh, this is like
a Kermit the Frog type. I don't think I've ever
seen this. This is a Muppet Christmas Movie nineteen ninety
eight VHS cover. Is this it? Because that okay, first
televised in nineteen eighty six. That would make sense now

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you seen this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
No, I don't. I haven't seen that one. I don't.
I don't watch Muppets. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I've always took you as a Muppet guy. That's surprising.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
No, man, I don't like that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Man makes me out, Dude, you know, I thought you
loved clowns and dolls.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
What about Mumpet Babies? That was a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
This rental docks goes in five is says, what is
y'all's opinion of the Nutcracker musical for a Christmas movie?

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I think the Nutcrackers. That's what we should do. Add
that one to the list next year as well. We
haven't reviewed the nut I think the Nutcracker solid, solid Christmas.
Yeah great, Yeah, okay, so now, since we just talked
about Reconciliation Love, it's sort of essentially a perfect Christmas
movie with white Christmas. I think it's only apropos then

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to turn to your favorite film, Bad Santa, where you know,
I would say, it's almost it's hard to even fit
in the niche. Maybe some people would even question us
considering it, you know, on par with these other Christmas movies.
It's clearly a Christmas movie, right, So anybody who wants

(01:31:40):
to say if Diehard is a Christmas movie, which I
actually count. My brother in law is adamant that his
favorite Christmas movie is Lethal Weapon one. Okay, but if
those count, Bad Sana definitely has to count. But it
is sort of off on its own right. It's not
like any other Christmas movie. The vulgarity, the message, the

(01:32:04):
anti hero of Billy Bob Thornton again Thurman Mermon. For me,
I'm curious what you guys think. I mean, Bernie Mack
is great in the movie too. Bernie Mack is hilarious
Thurman Merman, though as a child actor. Just how he's
responding to, like real vulgarity of Billy Bob Thornton, whether
it was you know, clearly a scene. I think it's

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just it's so on part. I love him as a
character in that movie. How would you break down Bad Santa?
So for me, you know, it's it's it's not a
family movie, as you already discussed when you watched it
with your family, they weren't picking up on the same humor.
There are hilarious spots of it. If you're not prone

(01:32:50):
to vulgarity, it's probably not the movie for you. It
is the it's like I said, it's it's like an
anti Christmas Christmas movie. You. I mean, the guy he's drunk,
he's a thief, he's only in it for himself.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
He's the biggest piece of ship of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah, and he is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
He's a miserable car mudget. He's the worst, and we're Scrooge.
I mean, he's the he's the worst. But that's why.
To me, I mean it's so I don't know, man,
I I just know that when I saw you know,
this is a was like two thousand and five or
two thousand, two thousand and three, Yeah, two thousand and three,

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and so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
You wouldn't get this film post twenty twenty, like two
thousand and three. Like, the movie is funny, the movie
has great you know, I think it's a I think
it's worth it's worthwhile. Maybe you don't want this for
your children today adult comedy and in two thousand and three,
I mean you can't make you can You couldn't remake
this movie today.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, to me, this is a another movie that is
post on eleven, very very much in the two to
early two thousands of America like that, this is I'm
not trying to make too much of it, but this
really is to me the way that it was and
and and even the aesthetic of the movie. It looks
like that, I mean, you know, the sort of tope,
like when he goes to the house and he's staying

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he's staying in Thurman Mermyn's house. Just the way that
things look to me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Grandma's dated and old. Yeah, yeah, she's on as in jail,
but wealthy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
It's very it's a very cozy movie though, you know,
and and and I actually watched this. I was living
in New York in two thousand and five and my
living with my three best friends, and we were it
was a Christmas time. I was sick. I couldn't get
I couldn't work or anything. I was real sick. My
friend was like, we was watched this movie. I was like,
this movie's gonna be so shitty, you know, fuck it,

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I'm not watching this movie. And he put it on,
and I just it made me feel so good watching
this movie. How bad this guy's life is. And it's
so good because so he's so billy, Bob Thornton is safecracker,
and he and the little guy are and oh By
the way, the little guy is in Jingle all the Way.
You notice that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I don't think I picked on that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Yeah, Jingle all the Way. So Jingle all the Way
also gives us this movie where is he at Jingle
all the Way? So when when when Arnie goes to
the mank so so it gives us a mega mind.
It was kind of a sort of a round toy
story time. It gives us, you know, mighty more from
Power Rangers, but when it didn't give us that, but
it's sort of in that universe. But then when they

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go to the mall and he sees the there's a
bad Santa at the mall who sells a black market
action man and it's James Belushi. Oh yeah. He says,
he's running like a mob factory full of bad Santas.
And the little guy right there and the poster is
his assistant.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Right, So remember that's nineteen ninety six. This movie is
two thousand and three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Yeah, so so so so these guys are safe crackers
and they basically go and they get a job as
a Santa adam all and the first scene is Hims City.
He's the mall. Yeah, and the kid says his lap,
and he said, what the fuck are you looking at?

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Business is bad?

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
How did you How did your parents respond to Santa
when you did that the first time they brought you
to him? Did they apologize and they gave him a
new suit? How did they deal with that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Oh, it's very fun. I'm sorry, it's very fair boy.
And then no, no, did you ever have to sit
on Santa's lap? I did? I did. I was like,
I'm not doing that and my mom was like, fuit
on his lap? I did to take a picture in

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the mall. It's in the mall. It was wholesome people
out there. So no, o, that was Sergeant Santa. Do
you have a Sergeant Santa in your town? No? You don't.
You know what Sergeant Santa? Dude, dude, you want to
see the most fucking I mean, the probably the most

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Christmas thing I've ever seen is we had a Sergeant Santa.
He was a Salvation Army sergeant like copper whatever, and
and he was in the Salvation Army and he was
a Santa Claus. So he called him Sergeant Santa. And
he and there's a there's one. It might be the
guy from my city. But he looked like Santa Claus

(01:37:41):
twenty four to seven and he's called Sergeant Santa and uh,
they asked him what was the uh, what was the
hardest part about being I'm gonna get serious here, They
asked him what was the hardest part about being Santa Claus?
And he said, he said, the hardest part is that
just yesterday I had to go, uh give a little
boy his wish, his his his wish was to meet

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Santa Claus. And he had leukemia. And he goes into
the hospital. This kid is on his deathbed and he
lights up because he meets Santa Claus. And the kid
dies in his arms and so he so so he says,
it's the he said, it was the war. It was
the best and the worst day of his life.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
He gets to see this kid's eyes light up, you know,
because he's happy in the in his last moment. So
that that's that's what we had in our town. So
you know, I mean, uh, I don't I don't mind that.
You know, I thought a light tonight b l A, Well,
I'm sorry, but you know he was no Billy Bob
Thornton Thornton.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
But just just imagine all the little all the Santa
clauses that do experience little moments like that. Yeah, I've
been on a rampage I've talked about in previous stream
this year or that. Every time my wife and I
we go somewhere and shop, they always say Happy Holidays
and always respond in their eyes Merry Christmas. Really there

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was like a this looked like some Southeast Asian girl
with wearing a mask, like a surgical mask. I guess,
preventing the viruses, you know, from get from getting to her.
And she did that, and I looked at her and
I said Merry Christmas. And then she was kind of
taken back, like it just kind of I don't know
it startled her, but it just broke her out of
her routine. Like of I was Happy Holidays, and I

(01:39:36):
look back at her. I made eye cant, I said
Merry Christmas. Yeah you too, then went by.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
I always say, I always say, yeah, made the birth
of the One True Living God, the second person of
the Trinity, Jesus Christ, King of the Universe, have many
blessings upon you forever. I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
You're really keeping a light with everybody every I bet
you're a hit at all the Christmas parties.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
No, but I mean no, I you know when people
say I remember that when that was a thing though
in the twenty was at the twenty tens, they only
say happy holidays. Why are you saying Merry Christmas to me?
It's like, no, I'm wishing you merry Christmas. That's my thing,
you know. I mean when you're when you came up
to me the first time and you said happy hanukkah,
I said, that's your thing. I appreciate that you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Well, I just appreciated that you lit my menora.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
You don't spin a manora, you spin a drad o.
Okay anyway, So no, but he's a safe cracker and
they basically their job is in the Little Guy. They
they infiltrate the malls of America and then they wait
till the lights go out, and then they crack the
safe and then they leave. And then he goes down
to Florida and then he drinks it all the way

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until the next season.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Right, and that's when the movie really begins.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
So then he comes back up and then he meets
this He meets this kid. His name is Irman Merman.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
He basically, I just want to see what photos come
up on bad Santa and Thurman Merman, keep going, keep
you going. I'm gonna pull up images while you talk.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Yeah. He he meets Thurman Merman. Who's this kid right there?

