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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Long for Truth podcast. I'm Robin Long.
Join my husband Dan and I as we explore the
roots of the early Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, and we
shine a light on false doctrines and false teachers in
the modern church. Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, to your niece, to your niece, why to your name?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Say that? Now? Is this real life? You?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
No? Dot?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
He always freaking prey. Then you can't live here anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So here's what I'm going to do. Yours signment has
done nuts, and you know that you cannot live in
her any longer.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
See always crying. Gee, you love to say I'm sorry.
I want to hate you. I'll probably not get you there.
Family and all these people, Oh kill you, they kill you?
Hurts you? I can Oh, I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Demon interrogation. That is what we're going to be discussing
on this episode. When we look at the scriptures, when
we go through the Gospels, do we ever see Jesus
interrogating demons when he drives out demons? Do we ever
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see him do that? When we go through the Book
of Acts and we look at the works of the Apostles,
do we ever see those who cast out demons in
the Book of Acts, do we ever see them interrogating demons?
And what I'm mean by interrogating is carrying on a
conversation with demons, because that is what the demons layers do,
those within the Deliverance movement, they carry on conversations with demons.
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They try to get information from demons because they believe
that getting information from a demon can begin to close
the doors and shut off entry points from where these
demons can come in. First of all, we've talked about
the fact that no Christian can have in dwelling demons.
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It just is not biblical. And we'll talk about that
a little bit here. I've done videos on that on
my channel. You can check those out for yourself. But
today we're going to be talking about interrogation and I'm
going to be using a guy by the name of
Daniel Adams as my example. Daniel Adams is the founder
of the Supernatural Life TSNL, his ministry ministry if you
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want to call it that. It's not a ministry. It's
actually a disservice to the Body of Christ. But it
emphasizes the belief that Christians can and should operate in
the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, including prophecy, miracles, healing,
deliverance as described in the New Testament. Blah blah blah.
So that is uh, that is Daniel Adams. We're going
to start out by looking at a clip of him, well,
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doing some interrogation. Watch that's your book.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well I read in the Bible and anybody bought by
the blood of Jesus, that's a Christian belongs to him.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What is your name? I'll ask you, what fools?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Daniel?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, son of God.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, simonize you.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, what is your name?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Noity, knight, moiighty mighty and h m hm. So let
me get this rush. Look at me, look at me,
mm hmm. He loves the Lord. Yeah, he's a Christian
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and you're telling me you can live in him.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, huh beeny for a lot of years.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, was it alcoholism? Partly partly? Yeah, he used to
drink a lot. Then he gave that up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yep, m that annoyed me.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That annoyed you didn't have much control then you wanted to.
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Take him out.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
See.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The reason I talk just so y'all know, is because
the more we talk, the less power he has. The
more they reveal the less they can say they can stay.
You understand it's called it's called interrogation of the.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Demoney, interrogation of the demonic, which, by the way, is
not something we find the apostles for Jesus doing it
all in scripture. And I will show you that, but
for right now, I want to show you another clip,
because supposedly there are entry points into which demons can
come in and even come into a Christian. Watch this
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next clip.
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I want to speak to Pete. Man, can I I
want to speak to Pete. No, no, no, no no, I
want to speak hold on, I want to speak to Pete.
Bring Pete back, Pete.
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Hey, Pete, Pete.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I want to speak to you, Pete, Pete.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yo.
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Those click Hey, how you doing, Pete?
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Goodness? See so you're a Christian? Pete?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah?
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Man, I love your physicist. I can tell I love physicists. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Amah oh Pete? Help, hey help?
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You want to be free? I want to be free.
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How long you been dealing with this?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
It says, age of six.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, I was in hospital with kidney trouble.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It came in with lets you say, dans when I
was a kid and angels. Yeah, and that's yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I want to I want to stay to.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Come back, pet Pete, Pete, You're getting too much information.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Come back, Pete, Come back, Pete. Come on, Pete, Pete.
I'm bringing you back. The love of God compels you
to come back.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Pete.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Listen. I want to help you, Pete, but I want
you to You need to tell me. You need to
tell me, Pete, where it got in when you were younger?
Where did it get in?
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I was in my room?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Was in my room? Okay, I've never told my family.
I've told nobody. You've told nobody, told nobody, held it
for years in private. Yeah, so he came in in
your room? What were you doing?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I was asleep and he just entered.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It was just a night year old boy.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Your family wasn't protecting you, right?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Mom did?
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Yeah? She did a bist?
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Were they praying? Sorry? Was she a Christian?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
A sea? Had hoops of problems for you? This So
the interrogation has to do with finding out where the
entry points are? How did that demon gain access? All right,
So let's let's go to scripture and let's see did
Jesus or the apostles ever interrogate demons? Did they try
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to find out what caused the demon to enter into
a person, so that they could have more that that,
so that the demon could lose its power and it
will be far easier to cast out. So let's take
a look at what scripture says here, and I am
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going to start here in Matthew or I'm sorry, Mark
chapter five. Now, I went through all of the Gospels.
