Daystar's Mega Wealth- Two Investigators Tell All!

My two guests have been following the Daystar money trail for years. Listen to what they've discovered.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Long for Truth podcast. I'm Robin long
join my husband Dan and I as we explore the
roots of the early Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and we
shine a light on false doctrines and false teachers in
the modern church. Let's get started.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everyone, Welcome Along for Truth. My name is Daniel
long Well. We have been covering the day Star scandal
now for a week or so week and a half
and we've made four videos on the spiritual abuse, the
alleged sexual abuse, the cult like tactics, and the fact

(00:40):
that day Star's foundation is cracking. Well, today we are
going to talk about the money. We are going to
be following the money trail because my guest, I've invited
two gentlemen on from the Trinity Foundation and they are experts,
and I mean experts following the money and when you

(01:01):
see just how much day Star is raking in, if
you're a donor, if you're someone who has been giving
regularly to day Star, this video is going to hopefully
cause you to never give another dime to these crooks again.
So let me introduce my guests now from the Trinity Foundation,

(01:25):
Pete Evans and Barry Bowen, Pete, Barry, thank you so
much for joining me.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Guys, it's our pleasure. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
All right, So let's talk about what you guys do there.
Why don't you just introduce each one of you, introduce
yourself and talk a little bit about what you do
there at the Trinity Foundation.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Okay, I'm Pete Evans. I'm president of Trinity Foundation and
longtime investigator for decades here and sort of the chief investigator.
And we're both license private investigators, and we have a
company license here in Texas. And this is Barry. And

(02:08):
Barry has a PI license as well, and he's been
with us for as an employee close to five years
or five years now and before that a volunteer investigator
for at least fourteen years before that as well. So

(02:30):
we investigate, we use everything we can, we most. It
all comes down to the most information that we get
is from public sources, and Barry is very good at that.
In the past, we've done trash runs. I've done hundreds

(02:51):
of dumpsters and dug out more than I care to remember,
and that's the really terrible ones, really really step. But anyway, Barry,
once you talk about what just a brief what interested you.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I started helping out at Triney Foundation in the early
two thousands.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I was running religious news website.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Christian Headlines, and I would come across articles about religious
fraud on a regular basis. Started emailing Pete and Ollie Anthony,
who was then president of the foundation. Basically I helped
with both of us help with our newsletter. We send
out about three or four articles a month. We also

(03:39):
post those articles to our website. We tried to do
data journalism.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Data journalism is seeing the bigger picture. It's creating data
sets of information. So we explanatory journalism.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, we samined hundreds of ninety nineties to follow the
money trail. We're tracking currently close to seventy aircraft, so
we know where the televanists are flying to another ministry
aircraft are going.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
We look up their.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Million dollar mansions to document their lifestyles, how they live.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Therey has created this document that's over four hundred pages
long with with pastor's mansions and pages and uh it's uh,
it's disturbing in a way. If you look at Jesus himself,
the son of man has no price to rest his head. Uh.

(04:36):
You look at the disciples when they are healing right
out of the gate silver and gold, have we none
but such as we have give give it, give it
to you. And so uh. The the path, the message
that it sends is totally wrong. It just it bugs us.

(05:00):
The pastor jet to put the you know, the mansions,
the jets of bluxury cars. The pastor should be speaking
from a low place, not lording it over as congregation,
as a rich one or a member of the richest crowd,
but as as somebody willing to give you his last

(05:23):
ten dollars in his wallet at least if you need
it to eat or whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So you talked about following the
money trail. Let's follow the money trail a little bit
with day Star. So describe if you would day Star now.
Like I said, we've been covering day Star now since
this whole scandal has taken place, but just on your

(05:50):
guys and you guys have been investigating day Star for
a while. Describe day Star for viewers if you would please.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Okay, we started actually we started investigating day Star in
the late nineties and it was sort of a mom
and pop organization back then, run by Marcus and Joony
Lamb and they they started uh purchasing television stations. They
started putting themselves on cable networks over time and they

(06:22):
are They quickly became the world's second largest Christian television network.
I hate to call on that because they the prosperity
gospel since totally the wrong message. It's really, uh, the
the opposite of the gospel. So I've done trash runs.