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Let me put in Thurman Merman.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Oh and uh. He basically moves into the house because
he realizes this kid is living with his grandmother and
his father has abandoned him. I mean his father's in jail.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Yeah, clearly have done some type of financial crimes. And
the kid is oblivious. Right, So the kid thinks his
dad he says, he's like gone on a trip and
he'll be back in a year and a half half
and so. And the sad part is he asked me,
where's your mom? He's like, oh, she died. So his
mother's dad his his father's in jail for financial crimes,

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and he lives with his grandmother and a very you know,
essentially a mansion who's clearly sedated, you know, watching the
the infomercials and operas during the day and half there,
half not. And every time someone comes in, she goes, oh,
can I can I make you some cookies? Or can
I make you a sandwich? That's what is?

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Can I make you a sandwich? And so he's just
nip in the hot tub and he's got like the
rag over his face and the cads.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
He's banging the bartender at the local bar because he
can't stop drinking. Well, while he's drinking, while he's Santa
with these kids sitting on him, you know, sometimes pissing himself.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
My favorite, my favorite line is when he gets attacked
in the parking lot and he's like, listen to me,
son of a bitch, My brother got killed killing you
fuckers in Vietnam, the guys like Pakistan.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
So I mean this movie in particular the wholesome message
at the end, and it's a long build up because
if you watch it and you're like waiting for like
like he was, Bla was talking about the spirit of
Christmas is reconciliation. So when you look at Jingle all
the way, reconciliation between Arnold and his son White Christmas,

(01:43:31):
reconciliation between the General and the soldiers, reconciliation between being
Crosby and Rosemary Clooney. When you look at the Grinch,
reconciliation between who Villa and the Grinch, but Bat's Hannah,
You're like, where exactly is the reconciliation and I would
argue that the reconciliation is that by the end of

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the movie, Billy Bob Thornton those still a degenerate, still
the ultimate piece of shit. He has some sort of
humanity and sees the naivete and the purity within Thurman
Merman that even while he's getting ready to be shot
by police and is getting caught for doing the annual

(01:44:13):
theft crime he and the black Midget do, he makes
sure to get an elephant toy, which technically isn't what
Thurman Merman wanted because he came back to telling what
he actually wanted, which was a gorilla, but he's looking
between the pink and the purple elephant and then grabs
one to take it back to Thurman Merman and then

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is being chased by the police, eventually shot on the doorstep,
and Thurman Merman makes him a Christmas gift is some
type of what a wooden knife for a steak of
some sort, and he cut himself on it, which Billy
Bob Thornton didn't know how the kid cut himself. Turns
out he was trying to make a gift for Santa

(01:44:54):
and Thurman Merman, though he knows Billy Bob Thornton isn't Santa.
He always refers to him as Santa He. He always
refers to Billy Bob Thornton in an identity and status
that is actually higher than the man who's actually occupying it.
It's clearly not Santa Claus. It's the opposite of Santa Claus.
And yet the purity of this kid keeps calling him Santa,

(01:45:16):
and keeps referring to him and acts as if he
is Santa. And so then Billy Bob Thornton eventually tries
to bring this toy back to him. It gets blood out,
so you see the parallel the callback there in the film.
And then he goes to jail, but he doesn't die,
and it sets the stage for Bad Santa two. And
so the reconciliation. Where's the reconciliation in Bad Santa? I

(01:45:38):
would say the reconciliation is Billy Bob Thornton finally doing
an action that is not for himself, which is the
that's the whole That's why he is the pos he is,
is that every single decision he makes throughout the whole
movie is only about self gratification.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
And yeah, was that I think that the movie is
also about the fact that he finds redemption through suffering
and humiliation. You know, he is totally he humiliates himself
in such a way. And yeah, I get it. I
mean the movie is Somebody in the chat said they

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don't find you know, they don't look watch vulgar movies.
And I do actually appreciate that comment. I mean, because
there comes a point where, you know, a vulgarity, to
me can take sort of different forms. I generally there's
certain types of vulgarity that I don't like. This one
is so over the top though, from beginning to end

(01:46:38):
that I thought the point of it is that it
is vulgar, vulgaric. It's the sort of this is the
common person experience that you know, dragging himself through the mud.
He is so bad that there has to be some
sort of redemptive moment in the end, and there is.
And like you said, I think he reconciles himself first

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of all, to to you know, he gives rather than
just takes. All he does is the first time, and
so he gives something. He also reconciles Thurman Mrman to Christmas.
I mean, yes, he provides a Santa Claus for him.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
What did he say? He said he hadn't received a
gift because the dad went to jail last year. He
received zero Christmas gifts the year before. Thurman Murmuran who
is a kid. You know, he's fat, he's weird, he's
bullied and he usually yeah bullies socially awkwards.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
He teaches him how to stand up for himself right
against the bullies. And it really is it really is
a strange movie because this kid is so weird and
we're sort of on Billy Bob Thornton's side, and then
you see that the point of the movie really is
that the kid is so weird that he really is.

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He really does seem to be. He's not He's not
the what we want him to be. He's not a
kid who is traumatized and weird. He's weird because he's traumatized.
He's actually weird because he seems to be so pure
in the movie. And actually, and there's one there's one
example of something pure. We all want something pure, we

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want something you know, white Christmas again is about that
we want something pure. We want to experience Christmas and
you know, in it in its finest, purest form, I
mean we're talking about through entertainment here, and so Billy
Bob Thornton finally achieves that he finds something in this kid.
And and like any great movie, he has a kind

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of character arc where he actually grows. He actually grows
in the movie and you don't expect him to and
it ends up being a surprisingly touching movie. I mean,
it really is pretty fantastic. And you know, by the
way I'll say this, it wouldn't work if if we
didn't believe the characters, if we didn't believe that the

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little guy is going to backstab him or gonna be
a piece of you know, it's gonna be worse than
he is, or if bad Sana himself, we didn't believe
that he is that degraded in the movie, but we believe,
we believe that, but he has something warm in his eyes,
and so I think it's uh, it does end up
being pretty wholesome in the end of surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Yes, And it's literally like the last five minutes of
the film, like all all the the whole meeting is
all you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
I just realized, that's all it takes. I mean, you know,
he's a thief and isn't that the thief on the cross?
I mean at the eleventh hour, you know, he receives
grace and so well, that's what I.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Was gonna get at. So my the bullet points I
wrote down regarding Bad Santa was ritual is parody, talking
about the ritual of Christmas. The I mean, even the
Christianity when it's referenced, morality is inverted. Obviously we've already
kind of hit on that. Redemption is I ironic, reluctant, incomplete,

(01:50:01):
as we already talked about the I said it, I
wrote down, it's funny because it's sort of like the
collapsing of the belief in Christmas. That's one of the
ironies of it. That's what makes the audience laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
And that the end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
So this is my positive points is that it actually promotes,
by the end of the movie connection and this idea
that the vulnerable or the innocence still need to be protected,
which is the irony of the film because it's so vulgar.
It violates all innocence, it violates all purity, and the
message at the end of the movie is that you

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still need to protect the vulnerable and the innocent, which
is totally ironic based on how the film is, and
then the last one that there's a there's moral reckoning, right,
there actually is good and bad and Billy Bob Thornton
recognizes it in himself. And so even though the film
kind of portrays like, yes, he's a piece of shit,

(01:51:02):
Yes he's so vulgar, he's doing all he's a thief,
but it's like, is he really a bad guy or
is he kind of part of the modern times? You know,
he's kind of the product of It's twenty and three,
the twenty first century. But then at the end there
is a moral reckoning and there is a recognition, No,
there actually is good and evil, and he's trying to
do something good and give something to Thurman. Merman, who

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is the vulnerable and the innocent archetype.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Yeah, yeah he Yeah, just Gronel Docks like there shot
sthing this Groonalddox says, Thurman saves Billy. Yeah, I think
he does. You know, I think he does. And someone
said he's more vulnerable than an alcoholic who can't do anything, right.
I think that's part of it. You know that you
some of these movies, you also, I mean, the Grinch

