Open Panel: Has the Trump Israel-Gaza Peace Deal Already Failed?

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
The hell. All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This
is doctor David Patrick Carey with Church of the Eternal Logos,
and today we have an open panel, and of course

(00:26):
I'm joined by my friend, colleague and scholar O is
a Mcwell. How you doing today? Brother?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Doing them?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Well?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
How about yourself?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm doing good. Appreciate you being able to join us
today today in the link for anybody who wants to
join the open panel, it is available in the video
description here on YouTube, and I'm going to post that.
I'll actually post that in the comments section right now,
so or chat anybody who wants to join. We're gonna
be diving into Trump's peace deal, the Middle Eastern peace

(00:57):
deal between Israel Gaza. Hims are being broken between Israel
Iran and whether it's already failed or if maybe by
a miracle, some people believe that it's going to be successful,
I would assume. Actually Jose and I have not discussed
this yet, so I actually do not know his personal
opinions on things moving forward. But for anybody who isn't aware,

(01:23):
a few things have already occurred since the deal was signed,
and I'm going to show you guys that and then
we're going to begin Jose and I are going to
begin chatting about it. But immediately following the supposed massive
peace deal that occurred in Israel. Interestingly enough, as I

(01:44):
have right here, Israel was not one of the signers
of the peace deal, which has raised a lot of
conspiracy theories and speculation. But upon signing this, which we
were told was between Israel and Hamas, Israel then began
bombing after a bulldozer hit one of their own minds,

(02:05):
and they claimed that this was an attack by Hamas
and basically started up started up their attacks. And not
only that, they also bombed eastern Lebanon and killed one
person injured ten all within this period. So certainly not

(02:25):
off to a great start. But here's just a few
articles that you can see within the last week. This
is a week ago from today. It's taken only twenty
four hours, but Trump's fairy tale of peace in the
Middle East seems doomed. White House works to preserve Gaza
deal amid concerns about Net and Yahoo. And this is
actually from today. This is a New York Time or

(02:46):
two days ago New York Times. Jd Vance is in
Israel today to apparently speak with Prime Minister Benjamin Net
and Yahoo in what is believed to be an attempt
to push him away from his desire to continue his
assault on Gaza in the name of fighting Hamas killing

(03:07):
obviously innocent children, innocent people in general. Here's another article
al Jazeera, So it could be a little bit slanted,
but this was the one that just kind of covered
a lot of Western news outlets were not covering Israel's
attack in Lebanon, So I was just bringing that up
to show it did occur. It was all over x

(03:27):
and then wit coffin Kushner. This was also two days
ago meets with Net and Yahoo in Israel as clashes
test Trump's Gaza peace deal. And if you've been following
things online, let's see I had I had something that
I wanted to show from Matt Gates. Actually, Matt Gates

(03:51):
has been very outspoken regarding some of the things going
on as of late, and he highlighted that Net Yahoo
was actively sabotaging these peace efforts and that Trump has
now sort of gotten wind of this. And maybe again
we've speculated this in previous streams before that maybe Net,

(04:14):
Yahoo and Trump's relationship is soured. I find that highly unlikely.
But here's Matt Gates. He says BB is now actively
sabotaging Trump's peace deal, and Trump knows it, and he
was talking about soon after the explosion in Rafa. I'm
told by sources mar the White House in Pentagon knew

(04:34):
that the incident was caused by his Israeli settler bulldozer,
again running over Israeli minds. So what does all this mean? Well,
certainly not optimistic like the Trump administration has been pushing.
And here's another one. This is today Israel Gaza Live updates.
Vans arrives at net Nahu's office after calling for patients

(04:57):
over hostage return. We're not going to play in these videos.
But something that both Steve Bannon and our friend Alex
Jones has been discussing is that this whole dialectic seems
to be a bit off because we know for a
fact that Netanyahu and Masad have actually funded parts of Hamas,

(05:21):
and we're instrumental in making them the sort of political
representation of the Gazen people or really the Palestinians, both
the West Bank and Gaza, in an effort so that
they'll never have to stop fighting because they've basically basically
created their own terrorist group that they then control in finance,
very similar to the CIA. So with all that being said,

(05:41):
I think the table's kind of set now where we
can discuss this attempted or supposed peace deal that Trump
was upset he wasn't nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Jose I apologize for that long winded introduction regarding the topic.
With all that being said, what are your thoughts on

(06:02):
what's going on with the Trump administration and this Israel
God's a peace deal?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, it's called for me. What's interesting is the financial
aspect because I know in the lead up to the ceasefire,
what's it called? I know the Kushner family and you
know Trump's one of is his daughter of Vanka, who
married one of the Kuchener's, right, Yeah, So they received
like one and a half billion dollars from Qatar. So
it's you know, Qatar was the vehicle by which America

(06:29):
used to directly financially support a moss As and what
do you call it? Also, you know Israel it self
used guitar as well, So it's interesting that Qatar money
flowed into the Kuchener coffins. Before this current ceasefire, I
know that the the what you call Israeli National Security
minister explicitly said on the live interview that the whole

(06:49):
purpose of the ceasefire is just to get the hostages
back then they can resume hostilities, which why he decided
to say that publicly. I have no clue, but he's
obviously not expecting to get much blowback from it in
terms of like predictions. I don't expect Israel to keep
it because they're you know again, the Leecuid Party in particular,
is highly dedicated to the greater Israel project, and they

(07:10):
themselves are enslaved, you know what do you call it?
And then yeah, who's not. He's not the actual man
who's making decisions. He is very much so he has
his own oligarchs that he has to you know what
do you call it? Respond to? And ironically, his entire
political career was established by the Adelson family, by Sheldon
and Miriam Aidelson, which I also find me interesting because
it was the Adolson support that was thrown for that

(07:32):
that was given to Trump in twenty twenty four, which
allowed Trump to be able to win without fraud like
you did and or like with what happened in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So that's the h Did you see the video too
during the peace deal that Mariam Aidolson, the wife of
Sheldon who has passed away, gleefully, gleefully excited about this
whole thing, and he was talking as if like this
was made possible by them. Of course, we know that
she was the largest donator to the Trump campaign, same

(08:02):
with the twenty sixteen, but that was her husband at
the time. And many people have speculated that they have
a stranglehold over this administration one way or another, and
they are, I mean by far. And even Trump joked
about it in the speech that even though they're American Jews,
they're more pro Israel than they are America, which for

(08:23):
some reason he thought was funny exactly, So.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's what you call it. So it's interesting to me
in terms of, you know, all the money that's changing
hands and where stuff is flowing to, and just how
much in bed DC and Tel Aviv, frankly are and
also how people usually tend to think of it, at
least on the more right wing circles or whatever you
want to call it, not moderate right circles. People tend
to think of it as you know, they look at
the Israeli influence within within the US governments. But the

(08:50):
reality is that the same oligarchs which influence the same
as ironically, the same oligarchs of the particular tribe that
have the wheel tremendous in bluence over the US government
do the same thing within Israel. And so like you know,
I've actually talked with Israelis who will actually complain about
Jewish oligarchs from the United States who are essentially forcing

(09:12):
Israel to behave in a manner that's completely and totally
self destructive. So the fact is it's the same, the
same oligarchical money and interests interest behind both governments. And
that's why, you know, frankly, when I look at when
I look at Israel, I really don't see how it's
not going to avoid a civil war. You have a
lot of people who are fleeing the country rapidly. It's
economies freezing up. I know people who have explicitly left

(09:35):
Israel because they don't want to be called up deserving
the IDF and Israel does not have. They don't have
the stomach to stomach. What do you call it losses, like,
for example, the way that the Ukrainian military has experienced
over the last three years, or for that matter, even
the levels that Russia has experienced. Israel has always been
in the words of you know, General Mushi as well

(09:56):
as Martin van Krebel, who's probably the greatest strategic that
Israel's produced. You know, both of them explicitly said that,
you know, the main reason why Israel militarily has done
well in the past is because they were fighting Arabs.
And then two, the israelly military is very much a
flash in the pan like there there made it's df
is designed to hit super hard and if and it,

(10:16):
but they don't have the ability to sustain combat. They
cannot what do you call it? Yeah, they cannot project
force continually over over a matter of years. And even
they even came out that the IDEAF actually told like
the IDEF hads told Net and Yahoo just like four
months in that Yeah, there was no way they're going
to be able to defeat a moss at that point.
And so that was where the decision was made to

(10:39):
clear as much land of the civilian population as you can.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, And did you see the video of the American
journalist that was set up by the IDF. No I
didn't not so over in the West Bank, and this
is true for Nazareth and various important Christian trongholds that
were still left and some of the Holy Land. Of course,
they're forcing these people to flee, they're causing violence. Then

(11:06):
they have a bunch of actually New York Jews taking
their spot. And so apparently there's this network that has
been kind of tied with this piece the larger This
is a specific incident in which an American journalist was
lured by the IDF into an ambush by these settlers,
and so some of them Israeli. But apparently there's a
network where they will contact Jews that are on waiting lists,

(11:29):
specifically in America and predominantly in New York around New
York City, and then they will fly over to Israel
and they will be part of a large group of
people that will then go and essentially occupy, continue the occupation.
And they did this with a Christian village. And this
is all going on in the West Bank, and so

(11:50):
apparently within the last year they've taken a significant swath
of homes in the region through this methodology. So anyways,
it's very interesting sing and it's so bold that when
the US Ambassador to Israel, Huckabee was told brought this up,
he was said that if essentially I'm paraphrasing here, but

(12:12):
the way that I read it on X was this,
you know, they were provoking the Israelis or something, and
that the US is not going to support people that
are fighting against the Israeli citizenry and something like that.
And so essentially, don't seek help from the US embassy
and Israel if you're part of these actions. So no response,

(12:35):
no aid from the US. Regarding the American journalists, of course,
we know American journalists were killed within the last year
in that region.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
So and it's part of the strategic strategic thought of Israel.
I mean in this case, like for example, like twenty nineteen,
in the words of Netnyahu himself, he said, anyone who
wants to afford the establishment of a Palestinian state has
to support bolstering hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This
is part of our strategy to isolate the Palestinians in
Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank. So that

(13:05):
is why Yasir Arafat had to go because you had
the possibility of a viable Palestinian states, which would prevent
Israel from achieving its own security and national goals. And
the fact is the conflict for currently happening in Gaza
is very much a cover for finishing off the West Bank,
the West Bank, of course, being a much much larger
piece of territory that Israel wants to grab than just

(13:25):
the Gaza strip.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right Rasco, Welcome brother, Good to see you, my man.
What are your thoughts on the topic.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Well, you know, I think that Israel will intentionally poison
pill any attempt to have a two state solution or
to have any lasting piece. Yep, We've had several Israeli
Prime ministers in the past allude to what's known as
mowing the grass. Right enough, Talie Bennett, he's actually you

(13:55):
mentioned this in this speech. He was a prior Israeli
Prime minister about this idea of always needing to be
on the offensive, always needing to degrade the Palestinian infrastructure
as a sort of tactic to wear them down over time.
And so I highly doubt that any any lasting piece
will occur. I mean, if a peace plan is made

(14:19):
I mean, there's no there's no real guaranteed future even
for the Palestinians to have any any kind of life
like what Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula might have. Right
where these more richer Gold states they can they can
afford a certain lifestyle. These people will never have that,
and the Israelis want to keep them in perpetual poverty

(14:41):
because they know it will lead to the same sort
of amavs terroristic lashing out, which then gives them pretext
to further make territorial expansions.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
Right, It's just part of their plan.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
There's there's really nothing that Trump or any other president
I can do about it, and they never have been
able to do anything about it because, just like in
the Camp David and the Oslo Cords, Israel continually poison
pills these agreements.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
They will slip things in there, like you can't.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
We have to manage your police force for you. You're
not allowed this certain neighborhood in East Jerusalem where it's
primarily Arab demographics. We're not going to let you govern
a massive segment of a land that we agreed in
prior agreements that you were supposed to have. And so
when the Arabs come back to the table, like Palestinians
when they come back to the table and say, well, no,

(15:35):
we need to parse this out and negotiate for a
better deal. Because you guys made promises that you're not
keeping with. Well, then it's perceived as okay, well, these
people are stonewalling the agreement, and then the Palestinian populist
gets pissed off, and then they start maybe doing some
I don't know, bad optics, things like killing. Maybe they
lash out on Israel. Sure, I mean someone say rightly so,

(16:00):
so it gives them then pretext to attack them, like
what happened with Aerofat's negotiations. How it led to the
Fatos where the Palestinians lash out because of the blatant is.
Really it's basically an insult.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
The kind of stuff well, and it's a tactic of
the intelligence, the false dialectic. I mean, we've done this
with Isis, we did this with al Qaeda. The CIA
was instrumental in both of those organizations. And then that
we've used them and propped them up. I mean, even
Tucker's recent nine to eleven series. I don't know if
you guys have been following those videos that he's posted,
the five part series on nine to eleven. I mean,

(16:40):
it conclusively shows that the nine to eleven report was
totally fabricated. That both definitely the CIA, some in the FBI,
but there was an intentional effort by the CIA to
withhold information from the FBI that they knew that these
terrorists were in the country for up to a year.
They knew where they live, they knew where they were

(17:01):
taking pilot lessons, and they knew this whole the coordinated
plan that was underway. And so you then create the
dialectic right, and that's exactly what net Yahoo and Israel
has done with Hamas. And that's where I agree with you.
It's not just a poisoning of the well from preventing

(17:23):
a potential peace agreement. They've already concocted a framework that
nullifies any potential peace negotiation moving forward because they've already
inserted the quote unquote terrorist organization. Of course, you can't
negotiate with terrorists if you're a good Western democracy. So
to me, this is just as just all a major facade,

(17:45):
I think. And the ironic thing that you know Israel
continued attacks. I think it has to do with the
optics of Israel and that the sentiments. I mean, it's
just so mainstream now you watch it. You can't watch
a Pierce Morgan, you know, hot panel without three fourths
of the panel being like, yeah, Israel is pretty bad. Like,
you know, what they're doing is a little just over

(18:06):
the top. We already know the generational difference between the
West Europe, you know, to give them credit, where sometimes
we're very critical of Europe. At least Europe, both the
boomers and the youngers are already anti Israel or anti Zionist,
I should say, uh, but here in America definitely millennials
in gen z So I think Israel is an incredibly

(18:29):
tough place and all the actions they keep doing make
it worse. And I you know, I think there's a
lot of there's a spiritual warfare that's happening underneath the
surface regarding all this stuff. But it's just amazing the
ineptitude the propaganda. Seven thousand dollars posts by influencers, it's

(18:49):
all so obvious, and it's just it's just amazing that
some with with the level of power and influence they have,
how pathetic the propagan and in the efforts where their
public reputation are right now. Yeah, I thought on that.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
It's just funny watching optics hitting real life, and that
that what do you call it? You had this interesting
heated discussion between I think it was the Chinese representative
to the U n UH and the Israeli talking back
and forward to each other, and the Chinaman is just
saying to him, we don't care.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
So I didn't see this. When was this?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
It was That's the only thing I've actually seen video wise.
I mostly just read what Yeah Tho was one of
the Chinese officials that these is reeally diplomatic or israelly ambassador?
I think it was to the UN was trying to
shame the Chinese guy over something in the China, and
the chinaman from who was the representative of the CBC said,
we don't care, like this is what you're doing, and
I don't care whether or not you're going to contract,

