Are Peptides the New Steroids? with Dr. Michael Moeller

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
The hell.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is doctor
David Patrick Carey with Church of the Eternal Logos, and
I am joined by friend fellow Orthodox Christian naturopathic doctor,
doctor Michael Moehler.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
How you doing today, sir, I'm doing awesome. I already
kind of told you we uh had the iron mer
streaming icon here. Yeah comes yesterday. Yeah, it was true
for a couple of days. Actually, his father, Nicktarius from
Hawaii came to the clergy conference obviously, So yeah, quick,
a couple of days in, a couple of days out,

(00:51):
and I think we're gonna have it again in December.
So we're spoiled over here. Gives you all, gives you
all excuses to come up to Boise, Idaho.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Absolutely well, I've heard nothing but good things about Boise.
So today we're actually going to be diving into peptide steroids,
men's hormones. We've kind of hit on peptides, we haven't
done like a full discussion on it. And for anybody
watching this, this live stream is actually joined with a

(01:20):
private Q and A that's going to be following with
doctor Michael Mueller.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
If you're a.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Member over at the Logos Academy, we do private q
and as with various people. We just did one with
Father Gabriel. What was that at the beginning of October?
So a lot of theological questions. People have a lot
of questions about Israel. Uh so we dove into a
lot of controversial areas. And that's the point is that
the men over at the Logos Academy can get a

(01:48):
unique private access to some of the member or some
of the guests that come on the show, but guests
that will join us in the academy.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
And today doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Mo is actually going to be joining us for essentially
your getting a free private consultation.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I mean they what do you charge.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Two fifty three fifty for a thirty minute consultation? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I uh, you know, I practice nepotism, forgive me. So
I usually tell guys don't. I don't like money being
an issue. But yeah, my normal rates three ninety five
for the hour, two forty five for the half an hour.
And you know, I'm outside the insurance system unfortunately, so
I don't I can't build insurance. There's ways, but it's
super complicated, and then then you're not practicing medicine. You're

(02:30):
just doing what the insurance company tells you. So yeah,
my jam right is a hormone optimization and just getting
guys as young as in their you know, in their
teens upwards to fifty sixties one guys in his eighties.
So not medical advice today though, right, I'm happy to
give out this is what I would do in your circumstance,
right exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So if you guys are interested again, uh, you actually
have it your blood work done, or you want to
learn more about TRT, or you want to have specific
questions for doctor Moe, go and sign up over at
the Logos Academy again to men's only academy for philosophy, theology,
masculine development, fitness, health, and so.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's where this is going to lead to.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
So we're only going to be live today for maybe
an hour, maybe an hour and a half hour a
half at the absolute most. So it's going to be
a pretty gam packed stream. So if you guys have
questions on this free side the live stream, feel free
to throw those in and we'll knock out any questions
that people have. But to begin this stream, we're going

(03:36):
to be talking about peptides, and I just started a
cycle of BPC one five seven and if anybody's interested, Actually,
doctor Mo got me hooked up with a company called
level up Health. Do you want to kind of introduce
level up Health and why they have quality supplements?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, so a couple of different things. Sorry sho alert guys.
It is what it is, and honestly, it helps the
channel out when you help us out. So if you
like the content, it's a win win. You know. I
got into peptides, you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, learning
about them, and it's funny. The owner and I have
chatted multiple times. I did a deep Dive podcast with

(04:17):
him about six months ago. Kyle, And it's tough to
find good stuff that has good manufacturing practices and certificate
of analysis. So I trust this stuff. I use that website.
I use another website called full script for my supplements,
but I think the stat is something like seventy to
eighty percent of the supplements on Amazon or bunk. Look,

(04:39):
I can like you know what dphr Yeah, Patrick, sorry,
we could whatever. We could go and buy this stuff.
You know, if you can get it at wholesale, dump
it out and throw it full of rice powder and
cut the price in half, so you have to be vigilant.
And I get it, like they're going to be more
expensive than other places. But you know, I'm not twenty anymore.
Like I'm done order and stuff off of sketchy websites

(05:02):
and whatnot. Most of peptides are super safe, don't get
me wrong. But I know the owner. I've worked at
the owner, we podcasted, and I just trust their stuff.
I take it personally myself. I'm not going to put
anything in I'm that way. Even we can chat about
injectables at some point, but I'm not. I'm I'm not
ever telling my patients to do anything I wouldn't do.

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And I'm pretty visual in about, Okay, what am I
putting in my body? So I like their stuff, I
take their stuff. I got, you know, tons of different
things we can kind of chat about today. I've been
taking it for probably over a year now, and I've
worked with other companies too, so and he's good. He
gives a nice kickback, Like he gives a discount if you.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
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Speaker 1 (05:49):
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Speaker 2 (05:52):
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code cotal c ot e L and yeah, they're a
bit more expensive. That was my first comment to Michael.
I was asking because I was interested in BPC one
five seven. So anybody who's just now hearing about peptides,
we're going to get into what exactly they are and
how they work.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
But we were talking.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Actually it was brought up more recently in one of
the Logos Academy meetings.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
The think tanks is that.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Shout out to Nubie. He knows who he is. He's
one of the members over at the Logos Academy and
he's top ten in the world strongman competitor, Orthodox Christian
and so he had recently had an injury in his
knee and.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
He's going to have I think it was a moniscous tear.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm not positive, but it was some type of tear
in his knee and he was wanting to get on
BPC one five seven to aid the recovery process. And
so that led into a conversation about peptides and what
peptides are and which peptides people were using, and BPC
one five seven kept coming up and don't confuse it
with the product over here, Wolverine, but BPC one five

(07:03):
seven does have a sort of street name as the
Wolverine drug because it helps you recover. So I just
started this Monday, this came in, so basically four to
five days I've been taking BPC one five seven and
I have noticed I've been having a ailing tendon muscle

(07:24):
problem with my left forearm. It's tied with a little
bit of golf, a lot of working out, and I've
noticed that actually, just kind of loosening up, I can
feel my left hand my grip strength kind of return.
It feels a little bit stronger. So I don't know
if it again. I'm one of the questions I'm going
to ask doctor mo here is how long does it
actually take? Is this a placebo effect that I'm having?

(07:48):
How long does it actually take for it to begin working?
So this is so if you guys are interested, if
you if you want, if you're serious about your health
and you want to start getting into some of these peptides,
I highly recommend this website.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Use promo code code.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
We get fifteen percent off, but the quality is guaranteed.
That's one of the reasons why you're paying so much,
is that these are very high quality products. But can
you speak a little bit about VPC one five seven,
or maybe let's begin with let's begin with peptides in general.
What are peptides And let's begin with the premise of
today's stream. Are peptides the new steroids? Because that is

(08:25):
one of the conversations we got into was actually in
one of our fitness meetings talking about peptides because Newbie,
who competes in World Strongman, he was talking about how
they get tested for peptides, and so the debate rage
then in the think tank are do peptides make you.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Non natty non natural meeting?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
You know, everybody knows if you take gear or you natty,
that's the famous question and bodybuilding at the gym.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And so for him, he he you know.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
He didn't make a strong decision on whether he's natty
or not if you took peptides. He is natural and
so he's never taken anything because of the testing for
his competitions, and so that led to people saying, well,
is peptide just kind.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Of the new steroids.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
They're not as regulated as some of the other drugs,
and so there's kind of like this window right now
that they exist within. What are peptides, doctor Mo? And
are they the new steroids? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, I mean no, they're not exactly. It depends on
what you're kind of looking for it. And usually the
quick and dirty is like, right, you have a protein.
A protein is made of amino acids. So the famous
one people are familiar with is you know the old saying, Hey,
I had turkey at Thanksgiving dinner and I was tired afterwards. Right,

(09:47):
and when you eat meat, meat is made of amino acids,
and turkey has lots of trip to fan in it.
Trip to fan turns into serotonin, and serotonin turns into
melatonin is another amino acid, and it turns into el dopa,
dopamine epinephrine. So in order for your body to make

(10:08):
the happy hormone dopamine, you have to consume some tyrazine.
It's in a central amino acid. There's if fenyalinine turns
into tirezene. That's old or biochemistry kind of angle. But
the reason that these amino acids are essentials because we
can't make them right, Like fat can turn into sugar,
sugar can turn into fat, but you have to eat
protein because your body cannot make serotonin without trip to fan,

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So that makes sense. So that's one of the amino acids.
So if you remember biochemistry of all these amino acids,
and then a peptide is just a string of them,
and when you string them in a certain sequence up
to forty or fifty, you have a trot, you have
a dipeptide, and then you have a tripeptide, and they
do different things in your body. Have you heard of glutathion? Yes,

(10:55):
gluta Thion is a tripeptide ECG, which is funny, that's
a whole other uh So it's glutamate, glycine, and cysteine,
and you probably heard you can take anocetyl systeine to
increase your glutithion levels. Gluthon is your body's main antoxidant.
So every bad thing, inflammation, all the bad stuff that

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happens in your body, glutethion comes in and is ultimately
with vitamin seeing all these other anoxidts are doing. So
these peptide sequences can do tons of different things. Insulin
right is released when your blood sugar goes up, and
it drops your sugar into your muscles, and into your
into your liver. So when we say peptides, dude, it's

(11:37):
like huge. There's like a ton of different directions that
we could go in, and what people are most excited
about is their therapeutic benefits. You know, BPC one five seven, rettititruetide,
semi glue tide, trizipeitide, those are for weight loss. Five
amino one MQ is a peptide that helps increase nad