I went through acts and just looked at where Jesus
and his apostles dealt with demons, and none of them.
Nowhere in scripture do we find Jesus interrogating a demon. Now,
this is the longest of all of this story, is
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the longest of all of the dealings that Jesus had
with a demon. So we're gonna look at that as
a whole. Here, we're going to look at the whole story,
and we're going to start here in verse one of
Mark chapter five. And they came to the other side
of the sea, to the country of the Garriscenes. And
when Jesus had stepped out of the boat, immediately there
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met him out of the tombs, a man with an
unclean spirit. He lived among the tombs, and no one
could bind him anymore. Not even with a chain, for
he had often been bound with shackles and chains. But
he wrenched the chains apart, and he broke the shackles
and pieces. No one had strength to subdue him. Night
and day among the tombs and on the mountains, he
always cried out, cutting himself with stones. And when Jesus
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saw from afar off, he fell down before him, and,
crying out with a loud voice, he said, what would
you have? What have you to do with me? Jesus,
son of the Most High God, I adjure you, by God,
do not torment me. For he was saying, come out
of that man, you unclean spirit. This is this is
where Jesus begins to speak to the man. Come out
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of that man. Come out of the man, you unclean spirit.
And Jesus asked him, what is your name? He replied,
my name is Legion, for we are many. And he
begged him earnestly to send him out of the cot,
not to send him out of a country. Now great
herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside, and
they begged him, saying, send us to the pigs. Now
look right here. So he gave them permission. Now if
he did any kind of interrogation. It's not recorded anywhere
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in scripture. Neither is it taught in any of the
epistles by any of the apostles who wrote scripture. Nowhere
in scriptures that taught that we are to interrogate demons. Nowhere.
Let's look at the next passage here. This is Mark
chapter one, and I'm just gonna read. This is the
demand in the synagogue that went in took Apernaum, And
this is all Jesus says. Is all's recorded anyway. But
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Jesus rebuked him saying be silent and come out of him,
And the unclean spirit convulsing him and crying out with
the loud voice, came out of him. That's it, no interrogation.
And I believe this is the same exact passage, except
it's just recorded in Luke. And then we have this
passage here where Jesus heals many and he casts out demons,
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and this is the what's underlined here, and he casts
out the spirits with a word. That's it. No, nothing's
recorded about an interrogation. There's nothing in the Bible that
says that we are to interrogate demons. And then we
have the same story here in Luke. But he rebuked
them and would not allow them to speak because they
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knew he was the Christ. That's it. He just rebuked them.
He cast them out with the word. He rebuked them
and said, you're not allowed to speak. I mean, but
yet these guys, these guys, they are constantly talking to
demons and they're constantly trying to get information. As you
saw as an example from Daniel Adams. We have him
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speaking to the spirit of the unclean. You know, Jesus
here he's the boy with the unclean spirit after he
comes down from the mount of transfiguration, when he's transfigured
before his before Peter, James and John. And when Jesus
saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the
unclean spirit, saying to it, you mute in deaf spirit.
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I command you come out of him and never enter
him again. And after that, crying out and convulsing him terribly,
it came out and the boy was like a corpse.
So you see there nothing about a conversation. And then
we have the Canaanite woman, and all that's Jesus does
here to the Canaanite woman where she had her daughter
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was demon possessed, and the only thing Jesus does there
is he tells the Canaanite woman that her daughter is healed.
Let's look at the story. A woman, great is your faith,
be it done for you as you desire, and her
daughter was healed instantly. That's it. That is it. So
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I mean, folks, as you can see, Jesus did no interrogation.
And you can go through all the other passages of scripture,
and I mean, if you know of a passage where
Jesus actually interrogated a demon, I mean, tried to get
information so that he could cast him out, you know,
well show me. I mean, I'd like to see it.
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I'd like to see it because I can't find it,
you know, I mean, I can't find it anywhere. All right.
What about the apostles? Where did the apostles repeat or
carry on conversations with demons? Now, there is the story
where Jesus sends out the apostles and they go and
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you know, he sends out the twelve, he sends out
the seventy, and you know, they go and they heal
and they cast out demons. The seventy come back and
they're all excited because even the demons were subject to them.
But there is nothing in that passage that says that
they interrogated the demons, that they spent time trying to
figure out what gave the demons entry points into the
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people's lives. Nothing like that in scripture. But what about
the apostles. Well, let's go over to the Book of
Acts and let's just look at some of these places
where there is people casting out demons. This is Paul
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and Silas before they go to prison here in Philippi.
As we were going to the place of prayer. Let's
go ahead and just look at this. As we were
going to the prayer, where we were met by a
slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought
her owners much gain by fortune telling. She followed Paul
and us, crying out, these men are servants of the
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Most High God, who proclaimed to you the way of salvation.
