July 21, 2025 • 60 mins
The roots of deception in Mercy Culture run deep. In this episode, my guest, Pablo Marte, and I discuss the poisonous prophetic tree of Mercy Culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Long for Truth podcast. I'm Robin Long.
Join my husband Dan and I as we explore the
roots of the early Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and we
shine a light on false doctrines and false teachers in
the modern church. Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A lot of you might know that John Paul Jackson
was our spiritual father before he passed away. He was
battling cancer at the time and he had beat it,
but the treatments that he was on for the cancer
had broken down his immune system so much that he
acquired other sicknesses and illnesses. And this call that Landon gets,
they tell him that John Paul is probably not going
(00:41):
to make it through the night, and we are shocked.
John Paul happens to live in Texas. We just got there.
Landon was able to jump in the car, and Landa
was able to jump the car and to get to
John Paul. If we were still living in Arizona, we
would have never have made it. He would have never
made it to his bedside before he passed. And so
(01:03):
here's Landon kneeling at John Paul's bedside and he is
just praying and worshiping and as he's praying and worshiping,
kneeling next to John Paul Jackson. What he says is
extremely hard to describe, but a supernatural encounter and he
feels a mantle released over his life. He comes home
(01:28):
and he begins to share with me, and I don't
remember if it was that night or the next day.
He's trying to give words of what happened in this moment,
and our phone rings again and it's a pastor we
haven't talked to in years in another state, and he says,
I don't know what just happened, but right now, I
(01:48):
just had a vision of John Paul Jackson's mantle being
passed down to you. And there was something that I
was holding in my heart, and I didn't want to
say it because I was so grateful and thankful that
God brought us to Texas for Landon to get to
the bedside of John Paul before he passed. But the
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thing that I hid in my heart is Lord, I
wish I could have been there. I wish I could
have been in that moment at his bedside too. So
I bow my head. I'm sitting on my knees with
my hands out, and all of this sudden. I feel
the release from God of John Paul Jackson's mantle over
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my life.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hello everyone, welcome along for truth. My name is Daniel Long.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
All right.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
We have talked quite a bit over the past couple
of weeks about Mercy Culture. We're going to continue that
theme today because they are a dangerous church. Their pastors
Landed and Heathershot are dangerous people, and they promote a
prophetic psychic. That's right, a prophetic psychic to their people.
I'm talking about the late John Paul Jackson. I have
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some clips that are going to show you that John
Paul Jackson is nothing more than a prophetic prophetic psychic.
That's all he is. What he does is just repackaged
New age psychic occultic stuff. You're going to see that
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in this video. And I have asked a new friend
of mine to join me. His name is Pablo Marte.
He has a YouTube channel, small YouTube channel, and he
is on Facebook with a Facebook page called Pablo Reacts
where he reacts to different videos of false teacher. So
I've invited him on today. Had a great conversation and
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hopefully this will benefit you and you'll be able to
glean a lot from this episode and hopefully you're edified. So,
without further ado, here is my conversation with Pablo. Pablo Marte,
thank you so much for coming on the channel today.
You and I have been talking the past week. I
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sent you a link to this video of Landon's shot
and RT Kendall having a discussion in Landon's podcast, and
so we're gonna talk about that. One of the main
things that I want to highlight is how mystical a
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lot of this stuff is, how gnostic and even a
cultic some of this stuff is, especially when we get
to John Paul Jackson, Rodney Howard Brown, and RT Kendall's vision.
John Paul Jackson is basically a psychic, and that Pablo
is there is Mercy Cultures, Pastors Heather, and Landon's spiritual father.
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Before we get to that, though, I want to introduce
you to my guests who may not know who you are.
You have a show called Pablo Reacts where you just
put up videos and your react to talk to us
about how why you're doing that and give us a
little bit of info about yourself.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Okay, thank you Daniel for having me on. It's a
blessing to be on here. So I have a biblical
counseling center. My wife and I counsel a lot of
people that come from the charismatic movement mostly, and so
a lot of people have been coming to us and
we helped them guide them through the scriptures. And so
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we had a case here that that was pretty big.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
There was a pastor that I had met. I went
to his church. He had me come in and speak
to to like a men's group he had, and his
wife had my wife come over and speak to a
women's group. And so we met this guy right, met
him at one time thought he, you know, seemed like
a good guy. And not too long after, like two
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or three months later, he sent a woman over so
that my wife can counsel her. And come to find
out that this was somebody who he took advantage of. Right,
this person was new to the Lord, and she asked
to speak to the wife about a situation that she
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was having, right she wanted counsel and so the wife said, no, no,
speak to my husband about that, and so they started
meeting and pretty much it ended up into becoming an affair.
And so us finding that out, we wanted to take action,
right away, right, But obviously we are counselors.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
We are we.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Have to uphold confidentiality and we can't just you know,
talk about what we hear here and what we help
people with. And so it was a hard situation. I mean,
it lasted almost a year where we couldn't speak on
this matter until finally my wife was able to talk
to the woman and get her to open up where
she finally came out and confessed, you know, publicly. And
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so when she did that, then we were able to
talk with her, take down a lot of of her
testimony to say or what had happened to her pretty much,
and she wrote down key points, she had, text messages,
she had, you know, hotel receipts, I mean, a lot
of a lot of evidence. And so we used that
and got to hold of the elders of that church,
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met with two of them, my wife and I this
woman and the elders, and we sat down and they
confirmed that they had heard a lot of other stories
about this pastor h and now this kind of helped
them to to take action. And so this was like
on a Tuday night and we were hoping to get
them off the pulpit by Sunday. It ended up being
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that these guys went right away called up up the
ladder of their denomination and they were able that Wednesday.
The next day they got him out of the church,
so he didn't even do Bible study. So we were
happy about that incident, right, but it took a toll
on us. It took a big toll on my wife
having to hold this secret, you know, knowing that this
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guy was out there and possibly hurting other people in
the body of Christ. And so as soon as I
was able to, I you know, I was able. Once
we dealt with that with the elders and saw how
it played out in their church, then we said, okay,
well I want to make a video. So my wife
and I made a video. We talked about it, and
then I decided, you know what, I can't recommend people
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to just any church. As a biblical counselor, one of
my responsibilities is to make sure that the believer is
in a good Bible preaching church, right in a good
church community. And so a lot of these people came
out of broken churches, or they're broken through the church
that they're in charismatic hyper charismatic, and so we I
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can't just recommend any church, right, I can't go on
Google and say, well where do you live? Let me
say here's the closest church to you. No. I had
to sit down and review sermons so that now I
can make a list and say, well, this seems like
a good church. I know the pastor there, I've talked
to him. That's what got me started making videos online
and then reacting to sermons.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Okay, so this this, doing this really helps you with
your your biblical counseling ministry. Then doing this kind of
discernment work because you can you can talk to people
in a counseling session about a false teacher, right oh yeah, yeah,
oh and and warren and warn you know, and warn
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others about them that that's a that's a good that's
a good thing. That's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
All right.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What did you think of this video that I sent you, Pablo?
What did you think of it? I know you, you
and I've talked and you've you've watched it a couple
of times. And this isn't I know you do reactions,
so this isn't actually going to be a reaction video.
But what were your thoughts when you were looking at
this video and and uh, you know, seeing this conversation
(09:52):
between RT. Kendall and Land and shot all right.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So I did want to say this. My first impression was,
this is a terrible a lot of like you mentioned earlier, right,
gnostic beliefs, and it just seems more with you know,
that they're focused on signs and wonders and hearing God's
voice actually not through the scriptures, but through any other
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way that they can possibly right, So that struck me
right away. But second is Artie Kendo being close to
ninety years old or ninety years old already, and he
just seems like, you know, innocent, you know, an elder,
you know, an age, you know, someone that you want
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to respect and be kind to, you know. I mean
I was raised right, you got to you know, respect
your elders. And so I almost felt like, I don't
want to say anything about this man, you know. But
but listening to the video, I mean you'll see that
there's a lot of things that are problematic.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, a lot of things are problematic. And Artie Kendle
is well respected within the charismatic movement. He's sort of
liked Sam Storms, But uh, what the thing that really
hit me about this video, Pablo, was just what I
mentioned in the beginning, these visions and dreams, and especially
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when we get to John Paul Jackson and his dream
interpretation stuff is very akin to what you would see
in the occult. And that's why, you know, I called
you said, look, let's let's not. Let's not because we
were going to originally just do a reaction of the
whole video. We're just gonna just go through the whole
video and just do a reaction. And I called you
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up and I said, look, let let's let's let's bring
this aspect out because this is Mercy culture, folks. And
Robin and I have done a couple of videos now
highlighting Mercy culture. I did one on dreams and Visions
and Heather shot with Flat Savchuk, and then Robin and
I last week put a video up warning people about
Mercy Cult. And by the way, Pablo, I don't know
(12:01):
if I told you this or not, but you've seen
everything about Mike Winger and his you know the copyrights
right claims. Uh, well, we got a copyright claim as well,
and we're probably going to get a copyright claim on
this video too, because that's just they they are. They
don't want people to critique them. They don't want people
(12:24):
to critique their ministry. So anyway, that's neither here nor there.
That's probably that's just I'm almost guaranteeing it's going to happen.
But one of the things I want to do is
just warn people that are are just stuck in this
movement in this church that what they are believing, what
they are listening to is not biblical. And again some
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of it is really really has similarities to what you
would see in you know, the the Occult. So I
want to start Paul Blow with a clip of from
this this actual podcast interview between Land and Shot and
RT Kendall. So, and I want to play something that
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when I first saw this, I was like, wait, wait
what And this is something that Art Kendall talks about.
So I just listen. It's it's actually about a photograph. Watch.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
So tell me your favorite John Paul Jackson's story because
I love talking about John Paul. God used him to
literally save my life, Like he was he was water
in the desert for me. He God supernaturally used him
to help restore my soul and it was amazing blessing.
So I hold him as deer, and I knew him
as the old wise sage. And I love talking to
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people that knew him longer than me because he might
have been the rascal punk back in the day. So
I love hearing all the different stories. What's your favorite
story about John Paul Jackson.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
It's not brief, okay, but I'll do my best. Yeah,
tell it, keep it brief. He was in the vestry
at Westminster Chapel. This would have been back in the nineties,
sometime during the night effort. I'd have to look at
my diary to see exactly when it was. I just said,
John Paul, can you say to tell anything about a
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person by looking at their photograph? He said, yeah, I can.