(06:43):
We were looking through loads of trash just a week
or two ago, and uh that uh just from the
hormone creams that Joni was selling to uh to the
first times that they when noticed that creatures were getting
jets and well maybe we should get a jet too.

(07:05):
We've never had a jet and uh so Uh anyway, Uh,
day Star is full of people who prophesy uh just
whatever can get them on the air, what people want
to hear. They're tickling people's ears. For the most part,

(07:28):
Day Star is a trade name. The official name of
the organization is Word of God Fellowship. Oh yeah, it's important.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
So when you try to follow the money trail, you
need to know the proper names of the companies or
nonprofit organizations. So that's the pleasure place to start. Word
of God fellowship is considered a church.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
By the I R. S or by the tax code?
Is it really church? I would say church and name only. Yeah,
you developed an acronym for that, right right, right, yeah,
imitating the Republican and name allly. But we're trying to
stay completely a whip from politics, I have to tell

(08:15):
you that. But anyway, the idea of it being a
church is just totally baffled. Baffled me at first. A
television network with a reach that is now practically worldwide
that calls itself a church. And so we did a

(08:40):
back in twenty four, twenty eleven or twelve. Barry can
help you with the timing here. There were four women
that three women that sued Today Star because they weren't
permitted to They were hired on the basis they wouldn't
divorce or have any affairs. And Marcus had just come

(09:03):
off of a long time affair with the program director
of day Star and you know, somebody not jooning in
other words, so he when finally when they realized, when
Jony and Marcus realized it was going to be public,
they came on the air and he said, you know,
I'm seeking forgiveness blah blah blah. These three women suit

(09:25):
and eventually a suit was ended in a tie, so
to speak. There wasn't any real resolution except for the
fact that during the lawsuit a lot of financial information
came out about day Star and UH and it was
improperly sealed by the judge and when he realized it

(09:46):
came up for a hearing, which we found out about,
and we had a lawyer that represented us pro bono
and he went into the courtroom fully armed with emotion
to uh reveal all the court records, including the financial
records that came out in the middle of of the
court case that we're talking about. And the one of

(10:11):
the quotes probably won't get it exactly right, but UH,
in the in the motion to the judge that was
read in court is they star a squaw church but
they waddled business. So anyway, and that that's what our
next article is going to come out about. UH. If

(10:31):
very few one other thing, UH tell them about the
story that came out of it.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
We are working on an investigative article about day Stars
business practices, unrelated business income and other revenue of course
since and that will be revealed in a future article.
There is really disturbing and from that's going to come out.
We don't want to exactly real all right now, right

(11:04):
because the article's not written yet.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
But one of the things that happened in twenty fourteen
is NPR contacted US National Polk Radio wanted to do
a story and we said, why don't you do it
on day Star. We have financial information and they're one
of the few folks that we do have financial information.
Just for everybody's sake, churches don't have to reveal any

(11:28):
financial information at all. They're completely exempted from what all
other nonprofits have to do. Churches and religious organizations. But
what came out of it was that we had a
recording of Marcus Slam saying Day Star has given thirty
million dollars to charity. We had them saying that crowd

(11:51):
is cheering and everything, but the financial records only showed
nine million dollars to charity. Uh and uh so later
what day Star came back and said, well, we consider
our broadcast around the world that's charity because we're giving
our broad and that was just kind of like yeah,

(12:17):
so uh so various going to there were some other
things are build in those documents obtained from the court.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
One of the key discoveries was how much Joanie and
Marcus were receiving in housing allowances. A clergy housing allowance
is tax exempt. It's a unique tax exemption available to
church leaders. And they received almost one point seven million

(12:51):
dollars in housing allowances over ten year period. This is
what allows televangelists in some cases to own airy expensive mansions.
And speaking of that, you you said, we're let's follow
the money.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
So they are. So Joni Lamb owns a mansion that
she and Marcus lived in, and we can send you
some drome footage of the if you'd like to have
a clip of that.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
That would be great. Yeah, that would be that would
be really good.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Uh. Then they got uh, then she's built another house
on the same street, multi million dollar house. Then uh,
they've got a lake house. Joni has a lake house.
Produce Lake Grandeur and Granberry, Texas. And then she and

(13:42):
Doug Weiss recently bought a year ago or so, they
bought a condo at high rise condo overlooking the go
from Mexico and Destin and County. Next to that, okay,
next to this, Yeah, so uh, there's there's four properties.
They fly in a gulf Stream five fifty jet that

