Open Panel: Charlie Kirk Assassinated (1993-2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The hell.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is doctor
David Patrick Carey, and this is Church of the Eternal Logos,
and we are hosting an open panel tonight for a
bit of a somber topic. I'm sure everybody in the
chat already knows. Charlie Kirk, the conservative political commentator and

(00:40):
founder of Turning Point USA, was assassinated today at Utah
Valley University while doing one of his campus debates where
he allows people that disagree with him to have cordial,
friendly political discussions on a variety of topics, and during

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a period in which he was discussing trans violence, somebody
shot him through the neck. It's believed to be clearly
an assassination attempt. It looks people there's a lot of
confusion at first. I've been trying to follow all everything
and listen to some of the latest press conferences on
the topic, and it sounds like it was definitely rifle.

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There's a video of a man potentially laying on one
of the roofs of the surrounding buildings and he was
you can obviously most people probably in the chat have
already seen the video where the bullet goes through his
neck and the accent wound is profound, to say the least.

(01:47):
When I saw the video, I was actually at the
gym with my wife and she mentioned she was getting
news alerts in German. Actually she actually saw it before
I was. I was kind of in my wen world
list into music, and she came up to me and
told me that Charlie Kirk was shot. So then we
looked into it. And I'm sure most of you guys

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also saw the live video or a clip of the
live feed, because this was you know, he does live
streaming and records all these things, and I didn't. I
didn't expect him to live. Apparently they're able to keep
things together, and he was I think for another forty
five minutes and he was taken to the er. He
was thirty one years old, married and had two children.

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So I think what is most profound about it? And
so doctor Michael Moehler is with me. I think FDA
is going to be stopping by. I think baselet Analyzer
is going to be stopping by. I'm going to open
up the link so anybody who wants to join will
be able to join and and talk about things today,

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you know, and obviously to say to say from the start,
you know, everybody saying, obviously we're Orthodox Christians. Obviously we
had some political disagreements. But I don't think we need
a every time we say, you know, we're praying for
the soul of Charlie Kirk and his family, his wife
and his children, that we have to always recognize that

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we had differences. Obviously who had differences. He seemed like
a pretty sincere individual. And I think for me, what
was so profound about it all is that that could
have been anybody. And so obviously Charlie Kirk is incredibly influential,
especially amongst young people and college aged kids, but anybody

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who's right of center, that could have been today. And
it definitely feels like it's a turning point in American culture.
I think, you know, especially for the younger generation like
the gen Z, maybe Jen Alpha, but millennials, this is
going to be a day in which a lot of
people remember. And obviously it just came off the heels

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of the tragedy in Charlotte, North Carolina. And I'm gonna
pull up as we go through today, I'm gonna pull
up Charlie Kirk's X account because it's interesting his last
few posts, and I'm gonna play a video that's been
going around too. Is that for us Orthodox Christians? You know,
obviously he's Evangelical and Protestant, but he uses his platform

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this week to try to encourage Protestants and Evangelicals de
venerate the Theotokos more and so whatever disagreements we had,
he was a sincere individual. And for him to be
the target of an assassination, especially for anybody who would
consider themselves maybe more right wing than even Charlie Kirk,

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it kind of shows the temperament and the temperature of
American culture right now. So anyways, doctor Mo, thanks for joining.
You know, what's your thoughts on on everything?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, what can you say, like heartbreaking doesn't matter
who you are, where you're from. If you're a.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Human being and you watch some of that, I don't
know how your heart doesn't break, you know, A father
to kids, and yeah, obviously, like you said, we may
have some differences in our political opinions our theology. What
I will say is I do think he had a

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heart for God. You know, that's one of our positions, Like, yeah,
will be judged how we judge other people, and that
guy's probably done a lot more good than I have.
You know, I think he's inspired a lot of people
to think differently and in a lot of the same way.
We share the same mission and going to college campuses

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with the he woke mind virus.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
In a way, He's definitely a martyr. You know, he
knew he was getting himself into and say what you will,
but that was that was a brave man.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
How often he would go there and you know it
was a little bit of rage baiting, but either way
you look at it, it's heartbreaking. And again, say what
you will about him, I think he had a heart
after God and he was he he you know, he
was changing like I I. You know, there's some whispers
around the internet. I think there was a couple interesting

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news posts about him these last couple of weeks, Like
you're saying, venerating the theotoko. So maybe questioning some of
our America's allies makes for some stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
And we can be straightforward, you know. Harrison Smith, who
ironically I was live last night. My stream got taken
down by YouTube and got removed, but we were doing
a drama alert and talking about all the news and
things going on and I mentioned that I met Harrison
Smith at one of the events in Nashville and he

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seemed like a really sincere guy, and I was talking
about the Owen Schroyer Alex Jones fallout, and Harrison Smith
posted some stuff after the event, or after this tragic event,
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, that I don't know on
what information, but insinuating that maybe some of his opinions

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about Israel were shifting, and that according to what Harrison
Smith posted, he was potentially worried about, you know, anything
that might happen potential violence to him. Now, obviously we
have a massive problem with trans violence in this country. However,
just my my intuition is that this was not some

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like half retard or trans you know, social justice war.
I think this was a planned out assassination. I think
it was somebody that was expertly trained. It seems like
it was potentially like a three Toho eight off at
a distance elevated and they took him out in his neck,

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which I don't think was you know, accident or luck
that they happen to tag him. I think it's indicative
of sort of a message. I mean symbolic of silencing someone, right, yeah, right,
right through his throat. So I don't know. I know
that last I've heard I checked right before we went
live there was nobody in custody. That may be changing.

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We're going to try to follow stuff for the next
couple hours while people come on and kind of discuss
the topic.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
So yeah, and like you said, man, the one thing
is to be vigilant. I think now you know, we pray,
pray for his soul, pray for our nation, like honestly
with the Charlotteville or it was in Charlotte, Charlotte, Like, man,
things are on edge. Yeah, you know, and you don't

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want things to get worse. And it's pretty easy to
get bitter. My good friend reader Sarah and that shared
the quote by I think it's Saint Pisios that you know,
I would be I'd be crazy if I didn't know
who was in charge of the world kind of thing with.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
How the modern world is. I'm kind of butchering the quote.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
The hard part is that like not getting bitter, not
getting upset, not getting angry. And at the same time,
it's like, dude, we saw them take shots at Donald Trump.
We felt the energy slowly building up, especially i'd say
twenty sixteen onwards with COVID.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I mean, I tell this story, right.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I was born and raised in southern Illinois, and as
I went through college, I became more libertarian, more liberal.
And when I got to southern California and I met
some people there, I'm like, I don't know how there
is in a.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Civil war in like ten years thirteen. Just listen, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Like I moved into with some hardcore feminists and at
that point I was still kind of center libertarian, but
after kind of living with him for a little bit,
I'm like, this just this does not smell good, you
know what I mean, this does not look good for us.
So right, yeah, so we pray and we try and
not get bitter, and at the same time, you want

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to stay vigilant because I was wondering too after it
first happened, like did someone take a video and then
edit it with AI and send that out just to
get clicks?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Like it was hard to.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, I was kind of skeptical when I first saw
it too, you know, Like I said, I was at
the gym and my wife told me and she was
getting it in German, which is again kind of indicative
of how influential Charlie Kirk with was what, you know,
the quote unquote Maga movement that German News was sending
immediate breaking news alerts about Kirk. And so that's how
she found out before I did. But when I first

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saw the video on X, it was like the fro.
When I opened X, it was like the first thing
that popped up, and I thought, no way, no way.
And then I just scrolled a little bit and I
saw everybody's comments and I saw, you know, people that
are friendly with Charlie Kirk, you know, take it pretty seriously,
and I was like, oh my god. And like I said,

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I think it just symbolizes where we're at in an
you know, in the in the country, and everybody's saying
this is a turning point, and it's you know, hard
to say what that turning point is, especially once we
find out potentially who this actual shooter is, uh, you know,

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if it if it is racially motivated, or it's his
commentary on tran stuff, or we find that maybe this
was you know, something much deeper and more organized. But
like I said, it to open, I think what's so
profound about it and why it shakes a lot of
people is one, he was so young. You know, he's
thirty one, he's at the height of his career, he's

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got two children, plan on having more children, you know,
sincere Protestant, Christian, Evangelical. But that could have been anybody,
And Charlie Kirk is so kind in his debates to
these people that for him to be the target, it's like, wow,

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that could be anybody with a public following, doing a
public event, with somebody deciding that you know, you're two
extreme and and for most of us, as traditional Christians,
orthodox Christians on some on some topics, were you know,
more right than Charlie Kirk was so.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well and to reflect to give some extra mercy between
the two of us, welcome Father, yes, father, Deacon doctor Andonius.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
You know where were we at thirty one?

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I was not worth it out you know, Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
If I'd had been taken at thirty one, I would
not have been at.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
A good place.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
So you know whosere heated In a couple of years.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Thirty one I was probably doing a PhD. Big question,
what year was it? Let's see if I'm forty eight.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Five years ago, for us dph right, you'd.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Been Oh dang, getting old.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yeah, hold on, say it.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
So I'm forty eight, what do we say, thirty one seventeen.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Years years ago.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Wow, dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, it's just you know, he's got a fan again.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
The heart was in my PhD program. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
You were like Calvinist then, or what were you doing?
Are you not?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
What were you for Earth called?

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah, well it's interesting enough. I yeah, you mean religiously,
that was I wasn't Orthodox yet. I was studying the
Orthodox and inquiring. I was living in Ireland. I'd actually
contacted the local Romanian parish and I wanted to attend.

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I got kicked out of the Lutheran Church in Ireland
for giving him a piece of.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
You.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Getting kicked out.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
No way, your cond's not welcome here. I'm like, oh,
and uh yeah. I was just trying to kind of
build my own theology where I was like, I'm liking
this Orthodox stuff, and you know, I'll take a little
bit of this and high sacramentology and maybe a little

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bit of authority here, and so yeah, God help me,
but I was on my way. I was on my
way to being prepared.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, father, what are your thoughts about I have a
lot the assassinate will share, so it.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Will come out who this guy is. Bets are he's
you know, I don't know if it was some type
of intelligence operative or activators or something like that. If
he's going to be a Democrat, like odds are like
it is. But the fact of the matter, even if
we don't grant that, looks what's going on in social

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media between you know, between the stuff with the poor
Ukrainian girl that got murdered and then this the left
and Democrats are cheering on. I mean they've been wearing
and saying kill all white people, kill you know, all conservatives.

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They're wearing ah, calls for violence on the what was it,
the governor of Minnesota with a knife.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
It's just become apparent to me. And I think Jay
pointed this out on Twitter too, And I'm just gonna
say it. There's no way that you can be a
Christian vote Democrat and be liberal. I'm sorry, Like, I
know that's not a popular opinion. And I mean, despite

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whatever the problems with conservative and Republicans are, that doesn't
make any of us maga or you know, Republicans, both
of you and myself. We have our legitimate critiques of
MAGA and Trump.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Sure, and you know.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
I see that, Like, you know if Father Turbo was
really interesting. I watched his uh his talk at the
Ludwelf conference and it was something really important. We do
transcend orthodox left and right politics. Now what a lot
of normies here in liberals is, oh yeah, so, uh,

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you know, we're the middle of the road. And Father
Turbo actually said the Royal path transceiing left and right
is not.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
The middle right.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
It doesn't mean because the middle presupposes that they're left
and right are moral equivalents. And you see this all
the time. Libertarians are totally retarded and say the same, so, well,
they're both bad. It's like, yeah, we have legitimate critiques
of MAGA and Trump and Republicans. They are not moral equivalents.

(17:29):
They're not the same right. It doesn't matter the moral
flaws of Republican candidates, things that they've been involved in.
It is not a Malthusian death cult. It is not.
I mean, their party platform is literally death.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, no violence.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
They have a track history. It's radicalism, and we are
not living in the nineteen sixties. JFK Democrat years anymore.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Like.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
To your point, and I'd love to get your opinion,
Father Deacon, is what was kind of shocking, I mean
not totally shocking. I mean we just had the event
with Arena and Charlotte North Carolina, and I remember posting
immediately when I saw the video just by the way
that she sat down, I mean, within less than a minute,

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the guy's pulling out a knife and then he kills her,
that those are the actions of somebody who's demonically possessed.
And then today it came out his interview where he
kept referring to they and that there's different powers that
take over his body. And then after this assassination of
Charlie Kirk, I just tuned in to the local Utah

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like livestream on the press conference, and I could not
believe the messages in the live chat making fun of
Charlie Kirk and telling her I was astonished and that's
a spiritual problem. And it was people both right and left.
It was people that were further of Charlie Kirk that
was making fun of him, and then people that you know,
typical left wingers and social justice wars, and I was

(19:06):
just astonished by people's uh D sensitive sensitization too, like
tragic events like this and what this actually represents. It's
I mean, it's obviously it's terrible that Charlie Kirk has
passed away, but just the larger cultural reprocup what it
represents in regards to space and time and where we're

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at as a country and to see both you know,
people that share my a lot of my political ideas
mocking and some people identify as it's like, how that
this the Holy Spirit's clearly not present in you if
you cannot sense the sensitivity of everything, No.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
And yeah, exactly, you know, and I think a large
large part of that to the demonic influence of desensitization
is through social media and Internet and stuff like that,
and just being bombarded with there's no filters, right, we
become desensitized.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
And if if.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
You're not combating that with praxis right in sacrament, you know,
in terms of the sacraments in your spiritual life, like
you know, yeah, even on the right, you're gonna get
people who are just cold hearted, demonic kind of make
It's like, this is ridiculous, and I think all of

(20:29):
us would agree. It's like I didn't agree with everything
with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Of course, yeah, he's exactly. I mean, everybody take.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
A guy when he's dead and his family's grieving.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Like right, and we all have the same you know,
cheer a similar opinion on Zionism and how that relates
to the theology of the church, you know, all that
different stuff. And that was a criticism for Charlie Kirk
is basically it was Zionism and his Protestant faith and
and kind of his his view of America is a
little bit different than ours. But you know, he was

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a decent person. And to see even people that were
you know, right of center used the Israel thing to
immediately say, well, you know, he didn't call out this.
You know, these groups of people, it's like, guys, come on,
like you're not helping a serious you know, that's a
serious conversation we have to have regarding Zionism in the
Jewish lobby in America. But you know, maybe we'll find

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something out regarding an intelligence agents or you know, all
this different stuff. But to immediately then mock Charlie Kirk
because he was a Zionist or you know, I didn't
see anything deliberately mock him because he was a Protestant,
but just because we have some difference of opinions. I mean,
that's just atrocious. I mean it's a spirit of a

