From Prophecy to Politics: The History of Christian Zionism (Part 1)

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is David
Patrick carry but Church of the Eternal Logos, and we
have an interesting stream today. This stream is one that
I haven't yet done, and honestly, it is something that
I should have probably already have done, and that is
a deep dive into Christian Zionism and dispensationalist theology. Now

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I had thought about this probably a couple of weeks ago.
You had heard me mention in doing this stream, but
perfect timing. In the last week or so, we've seen
that Congress is on recess, and many of our beloved
political leaders are over in Israel, and of course Trump

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just yesterday, I think that it's now been changed. The
DHS changed it, but was discussing that if there's any
cities in America or states that may decide they want
to boycott Israel for the ongoing genocide in Gaza, you
would not actually get funding for any sort of natural

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disaster that may occur. So we are obviously, and we've
talked about Zionism before on this channel multiple times. In
regards to the American political context, I mean, it is
the official dispensation of foreign or disposition of foreign policy.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Dispensation.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Disposition of American foreign policy is through this lens, especially
in regards to the public Republican Party, but it's through
this prism of Christian Zionism. And so today this is
a Part one of a part two stream. I've put
together a massive study guide for today's topic. It's actually

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the largest I've ever made. It's thirty pages, and it
took me a couple of days to actually prepare for
this stream, and I found a few interesting surprises along
the way, and I'm sure those are going to come
up through today's stream. But this part one stream is
really going to be focusing on presenting the development of

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Christian Zionism. And ironically the foundation was not set by Darby.
You know, most people are going to talk about Derby
in regards to being the father of dispensation, which he was,
and rapture eschatology, the pre tribulational rapture stuff. Absolutely, John
Nelson Darby is the source for that stuff. But interestingly,

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this stream actually connects with the sponsor stream on protest Puritanism,
sorry Puritanism that I did last week. You're thinking, what
how does puritanism have to do with this? Well, it's
actually the Puritans, through their literal biblical exit Jesus, if
you will, I would say it's more of an isa Jesus.

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But through their exit Jesus, they believed that Jews were
going they had to be restored to the Holy Land.
And this has to do with a literal reading of
the biblical prophecies of the Old Testament and perceiving that
they are yet to be fulfilled. It's actually the Puritans
that now caveat. They did believe that the Jews were

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going to convert to Christianity, and they thought once the
Jews got their homeland that there would be a mass
awakening to Christianity. So a little bit different than contemporary
Christian Zionism. But the goal for today is to really
focus on the American context. So we're going to look
at the history of Christian Zionism. We're going to refute

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Christian Zionism from an orthodox perspective, and then we're going
to see how Christian Zionism is deeply embedded within the
American political system. Now, Part two of this stream is
going to be focused on Israel, and so that's going
to be over at the Logos Academy and I encourage
everybody here to go sign up. I promise you it

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is worthy of the membership. There's tons of content. We're
doing groups all the time. We just had a fitness
meeting last night. But we're gonna be in the part too.
We're gonna be looking at more specifically Jewish eschatology, the
Greater Israel project, and the events unfolding in the Middle
East concerning Iran, Syria, all this different stuff, and how

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does this relate to Christian Zionism and why this is
really an urgent matter, and so in that stream, I'll
be a little bit more free and again that's going
to be recorded tomorrow and up on the Academy for members,
obviously discussing this topic and being an Orthodox Christian, which
we are not Zionist, we are not dispensational. As Father

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Turbo has rightfully said multiple times, you cannot be an
Orthodox Christian and be a Zionist because we are the Church,
we are the true Israel. We are the ones upholding
the Second Covenant, and this dualistic covenant, dual covenant theology
that still venerates and idolizes the ethnic identity of Jews

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for this more material, political worldly understanding of God's salviafic
work somehow's not done, and that the Jews God's work,
the real work is some of these dispensational Zionists say
the real work has to do with God's salvific plan
for Israel. So this dream, we're gonna be again going

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over the history, refuting it, talking, you know, and I
put together a few points why I think this particular
Christian heresy. I mean, it's accumulation of multiple heresies. I
have five ancient heresies that I kind of identified, and
I'm going to articulate those in the opening monologue before
we start getting into the nitty gritty of today's topic.

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I've identified five ancient heresies and then one heresy that's
kind of a new heresy, you could say. But I
also put together why the American ethos, in the American
mind was really shaped and so susceptible to Christian Zionism.
I then once we get through all the monologue, I'm
gonna show you again my notes. We're not going to

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go over all of it again. It's very long that
is available for everybody at the Logos Academy as well.
Those show notes what I call study guides, are always
made available. Then I have videos of Pat Robinson, how Lindsey,
and John Hagy so that we can hear the Christian
Zionists from their mouth. And I got multiple links from

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X almost like a drama alert stream demonstrating the influence
that Christian Zionism had, And everything that I'm showing is
basically from the last week, except going back and watching
a clip from Ted Cruise's interview with Tucker Carlson which
he explicitly states the only reason or the sole reason

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for him becoming a US Senator was to essentially be
a politician on behalf of Israel. And he claims this
comes from his Christian heritage, in his Christian faith. But
we're gonna see that this dispensational Christian Zionism isn't even
two hundred years old. I mean, this thing is relatively
young and for it to have according to one statistics

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in my show notes, I found at least one article
stating that eighty percent, eighty to eighty five percent of
American evangelicals are Christian Zionists, and that's roughly around like
fifty million people. And then in the globe there's like
seventy five million to eighty five million. So the vast

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majority of Christian Zionists are again, if we're going to
get into the demographic, are typically white Evangelical or Protestant
Baptist Christians in America. And that was one of the
interesting things that I found is that there is a
different sentiment towards Christian Zionism between even the black community

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and the white Evangelical community. And I've seen that dispensationalism
even creeping into some of the Catholic apologies. I've seen
some Catholics be articulated sort of Christian Zionism. And of
course that one guy was an apostate prophet, who was it.

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He's a catechumen, I mean, doesn't even have a blessing
to teach Orthodox He didn't he do a debate with
Andrew Wilson shout out to the Wilsons where he was
trying to defend Christian Zionism as an Orthodox Christian, which
these are mutually incompatible worldviews. Again, you cannot be an
Orthodox Christian because of our belief of what the Church is.

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And that's really the foundational distinction here. Again, I have
all their eschatology, I have what they think about the
anti Christ, which again, some of that stuff can be
a little bit controversial, so we're going to go into
more details about it in the part two stream. Obviously
I can be a little bit more free with my
opinion and things that I say in those But one

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of the interesting things I found about Christian Zionists is
how they identify who the Antichrist is. So obviously we've
talked to I've done multiple eschatology streams here from an
Orthodox perspective, and one of the consistent things that we
talk about is that the Antichrist is an inversion of Christ.

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But we believe, according to our tradition, that he will
be a Jew who rules this one world government from Jerusalem.
Now the Zionists also believe the Antichrist will rule from Jerusalem. However,
the most common view that I was able to find
actually believes that he's going to be a gentile. And

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when I was looking for examples of what dispensationalists and
Zionists actually think about the Antichrist, the the metaphor that
kept coming up is Europe the EU. Now, obviously I'm
not in favor of the EU. My sentiments more nationalistic
politically as an Orthodox Christian favor a religious monarchy. However,

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those very different from the American context. But for Zionists,
they actually believe that the Antichrist will be more of
like a charismatic white European man, which is very interesting,
and actually the minority opinion in Christian Zionism is that
the Antichrist would be Jewish. I did not expect that.
I just assumed that that would have been something that

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was seen by both parties. But no, and in fact,
within Christian Zionist communities there are minority views that do
believe that he will be Jewish so that the Jews
will accept him as their Messiah. But this is a
minority opinion, and even other Zionists belie, believe or accuse

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people that believe that the Antichrist will be Jewish as
an anti Semitic trope. And this is one of the
reasons why it really hasn't gained a whole lot of traction.
There is a sort of weird syncretic view within Zionism
that he's going to appear Jewish or Middle Eastern descent,
but he's actually going to be of a gentile political system.

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And so just you know, just analyzing how they and
we got a whole timeline, so I did. I did
a deep dive into their eschatology and have a whole
timeline of the activities that they believe have to unfold
what the Antichrist will do. How this relates to Israel.
All of that stuff is in my study guide. So
we'll get into that here in just a few But

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to begin, you know what is Christian Zionist. I assume
most of you guys already understand what it is, and
Darby essentially differentiates. So he's the one that really emphasizes
this dispanse sational understanding of history regarding seven different stages. Now,
he's not the first one you've heard me talk about.

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Yakima Fiore, the Catholic during the eleven hundreds, who he
himself was a millenarian, claimed to be a prophet, claimed
to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, and he had
a sort of dispensational framework of three different ages, of
which he believed he was the prophet of the beginning
of the third age, in which the Holy Spirit engaged

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with spiritual men directly, and therefore he sort of disavowed
the hierarchy of the church, the sacraments, things like these
in favor of really a sort of proto Protestant spirituality.
That's Yakima Fiora. You can look him up and look
deeper into what exactly I'm saying now, Darby what he

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does and with the Plymouth Brethren, he develops this idea
again actually founded within the Puritan system and their literal
biblical reading, that the prophecies of the Old Testament are
uniquely for Jews, current modern day Jews, and that they
need to be for Christ to come back for the

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Second Coming, they need to be restored to their homeland.
Then Christians, you're saying, okay, And this is actually the
sort of the primary focus then of their eschological worldview
is that what they call again the real Work, is
that God is not done with Israel and that he

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is going to return the people back to their homeland,
build up the nation of Israel. Obviously, this is tied
with the Greater Israel project, because Jews themselves believe that
the Messiah is going to come once they regain their
biblical territory and the church, the Christians then are going
to be raptured before the actual tribulational period, which is

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really going to be a sort of purification of Israel,
and so the Christians are essentially spiritualized. And I'm gonna
get into these heresies and how I believe it actually
ties with things like Motanism and you know, the Ebionites
and Judaizing, all this different stuff. But you can then
see from this framework. And then so Darby puts out

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this sort of hermeneutic. It becomes very popular. And then Schofield,
We're gonna look into see Ice Schofield and his Scofield Bible.
In nineteen oh nine, he does a Bible with footnotes
all through the prism of Darby's pre tribulational rapture theology,
this dispensationalist theology, and this becomes essentially the best selling

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Bible in America. Now again returning back to the Puritanism stream,
we talked about the first Grade Awakening and the Second
Grade Awakening, and how the second grade Awakening had much
more of a Pentecostal emotional vibe to it. Because one
of the things for the Puritans, and this was true
for John Edwards and his grandfather, is that one of

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the problems did you had to have a real come
to Jesus moment, You had to have a true conversion experience,
and this was rooted in a sort of emotionalism, a
true sort of mystical encounter. And some people wanted to
become Empuritans, but they didn't have this experience or they
didn't have anybody to sort of validate that they had it.

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And so the second grade awakening is there's really a revival,
a spiritual revival for people to say, hey, I've had
my come to Jesus experience, now you can join the church.
So that Pentecostal emotional flavor really colors the second grade awakening.
And I'm going to argue that even the fusion between

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American politics, secular American politics, and Christian Zionism is another
way for this emotive process that really this is uniquely American.
But the first thing that I want to get into
is why I think America was particularly so susceptible to
Christian Zionism. So the Schofield Bible dominate becomes the best

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selling Bible with its study notes, and it's one of
the first Bibles to actually have in depth study notes. Now,
if you have an Orthodox study Bible, which every person
I recommend to do, you can go down here and
you can read our footnotes so that you can understand
how scripture is interpreted from an Orthodox perspective. And Genesis twelve. Again,
this is what Ted Cruz is referring to in the

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interview with Tucker Carlson. We was talking about, well, well,
my Christian belief told me that those who bless Israel
will be blessed. Well, that is the promise to Abraham.
Abraham is not Jewish, he's actually a gentile, and it's
talking about this lineage which then is fulfilled in the

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Christian Church. Now, you can go back to your footnotes
and if anybody wants to, we can read the footnotes
if you really want me to, but you can just
pull up your Orthodox study Bible and then you can
see how the interpretations. And really this is what I
call an isa Jesus exit Jesus is like pulling the
meaning out of a reading, or in this case, scripture
is of Jesus is rereading the lens into the scripture.

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And I would argue that's exactly what Darby did an
American again, this American Evangelical Protestant America. They then took
the Schofield Bible and they began reading scripture through the
isogetic prism of Darby, and this just became sort of
the again, the dominant evangelical opinion. So we're gonna get

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into all that history. But why in America? Why is
America so susceptible to this compared to other places. The
first thing that I thought about was obviously the Protestant
foundations of America, and that's going to connect with the
Puritanism and their literal reading. But the solo scripture, you know,

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the sort of modern exegetical techniques, critical theory, all this
different stuff is tied with the ethos of America. This
Purian the Puritan typeology of America as the new Israel. Right.
So the way that the Puritans viewed themselves, and we
talked about this again in that Old Stream last week,

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when they came to America, they viewed themselves as God's
chosen people fleeing what they called European Egypt. Right, So
Egypt has fallen. The Puritans coming to America, especially that
second wave in sixteen thirty with John Winthrop, where we
get like twenty to twenty five thousand, maybe thirty thousand

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Puritans come. They viewed themselves as the chosen people, and
they viewed America in a very millenarian utopian understanding and
that they were fleeing again the pagan world, the old
world of Europe, which I found interesting. There's not necessarily
a direct connection, but it's interesting then that modern day
Christian Zionists, when when they think of Antichrist or they

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begin to describe the machinations of Antichrist, it's always European
gentiles that are usually or European Gentile political systems that
are articulated. So this new myth of America being Israel,
I think, is one of the foundational catalysts for why
America particularly was such fertile ground for this. And we

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didn't have a historical church, right, so some of the
other churches in Europe were able to defend themselves from
Zionism to the same degree because they had a tradition,
they had a traditional exegesis, they had a traditional understanding,
and they were rooted in more hierarchy. As we talked
about the Puritans. They weren't interested in hierarchy. They were

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interested in democratization, which I think again is another thing
that ties into Christian Zionism because what is the trope, Well,
Israel's the only democracy in the Middle East. So why
is Crecy tied to a sort of theological framework of
what we have to do? So this self identification with

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Israel made the American psyche attune to the Israelite motifs covenant, conquest, mission,
and chosenness and prepared this theology that viewed modern Israel
as the continuation of the biblical drama. The second thing,
and I talked about this before, is that America is
rooted within a millenarian framework. Again, when John Winthrop came,

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he talked about that this was the shining city on
a hill, this was the projected endpoint of history. America
was the American was a man emancipated from the from
the problems of history. He gets to recreate the historical person.
And so millenarianism and utopianism is deeply embedded within the

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American project. This is even even within secure political terms.
I mean you talked with assive left winger. They're still
you know, dripping with the American millennial spirit. Now they
have a different framework. They could be a Marxist, they
could be some social justice warrior, whatever it may be. Well,

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what you get down to what it is they're moving
for and it's always a worldly utopia. This is rooted
within the American psyche. And obviously this is tied with
the impetus for these Christian Zionists to essentially usher in
the end times. They are a sense of accelerationists. Now
for them, they would argue because they want Jesus to

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come back. And I'm going to talk about, especially in
the part too, how this is all tied with an
Antichrist spirit. I mean, if you're an orthodox Christian Christian Zionism,
it is a heresy. It's actually a collection of multiple heresies,
which I'm getting ready to argue, but it's deeper than that.
This truly is a demonic anti christ spirit. And because

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of people believing, and it's really a prideful belief that
they're chosen, they're special. We're the people defending the chosen people.
In a sense, because you're defending the chosen people, you're
also chosen by God, You're spiritually chosen, they're ethnically chosen,
they're chosen by blood, you're chosen by the spirit. This
is kind of the Christian Zionis ethos, and so Darby's

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are sort of rapture. Theology was fervently embraced by Americans
and the Schofield Bible, as I said, published and popularize
this to an extent that really does not take place
in any other area in the world. It is an
American phenomenon that the Schofield Bible just blows up. And
this is tied then with an American exceptionalism, right. I mean,

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I'm rooted in these ethos. I'm not different than you guys,
but we grow up with this idea that America is unique.
America is an exceptional you know, the historical critiques of
Empire don't apply to America somehow, and so Americans often
believe their nation is a special tool of God's will.
And you see the Maga movement. You see how they

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embrace Donald Trump as a I mean literally in blasphemous terms.
Will they sort of equate him or relate him to Christ.
This is all part of this sort of again, this
American ethos, and that's why they believe that America plays
a divinely inspired role in helping fulfill prophecy by supporting

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the nation state of Israel. That was my second point.
So the first one is the Protestant foundations of America.
The second one is the millinery and apocalyptic spirit of America,
both be it secular or religious. The third one is
the democratic identity of America. So the decentralization of America.