(01:51:50):
is sort of deals with this that you know, these
characters who are beastly like this oftentimes are kind of
an extension of characters who want to do anything they
You feel like the guy in real life was a
person who wanted to do anything that he wanted, you know,
and and Billy Bob Thornton kind of does that. But
you see how awful it is. It is life. I mean,

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like when he's in Florida and he's pretending to be
the bar man, they chase him off. You know, he's
just he's just a pos But in the end he
sort of he does find redemption in this. I think
that it does have a kind of like you were
talking about, it does have a kind of negative theology,
like like negative capability, which is like, well, it's almost

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God is in his absence for most of the film
in terms of how they think about God. God is
not absent, but how they think how they don't think
about God in the movie, right, and then in the
end he is seems to be you know, they they
find his presence in terms of his redemption.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
So and and that's where I would say, if there's
anything that's really you know, how would masculinity fit in
the movie Bad Sand, I would say for Thurm and Merman,
that's what Santa is left as it's like his only
association with a sort of masculine archetype. His father is gone,
his mother has died, he lives with his grandmother and

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Billy Bob Thornton is the worst type of masculine man,
Like he's really not masculine because he's given over to
all his hedonism, his temptations, is sin. There's nothing left
there his greed, his gluttony, his pride. But at the end,
again this giving the gift giving the elephant back to
which elephant typically symbolizes his wisdom, giving the elephant back

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to Thurman Mermon at the end of the movie is
masculinity is still about protecting the vulnerable and the innocent, right,
That's what I took from is that Thurman Merman. Why
again he is my favorite character of the movie. But
he is just the archetype of like the most vulnerable
little boy, the most innocent, but the most naive, weird.

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He almost you want to beat him up, like he's
he's that kid, you know, like when you are a kid,
you know there's always that kid in the class, like
he's so annoying you almost do want to beat him up.
But that's that's who. Then Billy Bob Thornton ends up
protecting in the end, right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Somebody clip that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Yeah, all right, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Is that our last one? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Grinch is our last one? So where would you where
would you rank our four or four movies for tonight?
So me, personally, I would say number one thus far
and out of the four is White Christmas. Then for me,
I would put Jingle all the Way in Bad Santa
close to and three. Now, I bet you haven't inverted.

(01:54:55):
You probably have Bad Santa's number two. I have it
as number three, and I have Jingle all the wagh
is number two, the Grinch number four.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Mm hmm, yeah, my Grinches four? What's your Grinches is? Yeah,
it goes White Christmas, Bad Santa, Jingle all the Way,
which is way below those two, and then Grinch, I mean,
Grinch and Jingle all the Way are like something else.
I really. So my problem with the Grinch is that

(01:55:28):
I know that it has a positive message somewhere, okay,
and I know that I'm aware of it, and I'm
not criticizing that people love it. That's fine. I'm not.
I have no problem with people who like the Grinch.
My problem is with the thing itself. I cannot stand
this thing. I think it's again, uh again. I think

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this is a grotesque, macabre of me, just a just
a just a ghoulish slopfest of just a green goblin
grindle trying to eat children with Jim Carrey and a

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hair mask and a rat face. I just don't. I don't,
you know, the cartoon is even one thing, but the film,
I just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
I don't like that it's Ron Howard. I don't like
that it's you know, the poor little girl. I don't
like that the little I don't like that that there's
a little girl in the movie. I don't like that
the actress is a little girl. I think it's I
think it was cruel to have a little girl as
the actress in the movie. I think that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Point, is the little girl.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Imagine your you have a daughter, right, and and you
you've got a daughter, and you're like, oh, we want
your daughter to be in this movie. What's the movie? Oh,
it's got Jim Carrey in it. And I'm like, okay,
Ace Forture was good. I like that, can I be
on the set? Absolutely not. It's Ron Howard. Yeah, everyone
around your daughter as a s rat face from hell.

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Her main co star is this green guy who's complaining
all the time because of the prosthetics and the hair right,
and he's eaten onions and glass and he's like probably
doing it for real because he's you know, he's really
into it and he wants a serious role and he's
like where twenty million, you know, and Ron Howard's on there.
I just I mean, I'm I'm I'm, I'm I'm not.

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I don't mean to be glib here, as Tom Cruise said,
but I really don't like this. Part of it. Also
is that it came out and then is it two thousand?
It came out in two thousand. I remember when the
when the ads came out for this movie, and I
was thinking, what is this ship? Is this the new World?
Is this the new world we're into?

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Because it's cgi even the CGI like this was the
UK was the Grinch?

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
I thought, what d K was the Grinch? And I
thought and I thought, oh no, there's an event happening
in like nine months or something. Thing that's gonna be
It's it's gonna be war, It's gonna be Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
He was listening to the two thousand Alex Jones and like,
uh May and June's like, I know, I know those
towers are coming down.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
A second Grinch is just hit the box office. Yeah,
a budget of one hundred and twenty three million. Why
why would that be the budget? Why would that be
the I mean honestly, honestly, why would that be the budget?
Why would he have to sit through twenty hours of prosthetics? Why?
Why couldn't he just wear a Grinch costume? Why wouldn't

(01:58:34):
he just wear a hair cott? Whyouldn't he just wear
Grinch pajama bottoms? Like every persons trying to every other
in the morning. Yeah, so I don't know. Do you
tell me what's what's great?

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Listen that your Sam's Club attire?

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
I don't know. I'm not a member there. I only
go to Tarja.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
I forgot your your high class your costco Mmmm yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Yeah, I don't there's you know, I don't like to
be around the poores.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Somebody flip that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
So since for anybody who missed at the beginning, b
l A, Actually, you know, I thought he was a
serious researcher. Come come to find out he can't even
get three minutes through Jim Carrey's The Grinch.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
Mason said method on clinic Chic. That's that's that is
absolutely true. That's what that is. That's so Jason, you
guys have no that's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
So b l A actually did not finish how the
Grinch Stole Christmas the two thousand film with Jim Carrey.
So I'm gonna for anybody who hadn't seen it, give
the quick little plot overview. If you want to contrast
that with the actual book or the cartoon versions, the
differences there, feel free so to do it very quickly.

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The whole premise is that Cindy lu who is not
exactly afraid of the Grinch and sees the humanity inside
the Grinch, which brings Whoville and the Grinch together to
break this historic tension they have and the Grinch, this
entity that has been driven to the mountaintop living near
the Junkyard, has to do with him being humiliated as

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a child due to one of the more prominent women
of Whoville, who is the I guess girlfriend desired to
be fiance of the mayor, and so as it goes,
Cindy Lu, who's brother, goes to the mountaintop and sort
of awakens the ire of the Grinch at the beginning

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of the film, and eventually he comes back down to
Whovill to call his terror, which ends with him wrapping
Cindy lu who her father working at the post office
in Christmas paper. She is like, the package, if you will,
you could play off that symbolism. But my partner in
crime here didn't watch the film, so I guess I'd

(02:01:08):
be talking to myself. And what happens is she then
goes about trying to figure out who the Grinch is
because he actually saved her while she was going to
be caught in a machine. The reason why he wrapped
her in Christmas paper is because he needed to do
something animous towards her, and he saves her. He rescues her,

(02:01:31):
and she sees, oh, wow, the Grinch isn't all bad.
So then he does something after she says thank you
for saving me, he has to do something mean and
then wraps her in Christmas paper. So then she goes
on a mission to find out who the Grinch is
and she awards him. I forget what the somebody can
correct me in the chat what the term is for

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the sort of ambassador of Christmas each year, the Christmas
cheer spirit or somebody in the chat correct me. I
know there's this, and she thinks it should be the Grinch.
And the mayor who's a sort of self serving, a
grand eyze megalomaniac. He wants to be the the cheermeister.

(02:02:14):
Thank you, disgruntled docs cheermeister. That's exactly what it is,
so the cheermeister each year, and she wants to award
it to the Grinch. The Mayor wants it for himself,
for more status, for more attention, And eventually Cindy lu
who's able to get to the Grinch and tell him

(02:02:36):
that who will, has decided that he should be the cheermeister.
He comes. Everything's going fun, They're feeding in Christmas cookies.
He's being you know, stuffed and played with and kind
of used as like a doll figure and an ornament
of Christmas. And then he gets fed up, eventually destroys Christmas,
then avows to destroy Christmas further and then goes and

(02:02:59):
see everybody's gifts. Turns out eventually reconciliation. He returns all
the gifts, you know, and now the tension between Whoville
and the Grinch is no longer due to Cindy lu
who this young girl who is able to those those
she would be the most vulnerable of Whovill. She was

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able to see through and see the humanity of the Grinch.
He threw the facade or the animal that he's become,
and actually bring him and reconcile him back with the
community itself. So it's sort of taking one that's been
isolated and bringing them back into the collective. That's that's
the movie of the twenty or the two thousand film

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with Jim Carrey.