(11:58):
uh you know, e grifting increases your growth hormone. So
there's just a plethora of things. It's kind of like
saying supplements, but when we're talking about peptides, we're just
talking about these multiple sequences of amino acids and then
they do things in your body. Right, That's why you
can think of insulin and glue to thion are two
popular ones that most people have heard.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Of, and so BPC one five seven that's probably the
most popular.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
One right now. Would you would you agree on that? Yeah?
I would say so so BPC one five seven it's
naturally found in our gut. And the way I kind
of explain it is that they were originally doing research
on mice and rats and trying to figure out things

(12:44):
for colitis, right, things for which is inflammation of your
colon so ulterate of colitis Crohn's disease IBS, And they
found great benefit giving these my this more of this
naturally occurring amino acid sequence BPC one five seven, And

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then some bodybuilders like, huh, well, if this increases and
heals the gut lining, I wonder what this will do
to my shoulder. So guys started injecting it any everywhere.
And that's the other thing with the peptides. BPC's naturally occurring,
so it's going to be very hard for a pharmaceutical
company to patent it, so there's very little research with
them unfortunately. So that's something you need to be very

(13:26):
vigilant about. Hey, you're going to go on and start
playing with these things. There's one out right now called
SLOOP that's very popular for weight loss. It has no
human clinical trials at all, just a rat study out
of you know, shout out to Saint Louis University. It's
probably fine if you had to ask me, like, is
it going to be safe? Yeah, but right now it's

(13:47):
not proven. So BPC has a decent amount of a
couple human trials on it and more mice trials as
far as safety, and then anecdotally, I'll say, dude, people
have been selling this stuff all online and if something
bad would have happened by now, someone be sued. That's
just my two cents, right, you know what I mean.

(14:08):
And on the back end it works. Yes, Like I've talked,
I've chatted about T or T before, like when I
was in med school and like, you know, you come
to me, you see your shoulder hurts, and I'm like, yeah,
it takes some turn eric, take some fish oil, take
some glucosa. Mean pet I said, Ivy, you know I've
be broken works. Let's be honest. If you're like, hey,
your should hurts tomorrow, what are you going to take? Right,

(14:28):
I've be broken is going to do the job versus
in fish oil. Maybe. But with the peptides, they're right
up there with like actual medications, like your shoulder, your
elbow hurts. It may not get rid of it instantly
and all of it, but almost always when someone's doing
a peptide. You want to talk about weight loss, people
using semic glue, tie t zipotide, we can get into those.
They work. They make you feel full, that's all they do,

(14:49):
So if you don't have food noise, don't waste your
time with them because they slow down your digestion. But
for the masteroid people, they work, And what is that
worth for a person who's in their mid fifties thirty
forty pounds, Alzheimer's, diabetes, hearts is all those things. So
the peptides work, there's some of them. You know, those

(15:09):
are are patented and have good research on them, but
BPC doesn't really doesn't really it could use way more
human data. And then to complicate stuff, the FDA came
out and was like, we're not saying these are illegal,
but we're also not saying they're safe. It was this

(15:29):
big document that came out last year where they basically
had that on I can't remember the sket like the
non bulk substance category that they're like, hey, we've heard
about this thing because you know, like when you go
through clinical trials, the FDA comes out and says, hey,
look at Thailand, all been through clinical trials, it's safe,
go ahead. Five hundred people a year of diet overdose.

(15:51):
So again that's that whole battle with the FDA. Correct
me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
The FDA is basically said, we can't say if these
things are safe. We're not endorsing peptide use uh use
it your own discretion, but we also can't say that
they're harmful.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah. That was basically their statement, right, Yeah, and they're
going to word it in a way to like get
you to stay away from it, in my opinion, because yeah,
they made.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It sound like, well, this is you know, this is
unknown territory.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Uh it did you know?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I read the document the after we talked, and it did.
It did if you trust the science, you know, the
Fauci science. Uh, it did make you think, oh, man,
maybe I don't want to take peptides. There's there's a
lot of uncertainty with it.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well, and I'm conservative, I you know, I basically will
say that to any person, like, hey, the I literally
lead with that not FDA approved. There needs to be
more data on it. It's probably not. There are a
few that are FDA approved that we can get into.
So I don't want to jump around too much. But
BPC one five seven, Man, it was one that I
started using. Uh. I tell the story of I had

(16:57):
this elderly woman in her mid seventies and she had
very bad. It was hit. It was hit pain, hip pain,
hip pain, or back pain. And we chatted and this
was like twenty eighteen. I said, you know, you're in
your mid seven, Like, there's this stuff. It's not FDA approved.
I don't really know, but sounds like you're in a

(17:18):
rough spot. Like what do you got to lose? She
was like a year later she emailed me. She's like,
doctor Moe, thank you so much. You know what I
didn't tell you was that I actually had depression. I
was constipated back pain. And she goes, Honestly, my hip
pains went from like a seven to a five. But
she's like, my bowels are moving again. My depression has lifted.

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And that's because with BPC, what makes it very special
is it is a helps regenerate your gut lining. Right,
most people have wreck guts. So if you come to
me and you go, hey, which which one should I try?
I'm like, I almost always tell people oral BPC if
you're injecting right. And someone even asked the issue with

(18:00):
injecting is you got to get it sourced good and
then and then anytime you got to know how to
mix it. You got to be comfortable with needles. Are
your needles good? Do you get them from a good spot?
Are you storing it correctly? Way more variables. Do we
have a gut lining for a reason, Like worst case
you absorb it, it goes to your liver. You know,
you can have an ambleflactic response to anything, like you

(18:23):
literally like there's people who have done curve cuban ivs
and had antaflaxic responses, you know, like theirroat closes up. Yeah, people,
there are people someone died so stem cells. There's people
that did stem cells and died because their body just
reacted to them improperly, because they went straight into the vein.
So I would say always start with something oral if
you can. And the benefit with BPC is like worst case,

(18:46):
it's going to try and do something and heal your
gut lining because most of us have some form of
either dysbiosis or gut permeability. Right your gut as a
lining that doesn't allow everything in and antibiotics, g life
to say, dyes, colors, chemicals, all these things reck our
gut lighting. So most people, I'm like, dude, for one

(19:06):
hundred fifty bucks, Okay, yeah, what's a PT session one
hundred two hundred dollars to go into your cairo. Like, okay, dude,
try a bottle BPC first, right, worst case nothing happens,
I'd say sixty seventy percent of times people notice something.
There's a small twenty percent of people I'd say, like,
didn't do anything for me. I gabus, thank you brother.

(19:32):
He's got the Byzantine flags in there. It's always based
coming on here. So yeah, I'm a big fan of BPC,
just like most people. And it also seems so a
couple other things it does. First thing, it helps heal
the gutlining, but it's also been shown to increase angiogenesis,
creation of new blood vessels. Also been shown to upregulate

(19:56):
growth hormone receptors, and that's why a lot of times,
like my my first go to is optimizing a man's diysosterone.
And honestly, the first peptides I usually use, depending on
where we're at, are the growth throne peptides, so we
can get into those in a second. But BPC works
synergistically with the growth rone peptides. It's up regulating the
growth hormone receptors, so they complement each other. Those are

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probably the two bigger, and then there's also something that
it's modulating with serotonin. The issue is our gut has
more serotonin than our brain, the happy hormone, right, we
have more of that in our stomach. So I think
if there's one side effect, and I'd be interested if
there's been people here who have used BPC. I'd love
to hear your feedback first off, like let us know, like.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I please, I just started, and so is it placebo
effect or is it? Could it be legitimate that I
feel like I'm the muscles it all around my elbow.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
The aching isn't as bad as it was, so I
would say conservatively placebo. Sorry, Like if you want me
to be conservative, less conservative, I'd say, well, at the
very least, it's probably helping your gut and that's going
to help with systemic inflammation. Right. The issue is when
you have a leaky gut, large proteins get into your

(21:16):
bloodstream and then your immune system attacks them, which causes inflammation,
and then in the attack there's byproducts. Right, So so
many people that have, like you know, systemic inflammation a
lot of times, like dude, try and heal that gut first,
So go to that. I mean that's if you go
to a natchbath the doctrine something's wrong and you're tired,

(21:37):
you're fatigued, whatever it is. They're like, heal the gut first,
and dude, I did. I treated a ton of gut
gut stuff, especially when I was in school, and I
kind of gave up on it, to be honest, because
it's it's complicated. Is it a food? Is it mold?
Is it lime? Is it da da da? Like I honestly,
I kind of call it offensive medicine, Like you can
have defensive medicine, like what what where's this coming from?