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lack of the Holy Spirit present within people.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, and I.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Would say the reality of the situation is name if
you said, name the top five. Unfortunately, like father Deacon saying,
we have this dichotomy right left and right that they
have psychologically manipulated us into, so you kind of have
to pick a side. But name name the top five
conservative influencers right now? Is he not probably one of

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the top five in the country easily? Yeah, even even
about paulat Like, if you said, hey, name five, if
you took Trump out, He's definitely a top five.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
So, I mean, the the the symbolism of what happened
to cannot be understated, like the just and whoever was
shooting is going to know that was streamed? Oh you know,
I do you want to talk about the symbolism of
assassinating a conservative, white male family forward Christian, Like you know,

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those are things whether or not we agree with some
of his theology, those are what he stood for, and
so to murder them on TV, like.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
And you know, and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't really remember the whole thing, something like George
Floyd was. I wasn't excited when that happened. I wasn't
cheering like someone died, right, God gives life.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
God'st of a different context though he died of a
drug overdose.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And that's what I'm saying, even from our perspective, Like
you don't see the conservatives like they weren't cheering for it.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
It was still a tragedy whether or not.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
But so that point I think is so striking about
this thing is like what is going to come out
of it? Because you know, for the normal reactions or sadness,
but rage, anger, frustration, you know, and typically there what
we would ever refer to as the conservatives or the

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right wing doesn't loot and riot and do all this stuff.
But the desire to do something that extreme I think
is absolutely present in most people.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
When he's also young.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Right, someone's in the chat gen Z, like I I
have faith in gen Z.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
We've chatted about this.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I think that, uh, you know, they have strengths and weaknesses,
but I don't think you think being hoodwinks one of them.
I think, and and to go after a younger one,
like just thirty one.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like what, M.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I just think, well.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
The other aspect too, Uh, why am I Blinker's name?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Pale horse? Remember that?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh behold a pale horse by uh uh General corn Wallace.
It someone talking about someone will get it in the chat.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Somebody will get in the chat on Bill Cooper. Cooper,
you know he was talking about back in the seventies
that this stuff, these people were going to be on
SSRIs and medications yep, and in whatever way kind of

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activated political you know, political weapons to assassinate like people.
Now people will be like, well, it's all conspiracy. It's like, okay,
suppose it is. Suppose this guy's a goof and stuff
like he was, right, don't you find that weird? That's
exactly what's happened.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, in that book, if you remember, he says that
your your kids will be taught the taught Zionism in school,
Like he breaks it down on that book. Was they
say that America, you know, we never really won the war.
We're still under the power of the crown. You know,
Britain's involved with creating Israel, and your children will be
taught Christianity when it's really Zionism, and and I don't know,

(25:58):
maybe that's what I'm saying, is like, to me, the
definition of what I see in gen Z is lots
like right, I had the whole two thousand and nine.
You're a white, privileged male, you can't learn history because
you don't come from a place of oppression. And I
had to fight that and I felt pretty much alone
in it. Where now I've talked to like some twenty
twenty five year old gen z As, they're like, yeah,
screw that. Back then, I was the only person in

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class arguing by myself. And they're the ones that have
been drugged. They're the ones that had way more shots,
They're the ones that have had way worse food. Right,
And so that's what I'm saying when you look at
the symbolism of who Charlie was.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
And who yeah and who he was getting I mean
TPUSA again, for whatever disagreements we had, he was getting
young people like, for example, I have nieces and they're
not the most politically savvy or philosophically savvy, but you know,
I know one of my nieces in particular, and she's

(26:55):
a student at IU. She's a freshman at IU here
in Indiana, and she watches the Charlie Kirk clips and
that has helped shape her and get her more curious
and see things from a new perspective that you know,
if I try to tell her, her mom tries to
tell her like, you know, okay, you know, dismissive. But
Charlie Kirk was something that you know, reached my niece now,

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you know, and to see that he was having a
huge impact on gen z ors like these college kids
and you know that we can't and and the sort
of elephant in the room is that the racial thing.
You know, that white college kids found a place to

(27:37):
vocalize their their opinions. And you know, Charlie Kirk maybe
not have been on all the same opinions we had,
but he was normalizing, you know, things that was difficult
for me to say at university during my PhD program,
you know, in two thousand ways from twenty sixteen to nineteen,
like it was very intense, the restrictions on what could

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be said.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Who didn't Who was someone tried to come to your campus.
It wasn't him, it was well who was trying to milo?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Right after the Yeah, so I was in Berkeley when
Ben Shapiro and Milo you Panopolis did an event where
the Berkeley professor hit a kid with a bike lock
and busted and head open. The city dropped those charges,
and so I that's when I was living there. So
it was the height in like political correctness social justice war.
You're like, as long as you're on the right side,

(28:31):
like we'll watch out for you.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
So do you know what's interesting about Charlie Kirk and
a lot you know a lot of these people, they're
actually pretty moderate.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
You guys watching.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
They're so hated. So if you watch those reels and clips, right, uh,
Charlie Kirk, I mean they have the protests like we
don't want you on our campus. Right, they actually tried
to cancel him, get him off the camp. You can't
come here. Then you just have unhide people screaming and stuff.
What that shows me is manufactured dissent. You know, the

(29:19):
there's a manufactured consent. This is manufactured because it's the
same thing with like Trump. You know, only if Trump
really was what the left said, he was like, like
I feel kind of let down, right, I wish he

(29:39):
was what you were saying. He's not as some serious
criticisms of him by me. He was a Democrat. Same
with RFK. We have a mayor up here, quotal like democrat.
And I remember before RFK become the Health director and
joined up with Trump, he was like, oh yeah, man,

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I'm gonna vote for like I like him. And then
they turn on it, right, So it's it's never principled, right,
it's manufactured. These are the people you're supposed to hate.
They're actually very moderate. They were once your guys. Trump
was a Democrat, so is RFK.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Pulsy Gabbard was a Democrat. I forget.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
There's several people there the Democrats won the election Trump, RFK,
Pulsy Gabbard, those are all Democrats. Those are not conservative
people up there.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
And so they're programmed to go against it, like there's
no rational thought process of kind of going through principle.
Why stand against these principles? And that's how you know,
like Charlie Kirkle was a pretty moderate.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
No, yeah, I would say he was. I mean, he
wasn't even you know Pat Buchanan. He was left of
Pat Buchanan. He was a Protestant Christian conservative like Milk
Toast American conservative that's pro family, which we can resonate with.
I mean, I'm all for it. Now, he because of
his theology, had you know, political sentiments towards different things

(31:04):
that we didn't have. But I mean a pro Christian
family orientation. Yeah, that's the same side that I'm on.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
And so notice the very moderate conservative is given the
H word tiny mustache. Right, I just saw a news report.
This is ridiculous. So Bozeman police response to reports. So

(31:37):
Bozeman's the city like an hour and a half for
forty five minutes south to me responsive reports of Ana
Zis on Nineteenth Avenue overpass Sunday, several calls were made
nine to eleven about any Zis standing on the nineteenth
door pass. Right. So what I find funny is like,

(31:58):
so it's illegal to well, first of all, I almost
wanted to make a joke and be like, man, they
must have been pretty old.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Lot with the camp servisor the guy that survived twelve
camps too, you know.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
All right, so you may not like that political philosophy,
like you know, it's not against the law, Like there
is no political ideology no matter how bad that's against all.
But these people are literally calling nine. Well they one
found them. Turns out they were just literally holding signs
that said white lives matter.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
M hm.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
So now it's a little bit more extreme than than
obviously Charlie Kirk. But like, here's the problem is that
this language and the fact that even Orthodox are using
the R word and I don't mean retarded, that's coming back,
and that's a virtuous word that has that has methodological

(32:56):
use to describe something that did growth. So I did
a stream earlier today because we had David Doctor, David
Bradshaw and some other philosophy pastors and clergy. We're in
on Monday an online philosophy conference about why we shouldn't
use human rights language, and like we're human rights langue.
We went through the different like the eighteenth century kind

(33:17):
of Enlightenment notion of rights to the twentieth century to
the twenty first century completely secualized postmodern kind of notion
of rights and u N documents declaration of human rights
and stuff like this. And the thing is these are
weaponized words, the R word, even the N word, and

(33:38):
I don't mean in terms of racial color, human rights equity,
like all these are weaponized words that are anti christian
to destroy Christianity. And it's like I just and the
other thing is the insight violence.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Think about it.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
If everybody's a tiny mustache man, right, and they're out
to killing holocaust everybody, right, Like, I mean, you create
a mass psychosis, right, I mean these people, this is
why these people are acting vital like everybody's the enemy,
like even just the most watered down conservative. That's what
they're saying. All these people need to be killed. Now,

(34:21):
what's interesting. I brought this up with a parishioner. So
notice they're always like everybody's a fascist, everybody's you keep
preaching that, do you know what's gonna happen? And the
left is notorious self fulfilling prophecy. The only like you've
now created an environment, the only political solution of this
is fascism, which is exactly why fascism arose in the

(34:44):
twentieth century too. That is because in reaction to Bolshevism
and Marxism and stuff like that. Isn't that interesting the
one thing that you hate and you keep calling using
this as exactly what you're going to create. And that's
why I said the left and liberals created Trump. They
voted him in right, yep. But you guys literally created

(35:08):
like the more that you push this kind of rhetoric
and use this stop, it creates the exact thing that
you don't want.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, You've seen the meme.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
It's like, who radicalized you?

Speaker 4 (35:21):
You did?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And this is kind of what I was saying about
the gen Z where you know, they grew up in
this hole. And I hate to be as particular, but
if you're a white male, like all of human history
is your fault. So you have all these kids growing
up from the time you're in third grade, like it's
your fault from the Civil War, Like I'm German, right,
so you know it's like being in third grade. Oh yeah,

(35:43):
you guys, you're the ones that killed all the Jews.
And I was like, and it's funny, I'm actually German
Polish and if you look at the stats, they killed
a heck of a lot of Poles.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
And you know, also the the Commedis killed a lot
of polls and blamed the Germans when it was actually
the Commedies didn't learn much about that.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, But you can imagine the mental.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Health disruption where all these boys are one growing up
without fathers and then they go into school and they're
taught that they're the devil, like no wonder their transgender.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well in another sociological factor is when you look at
like minority groups, so whoever it may be, like Armenians,
for example, historically persecuting you know a lot of long identity,
but when they come to America, they're very insular and
it creates identity in a postmodern world in which identity

(36:30):
is you know, distorted. And so because the gen Z
has grown up in it, like I'm a millennial, but
because of where I come from in Indiana, like I
never got any of the bad white male stuff. Even
in undergrad it wasn't as bad in Indianapolis, but once
once twenty fifteen year old around, it was very very
normative to speak in those terms. So I remember master's

(36:53):
degree PhD very much. That was the sentiment of the university.
And then the gen Z boys growing up in that
from you know, K through twelve, they become hyper self
aware of the identity that other people placed on them,
and that is that allows them to be more right
wing than any generation before, which is the only countermeasure

(37:16):
to the things that are happening. But like to father,
Deacon's point, it's the it's the sociological pressure that is
forming these identities and inculcating you know, more and more
right wing opinions, which again I think that's the only
way out of this. And given what happened in Charlotte,

(37:37):
North Carolina, I mean, tensions were already super high regarding
the you know, and I covered it last night. The
stream got removed from YouTube. So just the you know,
the racial tensions and the thing, the unspeakable thing about
crime going on and white people being attacked and the
skewing of the crime statistics, and and then for Charlie
Kirk to be that was his like for example, let

(37:59):
you know, I'll pull up his ex that was his
last post. His last post was saying how we have
to politicize what happened in Charlotte, North Carolina because there's
a legitimate attack on white people, And that was what
you know, it was just like five hours ago that
he posted it. So this was one of his last
messages right before those debates that started. And I'll pull

(38:20):
it up real quick, but.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
I want to share something with you too. He's a
friend of mine. But if you're looking for from until
academic treatment of this one second.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
So here's like you go to Charlie Kirk's x account,
so six hours ago, so this was right before those
debates started. He posted, if we want things to change,
it's one hundred percent necessary to politicize the senseless murder
of Arena Zarutska because it was politics that allowed a
savage monster with fourteen prior to be free on the

(39:00):
streets to kill her. And and you know, and then
he just posted the hypocrisy that I covered the night
before on CNN where they essentially lambass Charlie Kirk because
he's mad, he's recognizing the racial overtones of that attack
and saying, oh, well, he's the only one that's making
it racial, when that's all they do is make things racial.

(39:22):
And for him to, you know, make that the last
post when already you could feel like culture is changing,
something is brewing. Like I'm not totally positive where this goes,
but for better or for worse, I think it's going
to radicalize more people towards the right, and hopefully God willing,
it brings more young people to Christ. To me, I.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Remained peaceful is the issue, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Like I told you when I moved, I was like,
you guys keep talking this way, and it's like, if
you actually looked at I don't know, any kind of
like civil War, any part of history you can take.
You can take Germany the nineteen thirties and forty, like
what was going on that people became radicalized. They just like, oh,
these radicalized people are bad. Okay, Well, if you're a doctor,

(40:08):
what do you do. You try and look at the
cause of the disease. And that's that's is that not
why we study history? Is that now we study philosophy,
and you want to look at how did people get radicalized? Right,
And they're if they just take a second and look
at that, then they'd realize they are the ponds. They
are the tools for the radicalization.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
And you know, honestly, from the.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Orthodox or the Christian perspective, this is the hardest part
is that Christ dies for the same And I'm not
saying that we're all you know, we're all striving to
be like Christ, but we're the ones that end up
having to sacrifice. Right, You're the one, like if you're
sit there and you're attacked and you're told, okay, you're
a white male it's your fault that the countries this way.
The Civil War, I'm German, World War two is my fault.

(40:52):
And the only way you get through that, though, is
bearing that and then going on like you don't beat
it with falling into the system that they've given us,
Like Father Deacon was saying, they put us in these
false dichotomies and the only way through is to play
their stupid game.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
And like christ didn't play their game, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, I want to make a point about another post
he made eight hours ago. So today he was recognizing
that the official Black Lives Matter account I believe it
was on Instagram posted a video and you know, obviously
regarding the Arena situation and her her murder on the
public bus where black or his states that black people

(41:31):
have a right to violence, and so he posted that
eight hours ago official Black Lives Matter account of Arena,
and literally that happened to him just you know what,
three to four hours later, Yeah, and he had a
really nice is.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
By the way, I want to give a shout out
to go ahead, I want to give a shout out
to Father Turbo because it can you hear me. Okay,
at the local conference. He actually called out BLM and
the Fellowship of Saint Moses the Black Dude, which he

(42:11):
was actually part of and help form and stuff like that.
And the reason why is because they're anti Orthodox. They
put ideology before the cross. And you know, I was
telling somebody was worried about, like, you know, white supremacists

(42:33):
coming into the Orthodox Church and stuff like that, and
you know, I was saying, those people aren't a problem.
In fact, I think it was Father Russell somebody, you know,
told a story that somebody was like, are you are
you worried about white supremacists coming into the Orthodox Church?
Says no where else? Are they going to be saved?