Speaker 1 (02:03:44):
Yeah, so I guess he decided to do this because
they thought he looked good, good and green in the
mask smoke curtain probably literally literally.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
I mean, I think Jim Carrey does a great job
in the film.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
I think listen, I got I mean, honestly, I think
and carry is I don't know, I don't know about now.
I guess he's a what's that guy's name, the mushroom guy.
What's what's Yeah, he's like a Terrence McKenna d MT.
He got too toxified on d MT. We're all just
dancing tetrahedrons on a plane.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
Of Ye, you didn't like the mask whatever, liar I like.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
I don't like liar liar. I love and I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
You don't like liar liar.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
I don't like liar liar. I don't like that. I
don't like liars.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
You like the you like the mask.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
No, I didn't really like the mask. I want it
because I thought the mask was gonna be super funny, like.

Speaker 2 (02:04:39):
Don't tell me you're one of those guys that liked
like the movie twenty three, Like that's your favorite Jim Carrey.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
That is that the one where he's like he sees
twenty three everywhere? No, I did not like that, and
I and I did not like the cable guy at all.
That's the one that he I don't like the cable guy.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
I'm not a big cable guy.

Speaker 1 (02:04:56):
I don't. I don't like you know, like hard hard
or dumb and dumber. Yeah, dumb and dumber and dumb
and Dumber's good.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Yeah, thank you, disgruntled docs. At least there's some sane
people here.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
So well, listen. I didn't like liar liar because again,
it was like it was. I think it's just how
old I am. It was just sort of after me.
The granch and this and Jingle all the way were
sort of it's kind of like teenage mutant Ninja Turtles.
For me, it was like I was already past the
age where that was cool anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:05:26):
So you're beyond Leonardo and Raphael. I see.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't really like that, but
this this movie again, I'm not you know, I get
I think that they're I'm not too negative about the
Grensch woman. I think that I like it when people
have a thing that they relate to Christmas, even though
it may seem, you know, to our based minds that
were it's what do you know, that's my ship? I

(02:05:54):
mean ship.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
Yeah. The Living Color is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (02:05:59):
Yes, the New Color is amazing. Yeah, but I was
I was a kid when that came out, so I
watched that, you know all the time. Yeah, Fire Marshall, Bill.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
Fire Marshall Bill, the female bodybuilder he played, Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
No, Jim Carrey was the ship and you know, I'm
you know, he was also based when it came early on,
when it came to us Stabby's you remember that I
don't know what happened to him and all that stuff,
and I'm not talking. I like it when people have
a thing that they relate to Christmas and it gets
them in the Christmas spirit. Even if it's a thing
like the granch I don't really care, you know. And

(02:06:36):
I think that I understand why people like it because
it brings to mind something innocent from their childhood and
something that's cool, A cool sort of fairy tale story.
That's fine. I just think it's a psycho sexual grotesque
and that it's you know, it's just it's just, uh,

(02:06:57):
it's weird. It's like infantilized over stimulation and you know, weird, weird, weird, hyperkinetic.
This is the New Men on film. I need that
one three snaps the world.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
But you know, but what about the Truman Show?

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
Dude? I love the Truman Show.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
Okay, but but this was one that I hadn't seen. Uh,
disgruntld docs said, Uh, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless minds now.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
So that one in Man on the mid So here's
the problem. The problem with Jim Carrey is that comedic
actors take on serious roles, and to do serious roles
they sort of break themselves to be taken seriously, but
by doing overly macabre or or sullen films like just

(02:08:02):
Just Dour and those are great movies. Eternal such other
of the Spotless Mind is a good movie. I think
Truman Show is a great movie because he's playing a
serious role, but he's actually playing a lighthearted character and
he finds redemption in this gnostic like you know, actual
gnostic world that he's in by guy creating you know,

(02:08:23):
Chris Christo, which Ed Harris should have wont An Oscar
for that movie. I created you for a television joke.
That's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
Oh yeah, The Truman Yeah, yeah, The Truman Show is great.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
But Jim Carrey is playing a light and see he's
doing something subtle there because he's playing a lighthearted character
in a in a serious universe where he is railing
against how they've put him in the into a prison planet.
I actually think he was good in Batman.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
Micro critique of the technocracy we live in in and
of itself and in reality TV, And I mean it's
a it's a great critique of the twenty first century.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
But if you want to have really if you want
to have a great You know, what actors should do
is they should actually have serious actors playing comedic roles
and see if they get that's much more of a
challenge than a comedic actor playing a serious role, is
to have a serious actor playing a comedy for hardly everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
Yeah, Me myself and Irene. That's another one. Thank you, Jason.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
It's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
That's a fantastic movie.

Speaker 1 (02:09:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
So it sounds like, what all this hate for Jim
Carrey and and.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
I don't have a Yeah, I don't have an ape
for Jim Carrey. I hate for the Grinch, Okay, the movie.
On the movie, I even wrote down a quote from
me myself. Oh that's a pretty lame. What did he said?
I can feel you can He's like, I can feel
you coming over my static radio. I can feel your fear.
That's a great That's a great fucking movie, dude. Yeah,

(02:09:52):
that's that One's really good. Me myself and Irene. It
is probably one of his top movies.

Speaker 2 (02:09:59):
So, in regard to the actual story of The Grinch,
where you where you ranking? Because much of the much
of your analysis has been focused on the role that
Jim Carrey plays in this two thousand film. What is
your analysis of The Grinch in total, regarding the animations

(02:10:20):
and even the more recent iterations of it as a
Christmas film? So now the Grinch as a category of
all the things that represent Grinch.

Speaker 1 (02:10:30):
Well, I I I you know, aside from my personal
thoughts about doctor Seuss, I'd have never liked doctor Seuss.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
Oh on, I got to dive into these Why why
don't you like Doctor SEUs? I don't like doctors because
eggs aren't green? Is that it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
Yeah, I don't like doctor Seuss because I don't like
nonsense world. I don't like that. You It's like you're
you're taking two different layers. You're taking a child and
you are. It's it's cool how he's introducing kids the language,
you know and sounds. But what ends up happening with

(02:11:08):
Doctor SEUs inevitably I don't know if this is his
intention or whatever, but is that is that kids get
older and they don't grow out of Doctor Seus's nonsense world.
So the love of language doesn't translate into a.

Speaker 2 (02:11:24):
Track I do and adolescens.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
I really do think that. And I really think that
Doctor Seul Silverstein and Lewis Carroll.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
They all exist in the world bringing back elementary school.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
Yeah, they all exist in a in a nonsense world,
which is a way of that. I think that there's
there's some sort of trap. And I never The reason
I never liked this is because I didn't like the
way the animation looked in the books. There was too
much There was too much like white. I can't explain this,

(02:12:04):
but there was like too much white on the page
with the books. No, this is this is doc That's
a whole other thing. I really hate. I really hate
shell Shell Silverstein. I've always I really don't like that.
I mean, and when I say don't like it, I
mean I'm being serious, Like it really makes me uncomfortable.

(02:12:25):
Shell Silverstein, that where the sidewalk ins and all that,
and and that and Doctor Seuss really really make me uncomfortable.
Alice in Wonderland and all that just really made me
feel like something was wrong when I was a kid,
Like I really don't like I don't like nonsense rhymes.

(02:12:48):
I didn't like words that weren't words. I didn't like
doorways that are like kind of wonky but they're not
real doors. You know what I'm saying to me, I
saw that one I was a kid, and I thought
that's some sort of trap, Like that's a that's a
trap world where you're gonna go and you're not gonna
get out. That that's and and I really feel I really,

(02:13:11):
I'm serious, like I really feel that when I'm a kidding,
I mean, I have such strong feelings about it, like hopefully,
God willing, you know, one day we'll have children. And
if we do, they are not watching this ship. They're
not watching this, They're not watching Alice in Wonderland, They're
not watching the Grinch.

Speaker 2 (02:13:25):
What about what about the Wizard of Oz? I mean,
how far? How far did this?

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
I didn't like Wizard of Oh No, I don't. I
did not like that ship, man, I don't like.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
I don't like and I saw it and this guy
is supposed to cultural I do not like work.

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
Listen. I was at a friend's house when I was
seven years old and his mom rented returned to Oz.
That also is what killed because Return to Oz is
is so dark.