(19:51):
you know, contradict me or not. And essentially, you know,
your word magic only works on Americans, It's not going
to work on me. So there it's fun. It's it's
just the tactical position of let's say the the you know,
the tactical position of Visrael or the street strategic position
of Israel. It's over as a state. Like frankly, I
don't I don't see any way that it's gonna still

(20:12):
exist in twenty years. It's intentionally been hostile to all
of its neighbors, and it doesn't even have sufficient depth
or you know, you know, what do you call strategic
depth of its own to defend itself. Right once the
US is gone, it has they have they have no
outside support whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Well, you know, they just they just sort of keep
digging themselves a whole. I mean, I remember watching this
one segment from a Fluento's It's just like, uh, no
matter what they say, they can never win anything, any
rhetorical battle ever. Every every single thing that their public
relations guys say, you know, whether it be on Twitter

(20:53):
or whether it beyond the sort of Pears mortgage style interviews,
this sort of almost blood sports debates, I'd say, it's
just like it just digs them a deeper and deeper hole.
They can't seem to really gain a rhetorical grasp on anything.
These sort of old magical words like Nazi, racist, it
just doesn't it doesn't hit the same people are sort

(21:14):
of way to the issues.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I guess you could say, well, I'm curious what your
guys' thoughts are. You brought up magic and more in
a you know, an analogy type framework, but I mean
quite literally. You know. I recently posted a clip video
from a previous stream I did, and there was an
article that was floating around as a substack article on

(21:36):
the rise of Satanism in Moloch worship in Israel. And
reading that article, he highlights that these essentially like burning
Man type festivals that we have here in America, they
have very similar festivals. The only caveat is that it's
very in vogue to participate in what is deemed as

(21:59):
like these ancient rituals of these ancient gods and so like.
In the article, it showed a guy kind of at
a burning man, but he's dressed up as a what
he believed to be what a priest for Moloch would
look like and bail worship, and that Satanism. According to
the article that per square foot, there is more Satanists

(22:20):
in the country of Israel than anywhere else in the world.
And if that's true, and if that is the case allegedly,
what I find interesting is then the continuation of the
history of human sacrifice. And I don't mean that everybody
in Israel, both prolocute or net Yahoo or against him,

(22:42):
are you know, consciously participating in some occult ritual. But
if those spirits are already present in that territory and
they're inhabiting people that are then promoting it and elevating
that type of spirituality, I think a real case could
be made that, you know, it is a sort of

(23:03):
ritualistic cleansing that's happening to the Palestinian people and the
killing of children, the the lack of attempt to prevent
civilian casualties makes it seem like sacrificing the innocent, which
is the purpose of a human sacrifice, in the occultic

(23:25):
sense that this is tied to it that you know
from as us Orthodox Christians. You know, whatever Messiah they're
hoping to come and create world peace through the building
of the Third Temple and the Greater Israel project, you know,
that's our Antichrist. And so I'm with jose where I
just don't see where they have a future. But at

(23:47):
the same time, I find it difficult to envision a
world in which Israel doesn't exist because it seems like
we're at least in the eschological time, it seems like
we're moving in that direction. But I'm with both of
you guys. It's like, I don't like, how how do
they persist in you know, two decades. It's just, yeah,

(24:11):
I just know that.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Well, as you mentioned, you have Jews from New York
who are going to the West Bank to settle. You
also have Israeli Jews who are fleeing back to New
York and are working on settling upstate New York. So
that's uh. And now the ark are counties that are
turning majority Jewish and it's interesting watching you can look.
I'm going to watch a few, but there are videos
of when they take over the local school boards, et cetera,

(24:34):
like things get wild. So it's uh yeah. And the
rise of Moloch worship, I find it me interesting just
because I was going down the Punic theory of the
origins of modern Jews, because when when the Temple was destroyed,
the highest concentration of Jews within the Roman Empire was
on the northern Libyan coast as well as in southern Spain,
and those are two like centers of the Carthaginian Empire.

(24:58):
And then there's the issue of moloch Meani in the
Canaanite language, the Punic language, which is a Canaanite language,
it means sacrifice, right, which is associated with child sacrifice.
And you know that that's you know, sacrifice that was
given to you know, Vall and his consorts, and it
in in the Carthaginian religion. Frankly, a lot of things
in like things that I knew knew from the Talmud

(25:18):
didn't make sense until I looked at the Carthaginian religion.
So it's uh, anyway to me, just lends credence to
the Canaanite the yeah or Canaanite theory of the origin
of those who currently call themselves Jews.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
And I know the genetics now actually are showing backing
that up, which I find it be interesting that over
fifty percent, so for most Jewish populations, over fifty percent
of their DNA is Canaanite in origin. So it's there
was even a like Times of Viserbe even ran an
article by one Persian Jew who was talking about how
he was surprised when he did his genetic testing and
it came back like essentially almost one hundred percent Canaanite

(25:54):
actually not actually Jewish, so interesting, you know, I don't
know that.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
By the way, if you don't mind me asking which
diaspora would.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
That be, so Astanazis party, Okay, do.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
You think that could be because like the Israelites did
mix in with Canaanise, like they have a very similar
genetic composition.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Do you think that's possible, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
There's definitely ad mixture. But like, I mean, if you
compare that to like, for example, like a Palestinians, like
you know, eighty seven percent of Palestinian DNA originates from Hebrews,
So it's in that sense, what do you call it?
The your average Palestinian is more hebrew than your average
self proclaimed too.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
Well, the academics will say that it's actually like eighty
seven percent Canaanite, so they'd say that the Hebrews would
be part of that sort of ethno linguistic family tree, right.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, No, there are people who try to tie the
two together. The thing is that you can differentiate between
like like politics, so I know, like, what do you
call it? So, I mean, this is before before genetics,
gene x was the thing. But I know, like, what's
his name, David ben Gurian, he was pushing back in
the twenties, tens, and yeah, back in the nineteen twenties
and nineteen thirties that the we just they just need

(27:05):
to get Palestinians to recognize that they were in fact Jews,
so that way then they could just integrate them into
the Greater Israel project directly. That was his original intense.
Of course, as follows to, they have given up on that,
But yeah, I mean the people who try to confuse
the two, but they are definitely you know, what do
you call it like, they were definitely at the point
where they can tell when a town is Hebrew versus

(27:26):
if you're looking at Iron Age towns, they can tell
when it's a Hebrew town versus a Canaanite town within
within within Palestine.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, what I was gonna mention too, with the genetic
testing in Israel is I don't know where you guys stand,
but I'm certainly someone who finds the thirteenth Tribe theory
by Arthur Kessler very compelling the kazariin theory for Oshkenazi identity,

(27:54):
and so from what I understand, it's actually very difficult
to have like a nonstinct state sanctioned genetic test in Israel.
So again I don't know what that means, but I'm
just i'd be curious because if they do have a
genetic test that even the Times of Israel Heretz has said,
identify as the majority of Israeli citizens as maybe not

(28:17):
fully Jewish or Israeli however you want to define that,
I'd find that very interesting because from from my understanding,
like that book the Thirteenth Tribe is banned and certain
genetic testing is banned in Israel potentially for that reason.
But that's a it's kind of a conspiracy theory because
we can't really test it.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yep. That's why for me, it's like I look at, well,
what is what is this? What is the state propaganda
that Israel puts out? What is the but also looking
for parallels in terms of religious like religious worship and
practice and behavior. Right, that's music kings compelling. That's why
I mean at this point I do lean a bit
towards the punic theory. Yeah, I know ron Uns wrote
a very long thing on it recently, I think last

(29:03):
week that I read and he was summing it up.
A lot of the stuff in one place, and now
I have a bunch of books that I need to
get my hands on at some points so that I
can dive down that myself. It'sually enough. He was only
citing books that are coming out of you know, professors
from the universities in Israel.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Right, well, Emmanuel said Magic Mormon Undy's raid. Well, I'm
I welcome all the Joseph Jim Bob Smith worshippers. So
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to believe Trump's deal will last, But who is anyone kidding?
There will never be Piece and a land adjacent to Islam.

(30:51):
Islam and Piece are antithetical and cannot exist. At the
same time, I wanted to highlight this comment because I
wanted to shift kind of the conversation about you. What
are your guys' thoughts regarding the region, specifically concerning the
Islamic States. One of the things the major photo from

(31:11):
the Trump peace deal, if you guys saw, was like
him with the Arab leaders in Egypt, and from my understanding,
one of the underlying agreements of why the Arab world
was supportive was because Trump was going to sanction is
Iran excuse me, and that some of the OPEC nations

(31:34):
and the oil countries that they're in favor of this
potential possibility, and that they view Iran as a rival
power in the region. And so the way that Trump
was able to sort of leverage his influence and power
so that the Arab nations would join in this quote
unquote peace deal was essentially reidentify Iran as the regional
major threat and that the US would act on behalf

(31:57):
of those Arab nations. Did you guys see that? What
are you guys's thoughts regarding Islam currently in the region,
regarding the speed peace deal or moving forward? What are
your guys' thoughts.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
In terms of historical note? I mean, if one defining
peace is an absence of war, then Iran Russia we're
peaceful with each other for two hundred years until Peter
the Great decided to invade Iran. So it's what do
you call it? I mean, there there's is loam in
the religion itself, there's no there's no peace as in,
you know, the sense of peace, like you know, Christ
being the Prince of peace. But the idea that one

(32:30):
cannot have a peaceful border with in Islamic nation is
just completely false. And there are plenty of cases where
you had, you know, for example, Russia, an Orthodox nation
that had a peaceful border within Islamic neighbor. It is
possible and doable. However, I'll point out that typically how
it works is like, for example, in the Byzantium experience,

(32:51):
when the she are on the down low and or
or you know, on the weaker spot, and the soon
you're in the stronger spot, you support your Shia neighbors
to go fight the Sunni and vice versa. So that's
how Byzantia managed to survive for centuries. And unfortunately for Brazantium,
it was the Crusaders that messed up that calculation. These
calculations because the the Fatamids in particular were in the
weaker spot and the Crusaders went all hog on the Fatamids,

(33:14):
would be the end result being what's his name Saladin
subnewing all of Egypt and Cement and essentially turning Egypt
into a sunny powerhouse. So with the entirety of the
Levant and Egypt, he essentially guaranteed that the uh, the
days of the Roman, the Christian Roman Empire were numbered,
and that the Crusader states were not going to have
any chance of having any long term survival. So that's

(33:38):
the thing to take into account. What do you call it? Yeah,
so it's just, you know, geopolitics gets interesting. Like the
fact is, the reality is, if you're the commander of
if you're a ruler of a state, you got to
figure out how to live next door to your neighbor.
And that's just true for everyone. Like take for example,
like the United States and Canada. Canada is just going
to be America's hat because if Canada is not, then

(33:58):
America is just gonna whip Canada. And the fact is, ironically,
the Canadian American relations you've had America's invaded Canada twice.
So technically a run in Russia had a more peaceful
relationship in Canada and the United States on an annualized basis.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Rolsch Who you got thoughts, brother.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely possible to have
some degree of peace with the Sunni Islamic countries like
Egypt and Jordan, right. I mean, you've been able to
pay off those countries for a pretty long time. As
long as you paid tribute to the to the Caliphate,
they won't raise your ships. It's kind of like a
triple leaf situation where you pay them off, you pay

(34:40):
off the tribute, they leave you alone, at least somewhat
until they decide not to.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
The other option is you can always do the Spanish solution,
like with Morocco, where you just sent in the ships
and you level their ports until they decide agree to
stop pirting.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Robert, Robert Rogers, why don't you you joined the stream, bro,
If we're looking for disagreement here, If anybody is really
optimistic about Trump, or you think we were way off
on Israel or Islam, you think Jose simpon for Islam,
join We'd love to hash it out. That's the point
of the open panel. This isn't just people that agree

(35:17):
with us. If anybody disagrees, you think we're totally way off,
you think it Israel has got the upper hand, or
you think Islam for whatever reason, whatever side you're on,
join the stream. That's the point yep.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Now, the fact is, in terms of history, like if
you're looking at per capita annualized basis of war mongering
or going on offensive wars, the most war mongering people
on the planet are hands down the Mongols, and number
two are Americans. America has been in an offensive war
for all but sixteen years of its existence as a state, right.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I mean regarding Islam, I might have sympathy for the
Palestinians and the historical context, but this whole dialectic that
part of the Israeli Probaganda is trying to push is
that if you if you are supportive of the Palestinians,
that you must be supportive of Islam. I mean, I

(36:16):
think Islam is a major threat to our civilization. I
don't know if you you know, I guess When I
say civilization, I don't mean in I'm super in defense
of like Western Enlightenment values or something, but just whatever's
left and intact of the Western project and just for
stability's sake and raising a family, I'm in favor of that.

(36:38):
Whether I agree with you know, the Masonic foundations of
America or not. But the call to prayer in dearborn
Michigan some of the stuff that there there's openly saying
here in the United States and specifically in Texas and Michigan.
You know, one of the things that pissed me off
was that yesterday was Dwali and I had like a

(36:59):
hand full of houses around where I'm living, and they're
all fight shooting off fireworks a like past eleven o'clock
at night. It uh. And so anyways, point being is
I do see Islam as a major threat and I
I am no fan of Islam. I find it and

(37:21):
I'm very aware of Islamic history. I'm aware of, you know,
the the great poets and the medieval period and of
Persia and and some of the high points of their
history and even philosophy and their contribution through the world.
But Islam at large, I don't want it. I don't
want anything to do with it. I don't want it
around me. I don't want around my children. And so

(37:43):
this uh. And the same thing is true with Zionism.
And the question is which one's a greater threat to
America right now or an American right now? I would
say it's Zionism, but that does not mean that we're
in favor of Islam. We're supportive of it in.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Any way, I think Islam is a much bigger threat
in Europe than it is America. A lot of these yes,
we'll sort of project out onto Americans, people in a
North America in general, as if it's a bigger, big
enough issue for us to really acknowledge. But yeah, I
mean I still do think that it is possible to
achieve peace with Muslim countries. The solution is, I think

(38:22):
to advocate for or for Western the Western Alliance, to
advocate for sort of secular pan Arabism. That would be Ah,
that would be a solution. I mean, you could enrich
these countries, make.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Them they're not already rich, you can.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
I mean their fertility rates are going down. Iran is
bell low replacement.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Is that a bad thing? I mean the they celebrate
the birth rates of Europe, they talk openly within Europe
about conquering it.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
I'm talking about like like, uh, like Middle Eastern countries.
If you enrich them enough, their fertility rates will go down.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Like that's okay, Sorry, I misunderstand the art you're saying
to make them essentially that theory that first world nations
always drop in under replacement.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
I mean there's like some maybe we could come up
with some novel invention to make it so that that's
not the case that first full countries decrease in population.
But like generally speaking, once a country gets rich, I mean,
it secularizes, the fertility rates go down. That's what's happening
in Iran, like the really establishment, A lot of the
people in that country don't like them, and they have
like a one point six fertility rate. It's like any