So I got a picture of my son tr. I said, here,
this is my son. He looked at Oh, oh, your
son tr is going to be the main instrument to
bring the work of the Holy Spirit into Westminster Chapel.
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I said, John Paul, I'm sorry, but you got this wrong.
That can't be right, because first of all, my son's
not even serving the Lord right now, I have to
tell you, and he's living in Florida. He doesn't even
live here in England. So he's not going to be
able to bring the Ministry of the Holy Spirit into
Westminster Chapel. And I said, let's talk about something else. Well,
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he just said, we'll see, all.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Right, Pablo. Let me get your reactions to that clip.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
First of all, John Paul Jackson being the spiritual father
of a Landon shot and his wife you know over
there mercy culture. Uh. And then Artie Kendo being John
Paul Jackson's spiritual father, so technically Landon is talking to
his spiritual granddad right there in front of him.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Ah, man, But but but this, you know, I mean
grabbing a photograph and you know, giving a prophecy on
this photograph or you know speaking you know, this is
a divination. This is what you know what the Bible
in the Old Testament says, right to stay away from that.
(15:57):
They didn't have photographs back then. But but this is
what this is, you know, holding someone's hand or looking
for something in the future to predict, you know, that's
what this is. Yeah, it's like reading, it really is.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And I'm going to show you. I'm going to show
a clip in a minute, but I want to read
a couple of passages of scripture here if I can,
because I think it's super important that folks know what
the Bible says about this. Deuteronomy eighteen ten through twelve.
There shall not be found among you. Anyone who burns
his son or his daughter is an offering. Anyone who
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practices divination, or tells fortunes or interprets omens. For whoever
does these things is an abomination to the Lord. Jeremiah
fourteen fourteen, and the Lord said to me, the prophets
are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them,
nor did I command them to or speak to them.
They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination,
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and the deceit of their own minds. And so one
of the things that I wanted to highlight really quickly
about that verse in Jeremiah is when the Lord says,
nor did I command them or speak to them, they
are prophesying to you a lying vision. But look what
he calls that lying vision next, worthless divination. A lying
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vision is nothing but worthless divination. But yeah, it's just
it's just crazy. And then one more Lamentations two fourteen.
Your prophets have been have seen. Let me let me
start that over your prophets have seen for you false
and deceptive visions. They have not exposed your iniquity to
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restore your fortunes, but have seen for you, But have
seen for you oracles that are false and misleading. Uh,
it's it's just this, like you said, Pablo, This, that's
what this kind of stuff is the first time I
listened to that clip, or actually listen to the video,
and I heard artist say that, I like that. That
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was the first thing that popped in MYO psychic photo readings,
you know what I mean. Let me let me just
pop something up on the screen so you and the
folks can see it.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Here.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
This is actually a screenshot of a psychic's website called
Carolynclairvoyant dot com and she charges twenty bucks for you
to send a photo in so that you can actually
read it. And then look at this one. I found
this on Etsy and you can see it's an AI
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generated photo. You can do you AI pretty but psychic
reading with photo, same hour guaranteed. Now that's a better
price there, three dollars and eighty five cents. It's a
lot better than twenty bucks. But anyway, so yeah, anything
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you want to.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Add again, This is it's the same thing that John
Paul Jackson was doing. It's psychic reading. It's a sure.
Let me see the photograph and you know, I will
examine it and I'll just tell you the first thing
that pops into my brain and you know, make you
think that that this is a God speaking that I'm speaking,
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you know, or God speaking through me, you know, which
is if he tells us not to do it in
his word, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Let me just let me just bring the next clip
in here. This is actually from an actual psychics YouTube channel,
So watch this.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
Hey there, I'm Judy Kruhon. Welcome to something we do
a little differently on Fridays because it is a fan favorite,
Psychic Friday. Today, I'm interviewing a woman who I've had
on the show in the past. He might have heard her,
Cindy Balkley. Cindy is a renowned psychic medium and intuitive
energy reader with a unique gift. She can tune into
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someone's energy simply by looking at their photo. For over
two decades, Cindy has helped clients across the globe gain
clarity on life's most pressing questions, from love and career
to purpose and healing. Her grounded approach and natural warmth
make her a trusted voice in the world of intuitive guidance.
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Whether you're a spiritual seeker or just curious, Cindy's insights
are always enlightening, empowering, and more often than not, uncannily accurate. Cindy,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh and how are you?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (20:37):
I am so good. Thank you. Hey. For those who
are new to your work, how would you describe the
way you receive messages from someone's photo. If I look
at a photo, I just automatically turned into them and
it starts talking to me, and I listen and I
talk about what I see.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So the biggest thing is I let my mind flow
and I don't analyzed anything.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, Pablo, she lets her mind flow and she doesn't
analyze anything. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Uh? Sounds pretty similar to what John Paul Jackson is doing.
He you know, looks at the photograph and just, you know, uh,
says what he thinks about, you know, what's on a picture,
what's on you know, on a piece of paper in
front of him. You know, it's just it's it's it's
worthless divination, it's you know, it's it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah. And and also one of the things I want
to to bring up and get your thoughts on this.
Have you ever heard, I know I've heard this often
from a lot of teachers, that it's not the mind
that matters, right, it's the heart. So when you need
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to you need to just turn off your mind and
just kind of let your heart, your heart do the
do the talking. Have you Have you heard that?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yes? I have heard that teaching many times, you know.
And and God gave us the mind for a reason,
you know, He gave us the mind so that we
can reason. Right. Everywhere Paul went into the synagogue when
he started preaching was to reason with the Jews there,
to reason with them from the scriptures. And you need
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your mind for that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, that's a good point. I just thought it was.
It was just so similar to what she said there
in the end where she kind of she doesn't she
doesn't analyze anything, she just lets it kind of flow,
you know what I mean, So that that kind of
reminded me of that. All right, So let's, uh, any
anything else you want to add before we go to
our next clip, because this next clip, I think, Folks
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is going to really solidify what we're saying here. But
anything else you want to you want to add.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Uh, Well, just to finish the point there, they're turning
off the mind is a dangerous thing, I believe, because
then you become upsettable too, uh, going along with who
knows what is speaking to you? Right? It could be
a person or preacher, right, especially when a preacher tells
you repeat after me, and you know it's like you.
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They do that to turn your mind off. And so
when you turn your mind off, you're who knows what's
channeling through you? I know, I know if you open
yourself up to any of these weird practices.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, and speaking of weird practices, we're going to see
exactly what uh what a weird situation, a weird scenario
or situation happened uh with a couple of John Paul
Jackson's students. So watch this clip and then I'll get
your thoughts.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
So my interns were walking down to this bookstore and
saw the sign in the in the bookstore wind to
the said horoscope readings and uh spiritual readings and so
uh no tarot card readings, horroscope reading and tarot card
readings at this bookstore Saturday night. So myur came back
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and said, hey, why don't we do like a spiritual
reading and dream interpretation night? So I said, hey, give
it a shot. So they go to the manager of
the bookstore and they say in Fort Worth, Texas, and
they say to this. To the manager, they say, hey,
we would like to do some dream interpretations and do
spiritual readings, which basically is a non churchy name for prophesying. See,
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you have to take churchiness out. We are so churchy.
So we are trying to d churchy our language. See
it's not very vocous, it's not very academically sound and
grammatically correct, but you know what it works. And so
we're trying to d church, not d God d church.
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See we're not compromising anything. We're just taking away some
of the church's methodology and going with maybe God's methodology.
And so we went into this bookstore. We went into
this They went into this manager of the bookstore and
she said, okay, well I had a dream eight years
of that no one's been able to interpret, so if
you interpret it, I'll give you a shot. Oh so
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you know, and now my interns go, you, now, this
is where the rubber meets the road, either you pass
or you fail to a one time shot. So she
told the dream, and they began to give the interpretation
of a dream. And as they did, she began to cry.
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And as she began to cry, she began to cry
so profusely she slid out of her chair onto the floor, crying.
When she was able to compose herself, when they finished
the interpretation, she got up and said, Okay, I'll give
you a shot, folks.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That is the spiritual father to Heather and landing shot.
That was John Paul Jackson. And that was about twelve
years ago. What are your thoughts, Pablo.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Uh Man? So much wrong with that?
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
First of all, they see what the world is doing,
and they want to compete with the world. It is
what it seemed to me, right that they that they
can go into this bookstore, right and and and again
interpret a dream from from the manager there, from from
the bookstore, from the owner of the bookstore. And then
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what's his name, John Paul Jackson saying, we're not trying
to you know, d God. He said, right, we're trying
to d Church right, like the vocabulary. It's not you know,
you're not de churching it. You're de bibling it, right,
I mean, it is a biblical language prophecy, you know.
But it's okay that they change the vocabulary because that's
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not what they're doing. They're not prophesying, they're you know,
what they're doing from their own thoughts is from there
turning off the mind and they're they're just going from
their own thoughts you know, or whatever else. Like I
said earlier, he is channeling through them.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, it's really sad because this is at
a church, John Paul Jackson speaking at so you have
Christians there there in the audience, and he is like
basically saying if you you know, because he's teaching. What
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he's doing there is he's teaching a workshop on dreams
and visions. So basically just go. You know, even if
even if you see a psychic you want to be
a good testimony, you want to be a good witness, Yeah,
you can set up in a psychic shop where ah,
it just it blows my mind. You can set a
booth up in a psychic shop. It's kind of like,
what is that. Some of these guys used to do it, Bethel.
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They used to go to these New Age festivals and
they used to set up booths to do prophetic readings.
This kind of stuff is is really totally forbidden in
scripture and it's a cult. Like you know, and while
John Paul Jackson may claim to be a Christian, I'm
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gonna I'm gonna play another clip in a minute that
you're going to see some of his teaching and what
he believes, you know, about Satan and Satan's control even
in uh, even in shale. But the point is is
that these guys are setting up shop at a bookstore
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to compete with psychic tarot card readings and psychic uh
uh what was it, horoscope readings. It's just it's it's
just horrible. And that again, and and I want to
keep emphasizing this. That's the spiritual father of the two
pastors of most Mercy Culture Church. You know, anything else
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you want to add to that?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Uh yeah, Mercy Culture is dangerous you know, to to Christians,
to believers. You know, it's a like you mentioned there,
John Paul Jackson is giving this workshop at a church
and people are there taking notes, and you know, they're
enjoying this stuff like like they're going to go apply it,
you know, they're going to go interpret dreams. And again
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they're they're leading them away. What the scripture says not
to do is what they're doing. They're leading people away
into trying to figure out, you know, what the future
might bring or it's it's it's ridiculous and dangerous.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It is, but so is it?