Speaker 2 (02:13:56):
That I'm talking about the original remastered Wizard of All.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
I don't. I don't like that. I like Jesus does
like Wizard Wizard of Oz. In the fire Wizard of
It's funny because Wizard of Oz and Gone with the
Wind come out around the same time. I think the
same year. Gone with the Wind is fine with me
because it's also technicolor, it's historical. It's about the same with.

Speaker 2 (02:14:22):
I mean, Gone with the Wind is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
And when I was a kid, I liked I liked history.
I liked Alexander the Gray, I like Lawrence of Arabia.
I liked you know, With the Wind is a historic piece. Yeah,
and I like those things. I like things about, like
war or playing or imagination. You know. I did not
like the imagination given to me in a book like this.
I didn't. I didn't like I mean, like where the

(02:14:47):
was a Star Wars I did. I didn't really love
Star Wars that much. I thought it was cool, but
it wasn't like my thing. I just I liked. I mean,
when I was a little kid, I like g I
Joe's and stuff. You know. I like, I like like
guns and war and stuff, and I like playing outside.
But I you know, movies like this, and I liked
Swiss Family, Robinson and adventure and stuff. I didn't like

(02:15:09):
Wonky World with weird colors and things that are off
that aren't I see you do you understand? And like,
I'm not criticizing people that think this is cool or
that like it. That's I get it. It's just for me,
there's something off about that. There's just something a sort
of repulsive about it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
I think for me, I found it somewhat appealing because
it opened up the possibility of like these. I always
wanted this magical world, and that may have been why
I was so susceptible to like getting into psychedelics so
hard in my twenties, right that. I think that might
be and maybe you can argue it is a sort

(02:15:51):
of a nostalgic desire in a sense, like because there
is you know, the world is more magical when you're
a child and there's history and everything's not has an
irrational answer, and you know, things are supernatural, and then
that kind of dissipates as you go older. And then
I think the the Harry Potter obsession, it's it's kind

(02:16:12):
of adjacent to the psychedelic festival world as well, you know,
and it has to do with this sort of magical
quality where the bright colors, you know, like Alice in Wonderland.
I always thought was really interesting. And and when I
got older and then got into you know, LSD for
the first time, it's like, oh, I get it now.
You know, well, Lewis Carroll actually was another pervert. You know,

(02:16:36):
so many of these people are weird.

Speaker 1 (02:16:38):
Turns out I was right about a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
Yeah, it turns out he was kind of a pervert.
And yeah, he's definitely a pedophile.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
And tell me, tell me that I like Chronicles of Narnia.
I just did an entire series on C. S. Lewis.
I covered the entire Chronicles of Narnia. I covered a
bunch of his books. So yeah, I love C. S.
Lewis and I love Chronicles of Narnia. I love Narnia.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
So it sounds like it. It's not that you're anti
fiction now none. You love well detailed parallel worlds.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
You see, Narnia is not nonsense. Lord of the Rings, Yeah,
I mean I like Lord of the Rings. I just
I'm not I like it people. People has asked me
that because I feel like I should like it more
than I do. I just I wasn't really into when
I was a kid, I was in but I was
in Narnia. I really like Narnia. But see Narnia is

(02:17:28):
the opposite of all this. Narnia is ordered non Narnia
is a is a reflection of Christ. It's it's it's
a world where where Christ exists as Aslan and in
an alternate world. And it's not overly moralistic, it's not
overly dinactic. And it's it's and it awakens a sense
of the child that we once were. So it's for

(02:17:51):
adults and for children, and it's a perfect adventure story.
This this sort of stuff is not that and and
that's and again I think that these sorts of books,
like Doctor Seusan stuff, I think that you know, it's
like honestly, parents give these and read these to their

(02:18:12):
children because they have good you know, they have good intentions,
they have good they think. They think it's fun, it's colorful,
it's childlike. It's a classic, and it awakens language in
you because their sounds. But the problem is that again, uh,
the average person I think gets stuck in that as
they don't go beyond that, right, and so there has to.

Speaker 2 (02:18:34):
Be correct me if I'm wrong. So what I'm gathering
now from your analysis is the reason why you don't
like shel Silverstein or Doctor SEUs so much compared to
the Chronicles of Narnia of C. S. Lewis. It's because
even though it is a fantastic, magical world, fictional world,

(02:18:56):
that the layers of depth are so different that as
you grow older you can actually peer through the same
thing and find new insights. Where when you go back
to a Doctor SEUs as an adult, it is kind
of just there's you know, it is what it is.
It's on the surface level. There's not a whole lot
of depth there, and.

Speaker 1 (02:19:14):
There's a whole bunch there's a whole cultural cottage industry
that pops up around the Grinch, like with people, remember,
like people would wear like hat in the hat hat yes,
like at festivals and shit like.

Speaker 2 (02:19:28):
No, I think they're honest because I can't fit for
the life and me figure out how The Grinch is
the most popular Christmas franchise in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:19:35):
Yeah, because it's it's I think it's people's idea of
the innocence of youth. But they also many people never
and not people in the audience, but many people in
the you know world never got beyond that. So it's
kind of like when you ask, you know if people's
idea of what is great literature. And a lot of
people will say doctor Seuss and they mean it sort

(02:19:56):
of ironically, but it ends it actually is they actually
don't mean it in an ironic sense. That is, that's it.
And I'm not again, I'm not I'm not like judging.
You know, oh you have to have read you know,
Dustily Yevsky or something. It's just that it's some sort
of like Meyer, it's a it's a trap that is
meant to ensnare you or ends up ensnaring you or something,

(02:20:18):
and then you never move beyond if you if you
if you want playful language, you know when you're a
child and you move, you got to move beyond that
in steps and layers, and then you have to read yourself.
This is the type of thing that was read to
you when you were a child, and you never read
pasted it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
So yeah, well, I mean, it's it's hard not to
take shots fired at my audience because thirty five percent
of them who voted said the Grinch was the better
Christmas before, So you know, maybe maybe it's your audience.
But if you're gonna come over here and you're you're
gonna shoot shots at my audience. Man, I got gues
line somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (02:21:00):
Say, uh, I think this is probably this is this
is better as a Christmas movie. Then there was a
trend for a long time of movies that came out
at Christmas that were called Christmas movies that had nothing
to do with Christmas. The one I think of right
away is the movie Benjamin Button. Do you remember that
movie with Brad Pitt. Yeah, yeah, it was marked that

(02:21:22):
was marketed as a Christmas movie. It's a Christmas fairy tale.
Part of it takes place in Christmas, and it is not.
It is not.

Speaker 2 (02:21:29):
And I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
Kind of Grinch movie, like he ends up looking like
the Grinch because he's born as an old man and
he grows. I mean that's worse that that. That's actually worse.

Speaker 2 (02:21:43):
So yeah, and fair enough so in regards to so
how I mean, we've done at least ten, if not fifteen,
Christmas movies. Like I said, I believe this is our
fourth year in a row doing it. What is the

(02:22:03):
takeaway for twenty twenty five moving into twenty twenty six
gonna be the best year of our lives? Right? What
is your favorite Christmas movie? I don't know personally, So
I think we both agree that the greatest general Christmas
movie is The Home Alone one and two with Nichola Cocin.

(02:22:25):
That it has Christian undertones, it's wholesome, it's family oriented,
it's still kind of funny, even as an adult. At least,
it's something that's it's not so juvenile, even though it
is outlandish, it's ridiculous, never could happen. But I would
say Home Alone one and two, and I correct me

(02:22:45):
if you feel differently, generally, mass market, that is the
best Christmas movies.

Speaker 1 (02:22:52):
Yeah, I agree, What is your personal?

Speaker 2 (02:22:55):
Because my personal alone per se, what is your personal.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
My personal favorite Christmas movie is White Christmas because I
watch it with my family.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
I wasn't expecting that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:07):
You didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:23:07):
You didn't say that when we reviewed it. Yeah, yeah, man,
if we're gonna get all seriously, you got to tell us, hey,
this is my favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:23:16):
Actually, well, I watch it with my family every year,
and it's it reminds me of you know, it reminds
me of family and Christmas again to me, is very special.
And I'm about the you know, just a couple days,
we're about to go down there and be with my
family again. All my cousins will be there, all my

(02:23:36):
aunts and uncles, my mom and dad, my sister, and
we have a big Christmas together, And I just it
means I'm just very lucky and I'm very God has
blessed me.