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Unlike the churches in Europe, right, American Christianity evolved in
the sort of decentralized, often non hierarchical, free market of
religious culture. And this allowed for all these revivalist movements
and these various preachers that have their own interpretation. And
then broadcasters tell evangelists as we'll run a watch with

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Pat Robinson and John Hagy and Hal lindsay like this
is you see, it's it's the incorporation of these ideas
within the sort of democratic, capitalistic structure of America that
it proliferates. And so again regarding the revivals, tint tent revivals,
prophecy conferences, radio and television ministries has spread dispensationalism where

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and this is the interesting thing. It's a generational difference.
I was looking into and I don't have I forget
I don't think I kept it in my web browser.
But you look at the generational difference even amongst Baptists,
even amongst evangelical Christians. The millennials and the gen Zers
are not that Zionist. Even within those churches, it just

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doesn't resonate with the young people like it does specifically
with the Boomers. The Boomers are by far the most
Zionist generation, but Gen Xers as well. But it's a
very interesting phenomenon that's happening right now because even in
evangelical circles, the young people are not fully buying the

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Zionist disposition, and so Zionism and dispensational theology is also
tied with a sort of populist theology. I would argue
that American religious culture favors more simple, emotionally potent messages
rather than overly nuanced theological discourse. And I think this

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is one of the reasons why people are finding Orthodoxy
or even trad Catholicism interesting, is because it's not so
emotionally driven, but it is more nuanced and it's focused
on correct theological understanding and formation. And I would argue
the American ethos just doesn't actually celebrate that, right because

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we live in this consumeristic, capitalistic culture. The simple and
the emotional sort of ribes, and so Christian Zionism provides
this very simplistic, simple binary. Israel God's chosen people. Go
read the Old Testament, you idiot, and then opposing Israel

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therefore means opposing God. And therefore, how can they lose
an argument? You know, how can you lose? Don't you
read the Old Testament. Israel's God's chosen people. Israel is
the blessed nation. What are you talking about? And this
is why you have to understand when dealing with Christian
Zionism that first Christian Zionism literally exists fifty years before

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Jewish Zionism, so, which is an interesting thing. But by
the time Theodre Hertzel actually wants to begin moving Jews
into the Holy Land, you know, this is the late
nineteenth century, the late eighteen hundreds, this is before the
belfour Declaration. Now you start seeing these Jewish Zionist conferences,
these Jewish Zionist groups, and I just lost my thread.

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We were talking about Theodore Herzel. Oh, you have to
understand the historical context for these Christian Zionists. So that
is late nineteenth century, right, So then we have World
War One and then we have World War Two, and
these Christian Zionists believe that the persecution of Jews is
like a necessary sign to see as we're moving towards

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the end time. So you have the Holocaust and whatever
you may think about that, we'll just say the World
War two consensus narrative to save our self time. But
you see, then the post World War two consensus narrative
tied with nineteen forty eight and the actual establishment of
the nation of Israel. For the Christian zionis mind. You
have to understand they see this absolutely and apocalyptic eschological terms,

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that these are signs being fulfilled based on Old Testament prophecy.
And you can from that perspective, even though it's all heresy,
although it's all fallacious, you can understand some of the
fervor based on the historical events that occurred to make
them think that at least to some degree. And then
so that was the third point is the democratic republican

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identity of America. And that's why, then, why do you
have to defend Israel? Well, it's God's chosen nation. Why
do we have to defend God's chosen nation based on well,
they're the only democracy in the Middle East democracies somehow
God ordained. Again, I'm an orthodox Christian, I thought monarchy was.
I thought monarchy was the way in which God actually

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And again, what's the famous quote from the Russian saint
Heaven is a monarchy and Hell is a democracy? Is
that John of Cronstat, Saint John of Cronstat. I think
that's his quote. So we have a little as Orthodox Christians,
we have a different understanding of democracy. And honestly, I
think that's part of why the younger generation, I mean,

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we've talked about this pre modern modern worldview that you know,
fervent identification with democracies kind of waning for the younger generation. Anyways,
Fourth point why this is uniquely American. It's the geopolitical
and cultural factors. Again, as I said, the post Holocaust
sympathy and the Cold War alignment, these were huge catalysts

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for why America's Americans jumped on board, especially some of
these these Christians who may have not been dispensational, but
may have been aware of these dispensational but from their
perception post World War Two, they felt that, wait, maybe
this stuff is real, Maybe this stuff is actually coming true.
And so during even the Cold War, Israel was seen

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as a Western democratic bulwark against the evils of communism,
and so the American Christian I found a couple of
articles talking about this and that, you know, Christian zionis
viewed communism and eschaeological anti christ terms, and it is
absolutely a form of the Antichrist spirit. But then they

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celebrated Israel, idolized Israel. I mean, it really is a
form of idolatry because they're a democratic bulwark against the
political system of communism. And this is what I've said before,
is that Protestantism because it lacks sacraments, it lacks real mysticism,
it lacks God's energies in dwelling and physical things, which

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occultism is trying to do through their ritual practices. It's
really an ideology. And so what does Protestants argue with
the little capitalism versus communism, socialism, you know, it's other
ideologies that they're arguing with. And this, especially during the
Cold War, played right into the hands and so American
presidents freakly invoked biblical language during the Cold War Cold

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War about Israel, Jerusalem, and our divine American destiny. Christian
Zionism became not just a religious view, but explicitly during
the Cold War or a political identity. This is where
our politics and again I have in my study guide,
I have a timeline on lobby groups and when they

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really became powerful, and once we get in the nineteen seventies,
our political establishment in this Zionism, this Christian Zionism, become
intimately fused. And then the last reason why I think
the American psyche was so susceptible to Christian Zionism is
the psychological and moral dimension. So moral clarity, simple black

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and white thinking. Christian Zionism offers a morally unambiguous worldview.
Israel is good. They are always good, even if they're
committing genocide, even if they're stealing our ip right. This
is a known fact that outside of China, I believe
Israel's the second nation that steals the most intellectual property

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from American companies and Americans themselves. But can't criticize that
Israel is good no matter what. Her enemies are always evil.
And this is where they play on this trope of Muslims.
Now again, I'm not in favor of Islam. I don't
want Islam to come to America. I'm an Orthodox Christian.
I'm very familiar with the history of Christianity and Islam

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and how that's engaged. But it plays on this is
utilized by Zionists, both Jews and Christians, because you can
then sort of scapegoat all your frustration regarding the world
onto the enemies of Israel. And then you view the
military industrial complex again in a sort of divinely inspired manner,

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that somehow God is using the American military industrial complex
to fight the evils of Israel, to fight the enemies
of God. Is literally how they believe this and so
and that understanding prophecy is literally being fulfilled by the
votes that you and I cast for the Christian Zionists,

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their participation in a democratic political system, which we know
has a lot of problems, but it's viewed as a
sort of activity and participation in the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
And then this relates then to America's ultimate religious destiny.
You see how it provides such simplistic frameworks for a

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very simplistic theology, and of course it's overly focused on
eschatology and that they feel they are living already in
prophetic times, specifically after the founding of Israel, so after
nineteen forty eight, this is the view of Christian Zionism
as we are now in the end times, and for
many evangelicals, especially in denominations lacking sort of robust as

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I said, sacramental theology, Israel functions as the pseudo sacrament, right,
because they don't have sacraments, they don't have the real
presence of the Eucharist. God's energies are not in dwelling
in matter. So where is the material workings of God. Oh,
it's Jewish people, It's the nation. It's the semi secular
nation state of Israel. That is a sacrament. I mean,

(34:11):
this is my own opinion, but I'm calling it a
sort of pseudo pseudo Israeli sacrament, like that is where God,
the transcendent God and material matter me for the Christian Zionists. Now,
regarding heresies, these are the ones that I've identified, and
you may see more, that's totally fine if you do.

(34:32):
But I found sort of five ancient heresies and I'm
going to relate them to Christian Zionism in kind of
a unique way. So the first one is modernism, right,
and we talked about modernism before. This is the belief
of a sort of successive revelation that sort of supersedes
the revelation of the apostles or the teachings of the apostles.

(34:55):
This is a totally different understanding of prophecy than Orthodox You,
obviously we believe like Saint Piecio's has prophecies. Those do
not supersede the apostles. Those do not change the exegetical
tradition of the Church, and if anything, it's supposed to
reinforce the Church's worldview and reinforce the Church's message. What

(35:19):
we're talking about is something that is totally novel, and
they believe. These Christian Zionist believe in this ongoing revelation
that is enacting through people like John Hagy, through people
like Pat Robinson. And one of the things about the
ancient Montanists is that they were fixated on the apocalypse,

(35:39):
and they were fixated on it being in an explicit place.
I think it was Phrygia. I forget exactly where they were.
They located where they believe the end times are going
to occur. But again relating this to Christian Zionism, I
would argue they're Modannus in the sense that they're totally
fixated on the apocalypse. They believe that these modern pro

(36:02):
you know, pastors are somehow superseding the revelation of the Apostles,
and they claim this sort of unique special insight regarding
a specific geographical location, Israel, where the end times are
going to occur and therefore must be defended. And so

(36:24):
the first one is modernism. This is a form of modernism.
It's a little bit different. It's sort of modern profits
and apocalyptic obsession, but that certainly relates to the ancient
heresy of modernism. The second one is judaizing. You know,
the Ebionites were a Gnostic group that was again into judaizing.
When we look at the First Council in Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
What is it.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Christians don't need to get circumcised. Christians don't need to
do these dietary laws. In some groups and some people
wanted to maintain these Old Testament traditions into the New Covenant,
the Second Covenant. They wanted to maintain the First Covenant
traditions and practices into the New Age, the Second Age
of Christ. And in that sense, they think, and even

(37:08):
the Ebionites and some of these Judaized are the ancient heresies.
They thought, you must keep the mosaic law. Now we've
seen people like Bryson Gray, you know, the Maga Rapper.
He's of this school of this of these judaizing heresies.
That again, because Protestanism doesn't have sacraments, they don't have
this sort of material, something tangible reality regarding the theology.

(37:31):
They just revert back to Old Testament customs. That's again
Bryce and Gray does. These Zionists do the same thing.
And the Zionus exception with temple building, with the levitical sacrifices,
Like what's going on there, Well, that's a rejudaize it.
We don't do that stuff because Christ is already fulfilled

(37:51):
it right, We're not doing temple sacrifices because Christ was
the last sacrifice. We don't have this delineation between Jew
and Gentile because Christ destroyed it all these prophecies in
the Old Testament. Christ is already fulfilled. But for them
again it's almost and it's going to come to another
one of these heresies. It totally spiritualizes Christ and his victory,

(38:13):
the incarnation, the resurrection, and the ascension. And so what
these Zionists do is they have a torah, this is
my term, a sort of Torah ethnocentric mindset that you
either bless Israel or you be cursed, and that then
elevates Israel and Judaism essentially above Christianity, because to be

(38:35):
a good Christian Zionist is in a sense to be
subservient to the wishes of the nation state of Israel
and the practices of Judaism, practices that we believe should
no longer exist because they've already been fulfilled and annihilated.
We've moved on. We are the new Israel. This is
the continuation. So first one motanism, second one Judaizing. The

(38:58):
third one is killie millenarianism, utopianism. And so the understanding
a killiasm is a heresy regarding a literal belief in
a thousand year reign of Christ. Okay, so we as
the Orthodox Christians believe we're, you know, once Christ ascended,
we were already in the end time. The Kingdom is

(39:20):
already here in the church. It's a both and mystical
theology where you get to participate in eternity now. But
there still is a second coming, there still is a
real historical event where Christ comes. Their history will end.
But right now we get a taste of it. That's
the blessing, that's the grace of being an Orthodox Christian.

(39:40):
And so this belief in a literal thousand year. You
can be a pre or a post you know, millennialist,
but Jesus will rule the world from a rebuilt Jewish temple.
So they've got to blow up the alex A Mosque
right now, Dome of the Rock, which a lot of
people and I'm going to go into this in Part two,

(40:01):
which is going to be on the Logos Academy. There's
actually videos you can find in Israel of Jews believing
that this is going to happen at any time that
they claim that there's already the structure to destroy the
mosque is already in place. They're just waiting for the
events to unfold in which they can go ahead and

(40:21):
do it. These Christian Zionists believe that Jesus is going
to rule for a utopian thousand year kingdom from the
Temple with Jews and Christians, and that leading up to this,
Israel and Israel will be the dominant ruler of the world.

(40:41):
And this gets into how Jews believe in Noahide laws
and that stuff. Again, when we're going to get into
that stuff in part two. This part one is really
going to be focused on Zionism in the American context.
So killeasm number three another ancient heresy. Number four Marcianism
in reverse. In reverse, you're thinking, what do you mean, Well,
Marsianism is the belief that the Old Testament God is

(41:04):
different from Jesus and the God of the New Testament. Right,
this is a typical Gnostic trope. Many Gnostic groups had
this sort of Marsian understanding, and so I would argue
Christian Zionists have the sort of mere opposite of this,
but they revive Old Testament Covenant theology alongside the New Testament,

(41:26):
which I would argue insinuates that somehow God's salviafic mission
is like two parted, that somehow Christ didn't fulfill all
this stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And so.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's like a Marsianism in reverse. It takes two tracks,
the first one being Israel, the second one being the
Church and that Christ fulfilled. You know, it sort of
does an undoing of christ fulfillment what we as orthodox Christians,
what most historical Christians believe, and divides them into this
dual covenant theory. And in that sense, In my estimation,

(42:05):
it is sort of Marsian because it sort of breaks
the working the economy of salvation into two pieces and
essentially assinuates that there's two different rules for two different people,
kind of like two different gods. If you will that
the oh yeah, the Christians can believe in that. Jesus
we believe. You know, I'm a Christian Zionis. I believe
in Jesus. Well, the Jews don't. It's okay, It's okay.

(42:27):
The Father has them, you know, God, the Father's watching
out for the Jews. We're we're saved by the blood
of Jesus. And it's like, well, what kind of in
That kind of breaks up the you know, the holistic
understanding of the Trinity. And so number four, I would
say it's like Martianism and reverse. Number five is a

(42:48):
Dosetism of history. Now you're saying, what the heck do
you mean by that? So Dosetism is the heresy that
believed that Christ only appeared to be human right, which
called into question his full humanity. We as Orthodox Christians,
believe God was fully god fully man. Christ was fully
god fully man, not fifty to fifty, not mostly god,
kind of man fully God fully maned, both natures, both essences,

(43:12):
united into one hypostasis so that it can be sanctified
and deified in one person, Jesus Christ. And that zion
Is treat the incarnation, the crucifixion, and the resurrection and
the ascension not as fully accomplished because somehow the Jews
aren't saved by Christ. Well, that's not what Christ says,

(43:35):
that's not what the what's not my reading of the epistles,
that's not my reading of the gospels. But this is
what Christian Zionists believe, and therefore they spiritualize Christ's victory.
It'sh No, he definitely defeated death, and you, as a Christian,
you'll be saved again as long as you support Israel

(43:56):
and believe all this other stuff. But no, no, he
didn't know. Christ didn't actually save the Jews yet they
you know that that plans being worked out through Israel.
What it's like, there's a symbolic victory, That's what I mean.
It's like it's sort of it's docetic in the sense
that it divorces the material transfiguration of creation due to

(44:17):
the incarnation of God and his defeating of death and
then ascending into eternity. It's sort of symbolized. It spiritualized
and symbolizes it. And so because it's so overly spiritual
and not concretized, I think it's kind of dosetic. And
that God's real work, as they say, I saw this
multiple times. God's real work is with Israel and that

(44:40):
remains unfinished. So so yeah, God, Christ's salvation is finished,
Christ's victory is accomplished, but the real work is unfinished
with the state of Israel, and we have to participate
in that, you see. And so they deny, as I said,
the true cosmic mystery of Jesus Christ, as Saint Maximus
the Confessor with say, so, this is kind of my

(45:01):
opening monologue to lay the sort of framework for today's conversation.
Now we're gonna get into details of my study guide,
and again, I can't wait to watch the John Hagen.
You guys are gonna love the John Hagy, Pat Robinson
and haw Lindsey videos. So then we're gonna dive into that.
So smash that. Like, guys, thank you all for being

(45:22):
here very much. Galatto Boy throws in five no comment,
Thank you so much, brother, truly appreciate that Harry Ludwig says,
you've read Sister and Weber or Sizer and what you mean,
oh Weber like the Protestant work ethic. I'm not sure
what you I don't know. If I don't know if

(45:45):
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the title of a book, you have to confirm here.
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Jamie Oliver says, how would you respond to Protestant Jesus?

