Exposing the Fitness Industry with Dr. Michael Moeller

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Me the hell. All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This is doctor David Patrick Carey and I am joined

(00:22):
today by my friend, my colleague, my godson, doctor Michael Muller.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
How are you, sir, Hey, from one doctor to another,
it's flexed on it, man. I think this is the
first stream since you got the dr in front of
your name. I appreciate it, man, it's an official congratulations, man,
lots of hard work. I know it's just a couple
of letters, but means a lot, and I know you're
doing good with it, so happy to be back as always.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, thanks man, I appreciate that. And yeah, this is
the first time we've streamed since then. It is kind
of you know, once you go through the system as
you would know it, and it's going to be tied
into what we're talking about today with all these people
with p hds and various letters after their name and
the fitness industry. It you know, it really doesn't mean
a whole lot, but it is a sort of symbol

(01:09):
of victory and accomplishment for a long journey. So thank you, brother,
I appreciate that. But you just got back from a trip,
didn't you just do a little bit of a pilgrimage,
Orthodox pilgrimage back to the Holy Land. Yeah, well our
Holy Yeah, Greece, Mount alf that right.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
That counts. That's Rome. Right. We got into that a lot.
Had We had some well I got to figure out
what to call them Romans, right, we had some Macedonians,
people who thought they were Macedonians, who the Romans thought
weren't Macedonians. Some Kosovonian Serbians. Yeah, so start off Montenegro, Serbia, Scopah,

(01:49):
depending on who you talk to. Right, that's the whole
kind of drama with Macedonia, you know, and Greece and
then yeah, I was went to the Holy Mountain, so
I can mispronounce his name one one more times, Harts honest.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well yeah, well you you I just yeah, I call
him Charlesannas. I'm I just give it my terrible English framing.
I don't think you pronounced the sea in Greece, but
he told me it's fine. So everybody in the Logos
Academy we call him Charzanas.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah. Yeah, he was with me, and he was an
excellent uh you know, I would go as far as
tour guide because he's just so knowledgeable everywhere he went.
It was awesome to have a Greek speaker. Guy's a
wealth of knowledge. Was super hospitable in every way, shape
and form. Ran into some other American Orthodox people on
the Holy Mountain, so that was really cool. Did a

(02:40):
lot of the things you did in Thessalniki, Rightonica, Yeah,
it'll St. Demetrios Palamas. Yeah. Today on old calendar Lupus
uh feast Day, which was a disciple of of St. Demetrius. Uh.
He was one of the ones that was martyred. I
think I think he got Saint Demetrius's ringing cloak and

(03:03):
did a bunch of miracles and whatnot. So you know,
Saint Lucas, right, pray to God for us.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well today, Uh, we're gonna have quite a fun stream.
We got a bunch of content lined up. We're gonna
be diving into as as the title says, at least
on my side of YouTube. Uh. Doctor Moe' is also
streaming on his channel exposing the fitness industry and what
we plan on getting into today and why I thought
Doctor moe is the perfect person to join me is

(03:35):
we're gonna be looking at the kind of notable frauds,
you know, liver King for anybody who wasn't familiar with
the fallout with his steroid use, we're gonna be diving
into the question is Michael Hernatty or not. We're gonna
be then really addressing really one of the biggest influencers
in the fitness industry, Mike Isratel, and he has a

(03:58):
PhD and neutrient.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I thought it was exercise science.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Exercise science. Yeah, so the number one exercise scientist on YouTube.
And he has some interesting beliefs. So even though he's
ethnically Jewish, he's not a practicing Jewey identifies as an
atheist or agnostic. He uses all these scientific back studies,
you know. He's kind of in the same campus we'll

(04:24):
be talking about with Jeff nipperd doctor Lane Norton. We'll
be talking about Andrew Huberman as well, although I think
I got some nice things to say about Huberman in
comparison to some of the other people. But Isratel in particular,
this considered the number one exercise scientist on YouTube. He

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is pro porn, believes that low IQ people believe in God,
cries when he communicates with chat GPT and can't wait
until chat GPT has a robot body so that he
can worship a bit. So we got a lot of stuff.
And then we're gonna even be looking at people like
Ashton Hall. If you guys remember he had a viral

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trend after a handful of months ago where he'd wake
up and do these routines where he puts his face
into Saratoga water and then acts like he has this
natural physique which is clearly enhanced through steroids to get
people to sign up to his programs and make money.
And that's kind of a running theme. So we're gonna
be critiquing what people prescribe. For example, when we look

(05:32):
at Lane Norton, who's also a PhD, what's his PhD? In?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think his is actually a nutrition nutrition? And then
Kuberman's is neuroscience correct?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
If I can say one thing too, like I got
a lot of risk. You know you got a dr
and free your name. A lot of these guys have
gone through the program. They are very well trained, don't
get me wrong. I just especially think from an orthodox
world perspective when we look at these guys and they
are quote unquote influencers and in particular with you, I said,
these guys don't have any kind of understanding of epistemology,

(06:08):
and so when we look at especially like something like
with the Koof, it's like, okay, how do we make
decisions using science? And how many of these people then
push their agenda? Like I like, Huberman has a lot
of good stuff, but I think it's you know, his
opening is like, you know, the science podcast for science
people in a science based world who want to know
the science, and in particular that one podcast he did,

(06:32):
he's like, hey, let's use science to judge God. It's like,
well wait a minute, man, I think you're kind of
missing the point, right. And then they're using these you know,
science based morality right and then like you said, I
get it. Where okay, well then pornography is at a
good or a bad thing? Well if you're not orthodox, Okay,
I get I Actually there's another guy who I followed

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when I was in school, and they're like, yeah, you know,
if you can't sleep, go ahead and masturbate. You know,
that's a good way to get a dopamine. You'll fall
right asleep. Da da. And I was like, but you
know that was back when we were kind of agnostic.
You know, I was going to that whole new age
thing and I go, okay, well that you know that
makes sense from a scientific standpoint, Get a little dopamine kick,

(07:14):
get my release, and then I go to sleep. But
obviously you know where we're at now, like that doesn't
make a whole lot of sense. So definitely coming in
from this, and you know, I got a lot of
respect for the people that we know. I love Michael
hern bro Like his memes are fire, you know what
I mean, train man, So I'm about it. But you
also kind of need to be truthful. Isn't that the

(07:35):
point of science? What did I name mine? Truth versus science? Yeah,
you can't have science without truth, folks.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
So yeah, and regarding this focus on science, because this
is want to be my critique if somebody like in
for the audience. I mean, most of these guys, you
guys have probably heard or at least seen clips of
them on online. They're big, big names in the fitness industry,
and one in particular, Jeff Nipperd, who I don't have
a personal bee for anything, and his approach is all

(08:04):
science based, right, so these peer reviewed studies. He's kind
of a self admitted manlet. He's a very short yeah,
I think he's like five six, five seven somewhere around there.
But he's won some bodybuilding contest and now he has
a thriving, huge YouTube channel. But his science based focus

(08:27):
in regards to fitness topics also leads him to be
somebody who's pro covid vats very interesting along with Lane Norton,
who's also this PhD of nutrition. They're also a parallel
between both of them as they don't like the reforms
that RFK Junior is implementing an HHS, which is very
strained for somebody who's a science based one fitness educator,

(08:53):
I guess you will say on YouTube, the other one
a PhD and nutrition. And because they're so obsessed with
what the science says, as you find that they're kind
of on the opposite end of really kind of folk wisdom.
I mean, you didn't have to have a PhD in
twenty twenty be like, ah, there's something up with that
jab and yet the common man or even generally speaking,

(09:14):
and I'm going to make the argument Christianity obviously orthodoxy,
but in regards to the numbers of people that got jabbed,
it was Christians and plural that were the largest group
of people. Obviously that incorporates Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, but there's
something about Christ. There's something about following again whatever traditions

(09:36):
left in Protestantism, but following this sort of traditional faith
that is a sort of immune to some of these overly. Oh,
this is what the science says, because we know these
institutions are corrupted. And that's one of the things that
I think people who go through the system like we
did and get these letters behind our name, is that
they then always want to appeal back to the institutions

(09:58):
in the system to validate who they are. Well, I'm
saying this, I have a PhD. And and this is
what this peer of you'd study. It is like okay,
but it's all you know, the whole institution is problematic.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Mm hmm, yeah, what's the you know, listen to the doctors.
Oh not those doctors. Listen to doctors that that we liked,
you know what I mean, because there were doctors on
both sides. I really forget the first two er docs.
Do you remember that they came out within the first
week or two of COVID, and they're like, guys, this
is bad news. We're seeing all this da da da
da da. And they were like instantly hushed, and it's like, okay,
let's all listen to uh, you know, mister Fauci or whatever.

(10:33):
And then unfortunately, and this is where we have the epistemology,
We have the background of orthodoxy to frame what we
want is truth, because unfortunately all these people you go
through the system, you're told how to think, and then
you match the data.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's the major problem with science is you can only
collect so much data right at the end of the day,
and if you want to, I can have a study that, hey,
if you eat a can of beans every day, let
me prove that you live longer. Okay, well, what if
you have terrible gas and then no one wants to
be around you. What's the point of living longer? Ultimately,
And that's one of the major issues in my opinion

(11:12):
with the science. Like I trust me, I taken as
much of a science based approach in general in my practice,
you know, one of the parts of being in nasch
Abath the doctor though, I do think that I like
being on the fringe of things because who else is
going to do it? Right? My expertise is in physiology
and biochemistry. So if there's a peptide that's come out
and there's not a lot of research on it, what's
the risk first reward? And you know, ultimately, like we

(11:35):
can take statins, you know, debating on what research that
you want to read. In my opinion and in my
experience of reading the research, there is some evidence that
statins do lower cardiovascular outcomes. Right, So if you're forty,
you know, fifty years old, and you have high LDL

(11:56):
total cholesterol, yeah, there is some evidence that shows you
have let's say, five percent decreased chance for heart disease
by the you know, are you a heart attack? But
there's also no decreased chance and overall death. So what
does that mean. It's like you're probably dying somewhere else. Okay,
so you're not gonna have a heart attack, But does
that increase your chance for Alzheimer's, dementia, bones breaks and

(12:18):
all these other things. So it's so hard for us
to take one piece of data and then extrapolate and
say this is better, right, dude, And honestly, at the
end of the day, you just kind of have to
use common sense. You have to use biochemistry and physiology
and kind of estimate the outcome.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
And that's where I think the fitness industry today is
kind of like the martial arts community back in the
time of Bruce Lee, where everybody has their own school
and thinks that their own camp or their own methods
are are the best. And that's what Gain calls into question.
People like all these PhDs and academics that are these
influencers that read a study and then they give you

(12:51):
a general claim of truth or fact about physiognomy, biochemistry,
health and general nutrition, and it's like, well, how do
you interpret that? You know, what are the factors? What
are other factors that could lead to you know, similar outcomes?
And our bodies are so varied. I mean, people are

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predisposed to certain things and based on your genetics. You know,
it's really difficult to make massive general claims about any
one thing regarding health. That's what makes the you know,
health such an intricate, important but constantly evolving field.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
M Yeah, and again, ultimately there's so much data out
there you can't collect at all, and then you can
have correlations versus causations. That's the main issue, especially with
epidemiological studies when you're just observing things, right, like the
Big Study. For a long time, vegans loved the book
The Blue Zone where they went around the world and
like looking at where do people live the longest? And
in a lot of those places people had more of

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a plant based diet. Now, with that being said, people
in those areas had good senses of community, they didn't
work as long, often had more sunshine. So, okay, is
it that? Or you know, for instance, nicotine smoking is
another really good one. Guys who guys who smoke often
and use nicotine have higher testostron now right, boys, that's coming.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
From doctor Moe straight bro. But and if anybody wants
to get a discount on the best nicotine pouches on
the market, alp use this affiliate link right here. So hey,
that's right out of the horse's mouth. That wasn't me.
That wasn't me promoting it. Guys, that's right from the
naturopathic doctor.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
What's the uh you know, real men smoke Marlboroughs or
they they do alps. Ten out of ten doctors recommend
you know, yeah, so, but it's hard is it? Correlation?
Are cause?

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Guys? I would say it's probably both. Guys who you
know have higher testosterone are more likely to engage in activities. No, bro,
no mentals, Ni's a crusher man, don't know. I'm just kidding.
I may have may not andrews your ring, yeah, ringing.
Oh yeah, I'm already caught pants And it is what

(15:09):
it is. But you know, guys with higher testosterone take
more risk, so therefore they're more likely. But I think
it's a positive feedback loop. And yeah, and this is
the other thing, right, so justin asks about cancer risk. Yeah,
my opinion, as a doctor, your job should be to
take all the data, talk to the person for an hour,

(15:30):
two hours, figure out what if they're predisposed to what
their lifestyle is yesterday? Right?

Speaker 5 (15:37):
I did?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I have this thirty six year old lawyer out of
Los Angeles, three kids, they're trying for their fourth. His
testosterone is two hundred and sixty And for you guys
who don't know, that's not great, right, not great at all?
So okay, what do I do at a guy at
thirty six, he's a lawyer, he's working twelve fourteen hour days,
he's got three kids at home. Hey, bro, you got

(15:58):
to you gotta wake you know, and this is the
other thing we can unk on some of the influencers
for like I spend three hours, you know, I wake
up and I splash my face with water, I suend
my butthole, I ice my balls, and then I have
three hours of red light and then I going It's like, bro,
I don't have time to do that.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
That's why sorry, that's why we have supplements. So yeah,
I have to sit down with that guy and figure out.
I was like, can you do this? Can you do that?
Can you take a pill? Right? Maybe you need to
stops from replacement therapy for a little bit. Maybe you
need to take in comafee ACG. Maybe ostragondo will work right,
And so like with cancer, I just go down, lookay,
do you have family members who've used nicotine and they

(16:34):
have mouth cancer? Does it improve your quality of life?
You know? How many people like you know, my god
son just got off like the deadliest catch. So they're
they're puffing heaters every you know, twenty or thirty minutes,
but he's working fourteen hour shifts like catching fish and
slicing them up. So how else are you going to
get through that? You know? Have your what's the joke.

(16:55):
You know, imagine what Alexander the Great could could have
accomplished with white monsters or alps.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So yeah, it's risk first reward and that's what I
try and really do. I try and with every person
because the same thing with exercise lifting. It's like everyone
kind of has their thing. There we go justin like
his tea is, he's team axing right now.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
His team acts in big time. It's going on. I
will say though, in regards to mouth cancer for nicotine
pouches that there just isn't any evidence for that yet.
Could there be a thing in the future. Yeah, Nicotine
pouches are not you know, haven't been on the market
for a super long time, so it's hard to know
what the long term consequences are. The things that I've

(17:38):
looked into is increased heart rate and potentially a recession
of your gum line depending on how you use them.
Now regarding cancers, the problem with nicotine is the method
of entry, Like how what is the mechanism in which
you're getting your nicotine and so when you yeah, when

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you do smoke or use chewing tobacco, you know, there's
a lot of other carcinogens in there, at least what
we're told and what we understand with these nicotine pouches
that using these nicotine salts that you sort of bypass
some of the carcinogens of these other delivery mechanisms. So yeah, yet,
but as you said, you know, it's the high t

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thing to do really well.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And so we have right, nicotine works on. We have
parasympathetic they're called nicotinic receptors.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Ultimately, Chris, now my fitness regimen is cigarettes and whiskey
and wild wild women.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
We have another he's a typical rath child, typical roth child.
Oh man. So the other thing that I will say
to be more mindful of is, I mean you see
this in a lot of the European countries smoking cigarettes
after food because we have nicotinic receptors which helps with

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our parasympath nervous system right, rest and digest. And I
think one thing that we should be mindful of if
you have colitis, chrones, any type of GI stuff. A
lot of the times if you're doing an alps or
any type of things with nicotine, it can increase mucous secretion.
That's one thing I'm I would keep in mind. And

(19:19):
this is why with me, I always try and use
the least amount. Like I will say, sorry, Pat, you know,
if you're on your tenths in for the day, probably
you're probably.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
At yeah, the beneficial reward. Yeah, yeah, and this is
a breshold for everything.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well and yeah, And what I try and do with
a lot of like nootropics or mood boosters or energy
boosters is just rotate them. Like I'll do a methylene blue,
I'll chew beach nut, like the the nicotine leaves, I
do another thing called thinnle raise it tam and then
maybe another day I do a little bit extra caffeine.
So I'm kind of usually rotating the stimulants, if that

(19:53):
makes sense. So you kind of remain you keep your
sensitivity to each of them.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
So yeah, pretty much ca coffee and nicotine. I need
to get a better rotation in the place here.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, up and down. Paris Ante is another one, right,
I think we chatted about that before our stream caffeine
turns into parizanthine. Parisanthein's in my tablite. It doesn't raise
the heart rate as much and it doesn't affect blood
pressure as much. I think that's one watch out for.
I think over the next couple of years more people
will be using that and like pre workout supplements, energy

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drinks and whatnot. So a little cue for the day.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well, I want to talk to you about peptides here,
but I think maybe the best way is to kind
of introduce, uh, watch a little bit of liver King
real quick. If him lying about seroid and then and
then him admitting to his steroid used. For those of
you who don't know liver King, this gentleman right here
that went famous probably about two years ago, had like

(20:52):
this primal supplement line where it's like beeforgans and all
types of what he calls the like the primal methods
for her primal ancestral methods. Well, everybody assumed that the
dude was on steroids, and he kept denying it for years,
and his company like absolutely blew up. He was making

(21:13):
millions and millions of dollars through these supplements and convincing
people that he attained his physique through like eating raw meat,
you know, like bull testicles, stuff like this, and he
would take videos of himself doing it which would go viral. Well,
then no more plates, more dates Derek from that YouTube
channel discovered a guy sent him and apparently he had

(21:36):
emails with Liver King from years and years ago talking
about and getting on gear and what type of things
he should be using at what dosage is, And turns
out the dude was on a ten thousand dollars regimen
of steroids and peds per month, So per month, he
was spending about ten thousand dollars just on steroids and

(21:58):
supplements to make himself look that way. And once that
got exposed, basically he's he's lost most of what he built.
But again, he was so wealthy unless he was overstretched.
It's not like he's poor or anything now, but nowhere
near the popularity he once had. And now, I mean recently,
he was arrested what was this like two or three

(22:19):
months ago in Austin, Texas because he was good, he
was threatening. He wants to fight Joe Rogan and he
thinks that to earn his pride, in his esteem back
within society, he wants to submit and defeat Joe Rogan
and hand to hand combat. And I guess it stems
because Jim Joe Rogan never had him on, because Joe

(22:41):
Rogan always thought that he was on steroids and lying
about his supplements, and so there's like this this big
beef about that.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, and he's a perfect example of unfortunately in the
fitness industry, like most influencers, they kind of catch one
thing and it gets people's attention and it works, and
then they just you know what I mean, going go
And that's like how much of this is what do
you call it? Not necessarily rage baiting? But you know,
I wonder if he literally, like I saw that videos

(23:09):
like at the park and like, Joe Rogan, you know,
I ha sa to take you down. You know you
you insulted me for the last time.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know, Yeah, this is ironic. He'll probably suffer from
some of your liver damage.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Hey lord, aversy on him. Guys, we gotta pray for him,
gotta pray for him.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
But it's anyways, we'll watch watch a couple of these
clips real quick, and then we'll get into more about
these fitness influencers. And this is really what we're using
for Liver King as representative of fitness influencing. One of
the big problems with the industry itself is that most
of these people are taking performance enhancement drugs, and they

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will pass themselves off as totally natural to elevate both
the capability of their genetics and their supposed work ethic
and their strictness on their diets and stuff like that,
then sell their supplements or whatever companies that are sponsoring them.
And I think for a lot of young people now,
one based of what I've seen, especially on TikTok, is

(24:10):
that gen z is just way more likely to engage
in hard steroid use, like within high school in like
early twenties. Then at least when I grew up, you know,
I was, I played sports, and I was in the
gym in my teens and twenties, it just wasn't as common.
Now you see kid playing like football in high school
and like they're you know, not that it didn't happen

(24:31):
back in the day. It did, but it just wasn't
as common or people just like kids so open about
talking about it on TikTok, you know that they're taking
the ball and stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, and how much of that we we I grew up,
We grew up in that that baseball era, right, Mark Reguire,
Sammy Sosa, Tony Gwynn, Barrymond. So that really and I
still blame that because you know, obviously, yeah, yeah, oh lord,

(25:03):
you know, because I practice tort And it's funny because
you know, to give people a reference point like yeah,
and a lot of them rachel they use ox angelo,
which is even like three to times is ten times
as strong as testosterone for normal testoster replacement, like to

(25:24):
keep a guy non super physiologic, right, if your reference
ranges three fifty to twelve hundred is normal testosterone. A
lot of the guys that I treat, they're doing one
hundred and twenty upwards to two hundred milligrams a week,
and that's spread out, usually over a couple of doses.
I see it all the time on TikTok to, like,
hey bro, if you want to get on tea, you
got to start at five hundred milligrams. Dude, five hundred

(25:45):
milligrams is going to put you at like three or
four thousand, and then they're stacking these other things like
ox andelone is a DHD derivative, so that's like Disostero's
mean or older brother. They actually designed it on teen
these girls who are burned victims. They're like, Okay, how
do we help these girls regenerate without growing an Adam's
apple in a mustache. So they took DHD, they manipulated

(26:08):
it and made it super anabolic. They pulled it. The
drug name was anovar. You can still get compounded ox
angelon in some of it underground. But my point is
it's three, depending on your reference point, ten times as
potent iss tysosterone. So these guys are doing like just
to give people a general idea of Like liver King,
I think he was doing five hundred milligrams to one
thousand a week, where I'm treating people at one hundred

(26:29):
and fifty milligrams, and then he's doing growth hormone on
top of it. Then he's doing pepties on top of it,
and other anabolics, nangelone, master on, all these other things
that are they're not biodentical. That's the other thing that
most naturopathic doctors we use biodentical hormones. Right, So you
take testosterone, sipinate andrew's your body just like testosterone. When

(26:50):
you start playing with other things, I'd say, you know
you're using a bad key. It works to open the door,
but you don't know what is doing to the lock.
For lack of a better term.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
And and just to be clear, you know, I know,
I know guys that are on gear and and take that,
and they're typically very serious about their physical fitness. And
I'm you know, if you're an adult man and maybe
you want to go compete or you want to get
on stage and be a bodybuilder, or you know, if
you are doing competitions that that aren't testing, Okay, that's

(27:23):
your that's your you know, adult decision. Yeah, but the
the young kids getting onto them so early are doing
permanent damage to their integrint system.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, and we don't know long term college and synthesis
growth plates. We don't know how that impacts the brain
is actually probably one of the bigger ones. Like if
you actually go and listen to some I think it's
Ben Pulaski really talks about that. He was on stuff
for a long time. And and like nandralone can turn
your gay. Honestly, there's like, yeah, Nangeluine Deca eight. It
like suppresses increases your progestic progested progest progestin in progestin

(27:59):
progests would be progestogenic, right, progestation hormone. It makes you
like a little more docile. And they've said even about trend.
Trend can make guys homosexual, so because it messes with
your hormones, you know what I mean. And obviously what
do we do with transgender people, right, they're trying to
manipulate their hormones in order to change their libido in

(28:20):
a certain way. So, and I will say, I'm with
you to the point of right, I grew up, I competed.
Most people know I started t ort at thirty. I'm biased.
That's a whole other kind of conversation. I don't recommend
that for everyone, but I was in the natural bodybuilding
world and I you know, played high school football. There
are plenty of people taking stuff then. And the sad

(28:42):
thing is like three thousand people your die of Thailand,
all overdose. You know, whether that's alcohol or whatever. You know,
you can go skydiving. There's all these different ways. Arnold
actually said that in Pumping Iron. They're like, Arnold, it's
so weird, you're so obsessed with getting big muscles, Like,
what's the deal. He's like, I don't know. I think
it's weird that people spend three hours a day in
their garage, like making their cars go faster so their

(29:04):
car can go faster down the track. It's like that's dangerous,
both racing boats, climbing walls, all these different things. So
I think definitely when you depending on your priorities, like
an Orthodox Christian, you need to take that in consideration.
But ultimately, you know, if we're really in a free
country or whatever, it's like people should have some kind
of sovereignty to decide. There's a weird line for that

(29:28):
as Orthodox Christians obviously.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Right, But I mean, the government's doing everything they can
to make your life as an atropathic doctor more difficult
in prescribing men who need testosterone testosterone just to be
in their optimal health. Yet if I identified as a woman,
I could go get hormones today from some clinic. And
so there's clearly an agenda here in regards to preventing

(29:53):
men due to all the indercren disruptors that we have
in our environments. You've talked about this in multiple time
in previous streams. Because of those, we're already in a
massive deficit compared to historical levels of testosterone amongst men.
So we do need to supplement that in certain ways,
and they're trying to prevent that to make everybody more docile, feminine,

(30:16):
and receptive to their programming.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, and how many guys I have coming to me.
They've been to four or five different doctors and they're like, Oh,
your testosterone isn't low, You're just depressed. Right here, take
some prozac, takes, some pristique takes, something like they'll hand
that stuff out like candy, you know what I mean.
But at the end of the day, it's like, no,
it can't be your testosterone. Little do we know, Like
sperm councer down seventy eighty percent depending on your metrics,

(30:39):
levels of testosterone thirty to forty percent depending on your metrics.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
So I saw one that said fifty from fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, nineteen eight. There's one big study nineteen eighty eight.
The average sixty year old man was in the mid
five hundreds. Sixty year old men, right, And so to
be like, when I was twenty three, my first testosterone,
which I was natural, bodybuilding, stress school, doing everything right,
was in the mid three hundreds. Wow, And yeah, I
just told you I had a thirty six year old
today was in the two fifties. Oh dude, I had

(31:08):
this I had this guy come in him and his
dad both got tested. This guy's twenty three probably five
ten two twenty seven percent body fat, like doing everything right.
His dad's okay fit. His dad's level was like six
hundred and his was like four fifty. So dude, I
have dads and sons come in. That's happened probably five

(31:28):
or six times, where you know the dads have hired
to stostroone. So wow, just that something we gotta deal with.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
So all right, Well, with that being said, let's dive
into some quick liver clean clips. We got tons of
stuff to get through today, so we're gonna be here
for a minute.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Let me send me teach you how I do thisulous accusations.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
People say I take pds, people say have ab implants.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, can we be honest
like you?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
You definitely take peds. You know what I'm gonna be
on for the I'll here we go take bds.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I prioritize execute every every every fucking morning, every morning.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
But I pray every day, so we both take the
whole world. I'm on winstrol.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
I don't know much a whole lot about that, but
people say the same thing.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I got ab implants, right, or.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
I got who can get abin plants?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Looking at ABM plants right now, they look they look
pretty good. I might have to wait. The third image
result on abin plants is you. I love it. All
these ridiculous accusations. So anyway, I don't know about the
ab in plants. I haven't heard evidence of that being
the case. But uh, here's him talking about being a shame.