Speaker 2 (02:23:48):
I celebrate on Christmas Day together. Oh yeah, yeah, we'll
be down We'll be down there for the average Christmas.
You take yours?

Speaker 1 (02:23:57):
Oh well, I don't know. I mean it used to
be like, I don't know, twenty five people. We all
will all be in my grandparents I was about twenty
four people. And my my dream, my dream is because
what happens when you get older is that you know,
you're if you have siblings and stuff, they have families,
and then eventually you know, if you have a like

(02:24:18):
for instance, if the matriarch of my family, my grandmother,
when she when she passed away, which was thirty two
years ago, two days ago, which she when she passed away,
then it's like then somebody else has to take over.
So if if a cousin who's older doesn't take up
the mantle, then it sort of dissipates. And my dream
is that that we will create a family and that

(02:24:39):
then we can and then as we keep going, then
we'll be able to buy a big house and that
I can have my entire family come here. And my
dream is that I want to have Christmas every year
with my whole family, my whole extended family, and they
all have a place to stay in my house.

Speaker 2 (02:24:58):
Downtown.

Speaker 1 (02:24:59):
We we want them to be here. We want them
to come up here. Okay, we go down there and
we want them to come up here, and they'll come
travel up here every year, and that they won't have
to bring my idea of a perfect party. I like. Okay,
so let me just take a little sidetrack here. But
throwing the party. The thing about Christmas parties, as I feel.

Speaker 2 (02:25:18):
Like we're getting in the Christmas spirit here.

Speaker 1 (02:25:20):
This is an etiquette thing that that that I I'll
just in part that I hope maybe people can take
it or not. You know, when you go when you
have Christmas parties, and if you get invited to a
lot of parties, if you have one party at five
and another party at seven or whatever, a lot of
people will go to the party. Then they'll say we
gotta go, we gotta go to the other party. I
think it's whatever party you accept first, you stay at

(02:25:43):
the party. You don't leave the party to go to
another party. If you accept it first, you stay at
that party. They deserve Yeah, they deserve your your respect,
you know your loyalty, and you can go to the
other party next year. You should. They should have asked
you soon.

Speaker 2 (02:25:56):
You probably hate Vince Vaughan's for Christmas movie.

Speaker 1 (02:25:59):
Yes, yes, I don't like that. I just don't like that. Yeah,
just right off the bat. And my idea of a
perfect party is, of a perfect Christmas is to be
able to have Christmas, all the whole families here and
nobody needs to bring anything. You don't need, I don't
need anybody asking can I bring the potato salad? Can

(02:26:20):
I bring the They don't need to bring anything. Will
have everything for them, will provide everything. We'll have a
place to stay for them. You have a room, you
have a bed, you have it. That's what I want
for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (02:26:32):
And so I think that that's really holds and that's
that is the I think that is the ideal of Christmas.
When you just talked about reconciliation, making sure annually that
the family bonds that are both the nuclear and the
more extended are nurtured and reconciled and in place because

(02:26:55):
those are your people, you know, like that and and
that recognition. I think that's that is something that we
could all think about, whether you have a large family
or not, is potentially belonging to and contributing to that's
where you're talking about having children, but contributing to the

(02:27:15):
opportunity to have like large Christmases where you are nurturing.
I mean that is that is the point of Christ's birth.
That's what he's doing with humanity when he incarnates. And
so the idea of becoming successful enough not for the
vanity of having, you know, Forrest Gumps House in Virginia,

(02:27:37):
but so that annually you like that, but annually being
able to actually have a true large family Christmas. And
and that's yeah, that's one of the things I think
that's really the ideal. Well.

Speaker 1 (02:27:54):
I think that when we learn, especially you know, as
as man, you learned that when you were young, you know,
you you wanted presents, and you you your idea of
Christmas is is getting stuff. You know, you and and
basically when you're a child, all you do is take
because that's that's fine, because you're supposed to do when
you're When you're an infant, you can't do anything you

(02:28:15):
you you everything's done for you. You can't you can't eat,
you can't you know, you have to be nurse. And
then as you get older, you you want things. People
give you things, but real, real idea. And that's great
because we're supposed to have a childlike spirit and you know,
the greatest of the you know, whoever is not like
the greatest. You know, these children cannot get into the kingdom.

(02:28:36):
But I think that like as we get older, we
learned that Christmas is really for the look on the
child's face when the granddad gives him a present. You know,
you learn when you're older that there's not really.

Speaker 2 (02:28:52):
The present, right. So I've been a gift card and
I and I was thinking about this is the because
my my wife, she's more of building or getting people
like a basket type gift that is a lot of unique,
specific things to that person collectively, so it doesn't have
to be one one big thing, but it's a it's

(02:29:15):
a it's an offering to someone that is uniquely for them,
which is a collectors of things that they think that
she thinks they would like, where I'm like, here's fifty
here's one hundred dollars gift card, you know, like go
get And it really values again the gift giving spirit
of what the point is and the remembrance because we
all remember gifts we were given as kids, and it

(02:29:36):
couldn't even it may not even be just like your
point with grandfather, maybe a gift that someone gave you
wasn't your favorite gift, but it had to do with
the relationship of the meaning of the gift and who
it was from.

Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that the point
of being a grown man is so that you can
afford things for your Part of it is that so
you can afford things for yourself. You know, if you
want some thing, you can go buy it, right, I
mean that's part of it. You have a job or whatever,
and then and then it's you can get a family
and you can support them. But but also once you

(02:30:09):
keep going, it's that it doesn't matter you don't Like
I think the older you get, you probably don't really
want anything for Christmas. You just want to be able
to give to your wife and to your kids. And
and I think that that's I mean, who wouldn't want
like millions of dollars so that they could give presents
to I would I'll say this. I I when I

(02:30:32):
was when I was nineteen years old, I went on
a mission trip to Honduras with my fan with my
uncle in Mississippi, his church down there, and we went
to Honduras and I was the middle of the summer,
and uh, we brought Christmas presents and we were up
in this village, up in this mountain village, and uh,

(02:30:52):
I won't get too much into it, but that it
really it really, it really it changed my life in
a way that really it messed me up for a
long time. It messed me up because we brought these
presents and it wasn't like it wasn't like you know,
donating things to the gym and you know, you give
them to kids or whatever. It was like, we had

(02:31:13):
things and we gave them to these little kids, and uh,
they it was one of the most joyful it was.
It was probably the most joyful thing that I've ever
seen in my life. I mean they really they really
didn't have anything. They had nothing. They were very very poor,
and uh and it really it fucked me up, like

(02:31:36):
for a long time, I think a lot of people
probably here here have gone through something like that. But
it wasn't just that, you know, I realized all that
I had in my life and that they you know,
and I was thankful, and I hadn't really appreciated that.
It was it was that I couldn't understand how there
could uh, there wasn't that I could. It was like

(02:31:58):
I couldn't understand how there could be a world where
I was allowed to see how happy these kids were
to get this stuff that, if that makes sense, I
could not. I didn't feel I could not understand how
I had been given this sort of gift right, and
it really fucked me up for a long time. So
my idea of joy is kind of to be able

(02:32:21):
to make that, to give that. And also I will
say this is one of the last things I'll say
that is that remember somebody asked about C. S. Lewis
earlier and C. S Lewis this idea in Narnia, how
he ends Narnia and his idea of how we think
about heaven is as a child, he says, the term
is over, the holidays have begun. So it's the feeling

(02:32:43):
that you have when school is out and you go
to Christmas break. You're you're free for Christmas vacation, and
that is what heaven sort of feels like. That's the
joy of Christ, what it feels like to be free
in Christ. And so I think that's a sort of
perfect ending for me for for where we are.

Speaker 2 (02:33:03):
No, I totally agree. Now I answer the question what's
your favorite Christmas movie?

Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
Well, that said, yeah, yeah, I think of White Christmas.

Speaker 2 (02:33:14):
Oh yeah, you said White Christmas. That's right, that's right
where you on know it's a wonderful life.

Speaker 1 (02:33:21):
Yeah, I remember we covered that and I there was
I've gone through sort of phases with that. I I
don't really like watching it right now because there's so
much pain in the movie that he goes through. It's
sort of very painful to watch. But I think it's
a great It's a great Chris Christmas classic. Come. But
it's gonna take a few years for me to get

(02:33:41):
back to that one. Because Catherine loves it so so I.