(39:28):
other European country. Maybe just lower quality of life overall,
but it's still secularizing. I mean, I don't see why
that can't be done across the entire the entire Middle East,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
So the thing you take to account too, though, is
so like us or the angle of American Empires, the
hole has always had a habit of playing both sides.
So in the case of Iran, when the birth rates
started dropping, it was after the Iototal came to power,
you know, in the Iranian Revolution. What most people don't
realize is that, well, yes, the show was in bed
with the Americans. In the British Aetola was also in

(39:59):
bed with the the British as well, and one of
the things that the Britain pushed the Iotola force because
the Aetola was actually down for reducing the aver family
size in Iran. So when he came to power, he
essentially thought was we're pushing birth control, et cetera on
the Iranian population. And that's where a Minutajad er Minajad,
having pronounced his name, that president who got assassinated a

(40:21):
recent not too recently, but he was assassinated a few
months ago. He becomes interesting because when he rose to power,
part of why he was so hated in the West
and why he got sanctioned was because he actually opposed
the use of birth control, was opposed to the anti
family policies of the Ayahtola, so he was trying to
reverse that and undo that. And Iran actually had a
two child policy, which was a British idea, similar to

(40:44):
how Mao's one one child policy was a Rockefeller idea
that he was essentially forced on. That mal forced into
China and Iotola forced onto Iran. Minujad actually broke that
he had more than two kids, and that's why two
of his sons were assassinated alongside him. It was essentially
a spiting of the the West essentially spighting or Israel
spighting him and for going against what they were trying

(41:04):
to do. So I know, like his attempts to try
to reverse the the birth collapse in Iran has failed.
And frankly, like the Chief it it's not so much
like the wealth is the issue. Like the chief vectors,
it's feminism and person. There's a study that Russia did
that shows that in terms of socio economic factors, the
thing that matters the most is the expected the average

(41:26):
expected amount of time a young person is expected to
be in education. So for your average man, whenever he's
expected to be done with his education, it takes him
two to three years to be able to establish himself
where he can afford to get married. For your average woman,
it takes about two to three years after however long
she's expected to be in school for her to find
the guy that she's going to settle down and have
a family with. So once you have a average essentially,

(41:50):
once you have a mean time to you know, finish
education that is greater than ten years, you're doomed to
go below replacements. So that's why, for example, right now,
the Russian government is looking at actually essentially trying to
rework how education works in Russia, where you know, a
make sure that you don't have, you know, eliminate expectations
that women should be going to college and also be

(42:12):
looking at going from twelve grades of a grade school
to ten grades because that would actually get them to
being above replacements for most women. And then you'd have
the tiny faction of you know, super fertile Orthodox women
who have like, you know, ten kids, and that will
restore Russia's demographics. So that's something I find to be

(42:32):
very interesting. The most effective thing for reducing population growth
isn't actually even making people wealthy, because you can do
the same with indebting them. The most effective thing is
just increasing the amount of time a woman spends in school.
That's why, like, if a woman goes to college, the
odds of her dying childless skyrocket by like fifty seven percent.
And you know, if you throw in a master's degree

(42:53):
or a PhD on top of that, it just skyrockets
even high. And this work gets interesting where like education,
like higher education is actually more effective birth control than
the birth control pill, because people tend to mess up
with the birth control pill, and you know, a kid happens,
Whereas you know, college for population control purposes, investing in
or pushing women into into longer and larger, longer education

(43:15):
spans is the best guarantee you can get to reduce
the number of new births.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
No, I think that's a that's a really sensitive topic.
But something I saw an article that was talking about
that statistical correlation with female education, feminism, birth rates, all
these different things, relationships, and it goes exactly to your point,

(43:39):
which again is kind of a sensitive topic. I mean,
it's not that we don't want women or our daughters,
our wives to be smart and educated, but the system itself,
you know, I don't know, it just the whole thing
produces the antidote to successful civilization and women, you know,

(44:02):
taking on this sort of you know, whatever wave of
feminists you want to describe some of them, but I
don't know, it's it's it's pretty pathetic. Ivan. Thanks for joining, brother.
What are your thoughts on everything?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Well, I kind of agree with Roscoe in terms of
like the strategy of those At the same time, I
think I'm more on your side in terms of thinking
that for some reason Israel still prop along and it
has a lot of influence, especially among the boomers. So
it's like, okay, we can we can sense that there's

(44:35):
a BIB shift and that the summers like no longer
shift for Israel as much. But the reality is that,
like you've got politicians like Ted Cruz going like on
on on like long time rates about how like America
is supporting Israel because like it's America's interested to do so,

(44:57):
and you have like four auditorium so people like clap
and crying when he's saying these things. You have people like,
for example, I don't know, James Lindsay, who has half
a million followers on Twitter like going and kissing and
kissing the wall. It's like but at.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
The comments though, I mean I get that there's people
that are part of the establishment, but the energy isn't
on their side. I mean, just go on the comments
sec even on Instagram. It's not just X. You know,
people say X is an echo chamber. Look on Facebook,
look on an Instagram, look on a YouTube video. I mean,
it's everywhere. I mean it's like, I don't know how

(45:37):
they recover. So I don't see, you know, there's gonna
be a bunch more. I'm sure that the system will try,
but I don't see the appeal of a of a
Ted Cruz and his you know, absolute devotion to Israel
being a thing moving forward. I just don't think those candidates.
I'm sure there will be something and what I think

(45:58):
the movement will be, they'll try to hide their affiliation,
which is what's happening with Democrats right now. I mean,
just within the last week, you know, a handful of
major Democratic congress people and senators are are told by
very pro Palestinian leftists that we won't vote for a
candidate that have eight that supports by APAC. I mean,
Gavin Newsom was asked this by black Dude like a

(46:21):
week ago and always, oh, that's interesting, that's interesting. Yeah,
I never think about APAC. That's interesting. But you can
see that even the Democratic establishment, they're paid by the
same people that the Republicans are. So it just feels
like the cultural zeitgeist and energy, both right and left,
Israel will not be a major entity that is supported

(46:45):
by Americans in the next thirty forty years. It just
it just won't be.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, let's let's hope that that is true. I mean,
my hope is the same. I think however, that there
is a reason why, let's say the establishment keeps strupping
along as if nothing had changed, Like because you can
have an issue where I don't know, for example, seventy
percent of the population is against that issue, But is

(47:11):
it enough for that seventy percent to say, Okay, I'm
not going to vote for let's say Trump because I
don't know, I hate Israel or whatever so much, or
I hate the situation with geopolitical stuff right now that
I'm willing to forego maybe winning with this very strong

(47:33):
candidate instead of like just simply like saying, okay, this
is very peripheral to my interests right now. Like people
have priorities, and like I wish that people had such
principal stances, but I don't think they do, so like
it's up in the air for me.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I think people are become more principal. I think that
the economic context of the West, the lack of future
prospects for especially gen zers, they're forced to become more conscious.
I think that's what's going on with the white race
realism in America right now, is it's the generation that

(48:12):
has forced the most multidiversity. You know, DEI all this
different stuff that they've been They've been forced to become
hyper sensitive and self aware of their own racial identity,
which does the exact opposite to like creating some you know,
bland melting pot, which is what the goal is, because
in history, any group that is a minority maintains their

(48:34):
identity better than the majority group, because that's how you know,
that's just that that they create insular communities. I think
that's happening in America right now.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, I completely agree with you. At the same time,
I'm very scared of like people having like their bellies
a little bit too full, because when you have people
who hold institutional power and they can offer you money,
a career, whatever, there are a lot of people who
are gonna turn code. There are a lot of people
who are gonna, like say, be critical of Israel and
then moderate their speech, moderate their actions. And the question

(49:10):
is will the establishment be strong enough to entice those
people and to somehow quell the energy that is already
bobbling up, or is this, let's say, a real spiritual
awakening in regards to like the treacherous ness of these
people who are basically doing their best to subjugate European

(49:35):
people in terms of like not just European but like
European stock people. Because what I see right now, for example,
in Europe and I live here, I live in Madrid,
what I see is a lot of let's say, people
who want to voice their concerns about these things, but
at the same time, they have no outlet for it.
They have no outlet for it because they have no

(49:55):
power and because they have everything to lose. Yet, like
they young people, even though they might they might see
bleak prospects, at the same time, they want to participate
in a system, and the people who hold the keys
to participation in that system are still in bed with
these people. They're still in bed with this power structure.
So I don't know how it's going to turn out.

(50:16):
Hopefully something will change because we all see it. It's
the same thing with the immigration, Like who was the
first person to say that we should receive more Muslim immigrants.
It's the Jews.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Well that's what I've actually put this on Roscoe. I'll
have him respond to this, because he made the point
that he thought Islam was the greater threat, especially in
the European context, and it certainly is. I would grant
him that what I would pose then and get your
response on is which one's worst, the NGOs that flooded

(50:51):
Europe and America with the migrants or now, I guess
you could because I would agree with you in the
in today's circumstance in October twenty second, twenty twenty five,
Islam is the threat because it's already here, especially in
the European context. So it's like the immediate pragmatic threat
to English identity, German identity, French identity, Swedish identity. I

(51:17):
saw that in Sweden, aren't they like twenty percent? Now?
I mean I thought it was like a just I
was blown away by the percent of the Muslim population
in Sweden. It literally boggled my mind. And it's like
that is the immediate pragmatic thing. But it's the infrastructure

(51:38):
that we just talked about with APEC. It's the infrastructure
with the Jewish New York settlers in the West Bank.
It's the NGOs that are flooding First world nations in
an attempt to bring forth the prophecies right, the necessity
for the historical context for a new Messiah. And so
with all that said, ROSCA, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, I mean, uh, I live in I live in Canada,
and so you can talk about you can talk about
the whole Oh, what's what's bad? The sort of kippa
wearing NGOs, Sorry about the doorbell, the kippa wearing NGOs,
or the people who are already here. Now when you

(52:23):
look at parliament, like the MPs, you know, the members
of Parliament, they're forming political conclaves now of of like uh,
like Sikh's Indians. You know, these people are forming politic
like organic unities within the country itself. Jewish influence was

(52:47):
an organic unity and still continues to be. It's getting
sort of mitigated by the fact that these other political
organic unities are being formed. And so you know, you
can ask which is worse the people the people with
the funny hats opening the gates to Toledo, or the
or the people who are besieging the country and now
killing you guys, right, you know which is which is worse?

(53:11):
The people who you know aided the Sassinids and entering
Jerusalem and then ended up slaughtering Christian communities, or you know,
the people who are vastly outnumbering you and will politically
dominate you and oppress you for centuries to come, even
if you hypothetically get rid of the sort of Jewish element,
right Like, you know, I think the I think the

(53:34):
cards are sort of stacked up already.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
People.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
White people are slaves unfortunately of their own morality, and
they will continue being slaves to this boomer mentality, this
sort of MLK treat everyone by their character, not by
the color their skin or their ethnicity, which is ridiculous.
They will take that even to their grave. It's almost

(53:59):
like Christian martyrdom, Like these people are martyrs for cutting
their own heritage. And so you know, you can ask
which which organic unity is worse. I think there's a
parasitic mentality within the minds of white people to begin with.
It's a curse for ourselves, and that's really what's driving

(54:19):
the issues. You know, there is a you can look
this up Roman Romanian legionaire. We said, you get the
you get the bagels that you deserve, you know, so
we we've sort of we sort of get what we
deserve because we're a whymre, We're a why mare society.

(54:41):
I mean, is this is this not what we deserve?
Is God not sort of flooding us with foreigners like
it talks about in Deuteronomy and Macabels.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Because of absolutely I think it's biblical.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
It's sort of our own fault.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
We were supposed to be the chosen people the Church
of God, and we have and this is what we did,
this is what we get. It's exactly it's Jerusalem seventy eighty.
We are being besieged by foreigners, by Romans.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
What you're talking about right now is exactly what's going
through my mind. Yesterday with Dwally So, I saw the
video of like Trump lighting a candle for the Hindus
in America, and then as soon as evening began, the
sun wasn't even down, like fireworks kept going off, and
I didn't even connect it at first, but I'm like
over in major places. It was just all over the city,

(55:32):
and I'm on the south side of Indianapolis. And the
government because they pay off the states, so our lieutenant
governor wanted to He wants to bring in forty thousand Haitians,
and of course the population of Indiana doesn't want it
at all. It's a very homogeneous conservative state and the
people are to the right of Mike Pince. But Mike

(55:52):
Pince is kind of indicative. I mean, he's no longer
in politics, but he's representative. Like the Indiana GOP, like
just total total Rhino establishment, but they have a monopoly
on the state because most people are you know, lean red.
But are you know I've mentioned this in previous streams,
the total demographics of the areas. You know, the entire

(56:15):
entirety of Indianapolis is being changed, mostly by Indians. I mean,
they're bringing so many ins so quickly, it's like it's
just unbelievable. I mean, it's a nine day difference from
five years ago. It's just incredible. And yeah, to your point,
I mean, at this point, it doesn't matter who opened

(56:37):
the gates. It's that the gates have been open. We
got to get people out. And that's where I think
the deportation efforts, even though you know, I'm very much
in favor of mass deportations, but the numbers are so
damn low. I mean, I get the rhetoric and the
meaning of the Trump administration is doing online, but you
just compare the numbers. The only hopeful thing is that

(57:00):
at least if it's true, is what's being reported is
like two point one million have self deported. I find
that skeptical, but that's what is being reported through self deportations.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
If I may cham in on that, I think that
the problem is that the Boomers are representative of, let's say,
the Enlightenment project, and like we keep on wanting to
think that, let's say, because we may love let's say
our ancestors and we were called to do that, that
we have sort of like a common allegiance in terms

(57:41):
of what we are representing as an identity because let's
say we're the same race, or like we are in
the same nation or whatever. But the reality is, like,
if you're a Christian, like your your allegiance is to
the church first, and when you're looking at your own
you're looking at it in terms of like what is

(58:03):
orthodox about it? Right, So, like, right now my hope
is on Christian nationalism emerging, even if it's not like
a clean thing and the Orthodox voices that try to
caution against it. I have nothing against people I don't
know like father tubal polls or why I respect law,
or or even this English writer who speaks against let's

(58:24):
say Christian civilization in the sense of like let's pursue
Christ and let's put the culture or whatever on the
second on a second plane. Like I can agree with
all of those things, but at the same time, it's like,
at some point you have to accept that it's going
to be like a dirty it's going to politics is dirty,
that if you want to pursue justice, you cannot let's say,

(58:46):
try to be compassionate of your enemy in a way
that undermines that justice, And that implies that you're going
to be using ideologues who are probably let's say, not
ask Christian as you, or maybe not even Christian at all,
but going with a movement, and that they will in
fact make mistakes, and you're going to have to accept
that because what what is the lesser of two evils?