(46:27):
To the Protestant Jesus died for your sins? Is that orthodox? Yeah,
Jesus died.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
For my sins.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
What did Jesus die for in the Orthodox Church? Well
it's you know, our atonement theology is more than just
you know, humanity fell and we have to be atoned
for through the blood of Christ. Our atonement begins with
again a focus on theosis. That the teleological purpose of

(46:59):
creation was always that God became man so that man
can become God. And even in the Garden of Eden,
Adam was not in a more mature or closer state
to God per se. I mean, he was in a
pure state. When we're talking about the divinity. In the
of Adam and Eve before the fall Prelapsarrian, Adam and

(47:21):
Eve were talking about moral purity. They were not tainted
morally in any way, but they were still juvenile. That's
why they couldn't eat from the Tree of Knowledge. It's
not that we couldn't eat eventually from the Tree of knowledge.
It's that they needed to mature, just like you don't
give steak to a baby. It wasn't the appropriate time yet,

(47:42):
and so then of course they fall. But God's souwfic
plan was always for the unification of God and Man,
the incarnation theosis. Yes, because we fell, our sins had
to be atoned for. But then Christ defeats death through
the harrowing of Hades, which is another thing. So because
we fell, it's not just he's atoning for our sins.

(48:04):
He does do that, but then his humanity dies on
the cross. And then he goes and knocks on the
doors of Hades, and the devil foolishly and pridefully lets
somebody into the realm of death who cannot die. By definition,
Christ reveals his light and in so doing defeats death

(48:25):
itself right, and so now everybody can be unchained and
set free. That's what this icon is right here, the
heroing of Hades. You see the door of Hades, you
see the locks and the keys being broken. You see
him pulling Adam and Eve out of the coffin of death.
And so I would argue our atonement is more encompassing

(48:46):
and has a little bit more nuanced and features than
the Protestants. But it's not wrong to say Jesus died
for your sins. Yes, we would just say that penal
substitution atonement theology is myopic and it's un understanding of
the Selviefic work of Christ. And he finished. And did
he have to die like the Prats argue, or was

(49:08):
it more like an example? No, it's not an example.
His humanity had to die because we, through sin, brought
death into the world. And so part of again this
is where Saint Maximus the Confessor has a comment that
assuming we didn't fall, Christ still was going to the logos,

(49:31):
was still going to incarnate to unite human nature with
divine nature. But did he have to die after we
fell from grace? Yeah, he had to defeat death. His
humanity died God. Christ's divinity cannot die by definition, So
that's a subtle distinction, but an important distinction that must

(49:52):
be kept. And so no, Christ dying was not an example.
As I said, he actually defeated death in the Harrowing
of Hades. But thank you so much Jamie Oliver for
the ten dollars super chat And James Z. Throws Intent says,
does Orthodoxy take Old Testament stories like the Arc of
Noah and Jonah in the Belly of the Beast literal

(50:13):
or as metaphors? They take them as both. So again,
whenever you're dealing with Orthodoxy, it's a both and theology.
We really do not privilege the dialectic. So was there
a great flood? Well, you start looking into some of
the latest research, some of the alternative historical research. You know,

(50:37):
people popular people like Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock, like, there
does appear to be some type of great ancient flood.
Now the date of that is speculated, but you look
at the prevalence of the mythology or the the flood
mythology throughout the world. Something happened, something happened regarding your

(50:58):
great flood. So is it literal? Was there literally a
great flood? Yeah? I believe there's literally a great flood.
Is the arc of Noah symbolic of the Church and
its salvation of bringing us from a place that needs
to be destroyed because of corruption into a place blessed
by God.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Absolutely, So we don't whenever reading script. That's why I
get yourself an Orthodox study Bible. If you want to
know what Orthodox people think, read the Study Bible. Because
typically this delineation between literal and symbolic is the difference
between the Antiochian school of exegesis and the Alexandrian school,

(51:36):
whichs more symbolic. But both can be true because Christ
is the source of all archetypes. The Logos is the
source of all truth, all archetypes. Truth is a who,
not a what so Jonah, I mean people literally get
swallowed by wales. Wasn't there a guy that broke his
arm just last summer off the coast of like Maine

(51:56):
or Massachusetts something somewhere over there. He was like kayak
and got swallowed by a whale. So can people be
swallowed by whales? Yeah? And is that story still symbolic
of finding yourself and the belly of the beast when
neglecting and rejecting the message of God and what you're
supposed to do, what your destiny or what your purpose

(52:19):
related to God's mission for you is. Yeah, So you
can still gleam symbolic again archetypal meaning and truth, and
it can still also be literal. So I would argue
it's both. Harry Ludwig throws in five. Thank you so much,
He says, Stephen Seiser and Timothy Weber wrote books deconstructing

(52:40):
Christian Zionism. Oh okay, No, I have not read their book.
I don't know if you're talking about Max Weber or No.
I have not read Siser and Weber. Unless he's German,
it might be Vaber.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
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go over a little bit again of this history, introduce

(57:09):
all this stuff, some of the topics in here. We're
not going to cover all of it because we're already
an hour in and I still want to get to
Pat Robinson, Hal Lindsay and John Hagey videos. So where
does this stuff come from? As I said, it's already
rooted the Christian Zionist spirit is already rooted in the
literal interpretation within Puritism, most specifically of Puritism coming out

(57:32):
of England. And then you have the Restorationism. So nineteenth
century saw the rise of Restorationism, a theological movement within
Protestantism that emphasized the literal returned Jews to Palestine. British
figures such as Lord Shaftesbury and Edward Irving promoted the
idea that this restoration was necessary for the fulfillment of
biblical prophecy. Obviously, by nineteen seventeen most of you already

(57:55):
know a little bit about the belfour Declaration and then
the proto Christian Zionist theology. So these theological roots trace
back to these Arrant readings of Genesis twelve one through three,
Ezekiel thirty seven, Romans eleven, which were interpreted as promising
a future literal restoration of Israel. And then we get

(58:18):
into the Schofield Bible. So if you guys have never
heard of the Scofield Bible, it's this very important thing
for you to be aware of. So Cyrus is Schofield.
He's an American theologian and preacher influenced by again John
Nelson Darby. So John Nelson Darby, as I'm going get
ready to show you, he is the father of dispensationalist theology.

(58:42):
But it's Schofield who gets promoted by Oxford actually to
reprint a Bible using the notes in the theological dispensational
prism of Darby to reinterpret both the Old and New Testament,
and so popularized Darby's complex theological system through his annotated Bible,

(59:05):
which I included extensive footnotes that framed scripture through a
dispensationalist lens. One second, and so the impact of the
Schofield Bible.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Massive.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Schofield divided Biblical history into seven dispensations, which again that's
what Darby did. I'm getting ready to show you what
his worldview was and what his teachings were, asserting that
God related to humanity differently in each era. This framework
emphasized a literal, futuristic eschatology, including a pre tribulational rapture

(59:40):
again that people will be taken up into Heaven, that
Christians the spiritual Church, which again we argue we're a
physical church. It's not spiritual, it's not dosetic, but the
physical church we are Israel, and they believe they will
be taken up in that only the nation state of
Israel will have to go through the fibulation. So all

(01:00:00):
the fallen people who aren't chosen, they're not raptured, right,
you know the Protestant book Left Behind series, That's what
this is all based on. That Israel is going to
be sort of purified and they're going to have to
go through this tribulational period. His note suggested that modern
Israel was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Now this is

(01:00:21):
nineteen oh nine was when this was put out, solidifying
a belief in the special theological role of Jewish people
distinct from the Church wide influenced, the Scofield Bible became
the staple among conservative American Protestants, especially within Baptist, Pentecostal,
and evangelical circles. It shaped the eschatology of institutions such
as the Dallas Theological Seminary and Moody Bible Institute. Growth

(01:00:46):
and institutionalization of dispensationalism. So John Darby eighteen hundred to
eighteen eighty two, often called the father of dispensationalism, as
I said, divides the salvation between Israel. In the Christian Church,
he advocated for the rapture. He rejected the historical grammatical
approach of traditional exit Jesus. So again, as I said,

(01:01:10):
even the Church of England defended itself to some degree
initially from Darby's Christian Zionism, because it said, no, that's heresy,
We're not doing that. We have a traditional exit Jesus.
We have a traditional understanding of how these things should
be interpreted. He rejects that entire method for his own
reading of it, and so his teachings were widely disseminated,

(01:01:31):
as I said, in America, specifically American Evangelical Christianity and
Prophecy conferences. Late nineteenth and early twentieth century saw Niagara
Bible Conferences and similar events where dispensationalist ideas were taught
and spread. Figures like Lewis Berry Chafer, founder of the
Dallas Theological Seminary, institutionalized it in theological education. And then

(01:01:52):
here we go the post World War two expansion. Dispensationalism
and Christian Zionism gained further traction after the found of
the State of Israel in nineteen forty eight, and you
might ask, I actually had to dive into this. I
asked why is Israel called the State of Israel. It
turns out that was a choice to differentiate it as

(01:02:16):
a sort of democratic representation as opposed to some of
the monarchies and other political orientations present in the Middle East.
So this was a nomenclature that they chose. I actually
was curious. I had to look into that which was
seen by many dispensationalists as a fulfillment of prophecy. Organizations
such as the Christians United for Israel and televangelists like

(01:02:38):
John Hagy amplified the message in recent decades, tying Christian
support for Israel to eschological expectations. What are some of
the Orthodox critiques I've already named a few. This is
a total misreading of scripture. Dispensationalism divides salvation history into
arbitrary dispensations, whereas Orthodox Christian Church sees salvation history as

(01:03:01):
a single continuous economia culminating in the incarnation of Christ
in the establishment of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The Church as the New Israel, fulfills the promises made
to Abraham, as seen in Galatians three seven through twenty
nine and Ephesians two eleven through twenty two. Rejection of
a dual covenant. Dispensationalism teaches that God maintains separate covenant

(01:03:24):
with ethnic Israel, distinct from the Church. Orthodoxy categorically rejects
this idea, affirming the fulfillment of the Old Testament in Christ.
Danger in political idolatry is that Christian Zionism often conflates
biblical prophecy with modern political entities, so turning support for
the state of Israel into a theological imperative. This borders

(01:03:46):
on idolatry of nation states and ignores the Church's universal mission.
And this relates to the heresy that I created. So
this is not necessarily at least I don't know if
it's an official heresy of the Orthodox Church, but I
called Christian Zionism another heresy. I called this one new
political messianism. And so the reason another reason why from

(01:04:10):
an Orthodox perspective, Christian Zionism is heretical is that it's
a Zionist promotion of a quasi sacramental nationalism that essentially
takes secular politics and infuses it with theological and eschatological expectations.
I called this a political messianism. I don't know if
that's an ancient heresy. I kind of created it, but

(01:04:32):
it certainly applies. No Orthodox would support this, and it
comes out of this danger of political idolatry apocalytic obsession.
We talked about this with the early Montanists. As another
reiteration of it in contemporary Christian Zionism, dispensationalist fixation on
in times prophecies undermines the Orthodox emphasis on the present

(01:04:53):
reality of the Kingdom of God realized in the Sacraments
and the liturgy, and of course the heresy of Judai.
He already mentioned that, even mentioned the Ibianites and stuff
like that. All right, here's the timeline I constructed on
Christian Zionism from its origins of the present day. Obviously Puritans,
we already mentioned that. Then the Whitehall Conferences, Cromwell convenes

(01:05:15):
this council to actually discuss the Jewish resettlement in England.
I found this really interesting. So some Puritans petition Oliver Cromwell.
Now remember the stream we did on Puritism. We're talking
about the English Civil War. We're talking about this whole
breakdown in the historical contexts as it related to the
Reformation leading into the seventeenth century. And so Oliver Cromwell

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was petitioned by Puritans to readmit Jews into England since
they had been expelled since twelve ninety, as a step
toward prophetic fulfillment. And then by the nineteen or sixteen
fifty five, Cromwell convenes this council to discuss Jewish resettlement
in England, while not explicitly Zionists, that lays the groundwork

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for Christian fascination with Jewish restoration. Eighteenth century Pietism, Revivalism,
German Pietists, and later Evangelical revivals in Britain foster a
more personal literal reading a prophecy, often pointing to the
Jews' future glory. And then we have eighteen hundred. So
this is now we have eighteen hundred's the birth of Darby. Right,

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So in eighteen oh seven, this before Darby's even on
the scene, we have the London Society for Promoting Christianity
Amongst the Jews. And so Zionism was originally about converting
Jews to Christianity, to some sort, that was the initial goal,
but it still promoted their restoration and Palestine. Again just
like the Puritans. Remember at this point, we're eighteen oh seven,

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two hundred years previous. It's the Puritans that believe, yeah,
the Jews will become Christians, but that's only when Christ comes,
and for Christ to come, we got to get these
people back to the Holy Land. You can see. Two
hundred years later, now we have the London Society for
Promoting Christianity among the Jews. It becomes a hub for
early restorationist thought eighteen twenties thirties. Now Darby's on the scene,

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figures like Lewis Way Joseph Wolff, a missionary of Jewish descent,
start to link missions to Jews with political lobbying for
the return to Palestine. By eighteen thirty one, we get
Edward Irving, a charismatic Scottish preacher, founder of the Catholic
Apostolic Church and an early pre millennialist, advocates that Jews
must return to the land before Christ's second coming. Eighteen thirties,

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now we get John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Darby
formulates dispensationalism, dividing Biblical history into eras dispensations, insisting that
God's promises to Israel remain literal and unfulfilled. It introduces
pre tribulation rapture theology, as we already mentioned, and this
visits America repeatedly planting dispensational seeds, or he visits, I

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should say, and then Lord Shaftesbury advocacy. The influential evangelical
politician Anthony Ashley Cooper, seventh Earl of Shaftesbury coins the
slogan a country without a nation for a nation without
a country, that's what Britain is, and so uses his
influence to pressure British Foreign Office to support Jewish resettlement

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in Palestine. So now we're moving into again, once we
get into the late eighteen hundreds, now we have Theodore
Hertzel and we have real Jewish Zionism. So eighteen sixty
to nineteen hundred first Jewish agricultural school in Palestine founded.
Early Zionists stirring, supported by Christian financers like Charles Henry Churchill.