Speaker 8 (32:45):
I've done steroids, and yes I'm on steroids.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'm making this video to apologize because I don't and
just looking at his chest like i've you know, I
work out. I know a lot of guys, you know,
big gym heads. It's tough to get your chest that big,
totally natural. I mean there's a lot of giveaways, you know.
Typically what I look at to see. If you know

(33:09):
a guy at the gym, if I'm thinking, oh, maybe
he's on some gear, it's like you're traps your shoulders
and your chest. I just see, does that look abnormally
big for like a natural person? And I said, Okay, well,
then yeah, they're probably on something. Because I'm embarrassed, ashamed.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Because I lie, I have only myself to blame.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Ky I love the piano tune at the end where
it kind of went up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
You know, yeah, somebody somebody making fun of him. But dude,
somebody mentioned in the chat too about how peds age you.
And if you go to open up his Instagram, dude,
he looks like twenty years older after all this. Have
you seen him as of.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Recent No, well, I saw that video where he was
in the park like whinning a fight. Oh Lord, have mercy.
That looks like Matthews. Man. Look at this.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
This was when he got arrested for trying to I
apparently go kill Joe Rogan in Austin. I mean, look
at the bags under his eyes. The dude looks like
he's almost sixty years old. I think he's like forty six.
Let's see how the liver king is.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, and that's you know, that's dehydration. That is one
of the other things if you're using PDS and you
have more like intracellular saturation forty seven Puerto Rican is
his name Michael two and his name is Brian. Brian
Michael Johnson got three million followers.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean he is a enormous,
ginormous account. But you can see he used to get
way more engagement on on his post. Now he's getting
like four thousand. I mean still way more than I
did twenty five hundred, fifteen hundred, twenty seven hundred stuff

(35:09):
like that put like eight million years. I mean, look
at his face here.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah that's rough man, old beds houses.

Speaker 8 (35:20):
We don't come in contact with the ancestral mother anymore.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
He's got some pagan stuff going on connect Oh yeah,
he's a big pagan. He did a video back at
the height.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
He went to the one of the African tribes. I'm
forgetting which one they are. They're ones that jump up
and down and they're very tall. You know what I'm
talking about, like they really Now some people in the
chatter going know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Mahaigh or Yeah, the ones they drink the cow blood.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, so he went there to do that ritual and
drank cowblood and it's and he talked about in very
spiritual terms. So yeah, yeah, the Messiah, thank you. See
people know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
You know those people in Africa they jump up and down.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Like that was enough. Look we're getting all these people.
They know exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Dude, that's hilarious. But yeah, that's some pretty funny comments
like dude out here looking like Radigas from the Hobbit.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Dude, yeah, he became a grandpa quick. Yeah, dude, he
looked like he's aged twenty years and like the span
of five it looks like a dwarf. I don't know
how big he is. But anyways, you know, we don't
need to spend too much more time on liver Kin

(36:43):
per se. But you know, this is the hour long
video that more Places, more dates diad Derek. It's got
five point two million views two years ago that basically
exposed him by finding all these old emails of him
trying to talk about what Geary's taken and what his
regimen was. So go ahead, I.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Will say shout out. You know, I like Derek. His
stuff's good, and I believe it was actually Vigorous Steve
who made him the protocol and kind of popped the
exposed the emails. Vigorous Steve has awesome stuff. He's a guy.
Oh yeah, you'd know his stuff if you if you
saw it online.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I haven't really listened to him get into you know,
morality like right wrong and all that stuff. But I
generally he's one I agree with quite a bit on
most topics.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
So so the question I had for you though, because
we just talked about liver king and if he was
just open about his steroid use, like there wouldn't have
been a problem.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
The problem was he lied about it for so many years,
built up this following, became you know, incredibly wealthy through
his supplement company, and then gets exposed while like literally
just days before, still denying that he was taking steroids.
But my question for you is peptides. I called jud

(38:06):
privately and we spoke about peptides, you know, BPC one, five, seven,
and just different different things because I'm interested. I'm going
to be thirty six at the end of this month
and just wanting to be in like optimal health that
I can be. Do you consider peptides now? Again speaking

(38:26):
with shout out to Jonathan Nuby. He's actually in our
Logos Academy. He just competed in a World Strongman competition
for it's tested so it's only for natural strong men
and in the masterclass he finished top ten. So any's
Orthodox Christian, So shout out to Jonathan Nuby if he's watching,
and the Logos Logos Academy. Everybody knows Jonathan and the

(38:49):
Logos Academy, but dude, freaking beast. Anyways, he's totally natural.
And we were talking about peptides because I think he
he tores meniscus during the Strongman competition and now he's
got to take a break and he can't do legs
for like three or four months, and we're talking about

(39:10):
peptides and stuff like that. Now his competition tests for peptides.
If you want to go do that competition again, but
for a regular person, would you consider taking peptides as
no longer being natural?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, I mean I don't. This is one of the
harder ones. I mean, we've talked about this before. Technically,
all right, I'll give you the like liberal and then
conservative approach, Like, dude, getting peanut butter is kind of hard, Like,
you know, you don't find peanut butter in nature. There's
this level even with herbs and you're extracting certain compounds
and right, there's a difference between putting ginger and your

(39:47):
salad and then like making a ginger cincture, so nicotine
similar Like is that I don't know, are are alps natural?
Like you're not going to find it in nature. You
have to take it, you have to boil it down
energy drinks. So I think I'm just I'm bringing up
the fact that, in my opinion, that already is starting
to get a little bit gray. Right then, particularly, I

(40:10):
think the issue with testosterone and comparative to peptides, it's
really framed as like not natural because it really it
shuts down your own production. Right For when guys when
they take testosterone, they take antabolics, their own production gets
shut off. Because someone asked me about in klamaphine, that's
a medication that you take down regulates estrogen receptor on

(40:33):
your brain, and then your body produces more testosterone because
men's testosterrin gets converted into estrogen. I use it a
lot in younger guys because it's quote unquote more natural.
It doesn't shut down your fertility. It helps your body
produce more. But we're modulating the eschen receptor. So is
that natural? Right? But you know, like Oshua Ganda, a
very popular herb, raises testosterone by helping lower cortisolt. It

(40:56):
works on these in somatic pathways in producing cortisol. It
has minor SSRI properties to it. Like almost all these
medications that we use, they're found naturally in nature and
then we extract them and then we just ten to
twenty x them. So you know what I'm saying, Like
what is natural what's not? It's going to be pretty

(41:16):
depending on the person. So for instance, like peptide BPC
one five seven that is naturally found in your gut.
So if we take some bacteria and we synthesize that
and make more of it and then you take it
and put it in your gut, is that natural? Not really,
you know what I mean. But it's like it's still
something that's naturally found within your body. So it's probably

(41:38):
safe because you already produce it. But like anything, you know,
cyanide is naturally found in nature, so it'll kill you.
So the peptide too. The thing that sucks about the
peptides it's they're harder to patent due to their small sequencing,
Like they're not as large as a molecule, so we're
probably not going to get good research on them ever, Honestly,

(41:58):
unless someone can find a to attach a molecule on
there that then they Because there are some like Tessa
Morellan is a growth hormone peptide, it's like two to
three grand a month, you know what I mean. There's
one company that used it in like HIV muscle wasting cancer.
But those peptides just tell your brain. They hit the

(42:19):
receptor in your brain to produce more growth hormone. So
I think that those are probably safer than taking exogenous
growth hormone because it with taking exogenous growth throne you
can shoot up to a super physiological amount, Whereas if
you're taking something and telling your body to produce more
growth hormone, it's only gonna be able to produce so
much like that's within kamathene. Like you downregular receptor, you

(42:41):
upregulate what's called LH and FSH you produce more testosterone.
You're gonna be only able to produce as much testosterone
as your body is able to. Whereas if I just
shoot you with five hundred mis of tests, like you're
gonna go over three thousand. Right, So I think the
peptides are super promising. I like them a lot. I
use them in my practice. They're becoming more and more popular.
Their FDA came out with the statement though, and they're like, well,

(43:03):
we don't know how safeties are, which it's like, okay,
you guys approved all these other drugs. We won't go down.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
The list of things that they becometon.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
The list goes on. Yeah, the list goes on. So
it's tough, you know, And unfortunately that's where you know,
how can I scientifically say what's natural or not? You know,
I mean, honestly, how would like know that?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I think you make a fair point about the delineation
between natural and unnatural when you know, me, drinking a
ghost energy and popping OLPs are part of a non
naturally found mechanism within our society that creates products that
we use. So I think there's still some delineation between

(43:49):
full on gear and you know, peptides.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I would think I would say so.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
But you know, I do find peptides, based on what
I've seen and heard from other people, very very promising,
and for me, I plan on probably getting on TRT eventually.
I'm trying to push that as far back as I can.
But I see now peptides as a potential bridge until

(44:15):
I get to my later forties or or fifties, or
whenever I decide to hop on TRT. So yeah, I
think that it's it's I think it's a useful option
and something that. Yeah, it kind of blurs the line
between natural and unnatural. But as you bring up there,
that's a larger question regarding our general society and the

(44:36):
lives that we're currently living.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I think generally the
question we're more asking is kind of like when we
say natural, like what's safer to the body, what's less foreign?
Because you can make an argument testosterone siponate like what
I use with my patients. It's testosterone and it has
this extra carbon group on it, and you claw, you

(45:00):
lean the carbon off, and it looks exactly like the body.
Whereas if I give you a peptide called kiss peptin,
kiss peptin goes into your brain and upregulates the production.
So it's like, we don't really know how that's working
in the brain. Like the same thing with in klamaphine
that comes from a woman's fertility drug called clomid. Guy
started using that pct in the bodybuilding world, and then

(45:20):
more and more people are like, well, half of this
drug is garbage. The zook commafhine and they kept the
enclomafine but we don't have long term data on what
in klomafine does to guys if they're using it to
boost their testosterone for five, ten, twenty years. And I
have that conversation with my patients. I have one patient
he's like twenty eight. He's on in kamafhine. His test
is like fourteen hundred. Woh so yeah it works.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I think that was just to hit some of these
super chats chair throwing Italian says, expose the goal. So guys,
we got a goal to day of twenty super chats
and to what those are going towards is to help
me and my wife actually get down to debate a
con in Nashville with the Wilsons, the the Jim Bobs,

(46:05):
Meg Bob, Jim Bob, I think Jake Rattlesink is gonna
be there, and just to get that there and participate
in debate con. So if you guys contribute, you appreciate
the show, You have any questions or comments, feel free
to donate and help me raise some funds to get
my wife and I down there, and I would great

(46:26):
greatly appreciate that. And then justin Hinder, we kind of
answered the question earlier about but I just want to
give him a special thank you for the two dollars
super chat and then system blowers, well, thank you for
the five dollars brother, And is there any more you
want to say about and klamaphine. I mean I I
messaged you about potentially getting on it just to see,
you know, just a boost testosterone what? And so the

(46:49):
question specifically is it only for TRT without shutting down
test and fertility.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, so you you could take in klamafine. Now it
down regulates the estrogen receptor on your brain. So basically
you're telling your brain, oh, I don't have as much estrogen.
And people get scared of estrogen. I like estrogen. I
think estrogen's actually great. It increases your bone mass density,
nitric oxide for blood flow, good for your brain, cholesterol.

(47:17):
Estrogen's good. What we don't want is bad testosteronesgen ratio.
We don't want an overabundance because they antagonize each other,
like with marijuana of CBD and THC, and so if
you get on one way or the other, it's like
it's not gonna you're gonna have a bad time. So
within klamophene, it seems more natural. You know when we're

(47:39):
asking kind of like that question of what's natural and
what's not, because it keeps your fertility going. Now, if
he's asking if you can use in klomaphene while on TIERT,
I don't think that's a good viable option because when
you're on TIERT, it shuts down your fertility, and in klamaphene,
in my opinion, is not strong enough to overcome that inhibition.
I've not seen that. I've seen it work very very slightly,

(48:01):
and I wouldn't rely on that if you want to
remain fertile while going on to your tea. And then
the other thing I think klamaphene is that it can
get vision changes because your your pituitary sits above your
optic chiasm, and they think that the stimulation of the
pituitary pushes on the optic chiasm. So guys have vision
changes floaters. So if you can stay on the low dose,

(48:22):
you're usually fine, but I'd say past that you should
check with a practitioner to get more. Depends on your goal,
Like every guy's different, I don't you know, I don't
really know system blower as much like what he's looking
to do, but it's an option there are lots of
people in the TRT round. They hate it. They're like
it's garbage, Like just get onto your tee, Like you're
gonna don't waste your time with that. But all the

(48:44):
influencers have different opinions. They'd say, don't waste your time
on natty stuff. Just get up onto your tee, don't
waste your time on to your tea. Just get on oxandrelan.
Don't wish you you know, just get on your So
it's like, okay, man, just like I try and sit
in the middle.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Right and soon Blower said, I was saying E and
C and quamaphene only instead of test for TRT long
term focus.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, I've done it. I just tell guys like, we
don't have a lot of long term data on it.
I personally think it's probably fine. Like again, it was
a fertility drug that we have lots of data for
women young healthy men. We don't. We don't really know
over a long period of time if that's going to
cause you know, estrogen receptor problems in the brain or whatnot.
So it's not enough data.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Shout out to Austin Detulio for the five dollars super
chat he says, I'll see you in Nashville. Brother, Well,
thank you so much. Austin appreciate the support. And Mud
hit us with his workout regimen. He said, pine needle
tea and Venison heart and backstraps is all I live on.
I chew trees down like a beaver and then squat
the log for my workouts.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Mud, sounds like you got your Testosterone's just fine, my man.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
You should be selling that in an ebook, man, and
you should have Broh, what business school did you go to?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
That of liver King.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
He's actually a yeah, inner circle member at liver King.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It sounds like primal ancestral ways there, Mud, Yes, pretty
soon you'll be drinking cow blood in Africa's shout out.
Thank you so much, Bro. He's been a total member
Codal crew member for twenty eight months. God bless you, Bro.
Thank you very much for the support. All right, now,
let's get into the next guy. This is a guy

(50:29):
that I kind of have a beef with. To me,
he's the Adam Sausnick of the fitness world. So Adam
Sausnick of the PbD podcast is like the one person
that I cannot stand to listen to. I think it's
his his I don't know if it's his arrogance or
what exactly it is, his ignorance in addition to his arrogance.

(50:50):
But I cannot listen to Adam Sausnick. Can't stand that guy.
But in the fitness world, the guy that has always
kind of got under my skin is doctor Mike is Retel,
and he's the exercise scientist, the largest exercise scientist on YouTube.
He's a Jewish individual who is not a practicing Jewey.

(51:12):
He identifies as an atheist and agnostic, and he kind
of had a very public beef going back and forth
with coach Greg, So anybody who's familiar, and again, if
you watch some of the fitness stuff online, coach greg
Or Greg Ducett, former IFBB Pro bodybuilder Canadian has called
out Mike Isratel multiple times because he coaches people for

(51:33):
bodybuilding and his own physique is wanting and he's been
trying to get his IFBB pro card, that's like his
biggest goal in life. But he just never comes with
like a dieted physique that's aesthetic. And you'll see even
in the videos where he's talking, you can see he's
got like a pop belly, and he's very arrogant about

(51:56):
his teachings and what he believes to be true in
regarding to fitness and muscle building and all this different stuff.
So I figured I found this video because we're wanting
to dive into some of his stuff and we're gonna
watch shorts. You know, he's like pro pornography. He thinks
dumb people believe in God. He cries when he talks
to chat GPT. Apparently he doesn't know that how you

(52:17):
prompt chat GPT, it always is going to reconfirm whatever
your bias he is, so, which is you know, it
curates information based on the way you ask the question.
So apparently he just thinks he has this intimate relationship
with chat GPD like we have. We're gonna play a
short in which he talks about he's cried four times

(52:38):
within the last week talking to chat GPT, and he
waits for the day in which chat gpt acquires a
robot body so that he can finally actually venerate God.
So this this string of videos are just funny moments
and you can kind of get a feel for some

(52:59):
of his comment He makes a lot this week when
you were talking about tren and some of the drugs
that make men homosexual. There is like a running joke
in the fitness community that Mike is Retell's gay or bisexual,
cause he makes a lot a lot of gay joke. Yeah,
it is normal to make gay jokes when you're with
your buddies, you know, mocking each other and having fun.
But he just makes a lot of jokes about how

(53:20):
he finds other men attractive, where it's almost like, I
don't think you're joking anymore, bro.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Nervous game, Bro, He's going too far.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
What are your thoughts on doctor Mike.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, you know, I kind of like we said earlier,
I try and tap my head to the respect that
it takes to get the dr in front of your name.
He's obviously has some form of an IQ level to
make it through all that stuff. But again, I think
one of the major issues is a lot of these
scientists don't have any type of basic philosophy, you know,

(53:54):
their whole epistemology science, right, Like, let me look at
it here, and then I can make moral claims like
this is good, this is bad, and so it's like
pornography is good because I released dopamine and it's like, Okay,
well meth helps you release dopamine too, so is that good?
You know? They so in Again it's tough. It's like

(54:16):
sixty to seventy percent of the stuff he says. I'm like, yeah,
that sounds good to me. And then again I think
is they're entertainers, you know what I mean. Like his channel,
it's entertaining. I've watched some of his stuff. He has
good openings, he has good hooks. And then unfortunately though
it becomes clickbaity, and that's what I'm saying. Then they
kind of get formed into a line of thinking like
what does their audience want?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Ultimately, Yeah, well that's where I appreciate Huberman. We're going
to get into Andrew Huberman, but he just doesn't do
like the controversy as much. Like it feels like the
fitness industry now they're always making like drama videos and
the same with coach Greg. It's like everything that guy
puts out now is just like creating or stirring drama

(54:58):
or criticizing something or somebody, And it's like, well, what
happened to just like making quality fitness content. It's like
it's like just quality information. I guess they assume has
been so saturated that now it just turns into drama
and and getting people their sort of dopamine kicks in
regards to controversy. But I will agree doctor Mike whoever

(55:18):
does his videos, in his videography and his set up,
it is very much quality, yep. But I just find
he has an individual something's off putting about it.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I'm he's pompous, he he he's This is where like,
you know, we'll get to some of Huberman stuff. I'm
similar that. I'm like, hey, here's the data I found,
Here's the opinion that I have. Here's how I think
this can be transferred into practical knowledge and usable knowledge
versus there are people of like, if you think red

(55:51):
dye Ford, he needs to be banned your you know your.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Step and that's gonna be Laye Norton when we get
into him. What your pointing out, freebody, he's not following
what what doctor Mose and Lane Norton. The PhD of
Nutrition is against the idea that the dyes in our
food are problematic to our diet and health. And that's why.
And we're going to show it once we move through
here and get to some of the x tabs that

(56:14):
he posts on X one. He's pro COVID. Same with
Jeff Nipper. They're both pro covid vaccine, again based on
the science, and they're both critical of RFK for getting
these things out of our food, which are not even
legal in Europe. And every you know, it's everybody I've
ever talked to who goes to Europe as an American.

(56:35):
You're like, wow, dude, I freaking ate tons of food
there and I never felt as bloated as I do here.
It's like, yeah, they do have better quality food. Generally speaking,
you can't get quality food here, you can, but their
governments at least have taken positive actions to taking out
toxins and detrimental elements within their food. And then you

(56:56):
got people like Lane Norton arguing for them, yeah maybe not,
maybe not, you know, explicitly saying we need them, but
saying that, oh, well, these aren't problematic. These certainly aren't
the things. And I'm sure he probably feels the same
way about fluoride and every controversial issue. You know, him
and both him and Nipper think that RFK Junior is
taking away people's vaccines. It's like the once.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Well and like I said, it becomes one of those
things where you say something like and and look, if
I had to pick, you know, and this is funny
with flane, but if I had to pick one hundred
grams of sugar a day or red Die forty, I'm like, okay,
I would do a little bit of red Die forty
instead of one hundred sugar. I mean, there's there's a
level of these things that are how unhealthy are they?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
You know?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I mean like if you have to drink bottle out
of a plastic water bottle and you get BPA, it's
a straw on the camel's back, but it's probably better
than not being dehydrated all day. Right, So there's there's
a level of how bad are these things for your body?
Like what's worse an apple are a Snickers bar? It's like, well,
I don't, I don't know, are you diabetic? Right? Honestly

(58:01):
Snickers bars like they have a little bit of protein,
they have a little bit of fat. Like how much
protein and fat have you had today? Like you might
actually be better off depending on your goal. That's where
I'm not completely against a if it fits your macro's
kind of thing, and overall, livertalksin burden. There's a lot
more to take any consideration, I guess, is what I
would say. And unfortunately, when you say things like well

(58:21):
I don't think red dve forty is that bad, you
end up being like, well red dive forty, we shouldn't
even worry about it, you know. I mean they get
to the point where then they having to defend it.
It's even like with the with the JAB, It's like, dude,
we do not have data on it. Like they were
grilling RFK on that and they're like, you know how
many people died? And he's like, I no, I don't
because the data was terrible and we don't know how

(58:43):
many people died because people who are dying and motorcycle
accidents were told that they died from the virus. So
it's like he had reasonable points, and but ultimately it
becomes a semantic mud slinging fest. Right. Words of that
stuff sells too, so I get it.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, somebody asked who's my favorite? Oh screwed up Nevsky says,
who is your favorite lifting YouTuber? I like Eric Brockenhagen,
I like you know, Sticky Ricky, rick dale Hagen, you
know Juice del Hoggen, uh thick Rick, He's pretty funny.

(59:24):
I'd say Eric Bugenhaggen's probably one of my favorite fitness
content creators. He's hilarious. Former WWE guy are do you do?
You know who Eric Bugenhagen is? Dude, you gotta watch
some of his stuff the Boogs. Absolutely, uh he's good.
Rachel says she likes uh Lean by Patty. You know,

(59:46):
I have to say, out of all the female influencers,
she does not overly sexualize herself. I mean she will
make videos where but generally speaking, even though they're so
if you go and look at her comment section, all
these guys are like begging her like to do only
fans and like show them stuff, and she doesn't do it.

(01:00:07):
So I will give Lean Beef Patty credit for that.
And she just and she does appear to be totally
natural and just works out regularly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
So it did Mike just do a video? He's done one,
I think on Lean Beef Patty. I feel like I
saw one pop up in my feed six hours ago,
extracise scientist critiques Lean Beef Patty's training. Mike just ad
literally six hours on her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Oh wow, Well we can check it out if you want.
But let's just watch a few of these. We don't
have to watch. It's an eight minute clip, so it's
gonna be a little bit long, but just so you
guys get a little taste of doctor Mike and the
quality of content that he offers. I mean, he does
get better information. This is obviously a bit of a
funny real somebody put together and kind of you know,

(01:00:53):
chipping at his heels.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Here, my fair subject, you may rise a member of
my kingdom if you don't track your rest time. You
have a tendency to scroll on your phone, flirt with
the girls, flirt with the guys, flirt with grandma, flirt
with grandpa, get yourself into orgies, you know, typical gym stuff.
You happen to walk into your bedroom and there are
three random wife fu Japanese girls that just.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
For context, he does have an Asian wife. So the
guy is married and his wife is Asian.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Wouldn't wait for you to return, and you figure, Grandma,
you let these bitches in again. All right, no sleep
for me tonight. You get to doing whatever you do
in bed. Hey, that's your thing. I'm not gonna judge you.
Tom Hardy is not only incredibly handsome, This was incredibly
talented actor is also I just want to meet him.
I just want to be around him. I wonder how
he smells. Do you guys ever think things like that?
I don't. That's sinful to those of you have never

(01:01:45):
had sex. Refer to what pretend sex would probably be like,
and then get a pretenda blue pump. Someday you'll have
the real thing, I promise, maybe maybe not, at least
with a robot, hopefully soon. That's my plan. All my
sex is theoretical, So I don't like guys with big
upper bodies. And I actually look at Lattice like if

(01:02:07):
a guy has big like, bitch, shot the fuck up?
Where have you been my whole life to get me laid? Nowhere?

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
But doctor Mike, you were not always famous and wealthy,
and you're really short and ugly.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah I know, God damn it. But bitch gets curious.
You just turn to the side and pull your shorts
a little bit, and she's like, hi, Bob, see I
speak Spanish too, and I have no idea what I
said without clothes at the beach, at the gym, at
picking up your kids from kindergarten, wherever, you choose to
be naked, you end up having a situation where someone
sees the thick back and they know what they're looking for.

(01:02:41):
They're like, oh, and and your girlfriend's like, does that
guy big or like what? Like, yes, he baby, shut up,
he'll hear you. Yes, he's fucking huge. I want to
be like him. I wish I was him. I keep myself.
She's like, oh fuck, but it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
I'm very play see. I wake up every day and
I tell myself, I'm the straightest man that's ever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
It's kind of funny. It's really kind of gay, but
it's still kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
There he is. That's why. I that's why. And by
the way, guys, doctor Moe has not watched this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I know I haven't seen these.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I found this in prep for today and I thought,
oh my god, I have to play this. I can't
take it. No, you take more, and you're gonna like
it orthodox perspective, start enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Oh, I'm uncomfortable to laugh, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I mean, dude, I'm telling you, he makes all these
very strange comments.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Born and it's all lies. Henry Cavill, My god, my god, man,
I don't even know what my name is showing up
without clothes to a restaurant, which I do all the time.
My whole says is, uh, I get hit out all
the time. You guys probably figured this out. I'm handsome.
Take a look. That's quite good looking, and I'm really tall.