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Right?

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Right?

Speaker 6 (42:56):
And it's like and for me, and it's what you
talked about. And I was trying to tell somebody was
all worried about this that look, they're just young kids.
They're immature. Michael, you're talking about the gen Z and Mike,
they've had anti whitism shoved down their throats the whole time,

(43:17):
saying basically, kill yourself, right that you should hate. Sure,
everybody should love their own ethnicity and their traditions and
where they came from. Everybody has a right to self
preservation and determination and preserving one's culture. I would hate
to see that go away, except for whites. They're supposed
to that's supposed to be dissolved. They've been shoved this

(43:38):
down and they're young, and what do you do when
you're young. You overreact. The thing is, though, those guys
are quickly healed in the church. Why because they don't
have a postmodern, relativistic and progressive leftist mindset that basically
tradition and hierarchy and uh, patriarch, you're evil to be

(44:00):
destroyed and changed. The church needs to change. I mean
that's so the people that heal the fastest. Everybody has
probably we all have problems coming into the Orthodox Church.
I don't worry about them. They get healed and changed
pretty quick. You know who doesn't. It's really rare Liberals,
Democrats and leftists.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
The ones pushing for the deaconess is.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Yeah, that like they're they don't change, they're much more
problem And like Jay said, it's about time that clergy
stop calling out Ortho bros. And start calling out this stuff.
They'll never touch it. Denounce blim, denounce the Democratic to
the d n C, denounce all these well they're afraid

(44:40):
you know why, Oh it's political. Yeah, they'll lose you know,
na zis right and white supremacy and stuff like that.
And because that's the real problem in the world is
young people, ah right, eight young people. They won't ever
call that, you know why, they'll lose pershioners, which just

(45:03):
here is the point that Democrats and liberals are ideologues
and idolaters. If you're gonna leave the church because I
can't vote Biden because there's something wrong with voting with
literally the party that's kicked out. You can't even be
Christian Democrat anymore. They literally kicked you out of the party.
They like, if you're not a pro a pro abration,

(45:25):
you have, you can't work for the party, right And
it's like, so you're gonna choose that platform, the anti natalist,
the anti abrass you know, the pro abration, the pro
diddle kids skittles, you know, suicide cult that's literally invoking
violence and killing people, Like you're gonna go with that

(45:49):
over the church? How sad is that? And priests are
afraid to touch it. They need to start, they need
to man up and be like, you know what if
you leave the church over that, you know, to your
own detriment.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's sad well, and how much that makes over me. Well,
I'm saying that that makes those guys so much stronger. Honestly,
That's why I actually have hope for gen Z because
ninety percent of them are pretty infected with the for
lack of better term of weakness virus, and ten of

(46:23):
percent of them are going to be super strong. They're
going to come out with like you know, not caring
about anything and speaking the truth and going at it.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
That's why I faith in them, because they've went through it.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I kind of luckily I went through it at like
you were saying, DPH. I was nineteen or twenty before
I really had to stand up for myself in college
where I got the whole your idea.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I've had three Catholics in the Chat say stuff like
this that it's tragic he didn't convert to the Catholic
Church and is now in Hell. There's been I've counted
three posts from Roman Catholic say charge because it's not
Roman Catholic.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
You know. I keep it up, guys. You guys are
the greatest apologists for Orthodoxy. Like we'll pray for him
I mean, yeah, you know what, there was a guy
that came into Orthoxy a prishoner here. He was a Calvinist.
You know why he left because he was mourning some girl,
this poor little girl that died in a tragic car accident. Right,

(47:22):
and he had a the Odyssey problem. He asked his
Calvinist Presbyterian pastor, you know the problem of evil, Why
did God on this send He says, she deserves it
and we all do, thank God. He just favors me,
and he left Calvinism. Like so, this is the same

(47:43):
kind of attitude that he's burning in hell.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I've counted three of them, all of them. Now, whether
they're troll accounts, I don't know, but three people identified
as Roman Catholic made a point that it's sad he died,
but because you didn't, wasn't Catholic. He's burning in hell.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
I thought the.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Pope said all religions are a way to him.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
They're not Catholic. Yeah, exactly. They actually violate Vatican two. Oh,
Vatican two is not an equmoica. It's not binding. Well,
it's not what Vatican one said. So these people are
absolute hypocrites and jokes. So not even Catholic by Catholic standards.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
The thing is even I mean Rome has even before
Vatican two, Rome has canonized individuals who are not part
of the Roman Catholic Church at all. You know, they
canonized Saint Sergei ardonish you know that, that's yeah, like,
and there's another Russian saint, Saint Abram of forgetting where,
but he was a he was a miracle worker, did
tons and tons of miracles like you know, centuries ago,

(48:41):
and it was such an issue that then Pope canonized
him as well. So it's not like you know, even
in the Roman even in the pre Vatican two, pre
Vatican one, uh, Roman Catholic actual practice, like they did
actually canonize and venerate Eastern Orthodox saints that were post schism,
which is you know, I mean, of course one could
say point out that that's you know, inconsistent with you know,

(49:04):
the framework of their theology, but it's just that's what
people did as how they lived out their their faith.
And this attitude that those three are demonstrating, you know,
be they troll accounts or not, that is in direct
contradiction with how the Roman Catholic faith was lived out
centuries ago.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Right, Jose, Welcome to the panel.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Brother, thank you.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
I'm going to catch up.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
We had a few super chats, but before we do,
I wanted to give you space if you had anything
you wanted to say, we you know, about really what
this event and the assassination of Charlie Kirk represents or
or you're just sort of takeaway or what anything you
want to share regarding that.

Speaker 8 (49:45):
Yeah, I honestly, I see I see parallels with the Spanish,
the Spanish Civil War. It's the left. It is really
a deathicult but they do not understand. They perceive as enemies.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
This is the thing. So Charlie Kirk is a moderate.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Rightist right, That's what we were talking about.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
He's moderate like like he's like a moderate, not even
like a moderate like he's not even like like burkean
version of conservative.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
He's like a he's not even Pat Buchanan. He's not
Edmund Burke exactly.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
So it's like he's he's you know, if you kill
off the the the when actually, because that's what they
will do as you kill off those who are literally
the individual's closest to the American left or the tradition
of the American left, like Americ traditional American liberalism. You know,
freedom of speech, YadA, YadA. The only people you're gonna
have left are those who are actually right wing. And

(50:33):
when that happens, you know, that's what happened in Spain.
You know what ends up happening when you know you have,
in the case of Spain, the Spanish Republicans, you know,
which is a union of communists and anarchists. What happens
when they start, you know, massacring clergy and monastics, et cetera,
and cracking down and trying to stop people from you know,

(50:55):
worshiping Jesus Christ, like since they killed. If you removed
all the moderates and all you have are those who
actually stand for something, you're going to get violence. And
that's in a sense, I.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Say, that's what we said. It's it's amazing. I'm like,
they literally produce the thing that they want eliminated and
not present. I'm like, that's what I'm like. Just keep
like you're you're a moved, Like you said it was
a you're removing all the kind of moderates. What you're
gonna get is the only thing that's going to be
left is fascism, which is exactly how fascism arose historically

(51:30):
insane in Italy and Germany and uh, you know Romania,
et cetera.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Yeah, and it's it's a matter of also because fundamentally
it's these are not people who are truly in control
of themselves. It's they're they're under a demonic influence and
the goal of the demons is they just they just
want blood.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
And when you have a.

Speaker 8 (51:48):
Population group which is highly susceptive that as you know,
whatever passions it takes to be you know, a full
blown leftist, when you have that level of of you know,
a metic possession in your brain for lack of a
better term, you know, the ability like you to call
it that these people are essentially just you know, kind
of like with the issue of the recent you know,
school shooters all happened to be of a you know,

(52:08):
a certain subset group. Who are you know, what do
you call it? It's is an easy prime These are
prime targets for you know, the demons to throw their
darts and you know suggest you know, horrific acts to do.
And unfortunately it's going to keep scaling, I know, well
to your point, Jose, I'll let you continue.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
But the man the black and that killed Arena on
the bus in Charlotte. I don't know if you saw
the video today where he was talking about they and
he's a diagnosed schizophrenic and talking about how different entities
take over his material body, and he was talking about
how he's not sure why he killed her. He has
no idea. They just took over. And you know, he

(52:47):
stabbed her right in the throat. But again, notice both
times they killed them in the you know, it's through
the throat. Now, whether this is coincidence or not, I think,
you know, I personally believe that whoever's behind the Kirk
assassination was trained. I mean from the videos that we're
seeing and even according to some of the officers. I

(53:08):
was watching the live stream of the local press conference
before we came live. Somebody was on the roof and
the police are trying to now track that individual, but
they have CCTV that a guy was laying prone on
the roof in the back of behind everybody. So you know,
this wasn't your normal you know, social justice warrior and

(53:30):
I so I assume if they are trained, the shooting
through his neck is a symbolic act. Arena was stabbed
in her neck by the guy that was you know,
clearly he's possessed by demons. He's openly talking about how
they take over his body. And so to your point,
this is, you know, the demons are acting through these
people that are already broken inside.

Speaker 8 (53:52):
Yep, and it's it's of the Unfortunately, it's you know,
there are a lot of people who saw that this
is the pathwhere in the America is going. And I know,
in my case, I mean, if you want to talk
about saying things that get you in trouble, So in
two thousand and five, I was still a teenager. Then
I made the conclusion and stated to people in school
that was probably bad in hindsight, was that all of

(54:13):
American politics was going to boil down to those who
see essaying children as being a morally praiseworthy act that
should be celebrated in public versus those who see it
as horrific and it must be punishable by unliving and
trying to keep that as you know, terms and service
to you know, terms and conditions friendly for YouTube. But
you know, a lot of people were kind of shocked

(54:35):
when I said that. You know, back in two thousand
and five and I was known for being, for lack
of a better term, one of saying crazy things in
high school.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
But yeah, that's where we're at.

Speaker 8 (54:46):
And the thing is, there are people who saw it
even before me. You know, I know I've mentioned, you know,
the the guy who's now the chief ideologist of the
Chinese Communists or Communist Party of China, among who none
like he saw that back in nineteen ninety one. So
there are people who saw like, this is where the
West is going, and that Unfortunately, I don't see the
train ride ending unless you have like some serious mass repentance.

(55:09):
I mean, there is repentance happening. His father deacon can
attest to, and I can as well. And in our
parishes there's a flood, especially young men. Unfortunately, this father
deacon was saying, there was a lot of hostility from
those who are ideologists first and orthodox.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Second to the young men that are coming in.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
But the thing is, even like if you like, if
you look at like like actual white nationalists, white supremacists
that I've met here in Texas, Like, the common thing
I see is there when the ones who are married,
they're not married to a white girl. They're usually either
married to at the hana or an Asian girl. And
there was one guy I know and because you know,
to my mother's side, you know, I have Columbian heritage.

(55:46):
So he left the country for the first time, you know,
as a young man for work, went down to Columbia
and he was in the on the coast, the Pacific coast,
Pueneventura and then up into Choko. This is like literally
the blackest part of all of this money that like
anywhere you go, this is like little Africa, except everyone
speaking Spanish. And there was one of the columbianas there

(56:06):
saw a white boy who has a good job and
makes money and saw that he had no you know,
girlfriend or anything, and decided to uh, you know, be
the traditional woman and you know, cooking fish and everything else.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
And he ended up marrying her.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
And it was.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
Hilarious I found out because you know, he's we got
a mutual friend. It was through that mutual friend. He
called her mutual friend. He was like, hey, I got
a problem. He's like, what's the problem. And he's like,
so I married a Coumbian girl. And he's like and
he was thinking, like all right, you were like vocal
white supremacist guy and you married a Columbian girl, like
and so my friend asked, the mutual friend asked him, well,

(56:39):
you know, I said, at least is she on the
lighter side and he said, yeah, kind of, And and
my mutual mutual friend was like, what do you mean
kind of? And he was like, gosh, you know, she's Fromua,
and then I.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Break out laughing.

Speaker 8 (56:52):
So it's uh, he married like like literally every American
would say black, like literally like there's very little shades
blacker than that as far as Colombian girls go. And
because fundamentally, what a lot of these young guys who
fall in with white nationalism or white supremacism, they're looking
for something that doesn't hate them. And so like this guy,
the only reason he was into white nationalism is youth

(57:14):
because his father, Deacon mentioned, you know, his entire schooling,
since his kindergarten, he's told every single day of his life,
you're the problem. You're the reason why the world is
messed up, and it's your fault. And that that has tremendously,
you know, tremendous negative effects on a young man growing
up the fact that you know, I've seen this, you know,
in school growing up myself you know, telling this to children,
it's it's absolutely insane. And so for this guy in

(57:35):
this case, he got an exposure to something that was
more traditional than what he was in and he ended
up falling in love and marrying a traditional girl, a
more traditionally minded girl than the woman he was around.
And she just happens to be effective, you know, super African.
So that's what I mean by like, it's not it's not.
And of course he he had to make new friends
after that, because you know, if you if you go that,

(57:56):
you know, if you go that far out of you're
you know, you're not exactly going to be accepted by
the other you know, white national stypes.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
I want to do.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I want to hit a few comments because people are
wanting to share some of their opinions on the topic.
Shout out to Jonathan Nuby. He's a member of the
Logos Academy. He says, hashtag school Academy crew. Lord have
mercy on the Kirk family. Thank you, brother for doing
this stream. We support and love you. This is sad well,
Thank you very much, Jonathan Nuby. God bless you. Brother
in the family. H Brossey said, husband, father Patri regardless

(58:27):
of what political or theological differences we had with him.
He was a conduit for getting youth to our side. Fact, Andrew,
thanks for the five bucks, he says, I'm studying the
French Revolution for my junior thesis. People have no idea
how fast things can escalate and how unthinkable things can become.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Absolutely, you guys have a comment regarding the French Revolution
and what we're seeing in America right now.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
I do.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
I mean the funding wives the French revolutionaries where things
escalated super quick. They were funded by the Duke Field,
the Duke of Orleans or Leon. However, they say French, Yeah,
that's all these revolutionary movements, they always have an oligarch backing.
Any any uprising that doesn't have any kind of oligarchic
support fails, like fails immediately. Like an example would be

(59:13):
like the peasant rebellion during the time of Luther. If
you don't have like institutional support, they cannot take off.
And that's the thing with BLM, that's the thing with leftism.
These are things that are institutionally supported, right right, yeah people, Yeah, total.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
Astro turf too, because I mean their big thing that
about us protests too, much that it's organic. It's or
look at just it's just the people what a top
like a progressive kind of idea. We're just waking up,
we're progressing. I mean, it's almost this kind of hey galianism. Yeah, right,

(59:51):
that we just realize what's the right side of history,
you know, evolutionary consciousness where the people are kind of
waking up and progressing. I mean it's like it's all manufactured.
I mean the whole sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Revolution, right, yeah, that was all manufacturer.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
That was Timothy Leary is like, I give full credit
to the CIA.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well he said, he said, when you do things like
he was doing, you have to choose teams like the
Red Sox or the Yankees, and he just chose the CIA.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
It's so funny because all the hippie boomers thought they
were rocking out against established It's like it is the
estabe you are the establishment, like the a lot of
the musicians, the whole psychedelic movement, the civil rights all that.
It's like it's all established. It so which is interesting

(01:00:41):
that eventually, you know, I was thinking about this too,
that your average kind of democrat that you know, in
the sixties kind of boomer would be uh anti established
is establishment, you know, like aren't they They're like the
pro corporation, pro establishment, pro war right, So in some

(01:01:02):
sets it kind of like that's the kind of logical output.
Now there's no self awareness that they realized. They probably
still think that they're raging against the machine, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah, COVID Pride month, like whatever the thing is, right,
the meme is like what am I upset about now?
And you said that even with the stabbing, I mean,
the shooting got it was everywhere allver media X. But
like you're saying, the stabbing wasn't anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
No that I mean, well even when I covered it
last night, Pam Bondi, the Trump administration didn't make a
comment on it until Tuesday. So again it was because
of the that X wouldn't let it die for basically
four or five days exactly, and then Pam Bondi was
forced to actually make a public announcement that they're going

(01:01:48):
to use DJ resources to you know, investigate or whatever
they're going to try to do. But I mean nobody,
I think Vance maybe made a comment about it on
Monday about senseless crime in America, But yeah, there wasn't
I mean, the whole arena thing was because X wouldn't
drop it. And for us, it was just like it

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was kind of a tipping point in regards to the
commentary online that we're just tired of all these you know,
tragedies and all these crimes that fit a typical pattern
that keep emerging.

Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
Well, that's a shocker. I'm actually I was surprised that media,
mainstream media is now actually coming crime statistics. Like I
was like, I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That was day Fox News did a special where they.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
I was, yeah, I'm like, wow, that's well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
And how often like FDA are saying earlier, sorry father,
with the radicalization, this just puts Charlie Kirk on blast,
you know what I mean, Like he's now a full blown.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Martyr, all of his work political martyr for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Like they made it work, you know what I mean.
Like if they're like.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Always make it worse for themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Let's shut this guy up.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
Quit kidding yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
And yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Honestly, you know, like there's some like white nationalists and
stuff here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Actually there was a Mexican white nationalist that and again
it's just it's funny because I when I chat with them.
I understand the appeal, like I'm a white you know,
I'm white.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
And but once you're Orthodox and you realize like that,
that game doesn't work because it's another dichotomy. They're like, well, okay,
I grew up. They put me in this box. I'm
going to play the exact same game in this box.
And it's like, no, when you're Orthodox, you transcend that.
There is no Greek, there's no jew were united in Christ.
This is all downstream. The row path is above the

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dichotomy because like abortion, I get that. I had that
all the time, where they're like, oh, we have the
pro life people who say it's it's never wrong, and
then we have the pro choice people who are like,
well it's always right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I'm a moderate, I'm in the middle. I think you
can sometimes kill babies. I'm like, you don't understand Orthodox.
It's all murder right right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
And that's the other thing is they are the ones
that are always so empathetic and they're so compassionate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
They don't understand Christianity at all.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
You see that, so well, they're not empathetic. Let me,
I mean, uh, Patrick, we've gone over this too, Like
the dark triad traits. Remember we did the article from
the Psychologists University.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
A shocking amount of millennials and younger don't have internal monologues.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Now, the thing is, it's really interesting because people I
don't understand why people are so domini. You like, well,
don't you like, you know, believe in the liberals and
the Democrats. I mean, they they're sympathy and empathy for
other people. It's like, no, it's all fake. I mean
the fact that all y'all flying Ukrainian flags in your

(01:04:52):
bio had nothing to say when this poor Ukrainian refugee
got yeah right murder. That tells all they don't care.
The fact that they're pushing skittles love is love. They
don't love them. These are narcissistic Macavelian sociopaths, right, that
hide behind this flowery language of compassion. You're so mean,

(01:05:15):
Jay Dyer, FDA is so mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Did Cuban, What's happen? Do you see Tucker georgs Cuban about?

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Cuban's like, oh, yeah, we should be sending money Ukraine,
and Tucker He's like, I'm Ukrainian.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Tucker's like, oh, how much money.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Have you sent Yeah, none, No, you're a billionaire dude,
Like put your money where your mouth is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Right, Yeah, b Ola, welcome brother.

Speaker 9 (01:05:41):
Hey y'all, how's I would say, how's it going? That's
pretty pretty uh pretty rough day.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
It's been an interesting time in America. You know, I
want to give you space. Uh we've been you know,
anything that where you want to go regarding what's unfolded today,
the state of America, your thoughts on anything feel free.

Speaker 9 (01:06:02):
Well, I will say that we've we've you know, in
the last five years, they've been pretty heavy. We've really
hyper accelerated everything. And and the I would say, I mean,
the spirit of chaos and destruction is sort of rampant.
And I think one of the things that results out
of an act like this is obviously chaos and confusion.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
I don't know if any of any of us are confused.

Speaker 9 (01:06:26):
I don't think anybody watching this is confused, but it
does engender a sense of confusion.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
In the wider public. And you know, I've got the
Boomer News on the background to see if they've you know,
what the l anybody, Yeah, what the up to date
stuff is? You know?

Speaker 9 (01:06:44):
Yeah, but you know, That's another interesting thing is that
these things happen so quickly that and this really ramped
up in twenty twenty. That these things happen so quickly
that the traditional news cycle, of course, is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Far behind where we are in the world right now.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
And I was sort of ruminating, ruminating on this, and
obviously with I'm sure you guys have discussed the fact
that the Big Nine is tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
You know, we're in the that sort.

Speaker 9 (01:07:13):
Of mask asualty sort of season here unfortunately, and and
I think that I don't know what to say about
this other than that it was really grotesque.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
It was really sick and grotesque.

Speaker 9 (01:07:28):
And the the symbolism of the act, you know, not
to get too esoteric, I guess into it, but that's
sort of what we do. And I think that that's
part of the act itself, that is that that obviously
plays a role in this, in the spectacle of the thing.
And I think it was it really was horrifying, you know.
I have to say that when I first saw the thing,

(01:07:49):
you know, I think probably like a lot of people
were sort of numb to events and initially in terms
of the the the continuous cycle of it, and then
you know, give it a couple of minut or whatever,
and it really starts to weigh heavily on the soul
that you know. I mean, like a lot of people
here and I'm not going to speak ill of the dead.
I don't really have any ill to speak. I was not,

(01:08:10):
you know, a fan of Charlie Kirk. Well, he was
a love that's a moot point. Now it's it's yeah,
that's uh, you know, uh, you know this this is
absolutely a true it's really a vampirical Somebody wrote me
today and said that, you know, they were looking at
it and they were saying, it's it's almost vampirical, you know,
the the sense that we see this poor Ukrainian girl

(01:08:31):
on the on the bus or whatever, you know, get
get it in the neck, and then we see this
today and it does that does sort of lend itself
to the fact that that the whatever the system is
is feeding, is feeding on people and certainly feeding fears.
And not to mention the fact that this is a
it's I think there's a danger with this sort of
thing that like with Big nine, uh you know, twenty

(01:08:55):
four years ago, we you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Know, there's the there's that never forget, but we do.

Speaker 9 (01:09:01):
People do, especially younger people, tend to forget that it
was a real event, that there was something that occurred
and that people lost their life, and it's it's absolutely
diabolical that it happened. And this is a sort of
continuation of this was where we see this one figure
who has his voice and his life taken away on
a stage in front of people and on the world stage.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, and doing moderate conservative debates that are very reasonable.
You know, he's not trolling people. He's very respective. You know,
you watch these videos like the clips that go viral.
You know, some leftists will be crazy. But the whole
brand of it is how Charlie Kirk like his mic down,
lets the person speak until they're done, and then he'll
ask a question. And that's what he was doing. The

(01:09:46):
question the commentary that was happening when he was shot
was on trans violence and he was talking about how
it's a problem in America and then ask the person
to provide example, set the mic down, and that's when
he was sniped through the throat.

Speaker 9 (01:09:58):
Right, Well, all I have offer, really or to you know,
I try to you know, I tend to look at
things through some sort of literary lens. I mean, that's
that's I think. I think it's important to look at
things in parallel, uh. And first I started thinking about
political assassinations involving the neck, you know, and obviously there's

(01:10:18):
the famous one with JFK literally grasping at his neck
in the back of the in the back.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Of the limo.

Speaker 9 (01:10:24):
And then Benezir Budo, I think, was assassinated through the neck.
And this is a sort of very you know, real,
hyper real thing that takes place where we see blood
pouring out of the neck and a person collapse in
and it's it's diabolical, it's it's really sickening. It it brings, uh,

(01:10:47):
the kind of hatred, hatred of goodness and you know,
life full on display for everyone to see in a
in a world where I don't think that we're supposed
to see things like this all the time. Certainly we
are not supposed to live in a world where we
see everything all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
You know, all of us have kind of talked about that.
I think that.

Speaker 9 (01:11:10):
I was thinking about how this is like the culmination
of something that began in Vietnam, which is like where
you get the war broadcast on the television, which was
supposed to, which was supposed to, you know, show that
these are events that are occurring and this is the
way that we're fighting, and then ended up you know
with like parents seeing their kids on TV, you know,

(01:11:32):
their their children on TV fighting, and that it ended
up in this reverse.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Thing where now we now.

Speaker 9 (01:11:40):
Everything is sort of communicated or televised or in the media,
and yet there is this reverse effect where we are
so shut off from reality that it really, I don't know,
it leads to some sort of spiritual darkness purposely so.
And the other thing I thought about was that I
was this is this seems very far fetched to people,

(01:12:02):
but I was I was reading this uh literary theorist
Susan Sontag, and I just covered her, and I was,
I was looking into what she says about this French
theatrical theorist, This is this seems really far.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Off, and it's not in bad taste.

Speaker 9 (01:12:20):
But the French theorist Antonin Arteau is a kind of culmination.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:12:26):
He sort of represents what came to be postmodernism in
the world and through the lens of art and then
eventually into politics and the sort of hyper real and
his theories about art were essentially that the theater would
there would be It wasn't that there would be no
difference between the audience and the theater. It was that

(01:12:46):
the world would be the theater, not in the Shakespeare
in all the worlds of stage way, but that the
Artau believed that the spirit of nihilism and uh, a
kind of post industrial negativity would result in the fact
that people only believe really in violence, the violent spectacle

(01:13:10):
would overtake any other feelings of virtue or goodness, and
that that would be the thing that magnetizes people to
existence itself, and that that that seems like a really
far line away from this, but this did take place
on a stage. It's it's already on a stage. We're
watching it like it's a like it's some sort of

(01:13:31):
theatrical event. It becomes highly almost highly stylized watching it.
And then we see him on a stage, you know,
almost on a dais and it's for everyone to see,
and it's in a shot in the neck, taking his
voice away and taking his life like I see live stream,
live stream. So this these sorts of events I think
are much worse uh than we we sort of remember

(01:13:57):
you know that we sort of give them credit for
because we we The other thing that happens is we
get more and more desensitized to you know, the individuals
every day. I'm not saying us, but people at large.
And I think that it's important again, like C. S.
Lewis says in in in the Last Battle, that that
it's very easy for us to feel like it's you know,

(01:14:18):
we don't want to get taken in and so it's
almost impossible to take us out of things. So we
have to remember humanity and that, you know, we we
are supposed to virtue and faith and goodness and sympathy
for people, and this this sort of thing was just
I mean, this is fucking mayhem.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
It's just as you just gross. So, so what I want.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
To We're gonna I'm trying to catch up on some
of the comments that people had and then uh, I
got a couple more questions for you guys, just to
get your opinion. So let's run through these real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
H H.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Browsei throws in twenty bucks. Thank you so much, bro,
he says, disheartening to say the least. Absolutely. Jube has
a comment for everybody coincident near nine to eleven. Bla
just made that point. Patriotach type policies coming incoming, Kirk
will be a sacrificial lamb for justifying Palenteer nineteen eighty four,

(01:15:10):
Tech mass surveillance on us. Anybody have a comment on that.
I could certainly see that.

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
Well, certainly for something involving involving guns. It seems like
this would be the perfect opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
For us if we find out like I've seen speculation
online that it had to do with his rhetoric about
Islam and that Islam shouldn't exist in America. That some
people think that it's a Muslim guy. Some people think
that it's a leftist, some people think maybe it's intelligence
of one nation or another. So we don't know, but

(01:15:46):
if it was a Muslim, I could easily see this
being used as a counter terrorist measure similar to nine
to eleven.

Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
To keep in mind is what do you call it?
Criminality in among a population is symptomatic of the elite,
because the fact is the ruling a ruling class that's
competent can suppress crime very effectively. Like if you look
at you know, leak one you on the small scale,
or you look at him, you know, he's the guy

(01:16:17):
that he respected the most, who was up and coming
when he was when he was an old man. Like Shijingping,
you really can like what do you call it, like,
you can actually just do things. And that's the thing
to take into account. So like the ruling class really
can shut down crime. Like you look at the case
with Trump occupying you know, with Washington, d C. What
he did recently, or what he's trying to do with Chicago.

(01:16:38):
The reason why Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit were you know, violent hellholes,
Washington d C as well, is because that's what the
leadership class wanted. And that's something I find to be
very fascinating in that regard.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
It's what do you call it?

Speaker 8 (01:16:53):
I mean, evil leadership just produces in Evil leadership doesn't
go out of it's not going to protect any of
the local population. They rule from the evil because they
tend to protect those who are doing the evil. And
that's something you'll see, you know, like in the case
like whether you take look at BLM, where you look
at all these NGOs which are pushing for reducing sentences,

(01:17:15):
you know, reducing what do you call it, you know,
being kind or being gentler with repeat offenders.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
To remember when they let them out during COVID they
were just.

Speaker 8 (01:17:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was It's crazy. And it's that's
the thing to take into account, Like how society is
is very much a reflection of the ruling class.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
You control it.