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Eighteen seventies prophecy conferences in American Britain, as I already said,
the Niagara Bible Conferences where they spread Darby's ideas, and
then eighteen nineties the rise of political Zionism. Theodore Hertzel
publishes Der judensta In eighteen ninety six, calling for you
a Jewish Homeland. Early Zionist and Christian restorationists begin to

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converge in mutual support. Nineteen hundred to nineteen forty eight
the Schofield era and the Foundations for the State of Israel.
As we said nineteen oh nine to the Schofield Bible
becomes the one of the most bibles, most popular Bibles
in America. Nineteen seventeen the bellefour Declaration. Evangelical restorationists like
Shaftsbury helped create the cultural climate for this move. Nineteen

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twenties and thirties the rise of prophecy teachers in the US,
and then nineteen forty eight, the date that changes everything
for the Christian zionis the establishment of the State of Israel.
Israel declares independence. Dispensational to see this as the fulfillment
of prophecy and proof that their theology is correct. Nineteen

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forty eight through nineteen eighty Israel as a prophetic clock
evangelical excitement. Churches preach that Israel's rebirth signals the last
generation before Christ's return. How Lindsay writes The Late Great
Planet Earth, selling fifteen million copies and embedding dispensational end
times Israel focus into pop culture. Nineteen sixty seven the

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Six Day War, Israel captures East Jerusalem, including the Temple mount.
This electrifies dispensationalists. Jerusalem back in Jewish hands is seen
as a key prophetic milestone. Nineteen seventies US political shift,
Evangelicals become increasingly tied to pro Israel lobby. As I said,
it all shifts in America politically in the nineteen seventies.

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That's when the Jewish lobby really begins to entrench themselves
into the political establishment. Jerry Folwell and the Moral Majority
found in nineteen seventy nine merged conservative politics, pre millennial theology,
and strong ZIONUS advocacy. From the eighties forward, Christian Zienism
becomes a true political force. Nineteen eighty, the Jerusalem Law

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Israel declares Jerusalem its eternal and undivided capital. Evangelical groups
in the US behind this claim. Now remember why this
is important, because the Trump administration moves the capital from
Tel Aviv or the US embassy to Jerusalem. This is
part of this Christian Zionis dispensationalist theology. Right. This is
why there's videos. You can literally find them. I could

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find them today if we wanted to. We're cry or
of Christ, Oh Lord forgive me. Where Trump at a
rally talks about how he moved the embassy to Jerusalem,
and the crowd goes wild, and then he goes, yeah,
it's really something. I think the evangelicals are more excited
about it than even the Jews are well, you know,

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the majority of Jews in Israel are actually more secular
than religious. Not all of them are of the net
and Yahoo LACUD type. Nineteen eighties John Hagy Megachurch Zionism,
so he preaches overt Christian Zionism, founding the Christians United
for Israel, which we're going to look at today in
two thousand and six, but groundwork in the eighties TV

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preachers like Pat Robinson and Hall Lindsey continue prophecy driven support.
Nineteen ninety five Jerusalem Embassy Act, US law mandate reloadicating
its embassy Jerusalem, though implementation is delayed for decades. YadA, YadA.
Then Trump administration moves the US Embassy to Jerusalem. This
is huge for the Zionists, celebrated by Christian Zionists as

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again a fulfillment of prophecy and political victory. That's why
I also have another video for members over at my
website asking is Trump the new Cyrus the Great? From
the Jewish perspective and then present, Christian Zionims are now
the dominant current and American evangelicism and in Orthodoxy. In

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many historic churches, this remains seen as a distortion, a
heretical fusion of eschaological and eschatology and nationalism. And then
this is a little bit again more details going into
the Schofield Bible. If you're interested into that, we're going
to skip it for at least these purposes. This is
what's really interesting. So I was trying to find numbers evangelicals,

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roughly sixty to seventy million evangelicals in America, quite a lot.
I found a survey that suggested eighty percent of white
evangelicals believe Israel's existence fulfilled prophecy, where that Christians must
support Israel for theological reasons. Now, mind you, this is
obviously generational. It's mostly baby boomers and gen X. There

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are young people, but it's mostly a boomer thing. That's
fifty to fifty five million Christian Zionists leading believers in
the US alone, and this was a conservative estimate, seventy
to eighty million. I did see eighty five million on
one thing, So yeah, pretty influential and important. So who

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are some of the modern American Christian Zionists. I'm actually
gonna go through the first three. These are the guys
that we're gonna watch here in just a second. John
Hagy who is. He is the founder and senior pastor
of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. He's the founder
of Christians United for Israel, now the largest Christian Zionist
lobbying organization in the US. Television preacher, author of books

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like Four Blood Moons and Jerusalem Countdown What he teaches,
he teaches dual covenant theology. Hagey has at times implied
that Jews have a separate covenant with God and don't
need to accept Christ for salvation. It says, it's again
it is controversial, but this is not unknown in the
Christian Zionist world. Many That's why I said, many believe

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that Christ's victory is almost just spiritual for Christians that
believe in Him and really has nothing to do with Jews.
Though he's tried to soften and clarify this after a
lot of criticism, it's still prominent absolute support for Israel.
He frames political support for Israel as a divine mandate
from Genesis in times eschatology. Believes israel existence proves that

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we are in the last days. Teaches the pre tribulational
rapture of Darby and that Jews will come to Christ
during the tribulation. Again, that's already, that's all the way
back to puritanism and then political activism. His CUF five
mobilizes millions. You get it. Pat Robinson, maybe somebody you
guys knew of a little bit more. He was the

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founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network. I remember my grandparents
used to watch that all the time in the seven
hundred club for the longest running Christian TV programs. Former
president presidential candidate, highly influential emerging Evangelical Christianity with US politics.
Restorationist theology constantly preached that the modern state of Israel
was the fulfillment of prophecy, taught that any nation opposing

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Israel would face judgment, a common Christian Zionist theme, and
frequently leaked current events in Israel to biblical prophecy, warning
of impending war with Gog and Magog and then how lindsay,
these are the three people we're going to watch. He's
the author of The Late Great Planet Earth, one of
the best selling books in the nineteen seventies, over fifteen
million copies. As we mentioned, Israel is a prophetic clock.

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He declared that Israel's founding in nineteen forty eight, fulfilled
biblical prophecy and began the Final generation again popularizing all
this stuff. Lindsay's teaching made christian Zionism. He brought it
into pop culture, inspiring prophecy movies, church teachings, and later
works like Left Behind. We're gonna skip some of these
other guys again. All this will be available. This whole

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study guy is available for members at the Logos Academy.
And then here is christian zionis eschatology in Israel's role
in the end times. So the core features of christian
zionis eschatology number one. Israel is God's prophetic time piece.
You already get that, don't need to go into it.
Two people's two programs. The Church and Israel are two

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separate entities. The Church are spiritual people saved by grace
and will be raptured. Israel as an earthly people to
whom God promises land, temple, kingdom, power, and those still
apply literally pre tribulational rapture before the Great Tribulation seven
years of judgment on earth, the Church is secretly caught
up to Heaven. This removes the Church so God can

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deal with Israel again during the Tribulation. During the Tribulation,
the Antichrist will arise, sign a covenant with Israel, then
then betray them. Many Jews will be persecuted, some will
convert to Christ. Some Christian Zionist teachers such as Haigly Hagey,
teach that the tribulation is primarily for Israel's refinement again

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a sort of purification, and then the Third Temple and
renewed sacrifices. Christian Zionis Is expect a third temple will
be rebuilt on the Temple Mount again, we're talking about
the blowing up of the Alexamasque. Some even support activist
groups in Jerusalem working for temple reconstruction and priestly training.

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Then we have Armageddon Israel as a battlefield. Israel is
the stage of the final battles between Gog and Magog.
Gog and Magog. They then invade Israe. Armageddon is interpreted
literally as a climactic world war fought in northern Israel
and then the national conversion of Israel. Many dispensational insts

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site Romans eleven twenty six to predict a mass Jewish
conversion at the end of the tribulation, and then the
millennium of Christ will return to Jerusalem to reign for
a thousand years. Literally, the temple will stand in Israel
will be the head of the nations. And so you know,
I have then Orthodox critiques of each of these things

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regarding the their eschatology. Just for times sake, I'm not
going to go through all of them, but if you
want access to this again, go over to the Logos
Academy school dot com ford slash Logos Academy. I'll give
you the quick summary. I put a table together here.
So christian zionis teaching Christ. Israel's rebirth equals prophetic clock
starts again. Orthodox response, prophecies are fulfilled in Christ and

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the Church is the continuation of Israel. Two people Israel
and the Church one people of God. Ephesians two fourteen
reference to Saint Augustine pre tribulation. Rapture removes the Church.
We believe in no rapture, only one public second coming.
Allot Saint John Chrisostom. Third Temple must be rebuilt. Christ

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is the Temple, the Church is His body. The building
of the third Temple is Antichrist. Again, I'm going to
get deeper into being very explicit regarding Jewish eschatology and
stuff in Part two. But that's why this is literally
from the Orthodox perspective, Christian Zionism is part of the
Antichrist spirit. I mean, I mean, just look at the deceit.

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Look at the amount of money they're taking. Look at
Trump threatening Americans that they won't get disaster relief if
they boycott Israel. Look at the genocide that's taking place.
Look at the lies surrounding Israel and their involvement, even
relationship to the death of John F. Kennedy. This is
the spirit of Antichrist. It's filled with lies. It's filled

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with lies. So anyways, Christ is the Temple. And then armageddon,
literal world war at Israel. Revelation is symbolic and liturgical
armageddon is cosmic, not geopolitical. All Israel will be saved, true,
but only through Christ and his Church, not by a
parallel covenant. And then millennium, a literal reign of Jerusalem.

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Orthodoxy rejects literal millennialism as heresy. Okay, who will be
the Antichrist? Now this is interesting. What do Christian Zionists
believe about the Antichrist? I had no idea. So I
dove into this topic. I was like, what do they believe?
Who's going to be the Antichrist? And so the common views,

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as I said, opening up, it's actually going to be
a gentile, which is the opposite of Orthodox. We believe
that it will be a Jew. This is based on
Daniel nine twenty six twenty seven. Some argue he comes
from the revived Roman Empire, and this is often interpreted
as a European Confederation or the EU. So the Antichrist
is going to be an EU politician, seen as a globalist,

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charismatic political leader, again likely a Western European figure, and
this view hold avoid suggesting Jewish ethnicity, possibly to maintain
strong support for Israel. Now, I did find instances of
some Christian Zionists that do believe the Antichrist will be Jewish.
Some Christian Zionist teachers fringe voices believe that he must

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be Jewish so that the Jews will accept him as
the Messiah. This is based on John five forty three.
Another will come in his own name him you will
receive to misinterpretation Revelation thirteen sixteen through eight tied to
the false Jewish Messiah. This is controversial and is often
criticized on bordering on anti Semitism by the Zionist community,

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so it is rarely stated openly in major Christian Zionist platforms.
And then there's like this weird high hybrid they have
where he will appear Jewish but he's actually a Gentile.
And this merges the need for the Jewish acceptance with
the prophecy or the Fourth Beast from Daniel being Rome based. Again,

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where will the Antichrist come from? Most believe that it's
the EU, some type of Western European nation. Some believe
that the UN and global banking systems huh, global banking systems,
or even the Vatican may host the antichrist power base.
It's it's the Pope. It's the Pope, guys. And so

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what are the activities of the Antichrist? The rise to
power during tribulation a covenant with Israel. He will guarantee
Israel's safety and allow the rebuilding of the Third Temple
in Jerusalem. This earns him Jewish and global admiration for
a time. And so again, even if you're a Christian
Zionist who's actually in favor of building the Third Temple,

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you know it's modern day Jews again. For them, this
is all seen as a blessing because Christ is going
to rule from the temple. Mid Tribulation betrayal. After three
and a half years, the Antichrist breaks the covenant with
Israel and sets up the Abomination of Desolation and declares
himself to be God, demanding worship, global tyranny, mark of

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the Beast bt system, rules of one world government, persecution
of Israel. Antichrist turns violently against the Jewish people. This
is seen as a second Holocaust called Jacob's Trouble, and
the remnant flees to the wilderness and is protected by God,
which is typically understood as Christians. During the reign of

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the Antichrist and then the final confrontation the Coalition of
Nations Gog and Magog against Israel at Armageddon and appears
poised to destroy Israel completely until Christ returns visibly with
the Saints. This is a theological like an academic taxonomy
of their eschatology. If you're interested in that, it's not necessary,

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we can kind of skip it. These are the heresies
that I already argued. This is the outline of John
Darby's escatology. Which here's the seven I mean, everything we've
already kind of covered, but here's the seven dispensations. So
he has the first dispensations, the era of innocence. This
is Adam before the Fall, the era of conscience Adam

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to Noah, the era of human government from Noah to Babbel,
the era of the Promise from Abraham to Moses, the
era of the Law from Moses to Christ, the era
of Grace, the Church Age from Pentecost to the Rapture,
and then the era of the Kingdom Christ literal one
thousand year reign. And again I kind of break down

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each step of Darby's eschatology, but it is basically modern
day eschatology. Now this is an overview on Jewish eschatology.
I'm gonna again, I'm gonna save this for part two,
just so we don't I don't have to worry about
getting in any trouble here on YouTube. But we'll save

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that for then. Last thing I want to show you
then is Christian Zionism and it's influence in US foreign policy.
And so I have things to show you here in
just a second. But the lobbying group is the only
thing I really wanted to show you regarding this document,
and so early Zionis advocacy pre statehood. Early twentieth century
Jewish American leaders like Louis Brandeis mobilized support for Zionis causes,

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funding and lobbying for the US backing of Jewish homeland.
In nineteen twenty two, Congress passes a pro Zionis Joint resolution,
demonstrating early legislative alignment with Zionis goals. Apak Is founded
nineteen fifty three through fifty four and became the primary
formal lobby for Israel and Washington by the mid nineteen seventies.

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It's budget and organizational strength surge, solidifying bipartisan access and
influence in Congress. Apac PINEA neared its distinctive model transparent lobbying,
no endorsement of candidates directly, this isn't until twenty twenty,
but heavy behind the scenes campaign funding and support and
rebuilding or relationship buildings what they called it. And then

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other pro Jewish organizations Conference of Presidents for Major American
Jewish Organizations found in nineteen fifty five, representing and that's
a link to it on Wikipedia. If you guys want
to look into it representing mainstream Jewish institutions through the administration.
The Joint Action Committee, established nineteen eighty one supports pro

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Israel democratic candidates, and then the Republican Jewish Coalition organizes
Jewish Republicans and support for Israel aligned candidates.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
So anyways, all that will be available over at the website.
We're going to finish. So the study guy is now over.
If you guys want access to that, go to school
dot Com Forward slash Logos Academy and you can get
access to that. Now, let's get into some of our
videos and some of the more fun stuff I got

(01:27:12):
lined up for us. Let me pull that up. Okay,
So again here is the community. I'll share that link
one more time. You want to get access to the
second half. You want to get access to exclusive video
content that is through this link right here. And so

(01:27:34):
first thing I want to show you guys is this
is this is one of the nice little overviews of
Christian Zionism in America. And this is actually done by
TRT World. It's a Turkish public broadcast company. But we're
going to watch this video. It kind of gives a
nice little overview. It's going to rehash on the stuff
that I've already said, and then we're going to get

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into the actual Zionist talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I mean, there we go, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Amalik amlik.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
And this is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defending Israel's current
war on Palestine's Gaza with biblical reasoning. Nathana who invoked
the notion of Amalik in reference to a holy war
between good and evil sighted in the Torah.

Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
Well, Benjamin Nesina, who knows that he depends heavily on
the United States to veto any UN resolutions critical of
Israel's behavior. Uh, and he needs US military support to
counter any threat from Syria or Lebanon.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
But it's not just Netanyahu. Such princes have been echoing
in the US for decades. In nineteen seventy eight, then
President Jimmy Carter mentioned that the establishment of Israel was
the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
It actually goes back to the nineteen sixties, Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan with the Six Day War. It was kind
of a wake up call for evangelical Bible believing Christians,
particularly in America, and it was exploited as the fulfillment
of Bible prophecy.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Emid Israel's current bombing campaign in Gaza, the rhetoric has
turned more while American evangelical pastors or stun supporters of
Zionism just can't stop repeating Biblical prophecies.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Israel, fasten your seatbelt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
You're seeing Bible prophecy fulfilled in your lifetime, in real
time before your very eyes.

Speaker 7 (01:29:57):
We shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
I would argue this one of the reasons why it's
so captivating, right because people there's already this millennial spirit
within America, and then you have pastors, especially Megachurch, so
you're surrounded by all these people and all these lights
and all this opulence, and they're telling you you are
living during the end times. If you want to watch
the unfolding of prophecy, look at what's going on to Israel.