(59:07):
So from from my perspective, it's it's a moment that
we need to be maybe less reflective in the sense
of like over analyzing too much, and I'm more supportive
of whatever moves let's say, whatever moves the Overton window
over to our side, because like we were merely starting

(59:28):
to have let's say orthodoxy on the on the on
the discussion, we're merely starting to articulate, let's say, more
in depth sociological perspectives about how power functions, about how
Christians are supposed to even have a relationship with a state,
how the state is supposed to function, and and and
let's say curtailed evil and we're but we're just like,

(59:51):
do you know what the red I don't know how
you call it in English, the red circle? The red
circle is a very small minority of people who are
let's say, the intellectual elites. The red circle might be
let's say exploding right now, but the masses, like the
fifty percent people that you need to move even like

(01:00:12):
within a let's say democracy, Like there's still pretty much
Normans who are laughing at at Hitler means. So it's like, Okay,
it's good that they're having that conversation that they're able
to notice, Hey, there are people who are betraying us
and who don't want the best for us. But the
problem is we're not We're never going to be able

(01:00:32):
to make a coalition stick if we're not able to
let go of certain purisms that are like, oh no,
this is not orthodox enough, this is not Christine enough,
or whatever. It's like, at some point it's like I'd
rather embrace the anti Semite who has nothing in his head,
simply because like he's gonna be able to help me
get closer to a functional society. But maybe I'm mistaken

(01:00:55):
about it. I don't know what you guys said.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Did you guys see the statement of Stephen Miller. I
don't know if it was earlier this week or late
last week, but he said that they are prioritizing visa
applications for white Europeans fleeing Europe and white South Africans
that they apparently have the first position on visa application,

(01:01:17):
so they'll be selected out of people who apply. Did
you guys see this?

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
I saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah. So I think even though I'm very pessimistic about
immigration and the deportations that are going on in America,
I did find that, whether if it's just rhetoric or not,
I did find that a bit refreshing. But there's kind
of an elephant in the room that we need to

(01:01:48):
address here, and it has to do with Ivan. I
got bombarded last time we did an open panel and
you weren't here. Is that you apostatize from Orthodoxy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Oh that was very Briefly. I stopped going to church
for about a couple of weeks because I had like
personal issues in regard to my faith. It coincided with
a very visible debate, public debate that I did. I
went back to the church. I'm in good standing right now.
At the same time, it's like, I think it's a

(01:02:21):
danger when you're let's say, expressing publicly how you feel
about the faith, when you're visible or whatever. I hope
I didn't mislead anyone. I kicked up the video in
which I was let's say, in which I had that
debate on my channel, if anybody wants to see it.

(01:02:44):
It has a little bit of an unsavory feeling sometimes
because I'm very critical of, let's say, the more namby
Pamby side of parstantism and how Christianity as spects of
things it was related I think with I'm misunderstanding on

(01:03:06):
my part of theology besides my own like personal issues.
And I would say that in terms of how I'm
approaching the faith right now, it's more of a moral
aesthetic approach, beauty first approach, if you will, because I

(01:03:26):
honestly I lost all my rationalistic zeal. In terms of
like debates, I don't even think that formal debates are
They're useful obviously, but they're not able to, let's say,
give you certainty in an intellectual sense. So in that regard,
I think, like, if you have any other questions, like

(01:03:47):
I can answer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
No, I wasn't. I mean, I'm I'm satisfied. So it
sounds like you just kind of had a I mean,
you let the demons kind of take over getting into debates,
I mean things. That's why I don't encourage I think
people watch Andrew or Jay and a lot of people.

(01:04:09):
I'm not talking about you specifically, Ivan, but it sounds
like something similar occurred. But I've just seen so many
people get so caught up in the debate sphere when
they're really early in the faith, and it just causes problems.
It's like you almost have to get the training wheels
off and be in the church for a while. I'm
not saying this spec I don't know how long you've

(01:04:30):
been orthodox, Ivan, but I think once you're public and
you start talking about stuff. That's why I always tell people,
if you talk about like sins that you've conquered publicly,
I guarantee you're going to be attacked with whatever that
temptation is immediately, and you're going to struggle with it.
So you have to be really careful, like when you
speak publicly, whether the audience picks it up or not,

(01:04:52):
just spiritually, like there's forces at work that are real.
You know, I've dealt with them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
So yeah, fair enough enough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Anyways, Nutmeg Donkey throws in ten, says, hope you can
make your trip, Dph. Thank you very much. Yeah, I
want to get down to Debacon. Sounds like it's gonna
be a really fun time, so appreciate the support, Nutmeg.
God bless you and the family. All I know about
Islam is we must take retake Constantinople, and it's a

(01:05:26):
war crime. How ugly the Muslims have made Hagia Sophia.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
That is true, and Constantinople will be Orthodox again. Jack
throws in five. Looks like he's got a question for Jose. Jose,
how did you know back in two thousand and five
that politics will come down to being pro PDF versus
anti PDF.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
So the reason is because I grew up in New York.
I grew up in Yonkers, just north of New York City,
So I was I what do you call it? Yeah,
I was exposed to will say the community at a
very young age. And I'm not speaking about the small
hat tribe. I'm talking about the debiant tribe or the
deviant group. Where essentially, the thing that I recognized then,

(01:06:07):
you know, back when I was a teenager, was the
fact that the fact is the community as it were,
they target they target young men, you know, pederasty essentially,
they target young men for what they call conversions. And
so there are many individuals I knew who were targeted,
and not in two thousand and five, but later on
one of my brothers was actually targeted as well. And
so it's a highly predatory community, a highly predatory lifestyle,

(01:06:31):
especially of youth. And even you know, Saint John Crisostom
talks about how you know that's why that the sin
the community, this community commits is doubly worse than murder
because it literally it's not just killing the body, it's
killing the body of the soul, and it's specifically killing
the body and the soul of others. So when I

(01:06:52):
was two thousand and five, I recognized that there was
a huge push politically for the normalization that essentially a
huge push for normalizing the community, you know LGBT movement
essentially that what that and naturally entails is a normalization
of how they recruit and how they grow. And so essentially,
once that domino fell, like essentially a pretty essential said, okay,

(01:07:15):
so now that this is now a political issue, once
that becomes legal, then the fight's going to be over
essentially access to the access to the youth for conversion,
for conversion or you know, converting purposes. And that is
how I knew back in two thousand and five that
all of American politics was going to come down to
pro pedia file versus antipedia file. That's going to be
the defining issue because there is no that is an

(01:07:36):
issue where there simply is no middle ground for you know,
you can't there is no moderate position on that. One
is either for it or one is against it. And
the fact that this alternative lifestyle will call it, you know,
especially also, you know, two thousand and three was it's
when Texas laws against against sodomy were struck down. You know,
that was all laying down the groundwork for this to

(01:07:56):
be legalized at the federal level. So I could see
that was coming in pevitably, you know, in two thousand
and five, and so I just put two and two
together at that point, you know, pattern recognition, and that's
how I knew. And you know what amazes me are
you know men who are far more intelligent than me,
like Wanhunen who recognized it in nineteen eighty nine. That's
that's what blew my mind. So it's it's just, it's
just the fact is. The fact is. The reality is

(01:08:18):
that you cannot separate sexual deviancy from predation on children.
It's simply not possible. And there was even a study.
It wasn't it wasn't Jade Udwin's stuff, but it was
this another study. I forget what the name of the
book was that the guy ended up writing on it,
But essentially, it's any any, any system for sexual morality

(01:08:38):
that permits what Christianity would define his sexual degenerousy will
logically permit the predation on children, so that there's just
no there's no way to get around it. And this
is written by a guy who's not Christian, who's just
a secular dude who's trying to prove that essentially free love,
like the free love, would have no negative impact on
society and could be done without the inevitable decline into

(01:08:59):
uh or have like any moral system which permits free love.
There must be one that permits free love but also
would logically condemn praying on children, and he couldn't. And
he essentially definitively proved that there wasn't one, and he
was actually quite disappointed in his finding. I got to
find that again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Well, that gets back to my spiritual theory about occultism
and magic and pedophilia and the taking away of innocence
from children. We talked about Israel and what could be
deemed as a sort of human sacrifice of the Palestinians,
but we know that Israel is a safe haven for
a lot of Jewish PDFs that have been found. I mean,

(01:09:41):
one just happened, what two months ago in Colorado. Guy
got caught in a sting and the Colorado ag just
lets him go. Apparently he went back to Israel and
now he's back in the United States, at least from
posts that I was seeing on X. I mean, it's
just unreal. Meanwhile, the other like eleven people that were
caught in that sting, they're all in jail. So it

(01:10:02):
makes you think that there was certainly a spiritual element
regarding the sexual deviation and the effect it has on
the nuclear family and children specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
And I wanted to follow up on in terms of
the immigration stuff, just to get and so people want
to know, what does a serious you know, just stem
the tide of immigration. What does a serious, serious effort
look like? I would recommend looking just at the current
day Dominican Republic. So their government's gotten really serious about
kicking out illegals out of the Dominican Republic, especially with
the Haitian legals that were flooding over the border prior,

(01:10:38):
and so they were exiling people at a rate of
twenty three thousand people per month. So I mean a
comparison in twenty twenty four the United States was what
do you call? They were deporting fifty one hundred a month.
And the US is far far larger population, with a
far far larger illegal population. So if you had an
American government that was as serious as the Dominican Republic,
and there's no reason why the US government couldn't do this.

(01:11:00):
It's just a matter of use of resources if they
were to use the same per capit amount of resources
as the Dominican Republic currently is using. And mind you,
the DR is a much poorer country than the United States.
On a per capital basis, the United States government is
capable of deporting about seven hundred and forty five five
hundred people a month, and they're not doing so because
that is an active political decision to not do so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I was, I was, So, can you elaborate a
little bit on the possibility or the infrastructure to deport
that many because at least what Homan and some of
the people and the Trump administration are claiming is they
don't have the holding facilities for these people. They that
they just don't. They just aren't equipped logistically to getting

(01:11:44):
that many people out of the country. Do you think
you think otherwise?

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
No, the logistics currently does not exist, just as the
logistics didn't exist for the dr at the beginning of
twenty twenty four. They just built it out like you Actually,
if you decide instead essentially the case nariable that year. Yeah, yeah,
the US could get that to that number in a year,
like a theory if you redirected all this wasted funds
and efforts going to you know, propping up a state
in the Middle East, propping up a war that was

(01:12:11):
already lost with Russia, propping up you know, all these
government overthrows. The US has been funding like they overthrow
Nepal recently, in order to get all these countries to
you know, go to war with China in the future.
If you if the Federal Garment were to redirect there
his resources and use that to actually build holding facilities
and build all the logistics needed, within one year, you
could hit like almost nearly seven hundred fifty thousand people

(01:12:32):
a month being deported and that would actually be will
that would be the absolute minimum to deport the illegal population,
which I know the official number now is what they say,
The official number is now like twenty twenty one million
something like that, or they still thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah, the official number last I saw was twenty one million.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Yeah, so that's the twenty one million and then larger
part in terms of what is the threat of Islam,
it's not war. The fundamental threat is immigration. The fact is,
you know, I mentioned earlier Martin van Krabt. You know,
he had a phrase immigration as war, except worse because
during war the armies leave, whereas the immigrants stay. So yeah,

(01:13:09):
so the problem with the United States is so you
have this massive illegal population, but the bigger problem is
you also have this massive legal population, like you know,
the whole HGV one visas that are flooding in from India.
So you have this whole legal apparatus, and it's insufficient
to just if one was trying to save the American empire,
it is insufficient to simply kick out the illegal population,
which the political the resources exist, they're just not being

(01:13:31):
used for that purpose. They're being used for other purposes
for trying to expand the or maintain the empire of road.
The other element is deporting all the legal like essentially
cracking down and deporting most almost all of the illegal
immigrant population that exists in the United State States. Plus
reversing citizenship for those who've never bothered to americanize or

(01:13:53):
you know, because that's the other huge issue with the
United States, especially like birthright citizenship. So if you have
if you have a population of people who are citizens
but don't like, have no loyalty to you know, the
greater nation that is of the United States, right, that
is that is the perfect case for reversing citizenship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah they should, and that's where but that's where it
gets scary because the pulling of people's visas for criticism
of Israel like if it was a legitimate deportation and
even a revoking of citizenship from people that are just
antithetical to you know, whatever generic label you would give
American values or you know, the project we're a part of,

(01:14:33):
I would probably be in favor of that. What I
worry about is how that could be weaponized in favor
of the infrastructure that already exists in regard to the
political elite to maintain their power. I feel like one
of the optimisms that I've already mentioned with gen Z
and millennials is that it's already reached a tipping point

(01:14:54):
where I just don't think you can convince them that
all of a sudden they're going to be pro Israel.
And there's too many to deport, and it's the younger generation,
which is necessary to maintain the country moving forward. So
it's like they're caught between a rock and a hard place.
It'd be different if it was like a boomer if
the demographics were reversed, and it's all the boomers that
hated Israel because they have the future, but they don't

(01:15:17):
so and you know, and somebody that is very knowledgeable
about the Tahanos, as yourself, I was speaking with somebody
recently that is from the DFW area and they're living
in the Midwest, and I asked them what they thought
about the Midwest.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
It was kind of a slight I think, maybe a criticism,
but one of the things they said is that the
Midwest is very homogeneous. This was, you know, a white
American man, and I thought, hmm, interesting, And he talked
about some of the immigrant groups in a positive way.
You mind speak in just from your experience as somebody

(01:16:02):
who's very familiar with the Tuhanos, of how there's some
nuance to be had here and just because there are
immigrant groups that seemed to be hard working. As to
your point, it can terror the fabric of the sacred
canopy that holds a nation together.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Well, I just know the things that you account. Was one,
so Tehanos are not Mexican. They never were Mexicans, so
Mexico ruled them for about two decades. So if that
makes one Mexican, then uh, well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
And explain for those who don't know what a Tuhano is.
It's basically it's kind of a middle class Mexican. I mean,
you say they're not Mexican, but that's kind of the
label they're given as like a Mexican American, middle class
Mexican American that identified with the like the United Latin
American What was the thing that they you know what

(01:16:53):
I'm talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
I know you do look like the Chicano movement or yes,
it was.

Speaker 6 (01:16:59):
What hold on, let me pull it up real quick,
the university chapters. Are you talking about that? Meha?

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Hold on?

Speaker 8 (01:17:12):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
The United Latin American Citizens? Okay, League of the United
That's what I was trying to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Yeah, I personally don't know any too as a member
of that. But what do you call it? The thing
is so so historically yea, So the Honds usually got
you know, called Mexicans because you know, Texas was annex
from Mexico. But in terms of the Ethnos itself, so
if the Honos are they were part of New Spain,
but they actually had their own kingdom that was independent
of the Kingdom of Mexico. So the Kingdom of Mexico
was ruled by the descendants of the Aztec emperors because

(01:17:41):
they converted to Christianity and they actually continued to rule
and uh today like the Air of Montezuma, he lives
in Spain because they were exiled out of Spain or
out of Mexico after the Revolutions. But yeah, so Theas
was its own kingdom, so it actually was a kingdom.
The legal books of Texas today, Texas is unusual of
the of the of all American states, as well as

(01:18:02):
any state in the New World, because it still operates
on the basis of Imperial Spanish law. The foundation of
Texan law is the La Tieta Partidas, which is essentially
the Coda Saint Justinian with commentary by Aquinas one jurist
from the University of Salamanca whose name I always forget,
and as well as excerpts from church fathers. So when

(01:18:24):
the Americans settled into Texas, so you had the Tahno
population that was there. They were not exactly then several
Tunals actually fought alongside the Americans to be free of
Mexico because they weren't fans of Mexicans. Ironically, many were
not fans of the Mexican government because it was the
Mexican government which opened the borders for Americans to flood
into Texas. So by the time of the Texan independence,
your average Tojno found themselves out number ten to one

(01:18:45):
by Americans, and in terms of like origin, so that
the Honalds are descendants of Juande and Niate, so Jundo
and Nae established both New Mexico and Thejas and they
were separate states, and they are distinct peoples, but their
brothers kind of the way like the Edomites and the
Israelites were, you know, back in the old past them
in so the tone population is in terms of where

(01:19:05):
they are politically. Historically, they never really voted much at
all up until recently, and they only started voting in
twenty sixteen. So I actually got to talk with a
guy named Roll Reyes who was who was one of
the candidates back in twenty twenty for one of the
House seats in South Texas. He was challenging Tony Gonzalez
and Tony Gonzalez being a complete and total criminal and
also tons literally backed by millions of APAC money, totally

(01:19:27):
well slaughtered him in the primary. Essentially, Reyes was ahead
by like twenty five that was it, Yeah, twenty five
hundred votes, and then at one o'clock in the morning,
twenty five hundred and seven votes appeared that all were
for Tony Gonzalez. So that's the Republican primaries of Texas,
which yes they're rigged, and even in the Angle parts
of Texas they're also rigged. But that's a different story.