Speaker 8 (01:17:36):
Uh, And that's the that's the thing about here. So
like in the case of like you meant so going
back to this with the Patriot Act for example, so
the Patriot Act made legal that which was already being done,
huge influence on me growing up. One of my best
friends growing up, his grandfather was actually one of the
he was using like pre pre sept for programmers in
the crowd. He used the Quay languages that were preseqel

(01:17:57):
for using working with databases that they have up in
Utah for the Nebraska I think as well, and even
down here in Texas for the for the NSA. And
like their goal was what the Patriot Act made legal
and public they were they were working on building that
back in the sixties. So it's you know, these are
plans within plans, and so in terms of if there
is a surveillance thing that gets passed you know publicly,

(01:18:20):
where certain types of surveillance, you know, whether it be
using a I or what have you made legal? Then
all you need to just know that they've already been
using it. They're just publicly making legal what they're already doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Right, Well, go ahead a little two cents.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I wish I could have my Jordan Peterson accent. What
are you going to do with the evil bucko?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
You know, like all of society when it becomes removed
from Christianity and specifically Christ, all it is is violence
becomes the main stage. Right like as us we're going
to church every Sunday, there's violence, but you know it's
turned upside down with the passion, and so all of
society comes this rage baiting violence force, like all of

(01:19:03):
our media nowadays, Like when's the last time you've watched
media and you've seen something like heartwarming? It's because our
whole society has removed God. And that's what Peterson ultimately,
you know, one of his things was always like, Okay,
you can say God doesn't exist, but most people will
admit that evil or bad exists.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
So now what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
And I think what's interesting about all the quote unquote
coincidences that happens. I mean, that's what the evil one does, right,
he just mocks God. Where we say, look at all
these divine providence, where these things line up perfectly, the
devil does the exact same thing. So whether it's not
having these two major deaths in the same week, right
coming from the neck, it's like the devil's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Just mocking God.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah. Absolutely. Keenan Beach throws into two Bucks, says, this
one makes me sick man. Yeah, when I I had
a visceral reaction in my gut too after learning it
was real. Like I said at BLA, I mentioned this before,
It's like, no matter what our disagreements were, Charlie Kirk
because of his moderate stances. I mean, that could have

(01:20:05):
been anybody who makes any right of center commentary on
politics today. And that's what I think. That why it
kind of shakes people up, is that anybody who creates
content or puts out your opinion online. And I don't
even have a big channel, but I get, you know,
emails from people that are you know, and you dismiss
it because you're like, this is a wacko. But I mean,

(01:20:28):
my god, just I think the symbolic takeaway for many
people is we Wow, that could have been anybody, absolutely anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean we we uh, you know,
we we know some.

Speaker 9 (01:20:41):
Some people that are quite big and it does it
really is it's uh, I don't know. I don't know
what to say about it. I think it's it was
pretty it's pretty harsh broad daylight, you know, in a
college campus and all and all that. I mean, I
guess the college campus is sort of the stage for
the sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Man, Dave've been a total crew member for three months,
says this feels like a turning point in America. No
pun on turning point USA. And I wanted to get
to this one because I'm curious if you guys have
any specific or you know, nuanced thoughts on where this goes, because,
as I said, I'm kind of lost. I do feel

(01:21:26):
it's a turning point. I do feel it's going to
radicalize more and more people. I mean, just even recently
I mentioned this last night. Within the last few months,
just talk with normy conservative people because of social media,
they're getting fed all this stuff regarding crime and the
attack on white people. Like I've talked with some really
normy people that aren't super political and their opinions, and

(01:21:49):
even the things they say now are a little bit
sharper than they used to be. So definitely, it's it's
a turning point regarding some type of undergirding revolutionary spirit
that's present in the entire Western civilization right now. But
do you guys have any thoughts what what the turning
point is or are you willing to speculate about where

(01:22:10):
this is going to go?

Speaker 9 (01:22:14):
I thought twenty twenty was already the turning point, you know, yeah,
you know this this seems to be just that, both
the fallout and the ramp up from that. I mean,
the whole world set on fire. And I think you
guys brought up I caught a little bit earlier, and
you guys mentioned the sixties. You know, Father Deacon said,
you know wisely that this is in the sixties. It's

(01:22:34):
not like the sixties. We're coming out of the war,
and you know, we you know, they saw assassinations constantly
all the time. This is those were also it is
weird when you have you know, an internet guy live
you know, a guy doing that does live streams, and
the internet guy who's now at the forefront of all
this stuff, and that that seems that seems to be

(01:22:58):
this sort of hyperreality that we're in where you know,
any I guess anybody can get at any time, you know,
with this stuff, and it's it's, uh, it's I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
What to say about other than that it's diabolical.

Speaker 9 (01:23:10):
I was I was before before this happened, before I
learned about this. Today I picked up randomly an old
copy that my dad had sent me of American Provda
Masad assassinations from twenty twenty, and I was reading Victor
Ostrovsky and reading about assassinations. And one of the things
that Astrovsky talks about is that the whoever's you know,

(01:23:32):
there's a difference between high tier political targets and general
populations as far as the sixties through the eighties in
terms of like the way that intelligence I guess delineates
these things. But then when it came to certain groups
and political targets, especially with the voice they became, they

(01:23:53):
they entered the same tier. And so we we definitely
see that with this sort of thing. But it yeah, hey,
by the way, crazy world.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Time to return back to this book.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, program to kill Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
And I don't you know, I want to draw Charlie,
how should I say that too much congruence to something
like the martyrdom of the royal family. And it is
weird now that we're in twenty twenty five that it's
all much more apparent, we have much more data so
whether or not that's a good or a bad thing.

(01:24:32):
Because I try to explain that to people that aren't Orthodox,
I'm like, you know when people are why you're Orthodox,
and I'm like, you go through history, and I think
for a lot of people, looking at early Russian history
and what happened in Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution really
starts to open your eyes towards the current age end
of that's happening here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
And at the same time, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Like, Okay, can you imagine if a radical leftist group
went into the White House, had Trump, you know, say,
I'm not president anymore, took his family out, ran around
the country, and then one random night butchered him in
the basement, and all.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Of his family members like, we're not there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I don't know if we would get there, like would
be going to straight civil war before that. But you know,
they they tried this on Trump not too long ago.
I mean it we we got by, you know, by
the by the little bit of the year. And I
don't know how to say this optimistically. It's like I
don't want to say that I'm not surprised, but like
they tried for Trump, now they got charged. Like what's next?

(01:25:32):
At how many is there going to be another attempt?
Like what do we watch out for? And at what
point It's like, what is the intervention? Because there's going
to be more and more people who want to use
physical arms. I think I saw that in a super chat.
It's like, at what point you take the military and
round up whatever group and how long do people like
the first group the first chat had said.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Like we have been like on this pinpoint for a while.
Covid really exposed that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
I think, glory to God, you know, I'm I think
the right has a little bit more of a cool
head than the left. Like to imagine if this had
happened to a leftist, like, oh man, we'd they'd be
torching the streets right now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
It's on Abby. I mean, isn't he like one of
the biggest left or left political commentators, So yeah, it so,
you know, it definitely feels like it's a I would
agree overall in regards to culture with Bla that twenty
twenty was the turning point. But this feels like a

(01:26:33):
catalyst for people that maybe were brought towards the center
after twenty twenty and pushing people over to the right.
It just feels like something's gonna change.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
And by turning point, no turning back, Like it doesn't
seem you know, prior to twenty twenty, it was like, oh,
we could have civil discourse and dialogue, and you know,
somewhat I think it was getting heightened, you know, the
rhetoric and stuff during you know, twenty sixteen and stuff

(01:27:08):
like that, but the Koup really made it apparent, even
in our own church, that this whole you can have
dialogue with these It was an apocalypse. It was in
the Greek sense of the term, a revealing that they're
fundamentally a different ideology that like there's no reasoning, and

(01:27:31):
part of that's kind of laid out in the postmodern
kind of tenants and stuff like that, and even before
postmodernism too, in terms of I would even say kind
of Marxist material dialectics that the embracing of kind of contradiction.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
Yeah, in the.

Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
Material instantiation, so that leads to the negation of the
into the next kind of phase.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
And stuff like this, the fracturing of their psyche.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
That why are you you know, these groups don't care
about logical consistency. No logic is white supremacism and colonisms, right,
it's the colonizers, right, Like, so you can't use reason
and argument they don't care about. It's just libido dominanti.
It's power, it's you know, material, dialectical you know, uh,

(01:28:26):
methodology and heuristics, and so it's like, what do you
do with something like that? Now, of course we invite
all into the church to be healed, and on a
rare occasion, I have seen that happen with somebody who's
on the left or liberals and stuff like that. But
it's harder, it's hard. It takes a lot of time.

(01:28:48):
Why because they already have a mindset that the church
is the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Right, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
I need to be it needs it needs to progress,
or it needs to really really love the aesthetics. But
we need you know, we need women, you know, deaconesses,
we need to you know, modernize. And it's I think
Jose mentioned it earlier it's the people that have ideology
over Orthodoxy. Yes, Orthodoxy.

Speaker 9 (01:29:13):
I went I went to the the the conference this
past weekend and one of the things that was brought
up was that that Christianity really thrives in oppression and
that's when it becomes when it becomes greatest. And I
think that the the opposing force to that is that
that oppression is the sort of language of the of

(01:29:38):
the degenerate, degraded, h demon people that the more I
mean look at the reactions, it's it's almost like, you know,
the the the literal spewing violence of blood coming out
of the neck is a kind of new Baptism for
people who see that that you know, oh this is

(01:29:59):
they're saying, this is you know, what you get when
you think a certain way and that or when you talk,
you know, or when you oppose the kind of system
that that that creates an ideology that replaces religion. If
everything is about identity and ideology and it leaves no
room for faith, then one seems to only have faith

(01:30:21):
in in the spirit of violence and what what someone
can do to another human being physically, you know, physically
or or psychically I suppose, right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
Yeah, they know what they sorry, Well, you know, look.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
At them rins and repeating the different agendas, right, whether
it was race or whether it's you know, the feminism,
or whether it's there's just always a new agenda transgender gaate,
Like they're just and it's like they find the weak point.
Oh uh, this isn't working. Let's move over here, right,
And they're using that, uh, that ideology to control the
playing field, like like Father Deacon was saying, and then

(01:30:59):
once they get us stuck in there, we play their game.
And that's ultimately the issue. It's like how long do
we play their game? Then you get into how deep
does the deep state run? How much of this the
polemics is controlled? Was this guy mk ultraud? Was he
just a boomer crazy person that like I don't like
Charlie Kirk, so I'm going to assassinate him?

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Or yeah, you know according so I was trying to
catch the latest. The FBI apparently had the weapon, and
there's rumors online that they have the guy in custody,
but Cash Battel has said that they don't have him,
that it's still investigates, it's still under investigation.

Speaker 6 (01:31:37):
Well is that true? I thought he said, saw.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
They had a friend of the boomer killer, but they
had a friend in custody, but not the actual killer yet.
But they do call the rifle which again looked like
a three to oh eight, which is what I thought
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Well, And I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Got a question for you guys, like, you know, a
week ago, people were called like at what point? And
maybe I'm wrong again, I'm a little biased towards the rights.
I don't really feel like I see anyone on the right,
at least on the mainstream, being super aggressive like calling
for virun violence.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Am I bias?

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Do I see that more on the left where people
are like, this guy's an Nazi, he needs to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Be taken out.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Right, This happened before Trump got shot at like the
left was currently like throwing stuff, throwing stuff, throwing stuff,
and then you get on media now and Elizabeth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Warren and Barack Obamas. Oh I'm so sad for him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
It's like, really, I'm pretty sure you're ripping on him
and calling him the debt worse than the devil, because
calling him, you know, an Nazi is worse than being
a Satanist nowadays, right, Honestly, if you want to insult someone,
you don't call him a Satanist, you call him an Nazi.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Well, and to Rachel's points, she said that Andrew's parents
called the h called him today terrified because they feel
like that could have been him, which absolutely, and you know,
we all love Andrew and the Wilsons, but you know,
his style isn't Charlie kirkstyle, and you could easily see him,
you know, instigating these crazy people and the rhetoric around

(01:33:04):
Andrew and some of the stuff that you see online. So,
like I said, it could have been anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
I mean, yeah, you know what, I don't even get
into politics unless I'm just doing kind of political philosophy,
the history of political philosophy or something like that kind
of analysis. I got a death threat letter. I had
to make a police report. I had to like turn
it into my school, like and I'm like, there's whack,
And I'm like it was probably nothing, but you never know,

(01:33:30):
like it could be any of us. Like you said,
the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
I got somebody sent me my address. They didn't directly
say they're gonna kill me, but they said they're gonna
harm me. I did not turn it into police, and
nothing came of the person stopped messaging me. But they
were on like a tear for like seven days, like
constantly emailing me, and then they emailed my address, which
I found very creepy.

Speaker 6 (01:33:51):
Well there's there's nutsos and it's like like, uh, Patrick,
you've probably gotten some I've gotten some crazy weird emails before. Yes,
that one, I was like, all right, actually this is
a bit serious. I probably have to go in case
something happens, just make a report. But like you know,
like totally unhinged people. Probably a tranny on ssriyes, and

(01:34:17):
like they just especially if you're public, like that's the face,
like that's the person. That's the person, that's my enemy
and I have to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Right, And they look at you as an archetype. So
they're not even killing Charlie Kirk. They're killing you know what,
you know, moderate Protestant Christian conservatism. And that's what I
feel like they think they're seeing. But thank you very much, Melie.
She gifted five total crew memberships. God bless you Jack
the guitar God throws in five says Lord have mercy,

(01:34:52):
Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy. Thank you very much
Jack for the support. God bless you brother, Mellie sends
in twenty says, we need to be courageous in the
face of evil, especially now they want to silence us.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
Yeah, let me talk about forgiveness real quick, because people,
you know I talked about this of the same paceus brotherhood.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
And then also it when Father Turbwin I did our
workshop together. People misunderstand forgiveness. I think it's more about
like the person, your forgiveness does very little to the person,
you know. Forgiveness is not forgetfulness either, just sweeping under
the red and nothing ever happened. Forgiveness, as Father Russell says,

(01:35:37):
is a release from the captivity of the memory of
the past. So we forgive our enemies and those who
hate us. That doesn't mean you put a killer in
your home.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Right, Well, just come on in, let somebody let them
out cash free bail.