(21:57):
What's going on? I'm my dude, just just nuke it, bro,
like just go at it, like I don't know what's
causing it. And like BPC is kind of like that thing,
if that makes sense. And if I wanted to shill
another product for them, though, they actually have one that
is called gi Ultimate Repair, so you can go, okay

(22:17):
one is I I had another? I dude, I have
so many success stories obsessed with crones and colitis. Like
I have a guy at church. I gave him a
bottle on the house and he's like had terrible gut
stuff for years. Like I don't even want I don't
want to ounce him. But he's like doc, I can
eat again, and I feel like I can actually eat.
So could be placebo, but I don't care. Bro for
one hundred and fifty dollars and you're going you can't

(22:39):
eat and now you can eat like I don't. I
don't care if it's placibo like whatever works. Man, right there.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I had a question for you about like nootropic stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
So I was I was interested in whether or not.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Whether or not there's a no you know, I take nootropics.
In fact, you you prescribed me a bunch of supplements,
you know, natural supplements and stuff to take and seeto choline.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
It goes on and on.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
You sent me, you signed me up for like six
different things. Well what about these peptides. Is there a
peptide that's known for for like a it's a great neotropic,
because I would be very interested in getting it.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, well number one I would again, I hate to
be a BPC is like it. A lot of people
will tell you they sleep better, more energy, more mental
focus because of the gut. If you have an inflame gut,
you're gonna have an inflame brain. Then if I had
to pick just one, that would be difficult because they
they all work slightly different, right, But if I had

(23:42):
to pick one, I would probably pick probably five amino
one m q. Five amino one mq. Many have you heard?
You've heard na D? Yeah, of course. So NAD is
basically the way I It's like, your mitochondria is a
coal plant and your NAD is a truck that is

(24:04):
carrying the coal in and out. That makes sense. As
we age, we have less trucks. So na D is
what carries electrons during when you're creating energy. And they
originally started doing high doses of an A D i
VS for you know, opiate addiction, traumatic brain injuries, and
solve tremendous effects because you're just giving the coal the

(24:26):
plant you need superpowered mitochondria. The more powerful your mitochondria is,
the more you can do everything. It's a power plant.
It's a powerhouse of the cells, monochondria and five amino mq.
What it does is actually blocks the breakdown, So you
can increase your NAD different way. You can inject it subcutaneous,
which is the way I actually like. And then it's

(24:47):
like there's a ton of other people out there, like
what's his name, Sinclair? What's his name? Brian Johnson, Right,
Who's who's the guy you did the trends? The transhuman
guy who's like doing weird stuff with his son and
measuring their erections and stuff. Oh, Brian Johnson, Brian Johnson, Right,

(25:07):
I think he's These guys kind of do more, like
more with NMM, which is the precursor, so you can
take oral, you can take the precursor. My opinion, what
I've noticed beens is either doing a subcutaneous or doing
five amino ONEMQ to increase NAD and I notice cognitive clarity,
energy focus. But again the issue is you could get

(25:31):
injectable NAD. It's just more expensive. You're looking at two
three four hundred dollars. You're having to poke yourself a
couple times a week, where like you know, five amino
ONEMQ is probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred
dollars for the same amount. And they they have a
product that's called Longevity that has that it has five
MN in it the precursor. It has coursetin, which is

(25:52):
an antioxidant. It also has like epitalion, which is another
peptide that helps with teleomere length. Right, And that's why
I like Kyle's stuff because he has a combination of
several things. That one's good too. That's the neurorogenate. That
was the second pep. I'd say five of.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Meter to one mq.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
That one has one called die hexa and die hexa
basically like stem cells for your brain. That's one I have.
I have two. I have that one right here. So
those are these are like the couple that I take.
I take the five of me, I take the longevity,
I take the the neuroregenerate, and that the other one
I take is they have a methylene blue one. Those

(26:31):
are the three that I take, Like I rotate them
right with minotropic stack, Like I'll do one on Monday,
when on Wednesday, one on Friday. So I'm boosting my
mitochondria through different pathways. I don't think you could do
them all at once. But it's like, you know, that's
a pretty expensive stack.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, that'd be a pretty expensive cycle because the again
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the concept of peptides if anybody wants to use these,

(27:08):
but they're not cheap.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
These are very high quality.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
But this is something I'd be very interested in because
I take some of the nootropic stuff that you sent me.
But based on how I've felt since, really, after about
two days on BPC, I started to feel a little
bit more energy, just being able to work a little
just a little bit more stamina, like while I'm sitting
here at the computer for five hours, not getting as

(27:34):
mentally tired. And I thought, geez, if I feel this,
if I feel like this after five days of BPC
one five to seven, I need to get like some
type of peptide nootropic.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, we live in a world. This is the this
is the double edged sword. Coming from the Orthodox perspective
is like, you know, some of the first guys I
put on t r T were skeptical and they were
in their mid thirties, and they all came back like
two years later. There were high performing guys in San
Diego and they're like Doc, after I've been around a while,
Like every guy I talked to is on Tier t R.

(28:10):
You know what I mean, like your ear, Like all
the Hollywood people, they're on hormones, they're on peptides, you know,
the weight loss ones like those hit like Elon Muss
took semic glue tide, Kim Kardashian took semic glue tide,
Charles Barkley, like all of them. They work, you know
what I mean honestly, but there is kind of that
balance of man, you know, like vanity and more so

(28:35):
just like the transhumanism things like do I want to
pump my body full so many things so I can
just make more money? Like the capitalistic mind right right,
that's the you know, theological you know, that's kind of
the more difficult part. But I'm not was.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I just want to maintain or if possible, to restore
myself to a fuller potential just in general. And so
we've talked about all the indricon disruptors and you know
from everything that we use everything in our society, the food,
the water, and so for me, it's like I thought
about getting a neotropic peptide, just like you said, sort

(29:13):
of nuke instead of being defensive about it, just like
let's just be offensive and if this has, if this
works something like stem cells and helps grow neurons and
will make me building new synaptal connections even easier than
it's like, well let's do it. Yep.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, And that's you know, we've had that conversation about
especially for hormones. Like it's funny I saw there as
an MD and he made a post about he put
his son on T or T at sixteen. I don't
know about that, but he's like, dude, my sonse testosterone
was like two hundred. It's like, you know, you're not breastfed,
you have head injuries, you're being swamped in g life

(29:54):
of state, blue lights, vaccinate, all these different things. I
don't know where that line is, but like you're saying,
you wake up in a world like okay, I'm looking
at a screen all day, Dude, I look at all day.
So it's like, am I just supposed to put up
with that? Or should I not take an antioxidant that
is going to help with the the you produce free radicals,

(30:16):
like that's what antioxidants offset and we have way more
of it. And don't get me wrong, your grandpa had lead, right,
You've seen the Spider Man meme. Yeah, he's like, you know,
my grandpa with lead, my dad with agent orange, and
me with microplastics. Like, it's not the first time for everything,
but I do think it's it's it's quite a bit
different now with the amount of microplastics, with the fragrances, Like, dude,

(30:39):
you go into you know, a restaurant and you're getting
sprayed with the fragrances. Those are intercrendestructors. Those are definitely
like estrogen receptor agonists, so they're they're mimicking estrogen. So
why not take things to boost my mitochondria that fights that, right,
Your mitochondria is what's going to power yourselves to detoxify

(31:01):
and then give my body extra glutathion to detoxify. Right, So.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
We got a couple questions that I want to get
your thoughts on. Major thank you goes out to Jake
the Guitar God or Jack the Guitar I always say
that Jack the Guitar God through in multiple two dollars
super chats and said, let's get this twenty goal for
brother dpach gentlemen, let's go. Please, Thank you very much, Jack,
God bless you, Brother Hope you're able to join the

(31:29):
follow up meeting. Again, for anybody who just joined, this
stream is leading into a private Q and a basically
a free consultation. If you remember at the Logos Academy
with doctor Mo. That's my men's only philosophy, theology masculine
development community.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
So Jack, God.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Bless you, brother, Thank you for all the support. Man
really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
And Keenan beats God bless you. Keenan. I hope you're
doing well.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Brother. I haven't been able to catch up lately. Would
love to catch up with you, he says. Gentlemen, I
have a buddy who decided to go on estrogen blockers
instead of TRT. He had low T, but now he
feels great. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh? Yeah, the estrogen bad. It's funny. I actually have
some videos coming out. First off, I can understand why
he would feel better, but I'd like to say that
estrogen is good.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Estrogen gets demonized a lot. You need estrogen for your cholesterol,
you need estrogen for your bones, you need eschen for
your brains, nitric oxide production. Estrogen helps you feel good,
right If your estrogen's low and Gandalf shows up at
helm's deep. You're not going to tear up right, your
daughter's walking down the aisle, You're not going to tear

(32:43):
up like you need estrogen to feel connected. Now, again
going back to our earlier conversation, the issue is we
have lots of zeno estrogens in our environment, which means
there are things that look like estrogen. They hit our
estrogen receptors and then they cause an issue, and they're
not necessarily bioidentical, meaning we don't know what they're doing.

(33:04):
Like BPA is a xeno estrogen, and you know, like
probably have some in here in my topa Chico honestly same.
And this was like what am I supposed to do?
Not just drink water? I mean I could, you know whatever?
So when that zeno estron goes in there and hits
my estrogen receptor, you will get guyo comet, like if
you get your estrogen.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
This is what bitch hits are from what we you
refer to as a soy boy.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, guino and soy is a xeno estrogen, so it
hits the receptor, not like estrogen. We don't want that.
We don't want zeno estrogens. We want actual estrogen, actual estrogen.
Is fine. Now to couple that, your fat has more
of the enzyme called aroma tase, think flour aroma. We
have testosterone and gets converted into estrogen by aroma tase,

(33:53):
and your body does a natural conversion of that. And honestly,
when your testosterone is high, it creates lots of free
radicalst works as an antioxygen inside of your minochondria to
offset that, like increase power the from testosterone. Okay, you
need estrogen, that's the first thing I want to say.
But we live in a world where we have lots

(34:13):
of zeno estrogens, and then we also live in a
world where everyone's overweight. So because everyone is overweight, they
get an over aromatization of their testosterone. Like you and I. Like,
you could go on TRT right now and you'll be fine.
Right I'm on TIERT. I have hundreds of guys on TIERT.
None of them are on estrogen blockers. All of their
estrogen is probably higher than your friends. I have estrogens

(34:34):
in seventy eighty ninety. The reference range is under forty.
So the issue isn't the estrogen. The issue is often,
like you know, chemical exposure. If he's overweight, he's over aromatizing.
He's getting hit with these zeno estrogens. So for a
moment he's gonna feel good. But the issue is your
testosterone gets converted in estrogen and they take in aromatase inhibitors.