Speaker 8 (29:39):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So we have the dream interpretation. We have a dream
interpretation workshop here where he's he's promoting you know it,
at least maybe not, he doesn't do this openly and
all of his stuff, but at least here he's he's
making it seem okay to just set up booth in
us in a in a you know, in a shot
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where they have terror card readings. But then there's the
teaching as well. And Robin's the one that actually found
this clip. And so listen to what he says about
Satan and who is uh and who's actually in control
in this clip?
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Watch she old everybody went to Shield means Barren Womb.
Samuel was in Shield. Everybody went there, Adam went there,
Eve went there, King went there, Abe went there. Everybody
went to Shield, Noah went there, Sham him, Jacob went there.
All the descendants went there. Everybody went to shield because
guests who controlled the afterlife. I'll give you a hint name.
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He is an s and Anzel a n No, not Saturn.
Satan controlled it. How do we know that? We know
that because in Luke chapter four, Satan comes to Jesus
tempts him and he says, see all these kingdoms, I
will give it to you, along with their authority because
it has been delivered to me. Who delivered it to him?
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Because of the AA ends with an m Adam exactly,
Adam gave it to Satan. Satan had control of death,
hell and the grave. When everybody died, they were under
the rule of Satan because Satan had been given everything
up to that point on Earth. So Samuel was under
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the control of Satan. No wonder he was angry because
when you read this, he says, And Samuel was angry.
And when news call up, why would he be angry?
Because he, a righteous man, had to obey the rule
over him. Satan said, Samuel, go up. No, sam you
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know I've been given authority.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
You go up.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
He had to go.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
That is horrific. That is absolutely horrific. Now, before I
get your thoughts, I do know that that is dominion
teaching dominion theology. However, that's kind of taken dominion theology
to the next level. I have heard a lot of
teaching on dominion theology. I have never heard anything so
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egregious as saying that Satan had control of all of
those who were counted righteous in Christ before Christ came
to earth to die. So, you know, and I say
Old Testament saints because the Old Testament saints were saved
the same way really the New Testament saints are saved,
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and that's by faith, faith in the coming Messiah. They
looked toward the coming of the Messiah. We look back
at the Messiah. So the very fact that he would
say all of the Old Testament saints basically went into
Satan's domain, and Satan had control of them and could
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command them and do whatever he wanted to do with them,
it's egregious. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
It is terrible. I mean, uh, we could we could
debunk his his explanation there right, just from listening to him. Right.
He talks about how when when Satan offered Jesus, right, hey,
all this that you see right has been given to me.
And he says why because Adam gave it to him, right,
(33:43):
So did Adam have and what did he mention? He
mentioned you know, the earth, death, the grave? Right, those
are the things that he mentioned. I believe there. I mean,
you know, did Adam have control of these things? You know,
to give them to Satan? Right? When Satan again told Jesus,
I mean he said all this that you see here,
all the kingdoms right of the earth. He's not talking
(34:05):
about shield, right, he's not talking about again, it doesn't
track what he's saying, you know, it doesn't make sense.
It's typical.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, when he talks about that typical dominion theology where
back in the garden Adam was and and it also
kind of tracks with word faith theology too, because they
believe that Adam was a little god and uh, he
gave his and Adam had dominion over it, which which
he he does. And even now we still we have dominion.
We've been given that dominion, that authority, and that hasn't changed.
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Sin has certainly tainted that. But that's that's a different
that's a different teaching. But Adam gave up his authority
willingly to say, so it's this typical dominion teaching. But
What goes a step further is this whole idea that
the New Testament or the Old Testament saints were under
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the control of Satan in shale or she, however you
want to pronounce it. But he's he's referring to the
Second Samuel, second or First Samuel. Sorry, First Samuel, chapter
twenty eight, and then I think it's fifteen through nineteen.
Can we take a look at that? Do you mind
if we do that, I'm gonna share my screen here
and pop us in here, and I want to come
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over here, and we might as well read this thing
in context, so folks understand exactly what passage he was
speaking of. I want to start in verse seven, Okay,
that way it goes right to the story. Then Saul
said to a servant, seek out for me a woman
who is a medium. Then I may go to her
and inquire of her. And if servants said to him, behold,
there's a medium and indoor. I always think of Star Wars.
(35:42):
It wasn't that E walks on indoor. I can't remember
if that's what. So Saul disguised himself and put on
other garment, other garments, and went he and two men
with him and it came to the woman by night,
and he said, divine for me by a spirit. Or yeah,
divine for me by a spirit, and bring up from
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me whomver I shall name to you. The woman said
to him, surely you know that Saul has done what
Saul is done, how he was cut off the mediums
and the neckromancers from the land. Why then, are you
laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?
But Saul swore to her, by the Lord, as the
Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.
(36:25):
Then the woman said, whom shall I bring up? He said,
bring up Samuel for me. When the woman saw Samuel,
she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman
said to Saul, why have you deceived me? You were
a Saul. The king said to her, don't be afraid.
What do you see? And the woman said to Saul,
I see a god coming up out of the earth.
He said to her, what is his appearance? And she said,
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an old man is coming up, and he is wrapped
in a robe. And Saul knew that it was Samuel,
and he bowed his face to the ground and paid
him homage. Then Samuel said to Saul, why have you
just disturbed me by bringing me up? Saul answered, I
am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me,
and God has turned away from me and answers me
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no more, either by the prophets or by the dreams. Therefore,
I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.
And Samuel said, why then do you ask me? Since
the Lord has turned from you and become your enemy.
The Lord has done to you as he spoke by me.
For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your
hand and given it to your neighbor David, because you
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did not obey the voice of the Lord and did
not carry out his fierce wrath against Amelik. Therefore the
Lord has done this thing to you this day. Moreover,
the Lord will give Israel also with you, and to
the hand of the Philistines. Tomorrow you and your son
shall be with me. The Lord will give the army
of Israel also and to the hand of the Philistines.
(37:54):
Then Saul fell at once full length on the ground,
filled with fear because of the words of Samuel. So,
I mean, I look at this passage, and I don't
see anything in that there's nothing in scripture that says
Satan is in control of what was happening. Uh, you know,
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to to to the Saints after they died, that he
was in control of shale and they had to obey him.
This all comes from John Paul Jackson's own own mind.
He he literally made that that teaching up. There's there's
nothing in scripture that even implies that. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Uh? Well, John Paul Jackson turns off his mind so often.
I mean, he just goes through whatever comes to him.
You know, he's making stuff up on the fly, you know,
and he's good at it, you know. I mean that
that's what he That's what he did for so long. Yeah,
he's definitely twisting scripture. I mean twist scripture does not
say what he says that it says. And and like
(38:56):
you said, he's just creating, uh, his own interns rotation,
you know, that completely false. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah. There's also a passage in Luke that I want
us to look at too, because I think this teaching
from christ how Needy debunks that whole idea. So we're
going to go back and we're going to take another
look at what scripture says. In Luke. When we look
at the story of the rich Man and Lazarus, there
was a rich man who was clothed in purple and
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fine linen. And keep in mind this is all before
so this is supposed to be during the you know,
right before the phase where Christ dies and raises and ascends.
So yeah, if John Paul Jackson's right, then the Old
Testament saints saints are still here. I mean, you know
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the passage mentions Abraham. So start from from here. There
was a There was a rich man who was clothed
in purple and fine linen, who feasted sumptuously every day.
And Edie's gate was a was laid up poor man
named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed
with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even
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the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man
died and was carried by the angels to abraham side.
The rich man also died and was buried and in haities.
Being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw
Abraham and Lazarus afar off, and he called out, Father Abraham,
have mercy on me, and send Lazaruth Lazarus to dip
the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue,
(40:30):
for I am in anguish in this flame. But Abraham said, child,
remember that you and your lifetime received your good things,
and Lazarus in like manner bad things. But now he
is comforted here and you are in english anguish. And
this is the first I wanted you to see, this
one right here. And besides all this between us and you,
a great chasm has been fixed in order that those
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who would pass from here to you may not be able,
and none may cross from there to us. That is
the passage that I really wanted to pour. The verse
from that passage that I really wanted to point out
because to me, that just debunks, just that one passage
debunks that Satan is in control if there's a chasm there,
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you know, and the people who were not uh we're not.
I was gonna say, Christians, the people who were not
saints went to the lake or you know, hell basically
the fire, the flame, and people who were saints were
they were in Abraham's bosom, they were on the other
(41:36):
side of the chasm. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Yeah, No, I mean, uh, Scripture itself already uh you know,
debunked what John Point Jackson was saying. Yeah, I mean
this is a wonderful parable that has such great insight,
you know, and and we can use it to help
clarify you know when people twist the scriptures, you know.
(42:00):
But yeah, there it clearly shows that that people that
were dead right before Christ died and ascended that they
were already with Abraham. So Abraham was not in the control,
he was not in show. He was separate from Lazareth,
I'm sorry, not from Lazareth, from the rich man. We
don't know the rich man's name, but we know Lazarus
who was with Abraham. Yep. And yeah, that'd he bunks
(42:24):
the company.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, absolutely. And nowhere in scripture does it say, as
we said before that you know that Satan ruled shale
or controlled the souls of the dead. Cheo simply refers
to the grave or the realm of the dead, not
a place under Satan's authority. And the Bible clearly teaches that.
