Episode 145 of The Love Chapter with Pastor Duane Matthews focuses on Proverbs 28:13. Pastor Matthews delves into the importance of confession and repentance, highlighting how concealing sins can hinder spiritual and personal growth. Through thoughtful teaching, he emphasizes that mercy and forgiveness come to those who openly confess and turn away from their wrongdoings. This episode encourages listeners to embrace honesty with God and others, leading to a life of freedom and love.
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Sister, the blood of your life even if you do
something wrong. So run from the world, repent and run
to the word.
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God pass his arms open to you.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
The Creator got your fronty got your back, He got
your side. You didn't know that you didn't had to
run high that he will pull you even when your
backsides and let's ride with the angels.
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Does not need to cry.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Uh.
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We'll tell you why you are the apple upperside.
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And you'll never believe that this paper never dies, dies,
never cries on. You can never turn the spare despised
or eyes on the one that makes your holes and
fries the Devil's miss right before our ready dis sacnotize
he reach your poor, that pride pass the skies into
the Goudan pries the we're appraisal.
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Forgive me because I got that voice with the nasled twang.
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I do my thing the way that God rain is
the sadnabout you.
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It's the Od, not t You will be a z
for all eyes on g.
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O d yes, yes, yes, yes, it is me, the
devil slayer. Hallelujah, mister devil slayer. My beautiful loving wife
is not here today. She's she's uh, she's battling Satan,
taking down the hordes of hell. Where she's at right now,
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so we just keep her lifted up in prayer. Amen, hallelujah.
How you guys doing, Hello, Jerry, Jerry the Batman halled lujah, Jerry.
I like what you're doing. That's what I'm gonna say.
I like what you're doing. I've been liking it. That's
why we're down with you.
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Amen.
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Amen, Yes, Yes, this is a this is the love Chapters,
and this is the positive Power. Twenty one Radio Network. Hallelujah, hallelujah.
Hello to all of you out there that's following us
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want to do is spread the gospel. All we want
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It's all about the word. So we thank you for
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bless the haters.
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I bless you.
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Know I declare the creeter. We don't have any haters.
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And there's more to come. There's more to come.
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Hallelujah is a great thing where we can use technology
to spread the good news of the Gospel.
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Who is Jesus, Hallelujah.
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So much to talk about, so much to talk about,
So thank you God, thank you. Let's get into prayer
real quick, because last week we got into such a
deep topic that we never even got a chance to pray.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
We just went right in with the word Amen, Amen, Amen,
so heaply.
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Father, we just thank you, thank you, thank you so
much for you being you, for you creating us, for
you loving us, for you being the all seer all Noah,
for you being our father, and for you calling us
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your children. Hallelujah. We thank you for the blood of
Jesus that made it all possible for us to have
a direct conduit to you. We thank you for a sacrifice, hallelujah.
And we thank you that you blessed us to bless others.
We thank you that you served us with Jesus so
that we could serve others.
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Hallelujah. So let us always be mindful and not.
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Forget about those who don't know you, those who don't
know Jesus, those who are in the dark, who don't
know Holy Spirit.
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Oh my God, you had me.
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Uh uh being compassionate and empathetic to those souls that
I that I saw on the trains today without a
bite to.
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Eat, laying on the ground, laying on.
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Their dirty sneakers, laying on benches and without nothing to eat,
and and and the struggle that they go through every day,
or we don't know where the struggle is.
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Father, Not like those, not like those individuals.
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Uh, bless me, Bless these individuals to help the needy,
to feed them, to clothe them, to to to to
help them out of the situations that they're in. Father God, hallelujah.
Thank you Father so much for this platform. I mean,
thank you so much for the listeners who will have
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their ears open to what I'm about to speak about.
Bless their families, Father God, blessed uh the United States
of America and all of these countries to uh uh
turn away from greed and and turn away from powermongering,
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turn away, turn away from dictatorship, turn away from violence,
and turn towards the Holy Spirit. Hallelujah in Jesus' name,
in Christious with Jesus Yesua, the Messiah, Jesus King, Lord
of the Lord's Mighty name.
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Amen, Amen, Amen, Anna Adam I ad.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
An I hallelujah. All right, So let's get into it.
Let's dig in because we got a lot to talk about.
And I can tell you right now, this is going
to be a series. Right here, this is going to
be a series. We are We're going to title this
the Journey of the Past, the Journey of the pastor okay,
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Journey of a pastor right, because it's it's so much
that there's so many twists and turns to this, we're
just gonna put it under that title.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Okay.