(34:55):
That stops that, right, Okay, bad idea. It may work
for a little bit in my opinion, and maybe is
estrogen's two or three hundred, But now your estrogen receptor
isn't even being hit by estrogen. It's only being hit
by zeno estrogens. So you know, I would say, look,
sometimes there's very few circumstances that you need in romatase inhibitor.

(35:16):
Guys who are on gear, you can have some genetic
deficient snips and what's called mthf rce UMT you may
need an like I don't even like saying that publicly,
honestly because it's like so rare that that's an actual thing.
But our old school idea of TRT, and especially from
coming guys on gear and getting guy ino camastia, they

(35:37):
translated that over to TRT. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So asking this well, eating soybeans and drinking iba.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
And and look, you can get away with it, you know, Honestly,
if you're taking NAC helps increase good ofthign which helps
decrease estrogen. So if that, if that, if you you know,
if your friend was my patient, I'd say, let's work
on the diet life. Like where are your zeno estrons
coming from? Plastics, perfumes? Do you work in a barber shop?
Are you working somewhere that you're touching these zeno estrogens?

(36:10):
Are you overweight? Let's get you to lose some weight
and then we can use sell them. Zinc is a
minor aromatase inhibitor, dim calcium de glue crator natural supplements
that will lowered them slightly. Because the issue with the
estrogen blockers is they block your estrogen by like eighty
to ninety percent, so they nuke your estrogen. Like you
have an estrogen at eighty drops like eight and if

(36:32):
you're a guy and you're working out and you're trying
to squat five hundred pounds in your estrogens, that of
a nine year old woman not great, dude. Estrogen's also
important for collagen synthesis, Like there are certain people that
are now actually a men in the in the biohacking
world who are actually taking estrogen, injecting estrogen and feeling
great and feeling awesome. It's very counterintuitive, but we've been

(36:54):
we've been filled with this whole like, you know, estrogen bad,
but it's you usually only in the bodybuilding And the
other thing in the bodybuilding world is they're using Right,
you have your regular testosterone, which will naturally go on
estrogen naturally going into DHD. Great, But when you're using
anabolics like nandalone is a lot like progesterone, oxandrolone, anna

(37:17):
var is a lot like DHT, they don't act like testosterone.
Part of the reason a bodybuilder takes oxandelone or anavar
is because it won't convert in an estrogen and it's
actually three to five times as anabolic is testosterone. So
when you start playing with all that stuff, maybe you'll
need an estrogen blocker. And the issue is, like thirty

(37:37):
forty years ago, most of the HRT stuff was coming
from like, well, what's Arnold doing, what's Sylvester Salone doing,
what's Ronnie Coleman been doing? And it's like, dude, that guy,
he's not you. Dude, You're not Ronnie Coleman. First off,
But there's nuance and I personally really try and stay
away from blocking estrogen. I think it's good for guys.

(37:57):
There's maybe some small people that you could consider it,
and I would work on other things first, and it
may be fine for now, but he should measures cholesterol.
I guarantee his cholesterol is being nuked his growth hormone.
Estrogen's important for your growth hormone. Guys who take in klamaphine,
which we've chatted about, Yeah, it modulates the CHAN receptor
on the brain. Almost all the guys lower their growth

(38:19):
hormone with it. And maybe the risk first reward is there,
Like maybe your guy, your test is three hundred, your
growth hormone, your IGF one's two hundred. Maybe it's worth
it to go on in klamafine and get your test
to seven, eight, nine hundred and your growth throw want
to drop to one hundred and you feel better. Right,
that's the point my opinion, that's what a doctor should
be doing, not just like giving protocols like what's your

(38:40):
risk first reward, what's your goals? Let me explain everything
to you and then we'll figure out the right protocol.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Right, there's always a give and take. There is no miracle.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
No free lunches, dude, you have to there's going to
be some kind of output, you know, Like on testosterone,
it makes your blood slightly more viscous. Right, Lance's Armstrong
took EPO to make his blood more viscous. TJ. Dillashaw
Mma Fire did the same thing. They carry more oxygen.
But the issue thing is like, if your blood is
more viscous, is that probably good on your heart?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Probably not?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
But Okay, let's say you're at forty eight percent viscosity,
you get on TRTE and it goes to fifty does
that take ten years off your life or ten days?
And on the other end, does the increase in oxygen
capacity help your mitochondria and actually extend your life? Like
you know what I'm saying, there's these gives in takes
that we don't have great answers for, and especially in

(39:38):
the peptide world, a lot of people are just throwing
stuff out there. And the other thing is because it's
not regulated. There are plenty of gurus influencers and I
get this with bodybuilding coaches right, Like you're at here,
you get a new personal trainer, and your personal trainers like, hey,
you need to be taking five hundred MiGs a test
a week. You need to be on twenty five miligrams
sox Angela, and you need to be on VPC. You
need to be on Red True Tide. You need to

(39:59):
be It's like, yeah, because your personal trainer once you
get results, right, So I have to talk people off.
I literally had a call today with a patient who's like, Hey,
I'm going to start running, you know, fifty milligrams of
ox angel because my buddy at the gym told me that.
I'm like, yeah, I mean, you'll put on muscle man,
but we don't. And look, to be honest, I've kind

(40:20):
of said this publicly that I think in the future,
I hope there is a space that we can use
antabolics appropriately because they're more powerful than testosterroon. So, if
you're a fifty five year old guy and you're going
in for a back surgery, I personally think it's probably
worth taking some ann of R for six eight weeks

(40:41):
or some nangul and six eight weeks before and after
the surgery just to get and then you know, is
that hard in your heart? Maybe a little bit, But dude,
you have a back surgery. They're slicing your back open
and pulling you open and like fusing your spine. So
is that not a good risk versus reward to try
and regenerate quicker and get up and going. You're fifty
five years old, so we can't have those conversations though unfortunately,

(41:05):
I hope we get there at some point.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
So I want you to address we welcome, We welcome
all naysayers.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know, people that may or may not agree with us.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
So we've got a couple of people that are viewing
the use of peptides or focusing so much on hormone
regulation is somehow non orthodox, and so in the flow media,
you know, God bless you, brother. He says, don't take
TRT man unless you really need it and want to
depend on it the rest of your life. If the
Saints need it. If the Saints didn't need it, neither

(41:40):
do we. And then this was followed up by Nathaniel.
He says, God agree, keeping a stack and watching all
this sounds a lot like a lot of headspace wasted.
I don't get that unless you just don't have that
much space in your head. How lost in the sauce
With money and time, are you going to spend tracking
all this.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
What are your thoughts on that, doctor Mo? Yeah, I mean, dude,
and trust me, I thought about this a lot as
I became Orthodox, and I think a lot of converts
have to deal with this that you know. We have
a tattoo artist at my church who does a lot
of non orthodox tattoos. We have the saints as examples.

(42:21):
A lot of them ate bread only three days a week, right,
and a lot of them are monastics.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
By the way, I am a lay married man, so
that's certainly a different content.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I see that all the time by the young.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Guys who want to compare their life in twenty twenty
five as a lay Orthodox Christian to like monks on
Mount Athos, same place.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
You have a different role in the church. Yeah, and
it is, but it's good for them to be visual
at bring this up. I'm not here to say I
just and I would say, similar to anything, you should
talk to your priest about it. Like you may be
in a circumstance, like if you've had substance abuse, or
maybe you're caught up in vanity or you're doing it

(43:02):
for the wrong reasons. I hope I can look at
this objectively and say dude. I when I was twenty seven,
I got out of school. My testosterone was in at
one point in the mid twos, but often in the
mid three hundreds. I'm two hundred pounds now. I was
one hundred and sixty seven pounds at one point. I
got tiny cause I was low motivation, low drive, couldn't sleep,

(43:23):
working two jobs, driving all up and down LA. And
as I started practicing, I had guys who were forty five,
and they come to me, Dude, this is my patient, Like,
do this every day? A guy forty five. I have
three kids, I work full time. I can get up
and go to the gym. I can excel at work,
I can play with my kids when I get home,
or I can you know, hang out with my wife.

(43:43):
I can do two of those every day, maybe three,
never four of those. And it's like, well, dude, your
tesosterone is three hundred and so what am I supposed
to say? Oh, well, wake up early and try harder.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Like that was, And trust me, I've had other doctor
friends who are like, I make my men earn their testosterone,
meaning like, let me do all the natural stuff for
six months, twelve months to a year to naturally boost
it in a perfect world, I one hundred percent agree.
But the dude who's forty five and thirty pounds overweight,
he's not you know what I mean? You have to
meet people where you're at. Like, I'm not a priest,

(44:16):
but part of being that is you. How do I
help this person sitting down in front of me? And
there are plenty of people I put on hormones and
taken off of them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Every person has their different opinions. So that's why my
visits an hour and actually need to get to know you,
Like what is your goal in life? And I don't
see why TRT is any worse than alcohol, smoking, nicotine, Like,
there's plenty of other ways. People go, oh, you know
TRT is dangerous. Dude, Bro, you didn't have an online
bank account, you know. I think that's a fallacious form

(44:49):
of argumentation to compare life in twenty twenty five and
be like, well, the Saints didn't do this or that. Okay,
you know, the Saints are a spiritual ideal for all
all of us, but the lives and circumstances are very different.
And as you already talked about, the indigrine disruptors. Like
the world that we live in is very different. I
imagine you grab a saint from Mount Athos in the

(45:12):
medieval period, his testosterone was probably still pretty damn high
compared to the average like man in the Western world.
I mean, even take a decently masculine man and their
testosterone may still be fairly low. Yeah, and you should
be vigilant, you know, like I said, watch now for vanity.