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We've seen passages that talk about God even being present
in Shale, like Job twenty six six, Shale is naked
before God and Abadan has no covering. And then Saw
one thirty nine to eight, where David says, if I
ascend to heaven, you are there. If I make my
bed and shale, you are there. So anyway, it's just
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just really horrible stuff. All Right, we're gonna move on
because we're going to be looking at a clip here
from RT Kendall and he is actually going to be
talking about and he's gonna and and see this is
another thing too. I do understand that RT. Kendall is
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I do understand that he is very respected, and we
you know, we know that. But when a man promotes
somebody like Rodney Howard Brown, well even in John Paul Jackson,
but even even more Rodney Howard Brown, who you know
is responsible for the Laughing Revival in the early nineties,
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this is this is egregious as well, because this is
pointing people to well, not only a false movement, but
a guy who is blatantly, blatantly promoting damning doctrine. You know,
this whole his whole teaching is just so so off.
(44:21):
But I want to play this clip now from the
podcast a little more of that podcast between Land and
Shot and RT Kendles, So check this next clip out.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Some months later, Rodney Howard Brown was in town and
my wife had a condition. I won't go into detail,
but fast forward. Rodney healed her. I mean, God did it.
Rodney and a Donne could prayed for her and she
was instantly healed. And then he said, well, you should
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come to one of our camp meetings in Lakeland, Florida.
And Rtio wants you to come with her. I couldn't,
but she could and he paid her way over. Okay,
So she goes to Lakeland, Florida. Our son tr is
living in the Florida Keys, and so she phones tr
could you come to Lakeland to get me to take
me to the airport and he said, okay, but don't
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ask me to go to that meeting. So when he
comes to Lakeland to get her, she said, please, would
you just come for one hour? One hour? He said, okay,
one hour, and then we leave four hours later. He's
right in the middle of the whole thing. He didn't
want to leave. And then he's so impressed with Rodney
(45:44):
that he finds out where he goes next is to
New Orleans. Tr drives to New Orleans and goes to
hear Rodney preach and well, Rodney, so blessed tr tr
was changed. I mean, he he just it was a
(46:04):
different man. And I know about this because a friend
of mine went also to watch tr and he wrote me,
I don't know whether you know whether it's happening. Here's son.
You got a big time last night when Rodney prayed
for him.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
So there's so much to unpack here, so much to
talk about. We could take you know, we get to
almost do a whole video on Widney Howard Brown just
and use that clip kind of as a springboard for that.
But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
So, right, he's using Rodney Howard Brown because right, he
supposedly healed his wife from a condition, right that he
you know, he'd rather not say. And and it's possible
that God can heal someone. We've heard this and a
Benny hen a crusade or you know, in a blatant
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false teacher that you know healing may take place. But also,
you know Todd White, how many healings does he have?
How many legs has he grown out? You know that claims,
so to take that as a basis, but you know,
he's the twisting of scripture is what you know that
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the Holy Spirit can't be operating where at least not
through Howard. Through Rodney Howard Brown, with all the twisting
of scripture going on. You know, we're to test the
spirits and we're to you know, test it with the
word of God, and with all the twisting that is
going on, it doesn't make any sense. And like you said,
we can go on through so many things on this.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
But but Urt Ken though, Yeah, promoting right, giving a
good word for Rodney Howard Brown is dangerous, very for
the body.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
And in one of the things I want to want
to just kind of let the folks know. So this
is how this supposed prophecy from John Paul Jackson came
to be fulfilled through Rodney Howard Brown. So TR Rodney
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Howard Brown says that RT's son tr is going to
bring the Holy Spirit into Westminster Chapel. Right, That's how
he's going to do it. And God uses Rodney Howard Brown,
according to RT. Kendall, to fulfill that prophecy two uh,
(48:39):
you know, to bring that prophetic word to pass. And
yet we know specifically what kind of guy Rodney Howard
Brown is. If if you've watched this channel folks long enough,
we've we've talked about the Toronto Blessing, and how Rodney
Howard Brown was, you know, played a role in that
because because it was it was Randy Clark that went
(49:04):
to see Rodney Howard Brown when Rodney Howard Brown was
at rama in in you know, Kenneth Hagen's College and
he was speaking there and Randy, Randy Clark got a
got a touch from Rodney Howard Brown, and he took
that back to Toronto and you sparked the Toronto Blessing.
(49:28):
I mean, that's the influence that Rodney and we saw
what happened with with uh, with the Toronto Blessing. Chris
Roseboro put out a video yesterday on was it yesterday, No,
it was a couple of days ago on the Unholy
Spirit of Bethel, and he did a really good job.
He did a really good job highlighting the work of
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the Holy Spirit. I mean he just laid it right
out there for you in scripture and showed you from
scripture what the work of the Holy Spirit is and
contrasted that with what's going on on with Bethel. I'll
put a link to that that video down in the
in the description, but uh, I mean that's what we
have from from Rodney Howard Brown, any other any other thoughts.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Pablo, Uh, you have more experience with Rodney Howard Brown.
I know you've made some videos in the past of him.
He does have a nickname, right.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
He does have a nickname.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
What is his?
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Isn't he the Holy Spirit Bartender or something like that?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you are right. You are right, sir,
speaking of the Holy Tender, Holy the Holy Tender, the
Holy Spirit Bartender. Check this next clip out. Okay, this
is Rodney Hower Brown.
Speaker 11 (50:43):
Folks, and we are witnesses of all things which he did,
both in the land of the.
Speaker 12 (50:49):
Jews and in Jerusalem, whom.
Speaker 11 (50:51):
The sloop and the hands on a tree him God
raised up on the third day and showed him up relief,
not all people, but until witnesses chosen before God, even
to us who did eat and drink with him, after
he rose from the dead, and he commanded us to
preach under the.
Speaker 12 (51:12):
People, and to testify that it is he which was
a dand of God, to be the judge of the
preak and the dead. To him give all the prophets
witness that through his name who serve and believed in.
Speaker 11 (51:27):
Him shall receive remission.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Of sins.
Speaker 12 (51:30):
Well, Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell
on all them which heard the world.
Speaker 11 (51:58):
May the Lord bless the reading.
Speaker 6 (52:00):
Love is good.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I don't know how anyone can say that that is Christian,
that that's the Holy Spirit. That's not the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Folks, what do you thought? Not at all?
Speaker 5 (52:54):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Well, just right there at the end, right, they pan
on the audience. I mean, first of all, while he's
reading the scriptures, they're laughing, right, it seems no reverence,
no reverence of God's word, no reverence of God. And
they're laughing so right. I know it's because they believe
that that's the Holy Spirit. Right, but they're at the
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end that just you see him looking everybody's you know,
laughing because they have the Holy Spirit. He doesn't have
it because he's just looking at them, you know, with
a straight face, So he doesn't have the Holy Spirit.
And then you know, for people to just you know,
for one gentleman to get up and start running, it's
that always, you know, makes me laugh, you know, I mean, right,
it does resemble resemble the scriptures right, what he was
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reading there. When when when Peter got up and was
preaching his sermon, right, and it does tell us that
all the people from all the different countries, different languages,
they started running around in circles. Right, some of them
are still running to this day. Now what it says,
that is.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Not what it says, brother, And uh yeah, I mean
it's just uh, it's absolutely insanity. Can you imagine, you know,
I thought, I'm thinking about Ezra. Do you remember the
story in Ezra where Ezra It might have been Nami,
I think it was Ezra. Where Ezra is. He they
build a platform for him and he opens up the
scriptures and he begins to read, and the people sat.
(54:15):
The people were reverent, and they listened, and they they
were touched and they cried because and they were because
they the law hit them. And so the the teachers
or the people that were with Ezra, the men that
were with Azra went around and explained the scriptures to them.
There was reverence. There's always reverence when the Word of
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God has read. And when he's reading scripture and you
just hear cackling and laughing, that is not I promise,
I promise, that is not the holy spirit. That is
an unholy spirit. Very scary. But there's another clip that
Robin found that I'd never seen and it is. Okay,
(54:59):
So let me give some context here for this next clip.
You're gonna you're gonna watch Bablo Rodney Howard Brown in
this uh in this in in in this meeting is
going to start kind of singing without any instruments or
anything like that. But he's not singing, he's chanting. He's
(55:20):
chanting unintelligible, just weird stuff. And all of a sudden
you hear as he begins to chant. I don't know
if it's the audience. I don't know if he's got
something playing in the speakers, which he might have, but
there's just this weird, weird thing that happens. Let me
play this next clip for you and tell me what you.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
Think us.
Speaker 10 (56:46):
Anything anything? Wow?
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, I mean that's all you can say. There's not
a lot there to comment there unless you have something
you want to say.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
Well, well, I mean a lot of hyper charismatics. I
would say, use right where they use uh, you know,
chords on a keyboard or or something just to to
to elicit an emotion from the people, you know, I
mean that that's what they're doing there, you know, and
it's uh, you know, as if that's the Holy Spirit.
(57:37):
You know, let's create this emotion and now let's attribute
that that we just created to God.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Very telling, very very true, and very creepy. I'm i'm,
I'm ye. You know, I have no problem saying it's
just really really creepy. But that that, folks, is how
this supposed vision or this I'm sorry, the supposed prophecy
from John Paul Jackson was fulfilled by tr going to
(58:06):
a Rodney Howard Brown service, getting hit with the Holy
Spirit and being a changed man. Nothing about repentance, nothing
about the gospel from tr And and the Bible makes
it really clear what the power of God to salvation is.
It's the preaching of the Gospel. Pauls in Rome one seventeen.
I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for
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it is the power of God or salvation to those
who believe. It's the preaching of the Word that brings conviction. Hobbley,
thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate
you taking time out of your Saturday to come on
the show and discuss this with me.
Speaker 4 (58:48):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for having me on. It's been great.
And yeah, if you have me on again, it would
be wonderful to talk to another brother in the Lord
and help and courage people watching.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah, and I and I plan to do that. I'd
love to have you on again. It was a good
conversation and uh so yeah, let's uh keep doing what
you're doing. And I'll put a link to where folks
can find you in the YouTube description. And folks, again,
Pablo has a small YouTube channel, but he's going to
be posting more videos. Go over there and subscribe to
his channel. That would be great. It would really help
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him out anyway, folks, Mercy Culture is an extremely dangerous church.
We have talked about this now for the past few weeks,
and more people are coming out with videos against these
these guys, and so it is, uh, it is not
a church that anyone should get involved in. Landing Shot
and Heather Shot are two pastors that are to be
(59:47):
marked and avoided. So Lord willin We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Both the
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Game
Welcome to the Long for Truth podcast. I'm Robin Long.