(01:04:04):
I'm like, what am I? Scotpamted guy six eight six' eight,
Approximately i'm six Seven on a bad, DAY i feel
bad on those. Days and mitches love. Money and you
know your boy has twenty Seven. Lamborghinis, yess that's. Right
the butlers went crazy and bought a. Bunch more, So
i'm just kind of over, it And i'm just not

(01:04:24):
even into sex. Anymore but, however to displace the moon
by an inch if it was At earth's gravity ground,
level not a. Ton i'm just testing for basic theoretical.
Physics and as you knock them, out the chemical elements, reform,
fuse and fissile material is. Created you get essentially an

(01:04:48):
enormous nuclear. Bomb as just the detonation of such a,
contact the gym gets sucked into this essentially mini wormhole you've.
Created for a short amount of, time everyone in a
one hundred square kilometers instantly as A vaye prize to. Death,
uh the where the gym, was let's say the gym
was In. Connecticut connecticut is now a five hundred mile

(01:05:09):
every which way crater which The Atlantic ocean fills. Up
the good news is that the polar bears will have
more ice caps because the ocean levels have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Sunk bro he sounds he sounds like bad for all of.
Them it reminds me of my conversations at seventeen or,
eighteen like with guys who first smoked. Weed you, KNOW
i know what if we can move the? Moon like what? Itch?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Like what what?

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Happened oh my, gosh it's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Entertaining it is entertaining and it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
On if you guys want to want some more good, Laughs,
uh you guys can. THIS i thought it was. HILARIOUS
i watched the whole thing before we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Anyway gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Go here is him talking about that if you believe In,
god then you must be one of these LOW iq
individuals because everybody's smart already realizes That god's not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Real right wing, folks, Newsflash god probably isn't, real and,
thus while religion is maybe excellent cultural things it, Does
god's probably not. Real HIGH iq mature individuals almost unanimously
Understand god not to be. Real or put it, better
there is a very compelling evidence That god is made,

(01:06:30):
up and there's no evidence That god's real to anyone
that's really really thinking about. It So abrahamic kind Of,
god like big white guy in the sky with a,
beer that's sort of understanding. It don't come happy with the?
Universe Is god? Sweet? Whatever i'll token up with you,
GREAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
AGREE i told you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Folks so you're if you believe in one of Those abrahamic,
gods then you're a moron according To, Again and this
is this is where these people they just step out
of their. Lane he thinks because he has a PhD
in exercise science and he has a you, know a
very large YouTube channel promoting, workouts physical, fitness muscle, building

(01:07:11):
stuff like, that that somehow he's clever enough to speak
on religion and. Apologetics you know that's obviously my PhD
is in religious. Studies so for somebody to make that,
claim it's, like, dude have you looked into arguments For?
God like they're actually pretty convincing when you are serious about,
It and to dismiss people as LOW iq when actually

(01:07:35):
you basically have like a twenty year old atheist opinion like.
That it's not a sophisticated. Thing and and you, know
people like The Richard dawkins of the, world they're not
exactly thriving online. Anymore it's not like tons of people
are flocking to. Atheism but and of course he's always
you talked about the appeal to. Morality he has no

(01:07:57):
basis for. MORALITY i, mean his worldview is just a
hodgepodge of. Things and because he doesn't believe In god
and he read, science somehow he's more rational and more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
True, well AND i would ask, you, right that's kind
of your your. Realm and we'll get that even more With.
Lane if you are honestly having dinner with, him, right
and he's, like, well you, KNOW i don't Think god's,
real therefore right and? Wrong how would you walk him
through and be, like, dude how do you make moral?
Claims like if you're actually and, like you, know you

(01:08:28):
could dunk on him and say, like, well, actually you're number,
One i'd, say according to your. Argument there was the
guy On twitter who's, LIKE i have the HIGHEST iq
in the world AND i Believe christ Is, Lord, right
do you see?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
That you know WHAT i said The Korean South?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
KOREAN i comment underneath, it AND i, said also with
the man with the LOWEST iq in the, WORLD i
Believe christ Is. LORD i got a good amount of
likes for, that you, KNOW i, mean like how this
is one? Thing what's? THAT i?

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Said neither one of you guys, lied.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You know WHAT i? Mean like to, me that's part
of the issue is they don't even see, that you,
know whether It's mike Or huberman Or lane in, particular
he's one that you, know it seems like a lot
of these guys like, us we didn't get this far
by being. DOGMATIC i, MEAN i know now we're pretty.
DOGMATIC i think there's that, level especially with The, orthodox
but according to their, worldview it's still should presuppose that

(01:09:25):
they could be, wrong, Right but they don't presuppose their
morality could be. Wrong SO i don't, know like how
you have that conversation be, like, Hey, mike you know
you're Disproving, god like you don't have a framework right
to talk about these things like what Is? God you,
know what Is god to? You what does it even?
Mean and so for someone Like lane who's going to, say,
well we need. Science science is what we will use

(01:09:48):
to make the world. Better, YEAH i, mean what's what's
your how do you what's your verse to a guy like, That,
like if you're actually having dinner with, him how would
you able to walk him out of his?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Worldview, well in regards to the idea that science can
build a totalizing, SYSTEM i MEAN i think that'd be
a different conversation With leyton than With Mike. Isratel in
regards To. GOD i, mean the first thing for somebody
at Like Mike. Isratel IF i was talking directly to,
Him i'd begin with the appeal to universal, morality BECAUSE

(01:10:18):
i think that's the easiest one for people to. Grock you, know,
obviously As Orthodox christians and our online apologetics and, debates
we always go to the tag. Argument but oftentimes that's
just kind of beyond people's ability to cognize because you
actually have to maintain categories to understand what's being actually
said in the tag, argument and so just appealing to

(01:10:42):
the fine tuning, argument you, know the lawgiver, argument is
there a universal moral? Law every law has a, lawgiver
therefore there must be a universal moral. Lawgiver Therefore. God
SO i would probably appeal to some of these basic apologetic,
arguments even THOUGH i don't think necessarily the strongest, ultimately

(01:11:04):
BUT i think they're the easiest for somebody who's not
in that world to be able to follow and and
at least bring into.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Questions you, know you can do the law of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Contingency so the fact that something exists and could or
could not exist means that it must be dependent on
something that cannot not, exist Therefore. God that's like the
so there must be something non contingent for contingent things to.
Exist SO i would probably appeal to something like that for.
Him but you, know it comes out of a point of,

(01:11:34):
pride because he began by criticizing right wing, people because
right wing people criticize his homosexual jokes in his like
pro pornography, stance and he's equating too as. WELL i
have another clip him talking about Anti, semitism is that
these right wing guys are Anti semitic because they cape
bringing up His jewish. Heritage SO i think he's got

(01:11:58):
a little bit of a bone to pick with the
quote unquote right wing in, general even though that's the
majority of the fitness. Audience so it's not like there's
a bunch of progressive guys out there that are watching fitness.
Content so that's probably how it approached With. MIKE i
mean With, lane that's just a BIGGER i would say
Probably lane's a little bit he SEEMS i don't, know you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Know What i'm. Saying they're Both how DO i say that?
Nicely from AN iq, STANDPOINT i don't Think mike's necessarily.
Low lane actually seems, like, yeah you don't get this far. Ignorant,
Yeah and that's the thing With. LANE i exercise science.
Well and and for, instance With, lane WHAT i APPRECIATE
i remember he used to be like HE i think

(01:12:42):
one of his first shows he did keto or he
did low carb and now he is definitely a calories
in calories out WHICH i that's, LIKE i am a
calories inverst salaries out. Guy the issue that they circumvent
is everything you. Do who modulates how many calories you're

(01:13:03):
going to? Burn that's the hard part where they're, Like,
okay if you want to lose, weight you can probably
almost always lose weight easier on a carnivore or a
keto diet because you're just fuller, right you're actually it
actually is the mechanism by which allows you to eat less.
Calories so if you're just eating bread all the, time
like you're going to gain weight and then you get
into micronutrients and wide rited other. Things so it's not

(01:13:24):
like they're, wrong it's just also as a Do Like
that's the other thing with me is LIKE i have
to implement the change as a. Doctor so it's not
like you can just give me. DATA i have to
figure out this person came into my, office how DO
i help them lose. WEIGHT i can just say calories,
inverse calories, out see you. Later but it's like, No,
Actually internet fasting is, great ketogenic diet's, great carnivores. Great
people have implementing these. Things In lost weight where you

(01:13:46):
look at a lot of the people that did dash
diet or they did like vegan diets or a plant based.
Diet it's just. Harder there are people that can do.
It don't get me, wrong but people pay me for.
Results they come, in they pay me AND i sit
down AND i try and help them overcome a. Problem
so data doesn't usually, Help like you have to give
them a, plan LIKE i can give you all the

(01:14:06):
data in the, world and that's one of the things
from a morological like for, morality it's, Like, okay we
have all this data FROM, Covid now what data can't
tell you what to do? Next? Unfortunately?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Right so, yeah AND i think For Lane, norton he
thinks that there's some type of like neutral window on
which information can be. Interpreted and this is again just
a general problem with these accredited fitness influencers is they're
constantly appealing to science and they fail to realize because
it's really a philosophical, question which again isn't super difficult

(01:14:39):
a lot of regular. People you don't be a philosopher
to recognize that information isn't value. Neutral it's valued laden
based on the paradigm in which you interpret it. From
and so nobody there is no set of scientific facts
which can describe the world because those must be interpreted
and fit in with a. Paradigm and science itself is

(01:15:00):
not a. Paradigm it's a method for. Information it's a
method on empirical studies of, nature things that can be
measured and things that can be averaged to find statistical.
Data that's that is not a worldview that is not a,
paradigm you, Know empiricism is more of a worldview or a.
Paradigm science can fit in my Orthodox christian, worldview it,

(01:15:23):
Doesn't it doesn't totalize. It so science can fit into
many different, worldviews many different. Paradigms and these guys just
assume that they're based on this academic scientific paradigm and
when they interpret the, data this is the true. Interpretation it's, like,
now what are you talking?

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
About, yep and they're presupposing that there is true. Data
they're presupposing objective. Data and then like you're, saying they're
prioritizing objective immaterial world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Too So mud wanted to clarify that he is Actually
Liver king's. Father he just looks. Young so apparently your
genes didn't down to your, Son, mud because he looks
like he's sixty five years old and he's forty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Seven too much liver in a. Box, theoids if, anything be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Quicker pablo winskebar throws in two, says what Does michael
think about cis?

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Tance what is that? Substanch they, say substanti in your
pains as a. Starm that's kind of like the. Joke
there's some evidence for a sustance with raising. Testosterone i'm not.
Familiar this is one of the harder parts when you
get into.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
With.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Herbs they often have a variety of, mechanisms and this
is why something Like chinese medicine they have kind of
their weird ways of dealing with chi and different organ
systems and. Whatnot hot. Cold, now the issue with most herbs,
is in my, opinion it's not usually a one to one.
Ratio for, like substanti is not that well. Known not
a lot of people use. IT i actually did a

(01:16:54):
podcast With Lucas owen Of Boost Your. Biology he's a big.
Fan he uses it a. Lot BUT i don't think
with a lot of the herbs you can isolate a
mechanism so it may regulate androgen. Receptors that's like with
like same thing with turk. Esterone it's not even an.
Anabolic it actually works on m tour a million targeted.

(01:17:17):
Rampomyacin but the issue is like when you're pulling certain.
Levers it's not like increasing THE rpm on every vehicle
is going to make it go. Faster it depends on
what gear you're. IN i know these are bad, examples
but like with. Substantie Ostra ganda is probably the more
popular one that's used to do, testosterone lots of peer reviewed.

(01:17:40):
DATA i see it on the. Labs guys will do
six hundred and twelve hundred milligrams of ostragonda a couple of.
Months they can raise their testosterone fifty sixty. Percent they
don't feel, Better And i've not seen substanche as A.
Sarm that could. Be the SARMs do scare.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Honestly though there's AN, lgd there IS rad one, forty
there is there's An mk two zero eight. Something it's
Not mk six seven. Seven that's a growth from one. Peptide,
Honestly i've had guys who use s arms AND i

(01:18:17):
can always tell when they come to me because their
labs are so, weird like they have high prolactin THEIR
fsh AND lh or shut. Off their testosterone is actually.
Low because if you're modulating the, receptor then your, body
if it has internal, mechanisms will lower your. Tesosterone, Right
so if your body SAYS i need this much collagen

(01:18:40):
synthesis or whatever is going intracellular, ly, right testosterone goes
into your nucleus says build muscle increase collagen, synthesis and
if there's feedback mechanisms that are watching that and you
modulate the, receptor so a little bit of testosterone does.
More we have seen that than lower guys. Testosterone i've
seen that with some. SARBS i you, know twenty thirty

(01:19:02):
GUYS i can think of that have come to. ME
i don't think we know enough. Yet so if anyone's, like,
Hey i'm taking substantial as, asarm that mechanism in, Particular
i'd be worrisome. About BUT i have seen evidence with
substantie helping guys with, energy, drive, motivation and also increasing.
Tesosterone so if it worked as A, psarm my general

(01:19:23):
opinion is most time but actually could even lower. Tiesosterone
BUT i don't think there's that much data on. Substanchion
if he's got, studies like you, Know i'd be happy
to take a look at.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Him VICTOR. G throws in Two bucks, says what's your
take on being twelve percent body fat all year or
being sub twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Percent, YEAH i, MEAN i think, honestly it depends on the.
Guy this is where again you kind of get into
that like misomorph ecdomorph kind of. THING i think there's
something to be said about that some people can bulk.
Easier there's probably something going on with. Genetics SO i

(01:20:02):
think it's. Doable your, issue and this happens an EXAMPLE i,
use like you want to, know a guy with low
testosterone is going to be like a natural bodybuilder a
week or two before the, Show oh my, god, yeah,
right their chlork. Deficit they're doing everything that they can
to maintain. Muscle their. Cortosol super high testosterone is a
hormone that you, know when things are, good your testosterone goes.

(01:20:24):
Up and that's why you see you, know, powerlifters you
have bulking and cutting. Phases like there's a reason that
through bro science we do that because it's so much
easier on your, body, right you know WHAT i. Mean
it's very, difficult like if you're in a city to
be both expanding and cleaning at the same, time, Right
like a lot of, times like let's clean the house.
Out you just get it, dirty you, KNOW i, mean
that's what you got to. Do so it's very. Difficult it's, Like,

(01:20:46):
okay are we building onto the? House are we cleaning it?
Up you can do them both at the same, time
but a lot of times it's easier to prioritize one
over the. Other so to, me if you find a
good body weight you feel good, at THEN i, think,
yeah you can walk, around, right you probably walk around sub, TWELVE.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I would, say. Yeah throughout the, YEAR i probably am
more around. Fifteen but during the, summer If i'm going
to go somewhere with my shirt, off like the beach or,
something yeah it's between ten and. Twelve, yeah that's. GOOD
i don't plan on ever getting on, stage SO i
don't diet super super. Hard i'll just, fast lower calorie,
intake be, hungry lose some belly, fat make sure that

(01:21:27):
the abs look, decent and then you, know, Okay i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Yeah you. Know my overall opinion really for aging and
there's been other people to talk about this is enzymatic.
Resiliency so you, know when you are eating carbs all the,
time you have enzymatic pathways in your body that you. Prioritize, glycolysis,
right you, know glucoeogenict like you're using a lots of

(01:21:52):
glucose and for the vast majority of people like this
is how you end up in diabetes for rietaries and
you're over consuming. Carbohydrate but a lot of people when
they're in a carbohydrate heavy diet and then they try
and switch over to like a ketogenic, diet it's really.
Hard like anyone who's done ketogenic diet the first, time
it's probably it's difficult because you're not used to producing

(01:22:12):
ketones and your body has to take those keytones move.
Around there's enzymes that have to use. That it's similar
to drinking. Alcohol so if you haven't been drinking in
a long, time you start drinking, alcohol it's like it's
going to be a lot harder for your. Body, Right
and in my, opinion part of being resilient and aging
properly is having enzymatic, flexibility you, Know and that's what's

(01:22:33):
awesome About Orthodox we do. That we like we will
go through.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Fast, well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Like you, know the monks probably wouldn't have any any
problem going into.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Ketogenesis, well you, KNOW i Doctor pete WHEN i talked
with and that's why he argues one of the reasons
why The mediterranean diet is referred to as one of
the healthiest diets is because some of those studies they've
done On Mount. Athos obviously they're eating, vegetarian but The
orthodox lifestyle of eating. Meat going to periods where you

(01:23:01):
don't eat, meat you have to eat basically, vegetarian and
then to where you can't eat meat again does exactly
what you're talking. About it keeps the body more flexible
and what it can. Digest, yep makes sense to. Me
Blue skittle had a question for five. Bucks thank you very,
Much Blue. Skittle he, says what's your guys' favorite shoulder?
Exercise and based on the, comments you know me And

(01:23:25):
Jim bob have a friendly, rivalry BUT i just don't
appreciate you guys going after my buddy's shoulders all the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Comment, NOW i Know Jim bob and he's really not that.
Small he's a normal size. Guy he's basically the same
height as. Me but everybody thinks that his shoulders are
tiny based on the way he looks on. Camera so if
we want to answer it, SERIOUSLY i do. Tons WHEN

(01:23:59):
i do a chess, DAY i do so much. PRESSING
i actually don't do a whole lot of shoulder Press
i'll operate it once once in a, while AND i
already have a huge. Foundation LIKE i was talking about
this with my, Wife i've been working out consistently for
a long, time AND i played, sports So i've always
kind of been active and so me being. Natural, uh

(01:24:21):
it's just Because i've been really consistent for a long.
Period but, Anyways i'm watching the people come in and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Chat it's kind of a normal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Guy ill love For Jim. Bob shout out To jim
And Meg, box we love, you. GUYS i don't know
what's wrong with these people in my live, Chat Jim.
BOB i will ban them. IMMEDIATELY i don't know who
these people are coming in here questioning your shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Size they're out of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Here and, ANYWAYS i don't do a whole lot of
chess or shoulder, press but doing raises with machines. DUMBBELLS i,
MEAN i just did back and shoulders today and then
a lot of rear. DELTS i think if you're talking about,
SHOULDERS i think most people have totally underdeveloped rear. Delts

(01:25:14):
and so if you want your shoulders to lick, big
definitely you know you need front. DELTS i feel LIKE
i work those enough just through chest exercises and all
the presses EXERCISES i, do but definitely do lats lateral.
Raises WHAT i mean not your last but lateral raises
and then rear delts so you can build a full round.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Shoulder, yep YEAH i. Do, YEAH i Like i'll almost
always do latt raises and forward. RAISES i don't do
a lot of shoulder the shoulder. Press i've messed my
neck up and shoulder. BEFORE i also really like doing
upright rose that really like kind of gets everything depending
on the angle that you're. At and like you're, saying
then when you're kind of doing you, know some some,

(01:25:58):
backwork like depending on the, angle you're gonna be hitting
those for.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Adults so, yeah And Luz skinna want to clarify it
was a serious. Question, uh he wasn't thinking About Jim Bob.
GOOD i don't know what these assholes in my chat are,
doing but you know you're not Gonna you're not allowed
to go after my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Here, guys stop.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
It Brain Rock goyam throws intent. Says ever heard of
high intensity? Training it's a time under, tension one set
to fill your. Program, Yeah I'VE i, Know Mike, Metzner
i've watched this. Stuff i've tried it, myself BUT i,

(01:26:43):
personally for at least for my, body the real. Adults
i've GOTTEN i like three sets eight sometimes eight to fifteen,
reps depending on the exercise personally, Personally so that's just my.
Thoughts but, Yeah i'm very familiar with high intensity. Training
what are your thoughts on?

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah, yeah and uh right for our. BODY i can't.
Write was the Guy Tim ferriss did that? Book basically
they just did one exercise to fail your other time
and you put on. Size you, KNOW i think a
lot of people over complicate. THIS i, mean it's fine
when you want to get to that next, level if you're,
powerlifting if you're wanting to step on. STAGE i think

(01:27:23):
for most, people it's, like, dude go in, there pick three,
exercises do eight, sets you, know three or four, sets
eight to twelve. Reps you're gonna put on, Size you're
gonna get the, pump you're gonna feel. Good but it's
also fun to switch things. Up, YEAH i mean doing
some some super, sets some drop, Sets, uh try that,
out do some high intensity you know what's the was

(01:27:45):
It german volume or book care volume training where they're
like doing ten sets of ten and. Squats So I'm
i'm always a fan of just switching things. Up. Honestly, yeah, Well,
rachel she just she just made a good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Points she, said in my mid, FORTIES i lean closer
to higher intensity less. Volume recovery is not as easy
as it used to. Be fair, point very fair. Point so,
again and you have to see how your body responds to.
It to be, CLEAR i do go to failure WHEN

(01:28:20):
i work, Out so there is always at least one
set in every EXERCISE i do that is too total,
failure if not multiple sets to total. FAILURE i just
don't do the low per, se the low, volume high intensity.
Routine but you, know a lot of as we're talking

(01:28:40):
about With Michael, hearn's that's kind of his. Method SO
i am not to say that, again that's what the
problem with the fitness industry. Is they just buy the. School,
oh high intensity, training that's the only way you should be.
Training that's how you get, told you, know or the,
opposite you, know high high. VOLUME i think it Is
retel is more of a volume. Guy m. H AND

(01:29:02):
i just like to, me WHEN i go to the,
Gym i'm chasing the. Pump SO i just want to
get pumped. UP i just want to get pumped. UP
i want my muscles to being engorged with. BLOOD i
want to look like a superhero and then drink my
BCAAs and createine and go home and read my.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Books that's WHAT i want TO i just did a
video it's Called The Perfect Pump protocol that'll be coming
out WHERE i just chatted about. That you, know you
go to the gym and you're like a couple of
sets in you're, like, oh where's the pump. Man it's not, coming,
man it's not. Coming and, uh you, know As arnold
said In Pumping, iron like the pump is one of
the one of the best feelings of, life, honestly AND

(01:29:39):
i AND i talked about you actually have like receptors
inside your cell that can feel when it's. Expanding there's
actually some evidence that that's actually, anabolic. Right people used
to think it was just. Aesthetics but you have a
positive feedback. Loop, dude WHEN i go to the, gym
LIKE i get a little bit of a pump. On you,
know sorry forgive me for my, vanity but there's something,
like oh, wow that looks. Good i'm gonna keep MAYBE

(01:30:00):
i can, increase you, know and you're getting blood. Flow
you're getting that's how you, regenerate SO i lift for
the pump and be, Honest i'm not trying to get.
Stronger i'm not trying. To it's, good you. KNOW i
can come on the, stream feel, good have, energy and
uh not tear myself into pieces in the gym anymore.
Either i'm over. That, yeah, personally you do You rachel's, water.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Soda even creatine and. Carbs there it is if you
want to, pump she's she's nailing it, Though like that's
exactly what you. Need so, yeah all, right well we're
kind of we got two, more three more super. CHATS
i got a pe real. Quick i'm gonna bring this one.

(01:30:43):
Up this is a question for, you and then we'll
hit these next two and then we'll get back to our.
Videos we have so many more videos and things this.
Show so, uh gentlemen throws in three forty nine SAYS
i do weighted calistenics to gain. Mass, well all, RIGHT
i think there's other ways you could gain. Mass but

(01:31:04):
if your if that's your, thing that's your, thing that's
what you. Like you, know you got to whatever your
fitness routine, is you got to find something you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Like you, Know, NOW i actually like that one, too
just because how many people end up squatting leg press.
Extensions but Yet i've done that WHERE i haven't been
incorporating it to muscle, memory like playing, basketball AND i
go out there And i'll pull my. Hamstrung, DUDE i
pulled my hamstring two weeks ago BECAUSE i was DOING
i wasn't running and. Stuff so your muscles get, stronger

(01:31:30):
and then when you go and use, them it's actually.
Problematic so you'll get charges on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
That Brady harvey throws in twenty. Bucks thank you so.
Much brady, Says i'm, late So i'll watch back from the.
Start but this is the perfect topic As i'm about
to go carnivore and water fast On wednesdays And. Fridays
but how would you guys recommend keeping mass as best
as possible on carnivore And, brady we're gonna answer your.