(01:30:20):
They're being persecuted and anybody who says differently is an
enemy of God. Yeah, craptivating, Tony Bowman says, craptivating. That
is very active, that is very apropos It is very craptivating,
very much craptivating. But you can see why the Boomers,
why they're so intensely enamored with this worldview, be shocked

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and surprised that Satan is still at his same goal
because Prophecy talks about how Messiah will come back again.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
So what is Christian Zionism. Christian Zionism is centered around
an end of the world interpretation of Christianity, the belief
in the return of Jewish people to Israel leading to
the second coming of Jesus Christ. It is one of
the common factors that binds Christian Zionists with Zionism.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Christian Zionism pre dates Jewish Zionism by at least fifty
years and today dominates the Zionist movement at least ten
to one, probably nearer twenty thirty to one. For every
Jewish Zionist, there are twenty or thirty Christian Zionists and
thefo nessa now who knows he needs a Christian, particularly

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the Christian right in America, Canada, Sweden, Holland much of Europe,
in order to maintain his position and to continue the
expansion of the Zionis the gender in Palestine.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
And over the decades, this influential movement has dictated US
foreign policy when it comes to the Israel Palestine conflict.
Remember when former US President Donald Trump made a candid
confession during a rally in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
And we moved the capital. This is what I was
referring to. I'm so glad that this had because I
saw it on x. This is again Trump talking about
moving the capital Jerusalem, and how the Evangelicals are more
excited than even the Jews are.

Speaker 8 (01:32:20):
But of Israel to Jerusalem, that's for the evangelical, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
It's amazing with that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
The evangelicals are more excited about that than Jewish people.
It's really right, It's incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
Currently, more than one hundred members of the US Congress
can be identified as evangelical. Joe Biden, the current US President,
has openly identified as a Zionist.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
You need not be a Jew to be a Zionist.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
There are hundreds of organizations in the United States founded
by Christian Zionists that call for public support for the
state of Israel, the biggest among them being Christians United
for Israel with ten million members, led by the evangelist
John Hage.

Speaker 9 (01:33:12):
God is getting ready to defend Israel in such a
supernatural way. Is going to take the breath out of
the lungs of the dictators on prenator.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Evangelical support for Israel does not just stop at political
law being, influencing foreign policy and mobilizing public opinion, but
also fundraising and organizing tours of the occupied West Bank,
including funding settlements in the occupied territories, which are illegal
under international law. Evangelicals also oppose the two state solution,

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believing that dividing the land will incur God's disfavor.

Speaker 6 (01:33:51):
To Israel's strategy in the occupied territories and in Gaza,
it is to depopulate them and still more more land.
And if you believe that there's going to be a
war of armageddon, that we are on God's side, Israel's
on God's side, and anyone who opposes ass on the
enemy's side.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
And this bias is reflected in the port where a
majority of Americans are supporting Israel or Palestinians amid the
current conflict.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
So there is absolutely no justification for the killing of civilians,
the genocide, for the kind of saturation bombing we're seeing
in Gaza at the moment. And messenaw who knows that,
And so he's pulling out of Scripture a verse here
a verse there to try and plicate his main constituency,

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which is the Christian Zionist movement.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
So you can see how the events unfolding right now
are explicitly tied with the influence that Zionism has on
American politics. And to demonstrate that on a show you
a few things real quick. So first one is out
of the words of Ted Cruz himself. So this is
a little clip that I want to show you guys
from the Tucker Carlson interview where Cruz literally states that

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this right before this, I don't think it's in this clip,
but before it, he states that his sole mission when
becoming a US Senator was to be a politician on
behalf of the welfare of Israel. And then he says, well,
this is part of my christian And then Tucker says, well,
where's that at? And of course he has no idea
where it's from. He's just regurgitating these lines. And does

(01:35:37):
he even believe it. I mean, I'm skeptical that Ted
Cruz is even truly believes in Christianity, believes in some
of this stuff. But he's made like, at least from
some of the visible donations from APAC. He's made like
two million dollars from Apak. So maybe that's the reason
why he's so vocal. So this is right after that

(01:35:57):
section where Tucker just challenged him on y, well, that's
what you believe about Israel. Where to come from?

Speaker 10 (01:36:02):
Where does my support for Israel come from? Number one?
Because biblically, we're commanded to support Israel. But number two, no, no,
hold on, you're a senator and now you're throwing out theology,
and I am a Christian, I am allowed to weigh
in on this. We are commanded as Christians support the
government of Israel. We are commanded to support Israel. And
what does that mean is we're told those who bless
Israel be blessed. But what hold on? Define Israel? This

(01:36:24):
is important? Are you kidding this majority Christian country? Define Israel?
Could do you not know what Israel is? That would
be the country you've asked like forty nine questions about.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
So that is Israel? Audennya, the Mma fighter is that?
That must that must be who we have to support, right,
I mean, this is basic word concept fallacy stuff here.
This is this is real basic low level theology. That okay,
But just because there's the nation state of Israel, nineteen
forty eight. Doesn't mean that's the same thing as the

(01:36:54):
Old Testament, dude, Like, no Christian believe this until two
hundred some years ago, no one.

Speaker 10 (01:37:00):
That's what Genesis, that's what God is talking about. Nation
of Israel. Yes, and he's so. Is that the current borders,
the current leadership. He's talking with the political instity called Israel.
He's talking about the nation of Israel. He had nations exists,
and he's discussing a nation. A nation was the people
of Israel. He is the nation that God is referring
to in Genesis. Is that the same as the country
run by Benjamina who raised.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 10 (01:37:21):
And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanya
who is a dictator. It's it's a democrat, but he's
the prime minister.

Speaker 7 (01:37:28):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:37:29):
But just just like you know, America is the country
run by Donald Trump? Not actually the American people elected
Donald Trump the same principle as Sicily, I'm talking about
the political entity of modern Israel. Yes, and that is
you believe that's what God was talking about is Genesis.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
I do.

Speaker 10 (01:37:43):
But but that country has existed since when for thousands
of years now, there was a time when it didn't
exist and then it was recreated just over seven. But
I'm saying I think most people understand that line in
Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
That's not what it says.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
Okay, it Israel, but you don't even know where in
the Bible it is so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
And this is where if Tucker was a little bit
more sophisticated theology, could have easily said, Okay, so Israel
is the promise of Abraham and the first Covenant that
God then makes with his people. But I thought, we're Christians,
and we believe in the Second Covenant. Christ fulfills the law,
He fulfills the old Covenant. We have a new covenant

(01:38:31):
in the Church is Israel. So when I read Genesis
twelve one through three, which is the verse they're referring to,
which I have right here. If you guys want, I
can even refer to the footnotes here. Well, we then
are Israel. We are the continuation, and therefore the nation
state of Israel is the inversion. It's the false Israel.

(01:38:52):
It's from an Orthodox perspective, the Antichrist Israel. It's led
by the spirit of Antichrist. For worldly domination. That is
not exactly the same thing.

Speaker 10 (01:39:03):
And I don't remember their scriptural citation, but okay, I
keep just sixteen or.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Something like that. But yes, it's twelve.

Speaker 10 (01:39:12):
It's in the earlier part of the book. But the
point is you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
It's important to know what you're talking about.

Speaker 10 (01:39:19):
I don't know what you're so you're saying, as a Christian,
if I believe in Jesus, I have to support the
modern state of Israel. I'm not saying that. I'm explaining
for me what my vote motivation is.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
But you okay, So I'm just trying to understand.

Speaker 10 (01:39:33):
You said God tells you to support the modern state
of Israel in the Bible, in some place in the
Bible that you heard about, but you don't know where
it is. That's your theology. You're going back. Am I
a sleazy feline again? I mean, if you're excuesday, yes
you are ted, We'll see that, but I don't think
you will try to be a little less condescending. I'm
trying to have a coming. You're throwing this stuff out
and it's my job to figure out what you're talking about.

(01:39:54):
But I don't understand. But you're not letting me Okay,
I'm sorry, I want to be polite. That is for
me a personal motivation. But I also what I was
about to say, I don't believe my personal faith, not
everyone who I represent as a Christian. It's not an
argument for me to give that we should do this

(01:40:15):
because of my faith, and so as an elected official,
I don't give that as the reason we should support Israel.
That is a personal motivation for me, but I don't
think it is the reason we should. The reason that
I am the leading defender of Israel is because Israel
is our strongest ally in the Middle East, an incredibly
troubled part of the world, and supporting Israel benefits America.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I was hoping you had some of the Alex Jones ones.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
How is that okay? So you see that is the
driving motivation of Ted Cruz is to support the nation
state of Israel. Rough hands been a total crew member
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(01:43:29):
So this is something that I saw. This was today.
Israel has absolutely no support with Trump voters under thirty,
and Israel first policies are even turning off older MAGA diehards.
Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon made a post that said Israel
first when when the Trump administration yesterday, which then they
silently went and edited, we're talking about this disaster relief,

(01:43:54):
claiming that oh yeah, American cities that want to boycott Israel,
you're not going to get disaster relief. It's like one
point nine billion dollars that is in reserve for these
types of things. And Steve Bannon reposted on Getter. I'm
not on Getter, but I saw the screenshot on x
saying Israel first, which is huge. If Steve Bannon is

(01:44:16):
calling out the Zionist problems with the Trump administration, I
would say, you know, it's not going to change anything,
but at least it's a movement in the right direction.
Here is Mike Johnson. They're on recess right now. Of course,
remember they prevented the release of the Epstein documents right
before they left. They wouldn't even allow a vote to

(01:44:36):
take place on it. And here is him stating that
he is in Israel, and I'm going to play this
for you. So here here's the head of the US
House of Representatives spending his time on recess in Israel

(01:44:58):
and delivers a speech at the way Billing Wall in Israel,
later adding that the Bible tells Christians to always stand
with Israel, a nation founded in nineteen forty eight. Why
is this not working?

Speaker 11 (01:45:16):
Come on, a speaker of the House of Representatives in America.
We're here with a delegation of members of the House.
We're so grateful to be in Israel, particularly on this day,
recognizing the destruction of the temples and two.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Times in history.

Speaker 11 (01:45:40):
But it is such a movie time for us to
be here, to be here at the whaling Wall. We've
offered our prayers, we put our notes into the wall
as just traditional, and we're so moved by the hospitality
of the people and the great love of Israel. Our
prayer is that America will always stand with Israel, and
that we pray for the preservation and the peace of Jerusalem.
That's what Scripture tells us to do. It's a matter

(01:46:02):
of faith for us and a commitment that.

Speaker 7 (01:46:04):
We have.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
That's not what scripture says. This is a heresy two
hundred years ago, Mike. But again, who would be surprised
when this was the first public comment he made, or
right when he got the gavel, the first public comment
was that he wanted to send more funding to Israel,
and here he is bragging about in front of his

(01:46:28):
boyfriend at Yahoo.

Speaker 12 (01:46:29):
The first piece of legislation I passed after taking the
gavel was a resolution of reaffirming the US's commitment to
the security of Israel. That was a very important gesture
on our part, and of course I was happy to
pass the security assistance funding when Israel needed it the most.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Oh, that's great. Let's see how much Mike Johnson's got
from APAK. This is at least one tracker. I wouldn't
be surprised at his way. More so, basically over three
quarter of a million dollars, almost a million dollars. I
would suspect it's more than that. And this is a
little interesting thing that I saw today. This is August fifth,

(01:47:06):
is here is a photo of the Greater Israel efforts. Right,
so this is the biblical land that they claim they
need to restore so that their Messiah, their Mashiak or
Antichrist could return. I had no idea, but according to this,
they literally have a patch of the Greater Israel on
the IFD uniforms. So again American support what's going on

(01:47:32):
with Netanyahu's Israel. This is all related to these theological
underlying sentiments. Here's again, Speaker Johnson visited the Jewish Israeli
settlement in the West Bank, a trip organized by pro
Israel advocacy group. Johnson didn't visit Taba, the exclusively Christian
town under attack by Jewish settlers. No no, no, no no,

(01:47:54):
or any other areas in the West Bank under siege
by an expansionary Israel. So not too interested in the
persecution of Christians. Again, and if I wanted to, I
could pull up all these videos of Christians being spit
on when they go to Israel, how they're treated by
the Israeli population. No concern for American politicians. And of
course tel Aviv Levin, says Speaker Johnson, knows history and

(01:48:17):
has the guts to declare it not quite. Not quite.
Here is the ambassador, the current ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee,
who's also a Christian Zionist laying out his support for Israel.

Speaker 7 (01:48:33):
I have a Jewish friend from New York Aspy. One
time we were in Israel together and he said, why
is it that evangelical Christians are so supportive of the
Jewish people and of Israel? And I said, it's quite, frankly,
pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
I said.

Speaker 7 (01:48:47):
You can be Jewish and have nothing whatsoever to do
with Christians, But I can't be a Christian and not
have everything to do with the Jewish people, the Jewish faith,
the scriptures, everything I believe is built on the foundation
of that. So for me and most evangelicals would say

(01:49:10):
the same thing. We're people of the book. It's simple.
So if you read in Genesis that God blesses those
who bless his will and curse those who curse Israel,
this gets pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
I have so again, this is just coming up so
much so regarding that verse, it says, I will bless
those who bless you and curse those who curse you.
In all the tribes of the earth shall be blessed.
Does this sound like all the tribes of the earth
are blessed through Israel. No, they're blessed through the Church.

(01:49:42):
Because the Church is what incorporates and the graphs the
world into itself. And this is the Holy Spirit spoke
through the prophet. This is the footnote in the Orthodox
Study Bible. He spoke through the prophet Moses, who wrote
the scripture. Thus, Saint Paul said, and the scripture for
seeing that God would justify the gen Tiles by faith,

(01:50:02):
preached the Gospel to Abraham beforehand. Why because Abraham wasn't
Jewish beforehand, saying in you all the nations shall be blessed.
Thus the Holy Spirit preached the Gospel before Abraham. The
Holy Spirit inspired Moses to write in verse one that

(01:50:23):
the Lord said to Abraham this scripture. Who is this Lord?
He is the God, the Father. And at Saint Paul,
indicating Glatians three eight, God would justify the Gentiles by faith.
Thus the Father preached the Gospel beforehand to Abraham. And
it continues so very different reading, very different reading from
what they got. Next one, Oh, his daughter Governor of Arkansas,

(01:50:50):
Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Great day with my friends, speaker Johnson
in Samaria. Oh you mean the West Bank, You mean
where they're again genociding more Palestinians. Is that what you're
talking about this year I signed the Judaea Samaria Act
to rightfully address Israel's land west of the Jordan River
as Judaea and Samaria and rejecting the politically motivated narratives

(01:51:12):
that attempt to delegitimize Israel's presence in their homeland. Oh okay,
and then here's her and her mother at the whaling wall.
This was actually posted by Mike Huckabee. So again worshiping Israel,
idolizing Israel, idolizing Jews, putting them over Christ and the
Christian faith in the history of Christianity. Here's Mike Johnson

(01:51:38):
now addressing the conference in Ariel is the highest ranking
US federal official to visit Judaea and Samaria. Amazing, And
as Toad says here, the US government is a foreign
occupied government. Here's what Trump said yesterday. The Trump administration
will withhold federal disaster preparedness funding from US day and

(01:52:00):
cities that boycott Israeli companies. Now you can boycott American companies, guys,
you can boycott anything made in America, but you can't
boycott Israeli companies. FEMA requires applicants to to certify that
they will not restrict commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies
to qualify for assistance. This rule affects at least one

(01:52:23):
point nine billion in grants for essential equipment like search
and rescue gear, emergency management salaries, and backup power systems,
per eleven FEMA grant notices reviewed by Reuters. This is
part of the administration's broader effort to use federal funding
to promote its position on Israel. Absolutely disgusting, putting Israel

(01:52:44):
and Israel companies above the well being of Americans. And
they could even be MAGA supporting Christians, Zionist Christians that
are affected by disaster relief. But if the state, if
some politician wants to boycott Israel, they're left on their own.
That is disgusting, Absolutely disgusting. Here, Alexander Dugan says something

(01:53:06):
that I think everybody's thinking. The alex A Mosque is
going to be destroyed by Greater Israel, by the Greater
Israel team. That is what all this mess is about. True,
that is true. And then Eric mayor Eric Adams tish
Babbah marks a solemn day morning the destruction of the
temples in Jerusalem and centuries of persecution in the Jewish

(01:53:28):
Dat What is the What does the Mayor of New
York have to be like? Why do they have to
put out a tweet regarding any celebration regarding Israel or Jews?
Here is Ron DeSantis claiming that America wouldn't exist without
Israel because it is the cradle of Western civilization. What

(01:53:49):
How is Israel the cradle of Western civilization? That is
absolutely absurd?