Join my husband Dan and I as we explore the
roots of the early Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and we
shine a light on false doctrines and false teachers in
the modern church. Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A lot of you might know that John Paul Jackson
was our spiritual father before he passed away. He was
battling cancer at the time and he had beat it,
but the treatments that he was on for the cancer
had broken down his immune system so much that he
acquired other sicknesses and illnesses. And this call that Landon gets,
they tell him that John Paul is probably not going
(00:41):
to make it through the night, and we are shocked.
John Paul happens to live in Texas. We just got there.
Landon was able to jump in the car, and Landa
was able to jump the car and to get to
John Paul. If we were still living in Arizona, we
would have never have made it. He would have never
made it to his bedside before he passed. And so
(01:03):
here's Landon kneeling at John Paul's bedside and he is
just praying and worshiping and as he's praying and worshiping,
kneeling next to John Paul Jackson. What he says is
extremely hard to describe, but a supernatural encounter and he
feels a mantle released over his life. He comes home
(01:28):
and he begins to share with me, and I don't
remember if it was that night or the next day.
He's trying to give words of what happened in this moment,
and our phone rings again and it's a pastor we
haven't talked to in years in another state, and he says,
I don't know what just happened, but right now, I
(01:48):
just had a vision of John Paul Jackson's mantle being
passed down to you. And there was something that I
was holding in my heart, and I didn't want to
say it because I was so grateful and thankful that
God brought us to Texas for Landon to get to
the bedside of John Paul before he passed. But the
(02:10):
thing that I hid in my heart is Lord, I
wish I could have been there. I wish I could
have been in that moment at his bedside too. So
I bow my head. I'm sitting on my knees with
my hands out, and all of this sudden. I feel
the release from God of John Paul Jackson's mantle over
(02:32):
my life.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hello everyone, welcome along for truth. My name is Daniel Long.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
All right.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
We have talked quite a bit over the past couple
of weeks about Mercy Culture. We're going to continue that
theme today because they are a dangerous church. Their pastors
Landed and Heathershot are dangerous people, and they promote a
prophetic psychic. That's right, a prophetic psychic to their people.
I'm talking about the late John Paul Jackson. I have
(02:58):
some clips that are going to show you that John
Paul Jackson is nothing more than a prophetic prophetic psychic.
That's all he is. What he does is just repackaged
New age psychic occultic stuff. You're going to see that
(03:20):
in this video. And I have asked a new friend
of mine to join me. His name is Pablo Marte.
He has a YouTube channel, small YouTube channel, and he
is on Facebook with a Facebook page called Pablo Reacts
where he reacts to different videos of false teacher. So
I've invited him on today. Had a great conversation and
(03:41):
hopefully this will benefit you and you'll be able to
glean a lot from this episode and hopefully you're edified. So,
without further ado, here is my conversation with Pablo. Pablo Marte,
thank you so much for coming on the channel today.
You and I have been talking the past week. I
(04:01):
sent you a link to this video of Landon's shot
and RT Kendall having a discussion in Landon's podcast, and
so we're gonna talk about that. One of the main
things that I want to highlight is how mystical a
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lot of this stuff is, how gnostic and even a
cultic some of this stuff is, especially when we get
to John Paul Jackson, Rodney Howard Brown, and RT Kendall's vision.
John Paul Jackson is basically a psychic, and that Pablo
is there is Mercy Cultures, Pastors Heather, and Landon's spiritual father.
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Before we get to that, though, I want to introduce
you to my guests who may not know who you are.
You have a show called Pablo Reacts where you just
put up videos and your react to talk to us
about how why you're doing that and give us a
little bit of info about yourself.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Okay, thank you Daniel for having me on. It's a
blessing to be on here. So I have a biblical
counseling center. My wife and I counsel a lot of
people that come from the charismatic movement mostly, and so
a lot of people have been coming to us and
we helped them guide them through the scriptures. And so
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we had a case here that that was pretty big.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
There was a pastor that I had met. I went
to his church. He had me come in and speak
to to like a men's group he had, and his
wife had my wife come over and speak to a
women's group. And so we met this guy right, met
him at one time thought he, you know, seemed like
a good guy. And not too long after, like two
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or three months later, he sent a woman over so
that my wife can counsel her. And come to find
out that this was somebody who he took advantage of. Right,
this person was new to the Lord, and she asked
to speak to the wife about a situation that she
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was having, right she wanted counsel and so the wife said, no, no,
speak to my husband about that, and so they started
meeting and pretty much it ended up into becoming an affair.
And so us finding that out, we wanted to take action,
right away, right, But obviously we are counselors.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
We are we.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Have to uphold confidentiality and we can't just you know,
talk about what we hear here and what we help
people with. And so it was a hard situation. I mean,
it lasted almost a year where we couldn't speak on
this matter until finally my wife was able to talk
to the woman and get her to open up where
she finally came out and confessed, you know, publicly. And
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so when she did that, then we were able to
talk with her, take down a lot of of her
testimony to say or what had happened to her pretty much,
and she wrote down key points, she had, text messages,
she had, you know, hotel receipts, I mean, a lot
of a lot of evidence. And so we used that
and got to hold of the elders of that church,
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met with two of them, my wife and I this
woman and the elders, and we sat down and they
confirmed that they had heard a lot of other stories
about this pastor h and now this kind of helped
them to to take action. And so this was like
on a Tuday night and we were hoping to get
them off the pulpit by Sunday. It ended up being
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that these guys went right away called up up the
ladder of their denomination and they were able that Wednesday.
The next day they got him out of the church,
so he didn't even do Bible study. So we were
happy about that incident, right, but it took a toll
on us. It took a big toll on my wife
having to hold this secret, you know, knowing that this
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guy was out there and possibly hurting other people in
the body of Christ. And so as soon as I
was able to, I you know, I was able. Once
we dealt with that with the elders and saw how
it played out in their church, then we said, okay,
well I want to make a video. So my wife
and I made a video. We talked about it, and
then I decided, you know what, I can't recommend people
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to just any church. As a biblical counselor, one of
my responsibilities is to make sure that the believer is
in a good Bible preaching church, right in a good
church community. And so a lot of these people came
out of broken churches, or they're broken through the church
that they're in charismatic hyper charismatic, and so we I
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can't just recommend any church, right, I can't go on
Google and say, well where do you live? Let me
say here's the closest church to you. No. I had
to sit down and review sermons so that now I
can make a list and say, well, this seems like
a good church. I know the pastor there, I've talked
to him. That's what got me started making videos online
and then reacting to sermons.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Okay, so this this, doing this really helps you with
your your biblical counseling ministry. Then doing this kind of
discernment work because you can you can talk to people
in a counseling session about a false teacher, right oh yeah, yeah,
oh and and warren and warn you know, and warn
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others about them that that's a that's a good that's
a good thing. That's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
All right.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What did you think of this video that I sent you, Pablo?
What did you think of it? I know you, you
and I've talked and you've you've watched it a couple
of times. And this isn't I know you do reactions,
so this isn't actually going to be a reaction video.
But what were your thoughts when you were looking at
this video and and uh, you know, seeing this conversation
(09:52):
between RT. Kendall and Land and shot all right.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So I did want to say this. My first impression was,
this is a terrible a lot of like you mentioned earlier, right,
gnostic beliefs, and it just seems more with you know,
that they're focused on signs and wonders and hearing God's
voice actually not through the scriptures, but through any other
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way that they can possibly right, So that struck me
right away. But second is Artie Kendo being close to
ninety years old or ninety years old already, and he
just seems like, you know, innocent, you know, an elder,
you know, an age, you know, someone that you want
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to respect and be kind to, you know. I mean
I was raised right, you got to you know, respect
your elders. And so I almost felt like, I don't
want to say anything about this man, you know. But
but listening to the video, I mean you'll see that
there's a lot of things that are problematic.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, a lot of things are problematic. And Artie Kendle
is well respected within the charismatic movement. He's sort of
liked Sam Storms, But uh, what the thing that really
hit me about this video, Pablo, was just what I
mentioned in the beginning, these visions and dreams, and especially
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when we get to John Paul Jackson and his dream
interpretation stuff is very akin to what you would see
in the occult. And that's why, you know, I called
you said, look, let's let's not. Let's not because we
were going to originally just do a reaction of the
whole video. We're just gonna just go through the whole
video and just do a reaction. And I called you
(11:40):
up and I said, look, let let's let's let's bring
this aspect out because this is Mercy culture, folks. And
Robin and I have done a couple of videos now
highlighting Mercy culture. I did one on dreams and Visions
and Heather shot with Flat Savchuk, and then Robin and
I last week put a video up warning people about
Mercy Cult. And by the way, Pablo, I don't know
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if I told you this or not, but you've seen
everything about Mike Winger and his you know the copyrights
right claims. Uh, well, we got a copyright claim as well,
and we're probably going to get a copyright claim on
this video too, because that's just they they are. They
don't want people to critique them. They don't want people
(12:24):
to critique their ministry. So anyway, that's neither here nor there.
That's probably that's just I'm almost guaranteeing it's going to happen.
But one of the things I want to do is
just warn people that are are just stuck in this
movement in this church that what they are believing, what
they are listening to is not biblical. And again some
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of it is really really has similarities to what you
would see in you know, the the Occult. So I
want to start Paul Blow with a clip of from
this this actual podcast interview between Land and Shot and
RT Kendall. So, and I want to play something that
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when I first saw this, I was like, wait, wait
what And this is something that Art Kendall talks about.
So I just listen. It's it's actually about a photograph. Watch.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
So tell me your favorite John Paul Jackson's story because
I love talking about John Paul. God used him to
literally save my life, Like he was he was water
in the desert for me. He God supernaturally used him
to help restore my soul and it was amazing blessing.
So I hold him as deer, and I knew him
as the old wise sage. And I love talking to
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people that knew him longer than me because he might
have been the rascal punk back in the day. So
I love hearing all the different stories. What's your favorite
story about John Paul Jackson.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
It's not brief, okay, but I'll do my best. Yeah,
tell it, keep it brief. He was in the vestry
at Westminster Chapel. This would have been back in the nineties,
sometime during the night effort. I'd have to look at
my diary to see exactly when it was. I just said,
John Paul, can you say to tell anything about a
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person by looking at their photograph? He said, yeah, I can.