(14:06):
we estimated would be was worth at the time of
purchase around eleven million dollars back in twenty twenty, right
at the start of COVID when they bought it. And uh,
and then they dropped some pretty nice cars range over.
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Let me add that Johnny's husband, Doug, also has the
home from his prior marriage.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
So that's wow. That's yeah. So between them, they're they're
they're not poor by any means. I I think that
that there's a scripture in Isaiah Isaiah chapter one and two,
if anybody wants to look at it, where the lofty

(14:52):
will be brought low. And when I when I saw
when I read the transcript of the the interview that
Jonathan Lamb recorded with himself and Joni and Jimmy Evans
and his wife Susie, I thought, wow, I mean, it

(15:16):
just took me back. It's like I'm the voice of
God to you, and Jimmy saying that she's the voice
of God to you. Jonathan, Well, I think that was
I can't imagine a more place that's completely the opposite
of humility, that's a completely the opposite of taking the

(15:40):
lower seat. I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, and and and one of the things I want
to let you guys know too. And I don't know
if you saw the last video that my wife and
I did on this topic, but I went through. So
I went through the video that you're talking talking about
there the audio conversation that Joni and Jimmy Evans had

(16:06):
with Jonathan Zuzi, and I just opened up the transcript
type command FN and typed in the words submit to
because I kept hearing that word over and over in
that and that audio transcript or that I'm sorry the
audio file, So I typed in the word submit and
minus the word submit in the comments. There was over

(16:30):
ninety times that word was said in that conversation, which
is about an hour and a half, and that's what
about a minute, that's about once a minute or so
that they were telling that the words submit. You guys
need to submit. You just got to submit. You got
to submit and submit or else or submit her leave
or or whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
So I mean, yeah, now I understand the boss is
in charge, but I also I think it was very abusive.
I am am a boss, and I don't remember ever
once except for joking, perhaps asking to submit to me.

(17:10):
Of course he's a great employee. I just asked for
something generally he doesn't. But I just I can't imagine
somebody trying to force somebody so hard and in this case,
to sign a non disclosure agreement. You can't what you know? Well,
why why why does a television network have to have

(17:32):
to have a non disclosure agreement? They should be totally
fully transparent. Believers are are are transparent? We screw up,
I screw up, very screws up. Uh. We we're sinners. Uh,
we're uh if we believe Romans three. Uh, there's none Rochester, No,
not one. The hearts are we're talking about the human

(17:55):
race here. Our hearts are full of venom. We uh.
And everybody that went into that meeting that day had
had an agenda. But I'm going to say that the uh,
the ones that that were sitting in the power seat
were very they were they were over overreaching their authority.

(18:21):
Complete Pete.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
When you were doing some dumpster diving for day Star,
you found some documents that day Star gave a twenty
million dollar loan to Gateway Church. Can you just talk
about that for a moment.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, I found that. Well, we didn't know at the
time that Marcus Lamb and Robert Morris were close friends.
But we found an uh pages over one hundred pages
of documents that referenced this loan today to yeah, the

(19:01):
Gateway Church, and and it referenced other loans as well
from other organization other banks. Uh, there was a Prosperity
Bank involved in in there, another bank I can't remember.
It's not the only church loan we found from day Star.

(19:23):
We found another one to another church as well. Like
it was more like a three million dollar loan that
day Star was kind of like having to foreclose on
this small church. But uh, anyway, back to Gateway, this
was when they were building their campus. Uh in right

(19:44):
right in west Lake or right outside right across the
highway from Westlook, yeah, right south So it was in
south Lake, but very close to Westlake, which is one
of those are some of the wealthiest communities in the
United States, very very good place if you're going to
build a church to get you know, high quality. If
a millionaire is going to tie ten percent of his income, boom,

(20:07):
You've got one hundred thousand dollars a year from that
one one fellow if he gets a million a year.
But uh, yeah, I found a twenty million dollar loan.
We pieced it, I taped it together, I started, I
takeed dozens of pages together. A lot of people.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Don't realize this because they don't have never examined church
financial statements or nine nineties. But regular nonprofits file a
form nine ninety. It shows total revenue, total expenses. There's
a breakdown of revenue page. And if day Star filed