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Here's another one again, Mike Johnson at The Western Wall.
I thought George Galloway's comments here was interesting, perfectly normal
for a Christian third highest personage in the United States
of America. I mean, where else is he supposed to
pray on vacation? I mean the church where Jesus lay
is all of one hundred yards away. Come to think
of it, Why do these people never post pictures there?

(01:54:25):
Why do they never post pictures at the Holy the
Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Hmm? Interesting? Here's Randy Fine.
I don't even want to read this fat Zionist. He's
such a Zionist. The APAC lobby had to pull him
off like one of their boards of leaders because he's
so revolting to Americans that they didn't they don't they

(01:54:46):
already are aware of the dwindling support for Israel in America,
especially amongst younger people, and because he's so reviled, they're like, Okay,
why don't we why don't we pull you back a
little bit? Randy Fine. So anyways, he says, I prayed

(01:55:06):
for Donald Trump and his leadership of our country in
the world. I pray for Israel that it may win
our collective war against Muslim terror and that is continue
to prosper. I pray that the hostage is being held
by the Gosens, oh, by the Gozsins, and it's no
longer Hamas right, it's the Gosins. We got to kill
all the Gozsins, that no more shall perish at the

(01:55:28):
hands of the devil incarnate. The Gosins are the devil incarnate.
This dude is disgusting. I mean literally evil, literally evil,
That's what I mean. That all this stuff is a
spirit of Antichrist. I thought this was funny, a little
ai rendition of Ted Cruz. Here's Mark Levin literally saying

(01:55:51):
that almost a thousand IDF troops dying is equivalent to
the deaths of tens of thousands of American soldiers. Kid
you not, so your life is not as valuable as
in Israeli. According to Mark Levin, tell the.

Speaker 8 (01:56:04):
Country in the world has fed the citizens of an
enemy that is still in an active war.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
None is well as fighting Hamas.

Speaker 8 (01:56:15):
Do you know how the Ideaf soldiers has lost?

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
No, you don't.

Speaker 8 (01:56:19):
Why because the American media doesn't give it. Damn, the
Western media doesn't give it.

Speaker 10 (01:56:24):
Damn.

Speaker 8 (01:56:24):
Who are these ideas soldiers? They're young men and women.
They're the citizens of Israel. They come out of their.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
Who are these young babies and the children and the
men and women of God? The Palestinians? Who are they?
Who are there are they can't be innocent? Like Randy Fine?
Are they the devil incarnate?

Speaker 8 (01:56:42):
Restaurants and cafes, Their plumbers, they're electricians, their truck drivers.
They're doctors and nurses.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Oh wow, oh my gosh, Israel has doctors and nurses. Wow,
we better support than they're.

Speaker 8 (01:56:57):
So valuable, regular people. How many of them have died?
Nobody wants to know. Almost a thousand, oh, Mark a thousand.
It's a nation of nine million people. That would be
like tens of thousands of our soldiers dying on top
of tens and tens of thousands of Israelis who are

(01:57:17):
slaughtered by Hamas. Israel Is surrounded by hundreds of millions
of Arabs who've got more land than they know what
to do with. They're surrounded this tiny little democracy. The
funny thing is, see how.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
It always goes back to the democracy. The democracy. Well,
I'm not a big fan of democracy. Mark, Well, what's
that supposed to do for me?

Speaker 8 (01:57:40):
They're the indigenous peoples of the area. They'll go back
over four thousand years. The archaeology proves it. There are
the indigenous peoples there who are told about. Tell me
how many Christians are left in the Middle East?

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
You know, jud Uh, you know that that's an interesting
question there, Mark, because I would argue that the expansion
of Israel and America and wars in the Middle East
has been the most destructive thing for Christians in the
Middle East. The taking out of Saddam Hussein, who don't
have to say he's a great person, don't have to
say I supported Saddam, but he did keep a rack together.

(01:58:14):
He did have Christian communities actually be able to be
preserved and not persecuted by radical Muslim Same thing with
assad in Syria. Now, when I come to think of it,
I believe Israel was the main advocate for us to
go in there and actually overthrow and topple those regimes. Huh,
I would say, Israel is actually one of the biggest

(01:58:35):
persecutors of Christians.

Speaker 8 (01:58:37):
Was born right there in the Holy Land. Then Christianity
was born right there in the Holy Land. Six seven
hundred years later comes Islam. How many Christians are left
in the Arab countries. Well, we have Coptic Christians in Egypt.
They're under attack, they're being killed there as well. Tell
me how many Jews are left in any of the

(01:58:57):
Arab countries? Two states salution? Is this a joke?

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
No, No, it's not a joke. It's real. I think
people with a heart, people with the understanding of history
would support that. According to this guy, this was interesting.
I don't know if it's true or not, but this
guy is a huge MAGA account. I don't follow him,
but I've seen him on X and he's pissed because
Speaker Johnson lied to me. He personally told me that

(01:59:23):
he would be spending his recess in his district. I
don't think Israel is his district. Why couldn't he be
honest at the bare minimum? So here we see even
and I've saw multiple people on X these were like
kind of Christian Zionist maga boomer people that are like, well,
this is going too far, this is going way too
far right now. And here's of course Trump vance Johnson

(01:59:49):
all touching the whaling wall with their yamakas on. And
then here's some propaganda, so everybody knows that they're starving
people in Gaza. They're killing God and Palestinians when they're
literally going to get resources and food because people are starving,
they're dehydrated. And yeah, I literally saw a video of

(02:00:13):
children being shot trying to get food. But Israel pays
for ads in Times Square to say only Israelis are
starving in Gaza. Yeah, yeah, uh huh uh huh I bet,
I bet. And I'm not sure exactly what was supposed

(02:00:36):
to be here anyways, Uh, these articles I'm going to
get into in part two. The GOP's planned to build
the Third Temple, and even Pete Hegsath desired to build
the Third Temple on the Temple Mountain. These I'm going
to get into in the part two of this stream.
If you want to hear Father Peter Hears. This was
a video of Father Peter Hears talking a little bit
about Christian Zionism and dispensationalism and the role of Jews

(02:00:59):
from an Or Knox perspective. You guys can check that
out if you'd like. This was an interesting video by
Hank Honigraff, who's actually Orthodox, he's the Bible answer Man.
He converted to Orthodoxy, and this is him laying out
the airs of Darby and dispensationalism and trying to actually
tie it with the development of Darwin and that Darwin's

(02:01:22):
theory of macroevolution, Darwinian theory, along with Darby's dispensational theology.
Hank Honigraff in this video argues, these are two of
the most demonic and potentially satanic, I mean not potentially,
is satanic forces in the modern period. Is Darby's dispensationalism

(02:01:44):
how it's corrupted Christianity, And then Darwin's how it's how
it's corrupted anthropology and human perception of life and sort
of secular philosophy and stuff like that. And then here
we're not gonna watch this video, but then this is
Pastor Paula White, the official voice of Christianity for the
Trump administration. Who's won is a prosperity gospel preacher, who's

(02:02:08):
an adulteress, who's a fraud. She's fraud people out a
bunch of money before, and she's an immense Christian Zionist.
And this is her talking about lighting Shabbat candles in
solidarity with Israel. And if you go back, you'll see
that she was just with net Yahoo. This is nine
days ago net Naho, his wife Sarah, and Paula White

(02:02:29):
discussed Israel's mission at Christian conference and here's the full video.
We're not going to watch any of this stuff. This
is Netanyahu's statement that together we are one Jews and
Christian Zionist. If you want to watch this, this is
Paula White saying net and Yah, who's the greatest prime
minister in Israel's history. So if you're already a bit nauseoust,

(02:02:53):
don't watch these because it might make you a little
bit more nauseous. However, here we go. Now we're going
to get in something fun. We're gonna get into some
John Hagey on what Christians need to know about Israel
and biblical prophecy.

Speaker 9 (02:03:07):
So check this out the Jewish people and to the
state of Israel, because today is going to come when
you will be rewarded in heaven for doing exactly that
Israel needs. Are Vosh, the Jewish people need our help.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
For believers want just to catch up on some super chats.
Sincere hypocrite throws in five, says, I don't get how
these Zionists glaze modern day Judaism when they are way
worse than the Pharisees. Agreed. I don't get how they
can go to Israel and see the animosity towards Christians
and like not care not like connect the dots. It's

(02:03:46):
it's quite incredible. Jason been a member for three months.
Thank you so much, baby, Thank you so much. Brother.
Jason Scholl throws renewed as membership said, how do you
get so based in buff rhetorical question Christian orthodoxy. Let's
go exactly. If you do want to learn some workout

(02:04:07):
regiments and strategy, we are doing that in the Logos
Academy so school dot com Ford slash Logos Academy. So
all right, thank you for that, Jason Shoul, God bless you, brother,
and all right, let's get back to John Hagy, this
is this was a fun one.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
Watching this show.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
Who said, well, you know, Jerusalem, I read about it
in my Bible. It say it's far away. Why why
does it matter to every believer?

Speaker 9 (02:04:38):
Christians in America really have little comprehension about what the
city of Jerusalem means to God. The Bible says, Jerusalem
is the city, the city of God. The Bible says
that God has placed his name there. That's that's the
only city in the world where God has lived written

(02:05:00):
his name. And as you fly over the city of
Jerusalem on the side of one of those mountains in
perfect stone formation or the Hebrew letters for Jehovah, and
God has put his name there. This is the place
where Abraham placed his son on the altar and proved

(02:05:22):
to God, the god he could not man.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
Look at that pupah. Look at that pupah, the John
Hagy fupah. That is amazing. That brother, I'd be less
concerned about Israel and more concerned about your belt. Brother.
That thing, that thing looks like it's experiencing armageddon right now.

(02:05:48):
Good Lord, that thing's got the strength of Samson.

Speaker 9 (02:05:56):
Let's see, Abraham was an idolator. He came out of
a pagan society. He was learning to walk by faith,
and he was getting ready to take the life of
his only son, only covenant son, to prove his love
for God. This happened on the Temple Mount in the
city of Jerusalem. This is the place where King David

(02:06:18):
captured Jerusalem from the Jebusites and made it the capital
of Israel. And that happened over three thousand years in
the future.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
He goes on for like five more minutes about the
importance of Jerusalem. We're skipping to the prophecy around Israel.

Speaker 9 (02:06:33):
After the Tribulation, when Christ after the Tribulation, when Christ
comes back, he's gonna rule from the Third Temple.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
Comes back to Earth.

Speaker 9 (02:06:44):
He's going to put his foot on the Mount of
Olives with all of the body of Christ following him.
This is Revelation talking, and that mountain is going to
split in half, and Christ is going to walk through
that valley up the Temple Mount into the city of
Jerusalem that will come down from the throne of God.

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He is establishing then a kingdom that shall never end.
It is the final kingdom. Therefore, Jerusalem is not just
the epicenter of the past. But it is the shoreline
of eternity. No other city compares to that, Washington, Rome, Moscow, London.

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They'll be like a tent at the end of a
dirt road. When Jesus Christ sets up his eternal kingdom
in the city of Jerusalem, there's a very powerful presence
of God in that city.

Speaker 3 (02:07:41):
Why is yeah, as followers of Jesus, Jerusalem should be
important to us, because as you just laid out, Pastor,
it's so important to God Almighty, so it's very important
to us.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
Take it back.

Speaker 3 (02:07:58):
Three thousand years plus, Pastor, of the Jewish people were
in Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (02:08:02):
It was their ancestral eternal capital.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
Yet we have some today at the United Nations and
elsewhere denying that there was every any Jewish presence in Jerusalem,
in the Old City, the Temple mount of the Western Wall.
Why is this such a problem today to have people
denying Israel's claim to Jerusalem. This is a dangerous movement
we have around the world right now, denying history.

Speaker 9 (02:08:28):
Has been said, they're none so blind as those who
refuse to see, and they simply refused to see. As
we sit here right now, they are uncovering the City
of David in Jerusalem. Every few days they find something
in Jerusalem or in Israel that has the name of
a Bible prophet or someone who worked in government who

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sealed official documents. Those implements of archaeology are testimonial of
the veracity of the fact that Jerusalem has always been
the heritage of the Jewish people and only the Jewish
people today, yesterday, to Marl and forever. Jerusalem belongs to

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the Jewish people.

Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
You were talking, and you see how it totally nullifies
the Salvafic victory of Christ. So Jews are something totally separate,
have their own timeline, have their own salvation, the real
work of God, the fathers working out through the tribulation,
the nation state and global dominance of Israel. Well, how
does that relate to Christ? You see how it's such

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an explicit Christian heresy and a denial of Christ's Salvafic work.
What here we go. God blesses those who bless Israel,
and he speaks like it in like poem.

Speaker 3 (02:09:52):
Form about how nations will be judged on how they
have treated Israel.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
Absolutely, some senate a comment Mista Fista says, hey, he
looks exactly like the holding Blood feast meme. Yeah, oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (02:10:21):
It's very very important. Can't talk more about that.

Speaker 9 (02:10:23):
Absolutely. Whenever, let's take it. Let's say the rapture happens
right now, the Bride of Christ goes to heaven. We
will all go through the judgment seat of Christ, where
we are judged for our lives. It's not if you're
going to heaven or not. You're already there, but the

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quality of your Christian life is going to be measured.
You will be given one of five different kinds of crowns.
I write this in the latest book that I have
just written, And.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
So I came up with this ideal about the crowns
that when you're shirt up and you're caught up into Heaven,
you're gonna get these different type of crowns. And I
wrote it to my new book. Link is in the
video description. And this is going to tell everybody what's
going to happen when everybody's wrapped shirt up.

Speaker 9 (02:11:17):
And those crowns will tell you what you have done
on this earth. The soul winner's crown, the elder's crown,
the Victor's crown, the crown of life. These crowns you
will have and then the Robe of righteousness, which is
the robe that is the reflection of your righteous acts
on the earth. That's a direct quote from the Bible.

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We will be there for seven years now, going through
the marriage Supper of the Lamb, and then we're going
to come back to earth and there when Jesus Christ
comes back after the Tribulation, he is going to have
a period of time where he does first judges the nations.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
It's called the Judgment of the Nations.

Speaker 9 (02:12:03):
And the basis of this judgment is how did you
treat the Jewish people? And how did you treat the
nation of Israel? And Jesus said in his mondy.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
So you're going to be judged. One of the number
one questions God's going to ask you is how did
you treat Jewish people and the nation state of Israel?
What what? This is the primary when you come back
from the tribulation, how did you treat the Jews? That's

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on you, boy, that's on you. That's what God's gonna
want to know.

Speaker 9 (02:12:45):
You've done it unto the least of these, my brethren.
He's talking about the Jewish people, not gentiles. Jesus never
called the gentile his brother before the Cross. Before the cross,
we were pagans, were, as Paul said, outside the covenants
of Israel, without God and without hope. But he said,

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when this moment comes, I'm going to judge these nations
based on how they have treated the Jewish people, and
those who have abused the Jewish people, he says, will
be cast into eternal torment, and those who have blessed
the Jewish people will be well.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
The irony is as he's talking about Old Testament passages
that have already been, that have already happened, came and went,
and that whole first Governant has been fulfilled in Christ,
as I've said multiple times. So what he's doing is
pulling again quote mining old Testament scripture and acting as
if it already hasn't happened and hasn't been fulfilled, and
denying the validity of Christ's victory in the Second Covenant.

Speaker 9 (02:13:48):
Be invited to enter into the Millennial Kingdom. There is
a fact from Genesis twelve to the last dot in
tittle of the Book of Revelation.

Speaker 1 (02:14:01):
From Genesis twelve to the last dot and tittle your
little hand can touch. It's about whether you're blessed Israel
or not all right?