Speaker 2 (02:33:44):
Would say my personal favorite and watching every year has
to be a Christmas vacation. Yeah, it's just and White Christmas.
My wife loved it. This was our first time seeing that.
I used to watch it with my dad so I
grew up. The reason why i'm, you know, gone with
the wind. My parents are in their mid seventies, so

(02:34:07):
I always had older parents when I was in high school.
And my dad is very much he's a boomer, but
he's almost more of the World War Two generation because
his dad was so much older when he was born.
So the music he likes, the movies he watches. I

(02:34:27):
grew up with a lot of the older stuff, so
I'm much more. I'm very familiar with a lot of
those things. So I love those movies, and we watch
as many of them as we can, especially with my wife,
because they're just so wholesome and there's always there's always
big takeaways there that anybody can can gleam from them.
But Christmas Vacation, I think it still makes me laugh.

(02:34:50):
Uncle Eddie, I already know what's coming. It's just every
year it just I look forward to. And I only
watched that movie, like it has to be after Thanksgiving,
it has to be in the month of December and
after Christmas. I don't watch any of that stuff, so
it's only like from December first to basically December twenty
fourth or twenty four.

Speaker 1 (02:35:10):
Do you do you have a movie to watch, like
the night of Christmas after like for instance, a Christmas party,
or like or the next day.

Speaker 2 (02:35:20):
You know, I don't have anything specific. When I was
a kid, my mom did read it to Night Before Christmas,
so we had a pop up version of it, and
so my mom or my dad would read that at
least when I was small. I mean I was around
a lot of older boys because my best friend was
my neighbor and he had much older brothers. So at

(02:35:41):
a very young age, I was spoke to a lot
of stuff, So I knew Santa wasn't real pretty early.
But when I did, what they would do is read
it to Night Before Christmas, and it was like this
pop up version. But that's the only thing that was
there really ever a tradition on Christmas Eve other than
going to church, right, you always go to church, hold
the candles. Yeah, But after that, it was you get

(02:36:04):
one present and you can and you listen to uh
it's a night before you know, listen to the reading
of it tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:36:11):
Did you always pick the what you knew would be
a good present or the worst present?

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
A medium present?

Speaker 1 (02:36:16):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:36:17):
Yeah, yeah. My parents sometimes would box them, so it
wouldn't be obvious.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
Yeah, but I knew who was from and it was
usually it ended up being memory.

Speaker 2 (02:36:27):
And I feel like so many of those presents were closed,
which you hate as a kid, Like the Christmas Eve
present was so it's like a jacket or your grandmother,
you know, got a sweater or some outfit. So yeah,
I'd say that that would probably be be mine. So anyways, guys,
let's go some through some super chats. I know, we

(02:36:47):
have a few questions and and bl A pull up
all yours or anything that you want to highlight or comments.

Speaker 1 (02:36:53):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:36:54):
Well, Emmanuel throws in fifty payesos and says, I don't
like to be around the pores unless it's the bold.

Speaker 1 (02:37:04):
Yeah right, yeah, he knows, he knows. Kinds hilarious.

Speaker 2 (02:37:16):
I catch that while we were alive.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
That is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (02:37:19):
Yeah you know it is what it is, Yeah Christmas
him as Junius says base take Hey.

Speaker 1 (02:37:28):
Hey, shots out, I got a super chat here in
my cash. I shouts out to Ethan right there, he
said for them, dphbl A streams the twenty bucks. Hey,
thanks Ethan, really appreciate you man, thank you so much
for all the support. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:37:42):
Thank you guys, and we need I just need twenty
our twenty super chat, so two more will reach our
goal for tonight. Guys. And so if you if you
are in the giving spirit for Christmas, feel free to
send in two more over on my channel to reach
our goal for tonight. And if you're feeling even more generous,
give some Total crew memberships or some BLA memberships. Austin

(02:38:07):
Detulio throws intent, says, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to you. Austin.
Brady Harvey throws in five says let's get them super
chats in folks. Doctor Dph can't grift on his own,
so I'm out here for the assists. Thank you very much, Brady,
I got it. We got to get better with the grift, man.
I don't know if you've been seeing how these Orthos
streamers are doing it online, but you know Andrew and

(02:38:30):
the Jim Bobs of the world, Jay, these these guys
actually know how to be an e diva and we
need to get better at this. So everybody's telling me
I got to learn how to grift better. But anyways,
thank you very much, Octavian, do appreciate he says, we

(02:38:52):
was the grift for two bucks Christmas gripts the Trinch grift.
There you go, that's actually the true meaning of the Grinch?
Is Grinch a jew? Hmm hmmm?

Speaker 1 (02:39:09):
I mean yeah, it seems like, yeah, he's a he's
a well, yeah, he's a Grendel type. Really he really
is a Grendel. He lives in the mountain like Grendel like.

Speaker 2 (02:39:21):
So yeah, Gorilla Biscuit for five bucks says sorry, this
is random, but have either of you heard of Gentle
on My Mind by Glenn Campbell? And what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (02:39:34):
It's kind of heard of. You were always on my mind?
You know. No, I know that. I know you were
always on my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:39:43):
I know I'm not familiar with this song.

Speaker 1 (02:39:47):
I know that song. Don't Cry Daddy heard that song?

Speaker 2 (02:39:52):
Was that your childhood?

Speaker 1 (02:39:58):
Well? After this? Oh, did you ever get did you?
Did you ever get threatened with like lumpsome coal for Christmas?
I did?

Speaker 2 (02:40:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:40:11):
Yeah, the first time I lied was at Christmas and
I got in big trouble for that one. I had
to say, don't cry, Daddy cry No, but yeah, my dad,
my dad will always get mad because my my Christmas
Night movie after the Christmas party, like the Night of Christmas.

(02:40:32):
He'd always since I was fourteen, I've always watched the
movie Natural Born Killers, and he was always every year
he comes down, What are you watching? Why are you
watching it? Why don't you watch something in the festive spirit?
He turns it off. Only love can kill the demon.

Speaker 2 (02:40:54):
Oh oh, Thomas h says, I actually have a Christmas
card from my dad I'll never throw away. Well, that's great.
He sent it to me on December nineteenth, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (02:41:07):
That night.

Speaker 2 (02:41:08):
Oh my gosh, she passed away in his sleep. I
think that card will stick with me more than any
gift I've gotten. Wow, Bro, that's heavy. Yeah, that would
make a lot of sense, you know, Lord, have mercy
memory eternal to your father. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41:27):
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Speaker 2 (02:41:38):
Yeah, I go ahead and chill it.

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(02:42:03):
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Speaker 2 (02:42:06):
And it's kind of like it gives me like a
warrior poem vibe.

Speaker 1 (02:42:11):
Yeah, Klaus Barbie. But but you know, it was inspired
partly by Christmas. I one of the best Christmases I
had was I was living in Europe and I met
my family came over to we met up in Rome.
I flew to Rome and oh, that would be and
we stayed at the hotel right about the Trevy Fountain
and we uh, we're there for the entire Christmas holiday.

(02:42:33):
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Speaker 2 (02:42:45):
So yeah, and oh and also to me, Hey, Greb,
do you have the abbreviated Amazon link? Because links are long, I.

Speaker 1 (02:42:53):
Just put it in there. It's a short link. It's
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Speaker 2 (02:42:57):
Uh put it in the uh our our chat so
I can share it on stream yards.

Speaker 1 (02:43:03):
So it goes posted on stream yard. I can't know, Okay, yeah,
it should be. It should pop up right there. I
don't know, but it's also it's also at my It's
on my about page. It's on every stream you see it.
No hold on, let me put it in here.

