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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's not logically possible that it could be false.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
No, because logic would entail that it's superior to all
the other religious orientations. I'm not gonna let you put
me in a hypothetical in which I could say that
something that I truly deeply believed to be true could
be false.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
What's really kind of getting the views?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's orthodoxy because we welcome the criticists or kick the
tires debate us. We welcome it because we think that
we have the superior position.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Those the hell.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
The whole.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I got a question for you, and then we're gonna work.
We do have to move off the religious stuff. But
so your religious study scholar, uh, is it logically possible?
And just I have very pro Christian sentiments. I'm not
stating anything like that this is the case, But is
it logically possible that Christianity could be false?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, I would argue if you utilize logic and you
begin to analyze different systems, so obviously atheism is already
out because a materialistic framework doesn't allow for objective epistemology
and objective morality. They're all cultural construction, so therefore relative,
and therefore they can change.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
So I'm not smart enough. Can you like, remember like
I'm not the you explain like I'm five.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
All right, So then well you're asking me to defend
a retire religious orientation, and that's going to take a
few bigger words than maybe two syllables. But by the way,
I'm not saying it it is false false. I'm just
asking if logically it's possible that it could be. I

(01:51):
would say, if you utilize logic to the endpoint, it's
the only paradigm that makes knowledge, objective, morality, and any
coherent metaphysical world makes sense. And so when people do
apologetics against something like Islam, we are then using the
laws of logic to analyze, Okay, this is the God
that you worship, does it violate things or does it

(02:12):
become incoherent or self contradictory? And so from a Christian perspective,
we would say, well, we can deal with this. And
the entire history of apologetics is showing that actually, if
we use reason, and we use logic, and we use
even natural observation, we can make the case that our
faith is actually superior and we're the only one that
claims that God came into the world. So out of

(02:33):
all the world religions. It's only Christianity that says God
actually took on human nature so that we then can
participate in divinity. All of them still has a barrier
between how exactly does me as an individual engage with
God something that's totally transcendent. And I would say only
Christianity actually fully bridges that because God became man.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
But could is it so? No? No, logically no, no,
it's not logically possible. Well that it could be false answer.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I would say, yeah, no, because logic would entail that
it's superior to all the other religious orientations.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And then I wanted to ask, could there be some circumstance,
like if it was proven to you, Like, for example,
let's say you could time travel to the past and
it's a perfect time machine, there's nothing faulty with it,
and it is you know, there's theories about like different timelines,

(03:32):
different universes, stuff like that, but our current timeline, assuming
you could travel back to our specific universe, our specific timeline,
it is a perfect time machine.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And you witnessed yourself that say the story told of Jesus.
Let's say it's not it's not accurate. There is no
resurrection none of the miracles described in the Bible occurred,
the healing miracles, nature miracles, exorcisms, resurrections. If you witnessed
it yourself, and this is a hypothetical, would you still like,

(04:09):
would you still be a Christian?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, I would say that the question is already it's
filled with the answer. So you're saying, theoretically, you're saying,
if it's all false and you saw it's false, do
you believe it's false? And it's like, well, you've already
asked me a leading question that I can't actually have
a different opinion.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Because you've already said it's okay, then everything's false, and
then you know it's false, would you believe it's false?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And it's like, well, you just put me in a
position and where you characterize the whole thing is wrong.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So there is no out on that.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
But that would only be a discrepancy in terms of Jesus.
Would you still believe that there could be a God?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean, yeah, there could be a generic deity, but yeah,
I mean obviously I'm Christian because I've kick the tires.
I think that's the difference between Christian and some of
these other systems that it welcomes criticism, and I think
Orthodoxy in particular has a long history. It's a two
thousand year old church founded by the Apostles, split with

(05:11):
Catholicism in ten fifty four, and it's maintained that structure
the whole time, and it now still exists in twenty
twenty five, unchanged in many ways. So in my opinion,
we welcome criticism. I think that's why when you look
online and you see who the best debaters and what's
really kind of getting the views, it's Orthodoxy because we
welcome the criticism or kick kick the tires debate us.