(20:46):
that document, people would show how much money they made
from these loans. But they don't provide that information to.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Their donors, right, or the fact that they're even loaning
the money in the first place, to to to as
acting as a bank using the huge amount of donor
money that comes in to make more money. And you
know it's the wise financial thing. But the uh why

(21:16):
not why not help the poor? Why why not spend
money on uh on helping the indigence in your community
almost the poor?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Exactly exactly. So, guys, I have Barry. You sent me
several links to some websites, So I'd like to share
my screen now and go over and take a look
at some of these websites and just have you walk
walk me through some stuff. There's one interesting one that
I want to show you. Say, do you mind if
we do that? Take a look at the websites? Okay, great, great,

(21:51):
So this is the first one here, day Star Television
Network Information founded by Marcus Land. Now if you look
down here, if you can see that's huge right there,
one hundred and fourteen million dollars in revenue. And this
is the website Rocket Research. But uh can you can
you can you talk a little bit about that?

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Or this is from rocket Reach.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's a data Rocket Reach market research company. Yea, they
colect data from the organizations themselves. So this is an
curate assessment of day Stars financial revenue.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah wow, wow wow wow? Then you sent me uh
this here? This is how Lensy ministries. Now this is
really interesting because how Lendsy has a program on day Star.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Correct correct?

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay? So this is is is it? Can you can
you walk me through this?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Uh? Here? Sure?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
On the very first page of a NU it gets
some critical information. It tells how many board members there are,
and then how many independent board members there are. That's
critical or if you've got a executive who's paid a
whole lot if it if there's compensation is approved by

(23:18):
their own employees. There's a lack of accountability there. Who's
gonna who's gonna tell their boss what they should be making?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
You know, an independent.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Committee, right right, and so happened.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I'm sorry, no, no, I was.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Gonna go go go right ahead, and I'll.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Ask you just say if there's unrelated business income or not,
and so that's critical. Unrelated business income can be taxed.
This is revenue that has nothing to do with the
mission of the organization. Sometimes a nonprofit will have own
a building that they rent part of it out, or
rent their parking garage, or make other forms of generated

(24:03):
revenue that's taxable.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, that's something that we look at. You'll see total
revenue and total expenses also on that first page.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
On the first page up here, okay, yep, to.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
The bottom there they hel lindsay brought in they're brought in. Well,
they recorded a minus minus income that for twenty twenty three.
They can you scroll back up just a hair Okay,
they brought in their total revenue two million and eighty

(24:40):
seven thousand UH in the current year, a little slightly
more than the previous year. Now scroll back down a
little bit and they they spent over three million. Well
they must have had because their total assets they have
plenty of assets. Look they've got or their ass has

(25:01):
decreased by about one and a half million or one
point three million. But anyway, they they certainly are not
hurting for money. What you'll see where that money goes
in just a moment. We'll get to that.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, okay, So but when you keep scrolling down, there's
gonna be other pages that ask questions about the organization.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
The IRS uses this to just.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Know more about the organization, like, for example, does the
organization of a whistle law policy? Do they have financial
accounts in other countries? But there's some of the things
that are on the nine to ninety.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, you keep keep scrolling if you want, keep scrolling
until we get to the officers page. Okay, after all
this more more about day Star now, but you've got
a little bit more. You're on the right page, a
little down, a little bit further. There you go. So

(25:59):
is why I made how much? One? Two? Okay, there
you go.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
So this was normally considered excessive compensation for a nonprofit.
There is an.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Excise acts that can be charged on a paid required
for the nonprofit to pay for employees that get over
a million dollars. That loophole. It does not apply to
independent contractors, and it does not apply to ministries, churches,

(26:38):
religious organization. Yeah, if they're given to another church. So
in that year, it looks like Hall Lindsay himself together
with compensation from a related organization, made over four hundred thousand.
So between the two over one six million. And then
this person here, Arry, do you know who this one is?