So I got a picture of my son tr. I said, here,
this is my son. He looked at Oh, oh, your
son tr is going to be the main instrument to
bring the work of the Holy Spirit into Westminster Chapel.
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I said, John Paul, I'm sorry, but you got this wrong.
That can't be right, because first of all, my son's
not even serving the Lord right now, I have to
tell you, and he's living in Florida. He doesn't even
live here in England. So he's not going to be
able to bring the Ministry of the Holy Spirit into
Westminster Chapel. And I said, let's talk about something else. Well,
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he just said, we'll see, all.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Right, Pablo. Let me get your reactions to that clip.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
First of all, John Paul Jackson being the spiritual father
of a Landon shot and his wife you know over
there mercy culture. Uh. And then Artie Kendo being John
Paul Jackson's spiritual father, so technically Landon is talking to
his spiritual granddad right there in front of him.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Ah, man, But but but this, you know, I mean
grabbing a photograph and you know, giving a prophecy on
this photograph or you know speaking you know, this is
a divination. This is what you know what the Bible
in the Old Testament says, right to stay away from that.
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They didn't have photographs back then. But but this is
what this is, you know, holding someone's hand or looking
for something in the future to predict, you know, that's
what this is. Yeah, it's like reading, it really is.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And I'm going to show you. I'm going to show
a clip in a minute, but I want to read
a couple of passages of scripture here if I can,
because I think it's super important that folks know what
the Bible says about this. Deuteronomy eighteen ten through twelve.
There shall not be found among you. Anyone who burns
his son or his daughter is an offering. Anyone who
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practices divination, or tells fortunes or interprets omens. For whoever
does these things is an abomination to the Lord. Jeremiah
fourteen fourteen, and the Lord said to me, the prophets
are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them,
nor did I command them to or speak to them.
They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination,
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and the deceit of their own minds. And so one
of the things that I wanted to highlight really quickly
about that verse in Jeremiah is when the Lord says,
nor did I command them or speak to them, they
are prophesying to you a lying vision. But look what
he calls that lying vision next, worthless divination. A lying
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vision is nothing but worthless divination. But yeah, it's just
it's just crazy. And then one more Lamentations two fourteen.
Your prophets have been have seen. Let me let me
start that over your prophets have seen for you false
and deceptive visions. They have not exposed your iniquity to
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restore your fortunes, but have seen for you, But have
seen for you oracles that are false and misleading. Uh,
it's it's just this, like you said, Pablo, This, that's
what this kind of stuff is the first time I
listened to that clip, or actually listen to the video,
and I heard artist say that, I like that. That
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was the first thing that popped in MYO psychic photo readings,
you know what I mean. Let me let me just
pop something up on the screen so you and the
folks can see it.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Here.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
This is actually a screenshot of a psychic's website called
Carolynclairvoyant dot com and she charges twenty bucks for you
to send a photo in so that you can actually
read it. And then look at this one. I found
this on Etsy and you can see it's an AI
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generated photo. You can do you AI pretty but psychic
reading with photo, same hour guaranteed. Now that's a better
price there, three dollars and eighty five cents. It's a
lot better than twenty bucks. But anyway, so yeah, anything
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you want to.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Add again, This is it's the same thing that John
Paul Jackson was doing. It's psychic reading. It's a sure.
Let me see the photograph and you know, I will
examine it and I'll just tell you the first thing
that pops into my brain and you know, make you
think that that this is a God speaking that I'm speaking,
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you know, or God speaking through me, you know, which
is if he tells us not to do it in
his word, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Let me just let me just bring the next clip
in here. This is actually from an actual psychics YouTube channel,
So watch this.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
Hey there, I'm Judy Kruhon. Welcome to something we do
a little differently on Fridays because it is a fan favorite,
Psychic Friday. Today, I'm interviewing a woman who I've had
on the show in the past. He might have heard her,
Cindy Balkley. Cindy is a renowned psychic medium and intuitive
energy reader with a unique gift. She can tune into
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someone's energy simply by looking at their photo. For over
two decades, Cindy has helped clients across the globe gain
clarity on life's most pressing questions, from love and career
to purpose and healing. Her grounded approach and natural warmth
make her a trusted voice in the world of intuitive guidance.
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Whether you're a spiritual seeker or just curious, Cindy's insights
are always enlightening, empowering, and more often than not, uncannily accurate. Cindy,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh and how are you?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (20:37):
I am so good. Thank you. Hey. For those who
are new to your work, how would you describe the
way you receive messages from someone's photo. If I look
at a photo, I just automatically turned into them and
it starts talking to me, and I listen and I
talk about what I see.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So the biggest thing is I let my mind flow
and I don't analyzed anything.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, Pablo, she lets her mind flow and she doesn't
analyze anything. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Uh? Sounds pretty similar to what John Paul Jackson is doing.
He you know, looks at the photograph and just, you know, uh,
says what he thinks about, you know, what's on a picture,
what's on you know, on a piece of paper in
front of him. You know, it's just it's it's it's
worthless divination, it's you know, it's it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah. And and also one of the things I want
to to bring up and get your thoughts on this.
Have you ever heard, I know I've heard this often
from a lot of teachers, that it's not the mind
that matters, right, it's the heart. So when you need
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to you need to just turn off your mind and
just kind of let your heart, your heart do the
do the talking. Have you Have you heard that?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yes? I have heard that teaching many times, you know.
And and God gave us the mind for a reason,
you know, He gave us the mind so that we
can reason. Right. Everywhere Paul went into the synagogue when
he started preaching was to reason with the Jews there,
to reason with them from the scriptures. And you need
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your mind for that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, that's a good point. I just thought it was.
It was just so similar to what she said there
in the end where she kind of she doesn't she
doesn't analyze anything, she just lets it kind of flow,
you know what I mean, So that that kind of
reminded me of that. All right, So let's, uh, any
anything else you want to add before we go to
our next clip, because this next clip, I think, Folks
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is going to really solidify what we're saying here. But
anything else you want to you want to add.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Uh, Well, just to finish the point there, they're turning
off the mind is a dangerous thing, I believe, because
then you become upsettable too, uh, going along with who
knows what is speaking to you? Right? It could be
a person or preacher, right, especially when a preacher tells
you repeat after me, and you know it's like you.
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They do that to turn your mind off. And so
when you turn your mind off, you're who knows what's
channeling through you? I know, I know if you open
yourself up to any of these weird practices.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, and speaking of weird practices, we're going to see
exactly what uh what a weird situation, a weird scenario
or situation happened uh with a couple of John Paul
Jackson's students. So watch this clip and then I'll get
your thoughts.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
So my interns were walking down to this bookstore and
saw the sign in the in the bookstore wind to
the said horoscope readings and uh spiritual readings and so
uh no tarot card readings, horroscope reading and tarot card
readings at this bookstore Saturday night. So myur came back
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and said, hey, why don't we do like a spiritual
reading and dream interpretation night? So I said, hey, give
it a shot. So they go to the manager of
the bookstore and they say in Fort Worth, Texas, and
they say to this. To the manager, they say, hey,
we would like to do some dream interpretations and do
spiritual readings, which basically is a non churchy name for prophesying. See,
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you have to take churchiness out. We are so churchy.
So we are trying to d churchy our language. See
it's not very vocous, it's not very academically sound and
grammatically correct, but you know what it works. And so
we're trying to d church, not d God d church.
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See we're not compromising anything. We're just taking away some
of the church's methodology and going with maybe God's methodology.
And so we went into this bookstore. We went into
this They went into this manager of the bookstore and
she said, okay, well I had a dream eight years
of that no one's been able to interpret, so if
you interpret it, I'll give you a shot. Oh so
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you know, and now my interns go, you, now, this
is where the rubber meets the road, either you pass
or you fail to a one time shot. So she
told the dream, and they began to give the interpretation
of a dream. And as they did, she began to cry.
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And as she began to cry, she began to cry
so profusely she slid out of her chair onto the floor, crying.
When she was able to compose herself, when they finished
the interpretation, she got up and said, Okay, I'll give
you a shot, folks.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That is the spiritual father to Heather and landing shot.
That was John Paul Jackson. And that was about twelve
years ago. What are your thoughts, Pablo.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Uh Man? So much wrong with that?
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
First of all, they see what the world is doing,
and they want to compete with the world. It is
what it seemed to me, right that they that they
can go into this bookstore, right and and and again
interpret a dream from from the manager there, from from
the bookstore, from the owner of the bookstore. And then
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what's his name, John Paul Jackson saying, we're not trying
to you know, d God. He said, right, we're trying
to d Church right, like the vocabulary. It's not you know,
you're not de churching it. You're de bibling it, right,
I mean, it is a biblical language prophecy, you know.
But it's okay that they change the vocabulary because that's
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not what they're doing. They're not prophesying, they're you know,
what they're doing from their own thoughts is from there
turning off the mind and they're they're just going from
their own thoughts you know, or whatever else. Like I
said earlier, he is channeling through them.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, it's really sad because this is at
a church, John Paul Jackson speaking at so you have
Christians there there in the audience, and he is like
basically saying if you you know, because he's teaching. What
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he's doing there is he's teaching a workshop on dreams
and visions. So basically just go. You know, even if
even if you see a psychic you want to be
a good testimony, you want to be a good witness, Yeah,
you can set up in a psychic shop where ah,
it just it blows my mind. You can set a
booth up in a psychic shop. It's kind of like,
what is that. Some of these guys used to do it, Bethel.
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They used to go to these New Age festivals and
they used to set up booths to do prophetic readings.
This kind of stuff is is really totally forbidden in
scripture and it's a cult. Like you know, and while
John Paul Jackson may claim to be a Christian, I'm
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gonna I'm gonna play another clip in a minute that
you're going to see some of his teaching and what
he believes, you know, about Satan and Satan's control even
in uh, even in shale. But the point is is
that these guys are setting up shop at a bookstore
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to compete with psychic tarot card readings and psychic uh
uh what was it, horoscope readings. It's just it's it's
just horrible. And that again, and and I want to
keep emphasizing this. That's the spiritual father of the two
pastors of most Mercy Culture Church. You know, anything else
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you want to add to that?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Uh yeah, Mercy Culture is dangerous you know, to to Christians,
to believers. You know, it's a like you mentioned there,
John Paul Jackson is giving this workshop at a church
and people are there taking notes, and you know, they're
enjoying this stuff like like they're going to go apply it,
you know, they're going to go interpret dreams. And again
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they're they're leading them away. What the scripture says not
to do is what they're doing. They're leading people away
into trying to figure out, you know, what the future
might bring or it's it's it's ridiculous and dangerous.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It is, but so is it?