Speaker 6 (01:35:54):
Yeah, somebody. Let's say I wanted drunken binge on your
is the treasury or parish counsel and they wipe out
the bank account going to the casino, and you say,
I forgive you. What that doesn't mean is because you
forgive them, you put them back into Well, here's the
church credit card for the right, and that's what people think,

(01:36:16):
so there are legal consequence, there are duties as a citizen,
right like as a Christian you can forgive, right, turning
the other cheek doesn't mean enabling it either. And this
is something that's totally always misunderstood in terms of Christianity
and ethics. It's called ethical monism. Now is orthodox were

(01:36:40):
ethical pluralists. That doesn't mean relativest But what that means
is ethical rules are not absolute. So that means how
they're applied where in which way is not everywhere at
the same place, in the same stringency, in the same degree.
And you notice this within Protestantism, right, Well, it says

(01:37:01):
this in the Bible, so it's just this kind of absolute.
It's like, no, actually, there's nuance to moral commands.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
For example, Roman Catholics and Protestants do the same thing.
I call it it in logic, the fallacy of accident.
You should always return property to its rifle owner, right
that you borrowed it from. That's a moral principle that
we'd all say, yes, Now, use some type of continent
and be like in every single situation, I'm an absolutist

(01:37:30):
and ethical monist. Well, okay, suppose you borrow your neighbor's
hunting rifle, and they've been up on meth for the
last week, and they've got their children and wife tied up,
and says they're going to kill them and everybody in
the neighborhood. And oh and by the way, they want
their rifle that you borrowed back. Well, Bible says moral

(01:37:57):
will say, I mean, how stupid this. So you know,
when it says call no man fool, is that an
absolute no? When it says turn the other cheek, does
that mean the same thing everywhere, at all times, in
the same street, Like no. And so in light of this,
we're called to forgive. That's what forgiveness is. But it
doesn't mean that a citizen, even as an orthodox Christian,

(01:38:20):
doesn't take doesn't speak up, doesn't take an active role
even in local politics, to make sure there's loss. Who
said it? By the way, I love this line. I
mean we're at this point right where I think it's
Oscar Benevitez for my friends everything for my enemy is

(01:38:45):
the law? How true is that right now?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
Yeah, yep, that's not on Christian. That's not on Christian
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Mellie throws another five says they have zero piece. Absolutely,
and I just tagged another one of these in the chat.
H Charlie Kirk is in hell for not being Roman Catholic.
Like really, guys, we just talked about this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
It makes you wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Yeah, maybe it's a trolley count or something, but that's
one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
Maybe he's gonna hell for not joining the gay Skittles church, right,
I mean, how absurd you didn't join the Gates argument.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, even if that's your sentiment to say it, like today,
you can't just take a break today, Like my god,
the guy had two kids, they were young. He was
so excited. I mean he was. He was super pro family,
Like whatever differences we had, he was super pro like
Protestant Christianity and family.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
And come on, dude, are they gonna blame South Park?

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:39:59):
Because that was the first That was the first episode
of the new season, was the Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Did you guys see that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Charlie on
a college campus.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Like I gotta sign off though, all right later you
guys break for me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Good scene your b l A and was good to see.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Melly throws another ten says during the George Floyd thing.
I was out somewhere with my hobby and at the
end of the night I almost was jumped by a
mob just for being a fair female. That woke me up. Yeah,
I think that would Wait up, and that of stuff
is happening all over the place. Go ahead, hose.

Speaker 8 (01:40:41):
I was just gonna say, like, Melly, one thing you
understand is like again, like just like how this guy
who was schizophrenic in the case of mom mentality, It's just.

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
Uh, what's a what's what I'm looking for?

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
Like a shooting gallery for you know, unclean spirits and
demons to throw you know, darts into people's minds to
do stuff the otherwise wouldn't do. And the thing is
taking to account is uh, the demonic does hate beauty
because beauty is an energy of God, and objectively speaking,
women receive a whole lot more of that physically than
men do. Like even you know, you're playing average woman
who's healthy, well, she's still going to be physically more

(01:41:12):
appealing to look at than you know, a good looking guy.
So it's just that, you know, men and women both
agree on this. It's it's you know, So it's just
something to consider and that's why you know, men are
supposed to protect their women, and that was one of
the failings with the the Ukrainian girl, the fact that
her male family members would you know, essentially allow.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
If they're here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I never found out whether the rest of her family
was here.

Speaker 8 (01:41:38):
She has an uncle who's here. Yeah, so that's I'm like, like,
why would you I'll be frank like, you know, so,
I mean I've been you know, back when I was
newly wet and I was poor and everything, and my
wife and I we would use public transportation, but my
wife was always with me.

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
You know. That's uh.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
I was not going to have my wife go somewhere alone,
you know, without me in a place where you know
it's prone to you know, violent behave or violent crime,
et cetera. You know, and as a rule, these people
also you have a tendency to go for the weakest
targets that are available. And you know, like in this case,
for example, you know, this girl, she's completely unprotected and
she was targeted because it's a you know, essentially crime

(01:42:14):
of opportunity for the demonic right. And then compare that
to my wife's experience, where you know, she wasn't targeted
by anything because you know who was right next to her,
you know, her husband was, who was weighs more than
two hundred and fifteen pounds lean, and it could potentially
be armed because it's Texas, you know, it's it's men
have a duty to look out for their own, their womenfolk,
and that's something that America, unfortunately, in the feminist push,

(01:42:36):
is completely abandoned. That's and I wanted to go step
back to about when the question about is this the
turning point or when is the turning point? Like if
one means when is the turning point where things actually
turned into a civil war? So if you look at
the American Civil War, where you look at the you know,
twenty civil wars in Columbia, or the English Civil War,
civil wars kicked off when a couple of things that

(01:43:00):
have to happen. But one of the necessary conditions is
oligarchs start forming their own like networks that are independent
of one another. So you end up having separate parties
of the people who actually decide what happens in the nation.
And the second part after that is there's not enough
wealth or pie or whatever it is to keep all
those oligarch families in the same position. Of comfort, wealth

(01:43:22):
and power that they have. And then three these the
oligarch families essentially conclude the only way that they can
maintain what they have is through violent force, and that's when.

Speaker 5 (01:43:32):
You get the civil wars kicking off.

Speaker 8 (01:43:35):
And so just give us an example. So things like
the ruling class of the United States, you know, they
all go to the same parties, they go to the
same clubs, et cetera. And I was just going to
even as an example, and not I don't need to
particularly pick out these two families, but you know, it's
it's I find that this is an example what i'd
use as a bell weather to tell me, all right,
this is the turning point where things get violent. So
the most successful trading company of all time is a

(01:43:56):
company called Renaissance Tech. So I learned about them because one,
you know, there are a bunch of mathematicians and quants
physicists who essentially trade stocks, and they intentionally hire people
who have zero financial education whatsoever. They only want mathematicians, physicists, etc.
And they would always recruit people from my university back
when I was in school. So that company was founded

(01:44:17):
by a guy named Jim Simmons. He's passed away. But
the Simmons family is super wealthy, and Simmons is actually
like the number five donor. Simmons family are like the
number five donor to the Democratic Party. So this is
a very powerful family that made a bunch of money
through Renaissance tech. The other family that made a bunch
of money through Renaissance tech was the Mercer family. So
Robert Mercer being the what you call it, for lack

(01:44:39):
of a better termed the godfather of the whole Mercer clan.
So he's not dead, but he's retired and he's essentially
stepped back.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
And because he only.

Speaker 8 (01:44:46):
Had daughters, one of his daughters, I think it's a
rebecca who's taken over managing what the family's doing with
their fortune. And they are actually they were huge in
funding a lot of stuff on the right. And so
before people ask like, well, how right wing were the Mercers?
So I know Robert Mercer. He was a man who
was saying that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake
since the sixties, like consistently. So there are many things there.

(01:45:06):
I think your average young, you know, base guy, I'll
just say that that guy was based.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
On a lot of things.

Speaker 8 (01:45:12):
Before you were ever born, but he tends to be
usually the number one in pushing I know, like it
wasn't just Peter Field who push shad events, So Mercer
also had a hand in selecting him. And he also,
like what do you call it funded for example bray
Bart News, the Mercer family, for example, is the funding.
They are the front funding behind Tucker Carlson. That's why

(01:45:34):
Tucker Carlson is doing what he's doing. So these two families,
the Mercer families and Simon's families, they're both fantastically wealthy.
They both are functionally what do you call it, they
are ruling like they are genuine ruling class in the
United States, and they both made their money for decades
together and effectively in bed together. In terms of business

(01:45:54):
and when it comes to business partnerships, they are in
many ways closer than a meritable relationship or at least
your average maritaal ship in the United States. But that's
because it's my spiritual father put it in. Ninety percent
of Americans who are married do not have a healthy marriage.
So the question is for me, a belwether would be
if these two families that even to this day still
make money even though they find they're they're already falling,

(01:46:15):
coming apart politically, and they're forming their own various factors,
you know, two separate factions. When these families, you know,
not just these two specifically, but these families in general.
When I start seeing them, not not like executions like
what we're seeing with or assassinations like we're seeing with
with Kirk, but when I see that these families start
going after each other's children, that's when you know you're
on the civil war. Civil wars about to kick off.

(01:46:38):
Like that is the turning point that I'm personally looking
out for.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Yeah, absolutely continuing forward here.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Uh subject interrogated and released.

Speaker 9 (01:46:51):
According to the boomer News update, oh uh g.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
T Verino throws in five says, did anyone see the
people online celebrate mister Kirk's passing? Yes? I did. It's
interesting how the left is anti pup U unless it's
used to martyr Christians. And I had a I'm not
gonna share it, but I had a I have told
you guys earlier about the local live stream that I
tuned into. I was looking at the live chat. I'll

(01:47:15):
just read a few to you guys. It says stop
taking up for a man that would have celebrated if
this happened to you or your people. Shaking my head,
I miss Charlie Kirk. He just trusted guns a little
too much. Laughy face, laughy face, laughy face. And its

(01:47:35):
just a bunch of people saying Charlie Kirk and then
having laughy face emojis. It's uh yeah, it's pretty pathetic.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
And then the same gentleman throwing another five and says,
I'm a Catholic, so I do not support the crazy
Catholics in the chat. Just putting that out there. Also,
great show, new subscriber, Well, thank you, brother y, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
Good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Ribus throws in two, says Charlie is a martyr now
as of a result, correct, well, not a martyr in
the Orthodox Church, but certainly a martyr regarding American in
the colloquial cultural sense for sure. Melli throws in another
five says after this, fwintest should probably think twice about publicly. Yeah,

(01:48:19):
I would imagine, So, I would absolutely imagine. So dog
Meat throws in two says all you please be careful,
this is scary. Melli throws in five says some Hispanics
are very anti black anti Hispanic. Believe it or not,
I do believe that. I've met a couple.

Speaker 6 (01:48:39):
And JB.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Throws in ten says the French have long had a
pension for social deconstruction and political violence. It isn't surprising
that their PDF file philosophers became so popular over here.
This was during BLA talking about postmodernism and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
You see speaking of philosophers. Did you see was it
the cal State? Uh? Not Santa Cruz, but this philosophy professor?
Uh shoot, what was the city?

Speaker 7 (01:49:14):
Uh? Not?

Speaker 6 (01:49:15):
A snard camera came anyways, he got arrested. So remember
when the ice rated that it was like a I
think it was a marijuana farm and had all this
like child labor, and there was like these memes going
around of Gavin Newsom's like he looks like a white

(01:49:35):
Southern plantation. He's like these, uh, these weeds aren't gonna
pick themselves. But he's there and he threw a bottle
and assaulted some of the officers and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Oh I did see that. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly
what we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
And I can't remember what Cal state? But was it camera?
I don't think is it camerio? Have I forget Sant
Cal state Santa Clair. I can't remember you could look
it up, but can you believe that? Yes? And no?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Right, right?

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
But he looks exactly how you would expect exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Yeah, I do remember seeing the photo of I mean,
it was kind of spitting image of what you would imagine.
Fellow parishioner at my parish, brother Charles throws in Tin says,
in my very humble opinion, we are scarily close to
the conditions that produce the French Revolution politically, economically, and spiritually. Yeah,

(01:50:33):
I would second that opinion. I assume everybody on the
panel probably seconds that opinion.

Speaker 8 (01:50:38):
To add to Charles, because it relates to the previous
super chat too familiarly as well. Before the French Revolution,
you had a sexual revolution within eighteenth century France. And
that's something that's very fundamental, like when the family unit
is attacked that way, so or rather, when a population
adopts sexual revolution, they completely abandoned marriage and family life.

(01:50:58):
They no longer care about the following the generations that follow.
It's solely about my own pleasure, me, myself and I,
and it's it's at a essentrally societal scale and that's
something too about you know, when you look at how
things have operated over the last sixty years, one of
the best predictors of what political decisions were going to
get made by the powers that be is just to

(01:51:20):
assume they're going to take the position that gives the
powers that be the most Uh, what's the word. I'm
looking for short, short term benefit at the expense of
future generations. And you see this even you know, in
day to day family life, you can look at the
divorce even though the divorce rates them coming down, that's
mostly because people stop marrying.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Right, Yeah, that's a great point. I wasn't even I
didn't even connect the sexual revolution part to contemporary America
in regard to the French Revolution. That's a great point.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
JB.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Throws another two says, as empathetic as a battle acts,
and he follows that up with they used liberty as
a cloak for vice. First. Peter G. T. Verino throws
in five says, question when is enough enough? Do we
truly have to wait until they start rounding us up?
Can we stop Christian persecution without violence? I think that's

(01:52:14):
I think, you know, father Deacon, And then we can comment,
do you have thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (01:52:24):
Is enough? Do we truly have to wait until they
start rounding? Second? Well, like I said, I mean, just
you know what us priests and father of Turbot, we
talk about Orthodoxy transcending politics. A lot of people misunderstand
that and be like, well, that means I'm not involved

(01:52:47):
in politics at all.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Yeah, you're a political You're not a monk.

Speaker 6 (01:52:51):
Okay, so that's ridiculous. What we're talking about is ideologies
and idols. Don't put that stuff first. The church comes first,
your family comes first, and stuff like that. But I
have always argued, yeah, you have a political and civil
duty to to engage in society and laws, you know,

(01:53:15):
the promotion you know, voting people in through the promotion
of you know, virtue, even if the people aren't virtuous.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
What was it?

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Saint Paysia says, you vote for the person who you
know in a practical sense, it's going to be best
for Christians, right, Yeah, I think Christian you know, Orthodoxricians
do have a duty to engage politically. Just keep that
down on a third fourth thing, right, don't let it
be a distraction and put first things first. That's what

(01:53:43):
I've always But yeah, you're not supposed to be a
passivest like we have Orthodox warrior saints right, like, uh,
we pray for our military and stuff like that. There's
no pativism in Orthodox right. You do have some kind
of like civil duties and stuff that I would argue,
just don't make that anile.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
That's all, gentlemen. You guys got thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
I have a different question, real real quick. Are they
going to catch this guy?

Speaker 9 (01:54:14):
I mean I think that, uh, you know, if this
was a this looks like a full on, you know,
full full on assassination. It doesn't seem like they're gonna
catch the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
It looks like a profect.