(05:34):
We welcome it because we think that we have the
superior position.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
But yeah, I guess my question is going back to
my previous question. Though, if it's logically possible that it
could be false under this hypothetical scenario where you could
time travel back in time, it's a perfect time machine.
It is the same universe. There's not any like funky
you know, stuff going on with like multiverse whatever. And

(05:58):
you know you saw with your own eyes there was
no you know, no resurrection, et cetera. Would it under
that purview, wouldn't it then be logically possible that Christianity
could be false, but you.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't think a time travel is logically possible, So
you're telling me logically possible. Give me let me give
you a illogical hypothetical and then say it's false. Could
it then be logically false? There are some I'm within
the framework. I just disagree with the way you're framing it.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
I think it's so smart for you.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I think it's pretty smart.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't think you're I don't think you're following along
with anything that is just not going to let you
by the way, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I know, I know you're just doing it as a
thought experience.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
But I'm not going to let you put me in
a hypothetical in which I could uh say that something
that I truly deeply believed to be true could be
false because I've again, I've lived a very different lifestyle
before I became Orthodox, and I was very much into psychedelics,
I was very much into progressivism and you know, living
a contemporary American lifestyle. And so I've done those things

(07:08):
and I got out of it due to questioning and
trying to come to concrete solutions and answers, and so
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well you said that it's based on belief, so belief
is different from logic, right, so.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Right, But again, belief can still be built on rational,
logical principles. Just because I can you know, you believe
that you're going to exist tomorrow, it doesn't mean you
can't make a logical and rational argument why you'll still
exist tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Can I ask you a question?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, so you believe in hell and heaven? Right of course.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Okay, So if someone is not religious and they live
their life entirely without God or anything, where do they
end up when they die?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So, as Orthodox, we do not make claims about people's salvation.
What we would say is that God judges. There's an
objective morality. Right, this is the teachings of Christ. We'd say,
that's just written in stone. Fact, that's what everybody's judged
on because Christ had a perfect human heart.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
All of our hearts, which is really who we are.
That's what's going to be held up.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
To the light of Christ. So let me finish. I'm
going to answer your question, I promise. So we would
say everybody gets judged within their context. So for example,
say there's an old lady who's a Protestant who has
lived a very again from all standards, a very pious
and righteous life. But she's not Eastern Orthodox. But I

(08:25):
believe to be the one true church founded by the
Apostles that still is unchanged. Do I think she's going
to go to hell? No, God's going to judge her
in her context. And I don't know the fate of
her soul. That's outside my pay grade. What we say
is we are the fullness. If you want the fullness
of Christianity and the historical faith, that's us everything out there.
So again, like the Taoist monk on Wudong Mountain in

(08:45):
China who's doing.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Tai chi every morning, is he going to hell? Well?
How again?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
How can I make claims about salvation when he hasn't
heard about Christ? And that's where when you ask, you
shall receive. When you want to know the truth and
the truth, he'll set you free. The problem, the difficult
thing that people don't realize is God will give you
the answers. If you really have a question you're struggling with,
and you pray about it sincerely, you'll get the answer.
The question is what are you gonna do with that?

(09:11):
Because now you are held guilty if you reject it.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm very like religious and is
a big thing for me because I respect all religions
I am have across my way. I'm not religious, but
I do respect every religion and I don't want to
choose one as my own until I fully study and understand,
because I think a lot of people go into religions
as like their parents are religious and they're born into it.
And I feel like you as yourself should believe in

(09:36):
it yourself. But I also feel like the world is
so crazy, like like in the science world right, like
how we're literally on a floating rock and all this
stuff is happening, Like God, to me can be real
because everything else is unbelievable to me, Like how is
all this stuff real that we can see?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Actually? You know what's interesting to me? One of the
one of the very compelling arguments is the fine tuning argument.
I actually think that's it. It's a strong argument for
the potential existence of agon.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
So this idea that the sorry, let me explain it,
give me, give me a chance.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I'm gonna have you come in with the with the dunk,
with the assist all right, I'll be your idea that
the the uh basis God damn, they're laughing at me
and ship, what the fuck the it's been like it's
been a year since I've heard the fine tuning argument.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
The fuck it?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay, go ahead, so find what happened there.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, the fine tuning argument essentially when when you look
at the cosmological situation that allows life to persist on
the planet, it is so fine tune that if you
changed any one thing, life couldn't exist. But we're told
that the Big Bang again, it was thirteen point eight
billion I think a year or two ago. They then
upped it because there was a statistical mathema problems with

(11:00):
the idea of just Darwini and macro evolution, which is
total random selection. Actually, if you just did the statistics,
that would not be enough time for all random possibilities
to actually present us to the present moment. And so
we saw that based on their cosmology, that the universe
has now been upgrade. I think it was like twenty
eight billion years is what they're arguing now. But the
point is, the fine tuning of life to exist on