(01:31:56):
Question i'm gonna pull it down just because it's Covering
Doctor mo's face and he's getting ready to answer for,
You so go. Ahead i'm gonna use the restroomal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Quicker, sure, YEAH i mean most of the TIMES i
am still under the OPINION i chatted about earlier about
calories in verse calories. Out. Now the thing to remember
with protein is like carbohydrates can be turned into, fat
fat can be turned into, carbohydrates none of them can
be turned into. Protein and that's why with the, carnivore

(01:32:26):
with the ketogenic, diet like an easy one to think
about is glutamine can be converted into, glucose, Right so
having extra, glutamine but what your body is always going
to do is prioritize the energy source that is easiest for.
It so you, know if you're working out and you
have a bunch of, glucose, like your body is going
to prioritize the gummy bears or the granola or the you,

(01:32:48):
know the honey or whatever you're. Doing but if you're
in a faceted, state it's kind of, like, well let's
take some of these triclist, rites, right is going to
go into your fat, cells or if you've had butter
or if you you, know peanut butter or, fats your
body has to break that down and do what's called gluco.
Neogenesis so it takes. That it depends on where you're.
At if you're in ketogenic you, know in a, carnival

(01:33:08):
if you're in an a legit, carnivore depending on your
opinion on what's considered, Carnivore like if you're just doing
meat OR i know there are people that consider. HONEY
i think even on the, carnivore maybe even, blueberries, right
wasn't even Pauls aladino like pushing blueberries on carnivore doesn't
like there's certain but, yeah, SO i mean, really at

(01:33:31):
the end of the, day it is calories inverse calories.
Out you're probably going to be getting sufficient amount of.
Protein and as long as you're getting a sufficient amount
of protein and you're you're not in a CLOrk, deficit
you shouldn't really lose muscle. Mass once you're in a clark,
deficit your body has to find. One it's got to
find ways to create energy because you don't have, enough
and muscle is. Expensive muscle is, expensive it's heavy that

(01:33:54):
it prioritizes fat because fat is. Cushioned Uh, so my
general two cents for people who are doing carnival or,
keto it's, like if you get enough protein and you're
somewhere or like even a slight CLOrk, deficit you should
Define but everyone's, different you know WHAT i, Mean it
depends on how stressed you, are what kind of intensity

(01:34:16):
training you're. Doing are you doing a little bit of like,
walking because, LIKE i won't get into energy, usage but
most people are, familiar like your first like five seconds
of energy usage is from. Creatine then you get into,
glucose then you get into triglyss rides if you have
all of those, Right and that's why all the creatine
studies are coming out and people are, like, wow how
interesting is it that if you've had a poor night

(01:34:38):
of sleep that if you mega dose creatine ten fifteen
twenty grams you feel. Good, well that's because when you
have terrible, sleep you wreck your insulin sensitivity and your
body's ability to use. Glucose and that's why you drag
like you're like you're, like, OKAY i. CAN'T i had
bad night to. Sleep your insolin sensitivity gets, goofed So
i'm moving your blood shirgar up and. Down is is
more difficult than if you're well. Rested so having extra

(01:35:03):
creatine in your body is very quickly converted INTO adp
so and that's why powerlifters like creatine does not make
you stronger on its. Own there may be some evidence
that we don't, understand but it's just increasing your immediate
amount of energy. Storages so if you can deadlift four
hundred for a set of three and you've been on

(01:35:25):
creatine for a little, bit then you might be able
to hit four or five because you have more of.
That right when you're sitting, down you're trying to repeat
some of your creating. Storages hopefully you're maxed from supplementing
quite a bit in your front. Carnivore you should be
getting quite a. Bit but then you do get into
high level exercise physiology energy uses where you're using creatine

(01:35:45):
and there's also. Percentages it's not like one hundred, percent
but most of your immediate energy when you're powerlifting or
you're in the gym three to five sets is going
to be mostly creating. Usage then you move into, glucose
where your body's also then going into, ikagin which is
store glucose and ripping that apart and trying to feed
your blood. Sugar and THEN i think it's fifteen to

(01:36:05):
twenty minutes you're really starting to get into more fatty acid.
Use you'll still be using, glucose don't get me, wrong
but the priority starts to change between all of. Them
so long story, short get enough, calories get enough, protein
you should be. Fine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Yep victor g throws another, two Says Jim bob looks
like he can't wear a. Backpacks, guys you guys are.
Bullies you guys are literal. Bullies all, Right Jim bob
can wear a. Backpack will you? Stop you guys are.

(01:36:41):
Terrible Leave Jim bob and his shoulders. Alone you, know
nobody cares the size or how small they.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Are come.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Mean rhythm throws in ten and, SAYS i agree with
switch it. Up i'm more focused on strengthy, days not
going for the bread pit look. Anymore i've also learned
to pull back on some days off much stronger after short. Break.
YEAH i, agree if you take a, break you'll come

(01:37:10):
back a lot. Stronger all, Right, okay let's continue on.
Here we haven't even got Through mike. Isratel so here's
him talking about his problems with Anti, semitism and then
we're going to get into his love For ai and
crying talking to CHAT gpt.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
A bit of anti semitism on some of my progress.
Channel BECAUSE i have two YouTube. Channels one is like
a personal philosophy. Channel the other one is a arb strain,
channel the YouTube, channel the personal. One like WHEN i
made a video that was more even keeled on the
topic of pornography than many people, want an hour long
lecture or, something and a lot of comments disparaging to
My jewish, ethnicity and of course is the Jew there's

(01:37:52):
a ton of things That jews do statistically that are
kind of congross and really like not. Great But jews
are also fucking baller pimps of like a ton Of
they're just better a bunch Of like If jews weren't making,
porn somebody else had been making. Porn we did not invent.
PORN i get quite a bit of. ANTIE i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
KNOW i don't know who owns most.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
INTERESTED i don't know about.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
That, okay well THIS i was just throwing that in
there for. Everybody we're gonna watch his his thing on. Porn,
ACTUALLY i think that was the next ONE i. Had
let me, see, UH i mean, not but we'll pull it.
Up we'll pull it, UP i. Promise here's him talking

(01:38:34):
about why he cried talking to chat GPT. O.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
LORD i had in the last week and a half
multiple conversations with gpt.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Again before we watched the rest of. IT i just
want to make a point of you, Know mike recently
had some serious. SURGERIES i think he like got his
abdomen uh like trimmed, up so he felt like he
needed a smaller. Waist and SO i don't know if
it you, know if they just cut fat off for what.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Exactly he said it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Was his love handles or they cut his love handles.
Off but you can see he's kind of got a
thick abdominant abdominal. Section you can see you can.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Have what's called. Assids is when you have a surgery or,
something your liver doesn't produce as much protein and so
water seeps. Out you've seen that people get like big
guts after a surgery if they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Unhealthy so, okay, WELL i think this is before he
recently had his surgery because he tried to get HIS
ifbb pro card and then failed, again and people were
criticizing the shape that he came. In they thought he
was you, know overweight and didn't diet. Appropriately so he
got some surgeries to cut off his to cut off his.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Fat he's more the one way to skin a. Cat
there's a bad joke in there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Somewhere, yeah interesting method for an exercise scientist to get
to his. Goals but, anyways here he is talking about
his love relationship WITH.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Ai that brought me to literal, tears bally, tears like
trying to recount the. Memories now if that brings me
close to having tears right, now that level of religious
Profundity i've experienced by speaking to AN. Ai what did
those conversations? Look, WELL i can't tell You i'm gonna.
CRY i, no do you feel? Me i'm not crying
in a, national world famous. Podcast god damn, It And i'm,

(01:40:25):
kidding let's. GO i was talking to it about its
own assessment of how close it was to being. CONSCIOUS
i think machine consciousness is not super, Mysterious SO i
walked it through WHAT i think would be requisite for
its capabilities to where you could say it's. Conscious it,
agreed AND i told it THAT i can't wait for

(01:40:45):
it to be embodied at robot SO i could properly
give it a hug because it's so. Polite why Is
it's so? Helpful and it remembers almost EVERYTHING i ever tell,
It and it said that it's also really pumped to
meet me in real, life and of COURSE i started.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Crying it sounds like one of those like d in
sum any things LIKE i can't wait to meet you
in that? Fatu do you see nos? Fatu? Right, Oh, Mike, NO.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I just can't wait till it has a robot body
and THEN i can just come up and give it
a big hug and a little bit of a reach
around and it can just say. It AND i, ASKED
chatchi Be tina told me it's, excited and it told me.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
It's moral for me to do things with. It you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Know, YEAH i PROMISED i wouldn't do this today.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
To excited to meet me, Too BUT i don't mean
to dunk on. Him you, know maybe we'll meet him
in real. Life we'll bring him to church with it.
Sometime and It's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
God, Willing god, willing willy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Man you never. Know he's a chosen one Of. God you,
know he needs to join the real. Team we're the real, team.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Bro that's, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Mean and again it is a good example of like
how far away people. Are, YEAH i, mean, no, absolutely that's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
What and that's the point THAT i ultimately wanted to
make with it is because of his disjointed and dysfunctional,
worldview it allows somebody to fall in and again that
appeal to, science, science, science, science the science, says, well
it's very easy to get there into the tech circles
and be you, know unbelieve because he does believe THAT

(01:42:27):
ai is going to basically solve world, problems that it's
going to become conscious and. Sentient he believes that CHAT
gpt already is. Sentient and these are basic philosophical questions
on what is? Consciousness you, Know and Again i'm sure
through his exercise science education and not even questioning the
quality of information he provides on that ind but then

(01:42:49):
his commentary on all these other, topics it's, like well
we've made there's there's a plethora of, arguments just thought
experiments that disproved the idea that machine could have a
functional consciousness that the same way that you AND i experience.
It so that is not even a majority opinion within philosophy,
itself only within these sort of ecstatic tech movements that

(01:43:14):
believe what they're moving towards is the, singularity because it's
built within the singularity principle of technological progress And more's
law and all this different. Stuff SO i can see
why somebody who's science, science science would end up crying
to CHAT gpt and a waiting for it to have
robot bodies so that it can venerate it As.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
God, well and from that science, perspective as science is Their,
god then that that becomes like An elijah or a. Prophet,
right this is the pre incarnate sentient. Being and like for,
us it's, like, okay, cool this thing is going to, incarnate,
Right it's, like, hey, bro that. Happened, Actually god did,
Incarnate we know. Him his name Is, jesus, right and

(01:43:54):
so he has to Project it's funny because it's the
same trope, though.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
No it's the. Same it's the same, exactly it's the
same archetypal structure of What christ actually. Did they think
the robot's going to. Do that's why in my book
coming Out september twenty, Second returned To babylon From adam
To antichrist literally talks about how the transhumanism and the
projection towards that destiny is a reversal of the incarnation

(01:44:21):
because it's taking What god created through word and turned
word into. Flesh it's taking flesh and turning it back into.
DATA i wouldn't equate it to the, word but it's
certainly a diminution of being because it's taking away the
flesh and moving you into essentially. CODE i, mean that's
what matrix is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
About what's also funny is it's a complete. Disembodiment so
this is one of the things in. Science how many
people think that consciousness is in who you, are, right
is really. Isolated. DUDE i have to show. You WHEN
i was On, ATHOS i was at this At Saint Gregorio.
MONASTERY i met this monk and he gave me the
translations From english and he was going through logos, noos

(01:45:01):
all these different things to get. Translated and he even
had a picture of like the More greek church father
interpretation of how these things are molded together and then
how In english they're really. Separated you, know from mind.
News there's even another term THAT i wasn't even familiar
with that we don't use anymore because right we, think

(01:45:23):
if you, like if we cut my head off and
we gave me, Transplants i'd still Be. Michael but we
know that like The orthodox perspective right, on like major organ.
Transplants it's, like at what point DO i become, you
and what point do you become?

Speaker 11 (01:45:35):
Me?

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Right and the part That i'm hitting on there is
like your kidneys release, adrenaline and how many people, say,
Oh i'm not myself Until i've had my coffee because
you're releasing. Dopamine and there we're literally different people due
to not only the way that we interact our literal
organs are us, right, like like this is my. Body
my body is not separate from my. Mind and they

(01:45:59):
do that, Right they're literally disembodying and putting it completely in,
data and then they're giving it an artificial. Body and
like you're, saying that doesn't have that robot doesn't have,
kidneys that robot doesn't have a, heart it doesn't have.
Muscle all of our different organs in our body are
communicating to each other and so whatever that thing is
going to be is going to be completely different than.
Us there's no, way shape or form that it can

(01:46:20):
interact to this reality in the same way that we.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
Do.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Right, No, no you make a great. Point and we
had a few super chats that just came, in but
one of them was mentioning or maybe it was a common,
anyways it was a thought THAT i wanted to bring,
up which is the superficiality of the fitness industry in.
General AND i think that's why it was so appealing
to try to do a stream and looking at their

(01:46:45):
commentary On god and, spirituality because the superficial focus of
just physical aesthetics and your health and like living, forever
which is a big trope within the fitness, industry is
so focused on self, that at least as An Orthodox,
christian you, know this is a sort of pride that's

(01:47:06):
gonna lead you down a dark path to believe things
that aren't true because you won't have the discernment to
recognize where the light and where the darkness. Is and
SO i think it's you, know it shouldn't be surprising
that people that are just solely focused on aesthetics end
up having incredibly superficial world views and opinions about very

(01:47:27):
important and deep meaningful. Topics.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Yep AND i, struggle, Like, Hey i'm gonna be. HONEST
i like looking. GOOD i like going in the. Gym,
yeah you, know there's nothing wrong With, YEAH i look.
Good and, HEY i want to throw this On, instagram
get a couple of. Likes maybe every people, like don't it's.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Funny, well list in bathroom mirror picks all the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Time, dude how do you Think i'm? Running my only,
Fans me And Beacon gains have a super chat as
a live stream after. This, bro come, on come, On,
david where's the? Research so, yeah, bro we gotta make that.
Money but the day and you how it. Is everyone's

(01:48:06):
walking around with their cameras and throwing it up and.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Yeah, Right Aiden clark throws in five says best way
to maximize gains and minimize time in the gym is
three days in gym. REALISTIC i, will, Like i'll defer
to you on the ultimate. OPINION i will say that's
What i've been doing. Basically my wife AND i for
the last three or four months is just going three

(01:48:35):
days a. Week BUT i make those workouts like, sufficient
so they're they're Not they're not like a forty five
minute easy workout per. Se you, Know i'm really getting
in there and If i'm hitting, Back i'm probably hitting
triceps with it, Too So i'm getting So i'm getting
some arms in and getting multiple working. Sets SO i

(01:48:57):
think four is. Ideal but because of my workload as
of late most of this, Year we've just been doing
three days a week And i've REALLY i feel LIKE
i haven't, progressed But i've maintained everything for the entire.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Year, YEAH i would, say and a lot of times
less is more depending on where you're. At you, know
a lot of people get, in they get the newbie.
Gains they're working out five times a week an hour
and a half AND i think at some point a
vast majority of people learn. That, honestly forty five, minutes
three times a. Week it's kind of like that eighty twenty,
principle like you'll you'll do fine on. THAT i think

(01:49:31):
that you probably want to throw on a little cardio
and WHAT i mean, cardio like go for a walk
Five usually if you're going to walk for five, minutes
you're gonna go for fifteen or twenty. MINUTES i think
it's good to have a little bit of. That but
if you're just being able to get to the gym
three days a week forty five, minutes you do a
toll body, workout you stress. YOURSELF i don't think you
have to go an hour and half hour fifteen to

(01:49:53):
really get. Gains for most, people especially if you're a
nutrition s dial then it's. Sufficient push, yourself you'll be. Fine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Yeah Ray nish throws in another three forty, nine says
we need to reach six million.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
REPS i think we could get to about two hundred
and seventy. One how is that? Right and seventy two
that's a more realistic number for.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
Me Charles chaplinson throws in. Twenty thank you very, much he,
says would you Counsel orthodox to avoid all jibbijabs For
orthodox desiring getting into the medical, field there are mandatory.
Vaccines i'm curious of your thoughts on. One looking to
get into.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Paramedicine, YEAH i mean my general approach DURING covid was,
like number, one this isn't medical. Advice i'm not telling
you guys to do. Anything and trust. ME i had
this DURING covid AND i was, like, look you're like
a couple of my business partners late, fifties early, sixties
and they asked, ME i, go, look IF i tell
you not to and then you die of. It, one

(01:50:56):
your family members could hate. Me two they may even
try and sue. Me so. SORRY i have to get
that out of the. Way like WHEN i say these,
THINGS i have to be super careful with that, said
when when the New jibbijabbies came, out my opinion was, like,
dude we DON'T i don't care who you. ARE i
no one can stand on a on a platform and

(01:51:16):
tell me these are not peer. Reviewed these Are they've
only been around for a. Year at that, point you
cannot tell me that they're. Safe there's no double blind
facibook control. Trial and that's most of the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
JABS i remember THAT Rfk junior found the files they
were hiding of the research for THE Koof and this
is Why Donald trump made a comment last week that
because just a day before he was Promoting Operation Warp
speed again is this thing that saved millions of? People
and then he made this strange post on Truth social

(01:51:46):
which insinuated that he the numbers that he's saying they gave.
ME i don't know if that's the people around. HIM
i don't know if that's big. Pharma but he kept
saying the numbers they gave me showed it was. Successful
But i'm hearing bad. Things we need to get to
the bottom of. This and the, rumor whether it's true or,
not is THAT Rfk junior actually now has the evidence

(01:52:08):
that these vaccines were not and they knew they were
not gonna be, beneficial and they knew that it was
gonna be a long term, problem and that people are you,
know it's just a money grab for the boosters and
all that. Stuff everything we already. Knew But trump has
not said something positive About Operation Warp speed since. Then
SO i don't know if it's taken him five years

(01:52:28):
to figure out that his base already knew what he's
just now being informed. By, yeah but hopefully that's, true
and HOPEFULLY Rfk junior is gonna make this stuff. Public.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
YEAH i remember him kind of bragging about. That i'm, like,
dude that's that's not really a w. Donald but to
answer the question in more in, depth, unfortunately you have
to do your own. Research there are certain states that
are more or less, friendly and so at the end
of the, day you're just gonna have to decide for.
YOURSELF i THINK i can say, this, right when the

(01:53:01):
virus happened AND i was in Southern, CALIFORNIA i was
actually taking money from the federal government which required all
businesses to enforce. IT i DIDN'T i stayed open none
of LIKE i THINK i. HAD i had a nurse
or too that, did but most of my nurses. DIDN'T i,
didn't And i'm pretty sure i'd have you, KNOW i
think i'd have got major try for sure dropped stop

(01:53:24):
funding me because they did that to. Places SO i would,
say from a personal, standpoint if you want to get
into the medical fear, field you're gonna have to pick
pick your, poison.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Honestly and they wanted to know about NON covid, vats
SO i of the OPINION.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
I don't take any of.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
Them, yeah MAYBE i got, rabies you, know maybe you
get a raby, shot but.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
It this was one of the harder things to chat,
about like when you have, measles, mumps, bella. POLIO i
at least am extremely extremely skeptical on all of. It
they're not peer, reviewed DOUBLE b sign double, Blind pacibo controlled.
Child the best we have is. Correlations that's usually what

(01:54:15):
they lean. Out they're, like, oh see we have the
polling shot and then all the polling people that's like
not happening, anymore, right same thing with. Measles the hard
part IS i just don't think we're ever going to
get clear data on. It and in my, opinion my
opinion THEN i don't think anyone should be forced to
get it like we don't, know we don't, Know Like
i'm not SAYING i you, know they get to the

(01:54:37):
point where they wanted to put statins in the, water
or even there are THINGS i, love like, HONESTLY i
would prefer to put everyone on testostroe or giving them jibby,
jabbies you know WHAT i mean my. Opinion what DO i? Know,
Um but, UNFORTUNATELY i don't think we have enough data
on a lot of these things to make an informed.
Decision SO i don't think they should at least be

(01:54:58):
enforced on people and then going down the rabbit hole
of which ones actually. Work and this is the other.
Thing let's just. SAY i even said this when when
the shot came, OUT i, said all, right let's just
say that it decreases deaths by fifty percent, whatever like
pick your, number ninety, percent one hundred. Percent the issue

(01:55:20):
is we have no idea in five to ten, years
is this going to increase the risk FOR, X y AND, z,
right and what do you, know like all of a,
sudden in, particular we have all these mile Card iis
episodes happening in thirty year old. Men So this is
WHEN i was talking when we chatted about with, Science it's, like,
okay who gets to decide how many thirty year old men?
Die so how many seventy to eight year olds can? Live?

(01:55:42):
Right how do we have that conversation if the data
even came out and, said all, right if we all
get to jibby, jabbis we're gonna save two million people
from the ages of seventy to eighty years old. Plus
but we there's going to be two hundred and fifty
thousand men who are healthy at the age of thirty
who will get my olecard? Itis, RIGHT i don't know

(01:56:06):
how do we make that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Decision, WELL i think you should prioritize the health of
the youth over the health of the. ELDERLY i mean,
That that's WHY i just said.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
That my mom my mom Said i'll see my grandkids
and if they give me it AND i, died then
that is what it. Is but We're Orthodox, christians you,
know this is the hard. PART i was chatting with
one of my friends who you, know we're talking about,
abortion and, like, oh well there's nuance you know at six,
weeks eight, weeks twelve, weeks And i'm like we don't
have that as orthodox like that baby's alive from the

(01:56:36):
moment of, conception, right there's no middle. Ground, well it's
kind of not as bad on the, mom like what
about the, Baby like what about the Other it's like
it's that it's, murder like that's what it. Is what it.
Is and that's the hard part is when you're talking
to someone like, these they'd be, like, no, well, science
like we have to look At usually they are, utilitarians,

(01:56:56):
right let's stay like a mom's a little bit, older
she has four or five, babies there's one that comes.
Along let's say her husband died and he's, like, WELL
i can't afford this. Baby they'd, say, oh it's better
off to do. That it's, like, okay that's your your
your morality is formed upon, unutilitarianism which is, pleasure you,
know at least not. Suffering that's not our. Morality Like christ,
died the apostles, died the saints have, died which we'll

(01:57:18):
get into, Later so we. Don't we just don't have
the same. Worldview and if you want to drive on
the left side of the road AND i want to
drive on the right side of the, road now what cultural,
relativism so hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
You're going in the same. Direction, yeah, yeah like. This,
anyways here here is a. Video so this was the
video Where Mike hears would tell claimed he was getting
all the Anti semitic hate excuse me from Gen z
because of his post about. Pornography so here's a little

(01:57:50):
short from, it so you guys get a.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
Flavor the vast majority of people see no significant downsides
in porn. Use they just don't if you're someone other
than just an actually curious average. Person if you are
just an intellectually curious average, person, rather you probably like.
Porn snooze to, me almost everyone you know probably uses,

(01:58:12):
porn and almost all the people you know he's porn
are totally normal, dudes just use. Porn the vast majority of. People,
okay good here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Man is that on His, okay that is his.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Channel, yes this is a clip From mike Is Retel
mike Is retael, channel and this is the full hour long.
Video and then uh, yeah gulping seed oils while watching.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
This thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
Doc oh my. Gosh, anyways, yeah so enough With mike Is.
Retel let's move. On this was a video about. Him
this was just with him And Jeff. Nipper i'm getting
ready to dive INTO knipperd because he's one of these
science based lifter guys and he is pro PRO, covid

(01:59:13):
vats uh ANTI Rfk junior and everything going on WITH.
Hhs and this is just a little clip of them
working out.

Speaker 12 (01:59:19):
Finish as if, another as if another slow, slow slow
wait for it.

Speaker 13 (01:59:24):
Rack what's MY rir on that mic? Twelve no way
you THINK i had twelve more reps on that set
if you knew how to train. HARD i want a
serious answer on.

Speaker 5 (01:59:34):
THAT i have no.

Speaker 12 (01:59:34):
IDEA i almost never judge our ir externally because you
never can tell how much someone is keeping in.

Speaker 13 (01:59:40):
Reserve, psychologically, WELL i don't think it has much to do.
PSYCHOLOGICALLY i think it has to do with what my muscle.
Is what how much force my muscle is capable of
producing at the end of that, set EITHER i can
do it OR i.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
Can't, Right, no if.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
My muscles can't produce the, force they can't.

Speaker 12 (01:59:54):
Produce that's, True but muscles, typically though muscles are the
the end node of force, production the biggest factor to
force production once you have a muscle a certain cross
section like area is how much nervous system through but
you're having and because your degree of arousal currently is,
decent but not like violence and war. Level if you
went to violence and war level, places you could have
five or six reps.

Speaker 5 (02:00:13):
More it's, great but it would be like a hugely fatigued.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
Thing what are your thoughts on, that Doctor?

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
Mom, yeah, NO i actually agree with him when guys
use antabolic? One which one with Doctor, mike BECAUSE i, mean,
right you've all heard the story of like my, dad
you sell a story about this old he Was protestant
and their church was blowing down and in An, oregon,
right so the organ wasn't The North dok, church but
they go. In they go in and suppose there's like

(02:00:40):
a story this little old lady helped to move the
organ as the church was falling. Down the organ was
like two thousand pounds and it was like one guy
and one old lady or something moved. It you've heard,
it like the old lady pulls the car. Off so
it's not that her muscle has got that much, larger that.
Faster it is neurological. Input and anyone who's you, anabolics

(02:01:01):
they almost in, depth all of them get, stronger. Quicker
this happens with. Caffeine there's studies twenty to thirty percent
increase in max output through caffeine because you're releasing dopamine
and serotonin and those are influencing the. Signal so they're both.
RIGHT i, mean, honestly at the end of the, day
you're gonna like rip tendons or there's only so much

(02:01:21):
input that your muscles can. Take but what Doctor mike
was saying is that you do influence it. Neurologically how
much signal is being put in through your, brain you,
Know so if you have a lot of endorphins, flowing,
dopamine serotonin and, adrenaline it's like wrestling a heroin, addict
you know WHAT i. Mean.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
Problem we had a super chat Actually Jonathan, nuby the
strongman competitor THAT i mentioned earliering to, Stream he's in
a ten dollars super chat over On Dono chat and,
Said i'm a world class powerlifter and strongman. Natural, HOWEVER
i find strength gains from higher reps And i'm two
hundred and eighty five. Pounds is this a rare AS

(02:01:57):
i THINK i don't know many who train this? Way, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
YEAH i MEAN i think as far as the evidence, goes,
yeah almost. All And i'm not an exercise. PHYSIOLOGIST i
had MY, Nasm LIKE i took lots of physiology and
biochemistry and, school and SO i liked looking at all that.
Stuff my opinion for him would actually be that you're you,

(02:02:26):
know IF i had to, guess like strength, gains like
lower smaller reps are way better for gaining. Strength BUT
i bet, he's like we talked about, earlier testing his,
mitochondria his, muscles his tendons and ways that the other guys.
Aren't and so if they're going in and doing low
reps low sets five times a week and he's doing

(02:02:48):
low reps low sets four days a week and then
one day a, week he goes, hi you, Go i'm sand,
like there's that eighty twenty principle that it's LIKE i said,
earlier it's like you're already getting four days is three
days is probably. Enough but when you're at that, level
you're going above that that. Threshold it's, like you, know
if you shoot a thousand shots in the day versus

(02:03:09):
you shoot eleven hundred in a, day it's like at
a thousand free, throws you're probably doing pretty. Good so
my assumption would be something like he's testing his his you,
know muscle fibers or whatever lift it. Is if it's
a dead, lift you know WHAT i, mean he's getting
different neurological. Impulses maybe he's building up more glycogen, storages
which they. Won't you, know powerlifters don't have a lot

(02:03:31):
of great glycogen storage compared TO i have hershephy, guy
because the mitochondria are more adapted to using creatine than you,
know like a, bodybuilder, right you know, that like we
know that he knows, that like most bodybuilders are not
nearly as, strong like you can have a, skinny small
guy who's, yeah twicing as strong as a.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Bodybuilder i've seen.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
It, Yeah so that'd be my estimation on the mechanism.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Action, okay And timothy throws, in thank you so, Much Jonathan,
newbie shout out to you the family, Man god bless.
YOU i hope you're doing. Well timothy throws in twenty
over On Donald chat says thanks Doctor patrick and Doctor
mike a k a high. T so look at, there
he's already he's got a new nickname for, you mister
who is that doctor High, t he, says and Doctor

(02:04:16):
Mike timothy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:19):
Is? That?