Speaker 8 (29:39):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So we have the dream interpretation. We have a dream
interpretation workshop here where he's he's promoting you know it,
at least maybe not, he doesn't do this openly and
all of his stuff, but at least here he's he's
making it seem okay to just set up booth in
us in a in a you know, in a shot
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where they have terror card readings. But then there's the
teaching as well. And Robin's the one that actually found
this clip. And so listen to what he says about
Satan and who is uh and who's actually in control
in this clip?
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Watch she old everybody went to Shield means Barren Womb.
Samuel was in Shield. Everybody went there, Adam went there,
Eve went there, King went there, Abe went there. Everybody
went to Shield, Noah went there, Sham him, Jacob went there.
All the descendants went there. Everybody went to shield because
guests who controlled the afterlife. I'll give you a hint name.
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He is an s and Anzel a n No, not Saturn.
Satan controlled it. How do we know that? We know
that because in Luke chapter four, Satan comes to Jesus
tempts him and he says, see all these kingdoms, I
will give it to you, along with their authority because
it has been delivered to me. Who delivered it to him?
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Because of the AA ends with an m Adam exactly,
Adam gave it to Satan. Satan had control of death,
hell and the grave. When everybody died, they were under
the rule of Satan because Satan had been given everything
up to that point on Earth. So Samuel was under
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the control of Satan. No wonder he was angry because
when you read this, he says, And Samuel was angry.
And when news call up, why would he be angry?
Because he, a righteous man, had to obey the rule
over him. Satan said, Samuel, go up. No, sam you
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know I've been given authority.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
You go up.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
He had to go.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
That is horrific. That is absolutely horrific. Now, before I
get your thoughts, I do know that that is dominion
teaching dominion theology. However, that's kind of taken dominion theology
to the next level. I have heard a lot of
teaching on dominion theology. I have never heard anything so
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egregious as saying that Satan had control of all of
those who were counted righteous in Christ before Christ came
to earth to die. So, you know, and I say
Old Testament saints because the Old Testament saints were saved
the same way really the New Testament saints are saved,
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and that's by faith, faith in the coming Messiah. They
looked toward the coming of the Messiah. We look back
at the Messiah. So the very fact that he would
say all of the Old Testament saints basically went into
Satan's domain, and Satan had control of them and could
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command them and do whatever he wanted to do with them,
it's egregious. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
It is terrible. I mean, uh, we could we could
debunk his his explanation there right, just from listening to him. Right.
He talks about how when when Satan offered Jesus, right, hey,
all this that you see right has been given to me.
And he says why because Adam gave it to him, right,
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So did Adam have and what did he mention? He
mentioned you know, the earth, death, the grave? Right, those
are the things that he mentioned. I believe there. I mean,
you know, did Adam have control of these things? You know,
to give them to Satan? Right? When Satan again told Jesus,
I mean he said all this that you see here,
all the kingdoms right of the earth. He's not talking
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about shield, right, he's not talking about again, it doesn't
track what he's saying, you know, it doesn't make sense.
It's typical.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, when he talks about that typical dominion theology where
back in the garden Adam was and and it also
kind of tracks with word faith theology too, because they
believe that Adam was a little god and uh, he
gave his and Adam had dominion over it, which which
he he does. And even now we still we have dominion.
We've been given that dominion, that authority, and that hasn't changed.
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Sin has certainly tainted that. But that's that's a different
that's a different teaching. But Adam gave up his authority
willingly to say, so it's this typical dominion teaching. But
What goes a step further is this whole idea that
the New Testament or the Old Testament saints were under
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the control of Satan in shale or she, however you
want to pronounce it. But he's he's referring to the
Second Samuel, second or First Samuel. Sorry, First Samuel, chapter
twenty eight, and then I think it's fifteen through nineteen.
Can we take a look at that? Do you mind
if we do that, I'm gonna share my screen here
and pop us in here, and I want to come
(35:20):
over here, and we might as well read this thing
in context, so folks understand exactly what passage he was
speaking of. I want to start in verse seven, Okay,
that way it goes right to the story. Then Saul
said to a servant, seek out for me a woman
who is a medium. Then I may go to her
and inquire of her. And if servants said to him, behold,
there's a medium and indoor. I always think of Star Wars.
(35:42):
It wasn't that E walks on indoor. I can't remember
if that's what. So Saul disguised himself and put on
other garment, other garments, and went he and two men
with him and it came to the woman by night,
and he said, divine for me by a spirit. Or yeah,
divine for me by a spirit, and bring up from
(36:03):
me whomver I shall name to you. The woman said
to him, surely you know that Saul has done what
Saul is done, how he was cut off the mediums
and the neckromancers from the land. Why then, are you
laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?
But Saul swore to her, by the Lord, as the
Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.
(36:25):
Then the woman said, whom shall I bring up? He said,
bring up Samuel for me. When the woman saw Samuel,
she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman
said to Saul, why have you deceived me? You were
a Saul. The king said to her, don't be afraid.
What do you see? And the woman said to Saul,
I see a god coming up out of the earth.
He said to her, what is his appearance? And she said,
(36:47):
an old man is coming up, and he is wrapped
in a robe. And Saul knew that it was Samuel,
and he bowed his face to the ground and paid
him homage. Then Samuel said to Saul, why have you
just disturbed me by bringing me up? Saul answered, I
am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me,
and God has turned away from me and answers me
(37:09):
no more, either by the prophets or by the dreams. Therefore,
I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.
And Samuel said, why then do you ask me? Since
the Lord has turned from you and become your enemy.
The Lord has done to you as he spoke by me.
For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your
hand and given it to your neighbor David, because you
(37:30):
did not obey the voice of the Lord and did
not carry out his fierce wrath against Amelik. Therefore the
Lord has done this thing to you this day. Moreover,
the Lord will give Israel also with you, and to
the hand of the Philistines. Tomorrow you and your son
shall be with me. The Lord will give the army
of Israel also and to the hand of the Philistines.
(37:54):
Then Saul fell at once full length on the ground,
filled with fear because of the words of Samuel. So,
I mean, I look at this passage, and I don't
see anything in that there's nothing in scripture that says
Satan is in control of what was happening. Uh, you know,
(38:15):
to to to the Saints after they died, that he
was in control of shale and they had to obey him.
This all comes from John Paul Jackson's own own mind.
He he literally made that that teaching up. There's there's
nothing in scripture that even implies that. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Uh? Well, John Paul Jackson turns off his mind so often.
I mean, he just goes through whatever comes to him.
You know, he's making stuff up on the fly, you know,
and he's good at it, you know. I mean that
that's what he That's what he did for so long. Yeah,
he's definitely twisting scripture. I mean twist scripture does not
say what he says that it says. And and like
(38:56):
you said, he's just creating, uh, his own interns rotation,
you know, that completely false. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah. There's also a passage in Luke that I want
us to look at too, because I think this teaching
from christ how Needy debunks that whole idea. So we're
going to go back and we're going to take another
look at what scripture says. In Luke. When we look
at the story of the rich Man and Lazarus, there
was a rich man who was clothed in purple and
(39:25):
fine linen. And keep in mind this is all before
so this is supposed to be during the you know,
right before the phase where Christ dies and raises and ascends.
So yeah, if John Paul Jackson's right, then the Old
Testament saints saints are still here. I mean, you know
(39:46):
the passage mentions Abraham. So start from from here. There
was a There was a rich man who was clothed
in purple and fine linen, who feasted sumptuously every day.
And Edie's gate was a was laid up poor man
named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed
with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even
(40:09):
the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man
died and was carried by the angels to abraham side.
The rich man also died and was buried and in haities.
Being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw
Abraham and Lazarus afar off, and he called out, Father Abraham,
have mercy on me, and send Lazaruth Lazarus to dip
the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue,
(40:30):
for I am in anguish in this flame. But Abraham said, child,
remember that you and your lifetime received your good things,
and Lazarus in like manner bad things. But now he
is comforted here and you are in english anguish. And
this is the first I wanted you to see, this
one right here. And besides all this between us and you,
a great chasm has been fixed in order that those
(40:53):
who would pass from here to you may not be able,
and none may cross from there to us. That is
the passage that I really wanted to pour. The verse
from that passage that I really wanted to point out
because to me, that just debunks, just that one passage
debunks that Satan is in control if there's a chasm there,
(41:15):
you know, and the people who were not uh we're not.
I was gonna say, Christians, the people who were not
saints went to the lake or you know, hell basically
the fire, the flame, and people who were saints were
they were in Abraham's bosom, they were on the other
(41:36):
side of the chasm. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Yeah, No, I mean, uh, Scripture itself already uh you know,
debunked what John Point Jackson was saying. Yeah, I mean
this is a wonderful parable that has such great insight,
you know, and and we can use it to help
clarify you know when people twist the scriptures, you know.
(42:00):
But yeah, there it clearly shows that that people that
were dead right before Christ died and ascended that they
were already with Abraham. So Abraham was not in the control,
he was not in show. He was separate from Lazareth,
I'm sorry, not from Lazareth, from the rich man. We
don't know the rich man's name, but we know Lazarus
who was with Abraham. Yep. And yeah, that'd he bunks
(42:24):
the company.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, absolutely. And nowhere in scripture does it say, as
we said before that you know that Satan ruled shale
or controlled the souls of the dead. Cheo simply refers
to the grave or the realm of the dead, not
a place under Satan's authority. And the Bible clearly teaches that.
(42:47):
We've seen passages that talk about God even being present
in Shale, like Job twenty six six, Shale is naked
before God and Abadan has no covering. And then Saw
one thirty nine to eight, where David says, if I
ascend to heaven, you are there. If I make my
bed and shale, you are there. So anyway, it's just
(43:11):
just really horrible stuff. All Right, we're gonna move on
because we're going to be looking at a clip here
from RT Kendall and he is actually going to be
talking about and he's gonna and and see this is
another thing too. I do understand that RT. Kendall is
(43:33):
I do understand that he is very respected, and we
you know, we know that. But when a man promotes
somebody like Rodney Howard Brown, well even in John Paul Jackson,
but even even more Rodney Howard Brown, who you know
is responsible for the Laughing Revival in the early nineties,
(43:58):
this is this is egregious as well, because this is
pointing people to well, not only a false movement, but
a guy who is blatantly, blatantly promoting damning doctrine. You know,
this whole his whole teaching is just so so off.