(27:01):
You know is whether it mean so could be you're.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Talking about that. You're talking about Scott Workman here, Brenda
Brenda Brenda DeVore. Okay, you don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Oftentimes they'll hire family members, so we'll need to research that.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
But so we're working on an article or planning to
publish tomorrow morning. It's going to reveal total compensation for
Helendsay and his wife over an eleven year period. For
eleven years in a row, the family this couple received

(27:41):
over a million dollars and million dollars in compensation wow
each year, each year, So the total was almost nineteen
million dollars for the eleven year period.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Boy, I tell you there there's these guys are just
raking in the money. So very you were telling me,
we were talking on the phone earlier, and you were
telling me that, well, of course, any any any anybody
that wants to get on day Stars got to pay airtime.
So you mentioned that there is a fee that how

(28:14):
Lindsey was paying to be on day Star. How much
was that?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
It was over three hundred eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So let's let's let's say that let's talk about somebody
like kreflow Dollar and and others who have airtime. Who
else is on there? You have kreflow Dollar, the Joyce Meyer,
who who Joe Joel Sunday.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Mornings I think nine a m. Central. Robert Jeffers so
first has a Sunday program.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Well people don't know this, but the peak time for
TV viewing for religious television is on Sundays Someday. There
are people that they don't go to church that morning,
so they're they'll just tune in on TV. So that's
their prime time for religious broadcasting. And so the t

(29:07):
preachers on Sundays are paying more than other preachers to
be on the air. And so you've got a bunch
of other preachers also paying these expenses. Some preachers will
have a TV show on the network Monday through Friday,
like Ken Copeland.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Said, Roth does as well, and that's two and a
half hours of you and thirty minute broadcasts each Monday
through Friday. They pay a lot for those lots as
well to do people like what about Keith Moore? Jesse
do Planets Jesse Planet h Jesse has one of the

(29:47):
largest televangelist mansions, right, it's huge. It's about back around
the square feet. Yeah, but you know, his his his,
he and his wife being a little bit a room
to move around, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
You know, so of course, of course the you know
these people are you know, this is this is how
God blesses, right, I mean right through the right through
the hands of the donors there.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So what about now that she is married to Doug Weiss,
Let's talk about that a little bit because you guys
have a program called pastor Planes. Do you want to
just give a brief overview of that and then kind
of well, we'll talk about the timeline between you know,
Marcus's death in Jonny's marriage to Doug.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I'm glad you brought that on. So Barry started noticing that,
so take it away, Barry. Yeah, okay, we found this
website ADSB Exchange. It allows us to track a jet
by its pill number. So if you ever look at
the pictures of a jet or an airplane, we'll see

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these large numbers and letters on the back of the plane.
That's the eleval of a license plate on a car.
So if you know the tail number of an aircraft,
you can track it, and there's a way to look
them up in the FAA, the General Aviation Administration Database.
Do you mind I pay interrupt for just a second.
Before in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, just when Verry started,

(31:20):
we ran we bounced this particular flight tracking database, and
we were working with Inside Edition and we worked out
on a program that revealed their vacation travel and their jet,
and so Lisa Guerrero of Inside Edition, we helped their

(31:40):
producer and Lisa and their camerman Phil get an ambush
interview of Marcus about that particular vacation. So that was
the first time that was sort of a first broadside
that now of our use of ADSB. But go ahead,

(32:03):
I'm sorry, okay, So.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
We could put in a bunch of tail numbers and
track all these jets in real time, and we've been
able to discover patterns. For example, we started noticing day
Star's jet would fly to Colorado Springs, and this was
in September of twenty twenty two. We started being able

(32:29):
to track it again.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
There were we went through over a year of not
being able to track that jet after the Inside Edition
expose aired.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
So once we started tracking it again, then about a
month later October, we tracked our first flight to Colorado
Springs and then we started seeing eventually more and more
flights there and we did.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Not know what's going on. Well, the very next year,
in March, Joni announced her engagement to Doug Weiss, Colorado
color Springs psychologist, and let there oh, oh that must

(33:09):
be goes that she must have been courting Doug wise. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, Once she announced the engagement, it filled in the
clue that we needed to explain why these flights were
taking place.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
But let us back up to provide you with a timeline.
Marcus Lamb, Joni's first husband.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
He died in November thirty thirtieth, twenty twenty one, twenty
twenty one.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
He had covid at complications. He was a diabetic. He
died from that and two months later, Doug Weiss called
for divorce from his wife Lisa.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
So that was January twenty seventh, twenty twenty two. And
because Colorado is a no fault divorce state, you don't
have to prove fault, so typically divorces in those states
are settled a lot faster. In May May, I think
it's May thirty there, May thirty. First, the divorce was