(45:32):
Why are you doing this? Yeah? And I also get,
you know, the headspace argument. I think there can be
something there, Like it's a lot of time and effort.
I think the thing that I would push back is
due to a lot of people have different hobbies. Like
is father Moses in his heavy lifting heavy weights ors? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, but his father Moses because he power lifts and
focuses on supplements and things like this to optimize his health.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Does that make him like non or do I mean
he's a ro core priest. Yeah, so's exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
The things weren't bathing and life to say, Yeah, hey, bro,
I've been Athos.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
They have cell phones there. You know, I could tell
you a lot of other things. They have air conditioning
in some of their cells, like it's not what you
think it is. So, but I am with them, like,
trust me, I have to keep myself in line, like
why am I doing these peptides? Personally? I hope that
I become a better person. And any guy that's been
on t r T almost universally tells you I'm a

(46:30):
better father. I can go to church, I'm more social.
I show up, but you can get a you know,
there can be negative stuff at Bouchier Libido. Trust me.
I had a woman, an orthodox woman's like, how can
you be giving all these young men testosterone in particular
to dallaphil It increases the passions, Like, yeah, they should
be talking to their spiritual father. I'm not their spiritual father.
I'm their doctor. And you come to me and you

(46:52):
say I have this issue. My job is to help
you deal with the side effects. And trust me, I try.
I have my I always have my in the back.
I almost always try and talk about spirituality, any type
of you know, chance that I get with patients because
it's important body mind and soul, like it all goes together.
So and it is tough.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
You've chatted a lot about transhumanism, like where is that line?
Like dude, we didn't get to do the natural question. Like, dude,
peanut butter is not natural, Like you want me to
like go over, Like where does the natural thing end? Pilot?
All is not natural. Vaccines are not natural. You do
not find these things in nature. You know. Topo Chico

(47:36):
is not that, Like it's a sparkling water that has
artificial flavors in it, Like, I get it. The argument
most people have with natural is there's a cutoff when
you do bioidenticals and it messes with your feedback loop.
Does that make sense? Like that's the cutoff where most
people like, hey, BPC is a naturally crering amino acid supplement,

(47:56):
right that exists in your gut tea or tea is natural?
But I'm pushing myself into super physiological levels. Women who
take birth control are not natural, right, that's the crazy thing? Like, Okay,
so the sixteen seventeen year old girl will give her
progesterone an estrogen, But if I give a seventeen year
old male testosterone, then it's wrong. And I'm not saying
they give seventeen year old mentis ostron, but a lot

(48:18):
of the herbs too, Like you don't find a capsule
of like ostra, like these, like these combinations are not natural,
Like you're not going to go out and nature and
find pea BPC and hyaluronic acid and a tablet anywhere.
You have to go out there and synthesize all those
things and put them together. You know, if you want
to make an organic tincture, you have to find the alcohol,

(48:39):
you have to put the herbs in there and then
draw out the constituents. Like oshua Ganda has minor SSRI
properties in it. Many guys have taken Oshraganda and feel terrible.
So Cyanide's natural, so we have to use some kind
of middle ground discernment, right, Yeah, uh, we got some questions.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
If you guys have questions, send them in because now
we're already at fifty two minutes.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
As I said, this is.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
A shorter stream because we're leading into a private Q
and A over at the Logos Academy for all those
guys that have much more specific, pointed questions for doctor
Moe regarding their own health. So that's what we're doing.
We're gonna be transitioning over to a Zoom meeting. If
you guys want to join, just go sign up, at
Logos Academy on school. Here is the link right here.

(49:28):
Sign up and you'll get the link that actually brings
you to the Zoom meeting. It's all posted on the
calendar page. So that's gonna be where we're heading here soon.
But I want to while we're here doing the free
live stream, if you guys have questions, send them in
and I'm going to go through some at least that
we have so far. So uh, first one was from

(49:53):
organized Insanity. Does zeolite actually do anything to detox heavy metals?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah? I think is you like clay? The issue with
like a question like that. I hate to be so
nuanced all the time, like yes does it? Yes, it
does a little bit, but its same like chlrella and spiralina.
I don't know how much it actually moves the the needle, Like,
for instance, if you have alcohol poisoning or stuff, there

(50:21):
is evidence that if you drop charcoal in there soaks
it up right and then the z like uh, clay
binds to the stuff and helps you pass through.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
The issue heavy metal toxicity detoxification is a whole other
like monster like because if you're eating a small amount
of mercury every day, you're slowly absorbing that goes in
your blood and then it gets deposited all throughout your
body very slowly. So imagine like you have a lake
and you go out there every day and you throw
like some lead or like mercury, you throw it in

(50:54):
the lake. It's like it slowly gets spread out everywhere.
It's like, all right, if I throw some z like
in the is it gonna like soak it all up
at once? With heavy metal toxicity, I don't do this,
But what you really want to do is get ivs
of binders. So if you have heavy metal toxicity, first off,
in order to get diagnosed, you should do binders. You

(51:15):
go and you do an IV you can use some oral.
I'm skeptical if the oral's work that good. But you
do a challenge test, so you sit down, you get
an ivy of stuff that you suck it into your bloodstream,
and then you can do a blood test or you
do a urine test to see those heavy metals. The
issue is if you're gonna pull out a ton of
mercury all at once, and it's folding in your blood,

(51:35):
in your blood, then some of it's gonna go up
to your brain. Does that make sense? So that's why
detox is a It's one of those guru things. You know.
It's like the the Instagram influencer chick who's in her
yoga pants and she's like, buy my detox tea. It's like, yeah,
that has milk, this on danielon route, which you know

(51:58):
kind of it helps your liver, and your liver helps
detox and you increases. So there are there are truths
to that, but it's just tough having to have these,
you know, you know, giving like short quick answers on
pretty complex topics. As you can tell, it's like rambling
maybe two. The other thing I would love chat about

(52:20):
are the weight loss peptides. I mean you right, semaglue tie, trizipitide,
and redditrue tide. Okay, these are gop one agonists. They work.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
That's the hottest thing in medicine right now is the
gl golp ones.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, redditrue tide is still in clinical trials, it's not out.
So semic glue tide is just what's called the gop
one agonist. So that's released when you're done eating. So
when you eat, you release golp one and you say
I'm full. Your digestion slows down. That was the like
kind of first generator. There was older ones, but that's
the most popular. Then they came out with trizipeitide, which

(52:56):
as this other g ip GIT receptor agonists, which is
another like hunger thing. People have better results with that.
There's more muscle preservation. One of the issues with semic
glue tide is you lose a lot of muscle. And
so when people come to me, I optimize their testosterone first, Like, don't, dude,
I would not jump on semaglue tide. You know, you're

(53:16):
a dude that's like forty five, You're thirty pounds overweight,
and you when jump on semaglue tide, like, get your
testosterone optimized first. Right, That ten to twenty pounds of
muscle you're gonna lose is more valuable than losing that
twenty or three pounds of fat in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Right So, but right.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Now, redded True Tide is like the thing. And that's
because it's not it's like new, it's not through its
clinical trials. It's close. It will probably come out next year.
I think it's Eli Lilly, and someone will correct me. Yeah,
it's great though, I've had plenty of guys take it
mental clarity. It activates what's called the glucagon receptor, which

(53:54):
is the better of the hormone receptors. That is that
gets activated when you're fasting and full. Oh so raise
your blood sugar. Lots of guys tell me like they
have mental clarity, they have energy. Can raise the heart
rate up a little bit though, can make you a
little bit anxious. So that's just ones that people are
like wanting to play with right now, is the gop

(54:15):
ones and specifically redditure tide. I just like cavying it
like it's not through clinical trials yet most people get
it from research purposes only, is what it is, and
be careful buying them for research purpose only. There's a
reason they say that, right, So.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
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(55:16):
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you guys for that. Next one is Journey of Abundance.
Methylene blue has been awesome for me, a great feeling

(55:43):
of natural energy. You mind giving a quick little rundown
on methlen blue. This is something my wife actually has
been asking me to get into. She was already into
methylene blue. She was drinking the liquid.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I did call her smurf.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Mouth because whenever we whenever, I zero all your teeth
and her mouth is all blue. But what are your
thoughts on on methylene blue? You you sound like you
already take it and you highly recommend it for detoxing.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So yeah, yes, that's it exactly. No, Yeah, I love
methylene blue is one of my favorites that I rotate.
Originally was used to treat malaria, so it has anti
microbial stuff. It's also be careful though, it is a
MAO inhibitor. Oh ayahuasca, Yeah right, very low. I've I

(56:33):
only found one paper of someone like having an adverse
effect and it was via ivy, So most people are
gonna be fine with five to ten milligrams of it.
Not medical advice, but yeah, definitely helps with energy, antimicrobial
increases your oxygen uptake. It's actually used in met met hemoglobinemia,
so like when you're have an inability to carry oxygen,

(56:55):
they give it to you in the in the er.
So was originally used for other microbial stuff. So people
use it for post COVID long haul lime disease and
what I like about their formula and I use a
couple but I there's you know, we're chilling for them.
They have il quarantine, which is good for your fatty
acid metabolism. It also has ubiquinol, which is the active