(11:23):
this planet is so precise that how could that possibly
be totally random based on what we're told by secular cosmology.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
That's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, I had that in the back. It was really
got there.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
I have a question, So going back to what you said,
like where you know, so you're Orthodox, and like if,
like she said, if you're not religious, like where would
you go? Right, Heaven or Hell? And so you know,
this is like my best friend right here, lindsay, and
then you know we both do the same work and

(11:57):
she is one of like the best people that I know,
And like, I'm a good person. So where do you
think we're going?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, based on what standard is a good person? So
again my standard is Jesus Christ. Right, So that's the.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Just in the day to day like we.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Are okay, well, but you can be you can be
a really nice person. I don't I won't even debate
you on that. Maybe you are one of the nicest people,
and maybe you're a really good friend. But again, day
to day, how are you lining up with trying to
strive to be like Jesus Christ? And that then calls
into question like objective morality, of objective ethics, these types

(12:33):
of things. And I would never make a claim about
you particular, but we can certainly make claims about behaviors.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So Christianity, this is where I get, like this feminized
Christianity where you can't criticize behavior. It's ridiculous, like that
is not what Christ did in the gospel. They cherry
pick a quote here that says, oh, well, you know
he said just love everybody. Well, that's not what the
gospel says. The Gospel is very clear on what things
we should and shouldn't do. And so when somebody transgresses

(13:01):
those behaviors, you can call them out. Doesn't mean you
then claim what their salvation is or the state of
their soul, or the interiority of who they are as
a person.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
We can't know those things. Only God does.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But with what you've been given and the knowledge that
you have, you will be judged. And the Saint Paul says,
the law has already been written on your heart.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
So deep down this is where you know.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Even if somebody never heard of Jesus, but and maybe
they live in a tribe down in the Amazon, but
they participate in cannibalism, in human sac like, those things
are just naturally violate. You have to be desensitized to
those things for them to become normal. And so that's
because God's already written morality on our heart.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
We know it.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And that's why we try to preserve innocence in children
and women because they're closer to that structure. They can
feel when it's transgressed.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
But when you.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Violate the purity and you get rid of the purity,
how you're so desensitized to things that you can't feel
like when actually transgressions occur.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, and that's what's happening now is we have so
many women who affected negatively physically from men and children
as well. You expect them to be able to grow
up and still abide by the same morals that did
not protect them. So, like those examples set.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm not in favor of defending any man that violates
a woman or a child in a sexual manner. I
think we should have especially children. I'm not against capital punishment.
I mean, those people need to be like that is
a sickness that is in Christ says like those people
deserve a millstone like you did not. I think that

(14:39):
it's a sickness in regards to society. I'm not going
to make a claim about you two as individual people,
I don't know your lives. I don't know your content. Again,
I don't know the teriity of your life. God does, though,
and you guys know that God does. And so if
you feel convicted about things, that's the Holy Spirit. And
I do believe that the more you send, the more
the Holy Spirit leaves you. I mean, And as an

(15:00):
Orthodox Christian, we believe in these uncreated energies. So things
like love, truth, logic, mercy, compassion, honor, we believe these
are actual energies from God. And that's how we engage
with him directly, Like directly, there's no media that it's
if I am loving and compassionate and I'm led by
logic and reason and I'm pursuing truth like I am

(15:20):
moving towards Christ.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And so.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
When the more we participate in sin, the more we
dissipate those energies in us. And that's why sin is death,
because without God's energies, how could you live. God sustains
all life, He is the source of that. That's actually
another uncreated energy. So if God's energy are totally a
base and absent within you, you are filled with death.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that's what sin is.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
That's interesting, but.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Wait, I have a question for you. Would it be
So there's certain advancements in technology. I've heard of this
thing called cryonics, where essentially because for example, the point
of death, at least from a medical context, has kind
of shifted over time. For example, if somebody's stopped breathing,

(16:12):
that doesn't actually necessarily mean like perhaps historically if they
stopped breathing, doesn't necessarily mean that they have actually died,
for example, like they could have I don't know, some
medical thing could have happened, and now we're able to
keep people alive. I think typically now it's when there's
brain death is when I think the medical community considers