(44:21):
But I want to play this clip now from the
podcast a little more of that podcast between Land and
Shot and RT Kendles, So check this next clip out.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Some months later, Rodney Howard Brown was in town and
my wife had a condition. I won't go into detail,
but fast forward. Rodney healed her. I mean, God did it.
Rodney and a Donne could prayed for her and she
was instantly healed. And then he said, well, you should
(44:54):
come to one of our camp meetings in Lakeland, Florida.
And Rtio wants you to come with her. I couldn't,
but she could and he paid her way over. Okay,
So she goes to Lakeland, Florida. Our son tr is
living in the Florida Keys, and so she phones tr
could you come to Lakeland to get me to take
me to the airport and he said, okay, but don't
(45:19):
ask me to go to that meeting. So when he
comes to Lakeland to get her, she said, please, would
you just come for one hour? One hour? He said, okay,
one hour, and then we leave four hours later. He's
right in the middle of the whole thing. He didn't
want to leave. And then he's so impressed with Rodney
(45:44):
that he finds out where he goes next is to
New Orleans. Tr drives to New Orleans and goes to
hear Rodney preach and well, Rodney, so blessed tr tr
was changed. I mean, he he just it was a
(46:04):
different man. And I know about this because a friend
of mine went also to watch tr and he wrote me,
I don't know whether you know whether it's happening. Here's son.
You got a big time last night when Rodney prayed
for him.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
So there's so much to unpack here, so much to
talk about. We could take you know, we get to
almost do a whole video on Widney Howard Brown just
and use that clip kind of as a springboard for that.
But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
So, right, he's using Rodney Howard Brown because right, he
supposedly healed his wife from a condition, right that he
you know, he'd rather not say. And and it's possible
that God can heal someone. We've heard this and a
Benny hen a crusade or you know, in a blatant
(47:06):
false teacher that you know healing may take place. But also,
you know Todd White, how many healings does he have?
How many legs has he grown out? You know that claims,
so to take that as a basis, but you know,
he's the twisting of scripture is what you know that
(47:27):
the Holy Spirit can't be operating where at least not
through Howard. Through Rodney Howard Brown, with all the twisting
of scripture going on. You know, we're to test the
spirits and we're to you know, test it with the
word of God, and with all the twisting that is
going on, it doesn't make any sense. And like you said,
we can go on through so many things on this.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
But but Urt Ken though, Yeah, promoting right, giving a
good word for Rodney Howard Brown is dangerous, very for
the body.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
And in one of the things I want to want
to just kind of let the folks know. So this
is how this supposed prophecy from John Paul Jackson came
to be fulfilled through Rodney Howard Brown. So TR Rodney
(48:18):
Howard Brown says that RT's son tr is going to
bring the Holy Spirit into Westminster Chapel. Right, That's how
he's going to do it. And God uses Rodney Howard Brown,
according to RT. Kendall, to fulfill that prophecy two uh,
(48:39):
you know, to bring that prophetic word to pass. And
yet we know specifically what kind of guy Rodney Howard
Brown is. If if you've watched this channel folks long enough,
we've we've talked about the Toronto Blessing, and how Rodney
Howard Brown was, you know, played a role in that
because because it was it was Randy Clark that went
(49:04):
to see Rodney Howard Brown when Rodney Howard Brown was
at rama in in you know, Kenneth Hagen's College and
he was speaking there and Randy, Randy Clark got a
got a touch from Rodney Howard Brown, and he took
that back to Toronto and you sparked the Toronto Blessing.
(49:28):
I mean, that's the influence that Rodney and we saw
what happened with with uh, with the Toronto Blessing. Chris
Roseboro put out a video yesterday on was it yesterday, No,
it was a couple of days ago on the Unholy
Spirit of Bethel, and he did a really good job.
He did a really good job highlighting the work of
(49:49):
the Holy Spirit. I mean he just laid it right
out there for you in scripture and showed you from
scripture what the work of the Holy Spirit is and
contrasted that with what's going on on with Bethel. I'll
put a link to that that video down in the
in the description, but uh, I mean that's what we
have from from Rodney Howard Brown, any other any other thoughts.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Pablo, Uh, you have more experience with Rodney Howard Brown.
I know you've made some videos in the past of him.
He does have a nickname, right.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
He does have a nickname.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
What is his?
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Isn't he the Holy Spirit Bartender or something like that?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you are right. You are right, sir,
speaking of the Holy Tender, Holy the Holy Tender, the
Holy Spirit Bartender. Check this next clip out. Okay, this
is Rodney Hower Brown.
Speaker 11 (50:43):
Folks, and we are witnesses of all things which he did,
both in the land of the.
Speaker 12 (50:49):
Jews and in Jerusalem, whom.
Speaker 11 (50:51):
The sloop and the hands on a tree him God
raised up on the third day and showed him up relief,
not all people, but until witnesses chosen before God, even
to us who did eat and drink with him, after
he rose from the dead, and he commanded us to
preach under the.
Speaker 12 (51:12):
People, and to testify that it is he which was
a dand of God, to be the judge of the
preak and the dead. To him give all the prophets
witness that through his name who serve and believed in.
Speaker 11 (51:27):
Him shall receive remission.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Of sins.
Speaker 12 (51:30):
Well, Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell
on all them which heard the world.
Speaker 11 (51:58):
May the Lord bless the reading.
Speaker 6 (52:00):
Love is good.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I don't know how anyone can say that that is Christian,
that that's the Holy Spirit. That's not the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Folks, what do you thought? Not at all?
Speaker 5 (52:54):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Well, just right there at the end, right, they pan
on the audience. I mean, first of all, while he's
reading the scriptures, they're laughing, right, it seems no reverence,
no reverence of God's word, no reverence of God. And
they're laughing so right. I know it's because they believe
that that's the Holy Spirit. Right, but they're at the
(53:16):
end that just you see him looking everybody's you know,
laughing because they have the Holy Spirit. He doesn't have
it because he's just looking at them, you know, with
a straight face, So he doesn't have the Holy Spirit.
And then you know, for people to just you know,
for one gentleman to get up and start running, it's
that always, you know, makes me laugh, you know, I mean, right,
it does resemble resemble the scriptures right, what he was
(53:38):
reading there. When when when Peter got up and was
preaching his sermon, right, and it does tell us that
all the people from all the different countries, different languages,
they started running around in circles. Right, some of them
are still running to this day. Now what it says,
that is.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Not what it says, brother, And uh yeah, I mean
it's just uh, it's absolutely insanity. Can you imagine, you know,
I thought, I'm thinking about Ezra. Do you remember the
story in Ezra where Ezra It might have been Nami,
I think it was Ezra. Where Ezra is. He they
build a platform for him and he opens up the
scriptures and he begins to read, and the people sat.
(54:15):
The people were reverent, and they listened, and they they
were touched and they cried because and they were because
they the law hit them. And so the the teachers
or the people that were with Ezra, the men that
were with Azra went around and explained the scriptures to them.
There was reverence. There's always reverence when the Word of
(54:37):
God has read. And when he's reading scripture and you
just hear cackling and laughing, that is not I promise,
I promise, that is not the holy spirit. That is
an unholy spirit. Very scary. But there's another clip that
Robin found that I'd never seen and it is. Okay,
(54:59):
So let me give some context here for this next clip.
You're gonna you're gonna watch Bablo Rodney Howard Brown in
this uh in this in in in this meeting is
going to start kind of singing without any instruments or
anything like that. But he's not singing, he's chanting. He's
(55:20):
chanting unintelligible, just weird stuff. And all of a sudden
you hear as he begins to chant. I don't know
if it's the audience. I don't know if he's got
something playing in the speakers, which he might have, but
there's just this weird, weird thing that happens. Let me
play this next clip for you and tell me what you.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
Think us.
Speaker 10 (56:46):
Anything anything? Wow?
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, I mean that's all you can say. There's not
a lot there to comment there unless you have something
you want to say.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
Well, well, I mean a lot of hyper charismatics. I
would say, use right where they use uh, you know,
chords on a keyboard or or something just to to
to elicit an emotion from the people, you know, I
mean that that's what they're doing there, you know, and
it's uh, you know, as if that's the Holy Spirit.
(57:37):
You know, let's create this emotion and now let's attribute
that that we just created to God.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Very telling, very very true, and very creepy. I'm i'm,
I'm ye. You know, I have no problem saying it's
just really really creepy. But that that, folks, is how
this supposed vision or this I'm sorry, the supposed prophecy
from John Paul Jackson was fulfilled by tr going to
(58:06):
a Rodney Howard Brown service, getting hit with the Holy
Spirit and being a changed man. Nothing about repentance, nothing
about the gospel from tr And and the Bible makes
it really clear what the power of God to salvation is.
It's the preaching of the Gospel. Pauls in Rome one seventeen.
I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for
(58:28):
it is the power of God or salvation to those
who believe. It's the preaching of the Word that brings conviction. Hobbley,
thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate
you taking time out of your Saturday to come on
the show and discuss this with me.
Speaker 4 (58:48):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for having me on. It's been great.
And yeah, if you have me on again, it would
be wonderful to talk to another brother in the Lord
and help and courage people watching.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah, and I and I plan to do that. I'd
love to have you on again. It was a good
conversation and uh so yeah, let's uh keep doing what
you're doing. And I'll put a link to where folks
can find you in the YouTube description. And folks, again,
Pablo has a small YouTube channel, but he's going to
be posting more videos. Go over there and subscribe to
his channel. That would be great. It would really help
(59:22):
him out anyway, folks, Mercy Culture is an extremely dangerous church.
We have talked about this now for the past few weeks,
and more people are coming out with videos against these
these guys, and so it is, uh, it is not
a church that anyone should get involved in. Landing Shot
and Heather Shot are two pastors that are to be
(59:47):
marked and avoided. So Lord willin We'll see you next week.
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