(57:19):
form of co Q ten, so overall antioxidant and myochondrial support,
and so methylene blue by increasing the amount of oxygen
that we can carry just you know, feeds your mitochondria.
So a lot of that's like the thing you'll hear
over and over in the longevity space is keeping your
mitochondria going. It's it's your engine, it's your the powerhouse
of your cell. It's called mityl blue. If you wanted

(57:43):
to check it all right, Sorry, other thing you had
it said earlier. Usually when people talk about the Wolverine blend,
it's usually a combination of BPC one five seven with
another peptide called thymisin beta four or TB four or thymus.
Uh yeah, te I get them. Dislike, there's there's TB

(58:04):
four and then there's TB five hundred. They're basically the
same thing. One's just a little bit smaller. That one's
even better for regeneration.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Though.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Your thimis produces immune molecules or peptides that go in heal,
So when you sprain your ankle, that's an immune response. Right.
Stem cells are immune response right, and this particular blend
they also work synergistically together. Thymus in betas is activating

(58:33):
your immune system to help send cytokine, stem cells and
stuff for regeneration. It is a little bit controversial the
thymus in beta four. This is in frag and has
a thing called snack that helps it get absorbed orally.
People will debate that. Most often, if people go to
a Wolverine blend, they're going to be they're going to
be in uh, they're gonna be injecting it.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Okay, Um, We've got a few that I want to
address here. What do you think monoxidil for beard growth? Yeah,
I got a pe real quick right back.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah. Monoxidil is a vasodilator, so often people beard will
probably help a little bit. Most often people think about
that for thinning of the hair. It's actually a blood
pressure medication though, because it helps with vasodilation, so it
lowers your blood pressure. Hit or miss though, I'll say

(59:26):
I think in the research sixty to seventy percent of
people over twelve to sixteen weeks will notice some form
of benefit from it. Side effects wise, though, because it
can slightly lower your blood pressure, it can kind of
make you a little bit out of it. Not every
person experiences that, So if you have normal blood pressure
and you take that, and again not medical vice. I'm

(59:48):
just you know, talking about the biochemistry and physiology. And
then the other thing. I think with the vasodilation, some
people have noticed they get allergic shiners or bags under
their eye, But as far as things for hair growth,
it's probably one of the more safer ones. You know,
I would definitely say stay away from finasteride. We chatted

(01:00:12):
earlier about blocking estrogen. The other even worse mistake people
do is they block DHD, and there's something called post
fnasteride syndrome that comes from that. You need DHD. DHD
gives you energy, it's just DC is to stop from's
mean or older brother. Estrogen's kind of like the sensitive
younger sister. You need all three of them. They are

(01:00:32):
all great, but when you block DHD. Like you want
to read horror stories, go read about post fnasteride syndrome.
Guys who have been unable to be intimate sexually for
a very long time, no drive no motivation. It actually
gives the physio what do you call it, physiometry or physiognomy. Yeah,
like they're literally go Google Google. You could probably do it.

(01:00:53):
Google phanasteride and guy's jaws literally get smaller. Physiog Yeah, phanasteride.
And then there's just post an asteroid syndrome that guys
literally have brain fag. I had a patient two weeks ago.
He's like, how do they let this stuff be legal?
Like this guy is in a not good spot depression, suicide.

(01:01:16):
I had one guy that was on a block, like
he was my nurse's patient. They put him on that.
He literally jumped out of his window in the hospital,
Like it messes with your brain. Man, you need you
need DHD. And look, people, I think it's ninety percent
take an asteride have no negative side effects. It's about
ten percent. I tried it. I felt terrible for two days.

(01:01:37):
I'm like, I ain't touching this. Of that ten percent,
then like ten percent of those people, so it's like
one percent of an asteroid users end up having long
term issues using it. It works for hair growth though,
because you have depending on your balding style, you have
DHD receptors on your on your head, and so when

(01:02:01):
you block DHD, you know it does help with your
hair growth. Maybe says it sounds like what happened to
me after ssarms. Oh, we haven't talked about SARMs. Yeahs
are terrible. Stay away from SARMs until we understand them.
Stay away, like, just do tier. These guys do that, Like, well,
I'm not gonna do TRT because it's not natural, but
SARMs are better. Dude, you're modulating the receptor for androgens.

(01:02:26):
I do you have me, guy? I have guy guys
come to me lactating Dude, what yes, because it messages
with prolactin and thyroid prolactation hormone. Right, you're moduling the
engine receptor which plays with thyroid and dopamine, and dopamine
plays with prolactin and dude, it's like I had guys
come to me. When I have labs that make absolutely

(01:02:46):
no sense, it's almost always a guy that took like
RAD one forty LGD forty thirty three. There's some promise
in them. I just at this point I know how
HRT works. These are all still experimental. Some of them
have some studies on them, but most and a lot
of guys actually feel great on them, Like you can

(01:03:07):
get like anabolic like benefits from them. Hmm. Like I
had guys like, yeah, dude, I put on twenty pounds
of muscle using you know, rad one forty and LGD
within kamaphine because then they'll use in komafeine the booster testostro.
But I just I've had some pretty tough patients that
have come. But the other issue is you're getting it

(01:03:28):
from research purposes only, so I don't even know if
you're taking rad one for you right, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Uh shout out to our beloved Kristen slow boy whiteboard.
She said, serious question, how are pharmaceuticals not a form
of transhumanism?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
They are?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
It's a good question. I mean that's it's basically a
philosophical question in regards to any sort of potential augmentation.
This is where actually the transhumanists argue that if you
work glasses, you're already transhuman. And I think that there's
a sure, sure, sure, But even then the use of

(01:04:10):
your smartphone, I think it's all a slope moving towards
the agreement. But I do think there has to be
some type of delineation, some type of line, I'm not
sure where it goes. Because when you watch somebody like
Brian Johnson doing everything he can not to die, you know,
and and you hate for anything trad like a freak

(01:04:34):
accident to a cur for somebody who puts that much
effort so that their body doesn't age, and you know,
so God God willing that doesn't occur for him. I
don't wish anybody ill, But with somebody like Brian Johnson,
I mean, he is openly a transhumanist, and yet he
hasn't put the electrodes in his brain, you know, he

(01:04:55):
hasn't become a cyborg fully, but that's where he intends
to go. And so I think it's a it's a
serious theological question too that I think the church needs
to wrestle with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I bring this up in my book, and my argument
is that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
The technologies themselves or the pharmaceuticals can't be evil and
because they don't have a will, and that there needs
to be some delineation. When I was with Father John
Valadez in a recent stream, I asked him, like, what
what is the line? Like, say you're a plumber and
you own a business and digital currency comes out and
that's the only way that you're able to now run,

(01:05:35):
you know, do commerce are you submitting to the Antichrist?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Where is the line for us Orthodox Christians and the
church is is you know, kind of decades behind this question,
So we need more spiritual fathers to speak out on this.
But you know from somebody like Saint Paiisios or Metropolitan
Iophotos of Morpho, they advocated for us to use that
in the internet and technology to spread orthodoxy. So is

(01:06:02):
my smartphone in my computer leading me closer to the
transhumanist future? Yeah, it is, but we see at least
some ways in which that could be used in a
positive benefit. Pharmaceuticals in the pharmaceutical industry is absolutely moving
us towards transhumanism. I mean they are fully on board
with you know, patenting the ways in which to modulate

(01:06:25):
and augment the human body so that they make money
on it in perpetuity. So, I don't know, I think
this is a question everybody needs to ask themselves. I mean,
am I am I moving towards transhumanism by taking peptides
To the point that doctor Mo's making this isn't natural,
This isn't totally found in nature. Yes, BPC one five
seven is a peptid that's already in my gut, and

(01:06:48):
this is stimulating more peptides to be released in my system.
But I don't know, it's it's a good question. Everybody
needs to really ask themselves where is the line that
you won't cross? And I think that maybe is the
spiritual threshold, is the line that we set for ourselves,
But there definitely is going to be an objective line

(01:07:09):
at some point. I mean, that's what the mark of
the beast ultimately is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
And I can see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Health and that's what I mean, That's what the World
Health Well Organization WHO was all about is they're trying
to create a centralized structure of authority to move everyone's
health into this transhumanist, one world future. So I don't
know what are your thoughts on it, doctor Mo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I mean, we get sioped in so many different ways
that the crazy thing for me being in the industry
is there's literally nothing fought more like give me one
therapy in medicine that is not fought more than TRT
and men they'll give it. They'll give it to transgenders.
The young guy comes in and his test is three
hundred and He's like, Doc, I'm tired. I'm depressed. Oh,

(01:08:02):
don't do tier T. Let's give you an antidepressant. Hey, doc,
I'm on antidepressant now I'm tired all the time. Oh okay,
here take some adderall okay, hey doc, I can't sleep now, okay,
here take abenzo. Right. Do you know how many guys
have come to me that are on like five or
six psych psychiatric medications and we put them on to
your tee. And I don't mean to be a lesser

(01:08:24):
of evils, but if you want to look at an
industry that's being attacked, it's like, I don't know how
much longer we'll have HRT.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
They're already men, right, that that's the caveat there for
four actual grown men to get testosterone who need it.
The government's doing everything in its power to prevent that
from happening. But if you're a thirteen year old girl
or eleven year old girl that wants it, they will
pay for it. They will make sure you get your hormone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
You'll pay for it your tax out exactly. Yeah. You
know what's funny is like, so the reference range that
they use in transgender therapy, so right now, the reference
training in men. If you are a fifty year old
male and you feel bad and you go in, the
total testosterone, depending on the lab, is almost always two
fifty on the bottom of eight hundred on the top. Okay,

(01:09:11):
used to be twelve hundred to three fifty, so they
lowered it from three to fifty on the bottom of
the two fifth. The windows strong and so if you
go in there and you're a guy. This happened to
my friend of mine in his loy thirties. He goes
in and he gets his blood tested and his test
is two forty. For insurance to cover it, you have
to have it measured twice under two fifty before eight am.