(01:19:48):
But the point is the Honos came out in mass
in twenty sixteen for the first time to start voting,
and they voted for Trump. And you can look at
the presidential election maps by county for twenty sixteen, twenty
twenty and twenty twenty four. You can lay over map
of you know how hispanic a given county is and
literally like the Hunts came out in Massed to vote
for Trump. And there are two reasons for that. One

(01:20:08):
because your Averason Honos as a rule, based on just
all the ones that I've interacted with, they prefer they
would like to have a cadello. They're not exactly believers
in democracy republics, but they are a fan of God theismol.
So essentially, if you act as a strong man, they're
going to like you. And that's that was Trump's appeal
in twenty sixteen. The other aspect is they get the
because you know, for example, like Ledeo, Ledo is like

(01:20:30):
nine percent to hand the least on my check. It's
one of the safest states in the It's like, it's
lanked in the top ten safest states in the United States.
It is homogeneous, but not the way most people think
of a homogeneous American city. But the huge problem they
have is all the cartel stuff nonsense coming up through
the border. They get to suffer from the cartel nonsense first,
and they also have all the floods and floods of

(01:20:52):
illegal immigrants crossing over the borders, you know, running through
their ranches, et cetera, their towns, their cities, causing all
sorts of problems and Trump problem to kick them out.
And ironically, it was that speech where Trump gets criticized for,
you know, being racist towards Mexicans. Well that was the
speech that actually resulted in him getting the Tohna vote
in Texas. And it's hilarious to me because I've talked
with actual Democratic strategists for the Democratic Party of Texas

(01:21:16):
back in the twenty tens, you know, back in Austin,
and I was amazed at how they were like trying.
They were saying, like the you know, the Honods were these,
you know, an untapped population that they could use to
make Texas vote Democrat forever. And I asked them, have
you ever been outside of Austin And they said no.
I'm like, okay, you should go pick a rural county
that's like ninety percent process panic. Go there and just
talk to people and tell me if they're going to

(01:21:36):
actually going to vote Democrat. I mean whatever. I live
in a rural county in the middle of nowhere, which
you know, and and what you know, whatever the voting
happens to the to Honalds around me, seventy five percent
of them voted for Trump in the last election. And
one thing to take an account of that is they
really do care a lot about immigration, not and that
they don't, but they don't want open borders, which is
why you know, the Honalds stayed home when you know,
George Bush was promising, you know, open borders immigration because

(01:21:59):
they don't want that. You know. It's it's so yeah, anyway,
is there anything specific you wanted me to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
You know, No, no, no, I was just talking about just
a little bit of that because the point was that
America is so multi ethnic, multi cultural, and I think
there's you know, to be in to kind of slight
the Midwest that it's it's too homogeneous or it's kind
of boring. Yeah, I mean that's like the reason I

(01:22:26):
like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Dallas Fort Worth, that's that's northernmost Texas. So that was
overwhelmingly scotch Irish settled something you didn't really have. You
didn't you had very You had almost no Hispanics north
like anwhere near that north like north of Salavo, you
didn't really have anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
But now it's incredibly multicultural.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Correct, Yeah, Texas has It's become more way more diverse
in terms of like cheer numbers like Houston for example, uh, in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Terms of like doesn't Houston have the largest Chinese population
in the US?

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
Yep, yep, it does. And the thing with with Texas
is so seventy percent of the Hispanics in Texas are
tonald The other three thirty percent are essentially the immigrants,
descendants of immigrants, et cetera. So that's what makes Texas
a little weird in terms of voting habits. And that's
why when you had the Republicans saying like, oh, look,
Hispanics are swinging towards the Republican Party, that's not what's

(01:23:18):
happening what's happening is in the last eight years is
you have to Nuevla Mexicanos as well shifted towards the
Republican Party, and then the Cubans in Florida. Like those
are the only three groups that have like genuinely had
a massive shift over the last eight years of the right.
Over the last four you've had Puerto Rican men shifting,
but not Puerto Rican women. But the thing is, like
the fact is to this day, like you're average. If

(01:23:40):
you meet a Mexican, like a Mexican Mexican, who's a
Mexican American, who's you know, odds are two out of
three they vote Democrat and that hasn't really changed. So
it's in terms of like how does America function? How
can American function? When you have this you know, different
groups or different minority groups within it. Honestly, I think
the best solution is to look towards Russia and China

(01:24:01):
and historical imperial China. I mean there's a reason why,
like in Russia, you know, in the current conflict with Ukraine,
you know you have the Buriats, the Akots, the Chechens,
the English, et cetera, who are voluntary and fighting for
the Federation. And the fact is these various people groups,
when they were annexed by the Russian Federation, they were
able to continue to live on in their you know,
their own way of life, UH, and they just pay
fealty to the emperor. Like an example, like the Klniks,

(01:24:24):
they're the one Buddhist people that live in live in Europe,
on continental Europe. So they writ initially they actually ran
to the Tsar for protection from the Ottomans, and the
Czar was like, all right, I can get a bunch
of really you know, scaled light calve to fight for
me and my war. Sure that sounds great. And they've
they've always had this essentially a positive relationship between this

(01:24:44):
celmic minority and UH and the Csars. So for example,
like the legendary you know, the Battle of Pultava where
King Charles the ninth was defeated by Peter the Great.
So most people know that as the turning point in
the in that Swedish invasion, where in the case of
Russian history, it's a significant note where West was turned
away yet again from their their attempt to conquer Russia.
But what I find hilarious is, you know, after the

(01:25:05):
initial battle was done and the Swedes were retreating, they
found themselves being chased by thousands and thousands of Kellmic
light cavalry who were desperate to get the Swedes out
as well. And the fact is, these Buddhists, they fought
loyalty for, they fought loyally to the czar. And you know,
some of them did become Orthodox, and I've met I've
met some, I've met one who actually become Orthodox. But

(01:25:25):
you know, the Czar's never forced their subject, you know,
their subject states, to convert to their religion. So the
thing is, if you're going to be an empire, so Russia,
you know, the czar was, he was an emperor, you know,
you got to figure out a way where you can
have a mutually beneficial relationship with a specific minority group
that's native to the soil. So that's why, like, if
America was to hold together as an empire, it's relationship
with the Hanos, for example, will be much different than

(01:25:48):
with Mexicans who have their own state, who have their
own country, separate country, and have this divided loyalty. In
the case of your average to Hanno, they don't have
any loyalty to Mexico because Mexico screwed them over in
particular two hundred years ago. And you know, it's it's
it's totally doable for the United States to develop a
what I would call a generative imperial policy of like okay,

(01:26:09):
so like you know this part of the Honolstan of Texas.
You know, y'all can function how you function, and ideally
that's how the United States was meant to function, you know,
as this you know, as this federation where you had
the most important power was the local political power. For example,
like you know, Southern New Jersey, South New Jersey at
the time of the American Revolution wasn't English, it wasn't
Anglo Saxon, it was Swedish. Interestingly enough, those Swedes supported

(01:26:30):
open borders immigration and they got replaced and they went
to Minnesota where they supported open borders immigration and they're
getting replaced by Somali's. So I don't know what's with
the Swedish Swedes on that, but they did that before.
But that's an example. Like ideally you can have you know,
ideally in the United States as an empire could have
a positive relationship that's mutually beneficial for both the heritage
American population and the group that they annexed. But that's

(01:26:54):
not to see.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
That Mexico closed their borders and began their own deportations.

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
They did.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Yeah, that was news a week ago. Yeah, they were.
They were doing their own deportations just because the border
was Again, that was the article I read. It was
because the US southern border was so secure. There was
a pooling of immigrants that were trying to get across
that were arriving in northern Mexico, and Mexico decided they

(01:27:21):
got to do their own deportations. They started kicking these
people back across their southern border. So but I'm curious, Uh,
you know one of the hot topics right now, and
I even see people talking about in the in the
chat regarding like Paul Miller Nick Flint tests, what do
you guys think is happening culturally right now? I saw

(01:27:44):
that Flint test. He he commented that he did not
actually create the Spotify account, but somebody created a Spotify
account as Nick Flint Tests and his podcasts. I think
they posted three or four episodes and it shot up
to like number one on Spotify, Uh, surpassed Joe Rogan
and whatever. That sex Talk podcast has some chick that

(01:28:04):
Kamala Harris. I don't even remember what it's called, but
apparently those are like the top podcasts in the US.
Joe Rogan I knew of, but it just seems like
the sentiments are changing. You know, you could call it
black fatigue. You know. Crowder recently did an interview regarding

(01:28:26):
black fatigue at a black barber shop. Did you guys
catch any of those videos? You guys know what I'm
talking about, Okay, Roscoe does so. Basically, he started talking
about the racial issues at a black barber shop in Texas,
and I bring.

Speaker 8 (01:28:42):
All it up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Not that we need a dwell on what, you know,
the interview that Crowder did or the discussion he had,
but there is a real shift that's happening, I would say,
in really all the Western nations that are facing the
immigration problem and the demographic collapse. You guys want to
speak on what you think is happening. I've kind of

(01:29:04):
talked about it before, but I'll share my thoughts after
you guys are able to share yours.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you watch the Stephen Crowder
he posted part two recently.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
By the way, I haven't seen part two. I've only
even watched part one.

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
I mean he talks about how the whole sort of
I don't want to use boomer Republican terminology with the
whole wokeism project has sort of radicalized the youth towards
the more rebellious position, which is America first, even though
I'm not an American, I think a bit more as

(01:29:40):
a European identity issue. That's sort of the direction the
pendulum is swinging in with equal force. There's nothing really
there's nothing really contrarian or there's nothing really cool about
a young person being, you know, a leftist transgender.

Speaker 6 (01:30:01):
There's nothing viral or.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
There's nothing edgy about it anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
There's nothing edgy about it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
But also it's just like even the people who did
pursue the identities, they were deviants and autists to begin with.
Like people when you look at this sort of when
you objectively measure what is attractive, what is aesthetic? You
know part of that is you know how how like

(01:30:26):
dimorphic or masculine or feminine a person is. These people
are like they're like gross, that that doesn't look good.
That's not a good optic. That's not a good optical
display for anybody young. That doesn't really appeal to natural man.
That appeals to mentally ill people. And so when you
see like bodybuilding orthodox Christian you know, Nick fuent As

(01:30:51):
being bombastic and offending everybody in a way that's way
more profound than you know, Stephen Crowder setting up a
change my Mind booth. You know, that's a much more
attractive thing to the youth, even if it's just on
a level of aesthetic, right, that's that's way more attractive
than the sort of nerdy Republican.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Stuff, right, No, definitely more attractive. I mean clearly at
my point of bringing up Crowder was not to compare
him with Wintests, but to highlight the point that he
was making, at least in part one. Like I said,
I haven't seen part two, but in part one he's
telling these black guys that are all like pro George Floyd,
now they're not as bad as like black women, and

(01:31:33):
so they'll they'll call out some of the things. You know,
there's points of agreement, but the general tone of the
barbershop is basically your general you know, pro BLM black reparations.
They're systematically oppressed, even though the guy's owning his own
barbershop and successful and conducting the interview. And Crowder's point

(01:31:56):
over and over is like, do you guys understand what's
happening and culture? Do you know like where the energy is?
Do you know why so many young white men are
kind of altering their mental position on a lot of
different topics And the landscape is very different than the
sort of nineteen nineties NAACP, you know, framework of what

(01:32:19):
America is. And they didn't seem to understand that. But
something very very real is going on regarding you can
call it race realism. I don't even think it's a
supremacy thing. I know there's some like the Paul Miller.
I'm not super familiar with this stuff. I think he's
the one that dresses up as like Joker and does

(01:32:39):
the was it is it a call omegal It's when
you can like go through different people. And from my understanding,
those guys are like super anti Christianity because they kind
of view Christianity as like a cucking religion and it's
cucked the European from his like pagan identity and stuff
like that. But race realism and being very self conscious

(01:33:04):
about what group you're a part of and wanting to
preserve that defend it. I mean, I think there's a
like race. The racial conversation in America is totally different
than it was ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Yeah, yeah, I would say I have been joking about
this with friends like mister Westward, like with Orthodox friends,
like that we have to retake racism and like speak
about it positively and distinguishing it from a bad kind
of racism, racism in the sense of like acknowledging that
your history still lives in you and that even if

(01:33:37):
you're trying to get into I don't know, the Orthodox Church, like,
you're still carrying baggage that is historical and you're going
to have to work through that. So there is a
real ontological, let's say, being that have to do with
your roots and that those cannot be let's say cut.
I was going to address what you were saying, Patrick

(01:34:01):
by mentioning, I don't know if you follow Sargon of
a Cad also known as Carl Benjamin.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
I I knew of him. I think I followed him
back in like twenty sixteen, seventeen. Well, I'm not familiar
with anything recently. You have to give me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
He's pretty influential when it comes to let's say English politics.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
He's like, that's a liberal, right, and he's non Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Photos he's kind of in between, like he's trying to
find his footing, but at the same time he has
all of these liberal presuppositions, like he's critical of the Enlightenment,
but at the same time he kind of break out
of it. And I'm seeing this happen in real time,
which is I think very interesting because basically he wants
to defend England and say stuff like England is for

(01:34:49):
the English, like kind of more of an ethno nationalist
kind of idea, which is not inherently bad, right, but
the problem is that if you don't do it with
christ they will be for nothing. And like you said,
he smuggles in a lot of let's say classical liberal
presupositions because basically he's the embodiment of a reaction against

(01:35:10):
let's say, the clamping down that the woke did over
regular people who just wanted to express let's say, their opinions.
And what we're seeing right now in my perspective, is
that there is a lot of confusion in terms of
like where we want to get to because people like
call Benjamin unfortunately they would stop and they actually say this.