Speaker 9 (02:14:14):
That the person, the nation, the church that blesses Israel,
God will bless and those who do not bless Israel
are the Jewish people do not nearly as prosper as
those who do.

Speaker 3 (02:14:27):
Yeah, and Pastor, as you've said many times, history bears
that out. At Kufai, Christian United for Israel, i'd say
we are a Genesis twelve three organization. We truly believe
that God blesses those who bless Israel. Curse those who
curse Israel, Pastor, as you've so eloquently laid out time
and time again, Haman, the Nazis, the Philistines, the Romans,

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the Greeks all abused Israel, and the Jewish people where
are they today? They're in the ash heap of history.
But Israel survives, thrives against all odds, shifting gears. For
a second, Pastor, Born to be Blessed, Pastor, this.

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
Book for me, a great read in Pastor, for this
book for me, I just want you to just take
off that belt right now and bend over. I gotta
give you what you deserve. This is just fantastic work.
Pull off that belt. It's already about to break. Off
and let me give you a kiss. All right, now

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we're going to we're skipping talking about Christians United for Israel.
That's the group that John Hagy started. And then this
is him talking about his book Born to Be Blessed.
This is him talking about supporting Israel.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Come on, you were honored recently as one of the
most yea seventy most influential people in the modern history
of Israel since Israel's miraculous freebirth in nineteen forty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
This was great. You have the metal here again, one
of only seventy people.

Speaker 4 (02:16:00):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
Check this out. I love it. Pastor was honored.

Speaker 1 (02:16:04):
This is one of seventy good guys that got rewarded
by Israel for telling everybody that they're going to be
judged if they don't love them and idolize them. Man,
that's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:16:17):
With this very deservedly so I must say it says
Americans who have strengthened Israel and its alliance with the
United States. Now, the Israeli Embassy did this to commemorate
the seventieth anniversary of the modern rebirth of Israel, and Pastor,

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you were one of the seventy elect I guess you
would say, honored with this beautiful medal. How did that feel?
This really had to be a culmination of your life's
work on Israel.

Speaker 9 (02:16:48):
Yeah, it's really mind boggling. I'm extremely humbled by even
having been considered because this was something given by the
Israeli government and these people are seventy people or people
who ever lived. I mean they began with Albert Einstein.

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So I think there's only twenty eight of us that
are alive that received this. And my son had to
go to Washington to receive that from the embassy in
Washington because I was at the same day dedicating the
embassy intersally.

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
So Pastor Matt went and got the medal in DC.
He did, he did, he wore proudly.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
This is how you know I'm right. I'm right about
dispensationalist theology because Israel the government gave me a medal
telling me I'm a good boy. I'm a good boy,
and I helped Israel as an American, and so I
got my good boy gooy medal. The good boy boy

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medal is It's one of the proudest moments of my
life because it shows that I'm a pretty proud boy
boy and I got a medal for it. I'm a
good boy, boy, and thank you to Pastor Matt for
learning it to us tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
What an honor, pastor, and look, Born to be Blessed.
You've blessed Israel. You've been blessed. Your life is prospered
Christians to night for Israel's prospered.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
Your book, John, how's that new private jet working out
on you? You've been blessed?

Speaker 3 (02:18:34):
Born to be Blessed, I think has some great hints
and tips out everyone in this audience, everyone watching at home,
can be blessed, live a prosperous, abundant life. Pastor, when
you talk about this book, you get very excited. This
book seems very special to you.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
When you talk about this book, boy, you get hard
in a rock. Will you tell me a little bit
about Born being blessed?

Speaker 4 (02:18:55):
Tell us why? Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:18:58):
Whenever I preach this thing at my church, and as
you know, I preach in series because you can't really
cover a substant to Bible topic in thirty to forty minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:19:13):
It just it just unending.

Speaker 9 (02:19:17):
When you studied the Bible sixty years, it's just just
what am.

Speaker 2 (02:19:23):
I going to leave out?

Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
You and I could talk for when you study the
Bible like I have, you don't even know where to start.
You know. That's why I start with Israel. You're going
to hell if you don't support Israel. That's where I
typically start with all my biblical knowledge. Whoa where do

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I even start?

Speaker 3 (02:19:47):
Ten hours straight right now, by the way, we could
keep going and going folks.

Speaker 9 (02:19:50):
You know, and my television directors out there saying not
get off off the air.

Speaker 1 (02:19:56):
Get off the air. Hagy. He's telling me get off
that boy. You good boy boy. You you've been a
good boy boy for sixty years. He said, I've never
seen a man do what you do. It just it

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humbles me to the core.

Speaker 9 (02:20:20):
I'll tell you what so preaching the series. But the
one of the important features of this book, Born to
Be Blessed, is that I teach fathers how to bless
their children. And it's in the book.

Speaker 1 (02:20:37):
It's in the book, and it basically says, how to
sign up your American children for the IDF because that's
how you be blessed. Next one, so I know that
was a fun one. The next one's a fun one too.
This This is Pat Robinson from thirteen years ago talking
about the prophetic significance of Israel. Buckle in boy thing

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girls about to listen to You're about to listen to
some good boy go out wisdom right now. Welcome mister
fifth to the total crew membership. Thank you so much, brother,
I really appreciate that Mudworks says. So I just have
to say, praise Israel the Almighty and I get a

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private yacht. Or do I have to kiss the wall
and wear the hat? To Mudworks? Do you not read
Born to be Blessed? You got to go to the wall, boy,
You got to put the hat on and you got
to give it a kiss or the blessing won't be fulfilled.

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Jerusalem is the city of God, and it being the
city of God means you must kiss the wall and
put on the little hat. Boy. Any way, sorry, thank
you Mudworks. Thank you for the comment, brother, and thanks
for being a member for twenty seven months. If trusting intensifies,

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here's Pat Robinson.

Speaker 13 (02:22:13):
People are asking how will it end? When will it end?
What are the signs of the times? Does the Bible
give us any indication of what might be happening?

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
I got to read this. I got to read mud
Works talking about Hey, let's go back. Let's let's get
a good I want to there we go. I want
a nice I want a nice aerial view. Here we go.
He looks like he's so full of blessings he's about

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to burst. Yep, yep. Well boy, if you read Born
to be Blessed, you'll learn how to have the amount
of blessings that I have under this leather belt right here. Uh,

(02:23:07):
mister Fista said, I wasn't aware God's blessings involved arteries
like concrete and to see here, mister Fista, God works
in mysterious ways. Okay, mysterious ways, and sometimes that means

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the blood pumping through your oldbese body and your inability
to see your fungi fied gut of fid feet. And
that's the that's the cross that I'm willing to carry.
You understand me, boy, And I'm sorry. Let's go over

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to Pat Robinson. I'm getting lost in the hage right now.
I'm getting lost in the sawt guys, I'm kidding lost
in the songs.

Speaker 4 (02:24:03):
I want to show you again. I like these timelines.

Speaker 13 (02:24:06):
This now is just a short period we're talking about
here and at best seven years.

Speaker 1 (02:24:14):
And guys, if you didn't know this is actually the
original dire whiteboard. So you know, spoiler alert this is
you know, this is where Jay got it. He got
shot from Pat Robinson seven hundred. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

(02:24:37):
He's about to write, He's about to educate you boys
on dispensational eschatology. He's about to tell you on what
board what's about to transpire for God's people, both the
spiritual Christian and the ethnic jew of Israel. Okay, so

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you listen to my man Pat Robinson, because he's telling
us right now on the wap board what to expect.

Speaker 13 (02:25:07):
So the question is Jesus Christ is going to come
back again at some point.

Speaker 4 (02:25:15):
So this is the second coming.

Speaker 13 (02:25:17):
We call it the blessed Hope of the Church, the
return of the Lord.

Speaker 4 (02:25:22):
And the Bible says that.

Speaker 13 (02:25:24):
When he comes back, he will take his own people
to be with him.

Speaker 4 (02:25:29):
Now that is called.

Speaker 13 (02:25:33):
The repture, and that comes from me word rapio, which
means I snatched the catching up. Now, Jesus said that
before he comes back again, it's going to be like
the days of Noah. Before they get it into the ark,
people were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they

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were giving in marriage before the flood came and destroyed
them all. He said, it'll be like it was in
the days of Solomon Gamara. They were eating, they were drinking,
they were planting, they were building, until the fire came
from heaven and destroyed them.

Speaker 1 (02:26:19):
Well, Pat, there's something I need to add to this,
and that has to do when you're talking about sodom
and Gomorrah, you're you kind of left out the sodomy
part when when the angels were in the city, you see,
the men wanted to sleep with them. Pat. And so
when we're talking about before Noah, what we're talking about

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is degeneracy and evil. The wrap, you know, the rapture,
that's rapture. Oh gosh, Mudwork says, he's so super extra
megachurch Christian. He took on the physical form of the
boulder that was placing in Jesus is too. You see.

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That's that's called rapture. It comes from It's come from
the Latin rap too rap to God. I'm sorry, guys,
I'm probably obnoxious, but I am having fun. I hope
you guys are having fun too.

Speaker 4 (02:27:24):
So that's the way it's going to be.

Speaker 13 (02:27:26):
It will happen suddenly it will happen unexpectedly, and yet
Paul says, this day won't catch you on a way.

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
So his point is to say, look, peop, you know,
look people before Noah, they're doing the same thing you
were doing. They were eating, they were drinking, they're even
planting food, and they're trying to build stuff. You're trying
to build stuff. I know you, I know you.

Speaker 4 (02:27:54):
You're a good Christian diner.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
You're trying to build stuff. You're eating and drinking. You
may be planting, maybe you're a farmer, little agricultural emphasis,
but I'm going to tell you what they're doing the
same thing you were doing before Noah came, before the
flood came. So you don't know when the end is
all right there.

Speaker 13 (02:28:15):
Now, the big debate has been on this thing up
up here is called the trily Shun, and the question
is when does the Lord come back?

Speaker 4 (02:28:29):
Does he come back before, then, does he come back after?

Speaker 10 (02:28:33):
Then?

Speaker 4 (02:28:33):
Does he come back in the middle of it?

Speaker 13 (02:28:35):
Well, I'm sure I will get everybody mad when I
give you my point of view, but I think it's
what the Bible has to say, and I want to
stick with.

Speaker 1 (02:28:43):
Well, I mean, I'll tell you my personal opinion, but
it really doesn't matter because I'm just telling you what
scripture says. All right, I'm just telling you what the
word of God is. You could say it's my opinion,
but it's really not. Because I'm inspired, I'm kind of
a monotonous. But but you know, you can say it's

(02:29:03):
my opinion. But this is just Bible. This is just Bobby.
Read your Bible. You'll see him right the Bible.

Speaker 4 (02:29:10):
So let's see what Jesus said.

Speaker 13 (02:29:11):
All right, what did Jesus in Matthew twenty four. He says,
there will be great distress, unequal from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (02:29:20):
Of the world until.

Speaker 13 (02:29:21):
Now, and never to be equaled again.

Speaker 4 (02:29:24):
Now look at this. I want you to look very carefully.

Speaker 13 (02:29:26):
If those days had not been cut short, no one
would survive.

Speaker 4 (02:29:34):
You see that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
Oh that's great. Let's read the footnotes in the Orthodox
Study Bible. So he's going from Matthew twenty four twenty
one through thirty one. Okay, it says a spiritual interpretation.
So at first, the severity of winter weather or respect
for the Sabbath would prevent many faithful from fleeing quickly

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in a time of desperation. A spiritual interpretation given by
the Father sees the Sabbath as symbolizing idleness with regard
to virtue, and winter as indicating fruitlessness with regard to charity.
And what matter or what manner will Christ come back?
The event will be unmistakable to the whole world. If
there is any question or doubt, that alone is evidence

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that he has not returned. As Christ's return will shine
from the east, So Orthodox Christians, whenever possible, worship facing
eastward in symbolic hope and anticipation of his second and
glory is coming. The sign of the Son of Man
is the Cross, which will be revealed in as the
standard for Christ impending judgment. While at his first coming,

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Christ came in humility and mortality, at his second coment,
he will be revealed in power and great glory. And
then the generation refers to all believers at all times,
the generation of the Church, not merely those alive at
the time of Christ. So a little bit of contact
for what he's saying.

Speaker 13 (02:31:01):
This will be something that's gonna wape both the whole
human race.

Speaker 1 (02:31:06):
No, it looks like it's kind of talking about winter,
weather and the Sabbath, and there's some allegory within it.
So again, this is the problem if they read everything
literal and then put their own spin on it.

Speaker 13 (02:31:18):
And if it had those days had not been cut short. Now,
what will do that?

Speaker 4 (02:31:24):
What will do that? Will learns?

Speaker 1 (02:31:25):
Quit?

Speaker 4 (02:31:25):
Do it? Not on your life?

Speaker 13 (02:31:27):
A flood, tsunami the way, There's only one thing I
know of that will do that.

Speaker 4 (02:31:32):
And that's an asteroid hit to the world. And that's
what the Bible said.

Speaker 1 (02:31:36):
See see you, thank God. You think God behind earthquakes.
You think an earthquake, You think a flood's gonna do this,
You think a forest fire? You better think again. The
Palladians are directing an asteroid as we speak to continental Africa,
and this is gonna explode and there's gonna be so

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much dust we're not even gonna be able to survive. Okay,
this is in the Bible. This is the Bible.

Speaker 13 (02:32:06):
In the eighth chapter of Revelation, he says, I saw
another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having what
looked like a flaming mountain, and he cast it into
the sea.

Speaker 4 (02:32:16):
And Jesus said, if it weren't.

Speaker 13 (02:32:18):
For the elect his people, his people, there will be
no flesh left on earth, and that's what he says.
He says, it's going to be so horrible in this
and you've got to realize, how's it going to end?
Isn't too pleasant? That's what he says. I want to
show you again. These are from Matthew twenty four. The

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Great distress, unequal not but for.

Speaker 4 (02:32:41):
Elect are the ones who love him. They're his people
that chosen from out of the earth. I'm one of
the elect. If you know Jesus, you're one of the elect.
And those days will be shortened.

Speaker 13 (02:32:52):
But it doesn't say anything about they'll be taken out
of the world. It just says the days will be
shortened because of them.

Speaker 4 (02:32:59):
So all of that, all flesh would die. Now look
at that. If any one.

Speaker 13 (02:33:04):
Says, look here's the Messiah, do not believe it. For
false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform many miracles,
but don't believe it. Great signs and wonders if possible
to deceive the elect. So if anyone tells you there
he is out there, don't go out that he's in
the inner room.

Speaker 4 (02:33:25):
Do not believe.

Speaker 1 (02:33:26):
Everybody tells you Jesus is already in the family room.
Downstairs in your home. Don't believe them, Just don't do it.
He ain't here yet. If they're telling you he's down
at the cafe having coffee and a little bit of brunch,
don't believe it. Don't believe it because you're the elect,

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and even some of the elect will be fooled.

Speaker 4 (02:33:52):
Leave them.

Speaker 13 (02:33:53):
For as the lightning that comes from the east is
visible even to the west, soul, the coming of the
Son of Man be For wherever there is a carcass
there the vultures will gather.

Speaker 1 (02:34:07):
Then, okay, let's look at the footnote for that exact verse. Okay,
so this one's thirty. I'll give you the footnote for
this one will.

Speaker 13 (02:34:17):
Appear the signs of the Son of Man in heaven.
And then all the people the earth will mourn when
they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of heaven with power and great glory.

Speaker 1 (02:34:29):
Which again, as what I read earlier, it's the sign
of the Son of Man is the Cross, which will
be revealed as the standard for Christ impending judgment. And
that's where in its first coming it was humility and mortality.
The second one is power and great glory. But right

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for the twenty eight verse that he just had. It's saying,
go to Luke seventeen thirty seven.

Speaker 13 (02:34:55):
And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call,
and they will gather his elect from the four winds,
from one end of the heavens to the other. Now
that doesn't sound like some secret slipping away. Now there
are people who have been teaching and it's erroneous.

Speaker 4 (02:35:11):
And I know a lot of you in.