And then she kept doing for many days. Paul, having
become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, so
here we go. Here's the conversation. Turned his said to
the spirit, I command you, in the name of Jesus Christ,
to come out of her. And it came out that
very hour. Nothing in the story about interrogating demons. Now,
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the only other places I got a couple of more
places here that I can really find in Acts is
is the sons of Scaeva. This is all they say,
I adjure you in the name of Jesus and whom
Paul proclaims. So they were trying to cast out demons.
And what did the demons say? You know, I know Paul,
and I know Jesus. Jesus, I know and I know
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who Paul is. But who are you? And he he
attacks them? So nothing there that you can really you
can really take as a biblical example to interrogate demons.
And then we have Acts chapter eight. Philip right Phillips
in Samaria. He's preaching the gospel, he's healing people, doing signs,
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and this is what it says for unclean spirits, crying
out with a loud voice, came out of many who
had them. Nothing in there about Philip interrogating demons, if
you just casting them out, all right, I want to
do something else here. I want to open up a search. Okay,
I've got my smart search open here in La g Austin.
I'm just going to paste in the question can Christians
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be demon possessed. And what this is going to do
is going to go throughout my entire the entire Bible, okay,
in the in the ESV. And it's going to pull
out verses, all right, and it's going to answer the
question through these verses. Let me just hit that they're
the search and here we got well, starting with first
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John four to four. Good place to start, little children,
You are from God and have overcome them. For he
who is in you is greater than he who is
in the world. Greater is he that is in you.
Who is this talking about, is talking about Christ, and
He's living in all of you. Even if you are
a trichotomist. I am not a trichotomist, Okay, I believe
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we have a body and a soul, and the Bible
uses his spirit and soul interchangeably. But even if you
are a trichotomist, and you believe we have a body, soul,
and spirit, which is what the demon deliverance guys believe
and teach. They teach that the demon can live inside
the body, but not the spirit because the spirit is
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possessed by Jesus, and Jesus has the spirit, He's cleaned
the spirit he's claimed the spirit, and he cannot dwell.
No demon can dwell in the spirit, but it can
the demon can dwell in the body, right, which is
just not true. So even if you are a trichotomist,
even if you believe that we have a body, soul
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in spirit, these verses are still going to debunk that
demons can live anywhere in your body. On one John
five eighteen, we know that everyone who has been born
of God does not keep on sinning, but he who
was born of God protects him, and the evil one
does not touch him. That is such a powerful verse that,
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in my opinion, we could stop right there. We could
literally stop right there. James four seven. Submit yourselves therefore
to God resists the devil, and he will flee from you. Okay,
tewod Corinthians six fourteen through sixteen. Do not be unequally
unequally yoked with unbelievers. What partnership has righteousness with lawlessness?
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What fellowship has light with darkness? Paul is commanding not
to be unequally yoked with unbelievers? How much more would
this apply to demonic spirits? What a courd is christ
with belile? What portion does a believer share with an unbeliever.
What agreement has the Temple of God with idols, For
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we are the temple of the Living God. As God said,
I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
and I will be their God, and they shall be
my people. This is a really good one here, Colassians
one thirteen through fourteen. He has delivered us from the
domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of
his beloved Son. He has delivered us from the domain
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of darkness. Folks, if you are a Christian, you have
been delivered from that domain. No demon is going to
enter into a place where the Holy Spirit is dwelling.
It just doesn't happen. It just isn't biblical, Ugh Roma's
eight thirty eight through thirty nine. For I am sure
that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor
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things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height
nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be
able to separate us from the Love of God that
is in Christ, Jesus our Lord. No power, no demonic power,
can separate you from Christ, and no demonic power can
live inside of you. Then we have Ephesians one thirteen
through fourteen, which talks about us being sealed with the
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promised Holy Spirit, body, soul, and spirit. If you're a trichotomist,
you've been sealed. Your entire body and spirit and soul
has been sealed. All right? Do you not know that
you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
And notice there it doesn't say it dwells only in
your spirit. It dwells in you, all of you. Not
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yet he I'm sorry, I didn't mean to call the
Holy Spirit in it, but he dwells in all of you.
If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For
God's Temple is holy, and you are that temple. You
are holy because of the Holy Spirit living inside of you.
That makes you holy, be because you believe, because of
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your faith in Christ. You are holy. And there's no
way any demon's going to live inside of you. And
we could just go on and on here. Okay, you
know we have Ephesian six' ten talking about spiritual, warfare,
uh talking about the, devil you, know talking about the
devil being a roaring line seeking those whom he might.
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Devour so we can see, that first of, all no
place in scripture ever talks about demonic. Interrogation we just
don't see that and it's not. Taught and as a
little side bonus, there we can just look at those
passages of scriptures that talks about The Holy spirit in
dwelling us and we can see that No christian you
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cannot have a Demon and we've talked about that ad nauseum,
here but it's always good to remind you. Folks thanks for,
Watching Lord. William this has been. Helpful if it has
passed it, along we'll see you next.
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Week but neything