(01:35:33):
They want people to have let's say, freedom to associate
politically without fear of persecution, right, and this kind of
idea in a sense, it's kind of like a cryptoliberalism.
So he can speak all he wants about let's say,
evn nationalism, but ultimately what he's doing is basically justifying
they're being treason within a system. And this is I

(01:35:54):
think a spiritual reality that we have to go back
to in terms of like, if you have a tradition society,
there is only so much that you can say about
the king. You kind of criticize the king beyond a
certain point because that becomes treasonous in itself. And like
we we don't realize how much of the enlackment is
already coded within us, even as we are trying to

(01:36:15):
become let's say more orthodox. Because let's put it this way,
if you're an apprentice, you have to pay your master
in labor, for example, there is this relationship of you,
let's say, not cutting your own origins. You know, you
recognizing who's the one to decide what is a good
work or not right. And what these people do is okay,

(01:36:38):
they want to they want to stay. They want to
do the Peterson thing of defending the West without defending
the root of what the West was about originally in
its good sense. So we're caught in in in a
in a confusion of people wanting to hold on to
let's say, an identity, but that identity not being rooted
in Christ. And I see that tension is being played

(01:37:00):
out right now because of course, yes we can recognize
that there are some traitors, but traitors to what what
is the identity that you're supposed to be defending?

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Well, what do you guys, why do you think England,
in particular in the English people were so susceptible to this.
It's one of the things I really don't have my
finger on. I have a couple theories, but you know,
they they don't have the same They obviously had an empire,
the British Empire, but they don't have the baggage of

(01:37:30):
you know, chattel slavery like the US does that we
were hit with all the time. But to allow the
country to get to the point that it is, is
it just like this? Is it kind of like an
English pacifism and until it got to like a threshold.
Is it just their political structure is so difficult to

(01:37:52):
have any sort of agency within as the English people.
Why do you guys think England in particular in the
English are you know, are kind of the epicenter and
and kind of the leading forefront of trying to reclaim
their country, although you know, just posting flags of you know,
the Union jack is like a controversial act in the

(01:38:15):
UK right now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
Well, I mean it's the it's the project of the
European Union. I mean some of the people who were
the sort of four bearers of the European Parliament, like colergy.
That was the intention all along. It was to it
was to completely erode the borders, to create a European superpower.
And once you get the European superpower, you are geopolitically dominant.

(01:38:37):
That is a that is the United States of Europe
sort of vision that they had. And in order to
get there, there's certain religious and ethnic the objectives that
you need to accomplish in order to get there. And
I think that a.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Why why the English, out of all the people, I mean,
they had Brexit, they had a sort of National Revival
Spirit twenty sixteen. They don't, you know, they don't have
the same proximity to some of the North African countries
like Spain and Italy does, or Greece. And from a
recent poll that I saw online, the country with the

(01:39:17):
it was just the general population sentiment for mass deportations
or anti immigrant sentiments, and Greece was actually number one.
I was really surprised, but Greece was number one, was
like ninety percent of their population is for deportations and
against immigration. But you know in England, like I'm just
kind of why England? Why is England? And in the UK?

(01:39:45):
Why them out of all the nations? Because I get
your point, Roscoe, that is the point of the EU,
that is the point of the of the sort of
larger political structure. But is it to punish the UK
for Braxit?

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
I mean the short answers short answers Fabians And you
know this was planned one hundred years ago. But in
terms of the Fabians were not making headway on starting
mass immigration into Britain until the Sexual Revolution. And fundamentally,
like if you look at, for example, something with France,
France is in a worst position in England in the
sense of mature numbers of non French living in France. Granted,

(01:40:21):
the countryside of France is still French, or rather you
know Brittonian and Brittany and you know Gasconese and Gascon
et cetera. But the what do you call it? Yeah,
So the chief issue is like, once you no longer
have sexual boundaries being enforced, that corrupts that literally corrupts
all society. It removes the foundation of a strong state,

(01:40:41):
which is in the words of you know, Alexander, the
third is the family, the family unit. And once you
have that, then there's no one's going to be enforcing
political borders. And that's that's just so. Britain hasn't a
ruling class elite that is backed by a an oligarchic
mangang class elite who have wanted for more than a
century to or place all of England with Muslims. And

(01:41:02):
the English people simply do not have well you know,
they vote for breakfast and what have you. They simply
do not have the spiritual power needed to actually rein
in the demonic fabians that roll over them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Well, I think you think the the will of the
English people is just diminished compared to others, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
I mean, just look at the whole whole concept of
the hard ar gangs running around, and sure they do
target and they target fatherless girls, but you know, the
sheer amount of girls who are fatherless in England is
just absolutely astoundable.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
And that's but that gets to my point. Even with
the the Pakistani gangs that went around, you know, assaulting
English girls, which was over a thousand different girls, it
was the local police that covered it up like that
just blows my mind. The lack of especially for European

(01:41:53):
nation because race is different in America. It's a totally
different context and conversation. But in Europe, you know, what,
what does it mean to be British is pretty clear?
Does it mean to be German is pretty clear. The
fact that their own British chill you know, girls are
being ard and raped and they go to cover it

(01:42:17):
up based on multiculturalism and not to be perceived as racist.
And that's what it's like, What how did the British
get there when they don't you know, at least in
with the American context, we're told we're nasty, you know, uh,
slave owners, even though that was a very minority of
the South who actually owned slaves. But okay that that

(01:42:38):
history exists in America. I mean other than you know,
the East India Company, maybe you can talk about some
of the how the empire worked. But why are the
English so caught? I don't get it, you know, is it?
I saw somebody in the chat said they believe it
has to do with the erosion of the power of
the monarchy, but it is the royal family. Are they

(01:43:00):
like super pro English? I mean, I'm not even sure.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
The German education system and like you're asking how this
penetrated their minds. I mean they're taught it in their schools,
just like every other Western country.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
But why are not all those same Western countries? Why
were they not as susceptible as it seemed like the
English were?

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Well there, Well, you say that we're dirty slave owners,
or you guys are dirty slave owners in America, But
they're dirty colonialists. These Indians are just moving from one
part of the British Empire to the next.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
That's not exactly it's the empire.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
It's super than that. So like take for example, like Spain,
So why Spain, I mean Spain has got serious problems
but like the thing is that they're behind the they're
behind France and England, and the reason is because you know,
they had you know, they had what's his name, oh yea, yeah,
oh yeah, helped me out Ivan the dictator world War
two through the nineteenth seventy thank you, Franco so and

(01:43:51):
then you know the king that he tried to hand
off power to completely cooked and handed it over to
essentially American rule. But the thing is, yeah, Spain, that
was Franco and Solid Start for Portugal were essentially stopgap
measures who prevent or stop the decay for a couple
of decades and then the decay started up back again.

(01:44:11):
England has not had, nor has France had someone who
stopped the decay for you know, three four decades. That's
that's the distinct difference if you're comparing Western nations.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
But you look at it like the sentiments, for example,
the Dutch between the English is very different, very you
know a lot of overlap similar geography, although you know,
not the exact same. But even though Gert Wilders is
you know very much as zionist, I mean, the public
statements regarding Islam in the Netherlands compared to England is

(01:44:44):
just totally different by the ruling establishment. Like that's what
I was kind of getting. I was surprised by the Swedes,
how willing the Swedes are to keep importing with all
the problems, they have no go cities within Sweden, and
they're still importing people in Germany. Given that my wife's German,

(01:45:06):
I'm very familiar more and more familiar with like German culture.
It seems like the German youth are very much like
the American youth right now, Like the same phenomenon is happening.
Which again, now think of what the memes they're playing
off of, and that's real history there, you know, like
it's but the English. I mean, I recently watched the

(01:45:28):
guy who Is he's kind of like a Paul Joseph
Watson type. I don't even know his name, but he
does like street interviews, and I was blown away by
how many white english people would like, we're reluctant to
even say what an English person was, you know, and
I think, to what is an American? I think that's
a little bit more complex. I think to Rosco's point,

(01:45:48):
you could go to the heritage American English identity. Everything
else was hyphenated, But since then I think the conversation
what is American is more nuanced. But what is a German?
What is in? What is a British person? What is
it to be Irish? Those are pretty clear cut.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Yeah, yeah, If I may chime in, I think that
the issue has to do with of court colonialism. Of course,
the fact that the Enlaightenment has was mostly uh, what's
the most successful I would say in England that in
any other place in the world. And also like they
have the history of Mangna carb so like the English temperament,

(01:46:29):
like the the real Englishman of today is a classical
liberal by temperament. So the the the idea that you
have this like rootedness is completely undermined constantly in there
in the rhetoric when you hear them speak, because they say, oh,
in England, like there is no such thing as a

(01:46:50):
as a as an English person, because you've got Celts,
You've got Anglo Saxons, because you've got the Norman invasions,
because you've got Vikings, which is bullshit ultimately, because what
the ethno nationalists want to defend is an idea like
that that group of people settled on certainly good ideas,

(01:47:10):
and that those good ideas are worth defending over let's
say the immigrants. But the problem is that the further
away you get from orthodoxy, the less those kinds of
let's say, political solutions can hold in society itself. So
my speculation is that the moment that you have a

(01:47:31):
person that says I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pay
taxes to the king because I'm gonna do my own thing,
while at the same time free riding on the security
that the king offers, that creates a liberal, individualist subject.
What you have is the British people are the most
modern people in the world in the way that they think.
They don't think about, let's say, uh, the costs of ideas.

(01:47:57):
If they did, they would have no problem persecutre people
that say, who have a different set of ideas without.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Out on social media. I mean, how many how many
thousands of arrests do they have because they say things
on social media so that that sentiment is clearly there.
It's against the directionality that you would support. But what
I mean compare the Irish in the English like the
Irish I just watched the video where they had the
police held hostage because they burned down another migrant building

(01:48:29):
and they were actually doing checks while all the cars
went by. They would check if there was any migrant
if you're if you're Irish, you know you're on your
way if you're a migrant, Like they were pulling people
out of their cars. My point is, look at how
the Irish are reacting to it, look at how the
English are being dominated by it, and and they're only

(01:48:49):
i mean, their major active resistance as of lady is
just putting up national flags. Not that that's bad thing.
I'm saying they're doing what they can. But my point is,
like doing that, you're getting like pms like the Indian
guy last week. That's like telling people, Hey, I know
we should we fly the flag at football games, but
you know we got to tone it down here. You're

(01:49:10):
making people feel unsafe. Feel unsafe. That's literally the flag
of the nation. What are you talking about, exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Patrick, You you brought up the case, the perfect case,
because like here you have this Indian guy telling British
people what a real British people is, like whether a
real British person is like right right, So you have
this dude who's cularly Indian.

Speaker 8 (01:49:34):
Onto the goal to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Tell British people not to put on their own flags
because it's our patriotic Like, it's insane that people would
let that happen. Like what I'm saying is only a
liberal person can be fine with that and not see
a problem with that. There is clearly a problem with that.
But the liberal subject cannot even notice that there's a

(01:49:57):
problem with that because it's racist or what ever. So
you're brainwashed. What can I say?

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Hey, Blake, welcome to the panel. Brother, Do you have
something you wanted to add?

Speaker 7 (01:50:11):
No, I completely agree with what everybody's saying so far.
I come from like a bit of a different perspective
because I know, like probably most of the people here
don't like Israel, but I actually support Israel. Okay, but
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
I mean that that's kind of more on the open
panel topic. Why do you support Israel?

Speaker 8 (01:50:40):
So?

Speaker 7 (01:50:40):
I support it because not so much because of like
any disponisational thing. It's more like a strictly strategical like alliance.
I could actually make a case if you if you
like to hear it. Yeah, maybe maybe, and maybe you
guys could like scrutinize it. Sure, So I think that

(01:51:02):
I think that everyone should support Israel, and it's because
we have a we have a great and necessary alliance
with Israel. You know, they give us like unparalleled intelligence.
And this isn't just you know, this isn't theoretical that
you know, they they tipped us off, you know, on

(01:51:22):
Iranian nuclear plots, and you know they foil the tacks
on American soil, you know, including the twenty ten cargo
plane bump plot. We have like the Abraham A Cords,
you know, which which you know, created an anti uronic
allegiance that you know should secure US shipping lanes and
energy flows, which then helps all shocks that could spect

(01:51:45):
US gas prices. You know, everyone likes to complain about
gas prices. So like, what do you guys think of
what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
It sounds like so the chat thanks, you're trolling and
you're using a a voice modulator? Are you using a
voice modulator? Is this your real voice?

Speaker 7 (01:52:06):
Yeah? I am using a voice changer, just like to
help consume my identity, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
And so you legitimately feel that Israel supplies the United
States with intelligence advantages through Masad.

Speaker 9 (01:52:23):
Yes, yeah, intelligencestead of RACA webs and mass destruction in
two thousand and three.

Speaker 7 (01:52:36):
I can't say that again.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
Sorry, I missed that, like the intelligence that Israel supplied
in two thousand and three that well Saddam Lussein supposedly
had weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist.

Speaker 7 (01:52:49):
Oh, I haven't heard about that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
What you haven't heard about Come on, dude, you're trolling. Man,
this is a troll.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
What do you think about when Israel sold like like
weapon technology to China from America?

Speaker 7 (01:53:11):
When when was that?

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:53:13):
What are you what are you referring to?

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
Look it up? Well, Israel, it's kind of notorious that
behind China, they're like the second nation that steals the
most intellectual property from the United States.

Speaker 6 (01:53:30):
This was in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
It looks like, Yeah, so I'm not sure exactly what.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Yeah, that dude was trolling. There's no way that was real.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Yeah, because I was just looking up list of things
that Israel sold to China. So that include the schematics
for what was it, the Python air to air missile,
as well as the US Sparrow missile, as well as
tons of our jet fighters, tanks, radar systems.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Yeah, I was hoping it was legitimate. I want like
a pro Israel guy to come on, and I'll even
be with him, yep. But once I heard his voice
and I was with the chat, I was like, that's
not his real voice.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:54:07):
And then.

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
If you want an overview of Israel's strategic advantage for America,
look no further than John Meerscheimer's The Israel. The overview
of how this view that israelized of a strategic advantage
to America during the course of the.

Speaker 6 (01:54:28):
Cold War, It's just totally totally ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:54:30):
There's there's Arabs had a positive impression of America as
like a non invasive entity in the Middle East. They
viewed them as more isolationists, a non imperial power. But
we just so we just had to ruin that for
this tiny, tiny state the size of New Jersey, Right, Yeah,

(01:54:52):
we could have had much, much greater alliances with the
sort of native Arab populations, but gave it away to
bail worshippers.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
Well, the thing is, the US doesn't even need the
Middle East. I mean, the US could just mend relationships
with Venezuela and you know all the oil needs are well, actually,
US doesn't even need Venezuela to satisfied its oil needs.
But you know, the US can just focus on the
new world and be the big dog in the new
world exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
But clearly people that operate at the highest levels have
some type of obsession. And I think it's more than
just you know, the current state of Israel and Palestine,
as do you pointed out the Greater Israel project. I
think this has to do with like a massive spiritual

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warfare that is happening about reconquering the Holy Land and
and inverting it into you know, a demonic, false messionic savior.
And so I think I'm totally with you, Jose. It
makes no economic or military or or logistical sense for

(01:56:01):
the US to be constantly involved in the Middle East.
I mean, we should just secure the Western hemisphere. We
should normalize relationship. You know. Again, it sounds like Trump's
gone who whole hog towards Venezuela and wanting to go
to war with Maduro and it just makes no sense.
But to me, the only thing that makes sense is

(01:56:23):
that this is about a deeper, deeper, spiritual reality, whether
it's these spirits are possessing individuals, which is something I
believe is very possible and currently happening, or just an
obsession with taking over like this ancient, ancient piece of
land and making sure it's Jewish.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
That's the crazy thing too, because it's it's the it's
pure nonsense in the elite conception they have of their
ability to project power. And I mean you can see
in terms of their approaches to negotiation. So for example, well,
I got to feedback on of my thing, so I
only fix this thing. Okay, now it's working all right,

(01:57:03):
the yeah. So for example, like negotiating Alexander America, ars
of the DURAN had a very good observation that essentially
West all their leadership gets together and then negotiate with
each other what they want and then they present those
as demands to be the Russians or the Iranians or whoever,
and then they're shocked that the other side is like, no,
We're just not gonna go with that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
And then you see this with the issue of a
US army or the US military. They had reports that
was released concerning the amount of equipment they actually have
that is maintained and in good order. And the United
States has fewer military vehicles in working order than the
all of the cartels in Mexico combined. It's you know,
it's so pathetic. It's like, you know, you have there's

(01:57:45):
certain you know, certain vehicle classes where for the last
ten years, not a single not like not a single
like platoon had all their their vehicles and work in order.
And you know, there are a lot of military retired
guys out here and they'll complain about the Bradley systems
and the crazy because two of them were Bradley uh guys.
They almost actually drove them, and the other was a
maintenance guy on them. And it's interesting because I told them, like, yeah,
like the things that I heard from the Ukrainian stuff

(01:58:07):
was the Bradley system was the only weapon system the
US sent that actually worked on the battlefield, and they said, yeah,
it works, but they were telling me about how much
of a nightmare it was to keep it working. It's
the US is not the US military has not done
the homework, the groundwork preparation that it needs to have
weapon systems that actually function in the actual real military conflict.