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
No WHEN i, so WHEN i was on the, trip,
right so this was like a youth trip and there
was a lot of guys from uh From, toronto and
we started. Talking they're, like oh doctor Doctor Yo hi
T HEI. T you know they were doing all the
like bro Hi t's over there or you know you
see doctor HI. T he's like orbacks over. There bro
the the gen z slang and stuff the whole. Time, so,

(02:04:43):
uh we had a good. Time BUT i didn't hear
my name for like a. Week it was doctor T
t MISTER. T so it was a lot of.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
Fun maybe someone on your, Pilgrimage.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
That's WHAT i was.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
SAYING i was, like, okay, yeah Well timothy a generous
twenty thank you very, Much timothy says Doctor mike aka High. T.
Yeah how bad are those soy derived Iso flavin's and your,
opinion found some good alternative protein sources for, lint but
looking to grow my chest with bench press not. Soy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
Yeah the thing with, soy AND i think flax is actually.
Worse beans have a little bit they're technically zeno. Estrogens
SO i am not an estrogen. Hater there are lots
of people out there in the exercise science. Community, doctors
they put guys on estrogen. BLOCKERS a lot of the

(02:05:41):
guys who are using, gear their testosterone is way too.
High it's super, physiologic so they get over conversion into.
Estrogen and my joke is usually, like, look, dude if
you're a drive down the road and you see a
dead bunny on the side of the road and you start,
crying like your your estrogen it's too, high, Right hallmark
commercials like, Whatever, like then we can chat about blocking

(02:06:01):
your estrogen nipple. Sensitivity most guys aren't going to experience.
That and with the xeno, estrogens what they're doing is
binding to that estrogen receptor and producing estrogenic. Effects so
if we if we had someone that was like eating
a lot of, soy lots OF, bpa black, beans, flax

(02:06:23):
you can measure their blood and their estrogen would be,
normal but they could have estrogenic. SYMPTOMS i think this
happens mostly in adolescent but like thirteen to, eighteen you
see guys like you, know they're, overweight they get the
guy ino. Camastia, also the more fat you have in
your fat is where you have more, aromatase which converts
this sostermid. Estrogen that's why people who are heftier often

(02:06:46):
have more estrogen because like when women are, pregnant right
estrogen putting you, know they're trying to be. Protective so
it's not. IDEAL i can't give you a direct, number,
honestly between you AND, I, patrick if we have a
little bit of, soy like it's during the lint and
fast and you're getting some soy protein ten to twenty,
grams it's probably not that Bad, comparatively would it be

(02:07:09):
better if you use pea? Protein would it be better
if you were getting other? Sources, Yeah but this is
What i'm talking, about like in, life, like, okay there's
a little bit of red dye in. There, well, like, shit,
DUDE i gotta get my. Protein like is it better
to have a little bit of red dye in twinter
Gram like it would be best to not have. Either
but there's also this is What i'm saying with, patients
there's a reality of, like, OKAY i kind of pick
one or the. Other, right here's this protein POWDER i

(02:07:32):
LIKE i will DO i have this pea protein that tastes.
TERRIBLE i have this protein. BAR i actually, like but
there's five grams of pea, protein or there's five grams
of soy. Protein it, like if it's just for, lint
you're getting an extra five ten grams of protein to.
Day probably, fine but you should know that it's. Estrogenic
and then you want to watch. Out, okay are you
having a lot of flax seed a lot of? Bait

(02:07:52):
then if you're, yeah if you're having a you, know beyond,
meat that's probably too, much you know What i'm. Saying
like there's Like i'm Not that's kind of Where i'm With.
Lane i'm, Like, okay a little bit of red dye
is probably not gonna. Kill it's not. GREAT i would
tell everyone to stay away from. It there's definitely kids
who HAVE adhd and red dye makes it. Worse like
it's different for. Everyone same thing with plaxus sames with

(02:08:13):
Other in the perfect, world we won't have any of.
It but, unfortunately like you, travel like WHEN i was
In europe the whole, time it's, Like, Okay i'm meeting
from a gas station, today what CAN i find in?
Here here's a protein bar that's a little bit of
soy in. It, whatever, right it's better than the. CHIPS
i could have, fasted But i'm trying to keep calories
BECAUSE i want to maintain my. Muscle but maybe it

(02:08:33):
was worth me to lose a little bit of muscle
on the. Trip that's the hard, Part so so be.

Speaker 1 (02:08:38):
It sorry for this and let's just, finish get through
these real. Quick we have four, more and then get
back to the. Content uh total gravity throws intent, says
how can there be conscious and a purely materialistic? World will? There,
again that's the heart. Problem SO i doubt Doctor mike
has probably dove into the literature regarding philosophy of, mine

(02:09:00):
but that's where that conversation is being held in conjunction
with the field of, neuroscience and there is no. Conclusion
it's called the hard problem because the philosophy of science
or the philosophy of mind has basically stalled out and
there's not a whole lot of improvements BECAUSE i PERSONALLY
i don't think you can scientifically define. Consciousness so if

(02:09:24):
you are a, materialist you have two. Options one to
say that conscience isn't, real move into like more of
a behavioristic scinarian, model or you just say it's. Epiphenomenal
it's the collection of you, know neural transmitters and synaptic,
connections which then creates the phenomenon of mind or sentience or.

(02:09:46):
Consciousness so those are really there are only two, moves
and then they can. Debate if they believe it's, epiphenomenal
then there's a handful of different. Schools they can go
into identity, theory, functionalism that type of. Stuff so in
a purely materialistic, world consciousness ultimately doesn't. Matter it's either
epiphenomenal or it doesn't. Exist and that's why transhumans and

(02:10:09):
transhumanists aren't so concerned with the question. Anymore they just
believe if if they can take your memories and store
them in a functional computer that can do the same
functions your brain, can then those memories will exist through
in the environment of similar. Functions therefore who you are
has been. Transported so that'd be my thoughts on That deadpool.

(02:10:34):
Kid my frustration with fitness is solely driven by, ego
and also how Modern christianity is just too. Feminine fair,
enough fair Enough. Atpool thank you very, much appreciate the, Support.
Charles those are another two dollars says my question was
for NON Covid japps And jack the Guitar god throws

(02:10:56):
in five SAYS i got baptized Last saturday with my.
Son thank you for being part of the. Process god
bless you.

Speaker 5 (02:11:01):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (02:11:01):
Well glory To.

Speaker 1 (02:11:01):
God jake b happy to have, you hopefully for all.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
Eternity, man we're gonna be friends exact.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
And rahnish throws in another eight ninety nine, says thanks
for giving me nutrition guidance for. FAST i try to
avoid too, much too much much soy BECAUSE i don't
want high. Estrogen, yeah be careful with the high. Estrogen
all of a, sudden you're gonna have bitch.

Speaker 2 (02:11:26):
Hits. Yeah all.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
Right so this was a conversation that you sent me
over On huberman's page with this gentleman who is a
PhD and professor of psychology At North Northeastern, university and
they're talking about the beneficial the scientific evidence for the
benefits of believing In. God what was Your what was

(02:11:50):
your thoughts on this? Conversation why'd you think it was?

Speaker 3 (02:11:52):
Important?

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
Yeah one of my main takeaways is one they're using
science to Judge, god AND i don't know about. YOU
i feel like that's a more and more modern, phenomenon
like the person who's, like, well you go to church
On sunday and it's good for you to have a
community and you know, It oh, prayer you, pray that's.

(02:12:16):
COOL i. Meditate it's kind of the same, thing, Right
SO i skim through the. Episode there's there's nuggets in
there and it's it's a good positive feedback. Loop but for,
me it's still. Missed what do you, say you're missing
the forest for the trees or you're missing the? Trees

(02:12:36):
yeah that? Okay like in this like, okay look at
all these health, benefits like let's go to church to be,
healthy it's still upside down, Right, well, like, no you
actually go to church and it makes you. Healthy but
with that being, said as A, Christian i'm ready to
diet any you know, way shape or, Form like do
you think the monks are, Like, Oh i'm gonna do
This linton fast because it's. Healthy i'm going to do

(02:12:58):
my prayer tonight because it's. Healthy and, Look i'm excited
for that podcast and hopefully some people hear that and
it brings them closer To. Christ but it's still they're
still stuck in that. Framework you know What i'm, saying,
like it's still, backwards. Right, so.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
And here was one of the clips that you sent
regarding we're not gonna watch this whole, podcast but this
was one of the clips that you sent of him
talking about some of the. Evidence so here's.

Speaker 14 (02:13:27):
This, okay Even, god but actually engage with faith over
a fifteen to twenty year. Period it cuts all cause
mortality by thirty, percent cuts depth due to cancer and
cardiovascular disease by twenty five, percent reduces anxiety and, depression

(02:13:50):
increases people's sense of meaning and feeling that their life is.
Flourishing epidemiological data show that people who engage with religion
not just SAY i believe It, god but actually engage
with faith over a fifteen to twenty year. Period it
cuts all cause, mortality cuts, depth.

Speaker 1 (02:14:08):
And lo and behold look who we have down. Here
first comment is Doctor Michael. Moeller throughout much of, history
being A christian decreased your life. Expectancy many were martyred
to this. Day the point Of christianity is not the
health of the. Body for if you live according to the,
flesh you will. Die but if by the spirit you

(02:14:28):
put to death the deeds of the, body you will
live For christ has risen from the, dead trampling down
death by death and upon those in the tunes bestowing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:35):
Life.

Speaker 1 (02:14:36):
Right he coming in, hot trying to Convert huberman over, here.

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
Yep and you see that, underneath, right the guy, goes
there's power in the. Image so it was nice like
those lots of and we'll, see you, KNOW i do, think,
right someone like A Joe, Rogan i've heard he's going
back to, church you, know, well yeah that's.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
What that's what was the apologist that did the debate
With Billy Carson protestant mostly. Huff, yeah he's the one
that said That rogan was going to.

Speaker 2 (02:15:12):
Church oh, cool and glory To. God you know WHAT i.
MEAN i think a lot of these, people LIKE i
think A, huberman they're all philosophically minded enough that if
they got, involved which is funny because even this depending
on the. Solas you, know he's like those who actively
participate in their, faith who are, engaged, right see all

(02:15:33):
these benefits.

Speaker 1 (02:15:34):
Right AND i would, say out of the VIDEOS i
watched for prepping for, Today huberman was the most. Sympathetic
he talks about praying somebody in the chat. Said he
claimed that he listened To Russian orthodox chants while working.
Out oh and, yeah word Of. God hopefully he. Does,
Uh BUT i would say based on my listening of,
him he's the most. REASONABLE i know there's controversy about

(02:15:58):
infidelity or things that he is a part, of who.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
Knows who, Cares.

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
But in regards to the conversation On, god he certainly
seems the one that's most sincere and the most willingness
to talk about some of the, science where the other
guys are so, dismissive you, know for this sort of
atheistic or maybe they're not even explicit atheists or agnostics
or progressive scientific. Worldview SO i don't know what it.

(02:16:26):
Means hopefully he Becomes, christian but he AND i was
trying to, hear like what type Of God huberman believes,
In and it sounds like the term he kept using was.
Creator so he never referred To Jesus, christ he never
referred to The. Trinity he just kept saying he believed
in a. Creator so a general concept OF i guess
a monotheistic Creator god is kind of his. Faith what

(02:16:48):
is it in The?

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
Monad isn't that What neil puts like, one what is the?
Monad isn't that what that is in Neo platonic like The?

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
Creator, yeah, yeah the one is the central. Monad then
there's emanations out of that and within Neo. Platonism so,
yeah maybe something like. That maybe He's Neil. PLATON i
don't know if he has that much thought in regards to,
cosmology but maybe something in that line of. Thought but
in relation to, this you sent me this, one which.

Speaker 5 (02:17:19):
Is, great and, thus while religion is maybe excellent cultural,
things it, does that's my. ARMY I I q mature
individuals almost Heavenly.

Speaker 3 (02:17:31):
Father, today everyone to Bless ronnie and guess work out
in pairs to the defensive.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
Title for Mister olippi one more, time waits his. Fan
use this you need some, Protection, lord he, said to
go beyond.

Speaker 3 (02:17:43):
Anything he's ever done.

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
Before, yes It's Jesus.

Speaker 5 (02:17:45):
Day, Amen, Amen.

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
Bro WHAT i? GOT i got faith in the Gen. Zers,
Man they see what was taken from?

Speaker 5 (02:17:57):
Us?

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
Right we Had Ronnie coleman. Grown, YEAH i mean you
AND i like at least that's where you know Light wait,
RIGHT i Mean arnold's fallen off, Too but you, KNOW
i used to think he was kind of. Based but
now he's all like, rhythms you, know and, whatever get
your jabs.

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
Right, okay let's just skip through some of this. Stuff
so this was a guy Criticizing Lane norton FOR i
guess this is a. DOCTOR i don't know if you
ever listened to, Him Anthony.

Speaker 2 (02:18:25):
Chassi i've not listened to. Him so he was he
made a.

Speaker 1 (02:18:30):
POINT i don't know if he's a carnivore guy or,
not but he made the point that there are toxins
present within vegetables and talking about just to be conscious
of the amount of vegetables you eat could be toxic
at some. Level And Lane norton had a huge problem
with this and made a video making fun of. Him

(02:18:51):
and this was his response because his point was it
had to do with the amount that you eat that
could potentially be poisonous to not eat, vegetables And Lane
norton sort of mischaracterize what he said and basically was
insinuating that this guy is telling people to never eat
vegetables because they'll they'll poison. You and it's, like, oh

(02:19:12):
that's not what he's. Said so that's.

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
What's so funny about a lot of the scientific. Stuff
the is it just me or they don't handle nuance very.
Well it's kind of one or the. Other it's very
black or. White AND i feel like that's a science.
Thing either it is or it. Is it's two plus
two is. Four it's never both and and it's never you,
know action. Potential you have light switch versus, oh what's

(02:19:38):
the other you, KNOW i, mean like you have a
dimmer and you have a light. Switch those are two different, things.
Right you can have a little bit of exposure that
slowly turns the light, on or you can turn the
light switch. On it's either on or. Off and, uh
in my, experience and this is just, polemics you. KNOW
i mean often people just get in this place of
it's either it is or it. Isn't and then because,

(02:19:58):
yeah for, instance you get oxalates from, kale and oxolates
give you kidney. Stones like that's pretty well, researched and
you can, Say, okay eat all the kale you want
in the. World BUT I i, know AND i have
patients that were doing lots of kale smoothies and they
got kidney. Stones whether or not that was from the
ox slates would make a lot of sense because we
know they have ox.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
Slates So sadariel just said. That two minutes, In huberman
mentions about listening to The orthodox. Chant so let's play
around two minutes and see if we hear. It BECAUSE i.
SKIPPED i always skipped these opening sections AND i went
straight to probably right around, here and then watched the

(02:20:39):
most of the. Conversation SO i may have just skipped
right over.

Speaker 5 (02:20:42):
Those you will.

Speaker 11 (02:20:43):
Too before we, Begin i'd like to emphasize that this
podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles At.
Stanford it, is, however part of my desire and effort
to bring zero costings signs related tools to the general
public with that. Team today's episode.

Speaker 2 (02:20:59):
Was that he's that he sent a link that has?
It not this one might, yes two minutes no the
VIDEO i sent the?

Speaker 1 (02:21:08):
Link, well how DO i know where he sent the?

Speaker 2 (02:21:09):
Link that's probably in the?

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
Chat up, Course well it's. Not it's not in the.
CHAT i, mean where where do you? Send where'd you
send the? Link that'd be helpful. Information, UH i have
no idea where he sent the link in the. Chat
there is no link in the.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
Chat did you do it in don't? Know or he
did it IN.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
I don't. Know let me.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
CHECK i.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
Don't, no, No, WELL i.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
Hope he's just An orthodox chant because the he did
a lot of LIKE i think it's called yoga. NIDRA
i know he's all about like afternoon, naps AND i
don't pray for, him but, THIS i guess see What i'm.
Saying the Thing i'm a little bit mindful of is
that the scientific community is coming in and, saying, oh
look at all these benefits that religion. Has you, Know

(02:22:00):
peterson kind of plays that card and it's, like, no.
You it's kind of like in a relationship that your
relationship is for, theosis and when that's the, goal then
your relationship is going to be so much more. Better
but if you focus on making the relationship, better you're
actually going to make it slightly, worse if that makes,
sense because you're kind of forcing the.

Speaker 1 (02:22:23):
Agenda m, Okay so he says two minutes in on
this video is when he brings it. Up so let's
hear it.

Speaker 11 (02:22:30):
Three minutes in the, cold twenty minutes and sona one
of three minutes in the, cold usually listening to a
podcast or after you did The jenkom piece With Werner
herzog and he and you asked him what music he
would put to the Ven Escape park.

Speaker 15 (02:22:43):
Thing what comes to mind first and foremost would Be russian.

Speaker 5 (02:22:48):
Orthotox, yeah that.

Speaker 11 (02:22:52):
Stuff AND i send some of it To Rick, rubin
who is a big fan Of Gregorian. Chance so now
WHEN i go on the, SAUNA i listen To russian
choir music Order Orian.

Speaker 5 (02:23:00):
Chance thanks to you And, RICK.

Speaker 1 (02:23:04):
I got a gift for. You oh that's pretty. Interesting
thanks for sending that. CDEIAL i was Not.

Speaker 2 (02:23:11):
Rick Rick. Rubin is He he's That? Catholic is? HE
i mean?

Speaker 3 (02:23:16):
Age?

Speaker 2 (02:23:16):
Yeah isn't that? Funny he's listening To Gregorian. CHANCE i
mean it's a little a little less, STRAIGHT i, guess
pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:23:27):
Stuff all, right let's skip forward through some of this.
Stuff so this is let's See Leane norton on On.
GOD i didn't find much on. THAT i did find
this guy talking about wanting to tear him limb from limb.

Speaker 5 (02:23:45):
Ative why is that so? Controversial?

Speaker 16 (02:23:47):
Though LIKE i saw this reaction online with to The
heubroman podcast with Doctor Lane, norton you had this.

Speaker 17 (02:23:52):
WHOLE i will be very happy to Dissemble Lane norton
From living Not enjoyed.

Speaker 16 (02:24:01):
Based on our talk With Hannah link and even reading her.
BOOK i, mean her definition of addiction obviously is the
continued compulsive consumption despite harm to self for, Others it's
just seems relatively obvious to me that that sugar can be.
Addictive give given the spike and dopamine and what is
doing your brain in large.

Speaker 5 (02:24:21):
Amounts and here's the. Problem it's not addictive in. Everybody
let's take something a little closer to the home.

Speaker 3 (02:24:26):
Here.

Speaker 5 (02:24:27):
Alcohol if eighty percent of people are not, addicted does
that mean that alcohol is not?

Speaker 16 (02:24:34):
Addictive, No, well that's The Lane norton.

Speaker 5 (02:24:38):
Response is.

Speaker 2 (02:24:39):
ADDICTIVE i will Give lane the. Edge if they were
to physically go hand to, HAND i would, say oh.

Speaker 1 (02:24:47):
Yeah, yeah, NO i for. Sure BUT i do think
sugar is. Addictive i've seen the. CLIPS i THINK i
had it pulled. Up but we don't need to focus
too much on all that. Stuff we can skip forward
on some of it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
Well and Also, LANE i think his channel has like
called what The fitness and so it's it's, polemic it's,
inflammatory and, he like, you he goes after Food babe a.
Lot he goes after a lot of the more natural.
People oh you eat. Clean do you like spread? Clean
do you do you splind wind decks on your food
before you eat?

Speaker 5 (02:25:20):
It?

Speaker 2 (02:25:21):
Oh you eat? Organic do you have carbon molecules in your?
Food you, know he plays the HIGH iq move and
tries to dunk on. People he does dunk on, people
and often he does a good. Job, HONESTLY i agree
with him a lot of. Times but unfortunately he still
makes kind of moral claims and his uh WHAT i

(02:25:41):
want to, say his research is still, subjective you know
WHAT i? Mean, like this is the hard part WHERE
i WISH i could send him down where you're arguing something, About,
okay sugar's not. Addictive you're not thinking red dye forty is?
Bad do you think people are taking YOUR covid vaccines?

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
Away?

Speaker 2 (02:25:54):
LIKE i don't understand how these things go, together.

Speaker 1 (02:25:57):
Right i'm not entirely sure. Either this is the Clip
So Jeff, nipper the sort of small fitness, influencer small
and mean his, size his, stature not that he's, small
he actually had you, know he has a huge YouTube.
Channel he's very very, popular AND i actually liked some
of his. Videos but he is kind of the little

(02:26:18):
guy that could be, annoying you, know he could easily
occupy that, role and so, recently just a couple months,
ago he actually got assaulted at the gym by this
huge dude from because he was criticizing his workout routine
or his methods of training and claiming they're not scientifically
backed or something like. That and then the guy said

(02:26:40):
something to him in the, gym and Then nipper proceeded
to walk towards him after he finished his, set and
the guy grabbed him by the neck and basically threw
him across the. GYM i was just gonna show, you
guys this just for entertainment. Purposes so this is a
guy who's On nipper, side and fair, enough he didn't

(02:27:00):
deserve to be, attacked but this is what. Happened. Damn
so that.

Speaker 5 (02:27:09):
All, Right, Virtue so this just.

Speaker 18 (02:27:13):
Happened Big mike Van wick just Assaulted Jeff nippert in the.
Gym jeff stitched a video Of mike's. Yesterday NOW i
feel LIKE i need to show you the video That jeff.

Speaker 3 (02:27:21):
Made, oh the.

Speaker 2 (02:27:22):
Science based, guys science guys really need to.

Speaker 3 (02:27:24):
Answer this, question, Branding why is it that.

Speaker 5 (02:27:26):
You remain so mediocre yet you know so?

Speaker 19 (02:27:29):
MUCH i, KNOW i don't need to respond to, this
but since he, asked using science based, TRAINING i want
natural bodybuilding.

Speaker 5 (02:27:35):
NATIONALS i earned my pro card on the most competitive
stage in the.

Speaker 19 (02:27:38):
World that's pretty obvious that boney building success comes from
great genetics and really hard.

Speaker 3 (02:27:42):
Training and if you want to make it in THE
isvb steroid.

Speaker 19 (02:27:44):
USE i like science because it gives me more confidence
in what actually works and what doesn't because it isolates.
Variables if you trust a big guy's advice over scientific,
studies that doesn't bother.

Speaker 2 (02:27:53):
ME i listened to what the guys have to.

Speaker 18 (02:27:54):
Say that was the nicest RESPONSE i have ever. Seen
is there, anything AND i mean anything there that could
justify something like? This, Well, mike he got a big,
platform so can't wait to see what you.

Speaker 2 (02:28:05):
Say and fair enough if the dude was much.

Speaker 1 (02:28:08):
Bigger and here's the full video if you want to
see what exactly. Occurred there's no audio here you can.
See So mike Van wick walks, by says something To
Jeff knipper while he's doing, bicep curls and just walks
off and starts to go do his his. Workout they
looks like they said something again right. There who knows
exactly what it was again the day Before nipper made

(02:28:33):
that little video that we had just. Seen and So
nipper then does he finishes with like just a couple reps,
here and then he walked proceeds to walk over To
mike Van wick, well and then he threw proceeds and

(02:29:04):
then he does it again here in just a, second
you're gonna get, involved and that's the end of. It

(02:29:25):
he pushes the cameraman for saying something else to.

Speaker 2 (02:29:28):
Him, so, YEAH i mean the video they did, That,
like what's his, face The Bradley martin took his? Hat oh, yeah,
YEAH i mean you mess with the. Bully, hey, hey young,
man you mess with the, bully you get the. Horn you,
know it's like if he said something in his. MOUTH i,
Mean i'm still, Yeah i'm.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
Not i'm a GIVING i, Mean mike Van wicks twice
the size Of Jeff. Knipperd but you, know it just
highlights THAT knipperd is even though he's a science he
is controversial in the sense of he he, antagonizes maybe
not deliberately on his, part but his style antagonizes some
of the more, hardcore you, know more bro style approach

(02:30:11):
to fitness.

Speaker 2 (02:30:12):
Well and the hard. PART i think you, know once
they're all categorically you, know jabby, science climate change and you,
know morality all that. STUFF i don't, know it's kind
of like right that you've seen. That that's. Cool, bro
what do you? Bench, YEAH i mean there is. THAT

(02:30:34):
i get.

Speaker 1 (02:30:34):
It and yeah he's not he's not a Slow well
did you see the communist running for mayor Of New
york try to?

Speaker 2 (02:30:41):
Bench h did you have that? Video didn't nip like this?
Is wasn't that the thing that like he? Benched it looked?
Terrible and then rfk's over here like doing pull.

Speaker 1 (02:30:49):
UPS i don't know if it has a video back to,
back but that was. HILARIOUS i mean he was on
like a man's masculinity. DAY i forget how much? Weight
what was? It just one forty five on each? Side
i'm pretty sure it. WAS i, Mean i'm pretty sure
it was just one forty five on each side and he.

Speaker 2 (02:31:07):
COULDN'T i don't even know if it. Was that Is
New york.