Speaker 9 (01:54:25):
Maybe they should be concentrated and concentrating on who put
the guy up to it or who funded it. I
don't know how you go about doing that, But this
doesn't This isn't the same as the Trump situation with
the with the MK ultra patsy at the golf course.
You know who wasn't involved politically, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
But Elon must.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Posted an hour ago. If they won't leave us in peace,
then our choice is to fight or die.

Speaker 8 (01:54:52):
As a rule, be wary of what's what I'm looking for.
Finding yourself supporting oligarchs who have openly stated they want
to replace you all demon worshippers in a specific country
that produces almost all the fecal matter that pollutes all
four oceans. So that's that's the thing to take into account.
It's it's how I get myself in trouble down here

(01:55:13):
and in Texas and that. Uh So I'll just say, like,
I know that there was a little bit of heat
with the issue of the Civil War and slavery at
the previous uh blood.

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
World Conference was the name of it.

Speaker 8 (01:55:24):
But uh, you know, but the thing is, like, my
view of how the Civil War happened is so radically
different than the northern or Southern view of this of
the Civil War. And I've got myself in trouble, you know,
opening my mouth about that. But fundamentally it's uh, I
as much as as people like to, you know, as
much as people like this, you know say, you know,
lost cause versus slavery and states rights and everything else, uh, fundamentally,

(01:55:46):
the ruling class elites of both of the of the
South in particular were frankly very maronic. But you know
that that would have to be its own separate thing
and that's something to think about, like who, who, if
who is trying to instigate you to do something, What
is it they're trying to get you to do, and
who is it? You have to ask yourself QUI going
the who benefits?

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
That was one of the things so say they brought up.

Speaker 9 (01:56:06):
Actually another speaker at the conference brought that up, but
in the in the framework of the American Revolution, which
was that the complaint amongst many of the loyalists was
that the the the American Revolutionaries seemed to be playing
towards moneyed interest in Europe, which they did not understand
at the time, so that that that did sort of

(01:56:28):
play into it in a kind of parallel framework.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
But I definitely see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Yeah, well, Melly throws in five sets support for Bay's
lit Analyzer. Thank you so much, Melly. Id bro throws
intense says, Lord have mercy, rest in peace. Charlie Kirk Guy,
I I know here in Indiana Maguire films those intents that.
Hope you're doing well. Brother, God bless you as well.
Hope you're doing well. Good to see you. Interesting name

(01:57:00):
throws in ten. I now share my birthday with the
unliving of one of the leading conservative commentators of our time.
Lord have mercy on him and his family.

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
David Murdoch art throws intent, says Matthew twenty four to twelve.
How do we know if our heart is cold? Where's
the line between being cold and being a realist? This
feels like a real danger. I'd hope to not grow cold. Well,
I think that gets back to I mean, Father Deacon's
been mentioning it and hammering it over and over. But

(01:57:35):
my thoughts would be it all has to do with
allowing yourself to be a vessel and a temple for
the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit's present within you,
you'll have discernment. And we just need to make sure
we don't act irrationally or based on emotions. Mellie throws intent,
says people need to stop being weak.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
ERT's Aaron throws in twenty. Thank you so much, brother,
he says Virgil. Do not give into evil, but proceed
ever more boldly before it. Lord have mercy on Charlie
and us all. Jayhamsa throws in a generous twenty says,
I'm reminded of William Tyndale who was killed in the
sixteenth century. This brings me to reflect how I'm living.
As Christians, we should look inwardly. Not one of us

(01:58:17):
knows when we will punch that ticket. Our lives are short.
Amen Wayward Frequency throws in five says, earlier today there
was a PEPW event at Colorado High School. Three students hospitalized,
including the purp no loss of life testicular tactics. Throws
In two said, shall we also pray for the perpetrators? Again,

(01:58:41):
I will admit I have not prayed for the perpetrators.
I did pray for the soul of Charlie Kirk after
it was confirmed that he was dead, and his children
and his wife and his parents. So I'm just not
you know my goal, I do not. I'm not a
spiritual roma to anybody, so I'm personally not that in

(01:59:03):
tune to consider the perpetrators yet and pray for their families.
But yeah, it's something that we should all be called to.
Andrew throws in another two says, I think look to
the Old Testament on how God judges nations. Amen Joaquin
throws in thirty Mexican and it says, I think that

(01:59:26):
all the things that are happening are symptoms of the
absence of innate value in the life in the eyes
of modern society. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And
that gets back to both jose and Father Deacon talking
about the Left being a death cult. Yeah, they have
no value for human life. JB throws another five, says,
legit got one quote moderate Left. He suggests that logical

(01:59:49):
fallacies are subjectively determined, and Rachel said, I had a
leftist family member who I don't talk too much for
obvious reasons, text me to say that this is the
risk Andrew and I are taking by being involved in
right wing politics. They're broken. Gorilla Biscuits throws in five,
no comment, Thank you, brother Jason unchained Throwsen five says

(02:00:13):
I appreciate this panel and thanks for creating a space
for us all to discuss and reflect. Of course, that
was the point. I mean. I actually had a Logos
Academy meeting on women tonight, and it just it'd be
hard to just talk about women with a group of
men after everything that happened, So we're postponing that to
next Wednesday, and I thought it was good. I reached
out to these gentlemen to see if they wanted to

(02:00:34):
kind of share their opinions tonight, Jordan Throws in twenty says,
to what DPH has been saying as gen x mail,
being told we're hated, being taught, we're condemned by sin
we didn't commit. Then seeing a charitable moderate person's assassination
celebrate celebrated is strawbreaking to say the least. Yeah, I

(02:00:55):
would imagine for many gen Zers feel that way. And
think of all thes that were at the event. I mean,
I don't know if you guys saw the videos, it
looked like there was like one hundred thousand people there.
Probably not that much, but there's tons of people. It
was at least thousands. GT throws another five and says,

(02:01:16):
not sure if my questions was answered, but how are
we Yeah, we already hit that, so thank you. GT.
Really appreciate it. We just hadn't got to it yet.
Mister sand Throw was intent. I heard Charlie Kirk interview
Father John Strickland on Charlie's podcast. They had a great
conversation about the Orthodox Church. It was definitely a seeker
of truth. Rest in peace, Charlie. And you know, just

(02:01:38):
I just wanted to play this one time because and
I know Rachel shared it, so I'm going to use
her ex account. But this was what Charlie Kirk said
this week to Protestants and Christians about how they need

(02:02:00):
to take more appreciation and venerate the Theotokos. I just
want to play. It's real short, it's only forty nine seconds,
but you know whatever, we think we had our disagreements
with him, but he was he was trending in the
right direction on those things. And this is just this
past week. So I just want to share it real
quick with you guys, and maybe the panel wants to
comment on it.

Speaker 6 (02:02:21):
Say I think we, as prodence and evangelicals.

Speaker 10 (02:02:25):
Let me first say I think we as prodence and
evangelicals under venerate Mary. She was very important. She was
a vessel for our Lord and Savior. I think that
we as Evangelicals and Protestants, we've overcorrected. We don't talk
about Mary enough, we don't venerate her enough. Mary was
clearly important to early Christians. There's something there. In fact,

(02:02:47):
I believe one of the ways that we fix toxic
feminism in America is Mary is the solution. Have more
young ladies be pious, be reverent, to be full of faith,
slow to anger, slow to words at times. Mary is
a phenomenal example, and I think a counter to so

(02:03:10):
much of the toxicity of feminism in.

Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
The modern era. But what me so yeah, so yeah,
I I agree. There's there's all these different clips with
Father John Strickland, uh, and he was very cordial with
Father John explaining orthodox and Father John was also soft
on but he did explain the differences and why doxy

(02:03:36):
H takes umbradge with regarding Protestantism. Joshua Schmidt throws in
tin says, Hi, guys, I'm trying to join, but the
link in the description is for a previous stream. Yeah,
I don't have the link for today. I was just
in case some of the guys weren't gonna be able
to make it. I just we're going to keep it,
you know, just just the guys that are on the
screen today. So appreciate you, Joshua Schmidt. Rachel throws in five,

(02:03:59):
says much love to you, gentlemen, thank you for the stream. Well,
thank you. Rachel dev throws into Jesus Christ, Son of God,
have mercy on. Charlie Kirk Amen Melly throws in it
gives an additional five coal crew memberships. Thank you, Melly.
Kenneth Wells throws in fives as word of caution, watch
for radicalization and nudges for revenge and justice, especially in

(02:04:20):
online groups. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, this
is a great way to fed trap like Christian conservatives
into into a revenge narrative.

Speaker 8 (02:04:33):
And that's something that take to account too, because whenever
you know you're being manipulated, when people are playing on
your emotions, and that's something too. As you know, we
talked about how the leftists in general do not have
a value for human life. The fact is the very
oligarchs that promote this leftism have no do not value
the lives of the leftist cannon fodder that they plan
on using for their own aims and power.

Speaker 5 (02:04:54):
And that's that's the thing.

Speaker 8 (02:04:56):
Just to watch out for it, you know, don't don't
make one self, you know, try to void. I'm not
saying like be an eternal skeptic and everything, but in
the sense of whenever someone's playing on your emotions, whenever
something or some group you know, take it like what
Elon's doing for example, they're always doing it for their
own ends, right, and that's something you got to take
into account. And when when time comes to act, and

(02:05:18):
do you know when it comes time to act as
as a man, let's say the defense of your family
or your locality, your home, your nation, you want to
be making that decision with a cool and level head.

Speaker 6 (02:05:28):
To be honest, I think conservatives are going to keep
a cool and level head. They typically do. I don't
think we're at that point, if you meant by turning point,
that point where the right's actually gonna react. But like
Lord Valdemore said, he's been saying for the last you know, year,

(02:05:53):
watch out for false flags.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (02:05:56):
Like I do think that that's a highly likely scenario
is they're gonna you know, some group, leftist group is
activated and they're gonna go and you know, pretend to
be conservative, right wing, and so that's what to watch

(02:06:16):
watch out for false flags. But I generally I have
a just the demeanor of conservatives and stuff like that. Like,
I don't think they're gonna rise up to violence. I
don't think it's anywhere near that kind of point, no
matter how bad you know things may seem right now.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you as well, you
guys have anything you want to say? BLA.

Speaker 9 (02:06:41):
Somebody super chatted about how are we you know, how
are people supposed to not feel anger? And something like
paraphrasing anger and vengeance with this thing. I don't know
what to offer except you know, Paul Paul quotes Deuteronomy
says vengeance is mine. The day of their doom is
it will come swiftly? Am I right, father Deacon? And

(02:07:03):
I think that I think that, uh yeah, I think
people like that are watching the show right now tend
to be a little more ice cold in the best
way about this sort of thing. And I think that's
an important way to be and to not let fed posting.
And you know, oligarchs drive your emotional your emotional baggage.

(02:07:25):
I mean, if you're walking across the parking lot at
the Wah Wah and a guy says he's going to
kill you, then you know that's different or a hurry up,
you're taking too fucking long. When I'm buying cigarettes and
it's a guy in a Vietnam veteran hat, you know,
yelling at me.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
I just it's funny.

Speaker 9 (02:07:41):
But that's the sort of thing that occurs, you know,
in your daily life when we have, like Ose said,
you know, you take care of your your family and
your friends. I think the one thing that this does
reiterate is that you know, people, people should, like father
Deacon was saying, be involved in you know, you should
be involved at least in your in your daily life

(02:08:02):
or in your mindset and what you believe in terms
of in terms of having a political orientation in some way,
you know, and caring about this sort of thing. But
I do think it is generally a mistake to go
to mass political rallies. We've seen that since twenty twenty.
I mean, not only are you walking into a place
where you're going to get photographed and all that stuff,
but anything could happen, anything like this, and especially you know,

(02:08:24):
I saw the video and there's like there's like moms
with kids on their shoulders and stuff, and you know,
I know that they that and it's terrible, and I
know that they think that it's you know, they're in
Mormon country or whatever, and then nothing's going to happen.
But it just shows you that anything is possible in
the world right now, and that you really have to
take care of yourself. If you go on the subway
or you go on the DC train to the DC

(02:08:44):
subway and you have a wife and kids.

Speaker 4 (02:08:46):
You really have to fucking keep your head on.

Speaker 9 (02:08:48):
A swivel, as they as the as the guys say,
and you really have to watch out for yourself. It's
like driving a car. It's like when you drive around,
you always have to be aware. You could get t
boned in two seconds. Anything can happen to you, and
you have to sort of stay prepared for that sort
of thing. You can't just we don't live in a
world where you can just you know, send your daughter
on the public bus anymore in San Francisco or something

(02:09:10):
and think, oh, it's okay, you know, we know, we
know the community. The community is in major cities especially
is huge. It's it's just you don't know, so I
think this sort of thing, I mean, it really doesn't.
Watching a clip of it right now, and he's just
sitting there one second and then the next second he's gone.
That really does speak for you know, the way we're
all it's it's our time, it's all of our time

(02:09:31):
at some point. But this is just it's awful, and
there's certain things that you can do to uh, you know,
stay out of this sort of situation. I suppose you
don't want to be in there. You don't want to
get trampled either, So I don't know crazy, right.

Speaker 8 (02:09:47):
The thing is, this is just one incident that was
caught on film. The number of incidents, I mean, you
can look at the stistics that are not caught on film.
Like I know, for me and my wife, I mentioned, like,
you know, when we were newlyweds and you're living in
a studio apartment and you know, not so not so rich.
You know, one person mentioned in one of the super
chats that you have hispanics who are anti black and
others who were.

Speaker 6 (02:10:07):
Not so much.

Speaker 5 (02:10:08):
I mean, just a little bit of insight into that.

Speaker 8 (02:10:10):
So when my wife and I went on walks when
our you know, for date nights, there was ice cream
man his name was Adelaida we would buy popsicles from.
And in twenty twenty, uh.

Speaker 5 (02:10:23):
It was four it was.

Speaker 8 (02:10:24):
It was four young black men, although the fourth has
never been caught, who drove up, pull up in front
of where he was, you know, selling popsicles and ice
cream and stuff. Three of them got out of the car,
walked up to him, shot him multiple times and got
back in the car and drove off. They didn't steal.
He was an ice cream guy, so he had plenty
of cash. They didn't take a single dime and they

(02:10:45):
didn't even take ice cream. They literally just stopped in
the middle of the road, walked out, shot him up.
You know, it's this elderly fellow and drove right off,
and you know, that's what do you call it?

Speaker 5 (02:10:57):
Like that's something.