(01:58:29):
And so if you do not have a military that
can function in a real military conflict, then your soft
power is meaningless. And that's why I'm very interested about
this potential invasion of Venezuela because it could be the
Syracuse expedition that you know Athens did, you know, back
during you know, way back on, when they'll destroy their
own empire by invading Syracuse. It'll be interesting because the

(01:58:50):
US military has not been in more shambles than in
its entire history, and it makes me it'll be a
good test to see, you know, how how competent is
the bus driver ruling Venezuela actually is, because you've never
had a weaker America try to, you know, get involved
in Venezuela and internal affairs acted like. Venezuela had a
right wing military dictator up until I think it was
fifty seven when the US kicked him out in order

(01:59:12):
to put in a socialist because for some reason, the
eisenhowerd ministration wanted a socialist in power. But you know,
it's what do you call it, I'm just amazed. I'm amazed. Anyway,
for me, it'll be interesting because the other part two
is I was there in Colombia back in like two
thousand and eight, two thousand seven, when the US was
trying to get Columbia to go to war with Venezuela
and thankfully Columbia did not do so, because you know,

(01:59:33):
the Venezuelans are essentially, you know, brothers. They're literally like
closer than brothers to Colombian's in terms of like history,
like there is animosity and stuff over political issues and
border issues and immigration issues, but historically, you know, Colombia
and Venezuela has gotten along pretty well for most of
the last two hundred years. And yeah, I just find
it crazy because like the US doesn't even need to
go to war with Venezuela, Like I don't. I don't

(01:59:55):
understand what their exact target is in that regard.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
From the last time heard from the Trump administration, it's
because China and Russia had sent military equipment to Venezuela,
and so they see it again. This is their framing
of the situation, is they see it as a military
threat to the future of the United States because of
their proximity. So that is their argument. Now the other

(02:00:22):
argument is that wasn't there recently a mineral find in
Venezuela that was like trillions of worths of trillions of
dollars And this is this is an addition to the oil.
It's not just the oil. It's and I'm blanking on
the particular mineral that they discovered.

Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
Yeah, I believe it. It's interesting if that's the case.
The sad part is it was the US that created
the problem in the first place, by essentially deciding to
turn Venezuela into a pariah and trying to balled around
like sure, like a lot of people, the guy before Maduro,
you know, far from exactly competent. Shot is essentially de
facto destroyed the nation. But the fact is you didn't

(02:00:58):
need to be hostile to them. You could just let
them desty Roy you know, Venezuela and then Venezuela and
the Venezuelan and people handle it themselves and you know,
self correct the nation. But instead the United States. But
preventing such a bad presenting itself as a you know,
external outside threat. It's enabling these enabling incompetent men like
Shaves to last as long as he did. That's the
thing too, Like I think I look at it, like,

(02:01:19):
you know, I know another example, like the US tried
to overthrow a Pega back during the COVID shutdowns and
everything and that failed. I know, Russia was sending equipment
to Nicodagua, And the reason why Nicodagua was reaching out,
or Venezuela's reaching out to Russia, to China, et cetera,
is because the US has decided to be hostile to
those states to begin with. So it's again, it's the
issue of the Empire has a habit of creating enemies

(02:01:41):
where it doesn't need to have one.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
Right, So, Blake, you joined us back. Are you trolling? Bro?
Are you? Are you legitimately pro is real? Because with
the voice modulator, I mean, it sounds like this is
a troll. Hello, Blake, No, I.

Speaker 7 (02:02:07):
Know, I'm I'm I'm serious. I'm just at the same time,
you know, I'm always willing to learn, and I just yeah,
I just wanted to see like what you guys thought
of what I was saying.

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
Well, however, you never heard of weapons of mass destruction
in net Yahoo coming before you know, the Senate the
Congress and telling them that Saddam Hussein has weapons of
mass destruction, which we now know in hindsight was a lie.
I mean for somebody for some of the instances that
you're pulling up. One of the reasons why I think

(02:02:40):
it's a your troll is because you would certainly have
been aware of that with the specificity of the the
instances you mentioned.

Speaker 7 (02:02:52):
Well, I'm I'm always learning, like like like I said,
I mean, there's also there's also the fact that you know,
we we get a lot of economic opportunity from our
relationship with Israel.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
How well, well.

Speaker 7 (02:03:10):
Just like one figure that I know off the top
of my head is we we've gotten, like I thing,
it was like around fourteen billion last year in revenue
from exports to Israel. That's so that's that's quite a
big that's quite a big number right there. And you

(02:03:33):
can look this up to you look this up to
I believe it's it's on like some some government site
has it. But yeah, that's I don't think they can
argue against that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
So what are your thoughts about the Jewish NBA, n
g O s behind mass immigration, apex stranglehold on US politics?
You think these are good things? You think that you know,
the only foreign lobbyist group that isn't forced to register
as a foreign agent has an incredible influence amongst both

(02:04:10):
Republicans and Democratic candidates.

Speaker 7 (02:04:16):
I get I understand how that could be like suspicious,
but I don't I don't like see, I don't see
like an issue of you know, Israel trying to argue
on its behalf.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
What you don't think Apak argues on behalf of Israel.
That's literally the point of it being a lobbyist group.

Speaker 7 (02:04:38):
I know, it argues. I'm just saying I don't see
the issue with like Israel, you know, trying to appeal
to like the US government.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Well, they should as a foreign lobby though. I mean,
just like every other country that that has a lobbyist
group to try to influence the US government, they have
to register as a as a foreign agent.

Speaker 7 (02:04:59):
Sure, that's you know, and you know that's something that
you can that's definitely like a valid argument, you know.
But like still, it's like like the fourteen billion and
revenue's that's a huge that's a huge that's a huge
boon for the US economy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
No, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I haven't interrupted here.
The figure you mentioned has to be put in context.
Israel is the twenty fourth largest like trade partner. The
twenty fourth before them is Indonesia, before them is Malaysia.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
Like price it's two think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Exactly, it's like you're you're talking about like I don't
know a couple of dimes, like why should the US
defend such an unprofitable outpost?

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
And I mean, Blake, they I mean if it wasn't
for net Yah, who would we have spent the trillions
of dollars we did in the Middle East and the
war in Iraq? I mean that that certainly is not
an economic boom for our allyship with Israel.

Speaker 4 (02:06:14):
And just in terms of raw numbers, So like you
mentioned fourteen billion in revenue with from exports to Israel
last year, but last year what the US gave like
what sixteen billion more than that to Israel?

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
So that's a net law.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
And then you have the issue of what was the
value of trade with Russia that was worth thirty six
billion in the US threw that away for well firts
desire to destroy Russia. So you know, if Israel suddenly
an important ally at fourteen billion a year in revenue
export revenue, then Russia is literally almost three times as
valuable as Israel.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Yeah, I mean, how close have you been following the
Israel Yeah, we can hear you. I mean, Blake, you
do agree that is okay? All right? I think this
guy's a troll. I'm not letting back anymore. This is

(02:07:07):
very very load tier defensive Israel. I mean, can we
just get like a quality pro Israel guy on the
panel here? It really get I gotta do.

Speaker 4 (02:07:19):
People should try? Should I try? Because I actually do
have one based on the fact that Israel sent sold
to cruise missiles to Russia in twenty twenty one, not Russia,
China in twenty twenty one. So this is my case
for why Israel's a good ally to the United States
because it's handing over all this technology for you know,
just you know, literally pennies on the dollar to China.
This enables China to train their air defense systems on

(02:07:40):
Americans missile systems, which means that China's air defense is
will already be trained to essentially lock down and knock
out and the attack America will make on China, making
attack on China that much more difficult for the United States.
So it cripples the American elite's ability to go to
war with China that they want to do. And crippling
the American elite's ability to go to war with China
benefits the Americans, doesn't ree who won't have to get

(02:08:01):
drafted in such a war or pay such taxes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
But it also is my short argument for it allows
the US military industrial complex to focus its effort in
the Middle East for their projects exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
But yeah, the thing the difference is, uh war with
China would be death for the United States.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
Oh yeah, Well even Hex has recognized that every war
gaming they've done for a potential war with in China
leads to China winning.

Speaker 4 (02:08:24):
Yep, And that's the thing. Every war game since two
thousand and two when they ran the war games to
about to war with Iran, Iran wins every single time.
So it's and China's a far far bigger dog than Iran.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
Yeah, let's see pro zilch throws in ten says the
closer you get to the source of truth, the more
the enemy attacks you on all fronts. That was a
reference to some of ivan struggles previously. So yes, whenever
you start speaking truth, That's why I say all the

(02:09:00):
public stuff, it actually makes you a vector for attack.
You know, it's not as it's not as peaceful as
you may imagine. Misti FISTA gifted five total crew memberships.
Thank you so much, missed A. FISTA, really appreciate your support.
Brother and Austin Detulio throws inten says, I come back
from Vespers and you people didn't pay your taxes. Shame exactly.

(02:09:21):
People aren't even tieth in in to the Church of
the Eternal Logos anymore, guys. I mean, I don't even
know how you call yourself parishioners anymore. Suck Duck five
nine one five throws in two, says, don't forget we
give them money to buy our own guns. Yeah exactly.
I mean that's what jose was highlighting is, yeah, we
gave him sixteen billion again. And I'm skeptical of how

(02:09:45):
Israel makes fourteen billion dollars for the US taxpayer. You know,
I'm very skeptical about that. But it's a net negative
no matter how you run the numbers. I mean, this
is not this is not a beneficial relationship. And so
Thomas seven seven seven eight zero three throws in two

(02:10:06):
ten dollars, says, are we sure that wasn't Ben Shapiro
or net Yahoo with a voice modulator? Also, here's some
dash for debateon Well, thank you very much, Thomas, to
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:10:18):
Uh God to be Ben Shapiro. Huh too slow of
a speaker to be Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
Yeah, Denmark Andy, welcome brother. Are you pro Israel?

Speaker 8 (02:10:29):
What do you mean I'm Jewish?

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (02:10:33):
Come, really, no, I'm not. I'm from Denmark.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
Well that's what I thought it said, Denmark, Andy. Well
are you what is your opinion on the topic of Israel, Gaza, Palestine.

Speaker 8 (02:10:49):
I'll follow the show on man, but it's almost going
to be I think I'm a Christian man. But yeah,
like you say, it's in the Bibles. At some point
it's gonna be like, Man, I don't go over there
at these places, these mountains and these these fights. I'm
gonna be the end.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
What kind of Christian?

Speaker 7 (02:11:08):
Are you?

Speaker 8 (02:11:09):
Our Protestant?

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (02:11:11):
Yeah? Are you Danish Lutheran?

Speaker 8 (02:11:14):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (02:11:15):
Are you Danish Lutheran like a traditional Danish Lutheran or
what kind of Protestant?

Speaker 8 (02:11:20):
I don't know. I'm going to like a free church.
It's called like not at nothing in the stream or anything.
I've been in a what's called like a Paula hudo whatever,
Like I'm just witting my own things now, I'm own Bible.

(02:11:42):
I just wanting to find Jesus, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:11:45):
Fair in the American experience that will be called nonconformist
Protestantism back in the nineteenth century. I was just asking
because my grandmother was a half Dane and so she
was raised in the Danish Lutheran Church, so she had
a very she was essentially a de facto Catholic can
protest or Catholic a light as some of my friends
would refer to her as.

Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
Andy, are you pro Israel?

Speaker 7 (02:12:16):
Any?

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Are you pro Israel?

Speaker 8 (02:12:18):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
Pro is Do you support Israel in regards to their conflicts?

Speaker 8 (02:12:24):
Never being that I don't really believe do you have
a country? If do you believe that East or what
it's called pastin it's not a country. I think it's
all bullshit, Like it's like it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (02:12:36):
You know, Israel doesn't make sense as a country.

Speaker 8 (02:12:40):
No, it's it's like it's a free world, you know.
For me, So I don't think nobody should come down
and take all the pupil's countries to say and claim
that's that's fast, you know, and like we are like
I know about the Second World War, you know, and
it's a big thing over here too, and and all
these Jews they quieted over the land kind of tool

(02:13:04):
Israel off time the wall. You know, I don't think
it's fair. I don't know. I don't know shit about
I know it being the well okay, I don't know
any Jewish people like, I don't know, but like it's
I think washbod you know what.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
A word sucked duck through. In another five set, also,
Florida made it illegal for local governments not to buy
Israeli junk bonds. Yeah, I did. In Texas do the
same thing, Jose.

Speaker 4 (02:13:31):
Possibly, I know, but they did. I know what did happen.
There's a lot in the books where you cannot boycott
any Israeli company or the country of Israel. What makes
it very interesting is that the company that has a
monopoly on all of the what about the hormones and
stuff for transitions, that is an Israeli company. So in
the state of Texas it is illegal to boycott the
pharmaceutical company which is making all of the material needed

(02:13:55):
for chemical transitioning.

Speaker 1 (02:13:57):
I'm not surprised, that's what it was disappointing. It was
during the gab controversy where they did the you know,
Governor Abbott signed the document about anti Semitic hate speech
in Texas and then I saw the the BDS legislation,
and Texas and Florida are kind of held as the
beacons of American freedom right, but at the same time

(02:14:20):
those they are like the two most Israeli cukeed states.
And my state too, Indiana is very much pro Zionists
by the establishment GOP. So yeah, it's pretty sad situation.
Of course. Then the Trump administration was trying to make
this federal, which didn't that eventually get struck down. They

(02:14:43):
were going to make a federal Yeah, they were trying
to make it federal. That the BDS legislation essentially that
no one in the United States could boycott Israel, but
that I thought the Supreme Court or a judge in
one of the circuit courts shot it down because it
violated state's autonomy.

Speaker 4 (02:15:01):
So I don't remember. And since we have a being here,
I mean we touched on immigration. I just wanted to ask,
because I know, what's your Prime Minister Meta Frederickson. She
gets elected under the basis of a restricting immigration, but
then the foreign population in Denmark increases by like twenty
percent under her tenure.