(34:18):
finalized with the divorce decree issued by the judge. So
Johnny wrote a book Through the Storm, and in that book,
her biography, autobiography, she talks about dating Doug and now
God has brought this man into her life.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
And she says that throughout the month of July they
were talking and that in the first week of August
they flew to they went to New York City chaperone
of course, and uh till till till what God. God
told Doug this is the Empire. Oh okay, yeah, In fact,

(35:00):
I think Daniel might have already known about that.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so so so so can you
imagine God telling Doug to buy Jonie a ring at
Tiffany's and then go and kiss her in front of
the Empire State Building. I just, I just it just

(35:23):
drives me insane when they.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Jesse to Plant said, God, God told me to buy
not to buy that Mercedes, but to buy this other Mercedes.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's right, That's right.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
It's it's so I wanted to talk. It's self seeking
on steroids. It's it's a picture for us believers of
UH of life apart from the cross of the wine
of frim, which is the wine of self seeking.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So guys, you guys know that they're been several YouTubers
that have received letters from I guess lawyers from day Star.
Can you talk about that a little bit? And have
you guys ever been sued at all?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
We have? We have. We were suited in the nineties
by we exposed Robert Tilton and his mailing operation. Prayers
were being thrown in the trash and we were we
were had been working with ABC in prime time Wive
and Diane Sawyer and he lost hundreds of million. Well,

(36:35):
he was getting about eighty two hundred million dollars a
year in income and that just dropped dramatically after that
expels Day and that, and he didn't like it, and
then he was he blamed it on the devil at first,
and then he cooked up with his cult in North
Carolina that was casting the devils out and I went

(36:58):
under cover and there that's a whole other story for
another another podcast. But uh so then we were sued
in the uh late two thousands by Fred Price because
we gave a clip too about Fred Price to ABC.

(37:18):
They only aired part of the clip, uh and should
have aired the whole clip, and uh that got them
in trouble and us in trouble, and uh, like Barry said,
they used a hammer cloths to uh. Our insurance company
made us settle. And then but we had all kinds

(37:40):
of information about uh Fred Price's private jet and their
trips to Hawaii and and his his uh uh Bentley's
and two Bentley's and uh uh stable of luxury cars.
Uh anyway, that's that's a whole other story. We Uh,
I don't want to go back to court, but uh

(38:03):
we've got all the proof if they want to come
after me for saying what I just said. So in
their huge mansion in uh in Hollywood but or or
or near Homewood. But anyway, so and then the third
lawsuit that uh very mentioned is we were sued by

(38:23):
Cash Luna. We we reprinted an article in Univision about
his Cash Luna for your viewers that don't know anything.
He's a prosperity gospel preacher in Guatemala with this huge
stadium size UH church. You look at the front of it.

(38:45):
It rivals any stadium and UH. And so the worst
people in UH Guatemala and uh uh are driving to
this church and clogging up the UH Pan American Highway
every every Sunday. But that he sued us because the

(39:07):
Univision article said that he had a mansion UH that
was next to the real Queen of the South, Marjorie Chacoon,
who was sort of a connection between El Chapo in
Mexico and the Colombian cartel. They would land their planes,

(39:27):
say uh. She would arrange a jungle landing strip they
would land and do the exchanges with the money and everything.
That's more about her. She later was spent time in
prison here in the US and became a state's witness

(39:48):
and probably is in a witness protection program now. But anyway,
so the uh the two cash Luna. His UH mansions
UH is on the same property as hers was, and

(40:09):
they had a common gate. Yeah, with the they shared
the common uh you know, the security code to get
in with the security guards with machine guns, you know,
and so uh so uh Luna says it said that, well,
uh he didn't really have any dealings with her. Well,

(40:33):
uh you know. And then of course they had witness
uh Univision had had witnesses. They had several witnesses that
one of them was the former drug plane pilot. Yeah,
it turned de a in formant, and the drug pilot
said that uh uh he uh he was present, he

(40:54):
was present in their meetings when she was arranging for
the transfers of the money and drug so but he
denied everything, and they suit us and they asked us
to take our story down. And uh we being a
small organization uh now wanting not having the funds to