Speaker 8 (02:10:58):
There are other incidents like that too, but that one,
you know, it's it's just that's what's That's what urban
life in America is like, right, And that's just the reality.
It's especially if a man's going to have a family,
or you want to have a family, you cannot have
your head buried into the sand of the realities of
the threats that exist for your wife and your children.
And also even if you're not a married man. You know,

(02:11:19):
we do have a duty towards protecting our parents, especially
in our uncle's aunts, et cetera, when they're elderly, you know,
being aware of you know, the fact is the the
you know, the government, even your local government, city governments
in particular, you know, if they're Democrat run, they're not
going to do anything to protect you. I have a
friend who's on the APD Austin Police Department, and he
told me in twenty twenty, he's like, if anything happens

(02:11:40):
to your wife, there is the odds of a single
like of just having an investigator. Look at the report
that's filed is like one in nine. So the only
person who's going to be there to protect your wife
and the craziness that's happening in the city like Austin.
If you live in Austin, the only person who's going
to protect your wife, your daughters, your young sons is you.

Speaker 5 (02:12:00):
Like, that's all there is.

Speaker 8 (02:12:01):
And you know, the men within your community, if you
have one, and that's the That's just the reality of
the situation of American cities. And you know, as we
see with you know again, as I mentioned before with
d C, this is by choice by the ruling class
who run these respective cities, right.

Speaker 6 (02:12:20):
I don't have a part. So I wanted to say
thank you for having me on and goodness see all.

Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
Thank you for joining in charity, wisdom.

Speaker 6 (02:12:28):
We'll keep this all in our prayers obviously and keep
a cool head. And you know, I said forgiveness as
a release from captivity from the memory of the past.
And so all sins are captivity. They keep us from
becoming who God intends us to be. So don't let

(02:12:49):
this hold you captive. That doesn't mean forget, doesn't mean
not being politically active and calling for law and order
and stuff like that. But just you know, first things first,
don't get in your passions and let yourself be held
captive and prevent your you know, your attempt at at theosis.
So that's what I'll leave all you guys with.

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
All right, well, thank you Father, God bless you.

Speaker 6 (02:13:15):
I'll blessed.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
Let me just speed through some of the rest of
these and if you guys can help me answer any
questions that may come up, and we can say some
closing comments or anything that you guys want to address
before we hop off. We still got a pretty sizable
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Speaker 9 (02:13:55):
And so and follow our friends, you know, I mean obviously,
I mean you brought up Andrew earlier and you can't
help but think of Andrew with this stuff, you know,
and being in public debates with people, and of course
you think about him. So I think it's uh, you know, honestly,
it's more important than ever I think to to follow
our friends, and uh, to go follow the Chris will
go follow Andrew, and everybody here I know follows Jay

(02:14:16):
follows Andrew, and you know, you know, that's all I
want to say about that, you know what this brings
to mind? But uh, and but I'm also thankful that
nobody that we know was involved in this and so.

Speaker 4 (02:14:32):
Fucked up. Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
It's pretty post from website Jezebel from two days ago.
We paid some Etsy witches to curse Charlie Kirk. This
is a spiritual war.

Speaker 4 (02:14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:14:43):
Do you remember though, when they paid when they when
they Lana del Ray and they put the curse on
Trump on the first one and then and then the
third time this time around, they made the statement about
the same thing. And then they the witches came out
and made a public statement and said on behalf of
the Witch Foundation or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:14:58):
He's got a force field around him. It's too strong.
We can't penetrate it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
Nick Bucci throws in ten, says, how do I not
hate as an Orthodox Christian? As I feel so angry?
What is the direction after this? There is pure evil.
There is pure evil, all permeating the earth Father. Asking
for advice, Nick refer to what Father Deacon kind of
addressed that question earlier. Do appreciate the support, but yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:15:27):
Just.

Speaker 5 (02:15:29):
Talk to your spiritual father. That's the first the.

Speaker 2 (02:15:31):
Spiritual father exactly.

Speaker 8 (02:15:33):
And I mean, I'll just give something that's a parallel.
Like in my wife's extended family. So it was it
was referred to as low in Puerto Rico. But there
was a massive sterilization campaign by the federal government in
Puerto Rico for decades and decades in the twentieth century.
And my grandmother in law was sterilized after the fifth kid,
so she was actually one of the victims in that.

(02:15:54):
And like it came out to like so far federal
government admitted to sterilizing like thirty five percent while Porto
weekan woman in the twentieth century as part of that
operation and what do you call it? And so the
way you fight, how do you fight against that kind
of evil? You just you make more babies. I mean,
so it's that that really is it. And also don't

(02:16:16):
trust doctors because my wife's other grandmother in law explicitly said,
don't go to hospitals. Is if you go to hospitals,
you won't be able to get you don't, you won't
be able to get pregnant again thirteen it's thirteen kids,
so you know, you know it's and I'm just saying ironically,
there were actually prior to the last time that someone
attacked the US Capitol building before January sixth, which you know,

(02:16:39):
false flag, but there was actually a real blessing that
was actually a real attack was I think it was
actually back in the fifties, maybe in sixties, but it
was fifties. But it was specifically a bunch of Puerto
Rican nationalists who attacked and they tried to shoot up
the congressman. And the reason was because of the sterilizations
that they were doing, and they didn't accomplish anything. I mean,
they didn't you know, actually managed to I'm like, I'm

(02:17:00):
like January sixth, they actually did get rounds off, and
we're shooting inside of you know, inside the Capitol building.
So it was an actual attack, but they never going
to actually get to any congressman and their actions didn't
accomplish anything. Whereas you know, my one grandmother in law
who's like, all right, I'm just not going to trust doctors,
and you know, she end up having thirteen kids. So
you know, that's that's how you fight back. It's not

(02:17:22):
you know, violence is I mean, yes, sometimes violence is
the answer, but for a lot of things, you know,
you were not that you know, if the time's not yet,
focus on focus on creating new life.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
Yeah, it's hard to see the long term fight. This
is a generational spiritual war. Uh, and revenge for those
that are going to use that term is not in
the immediate moment. There's I mean, who do you even
go after. We don't even know who's ultimately behind it.
It's normal to feel all the anger and the rage
and the frustration with American society, but you know there's

(02:17:54):
nobody to direct it, to direct it towards direct take
that energy and direct it towards productive means. So Melly
threw in another ten says RP. Charlie Kirk. Melly throws
in two more, says getting to the goal, Thank you, Mellie.
Joshua smid through in five says I was just going
to say, keep your parish brothers close. Amen. The experiment

(02:18:17):
is over. The debate has been lost. It's time for
wisdom and vigilance. True Glitchy Rhythm throws in five, says
Christ is already won. Stay positive. I was never a
big fan of Charlie Kirk, but this is disturbing. God
have mercy on us. He is a righteous judge. Amen.
Matthew Johnson throws in five, says vengeful son cometh, Lord
have mercy, Amen, and Melly throws in two with prayer hands.

(02:18:40):
Thank you very much, Melly. Jordan Johnson threw in a
very generous fifty dollars super chat. Thank you so much, Jordan.
He says, I can't say what I want as I
have written this comment five times. Thank you YouTube. Charlie
Kirk will be missed. Lord Jesus Christ, God have mercy
on your servant Charlie. And oh okay, so the eyes
are the leather strap of the anus. Throse in five says,

(02:19:03):
in case you were wondering my YouTube panels a Muslim adeed.

Speaker 7 (02:19:06):
I had no idea. I had no idea what the
name was referring. So okay, thanks for that clarity. I
do appreciate it because you sounded or the dox in
the first comment and I was like, what all right?
So okay, thanks for that clarification. I do appreciate.

Speaker 2 (02:19:27):
And then Melling through in a generous twenty dollars Thank
you so much. Melling for the sports. As they said,
never forget what happened today. Charlie Kirk should always be remembered.
And h Brossei said, FDA, it's been a while, can
you confirm? Sorry, FDA already left. H Brosse. I apologize,
informed the new chat members on the insane subreddit dedicated
due to frocking you. For anybody that isn't privy to it,

(02:19:49):
go check it out. It's weird but also hilarious. Well,
thank you, h Brossei. I apologize. I didn't get to
that sooner. We're kind of talking. I didn't want to
mess up the flow the conversation, and Deacon's already left.
John Vanderschoot throws in three and says, a ton of
my female friends have contacted me about her arena and
Charlie something is happening, or a ton of my male friends.

(02:20:12):
I'm sorry, friends have contacted me about arena and Charlie.
Something is happening. Yeah, something is happening. So and we
just had a couple more come in. Nick Boucci says Dph.
I'm in the Logos Academy. The group gives me solace
and refuge and the madness outside the church and in
my prayer, God bless and Lord have mercy. Well, thank

(02:20:33):
you so much, brother for being part of the academy.
I really appreciate you. And Kingdom Kid throws in five
says thank you for the stream. Well, thank you, sister
for the support. So now we've gotten through all the comments,
is there anything you guys want to address specifically before
we wrap up or anything you want to say?

Speaker 4 (02:20:52):
No, I'll just say that I don't I don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:20:55):
I don't think they're going to catch anyone, you know,
I think this was looks you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:21:01):
It looks a little. Yeah, it looks a little. It
looks a little.

Speaker 9 (02:21:06):
Uh see, I'm you know, m group. Uh you know,
typical bar for the course stuff here. So I don't
know if they're going to catch anybody, and if they do,
look for a Patsy.

Speaker 4 (02:21:19):
I suppose, But this stuff happens so much.

Speaker 9 (02:21:22):
You know, you want to tell yourself that you don't
want to be you don't want to be black pillared
about stuff, or you don't want to be you know
that the trouble, the problem with with the conspiracy world
is that people can go too far and.

Speaker 4 (02:21:36):
Everything everything's aside.

Speaker 9 (02:21:38):
Now this is a this is big, but not you know,
we have to have maximum discernment here and coolness and
so I just I don't know what's gonna happen with this,
but thank you so much, man, appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (02:21:51):
DP.

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
You want to you want to give your you know, chill,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:21:56):
I don't, Yeah, I don't really.

Speaker 9 (02:21:57):
I don't know if I want to promote promote anything
on this one with this, with this whole thing going on,
but yeah, I guess I can promote my chaman it
basically analyze it YouTube. So so thank you, thank you,
the panel, thank you everybody. Thank you to Jose And
I'm glad father Tacon was here especially, so I hope
everybody takes it easy. Uh and Chills and uh, you know,

(02:22:18):
nobody's gonna come. Nobody's coming to save us except for Christ,
who's gonna judge us. All So that's about all I got. Thanks, guys,
appreciate y'all. I'm gonna head out.

Speaker 4 (02:22:31):
That was ahead, bazy, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
Go ahead, ose all right.

Speaker 8 (02:22:37):
The how put it is, things are gonna get worse,
and they're gonna keep getting worse. It's but at the
end of the end of the tunnel they we'll get better.
And one thing we'll say, in terms of one thing
I wanted to point out about the French Revolution and
the sexual revolution that preceded it, the full effects of
a sexual revolution take about take three generations, three full generations,

(02:22:58):
so about seventy five to ninety years.

Speaker 5 (02:23:00):
Before their full factor felt.

Speaker 8 (02:23:02):
So if you're using the sixties as the beginning, then
things as a whole in the West, but American in particular,
are going to keep degrading and it takes that's the
damage that's done by that is going to take generations
to turn around. If you look at Russia after the
rejection of Saint s Nicholas the Second in the February Revolution,

(02:23:27):
that's what led to the October Revolution, That's what opened
the door for the Bolsheviks to rule Russia. And that's
what's the word I'm trying to put it. And that's
where you have Russian essentially a time of captivity for
seventy years, similar to how you know, there's a point
where is rules in captivity for seventy years. So it's

(02:23:48):
you know, it's interesting like if one wants to learn
things about you know, orthodox conception of race, you can
read the Russian saints about russianness and they do love
their russianness. But one thing you'll find or repeat it theme,
is that the russianness without Orthodoxy is worthless. And that's
that's the thing. The faith is what comes first, and
then comes everything else follows. You know, seek first the

(02:24:09):
Kingdom of God, and then everything else will be added
onto you. And that's not a what do you call
it a prosperity gospel verse. It's not about you know,
Pentleys and Benjamins, that is, you know, that's about you know,
if you put the faith first, and you know you
can have a shot at a good marriage, you put
the faith first, you can have a shot at being
a good parent and having a good family life, right,

(02:24:32):
And that's that's the long term solution to the problems
that face or society. It you know, it's it doesn't
It doesn't appear that, you know, one individual person's repentance
gonna matter that much. But you know, just remember Abraham
where he was asking in Jesus like the Theophany, it
was Christ in the Old Testimate. He was asking, what
if there's you know, fifty righteous people in Sodom and Gomora,

(02:24:53):
but if there's forty, thirty, twenty ten, and you know,
Christ says, you know, for the sake of ten, I'll
spare the cities. So it's that's a thing to take
into account. You know, It's one thing we all can
do is try to strive to be one of those ten.

Speaker 4 (02:25:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:25:11):
We had a couple super chaps come in, Harry Sarpanos
through in five last night. I wasn't able to get
to says, due to antigen sin. No respiratory infection vaccine works,
and they knew this in the nineteen sixties. Don't work.
Make the immune system weak and unable to respond to
new variants. Injections aren't a natural way to present a
virus to the body. Only nasal oral maybe fair enough. Yeah,

(02:25:34):
we talked about that with RFK last night, and then
Harry throws another five says, I feel sad for Charlie's family.
May God comfort them. Thanks Dph, Father Ananias, Jose, Mike
and Bla for doing this, and God bless you all.
Father Ananias nailed it. These people are truly narcissistic Macavelian sociopaths.
There is no love inside them. And doctor Vagisil threw

(02:25:56):
in one dollar said, the men who did nothing to
save the woman are the results of punishment of masculinity,
low trust society, and no sense of duty because of
the lack of open dialogue of God's love in mainstream
Media's sadly not surprising. And let me just check dono chat.
Looks like we're caught up. And then Melly threw in
another ten set of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.

(02:26:16):
Thank you so much, Melli and Tapio farms through in
five says, if we don't secure power, we will be
ruled by our enemies. Fair enough, Jose, thank you so much,
brother for hopping on and again, of course, man always
always enjoy your insights and your perspective on things. God

(02:26:37):
bless you and your family. Major thank you to Father, Deacon,
doctor and Aias Bla and doctor Michael Moler for stopping
in today. And I'll see you guys in the next one.
I don't really have much to say in closing, but
I truly, truly appreciate all the support. Guys. Keep the
Kirk family and the soul of Charlie Kirk in your prayers.

(02:26:58):
We know he's not Orthodox, we know we had different
of opinions, but you know it's not gonna not gonna
hurt your salvation to pray for the soul of somebody
who lost their life to obviously evil in our country
and and the spiritual war that's underway and presented presenting
itself in physical forms. So God bless all you, God

(02:27:19):
bless your families. I hope everybody stay safe and I'll
see you guys in the next one. As always, until then,
God bless

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