Speaker 13 (02:35:12):
This audience will think I'm stepping on you, But I'm
going to tell you what the Bible says. You've got
to destroy the Bible if you're going to go into
some of this other stuff. And people say, well, before
there's a tribulation, Jesus is going to come back.

Speaker 4 (02:35:25):
He's going to take his own in a rapture, and
then he's going to come back seven years later or
three and a half years later.

Speaker 13 (02:35:31):
Doesn't say that he will send these angels with a
loud trumpet call and they will gather his elect from
the four winds.

Speaker 4 (02:35:39):
That's what it says. He's going.

Speaker 13 (02:35:45):
Going to gather his elect from the four winds. Now,
that's the rapture, and that is going to take place.
That's going to take place at his coming. The second
coming of Jesus Christ is what we've been looking for,
and that's called the blessed.

Speaker 1 (02:36:06):
And so it's say in regarding this great gathering, see
first Thessalonians four thirteen through eight. So I moved to
first Thessalonians four thirteen through eight. Who will participate in
Christ's return? This is what it says. But I do
not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who

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have fallen asleep. Less you sorrow as others who have
no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and
rose again, so even God will bring him those who
sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by
the word of the Lord, that we who are alive
and remain until the coming of the Lord will by
no means precede those who are asleep. And so thirteen

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through eighteen it reads one of the clearest New Testament
passages on the second coming of Christ. The first century
document that Di Dacae list three signs that will mark
the return of the Lord. The first one the signs
spread out in the heavens Christ and his host, the
sign of the trumpet, and three the resurrection of the
dead for the righteous, the return of Christ is a comfort,

(02:37:12):
not a threat. But he goes again. That's first Thessalonians
thirteen through eighteen.

Speaker 4 (02:37:20):
In the Hope of the Church. He's not going to come
three times.

Speaker 1 (02:37:23):
Oh who's the church? Is it a physical church or
just some ethereal spiritual churchmes.

Speaker 13 (02:37:27):
He's going to come once and suffering. He's going to
come back again in triumph. And that's when we will
be caught up to be with.

Speaker 4 (02:37:35):
The Lord in the air. Now. He also says in
Matthew twenty four, you.

Speaker 13 (02:37:40):
Read it carefully, immediately after the tribulation of those days,
then will appear the sign of the Son of Man
in heaven immediately after.

Speaker 1 (02:37:53):
Footnote says, according to the fathers, the Son will not
be destroyed the dark, but darkened in relation to the
glory of Christ. In other words, the sun will appear
to be dark by comparison when Christ returns in the
fullness of his splendor immediately after.

Speaker 4 (02:38:12):
Read what it says, immediately.

Speaker 13 (02:38:19):
After tribulation what it says, And they say, well, you
don't rightly divide the Word of truth.

Speaker 4 (02:38:31):
Yes I do.

Speaker 13 (02:38:32):
I've divided it right exactly like it's written immediately after
the tribulation, Then shall appear the side of the Sun
of Man in heaven.

Speaker 4 (02:38:40):
Then he shall consent out these angels.

Speaker 13 (02:38:42):
Then they shall gather the elect from the four corners
of the earth. And there's another scripture Matthew thirteen. As
the weeds are pulled up, or the tears and burned
in the fire, soul.

Speaker 4 (02:38:52):
Will be at the end of the age.

Speaker 13 (02:38:54):
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and
they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin,
and all who do evil, and they will throw them
into the blazing furnace, where they will be weeping and
gnashing of teeth. Then the rights will shine like the
sun in the kingdom of their father.

Speaker 4 (02:39:16):
Whoever has ears, let him hear.

Speaker 1 (02:39:18):
And so here's what the footnote says explicitly about those verses.
The second coming of Christ will entail a sudden revelation
of judgment, So we're going to be judged before people
are raptured. One will be taken to heaven and the
other left for eternal condemnation. The separation of the saints
from the wicked will occur at the second coming of Christ,

(02:39:40):
and not as pat Robinson and John Hagen how lindsay,
teach at a certain time before his second coming. That
is what rapture theology. They think they're going to be
caught up in the heaven before the judgment. Knew there
is no rapture, there is no rap theology. But those

(02:40:01):
who are the saint, So those who are taken to
the kingdom, that is after the judgment. That's the point
of the judgment. Then it says the Lord's purpose in
this discourse, the verse that he just finished reading forty three,
is not to make people experts on end time prophecy,
which is exactly what Pat Robinson and John Hagey are

(02:40:22):
trying to do. Rather, it is so they may watch
and be ready continuing in virtue and in obeying Christ's commandments.
This warning is illustrated in the Parable of the Returning Master.

Speaker 4 (02:40:35):
Aha, this is the Bible. That's what it says.

Speaker 13 (02:40:39):
And so at the end of the age, that's what's
going to happen.

Speaker 4 (02:40:42):
It's not going to be some secret thing.

Speaker 13 (02:40:45):
It's going to be something that's going to be trumpeted,
and the angels will come out and Jesus will say
to his annoyed come blessed to your father. Enter into
the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Speaker 1 (02:41:03):
But you can see how so many people get misled
by the Seven hundred Club and these televangelist preachers because
they just take a line and then they have a
totally totally different exit. Jesus. What I would say in Isojesus,
all of what they're reading is filtered through the prism
of Darby. Now this we're not gonna watch the whole thing,
but I thought it was worth showing. This is how Lindsay,

(02:41:27):
the famous dispensationalist pastor and author, televangelist, talking about the
modern lie of Palestine. So if you actually support Palestine
or even a potential to state solution, this is the
modern lie. You see your lied too. Boy, you alled
to Israel is for the Jews. Jerusalem is the city

(02:41:50):
of God, and you believe that Palestinians should be able
to live there. Boy, you need to read your Bible.
Read the Bible.

Speaker 14 (02:42:00):
Okay, here's how Lindsey Yesterday's prophecy, yesterday's prophecies, today's headlineses.

Speaker 4 (02:42:10):
This is that Hel Lindsey resorted, And now Hel Lindsey.

Speaker 15 (02:42:19):
Good evening, and welcome to this special edition of the
how Lindsay Report. Today, as I watch dramatic events unfolding
in the Middle East, I'm aware that now more than ever.

Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
Mind you, this is almost twenty years ago. This is
from July two thousand and eight, so we're looking at
seventeen years ago. Seventeen years ago, and he's going to
be talking about all these people are talking about Israel
and what they perceive as the terrible atrocities regarding the Palestinians.

Speaker 4 (02:42:55):
Israel needs our prayer and support.

Speaker 15 (02:42:58):
I see momentum building to force God's people to allow
the establishment of a terrorist state in the heart of
their land. But did you know that those demands are
built on a massive lie, a fable that has been
spun by the so called Palestinians and accepted by the world. Tonight,

(02:43:19):
I want to share with you a program that I
produced last year to explain this gigantic deception in detail.
I call it the modern lie. I believe that we
are living in a time when there's a great paradox,
A paradox because the state of Israel and its continuing

(02:43:45):
Middle East conflict with the Muslim people continues to dominate
world affairs. It dominates most of the u ND debate.
It dominates a great deal of the media, and I
believe it all is because the media has swallowed a myth,
a monstrous lie that has come to be accepted as truth.

(02:44:12):
Probably the most important part of this lie is the
myth Jews stole Palestinian cities, land of houses. This is
a falsehood talked to Palestinians and many Arab children.

Speaker 1 (02:44:26):
You see this lie that Jews just kind of came
in and occupied the territory or went into homes that
Palestinians owned and locked them out and took their homes.
This is a lie told to the Palestinians. And if
they tell you know my great grandmother and my grandmother

(02:44:48):
they were kicked out of their homes by the Jews,
do not believe what they have to say. This is
the modern lie of the terrorists state known as Palestine.
They are trying to threaten and overthrow our beloved Israel.

(02:45:10):
What dude, you are literally saying like Palestinians lived through it.
It's only seventy years ago. Like what are you talking about.
It's a lie that Jews literally stole it by the
help of the UK, the US other forces, military backed governments. Yeah,

(02:45:34):
they actually did. That's why it's called an occupation. That's
exactly what they.

Speaker 15 (02:45:38):
Did children from infancy. This is an exerpt from one
of the Arabic twelfth grade textbooks. Palestine's nineteen forty eight
war ended with a catastrophe or knackba as they call it.
That is unprecedented in history, when the Zionist gang stole
Palestine and expelled its people from their cities, their villages,

(02:46:01):
their lands, and their houses and established the state of Israel.

Speaker 1 (02:46:06):
That is all factually true. That is literally what happened.
That is factually true.

Speaker 15 (02:46:13):
These claims are false. Here are the facts. There was
no Arab state or nation called Palestine in the Middle
East in nineteen forty eight or ever.

Speaker 1 (02:46:26):
Really really, okay, let's go back to our Bible. I
think the Bibles have a map. Let's see. Okay, those
are a little bit older, a little bit older. Okay, yeah,

(02:46:49):
so these maps are older. These are all Old Testament maps. No,
that is absolutely not true. Palestine has been a nation
in a country in existence for quite a long time.
What are you talking about. Palestine never existed in nineteen
forty eight or ever. That is just factually not true.

(02:47:14):
That is a boldfaced lie.

Speaker 15 (02:47:17):
That means there was no Palestinian nation that the Jews
could steal or occupy. Let's look at some of history.
The Ottoman Turks ruled the entire area from fifteen seventeen
to nineteen seventeen. During that time, there were no nations
or independent states within the Empire, just provinces. The locations

(02:47:41):
of the future states of Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and
Iraq and others were created by the European powers at
the end of the First World War out of the
ruins of the Turkish Empire. A homeland for Israel was
one of the first created by the League of Nations.

Speaker 2 (02:48:01):
The fact is the Jews have.

Speaker 15 (02:48:03):
Lived continuously in Palestine for thirty seven hundred years. Since
the nineteenth century, the Jews were a majority of the
population in Jerusalem. Therefore, since Israel's claim is older than
any other, and as people have inhabited the land longer
than any others, Israel has as much right to exist

(02:48:25):
in the Middle East as do any of these Arab states.
Jews are the most persecuted people on Earth. They were
victims of the ruthless Russian programs and in other Eastern.

Speaker 1 (02:48:40):
So I just did a quick internet search, quick internet
search just for dates and times regarding Palestine. So ancient use.
Palestine just comes from Philistia, the land of the Philistines.
It's been used for a long time. Herodotus use the
term referred to Palestine Syria to refer to the coastal

(02:49:03):
levant of what he's referring to as Judea. So ancient use.
Roman use. Romans referred to it as Syria Palestina, so
they used the term Palestine. He's talking about the Ottoman period,
they still referred to the area as Palestine though it
was part of the Ottoman province of Syria. He just

(02:49:26):
said there was no states, no, no, you know, quartered
sections of the Ottoman Empire. Not true, not true. And
Palestine was then divided into sections of Jerusalem, Nabolis, and Aker.
They didn't use the term Palestine administratively, but urinep in
maps and travelers continued to refer to the area as Palestine.

(02:49:47):
And that was from fifteen seventeen, from to nineteen seventeen.
So there's four hundred years in which all of Europe
referred to that area as Palestine, despite Ottoman rule over
the territory. So right there, that's just a quick Internet
search totally debunks this argument.

Speaker 15 (02:50:06):
European persecutions the Nazis attempted to eliminate the entire Jewish race.
More than six million men, women and children were murdered
in cold blood. Haj Amin al Husseini, the leader of
what we now know as the Palestinians, was in full
cooperation with Adolph Hitler in his Final Solution plan for

(02:50:29):
the Jewish people. They almost succeeded.

Speaker 1 (02:50:33):
You know, it's interesting, I wonder if you'll bring up
about Hitler's support of Jews returning to their homeland. I
wonder if you'll mention that, because that's actually a really
big importance for the creation of the nation state of Israel.

Speaker 2 (02:50:47):
That.

Speaker 15 (02:50:49):
In this great attempt, many of those Jews could have
been saved if other nations in the West would have
accepted them to immigrate. At the San Remo Conference in
nineteen twenty two, the League of Nations gave Britain the
mandate to create a home for the Jews. A substantial

(02:51:10):
portion of the land encompassing modern Jordan and Israel at
the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea was designated as
the Palestine Mandate. It was to be a final secure
homeland for the Jewish people, but the Arabs benefited most
from the mandate, it turns out in nineteen twenty two,

(02:51:32):
as British Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill gave trans Jordan to
the Hashemites. Now let me explain this for a minute.
The Hashemites were the guardians and custodians of the Holy
Places Macamdina for many centuries. They helped somewhat in the

(02:51:54):
war effort in World War One, and so when they
appealed to Winston's Churchill's department that they should be rewarded
as helpers by giving a home, he then appealed to
give trans Jordan to them. The Hashemites, whom we know

(02:52:15):
now as the Jardinians, were driven from their position as
the guardians of the holy sites by the Saudis. Jewish
leader kind Weitzmann agreed to give eighty percent of the
Jews Palestine Mandate land to the Hashemites. This was in
exchange where the Jews received a written agreement that trans

(02:52:38):
Jordan would be made a home for those displaced Arabs
that lived in Palestine Mandate territory. The agreement was signed
by Emer Feisel, representing the Arab King.

Speaker 1 (02:52:50):
Okay, so you get it. He's trying to make an
argument that Palestine that never really existed, that the Jews
are the rightful, the rightful owners to the land, that
what we call modern day Israel. I mean, it's just
full of shit. It is full of so much shit
it's hard for me to even watch. I get angry.

(02:53:11):
But anyways, guys, fyi, this is a part one of
a part two stream. So we are diving into the
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Israel in the Middle East, and Part two over at
Logos Academy. So if you want to get access to

(02:53:33):
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(02:53:53):
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And we have a great, great community of guys. And
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is a men's community. But if you want to get
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and all the show notes that's available right there. So
I think we had a couple of super chaps. Nevada

(02:54:17):
Precision three three nine throws Intent says hey brother, well,
thank you very much. Hey brother, to you as well,
thank you for the support. I do appreciate it. And
Mista Fista says, believe not the evidence of your eyes. Yeah,
that's basically the trope of Christian Zionists. Oh the Jews
are spitting on you in the Holy Land. That's because
they love you, you know. Don't worry about that. No

(02:54:41):
big deal. So anyways, guys, I hope this stream was
was useful and informative. I hope the detailed overview of
how dispensational theology actually came about through John Nelson Darby,
how the Jews have to return to the Holy Land
for to come is actually rooted in Puritanism, and that

(02:55:03):
literal Biblical reading then influences Darby and some of the
restorationists in Britain, and then Darby's new dispensational seven dispensational
understanding of history then gets repackaged into an annotated Bible
through Schofield, which becomes the best selling Bible in America.
And because of the American mentality of you know, valorating

(02:55:26):
idolizing democracy, it being a divinely inspired project by God,
it having its own millinery and eschadological endpoint that American
Psyche and America were just perfectly suited to then fall
into this Christian heresy of dispensational Christian Zionism. And then

(02:55:48):
by the nineteen seventy so i APAK begins in nineteen
fifty three, nineteen fifty four, by nineteen seventy they become
one of the wealthiest lobbying groups and essentially become entrenched
in American politics. And so from nineteen seventy forward, and
especially especially under the Trump administration, we are literally under

(02:56:12):
the authority of politicians that are getting paid hundreds of
thousands and oftentimes millions of dollars to do anything and
everything that benefits the state of Israel, often at the
expense of Americans. So how did we get here? Well,
we got here through everything that was lying outlined in
today's stream. Where is this all going? Well, that's going

(02:56:32):
to be part of the part two of the Today's
stream where we get into maybe a little bit more
controversial territory, if you will so join me over there.
I'm going to be recording that tomorrow and hopefully have
that up on the Academy tomorrow night. So major thank
you to everyone for supporting and being here today. I
hope you guys had a fun time and I will

(02:56:55):
see you guys Thursday. John Hammond is going to be
on We're going to be talking about Saint John the
Logen in his book Beloved Disciple. And Friday I'm doing
a stream on the history of Bail and Moloch worship,
which should be a lot of fun and may may
touch into the part two of Today's streams. So I'll
see you guys Thursday and Friday, and as always, until then,

(02:57:20):
God bless

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