(41:17):
fund a long, lengthy, long suit lawsuit, we eventually drew
it to a It came to a draw. Basically, we
didn't we didn't have to pay any money to them,
but we did have to pay our lawyers, and we
had to put it. We put a little disclaimer at
the front of our article saying, uh, no Cashlowna disagrees
with the facts of this article. Uh and we had

(41:40):
to agree that if Univision takes their article down, we
would take our article down. Or as we know, that
hasn't happened so uh anyway, and they did not win
their lawsuit against Univision either, so we uh every time
we get sued, our our insurance rates go up. And
that's really what what these non disclosure agreements really do

(42:07):
frighten people. I had a reporter from the La Times
tell me once that report that Christians are cowards. Well,
in some ways a lot of Christians are. But the
the thing is, if you signed a non disclosure agreement,
they can keep you in court for a long time, uh,

(42:31):
tied up in court for whatever information you reveal. So
these non disclosure agreements are they're evil in my opinion.
Back and add some things about the Univision lawsuit. Uh.
Caslan the first food Univision for Bibel and he stued

(42:52):
in Florida and a state court that was thrown out
or actually I think it was a county court. I
think he first filed.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
It was thrown out because Florida has an anti slap
law SLAP that's an acronym slapp.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Strategic lawsuit against public participation.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Right, these kinds of lawsuits the person that files them.
It's a form of harassment. They're trying to silence somebody,
scare somebody that they know that the facts are not
on their side. And so the case was thrown out.
So then he appealed in state court and when Cashlona

(43:38):
suit Trendy Foundation, he sued us in the federal court.
I guess that was a sidestep anti slap provisions in
the state of Texas. So one of the key things
is knowing where people filed. In order to do court research,
you need to know what courts to look up. There
is a federal website pacer dot gov, and we're able

(43:59):
to look that.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Court cases the ones. It's more difficult finding state and
county jurisdictions. Well, we are going a little bit of
astray about uh uh the following the money trail with
Dave Star but uh uh the uh the assets owned

(44:23):
by the by Joni Lamb and Doug Wisse pretty much
tell the story and and the prim Jet but uh
we were You're welcome to interview us more about about ourasans.
We've got plenty of stories to tell you want at
some point, I.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Would absolutely love, love, love to do that. Guys, thank
you so much for Green to come on and talk
with me. It really is amazing to me. How greedy,
just how greedy these prosperity pastors are, these these these televangelists, Uh,
day Star itself, the these these folks.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Are not well.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
First of all, we know they're not a church, even
though they claim to be one. But these people are.
For them, it's all about the money, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Absolutely it's uh their their scriptures about that. The you know,
the love of money the root of evil. Ah. Then
just look at the example of the disciples who went
around the world and Jesus when he send his disciples out,
don't take any money with you anyway, if you have

(45:37):
a final As an organization, we're advocates for donors. We
believe in donor responsibility.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Yes, to check out the organizations they financially support. It's
very it's very difficult to do that for an organization
like day Star because they don't provide proper financial reporting
for their donors and if they do decide to Jonathan
and Susie Land and any journalists or YouTube YouTubers for Libel,

(46:11):
they do not disclose to their donors how much they spent.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
On legal expenses.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Twelve years ago, there was a big, long, protracted court
battle began with TVN and the granddaughters of the founders
of the network, Britney Crouch Care Crouch. The network sued
them or the network sued Britney and she counter sued,

(46:37):
and the her sister sued TB TB and spent over
twenty million dollars in illegal suspenses over a series of years,
over twenty million dollars in the suit or how many times?
Over twenty times at least twenty two.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Wow, that is insane. That is insane. Guys, you have
been such so great to come on here, especially it's
it's late here in New York. You're in Texas. I'm
in New York. But it's really an honor to have
both of you guys on here. And yes, I would

(47:12):
absolutely love to do more interviews with you. And I'm sure,
as you know, more more news comes out about Day Star,
you guys are going to have the inside scoop and
I'm gonna I'm gonna come after you. I'm gonna come
after you.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
So in a couple of weeks when we publish our
like the eighteenth sixteenth seventeenth somewhere around there. Okay, the oracle.
That will be worth having another podcast.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
We think so awesome, awesome, all right, guys, all right, folks,
thank you so much for watching. I hope this video
has been helpful. If it has, please share it pass
it along. Lord Willin, We'll see you next time.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Thanks for watching, of f never ne