(16:34):
it actual death. With cryonics, essentially, what they're doing is
upon death, they freeze the person they like, inject them
with some stuff, and then they freeze them and keep
them in this sort of frozen state, with the hopes
that currently there's no such technology to revive people. But

(16:55):
perhaps in the future there will be our view of
what what is death perhaps could change through means of technology.
But I have a sense, perhaps under the Christian worldview,
that this would be some sort of I don't know this,
maybe it's a blasphemy or something to essentially keep people

(17:18):
iced on ice and then one day when the technology
would allow for it to revive them. What are your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
So I would say it's a form of a it's
like an inverted form of resurrection. And so what you're
referring to, like our Core Life Extension.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
This is CORE.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's the leading cryonics research place in the United States.
It's in Scottsdale, Arizona. It's led by Max Moore, who's
kind of the one of the leading philosophers regarding transhumanism.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
And so my.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Academic work is critical of transhumanism. That's what I talk about,
and I view it as a satanic and version of christiananity,
this idea that you will become God or you're a
good night with God through the machine, and which is
the AI, which is the synthient AI and the singularity
that they're waiting for. And so when you're talking about
these cryonics, like Bill Gates has already purchased his cryonics
and so really big billionaires and tech moguls are going

(18:07):
to the alcore and right before they die, as Brian said,
they get put in extremely low temperatures to preserve their
body and the hope is in the future we're going
to have the ability to replace their biological parts with
synthetic parts and bring them back to life. I personally
think it's philosophically flawed because I don't believe that you
can exchange neurons with the hardware of an AI system

(18:33):
and that you preserve the same person. And it has
to do with their philosophy on what actually the person is,
and they believe as long as.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
The functions it's called functionalism.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's a theory of mine that if, for example, your
computer you can do two plus two equals four, the computer.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Can do that, I can do it.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
In my head, functionalism said, well, then they're equal in
their sense of capacity. And so the way that they're
defining sentient AI is as long as it can do
the functions that a human can do, then it's.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Equivalent in their worldview.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just don't believe, because I believe that we're made
in the image of God, that even the possibility of
the resurrection through cryonics that they prostlytize, I view.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
It as a form of satanism.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
It's kind of locking people into this anticipation, in this
false worldview that they can actually be preserved and they
can live forever. This is the whole narrative of the
singularity and transhumanism.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Just a curiosity there that kind of came to my
mind from that previous chat. We have, Pasty George. Science
has found that atoms make up everything in our reality,
and that it has a frequency or vibration inside of
the atom. But science has yet to discover what is
inside of the atom. Where he says continued, and he
follows it up with many indigenous peoples in each tribe

(19:45):
beat the sacred drum because it is supposed to represent
the sound or heartbeat of creation. How did they know
about the atom? By the way, Pasty George is our
resident Canadian First Nations individual. And I think show, or
maybe it was the show before they granted me an
honorary tribal name. It was called Walks with Burritos, I think,

(20:08):
or what.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Was it squatting Dog? No, what was its name?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Burrito Walker Walks with Burritos. Okay, I actually have a
burrita on the refrigerator. So, Pasty George, if you do
champagne pop, I'll eat the burrita on stream. I don't
if somebody.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
If did you.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Were you wanting to weigh in on the atom thing
or I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
In regard to yeah, I would totally agree. As an
orthodox Christian, just Christian in general. Christ is the word
that you know in Greek, that's the logos, which has
more of a context than just like the spoken word.
But He is the word of God, and so we
do believe that God spoke the world into existence, and
that language actually has a supernatural power. This is something
that differentiates us from animals. Animals can communicate, they do

(20:54):
not have higher order language. This is a unique phenomenon
to us as humans. And so I would say this
is a ability that we participate in God that co
creation demands the ability to use language. And so when
he's talking about something like simatics, that's kind of what
he's getting at is that sound itself has sacred geometrical
patterns and that the structure of reality actually tied with

(21:15):
like an undergirding vibration. In Hinduism or the Vedic tradition Buddhism,
they talk about ome. And so this concords with a
Christian worldview because Christ is the word.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
He speaks the world into existence.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
All right, we have red fox here thinking of the
super chat Red Fox doctor David Patrick. Harry, you already
helped so many of me, included, I pray that the
women hear the message and understand you actually venerate women question.
Does your back hurt since you have been doing the
heavy lifting this weekend's Christ is king and.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's why I work out Red Fox. But do appreciate
it though God bless brother
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