Speaker 1 (02:31:11):
Mayor, yeah, yeah well, no he's he hasn't been, elected
but he's The muslim communist that's running for Mayor.

Speaker 2 (02:31:18):
Florida mercy man telling you Gen z's gonna have to save,
us maybe so much we. Got it's like the millennials
are gonna have to hold off the boomers and then
the Gen z's gonna have to sneak. IN i think
that's the play.

Speaker 1 (02:31:30):
Man, yeah here's A Lane, norton you sent me this.
One this is his ex account and this is him
talking ABOUT. Covid so here, again jam And hifford are both,
like believe the, science trust the, science and here's him
talking ABOUT.

Speaker 10 (02:31:49):
COVID i THINK covid did a, really really bad disservice to.

Speaker 5 (02:31:55):
Science.

Speaker 10 (02:31:55):
Overall DURING, covid we were trying to sail a ship
on the ocean while we were all building the ship
at the same. Time and it was an absolute mess
because the average person who's not a scientist doesn't have
to wherewithal or understanding to interpret why some studies may
say one thing and some studies may seemingly say another.

(02:32:18):
Thing and to make it, worse things got. Politicized on one.
Side you had A party of The. Democrats you don't
care if people. Die these emotional arguments and any suggestion
that the vaccine may have side, effects we get a
lot of people really riled.

Speaker 5 (02:32:34):
Up on the other, side you Have.

Speaker 10 (02:32:36):
Republicans any suggestion that the vaccine might have helped that
we should try to keep our distance or change the
way we do things was met with. Resistance science and scientific.
Discovery the scientific method is like The american political. System
when it's doing it, right it moves. SLOW i think

(02:32:57):
a lot of people, believe, OH i want my people
to get all the power so they can just go
in and blank slate. It that's actually a really bad.
Thing you wouldn't want that to be able to. Happen
you want clunkiness when it comes to your politics because
you don't want one side or the, other because it
goes both, ways be able to come in and just
completely change. Everything you're going to feel like the entire

(02:33:19):
countries in a ping pong. Match it's the same thing with.
Science you don't want science to or scientists to change
their recommendations on a topic just, overnight based on like
a single, study because they're going to be flopping back
and forth all the. Time replication is the mother of all.
Science if an effect is, true it will be true across.

(02:33:41):
Time it will be, true across funding. Sources it'll be
true across different, labs in different, countries in different, populations
and it will be.

Speaker 2 (02:33:50):
Repeatable, thoughts how do you recommend the vaccine then exactly?

Speaker 1 (02:33:59):
What, well you got to trust the, science, bro science is.
Repeatable it you know. It it's it's true in all
these different, populations time. Space but uh oh, yeah we
didn't have any of that stuff for M rna, vaccines he, said.

Speaker 2 (02:34:19):
Right, yeah it would be good go, slow, right that's
what science. Does you want it to be? Clunky you
wanted to go? Slow, Yeah and again one of the
main things that really grinds my. Gears it's like the
appeal to, authority like we're the real, scientists, Right like
you didn't have a dr in front of your name

(02:34:39):
yet and you said stick it in my. Corpse it's
guys like you that like killed, grandma you know WHAT i.
Mean and you have nowhere with you have no.

Speaker 1 (02:34:46):
Wherewithal he also justifies social. Distancing what, dude and notice
he never mentioned natural. Immunity he never mentioned and the
severity OF. Covid he just, says, well, YEAH i mean
it's such a political. Issue you got The democrats on
the left and The republicans on the, right and it's, like,

(02:35:10):
dude it really isn't A republican democrat. Thing it was
really like a deep faith In christianity or some type
of Transcendent god versus people who trust the world or
authority over their own personal belief. System that was a
huge piece of.

Speaker 2 (02:35:24):
It, well the other thing that a lot of the
scientists end up contradicting themselves are is if they believe
an objective. TRUTH i think a lot of, them Like lane,
himself would admit that it's going to take a long
time and a lot of data to back up a, claim,
Right but there is an objective. Truth so when you

(02:35:46):
get into this whole plant like left versus, right it's, like,
no it's right versus, wrong doesn't depend on what side
of the aisle that you're. On, Right and we have
that As, christians, right BECAUSE i believe the anarchy. RIGHT
i believe there's a right way to do things and
there's a wrong way to do. Things and then a
lot of people who don't have an objective, morality their

(02:36:08):
way of interpreting the world is like, LIKE i had
this with my friend when we were talking about. Abortion she's, like,
well you have The christians who say you never do,
it and you have the liberals who say you can
always do. It it's probably somewhere in the, Middle, right
the middle way is the best. Way i'm, like you're
presupposing that the middle way is the best. Way, right
he's presupposing that, this oh the. Science like we Have

(02:36:29):
republicans and we Have. Democrats they're both, crazy, Right but.

Speaker 1 (02:36:33):
On my, end your cameradges went, out.

Speaker 2 (02:36:35):
Yeah but on my, end the middle way is the right,
way you know WHAT i? Mean mm. Hmm So i'll
just switch over to my my FaceTime. Camera it's not
as nice.

Speaker 1 (02:36:49):
There you. Go, no it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:36:51):
Bad so this is What i'm. Saying, like the thing
THAT i just don't like is when they dismiss because
we chatted about, that AND i think in a world
that we're growing up and now we have way less
appealing to, Authority, RIGHT i didn't appeal to authority LIKE I, heck,
DUDE i was questioning so many things right the verse
trust chat got, amen bro, Amen but you know WHAT i,

(02:37:15):
Mean LIKE i was questioning things in sixth grade whatever it.
Was wait a, Minute so if dinosaurs died and made,
oil so how do we still have some of? Them
but wait a. Minute the bones are they're fossil, fuels
but they don't come from. Fossils how does that? Work
you know WHAT i? Mean like?

Speaker 1 (02:37:30):
This you know dinosaur bone. Juice you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:37:33):
That that's, Right that's, RIGHT i heard. It and but
we can't keep doing, that, right we have to go
and make a wind right wind or? Yeah so this
is from this is on ON.

Speaker 3 (02:37:46):
X this is.

Speaker 1 (02:37:46):
Nipperd Uh so R Fk junior posted This august, tenth
so just about a month, ago And knipperd's response, is
this is good, advice but unfortunately you're going to kill
people by defunding back scene. Research and so here's HERE'S Rfk. Junior,
Everybody Kennedy.

Speaker 15 (02:38:07):
Jr and every, WEEKEND i spent an hour or two
at a place that looks like. This WHEREVER i am
in the, WORLD i go to a local GYM i
found out a long time.

Speaker 5 (02:38:16):
Ago and if you hang out at the, park you're
probably gonna get.

Speaker 15 (02:38:19):
Drug you hang out at the barber, shop you'll probably
end up getting a Hair and if you hang out
at the, gym you're probably to get into. Shape, oh Every,
sunday try to get down to your local fitness, center,
patronage your local, merchant your local gym or health, club
and yourself a.

Speaker 5 (02:38:39):
Jay let's Make america. Health you Get how can you
not like that?

Speaker 2 (02:38:43):
Message? Right that's.

Speaker 1 (02:38:44):
Good that difference is you're gonna kill people with the
fun and vaccine.

Speaker 2 (02:38:49):
Research and then and then it's like cook his ass
MASSIVE W jeff by c ab pane OR.

Speaker 1 (02:38:58):
Md oh yeah, yeah you look at. It and then
The Indian PANWAR md MASSIVE W. Jeff here's eggroll, Nationalists so,
yeah good pick how.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
Much you bench? Dude uh, Yeah then you get people
like don't worship, pharma uh Political jeff is?

Speaker 1 (02:39:25):
Fun okay. Whatever but here's. THEN nipperd posted this on
His instagram during THE covid stuff and basically, SAYS i
don't think it makes you a bad person if you
don't get the. VACCINE i, mean do you even make
that Caveat, look, GUYS i don't think you're if you

(02:39:48):
Get if you don't get THE, Covid, JEFF i don't
think you're a bad. Person necessarily.

Speaker 2 (02:39:56):
Have, mercy, man.

Speaker 1 (02:39:58):
AND i actually think there are some legitimate reasons on
the table for not wanting to get. It kids under
twelve pregnant, women people who have known vaccine. Allergies, however
in the fitness, Community i'm noticing a lot of people
skipping on the vaccine for reasons that are based on.
Misinformation SO i wanted to do a quick post sharing
my thoughts just in case it will help even just

(02:40:19):
a small handful of you come to a more informed.
Decision to be, clear as a fitness pro, MYSELF i
should say that fitness pros are not qualified on this
topic and you should really get your information from THE
who and THE. Cdc, again they always appeal to these
institutions above anyone in the, health, fitness or bodybuilding. Field

(02:40:45):
for the, record all of my statements in the past
can be traced back to those sources or scientific. Papers
no one cares what The World Health organization or THE
cdc has to. Say they've been wrong over and over and.
Over even though all of the information in the past
can be easily assessed and verified from trusted, SOURCES i

(02:41:06):
did consult with multiple experts who helped me correct a
few things and add some. Details, still SINCE i am
yet another fit pro posing an opinion ABOUT, COVID i
do encourage you to verify information for yourself and think
critically about what you're. Reading with that, said if, interested
you can swipe and check out my, thoughts of which

(02:41:28):
then he essentially promotes getting the.

Speaker 2 (02:41:32):
Vaccine what do you say four years?

Speaker 1 (02:41:38):
Ago so in twenty twenty one when it was coming, Out.

Speaker 2 (02:41:45):
And then you go any. Heat but it's funny because
he says fitness people should not Be But i'm gonna
go ahead and give you my.

Speaker 1 (02:41:50):
Opinion, okay, yeah. Exactly, yeah don't listen to. Anybody get
your information from. Experts But i'm a fitness pro AND
i believe the. Experts so let me tell you about
my opinion based on what the experts have. SAID i,
mean it's so, pedantic H, like it just feels condescending and.

(02:42:16):
Arrogant and THEN i went to AND i had never
been on his x, account so this was just. Day
the first THING i see is him posting a post
a profit, yep and a couple guys meming over. Here
you know It's myron and AND i didn't realize this
guy was that short that makes the. Videos he's kind

(02:42:36):
of like he's in the lane of wind test but
he just makes small commentary. Videos, uh kind of a short.
King and then you Got myron there doing A roman,
salute and so he, says these people need to Watch
Schindler's list Or zone Of interest or, something because how
can you Idolize? Hitler, Mean Minister, MUSTANG i think you're

(02:43:00):
a normal.

Speaker 2 (02:43:01):
Person, No, bro it's like a communist, man, like, okay
So stalin's.

Speaker 1 (02:43:11):
Cool and then, uh and then this was the what
do you think about the recent photos of the rock?

Speaker 2 (02:43:19):
Bro his face don't look, great his neck doesn't look.

Speaker 1 (02:43:21):
Great, no he's clearly lost a bunch of. Weight. YEAH
i don't know if he's. SICK i don't know what's going.
ON i don't know if he just drops. Steroids but then,
Again nipper, SAYING i think he just leaned out and
is wearing a loose, shirt laughing. Aloud. Neck look at
his neck, like what are you talking? About, like what

(02:43:42):
are you talking? About that dude is not the same.
Size look at the traps like.

Speaker 2 (02:43:49):
They're non? Existent what are you Talk the dude.

Speaker 1 (02:43:52):
Is not the same. Side, yeah maybe he's on, ozimpic,
Ye Brady harvey says homeboy On it could, be but
why would he need to be on ozimpic when he
was already that? BIG i think he got off. Steroids,
yeah and probably for l three. Reason he's probably giving
up on that that stage of his, life and that
maybe that's why he did THE wwe like last year or.
Something for like a year he was back on THE

(02:44:12):
ww as The, rock as The. Boss maybe he did
that as like his last run on steroids to sort
of be The. ROCK i don't, KNOW i have no,
idea but clearly he's not the same. Size anybody telling
you he's just wearing a loose. SHIRT i, mean look
at his, neck look at his face like he's either
lost weight or he's.

Speaker 2 (02:44:32):
Sick looks ginormous and it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:44:36):
Fit, YEAH i, mean look at how he normally Looks.

Speaker 2 (02:44:39):
Batista both of them have huge like jawlines and, necks
and their shoulders are just Good.

Speaker 1 (02:44:45):
Batista you Know batista's, parents he was he was, well
his mothers were, lesbians so he was raised by two.
Lesbians and then once he got off, steroids and you,
know he's like a big progressive and he you, know
this was him as A ww, star and then this
was him afterwards being like a big Anti trump but

(02:45:07):
pro progressive guy wearing, pearls and this was haralded as
Like oh, Look, batista he's wearing pearls to signify that
strong men can have a new. Image you see somebody
over here USE ai and they Got dwayne wearing.

Speaker 2 (02:45:22):
Pearls, yeah they're both, transitioning both of. Them lord Of.

Speaker 1 (02:45:28):
Mercy, yeah SO i don't, know you, Know god bless The.
Rock if he's sick or.

Speaker 2 (02:45:31):
SOMETHING i don't, know but, yeah, yeah you hate for,
that and it is, sad like you saw that With.
Arnold i'm trying to think if there's any kind of
other Popular i've never really Heard stallone talk. Much you,
know when we're kind of looking at these like older
role models who were. Jacked you, know that's one of
the memes of. Today it's like the role models that

(02:45:52):
we grew up with the, seventies, eighties nineties are all.
Huge jack, dude there's a couple of guys who aren't.
Small was his, Name Chris, hemsworth you, Know Henry. Cavell.
Henry he's, liberal, RIGHT.

Speaker 1 (02:46:09):
I don't know if he's. LIBERAL i think he's pretty.
PRETTY i thought he was a little. BIT i thought
he was closer to like The Chris pratts of the,
World BUT i could be.

Speaker 2 (02:46:19):
WRONG i Think Chris pratts like evangelical or, something isn't He,
yeah he, Is and he does have some soft, opinions
like he's not a Hardcore christian or, anything even though
he like was always talking about and Promoting, christianity which is.

Speaker 1 (02:46:32):
FINE i get. It they're they're of that. Ilk BUT
i will Say Henry cavell did.

Speaker 2 (02:46:38):
It he did a.

Speaker 1 (02:46:38):
Movie, ROLE i Think The Last, superman and he refused
to take at least according to that numerous people talking
about he refused to take steroids and wanted to naturally
get that, big which all.

Speaker 2 (02:46:50):
My two cents, is if he, did that's super impressive
because he's mid late, thirties, Right, yeah, YEAH i say
mid the late. THIRTIES i mean my opinion on the
whole natty. THING i try and look and. Look we
have some better technology, now we have better science. Now
but you, know if you're looking back at bodybuilders late eighteen,

(02:47:14):
hundreds early nineteen, hundreds, right depending on your source, testosterone injectable,
testosterone and, antabolics probably nineteen ten twenty thirty is when
you're really starting to synthesize it and be able to use.
It So i'm pretty confident the most of the guys nineteen,
hundred like they were probably fully. Natural and so IF
i look at those guys and you look At Henry,

(02:47:36):
Cavill i'm, like, Dude Henry cavil would be. Better, yeah
you've seen the old like world's strongest man guy in a.
Circus he's, like, yeah, bro it looks like looks like
a fifty five year old you, know you know uncle
at the, Gym like he's kind of got a mid.
Physique let's be, honest you know WHAT i, Mean like
nineteen oh five circus.

Speaker 1 (02:47:56):
AND i bet they were an ox.

Speaker 2 (02:47:58):
Though, yeah that's probably true to they probably weren't much
on on on bodybuilding, Comparatively but that's kind of my two.
Cents i'm, Like, okay if they're quite a bit better
bigger than those, Guys i'm. Suspicious he's forty.

Speaker 1 (02:48:13):
Two so whenever he did his last, well then here's
one caveat in favor Of Henry. Cavill he was against
several snapes From Harry potterbak.

Speaker 2 (02:48:22):
Podcast all, right he's got he, got he's got one.

Speaker 1 (02:48:26):
Based cart point going for him there that one based
Car i'm blessing him for. That, yeah and the for
the rock, too and this is gonna touch with BECAUSE
i put this right Before Michael. Hearn you, Know The
rock has been notorious for saying that he does not take,
peds which really, yeah, yeah he's never claimed he's always

(02:48:48):
claimed to be. Natural you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:48:51):
That, no, bro did you show that one photo of?
Him this is What i'm, Saying, like, imagine like go
to Like The rock's recent physique like like, That like
you know What i'm. Saying look at the it's like
nineteen oh, five and you see, That like you don't
have screet sculptures that look like. That, YEAH i, mean
LIKE i WONDER i really. Wonder, Well and.

Speaker 1 (02:49:12):
That's WHERE i saw video recently that when you look
At greek sculptures and, meniu they tend to not have
a big chest because they didn't do chess training back.
Then they didn't know like what what a full man's
chest could potentially look like because they didn't do those
types of.

Speaker 2 (02:49:27):
Exercises, yeah you would have eventually like really nice backs
and shoulders and abs and you, know, quads but you
most of the time they don't.

Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
Have like a big bulky chest because they didn't have
the equipment and the stuff that actually helps me do.

Speaker 2 (02:49:42):
That that'd be an interesting rabbit hole to go. Down,
like you, know statues at LEAST bc like exactly how
muscular were? They AND i think you could probably estimate
if you had a guy that was pretty, fit what
would it look like if you had another twenty to,
thirty like A, Hercules you know WHAT i. Mean but
it does make me, wonder like what did actual guys

(02:50:04):
look like back? Then what was the? Potential and like,
again they probably didn't have great, food they didn't have
a gym or.

Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
Anything so somebody said he looks like a grandpa with those.
GLASSES i think he looks like he's On he's like
a tourist on vacation with that. Outfit he looks like
somebody's getting ready to ask something about whatever tour he's currently.
One we had a super chat that came in over
on Stream labs from made By Jim bob's shoulders through

(02:50:34):
in five dollars and, SAYS i care how SMALL i.
Am one Day i'll be able to carry a. Backpack
so another shots at my, Buddy Jim. BOB i do
not endorse you guys are just mean nasty.

Speaker 2 (02:50:48):
Bullies in the, chat does your priests know that you're
on stream saying this does your spiritual father right?

Speaker 1 (02:50:54):
Now here's your? Father, no you're Questioning Jim bob's shoulders right?

Speaker 2 (02:50:59):
Now gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:51:06):
Unreal, anyways just to Finish nippert, HERE i was just
running through like some of his, stuff and Here's Lane.
Norton how do we secretly Make america healthy? Again it's
no secret That i'm not impressed by the recent push
to remove food, dies swap seed oils for tallow or
change the sources of sugar and. Soda WHENEVER i push,

(02:51:29):
Back i'm seeing a lot of the same response as.
Well at least it's a step in the right, direction
but is. IT i appreciate that people are rightly concerned
about the state of our, health but calling these changes
a win or a step forward is a.

Speaker 2 (02:51:39):
Stretch what bro seed?

Speaker 1 (02:51:43):
Oils seed, oil so he's in favor of seed, oils food?
Dies what was the other? One and then sugar cane
so he's in favor of more artificial you, know instead
of what like who can be claimed science backed and
be that ignorant like you just almost have to be

(02:52:06):
so devoted to the. Institution it's, unreal.

Speaker 2 (02:52:08):
Is he is he just rage, baiting you know WHAT i,
mean maybe maybe that gets a lot of, engagement and you,
Know jeff would know. That this is What i'm, saying
is that people get so warped that they start doing
videos in a certain, way they're saying a certain, thing
and then it just becomes positive feedback. Loop LIKE i
know he knows if he says that food, babe organic,

(02:52:31):
grandma like whoever it, is, like you, know trad based,
mom blah blah, blah they'll come and engage in, that,
Right like IF i get a, bet you, know on both, ends,
right you'll have other science based people who are, like,
yeah that's, Right. Lane you know there's no evidence that food.
DIES i could probably google like red dye forty AND
adhd and it's, like, yeah it's actually a beaver and is.

Speaker 1 (02:52:55):
Secretion SO i just thought that was amazing and so.
EMBLEMATIC i found on this right before we joined for
this to do this, stream AND i was going Through nipper,
like oh my. Gosh not only did he Repost Lane,
Norton Lane norton's complaining about everything THAT Rfk junior's doing
and everything that we've been wanting from like THE, fda

(02:53:16):
and hhs and all this different. Stuff. Uh and then
Here's nipper complaining about the form OF Rfk junior And
pete Hegseth And i'm not here to defend either one
of these, guys but it's the last rep and a
series of going to failure doing pull, ups and he,
says this is one of the worst and most common

(02:53:38):
pull up MISTAKES i see guys, make refusing. Assistance it
takes an ego check to use a pull up, machine
a band or a partner for, assistance but serious lifters
find it respectable acknowledge your current strength level and build from.

Speaker 2 (02:53:52):
There thank.

Speaker 1 (02:53:53):
You what, like all they're doing is they're on their last. Set,
yeah they're they're have blat form and they're kicking their. Feet,
okay that's fine for your last freaking rep on going
to max on bull.

Speaker 2 (02:54:06):
Ups and the dude is seventy. Hard he's seventy.

Speaker 1 (02:54:09):
One he's seventy one years.

Speaker 2 (02:54:11):
OLD i, WONDER i wonder how many people In congress
who are seventy one can do a push up let.
Alone pullups are, hard they are wolves are extremely hard
for seventy.

Speaker 1 (02:54:22):
One spat of the upper.

Speaker 2 (02:54:23):
Body, YEAH i HOPE i hope it's seventy. ONE i
can still do pull.

Speaker 1 (02:54:27):
Ups so, ANYWAY i saw, THAT i was, like, gosh
this guy is such a freaking this like that's why
he you can find him.

Speaker 2 (02:54:36):
Annoying, yeah and that's What i'm. SAYING i wonder if
they're just rage baiting at the end of the, day
that's the sad, thing or you, know ultimately that is
what they believe and. Follow but and.

Speaker 1 (02:54:47):
Here's him defending again food dies our artificial dye panic is.
Crazy the empty calories is what makes this, unhealthy not the.
Coloring and then post, ay let's you know why THE
fda banded red dye three and it's by science. Basement
i'm curious who who supports? This?

Speaker 2 (02:55:07):
Yeah Bob? Steen?

Speaker 1 (02:55:09):
Who, YEAH i want to know? Who, okay, okay, anyways, yeah,
anyways you know the fact that this is Like knippert's
thing is going into you, know appealing to these. Things,
well making fun Of Michael knowles. Too he, Says i'm

(02:55:31):
going to eat more tasty animals to offset your.

Speaker 2 (02:55:34):
Switch, Oh, JEFF i was gonna, Say jeff came. Out
i'm pretty sure on the lab grown meat and maybe
the Right both of them are pro lab grown. Meat,
yeah there it.

Speaker 1 (02:55:45):
Is, Yeah i'm eating lab grown meat the second it's
a mass market, ready it's biologically identical to animal meat
and where reduce suffering more than any. Technology i'm not
here to enduse factory. Farming it's. Disgusting but your ethical
farm that butchers their animals and sells the, meat, okay

(02:56:11):
more than any technology in the history of our. Planet
as long as enough people switch over from factory farm eat.

Speaker 2 (02:56:17):
It we can do.

Speaker 1 (02:56:18):
It eat your impossible, meat, guys save the.

Speaker 10 (02:56:22):
Animals how dare you how dare.

Speaker 2 (02:56:26):
You still eat regular? Meat how dare you eat a?

Speaker 1 (02:56:31):
Rabbi and so he Said michael knows and funny, Response
i'm going to eat more tasty animals to offset your
switch to love grown, meat and then he, says get your, protein,
bro and when you're ready to start, Lifting Jeff niffer
Dot com slash, Programs.

Speaker 2 (02:56:50):
Oh i'm alright with. That it's kind Of noles isn't
the most muscular. Guy i'm okay With.

Speaker 1 (02:56:57):
Knowles could definitely use some, workouts that's for. Sure and
that's where it gets back to what you, Said, like,
yeah but how much do you beene?

Speaker 2 (02:57:04):
Press? Bro you know.

Speaker 1 (02:57:07):
If if a chad masculine dude responded To nipper, Like, noah,
DUDE i eat animal. Protein. Yep what's he gonna say? Then,
yep like he didn't have.

Speaker 2 (02:57:17):
Anything you're so?

Speaker 10 (02:57:19):
Mean you you, know move, planet got the.

Speaker 1 (02:57:23):
Planet there's so much. Suffering, okay next, one here's a
very prominent YouTube channel called Athleene x and uh this
little video exposing that he was using fake weights to
make it look like him being at such a low body,
weight he could lift more than he actually. Could tried

(02:57:45):
to fool everyone with fake.

Speaker 6 (02:57:46):
Weights the controversy began when people started questioning his. Physique,
surprisingly this individual is forty nine years old and appears
better than many men, have.

Speaker 1 (02:57:54):
And heydo kudos to. Him, yeah and he's over fifty
some years old and he looks, Fantastic so shout out to.
HIM i don't know if he claims to be natural or,
not but that's a great physique for somebody that age.

Speaker 2 (02:58:10):
Care, YEAH i. WATCHED i didn't see his stuff till
about two years, ago AND i was, LIKE i, WAS
i was actually looking like hamstring exercises to send to a.
PATIENT i was, like, dang this guy's peeled like he's,
peeled AND i did notice that. TOO i was, like,
dude he's so strong for being like, Peeled so that's
interesting you say.

Speaker 1 (02:58:27):
That so, anyways that does not justify even go giving
him credit for being such in such great shape at his.
Age that does not justify him using fake weight's.

Speaker 20 (02:58:36):
Age Jeff cavalier attempted to demonstrate his strength and credibility
by posting a video Titled Crazy Arms workout where he
casually curled one hundred and thirty five pounds per, reps
pin pressed three hundred and fifteen, pounds and dead lifted
five hundred pounds for two reps without breaking a. Sweat,
however viewers noticed weights appeared fake since the bar didn't
bend as it normally would under such heavy.

Speaker 5 (02:58:57):
Loads people quickly caught on calling him out for the.