(01:09:34):
He goes back. I think it was that week or
a week later. He measures his testosterone and it's two
fifty five. Oh, can't be your testosterone. Dude is thirty
three years old, full time dad, two girls who are autistic.
You know what I mean, just like tough, lot of stress. Yeah,
And I go to the TRT clinic. They put him on.

(01:09:57):
A year later, guy's like fifteen pounds of muscle. He's like,
my wife notices the difference. I'm playing with my girls again.
I'm excelling at work. It's like that is the tough
part about the transhuman thing. I will argue that from
a place of temptation, from a place of being sick,
in a place of depression, I feel obligated to help
guys get their testosterone higher, just like you're obligated to

(01:10:19):
get them working out, to get them having more energy,
sleeping better, because sin will be more, you will be
attacked more by your passions, like more guys that have
I don't know if I can make a blank statement,
but there are plenty of guys who have crashed testosterone
levels because they're watching so much porn. That's one thing.

(01:10:39):
They watch so much porn. They masturbate, so they have
no omph or driver motivation to go in and actually
pursue a woman, right and do something in the world,
build something in the world. I mean all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Types of drive, not just your sexual drive. That's a
huge one. But and you're seeing this, like even I've
noticed it with some of the the younger guys that
I've met, even you know in the church, that have
very little drive to actually find a woman, although they thought, okay,
that'd be nice, but they take zero steps in preparation

(01:11:15):
to like build a life for themselves so that they
could take care of a wife and children. And I
think it probably is to do the testosterone problem.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
And that's what I would argue is that thirty years ago,
forty years ago, fifty years ago, his testosterone was six
fifty seven hundred. This guy, now, I guarantee is Tesostone's
three hundred four hundred. And yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You can go to him and say, hey, go buy
three hundred dollars worth of supplements, get a nice gym, pass,
wake up at seven am, star drinking clean water, go

(01:11:45):
look at the sun in the morning. And you get
on my end where I'm like, bro, we can put
you on t your t You're gonna feel good in
a couple of weeks, like you'll feel good next week.
You're gonna want to go to the gym, like you're
actually going to have umph. And I know that's the
part that, in my opinion, is the most controversial. I
had friends in school and I treated guys naturally for
three years. It just I hate to be that guy

(01:12:07):
where I'm kind of siding with the pharmaceutic like it worked,
Like you want to got you. It's kind of like
you're tired adderall works? Sorry, folks, now, is that my
go to?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I don't prescribe it at all, but I get on
the far end where people need help. And if I
know there's a ten percent success rate. When this forty
five year old guy sits across from me, I go
all right, all right, Rob, here's your three hundred dollars
worth the supplements. I want you to wake up at
five thirty and go to the gym every week. I
need you to start eating ketogenic diet and then after work, like, hey,

(01:12:39):
make sure you play with your girls to build you know,
be a good father, and then make sure you can
perform for your wife. And he's like, Doc, I can't
even ain't working right with my wife, Like, so what
am I supposed to do? Be like, well, maybe in
three months, or I could be like, hey, if we
get you on TRT or maybe some tadalafhill, that that's
just one less area that's not at him right. And

(01:13:02):
again I get it. Paul like talks about hey, you
have your thorn, and the saints willingly go into those environments.
I think for a lot of us who live in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Man, it's like, am I just supposed to sit around
with a headache? Or can I take some tile and all?
I mean, we're all autistic already, so what's the big deal? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Pretty much. Another question is are there any known peptides
for reversing cancers.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Well, so cancer happens naturally, unfortunately, we all have cancer cells.
Cancer cells. Basically what happens is they have an internal
All cells have an interro mechanism. They have apoptosis where
they just shut off from multiplying, right, That's what Warts
have a wrong way of apoptosis, So they just keep growing.
They get larger and larger and large. Thymus in alpha

(01:13:50):
one it comes from your Thimis is an immunomodulating peptide,
and that one, and there's multiple others. I'd say, if
there's one that has some promise in treating and helping
with cancer, I'd say thymus an awful one, would be
the go to. But you also get someone who has cancer,

(01:14:10):
their gut's going to be wrecked, so BPC is probably
gonna help. BPC's controversial in cancer because it increases blood flow,
so it depends on the cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Now, that was another question I thought I saw, but
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Is the thought was when we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Were talking about BPC that it may exacerbate a cancer
or a tumor if you already have one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, we don't know, and it would, yeah, a tumor,
you know it kind of there's different cancers. There's blood cancers,
there's prostate cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, like all those
are react differently to different environments, you know, like breast cancer,
if it's her tooth positive, is gonna react to estrogen.
Your leukemia is not really going to react to estrogen. Right,

(01:14:52):
So it's not that's the hard part with a lot
of the things. Not like we can make blank statements
and say BPC cancer, what we know about test ostroon
to hire guys with hieri ostro and have a decreased
chance for aggressive prostay cancer and they have a decreased
chance for colorectal cancer. Those are two are like, yeah,
pretty well documented well, and you're it's the chicken out

(01:15:13):
of the egg thing too, because it's like guys who
have naturally high testosterone, they're gonna be taking care of themselves,
are probably gonna be eating better, so less inflamed, right, right,
So you can make the argument that it's like it's
correlation not causation. But I'm like, why wouldn't I get
as many correlations as possible, right, you know, because I
don't think we have we really really know. So all right,

(01:15:36):
well let's wrap up here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
We're gonna answer a few more questions and then we uh,
doctor MO and I are heading over to a private
Q and a zoom meeting for everybody that's in the
Logos Academy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
So if you'd want to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Follow us over there, make sure you do so by
signing up the link. I'll go ahead and post it
again on the feed. Well, post the link to the
Logos Academy here in the chat. But if you join
the Logos Academy, we have like basically a Facebook like
feed as you can see here, and I'll I'll make
another post for people that join up just for easy access.

(01:16:08):
But you just go over to this calendar section you
can see right here, livestream on peptides and then our
private doctor bo private Q and a right here, and
you just click that link right there. It'll take you
to the Zoom meeting. But to wrap up real quick,
somebody said, what is the best oral supplement to optimize

(01:16:31):
your testosterone, and I want to tie that with another
one best way to up test naturally. Can you tie
those two together?

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Sci scientifically speaking, Ashwa Ganda has the most KSM six
six has the best research on it for a higher
like upping testosterone. As far as total testosterone, right, you
can use like tonkat Ali, which brings your sex from

(01:17:02):
home binding globulin down because tustosrone is carried by this right,
so if you get less of that, you have more
free testosterone. Because testosterone we didn't really get into. This
is not a peptide. It's a it's a steroid hormone.
It's fat, so it can actually slide through your cells
and it goes into your nucleus to do things where
peptide hormones can do either. Sometimes they sit on the
outside of the cells, sometimes they go in most of

(01:17:23):
the time on the outside. So if I had to
pick one, Osho Gonda has the most research and I've
seen it bump guys up two hundred three hundred points.
The issue is that with Ostra Gonda I very often
and please comment, I guarantee it. There's a guy here
that's took an Oshogonda is like, yeah, I felt terrible,
Like my testosterone went up, but I felt like aniedonia

(01:17:47):
is usually the term like they don't feel motivated, they
have no energy. But from a scientific perspective, if I
could pick like two, when someone even like, yeah, ton
cat Ostro Gonda are probably the best to get your
free testosterone up if you could handle it. I guess
the other thing I would put in there is EL quarantine.

(01:18:08):
L quarantine helps increase your androgen receptor of sensitivity, so
it makes your testostere more potent. Similar that really to
the point of a sarm. But then L quarantine also
helps your monochondria. That's another supplement that I that I
really like. And then then you greeks on there Adosia
progress this and like, you know, there's a couple other
out there. Houberman talked about it, several of those for
a long time. And then natural test is things every

(01:18:33):
guy here knows gets get your eight hours of sleep,
don't eat a ton of sugar, mental health exercise, you know,
the things that will crush your two. Like there's a
study showing like drinking sixty grams of sugar crushes your
testosterone by like thirty percent in the next hour really
because you you you release a ton of insulin, brings

(01:18:56):
your sugar down, you bottom, you crash, and then your
body releases cortisol to bring your up and then cortis
all shut your test off. So and that's why exercise
will usually actually turn your test down just briefly. In
the time that you're exercising, you your cortisol goes up,
which is good. You need that. Corsol is not evil,
it psych estrogen. You need it in a in a

(01:19:17):
good place. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
So Keenan asks, will the video be replayable if I
sign up for the website? Yes, it will be Keenan,
So all of our private q and as are recorded
so members who missed the meeting can actually rewatch it later.
So yeah, that is included most of our think tanks,
except for the free flowing conversations. Those goes in those

(01:19:40):
conversations going to wild places. Uh so we do not
record those, But any topic themed think tank we do,
Like we did one on Christian apologetics, we did one
on the Gospel of John, we did one on women,
Chopenhauer and Orthodox theology. Those are all recorded. And then
the Q and A with Father Gabriel is recorded, and
then the one will be doing here in just a

(01:20:01):
few moments with doctor Moe are also recorded, so anybody
who signs up you can always watch the replays. They're
in the classroom section. There's a playlist for them. All right,
last question here, and before we ask it, I want
to just catch up on a couple generous super chats
over on Dono Chat. Timothy throws in forty dollars and says,
thank you doctors. My friend has an undiagnosed GI condition.