Speaker 2 (02:43:22):
Here you go, right, yeah, I got it. Here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:43:33):
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Speaker 2 (02:43:38):
Also, here we go, Here we go, There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:43:46):
And tomorrow night, by the way, I have a stream
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night on my channel, I'll be covering a bunch of stuff,
including I'm doing a stream on what's called The Hounds
of Love, so I'll be covering Sherlock Home this literary stream,
I'll be covering Sherlock Holmes and the Hound of the Baskervilles,
the poet Lauiot Ted former poet Laurio Ted Hughes talking

(02:44:08):
about hounds and then the esoteric and his wolf watching,
and also what else. I'll be covering the new Netflix
series The Beast in Me as part of that, which
is with Claire Danes and Matthew Reese people. It's very
popular right now, I don't think any I don't know
if anybody here has watched it, but I'm gonna discuss

(02:44:30):
that because it deals with Beasts and it's really Matthew
Reese as a Ted Bundy character and it's a pretty
well done series. So that in Sherlock Homes Literary Stream
tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (02:44:41):
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It's some of the best literary analysis out there. I mean,
the amount of text he covers on a regular basis

(02:45:04):
is incredible. I'm doing a course over on the Logos Academy.
We just did session one on the Orthodox Survival Course,
which is basically Father Sale from Roses attempt at highlighting
the intellectual history of the West post Schism and how
it differentiated from the East. And we just did two
chapters last night and that was five hours, and so

(02:45:27):
we're just now only going to do one chapter out
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I find myself to be a bibliophile. But Bla, one

(02:45:49):
of the things I truly respect about the guy is
how much he really legitimately reads. It's incredible, and so
shout out to you and your channel and everybody go
over there and subscribe. I'm telling you, it's quality stuff.
All right, Let's keep going here. So Octavian says, how
did die Hard not make this list? I will say,

(02:46:11):
we've already covered die Hard and we had very positive
things to say generally about die Hard. So we've done
ten I think almost up to fifteen. We need to
make a list we're gonna have.

Speaker 1 (02:46:24):
We've covered We've covered a bunch of movies all together too,
by the way, Yes, I got a ton we like
thirty movies or something altogether.

Speaker 2 (02:46:34):
Yes, it is something of that nature. So I even
have first play list just all four. I think it's
called movie reviews. It's only me with BLA. I need
to check how many.

Speaker 1 (02:46:45):
There's a bunch more too from that list. There on
a list. And the first time they dinged you, by
the way, was I think it was during the movie
we covered Fallen with Dene Remember, I think that was
the first movie where they dinged you in the middle
because you're playing the open and it was it was
like Warner Brothers. Yeah yeah, ding yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47:09):
Yeah, no, that was That's still a great movie. But
uh yeah, so we've done Diehard. I think die Hard.
We we argue maybe we should do Lethal Weapon one.
I don't know, do you consider that a Christmas movie?

Speaker 1 (02:47:23):
Sure? Yeah I do, Yeah, I do. I mean why not?

Speaker 2 (02:47:29):
There? There are add the Nutcracker, Lethal Weapon one for
next year, Santa Claus with Tim Allen, and then Miraica.
Yeah yeah, what did you what did you say?

Speaker 1 (02:47:42):
America America on America Street.

Speaker 2 (02:47:45):
Yeah, that'd be the four right there? Those are those
are four classics right.

Speaker 1 (02:47:49):
There, Miracle on thirty third Street. Yeah, we should cover
those next year.

Speaker 2 (02:47:59):
Yeah. So no, Diehard makes the list, just not my favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:48:05):
Yeah, that's sort of outside of that.

Speaker 2 (02:48:07):
Sean throws in two. Thank you very much, brother, really
appreciate it. Lockstep, I'm not kidding. I got my son
a Turboman for Christmas. I wish I could show you guys. Wow,
that's awesome. Well, actually, you know what, lock Set, that's
almost like the or boris of consumerism. Right, so the
film we just did a meta commentary on it about

(02:48:28):
how it's you know, hyper capitalistic American consumerism, and now
you get to give the gift that keeps on giving,
and you get to give it back to your child,
so to one proud American to another.

Speaker 1 (02:48:42):
Or you'll put it on eBay where it'll be bought
by like a thirty year old.

Speaker 2 (02:48:47):
A thirty year old. But Fido dust on his keyboard
and very strange images.

Speaker 1 (02:48:54):
It is funny how Jingle all the way and and
the Grench have the same riot that occurs for the presidents,
like at the beginning of the film, right when the
riot within the mall for the turboman is the same
thing that occurs at the beginning of the Grench. How
they're freaking out about getting the presence. But it's the

(02:49:14):
same sort of kinetic, sort of frenetic spirit that with hyperconsumerism.

Speaker 2 (02:49:21):
So yeah, he says, I gotta send a picture of it.
The box look just like the movie. That's funny. Maximus
Spike says, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to you and your family. Brother,
thank you very much for the support, and Putt Putt
throws in ten. Thank you very much. New viewer here,

(02:49:42):
been loving the streams for the past few months. I
got to mention the Three Godfathers. Ooh, we have not
covered the Godfathers of nineteen thirty six version. It's super
Christian and tear jerking if you have eighty one minutes
to spare.

Speaker 1 (02:50:00):
No, I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 2 (02:50:02):
No, I haven't either.

Speaker 1 (02:50:03):
No, but that is that? Is that a take on
you know, the Wise Man? There is a movie. There
is a David A. Russell movie, Three Kings, by the way,
that ties it with this. Also George George Clooney, Rosemary Cliney,
George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg. Remember that movie from two thousand
about the about Saddam and they're stealing the gold. But
it's anyway, it's about the Magi. But it's three I

(02:50:26):
mean by extensions three Kings. So maybe we should add
that to the list. That's a kind of forgotten movie,
right Christmas Christmas parallel, So.

Speaker 2 (02:50:36):
Let me just check dono chat Nope in stream labs.
Do you have any any other super chats or any
comments you want to make.

Speaker 1 (02:50:46):
I think that's it you guys. Thank you to just Gronald.

Speaker 2 (02:50:49):
Dox through in five over here Grifton Ain't easy, Eternal
Sunshine for the Grinchaw's mind.

Speaker 1 (02:50:58):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (02:50:59):
Thank you so much, Discrenold Dox. Merry Christmas, Blessed Nativity
to you and your family. Brother. I hope you guys
are doing well. The only thing I have to shill
is my Logos Academy. I will say, guys, if you're
interested in reading stuff like we're going through Father Sarah
from Rose, it's more like an online class because I
already go over the material and kind of prepare a

(02:51:20):
prep talk, but it's semi lecturing, but it's more me
working through the document and a group of men can
talk about the topic having already read it together, and
it's a really fun experience. So if you guys are
interested in that, do go join us over at the
Logos Academy. It is a men's only community, but if

(02:51:41):
you're interested in learning and working through things, especially Father
Sarah from Rose is the Orthodox Survival course, which is
very much Orthodox history, a lot of philosophy and cultural
historical stuff. So hopefully the value that I bring is
adding commentary on how we understand and how all this
stuff fits together as we move through the text. So

(02:52:02):
that and if you guys want my book Returned to
Babylon from Adam to Antichrist. Those links are in my
video description. I'll share the I need to get the
shortened Amazon link. I don't have it on me. All
that stuff is in the video description, but do grab

(02:52:22):
a copy over on Amazon. And if you want to
get an author copy, I'm waiting for the next shipment.
I just got sold out of all the author copies
I have to sign, so if you order through my website,
I apologize. I'm not going to be able to send
anything out before Christmas, so those are gone. But if
you still would like assigned copy, go through my website.

(02:52:43):
I can share that link right here. So thank you
guys very much. BLA, God bless you brother. Merry Christmas
to you.

Speaker 1 (02:52:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:52:50):
I look forward to the streams we do. They're always fun.
There's always an insightful because we watch the same thing.
We do not discuss anything beforehand other than what we're
going to look at. And I appreciate your friendship too,
So in regards to reconciliate Man, I love you, God
bless you. Congratulations to you and Catherine. I wish you

(02:53:11):
guys the absolute best, and I wish you personal success
and I wish that you get your Plantation in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (02:53:19):
Yeah, well, thank you, sir, I appreciate it. Thank you
for having me again. I wish you and Jinny blessed Nativity.
I hope you guys have a great Orthodox Christmas on
January January seventh, January seventh, And.

Speaker 2 (02:53:36):
We're actually new calendar, so it's the same as the past. Yeah,
it's just twenty fifth, you know, we're new calendar.

Speaker 1 (02:53:42):
Well, I hope everybody out there has the merry Christmas
and a happy new Year. I hope that we go
strong into twenty twenty six and we have a you know,
they've been getting you know, we keep getting better and
stay positive and stuff and and we just try and
give and love each other. And also, everybody should buy
your book. If they don't have a copy of your book,

(02:54:03):
they should buy it. Of course it's high IQ analysis
and you are a PhD. So you guys please buy
doctor Harry's a book again. I'll be live tomorrow night
about six o'clock covering Sherlock Comes. Lots of literary stuff
coming up, and I'm on vacation starting tomorrow offerings. So yeah,

(02:54:25):
that's it, everybody, love y'all. Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (02:54:28):
That's right, Merry Christmas, and I may be I plan
on having a few more streams before we actually reach
the birth of our Lord and saviors, so I'll see
you guys in the next one as always, until then,
God bless

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