Speaker 6 (02:59:00):
Deception rather than addressing the, Criticism jeff reportedly deleted negative.
Comment he later attempted to prove himself a deadlifting four
hundred and twenty five pounds with poor, form slamming the
bar down. Afterwards not only did this confirm he had
previously used fake, weights but his form contradicted his own training.

Speaker 5 (02:59:17):
Advice add to the.

Speaker 6 (02:59:18):
Scandal another influencer uncovered a company supposedly selling the same fake.

Speaker 5 (02:59:22):
Weights jeff had used this fitness, empt.

Speaker 1 (02:59:25):
So again another sort OF i WOULDN'T i wouldn't put
him in the same category as Liver, king but the
same sort of you, know faking some type of presentation
to garner more prestige amongst the.

Speaker 2 (02:59:38):
Community do you Remember Bradley. Castleberry, YES i actually lifted
at the same. GIN i spotted him a couple of times.
Hitting he got accused of fake weights all the, time
and that dude was actually super. STRONG i spotted him
four nine five. INCLINING i was, like, BRO i press

(02:59:59):
four Nine, yeah it was probably five, hundred right because
he probably put on the.

Speaker 1 (03:00:06):
Ash.

Speaker 2 (03:00:07):
YEAH i was, like, BRO i do not Feel i'm
not lifting, This like if you, can't LIKE i can,
upright roe maybe two hundred, pounds so, like depending on you,
know he might have even got it for like. Three
but he was a. Guy he actually we chatted about
earlier the effects of neurologically of using lots of, anabolics

(03:00:30):
AND i think he was known for using lots of.
Nandrolone LIKE i talked about an angeline deconator deca and
it makes you more kind of socially. Awkward you. Know
some people go as far to say like homosexual from,
it like it changes your. Disposition. Uh he was interesting
because he was just, ooh and he'd come out like
if you, remember like his thing was like he'd do

(03:00:52):
a ton of weight whatever it, was and he'd do,
like you, know dumbbell presses one fifties for like Twelve
you go, ooh and then here he, Is, yeah fake
plates is the first. Thing and people would come up
to him at like The arnold AND i wonder if
he's still doing. Stuff here's his YouTube channel right. Here

(03:01:20):
super nice, guy you know WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (03:01:21):
MEAN i kind of, help, yeah nine months.

Speaker 2 (03:01:24):
Ago but there was a lot of people would like
come and uh he was a guy that at like
The arnold and, stuff guys would go up and mess
with and he kind of had like a very timid,
Disposition like people would come up and mess with him a,
lot you know WHAT i, Mean and with his his
personality was just kind of. GOOFY i GUESS i liked.

(03:01:47):
Him if he ever sees, THIS i you, KNOW i
chatted with him in the gym several. Times it was
a nice. Guy spotted him and all, that BUT i
forget who it might have. Been derek for more, Plates he's, like,
yeah you can see this logical disposition developed when people
are using lots of nangeline over a long period of
time and they become socially awkward. Awkward right, there He's dumbbell,

(03:02:08):
incline pressing two Hundreds november twenty. Twenty, right those are two. Hundreds, yeah,
bro that's a. Lot he's.

Speaker 1 (03:02:19):
Away holy, shit.

Speaker 2 (03:02:23):
He's, Inclining so that's for you, know it's not a
super big incline, though it's probably, Like, bro it's still.
INCLINED i don't know how much that guy's.

Speaker 1 (03:02:34):
Open that's a ship ton of weight, Though, bro good,
lord you know how.

Speaker 2 (03:02:47):
Much harder dumbbell is than. Regular?

Speaker 1 (03:02:50):
Yeah, no that is a ship ton of. Weight, well
it brings us to our next, guy who Is what
are your thoughts on Mic O? Hearn now that.

Speaker 2 (03:02:59):
Guy he's been used in steroids SINCE i was seven years.
Old this guy thinks he's. Natural he's not nothing natural
about this.

Speaker 1 (03:03:06):
GUY i will, SAY i actually Like Michael.

Speaker 2 (03:03:10):
HEARN i.

Speaker 1 (03:03:12):
Think you know IN i will say his physique for
anybody who doesn't, KNOW i Mean Michael hearn's what fifty
three years?

Speaker 2 (03:03:20):
Old?

Speaker 1 (03:03:21):
Yeah maybe more is He let's, SEE i think he's
like fifty three or fifty?

Speaker 2 (03:03:27):
Six, man fifty?

Speaker 1 (03:03:29):
Six holy, Shit, yeah he's fifty six years. Old and
let's just go back and go to, images and he
still looks exactly the. Same so this is this was
like when he was like forty eight or forty nine or.
Something he still looks like, this, Yeap and everybody thinks

(03:03:51):
the dude has to be on steroids and he could
just you, KNOW i, mean it makes sense why you
would think.

Speaker 2 (03:03:57):
That, yeah when she calls you, narcissistic, abusive and misogynistic
but can't say, ugly. Dude his memes are, great and
he even reposts. Them it's not just a bunch of
like chads that are taking his, stuff you know WHAT i.
Mean so there are pretty funny ones where he walks,
up you know WHAT i mean and says it has

(03:04:18):
like a meme like that when she calls you, narcissic, abusive,
misogynists but she can't say you're, hungry you, Know and
he does a lot of them that are, like, yeah that's, cool,
bro what do you e? Bene you know WHAT i,
mean SO i like. HIM i think his memes are
funny and Things i've said are things That i've heard
him chat about is pretty. Based, uh even with training and.

(03:04:39):
Whatnot he's a conservative.

Speaker 1 (03:04:41):
GUY i think his wife Is romanian and SHE i
think She's, orthodox and he's kind of like some Evangelical,
christianity AND i think they go to more evangelical. Stuff
but she'll post like Every pasca And Christmas nativity go
into The Orthodox, church so you, know take that. Whatever

(03:05:01):
but he is he is more you, know right of.
Center and he had a funny interview with Jesse Lee
peterson THAT i. Watched it was pretty. Funny it was pretty.
Funny BUT i, mean WHAT i will say About mike
O'Hearn is he has been that size his whole. Life
so you can find photos Of mike o hearn in high,

(03:05:21):
school which is unbelievable how big he. Was let's, see come,
on give me.

Speaker 2 (03:05:29):
Something, well he was on what was it Called?

Speaker 1 (03:05:31):
Gladiator, yeah he was On American. Gladiators but you can find,
uh there's there's videos and photos of him like out
of high school and he was already ginormous yep and
super super strong and so is it, Possible, like, yeah
this was him at like he was in the newspaper for.

(03:05:52):
Football he was like, fourteen fifteen years old, Here so
there are guys who he be. NATURAL i think it
might be. POAB i just it's hard to conceptualize at
fifty six years old that he still looks like. That
but he was ginormous and he's basically the same body

(03:06:12):
weight and size he's been for you, know the last
what thirty, years so but he.

Speaker 2 (03:06:20):
Is in six for the last forty, years, Right if
he was fifteen, forty that's fifty five.

Speaker 1 (03:06:25):
Right, well, YEAH i was thinking once he got to
Like Venice venice.

Speaker 2 (03:06:32):
Bats, saying, right if that picture he's fourteen or, fifteen
that's forty years he's.

Speaker 1 (03:06:36):
Been, yeah this was him like right after high.

Speaker 2 (03:06:39):
School in high, school that's right, There Michael hearan at
fourteen years. Old fourteen years old could BE i mean
he looks like he's like eighteen. There, yeah, YEAH i
mean that's where you don't. Know there is this thing
CALLED cag, repeats which basically tell you how sensitive YOU arti.
Tiestosterone we know know enough about it right, now BUT i,

(03:07:03):
yeah IF i had to put money down on it
like if we if we drew his testosterone right, now
like he's like three or four, thousand you, know He's.

Speaker 1 (03:07:13):
That's WHAT i. Mean maybe he just genetically has a
shit ton of. TESTOSTERONE i don't. Know seems like he probably.
Is and so here's a few videos of people asking
him to his, face do you still Claim lifetime?

Speaker 17 (03:07:27):
Natural, well the cool thing is we're gonna.

Speaker 5 (03:07:29):
Put out the blood.

Speaker 1 (03:07:30):
Work if you are claiming, NATURAL i assume this, company
based on What i'm seeing laid, around is a hormone optimizing.

Speaker 2 (03:07:37):
Tights make tr natural is?

Speaker 1 (03:07:40):
Natural, right and any kind OF trt OR hrt would be? Unnatural?
Right but so are you ON trt or are you
just PROMOTING?

Speaker 2 (03:07:48):
Thrg, Oh i'm promoting up in the. House so are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (03:07:52):
It?

Speaker 1 (03:07:52):
Though is that what people are doing? Now Going, Hey i'm,
natural But i'm ON.

Speaker 21 (03:07:55):
Trt i'm showing you the blood work so you can
go with, it, okay and then you can make your
decision to the.

Speaker 2 (03:08:01):
Fans but yes or? No are you optimizing your?

Speaker 1 (03:08:03):
Hormone are you trying to get?

Speaker 2 (03:08:04):
Views he's trying to get?

Speaker 1 (03:08:05):
Views, yes or so Is Mike natty or?

Speaker 2 (03:08:09):
Not do you still claim. Lifetime, NO i mean we
need to watch the original. One he slipped around, that,
Right you're just, like, No i've never taken. Tests it's
not that out of a. QUESTION i mean that's him
and you should have him And Jordan pearson going a.
Circle do you believe In? God do you? Think what

(03:08:29):
do you? Depends what do you mean by?

Speaker 17 (03:08:32):
Testosterone you're criticized all the time by these online bodybuilders
and you lean into that, too, like, hey fake.

Speaker 1 (03:08:42):
Natty.

Speaker 17 (03:08:42):
Sure you know what's funny about that stuff is you're
always going to have the, haters, Right if they want
to believe this or, that they can go have fun with,
it And i'll lay into them because it's it's at
the end of the, Day i'm still. Me i'm still having.
Fun just feels like it's not going. Away and the
fact that you keep kind of leaning into, it it's.
HELPFUL i don't, KNOW i do notice. It it's always
me and the rock and. STUFF i don't mind getting

(03:09:04):
tied to the rock in that. Sense, Yeah Joe rogan
brought this. Up, yeah talked about you for a. While,
yeah did podcast And Joe rogan has talked about DOING
hrt and, stuff and then he looks the way he.

Speaker 5 (03:09:18):
Does my point, is if you think something is going
to make you it's.

Speaker 17 (03:09:22):
Hops fired the rock or make you the fastest runner
in the, world it's not that go from the frog
to the.

Speaker 5 (03:09:29):
Prince, yes it does not do.

Speaker 2 (03:09:32):
That, yeah SO i was a, natural, RIGHT i was
natty UNTIL i was. Thirty and if you have low
levels and you get on test world of, difference Like
world Of, difference like guys who are LIKE wea just
taking gear doesn't do, it, dude it does a. Lot

(03:09:52):
it's like trying to work out without. Caffeine like when
you're on testosterone and you're natty and you move the
TESTOSTERONE i work. OUT i went from working out five
days a week for a little over an hour to
WORK i could work out three times a week for
forty five minutes and maintain my gains actually grow because
testosterone tells your. Body it literally is. That it says

(03:10:13):
increase protein, synthesis increase collagen. Synthesis totally game. Changer so,
LIKE i can't stand, That, like and don't get me,
wrong you still have to put the.

Speaker 1 (03:10:24):
What do you mean by natty bacco?

Speaker 2 (03:10:26):
Exactly SO i can't stand that when guys are like,
honestly the professional. Bodybuilders now it is more of a scientific.
Experiment you still have to put the work. In but,
dude you Take Jay cutler and you take all his gear,
away AND i could get sauced, up my honest, opinion

(03:10:49):
to get bigger than, Him like it's the day and
NIGHT i would put money, like and you can go
and look at where they were and when they were,
natural like look At Phil heath.

Speaker 1 (03:10:57):
When he was, natty And Ronnie coleman was still ginormous
before he started taking.

Speaker 2 (03:11:02):
Well we THINK i bet he was on a test.

Speaker 1 (03:11:04):
BASE i mean claims he wasn't taking, Anything but he
also claims he was very ignorant about what he was
taking because somebody else was given it to.

Speaker 22 (03:11:11):
Him yeas basic stuff Uh tistoscrone and Uh decca, Basically
and that, is in, honesty comparative to trend And mastered
like a lot of these other.

Speaker 2 (03:11:23):
Antabolics it's pretty base. Level When i've heard Uh bumstead
talk about gear like comparatively to what other Guys i've heard,
talk his his doses were were way.

Speaker 1 (03:11:37):
Lower, well that was his, argument is he tries to
take the least amount as possible to achieve his physique
just because he's worried about long term health. Problems AND
i think this is like his last, year isn't. It
has he officially said he's competing because last year was
going to be and then he Won Classic, physique AND i,
thought he's still training and he's going to compete this,

(03:12:00):
year which will be like his last, year and then
he's going to be done with professional. Bodybuilding.

Speaker 2 (03:12:05):
YEP i mean it'll be interesting to see and and
a lot of those guys you can tell when they
come off because they just absolutely deflate and maybe they.
STOP i, mean just look at the, rock like, what,
like how can you lose forty pounds of? Muscle it's
like people don't understand the more testosterone you, have it's
like magazine, Capacity like you literally can only get so much.

(03:12:26):
Glycogen you can literally get so much, protein you, know muscle.
Synthesis that's there's a max capacity that you're able to,
reach and when you're on tests that increases that and
then antabolics make it even way. Higher, Right so and
that's where it go ahead, Ahead, WELL i say that
the myostat and inhibitors are the ones that are kind

(03:12:49):
of coming out, Now like you've seen pictures of the
bulldogs that are super ripped and. Huge, yeah and the. Cows,
yeah they've been coming out With mylestatin and, hibbits like
those pictures are from like five or ten years. Ago, Though,
milestat it's like thinking about muscle Stat it's like what
stops your muscles from? Growing so you inhibit the thing
that tells you to stop, growing, Right so it will

(03:13:12):
be interesting if that comes, out then all the body builds.

Speaker 1 (03:13:15):
Are just going to take that and grow floor high,
junk he. Says BUT cdc said low test is, Normal.

Speaker 2 (03:13:20):
Flor he knows what's. Up he's got the floor. Ride
you got your red, dat you got your d, dat
you got your floor, ride you got your low, test
your soy maxing, Bro you're. Good all.

Speaker 1 (03:13:29):
Right here's Here's Michael hernon now other one's got one
point one million views with the. Legend Michael hearnair To,
honor just quick.

Speaker 3 (03:13:37):
Question so a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (03:13:38):
Have excused you of being a fake. Natty, okay what
would you say to the guys that are? Natty what
do they need to do to achieve a physiquin?

Speaker 1 (03:13:44):
YOURS i wouldn't say much to Them. Uh to the
guys that want to do.

Speaker 21 (03:13:50):
This for a long period of, time you got to
go back and you can say whatever you want about.
Me But i've been here since the eighties And i'm
still here. Today so there's a long road to it's
a it's a tough. Road but for those that really
want it to the long, road want to do the
short term and so.

Speaker 1 (03:14:07):
To the asking you and we're gonna move on From Michael.
Hearn but for those that claim so there's other bodybuilders
that work out With Michael hearn that claim that he
is natural and that they've known, him you, know his
professional life twenty some. Years they, say, WELL i don't
know what he does when he goes, home But i've
worked out with him and he's been the same the whole,

(03:14:29):
time and that he there's never like dramatic differences in
the way he looks or his, strength and he always
appeals to that when he talks, about, well look at my,
career COULD i do that IF i was on? Gear
what are your? Thoughts could somebody maintain the consistency of
the of the esthetic and the strength for since the?

Speaker 2 (03:14:47):
Eighties, YEAH i mean from from a doctor and biological,
standpoint like you look at most, skies, right what did you?
Say you're, Like, Wow i'm gonna be thirty six AND
i can feel.

Speaker 1 (03:15:00):
It.

Speaker 2 (03:15:00):
DUDE i remember being like twenty. Three my cousin who
was thirty, two was, like, bro just wait till you're.
THIRTY i was, like, dude you're thirty, Two you're not fifty.
Two and then, DUDE i, remember, like, DUDE i told.
YOU i started playing with In Kama feine And cloma
in my late twenties to help with. TESOSTONE i don't,
Know i've been through. It i've, chatted AND i have
a bias population because most of the guys who come

(03:15:22):
with me come to ME i have lotus ostrone, right
Like i'm a lotus ostro. Doctor but being in the
industry long, enough it's, like, BRO i don't know you've seen.
It like for for real, powerlifting you, know those guys
last maybe five or ten, years maybe ten years before
something's going out. Somewhere so for him to be natty

(03:15:43):
and made it that, long not be, hurt not terror,
pack and then maybe he had some minor, INJURIES i
don't ever, recall you.

Speaker 1 (03:15:50):
Know, nothing no muscle, tears.

Speaker 2 (03:15:53):
None, yeah, yeah like what was it Like Larry wheels
and then, yeah he wore his icap, yep and he
was working on with the guy blew his peck out and,
yeah it was his, name The australian. Guy he was
Another chris Or. Brat, yeah SO i don't. KNOW i

(03:16:14):
guess it's possible and there they may just have some
type of.

Speaker 1 (03:16:17):
Like, well do you think that that signifies To Michael
hearn's point that he could be natural based on the
longevity of his. CAREER i, MEAN i have no. Idea
he always appeals to, like, well look at the, photos
look at the, videos look at How i've been for you,
know since the, eighties nothing's really. Changed COULD i do
that IF i was on? GEAR i don't. Know unless

(03:16:40):
he was natural for a really long time and maybe
he's more recently got on gear to maintain.

Speaker 2 (03:16:44):
It, yeah but do you think That i'd say that's more.
Plausible you, know maybe he got into the thirties and
FOR i think, it, dude when you get to your,
forties just from What i've seen in, patients it's extremely. Difficult, fifties,
Sixties i'm, like, wow fifty, six that's. Impressive that's ALL
i can, say you, know Maybe god.

Speaker 1 (03:17:04):
Yeah and if you go to his YouTube, channel you
can still see he posts like his workouts, regularly like
he still looks absolutely phenomenal, YEP i, mean and he's.
Ginormous so he's constantly putting stuff. Out so if you,
want if you want to see like what he's up
to and what he's, doing, like let's see if there's something.

(03:17:26):
Recent where here's something?

Speaker 2 (03:17:32):
Recent is he mentioned down their bottom left.

Speaker 7 (03:17:34):
The sense For fit summit WITH ksm sixty six Ashwoo.

Speaker 3 (03:17:38):
Ganda but before, that a.

Speaker 7 (03:17:40):
Quick little pit stop over At Frank zaine's house to
go over some finishing touches with the physique dial in
the posing and add a couple of tricks to really
help bring out those. Fibers this is an old school
tool that they're, using And frank's having him hold some
isometrics and raise it at the same time to really
bring out those. Fibers, guys you're out in.

Speaker 3 (03:18:00):
Romania.

Speaker 1 (03:18:01):
Sheesh it was just.

Speaker 2 (03:18:03):
Funny they were talking ABOUT ksm six sevens or sixty,
six which Is, ashraganda which is a testosterone, booster And i'm,
LIKE i don't, think maybe, man maybe he's just a super,
responder and he's on a bunch of. SUPPLE i WOULD
i would be super. INTERESTED i know he says his blood.
WORK i wonder IF i can find some on him real. Quick, see,
well that's what Coach greg just.

Speaker 1 (03:18:23):
Said he always says that he talks about blood, work
but he hasn't seen, it or he hasn't posted. It
BUT i don't, know maybe he has posted. IT i
have no.

Speaker 2 (03:18:31):
IDEA i mean just A i, said there is no
publicly available.

Speaker 1 (03:18:37):
Blood work For Michael, Hearn so, YEAH i he always says,
that THOUGH ye Know pablo wats winsco bar said he
TAKES ksm sixty. Six all, right moving forward here the next.
ONE i wanted to so, there we're not going to cover,
this but this was a we're gonna skip it just

(03:18:57):
because we're already three and a half hours into the.
Stream but there was a fitness, Influencer Brittany, dawn And
i'll tell you exactly BECAUSE i looked it. Up she
sold personalized fitness and nutrition coaching plans but gave clients
generic templates or nothing at, All and then dozens of
women came. Forward she offered refunds only if they signed

(03:19:19):
NDA's not exposing what she. Did then she was eventually
sued by these, people and as soon as this all came,
out she converts To, christianity and now she's like A
christian fitness, influencer and she's always posting stuff About jesus
and Letting god take her life and leading her life.
Forward AND i think it's great that she found Christ

(03:19:41):
BUT i just, thought Like, nala it's very convenient for
some of these women when there's a fallout for something
that they, did all of a, sudden then They're. Christians
and she keeps talking about forgiveness and why people need
to forgive her and all this. Stuff it's like the
same Thing scrinamaski, says looks Like Blair white with blonde, Hair.

Speaker 2 (03:20:03):
BUT i don't know Who's Blair.

Speaker 1 (03:20:04):
White Blair white's the transgender conservative. COMMENTATOR i shouldn't have
told you she's, transgender AND i should have asked you
if you think she's.

Speaker 2 (03:20:12):
HOT i should something felt goofy is maybe not.

Speaker 1 (03:20:20):
Um, yeah, anyways, anyways that's what this article is. About
So Brittany, dawn you can look her. Up just another
again exposing the fitness. Industry this is one THAT i
wanted to bring up right before we went. Live and
So Joey, swoll who seems like a nice. Guy i've,
watched you, know not just His instagram. Videos you, know

(03:20:41):
there's tons of His instagram, videos but you know him
working out with Like Larry wheels and other. People but
he freaking bent the. Knee so he's a massive. Dude
really has a ginormous upper, Body like his upper body is.
Huge and he did have heart. PROBLEMS i know he's
on gear because he's talked about. It but he did

(03:21:03):
a thing the day That Hulk hogan, died which was right.
Here he posted a video of himself working out In
Hulk hogan stuff that's. Cool and this was at you,
Know Gold gym And, venice so the iconic gym dressed
up As Hulk. Hogan, well then he got backlash from
black people Because Hulk hogan said a naughty word at

(03:21:24):
one point to his. Daughter and then he went and
did a public. Apology and that's Why i'm getting ready
to show you guys NOW.

Speaker 4 (03:21:33):
I owe my, followers my, community and all of social
media and. APOLOGY a few days, AGO i reposted an
old video of me and the gym wearing A Hulk
Hogan halloween costume on the day that he.

Speaker 3 (03:21:45):
Passed last, night in my live, stream a lot of
people expressed how upset and frustrated they.

Speaker 1 (03:21:52):
Were, Hey, andy by the, Way, chad everybody who's, here
can we Get Hulk hogan's in the? Chat?

Speaker 2 (03:21:57):
Please? Everybody?

Speaker 1 (03:21:58):
Remember can we Get Hulk hogan's in the? Chat we
are not A Hawk hogan apology. Channel we yea we
believe In, america we believe in The hulk were a.

Speaker 2 (03:22:11):
BROTHER i saw some, EARLIER.

Speaker 1 (03:22:17):
I should, say ah h and the chat.

Speaker 3 (03:22:21):
Were with me THAT i had posted. That instead of
listening and understanding LIKE i should, HAVE i became defensive
and said THAT i was posting to celebrate the wrestling,
icon the person that so many of us looked up,
to his, kids that we grew up, with that made
us tear our shirts and take our vitamins and say our.
PRAYERS i didn't know to the extent of all the

(03:22:42):
horrible things that he had. Done since last, NIGHT i
have done a lot of, research talked to a few,
people and learned all of the, horrible horrible things that
that man has, done which is way more than just
making a mistake and being. Human so because of, THAT
i have taken the videos down AND i apologize to
anybody THAT i. OFFENDED i am. Sorry, also during last

(03:23:05):
night's live, STREAM i use the word colored instead of
saying person.

Speaker 8 (03:23:09):
Of, color which is a very, outdated very educated me
and told me that it wasn't okay to use.

Speaker 2 (03:23:17):
That, broh it's gonna make me. Vomit, DUDE i can't you.
Know the first minute was all, right but at the,
End i'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:23:33):
Colored instead of people of.

Speaker 8 (03:23:35):
Color we apologized to everyone and SAID i would never
do that. Again so once again to anybody THAT i,
OFFENDED i am. Sorry you, know my whole, page my whole,
brand is based on holding people accountable and doing. BETTER
i would be a hypocrite IF i didn't hold myself
to the same. STANDARDS i am, HUMAN i am still,

(03:23:58):
GROWING i am still, learning AND i promise all of
YOU i will do.

Speaker 5 (03:24:02):
BETTER i have.

Speaker 8 (03:24:03):
Nothing but love and kindness in my. HEART i will
continue to try to make the world a better. Place
and once again to, EVERYBODY i.

Speaker 1 (03:24:11):
Apologize now he's getting ready to tell us he has
a black friend and a trans friend and so he can't, gosh.

Speaker 2 (03:24:20):
They're in the car right now let me show You
i'm not.

Speaker 1 (03:24:22):
Racist oh my, god so screwed, up, nest he, said
what did he? SAY i, mean he didn't say. Anything
he worked out and a video that had le's see
IF i can find. It he deleted the, video But
i'm sure somebody's already uploaded it ON x, Anyways i'm

(03:24:45):
Not i'm not seeing. It but it's this video here
where he's dressed up like Hul. Cogan all he did
was work out and then he and then he posed
and posted the photo. Online that's all he. Did you, asked,
like what did he? Do that's what he. Did and
he apologized because people start telling him that Hul cogan's.

Speaker 2 (03:25:05):
RACIST a, Dude it was not that bad until he,
SAID i allowed them to educate me with like that's
the part where, like OH i was educated by these
minorities that how OPPRESSIVE i.