(01:20:23):
Specialist appointments take forever in Lack Canada. Hopefully this peptide
information can help.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Yeah, not medical advice, but you'd be surprised. It's like,
what's it going to hurt to throw one hundred and
fifty dollars peptide at it? I, you know, and I
really like their they have the ultimate GI repair. We
didn't get into other gut health Glutamine's really good and
then zinc carnisine is actually really good for the gut.
Glutamine people use for weightlifting, So that's another one, Like
any guy can take an extra five or ten grams

(01:20:53):
of glutamine. Creatine writes good for your mitochondria. Those are
some low hanging fruits, say Creatine.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Pre rank really and then the next one was Nathaniel,
God bless you brother, God bless you. Timothy. Also, thank
you very much for that generous super chat. And Nathaniel
throws in thirty three dollars and says, it is fantastic
to get this information from an Orthodox Christian, very informative.
I know who I'll be calling if I am in need.
Thank you both, well, thank you Nathaniel. Yes, anybody if

(01:21:22):
you especially the men, I mean doctor Moshe men's health specialists.
So any men out there that are watching this, maybe
you're not here in the live stream, you're watching this
maybe a week later, and you want to talk with
doctor Moe, go to his What is your website? How
do people get a hold Just doctorMichael Muller dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yep, doctor Michael Uller from doctor I want to do
a Derek Derek intimidation out, you know, hey, doctor Michael
Muller from doctor Mark Mure dot com to everyone talk
about superfesiological levels of BPC one five seven. That's it, though,
doctor Michael Muller dot com. Excellent, Okay, ask question here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I'm sorry, guys, we got to cut it off for
the UH, for the free side. It says, any thoughts
d p H, any thoughts on sprints boosting hg H.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
What's your perspective of Yes, you, dude, I don't know.
You're the doctor, you're the medical doctors, a PhD. You're
you're a natural pathic doctor. You actually deal with medicine.
So I think the dph was just to get my attention.
The question following is for you, my man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I'd say from a from a scientific perspective, there
is less scientific evidence it would it would make sense
to me that it would increase your growth hormone. Your
growth hormone does go up when you're fasted, goes up
first hour sleep when you're fasted, and post workout, so
you'll definitely get an age I would. I would assume

(01:22:54):
you definitely get an HGH boost pretty post workout. There
are goods showing hit training for TRT or for increasing testosterone. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
I've seen that regarding you know, sprinting and UH maintaining
like muscle density and actual like a lot of bodybuilding
type fitness guys are getting into sprinting for the health benefits.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Mm hmm yep, I try and run sprint. I did.
I just I'm a cardio kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I'd really try and like I hate cardio. I always
say I'm like a dog. Somebody's gotta throw a ball
out for me to start running football, basketball, baseball, soccer ball.
Then all of a sudden, I'll start running around, but
it's hard for me to motivate myself to run.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I was chasing the balls, aren't you guiltiest charged?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I thought this was pretty funny, Jacob, said doctor Mike
from more PEPs more reps.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
There we go, Doctor Michael Muller from doctor Michael Moore
dot com. Do they're gonna be talking about more PEPs
more reps? All right? Last one here? Guy?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Are many nine throws in?

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Five? Says any advice on some.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Morelen or something that activates your own growth hormones, and
any reputable sources.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Reputable sources. Yeah, most people pronounce it somemorolen so morell
and usually somemorlon so some moralon. You have two receptors
on your brain, grellin, which makes you think like your
stomach is growling, which is your hunger goes up, and
that releases growth hormone, and then you have one called
the growth hormone releasing hormone. Somorlan hits the growth hormone

(01:24:33):
releasing hormone receptor. It was the most popular for a
long time. It wasn't on the list. It's technically, I believe,
a large molecule. It's not a peptide. So when the
FDA came out and said it named ampa morele in,
it didn't name Tessamerellen. So most compounding pharmacies you can

(01:24:54):
still get some moorlin from like you can get that
from a pharmacist. That's the way I would go. I'm
a doctor. I'm not going to tell you to go
get a research purposes only peptide. The thing with somemorlin, though,
is there is a little bit of side effects with prolactin,
thyroid and cortisol. Somorlan's kind of the first generation, and
then second generation. You have one called CJC twelve ninety

(01:25:17):
five and another one called Tessamarellen. Tesamarellen actually comes from
an FDA approved drug called e Grifta, and it will
boost your IGF one fifty to seventy five percent. It's
up there with actual exogenous growth hormone. The issue is
if you get that from a pharmacist, like you're looking
at like a thousand dollars a month. At that point,

(01:25:39):
it's like you might as well be on actual growth hormone.
But there's an argument to be made that the growth
rmone peptides help you release it more naturally. Now, in
my clinical practice, first thing I do when guys come in.
I don't like throwing guys on ten things. I'm literally like, bro,
let's just get your test ostrom figured out first. I
rule out the thyroid, prolactinise other stuff. Three to six

(01:26:00):
months in we usually work on that, optimizing growth hormone
with growth hormone peptides. So it's moreland works. It's good
for the price point. There's some side effects like most
people are moving to Tesla morell and if I had to,
if I had to say, okay, And final one that
just got sent in comes from Anonymous since in a

(01:26:22):
generous thirty three dollars over on the stream labs. Thank
you so much, Anonymous.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
He says, what about beef organ supplements, heart and soil
by Paul Saladino has a beef testicle supplement. Could that
be beef or hormonal health and testosterone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Yeah, So the way you you want to think about
you're trying to put on muscle, what do you eat?
You eat muscle? Right, So, like if you want to
build chest, you eat breasts. And it's not like a
chicken breast. It's not chicken breast have the amino acids

(01:27:00):
in them to build breast tissue, you know, especially muscle,
not like boobs, you know what I'm saying. But the
same thing you eat chicken thighs, you eat a ribi. Right,
You're eating the muscle because it has the amino acids
that you need to build muscle. That makes sense, yes, right,
like glutamine your branch chain, like we have to we

(01:27:21):
eat mostly when we're eating animal meat. They're higher in
the essentials, you know, like a like a plant. Proteins
often have poorer amino acid profiles, Like they don't have
the amino acids that we want to build muscle. They
have amino acids, but there might be like for instance,
people do collagen protein Those help build collagen your skin,
your tendons and ligaments. Right, you want to build muscle,

(01:27:43):
I'd say you're better off with like a usually like
a way protein because it has higher branch chain amino
acids in them. So the similar idea then can be
with eating organ meats. Like there's like, if you're eating heart,
you're gonna be eating things that help build heart tissue.
I think they go as far and I don't. I
haven't looked at this stuff in a while, but like
coq ten is an anoxidant for your heart, there's some

(01:28:06):
of that in heart tissue, depending on if it's cooked
and how much. Same thing with your liver. Your liver
stores B vitamins, So when you're eating liver, you're getting
BE vitamins more so than would be in like a
chicken thigh. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
So yeah, if I'm like, hey, I want to get
my bee vitamins up, I'd say, well, first off, you
have to usually some form of animal meat, Like you're
not going to get B twelve from lettuce, so chicken thighs.
But then even better would be liver. Right, but you
can eat five times as much liver, like you could
eat five times as much chicken thighs to get the

(01:28:45):
same amount and liver. I'm not an organ meat guy.
I'm just I'm too much of a woos man. I
don't I try to eat liver. Man, It's just I mean,
I'm I'm no primal. So do you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Uh so? So are you a fan of some of
the beef organ supplements. That's something my wife's been trying
to get me into is taking the beef.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
She bought one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
But it's like you take six pills a day. I
was blown away by how many pills you had to take.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
I was like, yeah, that sounds like a meal. And
for the price point, those are like what sixty seventy
dollars a bottle? Yeah, you get like twenty thirty servings.
I'd say if you were really and look, everyone spends
their money differently at the same point, Like go and
buy some beef liver, you know what I mean. It's
just the capsules are easier, you know, so for eating

(01:29:34):
organ meats or whatnot. Because things have to be doable,
you know what I mean. Kind of like I told you,
I can tell you to go work out every day,
but you're not gonna go do it. Like that's ninety
percent of medicine is not like having the right formula,
it's doing it. So if the if the capsules help
you eat more organ meats. I think organ meats are positive.
I don't know, like you know, for the price point

(01:29:57):
or whatever, but I spent. Hey, guys, we are past
our time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
We have to cut it short over here on YouTube,
so if you want to join the private Q and
A over at the Logos Academy, use this link right here.
Doctor Mo and I are heading We're gonna end this
and we're gonna head over to the Zoom meeting where
some of the members are already probably waiting, So if
you want to join, we'll see you over there. If not,

(01:30:23):
thank you so much for everybody who's supported today. Thank
you guys for being here, and I will see you
guys Sunday. Actually, I'm doing a stream with FDA. We'll
be doing a stream on the state of modern philosophy.
So it's going to be a sort of all encompassing
philosophical stream, very academic oriented. That's going to be Sunday,

(01:30:45):
and then I'll be doing a sponsored stream on the
theology of no Self, the Anapman of Buddhism and some
contemporary people Monday, and then I'll actually be with Anthony
of Westgate Tuesday over on his stuff to record an episode,
so I was see you guys Sunday and Monday. Thank
you all for being here and God bless you all.

(01:31:06):
As always until next time, God bless

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