Speaker 8 (02:15:17):
Nah, boy, was not with the Assembly, you know, like
she was formal power, you know, but like she's she's
being elected like for a few years now, but being
in power for more years now, like four years of thing.
But she's not like anything. Is there any bill, He's

(02:15:39):
just like another public you know.

Speaker 4 (02:15:42):
Is there any real like who'd be the real opposition
to mass immigration into DENMARKUS? I mean clearly if the
foreign population increases by twenty percent in four years, she's
not any real opposition to the clergy plan.

Speaker 1 (02:15:53):
Yeah, and I saw a video at a Copenhagen there
was just like Muslims everywhere.

Speaker 8 (02:15:57):
Yeah, it's going to be the same, and it's the
same like else in Scandinavia. We're a small country, but
we took a lot of people in not worse than
like Sweden, but like a little bit over Germany, probably
in our sides of the country, you know, to say so,
but Na, but I'm born in the ghetto. I don't

(02:16:18):
be a fart like I don't know, I don't fear
my God. And as long as this show respects to
me and love, I don't having hat towards them.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
You know, So you're okay with big problem.

Speaker 8 (02:16:32):
They're coming over here. They don't come back when the
country is fine. Again, I don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
Because they're coming to take your country over.

Speaker 8 (02:16:39):
Brother, yep, yeah, yeah, but like what what are you from?

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
America?

Speaker 8 (02:16:43):
Yeah? What about your country? It's always been taken up
by a lot, like you're probably not even from that,
and you like DNA, you know, like you're probably Irish
or some ship another country. I don't know, but yeah,
well that have to do with India. They have a
lot to say, like all the black people, what you

(02:17:06):
scalt off? I'm not scaling from I'm not from the ghettle. Okay.
I got eighty different nationalities and I respect them all
as the respect me. Either I play with them or
they play with me. Okay, That's how it was for me.
It was a top life, you know, going up and
in the ghetto. But I understood a lot and I

(02:17:27):
still understand it lot. I don't hate bo and I
don't I do understand. And yeah, a lot of these
people they should go back to their own country. Now
it's it's save over there. And yeah, now we're started
tightening up, you know, because we could see all the
problems with criminality and all that, you know, but like
sitting in here and talking like like you know, everything,

(02:17:49):
and you've never seen a black man in the eyes,
you know, like you know, I've never seen will they
been out on the street, probably like Willy like finding.
I don't fucking know, but it sounds like you're scaled
of some something you know, of something I don't know.

Speaker 10 (02:18:03):
You know, American Europeans, especially some of the Scandinavian countries,
is that you guys have lost your entire will to
fight and that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:17):
You guys have been cucked. And you know, the countries
based on the demographics moving forward, you guys are going
to be Muslim and you're going to be ruled by
the immigrants you brought in. And America is a different
concept because it's post it's a post Enlightenment.

Speaker 8 (02:18:32):
What are you?

Speaker 1 (02:18:34):
What does that have to do with Denmark? What does it?

Speaker 2 (02:18:38):
And they may may I chime in. I think what
you're trying to articulate, but it's not coming through, is
the idea that Americans are somehow, uh illegitimately in their
own country. And let me tell you this.

Speaker 3 (02:18:54):
Uh the idea that certain people has no right to
be in some place that they control is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:19:02):
You can say, oh, but you're just a colonialist or
whatever done deal, It's happened. What happens happened. So when
you have a society, your your job as part of
that society is to protect that society.

Speaker 8 (02:19:17):
You're not a colonist. There's so many different people.

Speaker 2 (02:19:21):
Listen, Listen, listen. What Patrick was trying to tell you
was what's going on with Denmark that you are allowing
anybody to come in and change of America.

Speaker 8 (02:19:38):
No, you're just like you're not seeing what's going on
in America. And I think in one stream at least,
there's more black people than there's white people over there.
Or we can take or Muslims. What are you talking about, sweet?
You don't have any sweets over there, Nowhere, no where
you can go without seeing a American popular Muslim country?

(02:20:03):
You know a Muslim? Just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
You're you're ignorant on everything. What's the percentage of black
people in the United States?

Speaker 8 (02:20:10):
I don't know, bro, but everybody you don't. I think
it's fifty fifty men in.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
The United States.

Speaker 8 (02:20:17):
Fifty My mom public banks them also, like I don't know,
I don't give.

Speaker 1 (02:20:23):
You're back talking about mar You have no idea about
America and.

Speaker 8 (02:20:27):
You have no idea about them not raised and you're
talking trust Mark, you don't know ship about them? Like
East were like, what are you talking about? Go with
your books, school boy. Yeah, I'm the new guy.

Speaker 1 (02:20:42):
Are you? Are you out of looking ignorant? Well you
don't even have guns.

Speaker 8 (02:20:46):
Bro, Yeah, we do love you. You what you have
to do? What do you mean? We're gonna have it.
We're gonna have We're gonna have pumpkong. We're gonna have
a clock in our house.

Speaker 1 (02:21:00):
You don't have a glock you?

Speaker 8 (02:21:02):
Yeah, boy, you can. You can coach shoot and you
can get after fall. Yeah you can. You can do that.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
But no problem, no problem, ammunition does a glock.

Speaker 8 (02:21:18):
Us and I'm billing me.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
Okay, at least you got that right.

Speaker 8 (02:21:22):
Well, I'm a fucking guitar. I'm an older criminal. You know.
I got this ship when I was fourteen years old.

Speaker 1 (02:21:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not impressed. Not impressed, creature.

Speaker 8 (02:21:36):
What is this chess? Fucking game?

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
Man?

Speaker 8 (02:21:38):
What the fun?

Speaker 1 (02:21:39):
They almost like you can joined my stream, brother, you
should go.

Speaker 8 (02:21:43):
Look my stream. Man. That's some real ship. That's some little.

Speaker 1 (02:21:48):
All right man. God bless him, God blessing.

Speaker 8 (02:21:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
I'm just trying to give me like conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:21:58):
I was gonna say, I'm grateful with my Greatranddaddy got
out of Denmark.

Speaker 1 (02:22:01):
So oh man, all right, well there we are. So
it looks like we had a couple of final superchats
come in. Robert Ryanson throws in two bucks, says docu
recommendation Mauthi Buddha Pizzagate one through three. I did watch that.

(02:22:23):
What was back in the day? What was that two thousand?
Wasn't that made in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I
remember watching that. Mauthi Booda didn't make content anymore. So
Octavian throws in ten Bucks, says Andy's street name is Abdual.

(02:22:44):
Oh gosh, all right, well, I think we're gonna wrap
things up there. We had a super chat over on
the Dono Chat. Major shout out to bj Ryan sixty nine.
It says safe travels DPH. Thank you so much, brother
for the support. And I don't think anything came through
on stream labs. But anyways, any final comments from you

(02:23:05):
guys about today's comment or anything we discussed before closing
up shop here?

Speaker 2 (02:23:12):
Yeah, I actually wanted to say I think it's tangential
perhaps to what was discussed about the relationship between the
US and Israel, but in the sense of distinguishing between
what's part of your identity or what's not. It's like
we have to start to make the argument that religion
is actually and this is a medieval argument, by the way,

(02:23:34):
like that religion allows you to have a civilization, right,
that religion is actually necessary for you to have a society.
And from that perspective that you have to start to
tell people, look, we're going to have a religion, whether
you want it or not, and that religion will be
codified into law, and we're not going to have you

(02:23:54):
be re writing on the benefits of our religion. You
don't have to come to church if you don't want to,
but you're going to have to respect some laws, and
the state has to make sure that you're not free
writing on other people's seal. So like any society will
naturally try to, let's say, monitor who's part of the

(02:24:15):
let's say, part of the identity and who's working against it,
and trachers have to be excised, like excommunion is important
as well, like every identity wants you to be integrated
to it. If you respect it's laws, if you respect
it's spiritual principles. The problem is we're in a liberal

(02:24:37):
landscape where we have people who have a different let's say,
religious allegiances, like likely Israelites, who are trying to let's say,
muddel the conversation and confuse us and have us think
that it's actually in our interests to defend their interests.

Speaker 1 (02:24:58):
So maybe your point Ivan, It's been one of the
things that we've been talking about in some of our
think tanks at the Logos Academy, is you know, the
multicultural project is one thing regards to multiple ethnicities living together.
They have to have the same language, they have to
have the same culture they've assimilated to. But in addition

(02:25:22):
to that, it's not that a you know, somebody that's
non Christian couldn't be here. But there has to be
like an explicit recognition of like the religious orientation of
a nation. And and I think that's you know, that's
the unspoken part of the problems with multiculturalism is you know,

(02:25:44):
obviously there's at least from some of the Christian nationalists
that I've seen there, some of them are very you know, Protestant.
I get the sentiment that they're going. And certainly I
would be in favor of fusing a national identity with religion.
I think that's the only way out. So the point
that you make, I think is really apropos is the
only way to save some of these Western nations is

(02:26:05):
to have an explicit religious orientation, like Germany has to
reclaim itself as being Christian. And that's that's I think
one of the more difficult things with the European context
and the American context is despite the Masonic, Protestant evangelical
bin of American Christianity, the just based on Pew Research data,

(02:26:27):
a larger swath of the American population explicitly identifies themselves
as Christian compared to Europeans. And it's so said because
Europe is the place where it has the history, they have,
the churches, they have, you know, the saints, well, some
saints that we recognize as Orthodox. But you get my point.
And I think until there's a sort of a remergence

(02:26:51):
of like what like, because you can be German, but
you have to you have to have some sort of
larger ethos and transcendental meaning behind what it is that
you're defending and so until these Western nations actually become
explicit about what their religious orientation is and what they're
defending and what they're promoting. I mean, it's just like you,

(02:27:12):
you're fighting people. You're still using multiculturalism, but you're saying, Okay,
everybody's cool, but we really don't like that. Guys, we
really don't like that. Don't do that. But you can't
justify what it is. You're just hoping that maybe they'll assimilate.
But to Roscoe's point about what's already happened in Canada
and we're seeing it happen here in the United States,
and I'm watching it happen here in Indianas the immigrants

(02:27:35):
come in and they just build enclaves and they take
over entire neighborhoods, and then you know, you can go
to a place and everybody speaking Hindi to each other
and okay, you know, having a homogeneous country and the
New World not going to happen. But there could be,
or should be, an explicit recognition that anybody who came

(02:27:57):
to the United States that this is you know, that
this is a nation that does not celebrate Duwali. You know,
it does not celebrate you know, Ramadan, we only celebrate
Christian holidays. Now I get it that, I still think
it's a tough sell. And that's why I think Orthodoxy
in the long term game is really going to be
the only option because when I look at these Indian communities,

(02:28:22):
their Hinduism is so deep. When I look at the
Muslims communities, their Islam is so deep. When I look at,
you know, the Baptist communities, they're very American, But how
deep is the religious identity Because I guarantee you when
you go in there and you talk to some of
the parishioners, their children aren't part of it. Their children
have already aposthetized, and they've gone and done their own thing,

(02:28:42):
and they're you know, the cute girls around their hot
girl summer journey, and it's like, that's not going to
compete well. The only thing that's going to compete well
is a insular community that's very explicit about its identity
and its religious devotion. And so I think there's a
future for trad casts, although I think it's going to
be harder because the Catholic Church is going to continue

(02:29:04):
to go in the direction it's going. But the Orthodox
I think it's the only way out. I think that's
why more and more people are flocking to it, because
if there is an America, let's say there is a
Great War, as some speculated, and you know, the American
experiment is essentially restarted. The Orthodox families that have tons

(02:29:25):
of children, that are very explicit and are not secular.
And I mean when I mean secular, I mean they
do not promote secularism or believe in secularism. I think
that's the way forward.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
I completely agree, completely. So going back to what you
asked Roscoe, I wanted to say, I don't think it's
either the Muslim or the Jew. Of course they are.

Speaker 4 (02:29:46):
Enemies of Christ.

Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
But I think that the problem, that the immediate problem
is the liberal that allows them to do whatever they want.
I think the problem is the liberal that says liberalism
and Christianity are compatible, or the liberal that says liberalism
comes from Christianity, or the Christian that says, my Christianity
is perfectly in lae with liberalism. That's like not only

(02:30:12):
in terms of what needs to change, I think, but
also like the inner liberal that we have in our
own in our own let's say history, because at least
from my perspective. I come from a Catholic country that
was very steep and Enlightenment philosophy, and I would say
that I carry all the baggage of let's say, the

(02:30:33):
wrong theology of Cathologism, but which I never watch. By
the way, I was never actually Catholic. And I also
carry all of the the mistakes that the Enlightenment andthropology
taught My parents thought every like my grandparents, how to
I would think about the world and how to treat

(02:30:54):
other people. So we have to kill the inner liberal
as well, we have to repent.

Speaker 1 (02:30:58):
But yeah, no, I agree with that. I think Christ
is the only I would say, you know, to use
your analogy, I guess, to kill the inner liberal dying
for Christ or you know, finding a faith that, if pressed,
you had the strength to be a martyr for Christ.

(02:31:21):
That's the only thing that we have is resistance. And
so I think, you know, getting away from not just
classical liberalism and the liberal presuppositions, but any form of
compromised Christianity. It's just it's not gonna it's not gonna suffice.
And honestly, I think that's why Mormons are going to
do well. I think Mormonism is going to grow in America.

(02:31:43):
I think one of the reasons why Orthodoxy needs to
evangelize and do continue to do a lot of more
Mormon apologetics is, you know, for one reason another they're
their community is insular, and they're able to you know,
there is a huge conversion rate or you know, people
leaving and then and then people converting. So it's kind

(02:32:03):
of staying stagnant. But I could see it growing in
the United States just because it's more of a solid
communal identity than most you know, Baptists or Reformed ministries.

Speaker 4 (02:32:16):
Yes, put in perspective, what is it so for the
Boomer generation point five percent of American Boomers or Orthodox
one point five percent, one point five percent of gen
Z Americans or Orthodox. So there is definite growth that's happening.
And you know the phrases I haven't said, it's altered
before thrown temple, before palace. There's a lot of groundwork

(02:32:39):
that needs to be done. And in terms of I
know people, I've used the examples of you know, recomquist
of Spain or Russia as well, when they threw off
the Mongol yoke. In both cases they reproduced their way
out of their out of the problem that was where
most of the war was fought, where they were literally having,
you know, double the number of children that the invaders
were having. You can see the same thing even in

(02:32:59):
the twentieth centre. So like the British, they call an
ice Fiji and they flooded Fiji with a whole lot
of Hindus where it was overwhelmingly Hindu. And today Fiji's
is again majority Fijian. And it's because the Fijians they
had converted to in their case, they converted to Methodism
as a whole people, and they've reproduced their way to
where they are now. They now have the majority of
their islands back.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
Yeah, suck duck said. Honorary mentioned the Amish. Yeah, you're right,
the Amish. The Amish are going to be here and
they're not going to have the autism rates that the
rest of the general population is going to have. Stop
taking your tailing all pregnant women. So anyways, you guys
have anything else do you want to say before wrapping

(02:33:40):
up here? All right, Well, God bless everyone, Thank you
all for being here, Thank for you for everyone who's
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