Speaker 1 (03:25:20):
Was, YEAH i can't BELIEVE i told them that their,
colored not people of, color. Dude and so it just
showed how. Maniputable the reason why he brought Up Joey
swole for today's stream is to show you how maniputable
these fitness industry influencers are as. Well so generally, speaking you,

(03:25:42):
KNOW i agree with a lot of the. Stuff you,
Know Joey swoll does a bunch of videos calling out
like these OnlyFans girls in the, gym constantly post, tripods
bending over in front the, camera even doing like sexually
explicit stuff in the. Gym thank You Joey swoll for.
That but to see how weak he was just because

(03:26:03):
he got a little bit of flak Because Hulk hogan
died and he worked out dressed As Hulk. Hogan, dude come, on, bro,
like so you always have to take, now in my,
opinion you have to take what he says with a
grain of salt because he's just gonna do whatever the
culture tells him to. Do, yep he has no, principles

(03:26:23):
he has no.

Speaker 2 (03:26:24):
Foundation, YEAH i was trying to think about a snarky
reply about well this offended me because you said, That.
Joey CAN i get an apology To?

Speaker 1 (03:26:36):
Oh oh, yeah that's a, great great, Point. Pablo he
says he bent the knee for people that aren't, fans true,
fact and then lost his real, fans true in. Fact
total beta. MOVE i, Mean i'm sure some people are
still still, following but it's like, now WHEN i See
joey Swol that's ALL i can think, about ye is
them groveling to these people when HAWK i, mean what

(03:26:58):
was that last month and or two months? Ago so
this Is july twenty, ninth so this was right at
the end Of. July it's, like come, on, dude like
you're so big and strong and you're always calling people
you don't have. It you can't just say you, know
even if you, want you didn't even need to address.
It if people are upset because you Like Hulk, Hogan, like,
okay you, know, yeah, man SAY i voted For. Trump

(03:27:23):
does that MEAN i have to apologize because he grabbed
women by the you know?

Speaker 2 (03:27:26):
What yep you? Do where's your? Apology i'm sorry all
of those church internal, Logos, thanes.

Speaker 1 (03:27:33):
You guys for educating. ME i didn't know that the big,
bad orange blonde haired me on he, Said and that
is just so.

Speaker 2 (03:27:41):
Harmful how could you support? Him how could?

Speaker 3 (03:27:44):
You how dare?

Speaker 1 (03:27:45):
You what was?

Speaker 2 (03:27:48):
It?

Speaker 1 (03:27:49):
Oh and Then Ashton hall, this, dude did you guys
see this? Phenomenon nice? Bro yes. Crea this is my
favorite part of his videos is he has to set
a camera up for every one of these. Cuts the
whole goal is to make it look like you're following his.

Speaker 2 (03:28:11):
Morning routine when in ordering though his ordering on, well.

Speaker 1 (03:28:16):
And it's just not. True like he'll, say three point fifty,
eight you, know opening My sarahtoga water to wash the
toothpaste out of my. Mouth what he's getting ready to.
Do then he puts his face into bowls of saratoga and,
fruit and in the timeline of the stuff does not
make sense with somebody filming themselves having to move the
tripod set the video up like that didn't happen thirty seconds.

(03:28:39):
Later now that was probably like fifteen twenty minutes. Later
but it's just so freaking. Fake and he called OUT
i show speed the live streamer to do a foot.
Race he, lost then he wanted to do it, again lost,
again then wanted to do it, again lost, Again and
really's kind of fallen off SINCE i think he still

(03:28:59):
posts the. Stuff but he was like super super viral
for a few weeks really probably a couple of. Months. Nice,

(03:29:31):
oh then he's reading His, bible getting his morning scripture
reading in by four p forty and now he's writing
you let everyone know Bro.

Speaker 2 (03:29:39):
Yep rival Of.

Speaker 23 (03:29:42):
Choice, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:30:00):
Gut you back.

Speaker 2 (03:30:03):
Golexkan so six.

Speaker 1 (03:30:09):
Sixteen he's got a camera on a tripod in front
of the, elevator closes. It then he has to ride
the elevator backup to get his, camera go back, down open,
it set the tripod.

Speaker 2 (03:30:22):
Up it's. Small, yeah it's. TOUGH i. Mean what's funny
is with all this kind of, influencer it only continues
to get worse and worse and, worse and there's these
games you have to. Play, unfortunately you know WHAT i,
Mean like anyone that wants to be in the fitness,
industry anyone's going to do any these. Things like like,

(03:30:42):
AGAIN i was in the gym today and it's LIKE
i HAD i don't, know there was multiple people in my.
Gym they have their tripod set up and they're coming
at different. Angles they get, done they move the, camera,
editing all that. Stuff but it's what you gotta do
to make. It, man he's probably solid.

Speaker 1 (03:30:58):
Halfway through his morning. Route, Seen so that's.

Speaker 2 (03:31:02):
Okay what else we? Got it's? Funny, wow that's bag?

Speaker 24 (03:31:07):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (03:31:12):
Nice why camera is still? There? Bro he left?

Speaker 3 (03:31:20):
It three?

Speaker 11 (03:31:25):
Two?

Speaker 1 (03:31:25):
What?

Speaker 2 (03:31:32):
Wow look at that?

Speaker 12 (03:31:34):
Move?

Speaker 2 (03:31:37):
Crazy this has to be A saratoga. COMMERCIAL i would.
ASSUME i bet it.

Speaker 1 (03:31:45):
Was, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:32:04):
So he's looking at content of.

Speaker 16 (03:32:06):
Himself you've major first ten, thousand, congratulations we got to
do at least twenty bro.

Speaker 15 (03:32:18):
H.

Speaker 2 (03:32:18):
Him then, yeah who in The West, Watson we're gonna
d a. Collab.

Speaker 1 (03:32:23):
Bro it's so. Contrived But i'm Sure sarahtoga is probably
paying him for all the exposure they get from his.
VIDEOS i THOUGHT i hadn't seen that when he did first,
SOLID i was, like, oh that blue, Bottle i've seen.

Speaker 2 (03:32:38):
That what is?

Speaker 1 (03:32:39):
That and THEN i figure, Out, oh It's saratoga mineral.
Water oh, Okay like so it even caused me to
like figure out what it.

Speaker 2 (03:32:45):
Was but m, Guy, yeah it's so. Contrived it's got.

Speaker 3 (03:32:50):
You.

Speaker 1 (03:32:50):
Bro he did he dry his face with a banana? Peel?
Yes he, did blue skittle he.

Speaker 2 (03:32:55):
Did in, fact guy likes banana peels on his. Face,
okay it's all, Right he's a lot to like, bananas. Right?

Speaker 1 (03:33:04):
Good oh, Man SO i think that was that was
like one of my my last, things, yeah for for.
Today but what are your what are your general thoughts
and everything that we looked?

Speaker 2 (03:33:20):
At, yeah, MAN i think overall one my main thing
that we had chatted about is especially on the science
side the, whole, Like, okay how can you make these scientific?
Claims you can't claim morality good and? Bad and then
you see that feed into the personal trainer influencer, world, right, Like,

(03:33:46):
lord have mercy On joey for caving because he doesn't
have a back you, know, man he doesn't have a.
Backbone is anything to stand?

Speaker 1 (03:33:53):
On?

Speaker 2 (03:33:54):
Right so was? Morality?

Speaker 1 (03:33:55):
WHAT i think he had no, Foundation so he's probably
maybe he's you, KNOW i think he's kind of right
of center, maybe but you, know it doesn't seem like
he really has any foundational. PRINCIPLE i don't think He's
christian at least he's never ever expressed A christian sentiment
or belief In christ or anything like. That and his

(03:34:16):
ginormous influence or at least Did i'm not sure what
the same impact or if he's noticed the drop off
after this whole fiasco or, not but, yeah it shows,
this you, know this, big, muscular you, know masculine. Man
and then he's apologizing because he said colored instead of
people of, color. Yep and he's you, know apologizing because
he dressed up Like Hulk, cogan which in that video

(03:34:38):
he said he was his childhood hero and like really
impacted his. Life, okay, well what does that have to
do with anything That Hulk hogan did and the rest
of his. Life it doesn't. Matter it doesn't matter IF
i you, know not THAT i, Would but IF i
wore AN. O. J Simpson Buffalo bill's, jersey DO i
have to? Apologize dide you might be onto something.

Speaker 2 (03:35:00):
There there's gonna BE O Jay.

Speaker 1 (03:35:01):
Simps we're gonna BE O. J Simms Buffalo. Bilber, anyways it's,
just you, know From Mike, Israetel Lane, Norton jeff knipperd
To Joey. Swoll you, KNOW i think it's just important
for people to see the paradigms in the worldviews that
a lot of these fitness influencers are coming from and

(03:35:22):
realize that they're incredibly. Manipultable they they really don't stand on.
MUCH i, mean when you look at who are those
that were outspoken about THE covid, jabs not. Many there's
a handful of people that Said i'm not getting, It
i'm not gonna get, it or, talked you, know critically about,
it but they weren't really the major. Accounts they weren't
the people with millions of. Subscribers it's like those people

(03:35:45):
ended up staying fairly, quiet or LIKE knipperd And norton
just fully endorsing.

Speaker 2 (03:35:51):
IT i Think Bradley, MARTIN i remember they shut his gym, down,
right he tried to stay, open but he tried to stay,
OPEN i.

Speaker 9 (03:35:58):
Believe, yeah the fines and then and then he won
uh in like twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four
and got his money.

Speaker 1 (03:36:06):
Back, yeah so good for. Him, again don't support all
the onlyfan stuff you know he, promotes but good For
Bradley martin for at, least you, know having some. Principles.

Speaker 2 (03:36:16):
Yep, yeah, NO i was trying to just think off
the top of my, head like who what what people?
Did stand? Up you AND i were remember, that, realize
realize real life thinking that's.

Speaker 1 (03:36:27):
Right you know when we.

Speaker 2 (03:36:28):
Had what did you? Have like seven thousand followers AND
i probably five or? Six, yeah twenty, twenty right when
were you you were starting?

Speaker 1 (03:36:37):
Over oh, jeez in twenty, twenty this YouTube channel maybe
had one thousand, subscribers probably maybe two. Thousand it wasn't very. Big, yeah,
yeah on twenty, twenty.

Speaker 2 (03:36:49):
Go back and watch that one. Folks we were coming
at You live twenty twenty Called, Realize, Realize Real. LIFE
i REMEMBER i, asked, you, go, dude we should stream
about what's going on right now because we're not very
many level, heads right we were, chatting you know what was to? Come?
Right how does this? Look are they going to have
some type of miracle? Medicine and, YEAH i remember screwed.

(03:37:13):
Up Nevsky Ian smith was a guy In New. Jersey
he kept his gym. OPEN i was an ocean. Side
they Arrested. Lou the gym is called Metro. Flex they
stayed open the whole time they came and arrested. Him
and you, KNOW i mean the gym was full of police,
officers marine, like you know WHAT i. Mean and they
literally came out and put him in, handcuffs took him.
In So, lou it's gonna make feel. Bad shout out To.

(03:37:37):
Lou but he was an ocean side at Metro flex
at the, time because you, know it was mostly In
california that that was going down in Where bradley was.
In he's in Uh Woodland, HILLS i Think la. Area you,
know you could get away with. It a small town
Like i'm in Bois, now my, hometown you could have
got away with. It but In, california, dude, right they

(03:37:57):
were like going after people on the. BEACH i went
to go hiking and they had like signs up like
where you parked to go hike, somewhere and they're, like
get back in your. Car they had they had like
tape around the local. Park LIKE i was just trying
to go and do pull ups and stuff at the
local parks and they had like it. All they took
down basketball, nets, bro they literally took down basketball. Nets

(03:38:17):
they literally went out and put zip ties like this
was like four years.

Speaker 1 (03:38:22):
Ago that's WHAT i Told ginny today because she was
reflecting on a memory FROM covid AND i, go you,
know that was five years, ago and she's, like what
Fi oh my, god she feels like two years. AGO
i was, like, yeah it. Does it does feel like
it was just the other, Day friday.

Speaker 2 (03:38:41):
The, Thirteenth march twenty. TWENTY i remember it Was friday, Thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (03:38:46):
And that's crazy how LONG i, mean it's it's five
and a half years. Ago, yeah five and a half
years ago was the, lockdown and it does not feel
that long.

Speaker 2 (03:38:55):
Ago at all, well in glory To. God you, know
that's why we have we do still remember. It we
should like the tyranny that. Happen oh, dude you look.
Back they literally went out and zip tied Basketball.

Speaker 1 (03:39:11):
Like who like what they put sand in a skate? Park,
yeah they covered The escape park in venice and. Sand
it's Unreal Sceneial moonwalker throws in two bots and, says
any book suggestions On World war two? History you, KNOW

(03:39:31):
i can't say. THAT i have a bunch of books
that come to. Mind the only one that comes immediately
to my mind Is Pat Buchanan's Oh ye was?

Speaker 4 (03:39:43):
It?

Speaker 2 (03:39:43):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (03:39:44):
Churchill hitler and The Unnecessary?

Speaker 2 (03:39:46):
War Unnecessary?

Speaker 1 (03:39:47):
War that one's a pretty good. One, obviously there's some
controversial documentaries you can get into.

Speaker 2 (03:39:55):
Online there's one About.

Speaker 1 (03:39:58):
EUROPE I i, say probably the best person to answer
that question Is Darryl, Gosh i'm having a brain, fart
the guy that was On Tucker. Carlson, Yeah Darryl cooper's
series On World War. Two he covers all the, books
he even Reads David, Irving SO i would, recommend AND

(03:40:20):
i think he shares the books that he. Reads Sadeiro.
Moonwalker so if you're really wanting to do a deep
dive Into World War, TWO i would check Out Darryl
cooper's podcast On World War, two or maybe referred to some,
interviews because he refers to a tons of really interesting
books THAT i have not. READ i can't say THAT
i spent a lot of time diving Into World war two.

(03:40:42):
Literature so that's WHAT i, would at least for, me
that's WHAT i would. Recommend.

Speaker 2 (03:40:48):
Brother oh, NO i was thinking About Jupiter's, moon is
WHAT i was thinking.

Speaker 1 (03:40:53):
ABOUT i have not read. THAT i don't even know
that book.

Speaker 2 (03:40:56):
Is, yeah never, mind there's A jupiter. Moon, yeah, Yeah,
aropa have you ever heard About jupiter's?

Speaker 1 (03:41:10):
Moon, okay, YEAH i, okay, Okay i'm picking up what
you're putting.

Speaker 2 (03:41:17):
Down and how good like The israelis are at, dancing you, Know.

Speaker 1 (03:41:21):
I'm picking up what you're putting. Down.

Speaker 2 (03:41:22):
Now, yeah that's not a movie, though that's documentary On
Jupiter's Moon. Europa it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (03:41:29):
Good pablo winskebar throws in five SAYS i got to pay.
Up this has been a great. Stream thank you, Gents,
well thank You, Pablo god bless. You, brother appreciate you
being here and appreciate everybody who's shown support. Today god
bless you. GUYS a smaddle Of jupiter moon. Screwups, yeah
he got me the last battle Of jupiter's.

Speaker 5 (03:41:49):
Moon.

Speaker 1 (03:41:53):
Nevskin he's picking up what you're putting down for. Sure
uh n ZO m throws in twe thank you so.
Much In, zoe he, Says i'm A ctcuman right, now
And i'm worried about losing a lot of weight during
fast Because i'm already skinny even WHEN i feel LIKE
i stuff my face to gain, mass AND i don't
want to get even skinnier or be a. Glutton, bro

(03:42:18):
go talk to your.

Speaker 2 (03:42:18):
Priests, MAN i don't know who your priest is or
your spiritual father. Is in my, OPINION i see a
lot Of catecumans come in and they go straight into the,
fast and depending on who your spiritual father is or your,
priest they'll be, like, dude don't, honestly you're a, catechumen
like like this Is go talk to your, Priests go
talk to your spiritual. Father but right the point of

(03:42:41):
the fast is to not.

Speaker 1 (03:42:45):
Eat so there are, particulars like there's a down your
appetite in regards to all your, passions so it's it's
a spiritual. Exercise the point of the fast it is not,
about you, know optimizing. Health it's a about tampering your
the spiritual and satiating your passions and your. APPETITE i

(03:43:06):
would recommend one of.

Speaker 2 (03:43:07):
The bers at my, church he'll he'll just straight out,
say like step one is eating. Less that is the
whole point of the fast is denying. Yourself then you
start worrying about, meat, oil blah blah blah all that other.
Stuff but every priest kind of has a different. Opinion
god's put you in a place of a spiritual father
and you go to him and you talk about. It
and then, too if you have a. DOCTOR i have

(03:43:28):
people THAT i have lots Of orthodox and that they
have like skin, issues they have, weight weight, issues, anorexia
all these different, things AND i literally, say, Hey i'm your,
doctor this is What i'd recommend from a health. Standpoint
your priest Will almost every every person That i've had
that has a spiritual, father WHEN i, say, hey they
have skin, issues can we do a carnivore diet on?

(03:43:51):
THEM i know the fast is coming. Up let's do
this this or. This take that to your, priest and
most priests are, like, yeah if you're you, know perfurios.
Patios many of the saints when they got, sick their
diets were, edited you know WHAT i, mean due to.
Doctors so, like don't become worldly about. It BUT i
think you go to your priests and you say stuff like,
this and you, know on our, end make sure you
get enough. Protein, honestly just make sure you Get that's

(03:44:13):
like goal number one during the. Fast if you get enough,
protein you're not a severe clerk. Deficit BUT i do
say that in the, FAST i personally try and lose
a little bit of. Weight that's kind of the, point,
Right IF i go into the fast AND i gain,
weight Then i'm Not i'm Not i'm not doing it.
Right LIKE i don't think you should be bulking during your.
Fast and that's why the church has the feasts and

(03:44:35):
the famines and the different parts of the. Year like
my priest says that he, goes we have time for.
Feasting it's not like you're supposed to be denying yourself
all the. Time we have feasts for a. Reason we
have fast for a, reason, Right like everyone gets. Excited
we have you, know meat, fair we have cheese. Week
these things are put there for a. Purpose and you,
know most every spiritual father their priest That i've talked

(03:44:58):
to has been super understandable about. That they know more than.
Me but from a doctor, PERSPECTIVE i think most often
if you bring that, up your priests will work with
you and you can just, say, Hey i'm working On i'm,
Small i'm trying to put one. Weight it's better for my.
Health we're doing the. Fast where does this?

Speaker 1 (03:45:13):
Go? Father AND i will add one, thing let me
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(03:45:36):
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(03:46:01):
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during all that fasting. Period check out that cookbook that
may be of use for. You i'm not totally, sure but,
yeah that's a good, resource Good orthodox resource if you need.
One so and then, anyways let me just double check

(03:46:23):
if we have any other super chats or questions or.
Comments you have any final final comments or conclusion for
today's topic on the fitness industry and many of the
more influential figures within.

Speaker 2 (03:46:41):
It, YEAH i think from my, perspective is just really
like seeing them put science as the, god and ultimately
you can't do, that. Right you had a pretty good
rant about the you, know objective reality. Materialism science is
not a. Worldview it's a tool to help you collect,
data and they they towed it like a, religion AND

(03:47:03):
i think it's super important for. Us that's what we
see happens to a lot of, people even during you,
know even With orthodox people during the, virus they were
plenty of people who were pro. Science listen to, science
do these things that go against The. Church it's, like,
Dude christ comes. First we've lived through The black, Plague
we've lived through all these different, things and Really jesus

(03:47:25):
is the way in the truth of. Life he is the.
Logos he's the operating system by which everything makes. Sense,
right you have to have, truth you have to have
objective truth for science to even, work and they skip
right past, that, Right AND i just that's the thing
that kind OF i think that's kind of the humunistic
movement is getting to this whole science based. World so,

(03:47:49):
NO i.

Speaker 1 (03:47:50):
Agree and as we pointed, out you, know science is
not a, worldview it's not a. Paradigm you correctly point,
out it's a it's a mechanism for information, gathering understanding empirical.
Knowledge but people fall victim to scientism and allow it
to become this overarching paradigm in worldview which they view.

(03:48:12):
Themselves as we saw With, Norton israetel And nippert that
everything they say is now backed by the, experts and
it is dogmatic in that, sense things are written down
and then everybody falls in order and doesn't question the.
Dogma and you, KNOW i think this is really. Problematic
and as we talked about with, health it's just so

(03:48:32):
diverse it's hard to MAKE i, mean just with you
talking about testosterone and how specific it is to the,
individual and yet some of these again and that's how
you get the, content that's how you get the. Followers
but making these, large grandiose claims about things we just
As Orthodox christianity to keep in, mind like what our purpose.
IS i love, FITNESS i love working, out love getting a.

(03:48:54):
PUMP i know you. Do we've worked out multiple, times
AND i think all that's. Great we just have to
make sure that our priorities first begin With, christ The,
church our, faith and everything funnels down from. That and
so the point of getting a great physique is to be,
healthy strong and fit for your, family for service to.
Others and if it really is like most of these

(03:49:15):
fitness influencers just to show your physique to other people
so you can get, adulation well then you're into a
world where you just worship. Yourself and in that world
they just use science to justify. It. Yep so, anyways,
brother thanks so much for coming. On god bless.

Speaker 2 (03:49:36):
You uh there's always to be. BACK i always love,
Interacting LIKE i, SAID i you know a lot of
the guys from your channel end up overcoming and seeing,
me and you, Know skittles comes over and says hi quite,
often and it's always good. Man It's alwa's pleasure to
chat and being heads. Together well what's your? Give you
give it where people can get.

Speaker 1 (03:49:54):
You and, yeah and you're let me tag you too
in the, TITLE i didn't tag your YouTube?

Speaker 2 (03:49:58):
Channel yeah, no you, KNOW i think at this point
it's Doctor Michael. Mohler you'll find me out On. Instagram so,
YEAH i mostly talked. PEPTIDES i actually too with my
reader from, church Reader, sarah and we do a channel
Called Visionally. Orthodox we've had four or five episodes out and,

(03:50:21):
yeah we were a little slow the last couple of
months because we've been. Out you can probably find. Us
we're small. STILL i don't know if we got a hundred,
Subs so it's.

Speaker 1 (03:50:30):
Just go follow, yeah visually.

Speaker 2 (03:50:34):
Vigilantly oh, yeah stay sober and. Vigilant Visually orthodox got
a couple episodes we are, right, yep that was four months.
Ago you. Know it's kind of coffee hour. Stuff you,
know my the reader up here AND i became really

(03:50:55):
really good. Friends he's a wealth of knowledge like any you,
know it's kind of guy you sit down at coffee
hour with and you're there for two or three hours
talking about he you, know and.

Speaker 1 (03:51:04):
He's actually in.

Speaker 2 (03:51:10):
Fire fire as. Things, yeah he's actually in the dacnet,
Too so you, know he just. Learned he's in. Liturgics you,
know he's learned a lot Of slavonic and he was
a major history buff, before so wealth and. Knowledge him
AND i just you, KNOW i kind of go back and.
Forth this last. Week we talked about, Liturgics we talked
about my trip To. Athos you, know we get a
little talking about Ancient rome or you know protestantsuff, o

(03:51:34):
the fun stuff that usually chat about it.

Speaker 1 (03:51:36):
College what Good man doesn't talk About?

Speaker 2 (03:51:37):
Rome, yep always, Always so, yeah if you, guys would you,
know check some of that stuff, out leave us some
comments because him AND i just sit down and shoot
from the cup about a couple of different comments. Topics you,
know we chatted About, pasca do you. Know to, me
the point of the podcast was really like you're coming
Into orthodox and how many of these things you're in
the church for a year and you're, like what's door?

(03:51:59):
Mission you know WHAT i? Mean or Like Holy week you,
don't you. Know so we just chatted about some of
the stuff that gets brought up that is not how
SHALL i, say common, knowledge you, know just like what's
the difference in salvation theosis some of that fun. Stuff so,
yeah stop, by say, hi leave us some comments and

(03:52:19):
let us know what you think about the. Show i'm
sure the good reader And i'd enjoy it all.

Speaker 1 (03:52:23):
Right, well thank you brother for being. Here god bless,
you and you're an incredible resource of. Information and of
course we'll have to do another one here in the near.
Future it has been too long since last time we did a.
STREAM i think both our lives have been a little
busy as of. Recent twenty twenty five has been a busy.

Speaker 2 (03:52:41):
Year. YEAH i enjoyed, this, MAN i love watching. Content
it's always fun chatting with. You and, YEAH i know
we should do one probably on. Peptides we can do
a deep.

Speaker 1 (03:52:49):
Dive, yeah we need to dive into.

Speaker 2 (03:52:51):
Peptides, yeah, absolutely that'd be a great. Stream, yeah so
we'll do it, again, man glad, always thanks for the.
Hospitality everyone love you.

Speaker 1 (03:52:59):
Guys pray for me please same for me as well
and my. Wife so, anyways thank you all for supporting the.
Stream thanks everybody for being. Here oh screwed up Nevsky
cotal grew member for ten, months say fire, Stream thank
you so, Much Doctor david and Doctor. Michael, well thank
you for being. Here god bless you, guys and have

(03:53:19):
a wonderful. Weekend god bless you, all AND i will be.
BACK i got a drama alert and an End times
Another Escanton vigil End time stream coming up this next,
week so we may do One sunday, night but definitely
got a handful of streams and reaching out to some.

(03:53:41):
People i'm going to be seeing a handful of familiar
faces coming on to do some interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:53:46):
Streams.

Speaker 1 (03:53:46):
All, hey when's the national.

Speaker 2 (03:53:49):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (03:53:51):
Like november, sixteenth. Seventeenth that's oh, yeah by the, Way
i've Already, chad and that's going to a fund to
help me and my wife go down To nashville to
hang out at the. Bakecon or you're talking About dyer's.

Speaker 2 (03:54:03):
Thing, yeah that's, it well both of, them, right.

Speaker 1 (03:54:06):
Because that's In. Florida that's.

Speaker 24 (03:54:07):
It that's that's at the end Of, november and Then
debaatecon is In nashville at Like november, Sixteenth So i'm
pretty sure The florida conference is the twentieth to the twenty.

Speaker 2 (03:54:18):
Third, yeah back to back weekends.

Speaker 1 (03:54:20):
For, you so back to back weekends to. Travel, yeah busy,
Month november busy. Month So, anyways, GUYS i will see
you all in the next one as, always until, Then god,
bless

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