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And this is actually part two coming out of last week.
It was our it was our three year anniversary. I
want you to I want you to turn the Ephesians four,
verse eleven or thirteen and keep your hand there.
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Okay.
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We me and my wife were our pastors, and there
was a journey that we took. There was a journey
that we traverse into becoming pastors and then individually how
we how we met, and how we came to this point.
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So there had to be a starting point. And it's
not it wasn't always. It wasn't pretty, wasn't pretty where
we're at now. It it wasn't a cake walk at all.
It wasn't a dance in the daffodils. This was some
serious business, okay. And I started to go over last
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week my journey and my wife's journey. But now I'm
gona go into detail because you know, for for those
Christians who gave their life to Christ who want to
uh embark on becoming a pastor or becoming a leader,
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wanting to become a shepherd or a prophet. There's a
there's a walk, there's a walk, there's a talk, and
then there's a walk that you have to do.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
See. So, so I want to talk to y'all for
a minute. Can I Can I talk to y'all?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I want to talk. I want to talk. Okay, I
want to talk to you. Can I talk to y'all.
Let's go to the Ephesians. Let's go to Ephesians, and
let's break it down. Okay, because I want to really talk.
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To you guys.
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Okay, let's go to the Ephesians four eleven thirteen. Now
I'm reading out of the ees V version. Okay, what's
it said. It says in we're going to read from
eleven and he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists,
the shepherds, the teachers, to equip the saints for the
work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
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until we all attain to the unity of the faith
and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to
mature manhood to the measure of the stature of the
fullness of Christ. That's the ESV version. Now let's read
from the Good News Translation Okay, verse eleven, it was
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he who gave gifts to people. So right there we
see that the apostle, the prophet, it is a gift.
These titles are gifts. It was he who gave gifts
to the people. He appointed some to be apostles, others
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to be prophets, others to be evangelists, others to be
pastors and teachers.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
He did this. Now listen to this. He says he
did this to.
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Prepare all God's people, not just some, but all God's
people for the work of Christian service, in order to
build up the body of Christ. And so we shall
all come together to that oneness in our faith and
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in our knowledge of the Son of God. We shall
become mature people reaching to the very height of Christ
full statue of Hallelujah, Glory to God. So a question
to you is, do you know that you have been
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called to this mighty army of God to possess a gift?
You have gifts in you? Okay, you have gifts because
you're supposed to be doing the work of a Christian service.
You're supposed to do in the Christian service. And it
says here he prepared all God's people So if you
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didn't know under the sound of my voice, now you
know you have a gift and God wants to use you.
And there's a lot of people who, I mean, we
were talking about this last week who either don't know
that they have a gift and they just fall back
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and they just listen to the Word and they go
on living their life, or they get saved and then
they don't listen to the Word and they're going on
living their life, or they're going they just listen to
the word under the pastor not knowing that there's a
call to office upon that God wants to that God
wants to put upon your life. So now the second
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thing is that do you know that God is.
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Talking to you?
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Do you know that God wants you to have a
calling and God has a calling on you. Do you
know that you can listen to God? Do you know
that you can talk to God? Do you know that
God is talking to you all the time. Okay, so
those are other things that we can talk about, but
just know, according to this scripture Ephesians for verse thirteen,
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that there's a calling on your life, there's an appointment
upon your life, there's an anointing anointing on your life
as a gift, and you must find out what it is.
So last week me and my wife discussed this. We
started to and we discussed with you guys about us
being ordained as pastors for the last three years. We've
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been we've been past us for the last three years
and our life. Our three year anniversary was actually last
week that we were on the show, and it was
the three year anniversary of this magnificent event. Was it
was very humbling, to say the least, but it was also.
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The ride.
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This journey has been powerfully involved. It's been a powerfully
invoked journey of us learning how to do nothing more
that we have the title of pastor, which is a leader, right,
but we have learned how to do nothing more than
to decrease. We have learned nothing more than how to
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decrease in order for Him God to increase during our
walk with the Lord Jesus, in order to effectively learn
how to lead vicariously with Him in and at the
forefront of our life lives and all in between. It okay,
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that means in the ministry, in our marriage, with our child,
with other people, with the haters, with the back byers,
with the slanderers, with the lovely ones, with the supporters,
with our jobs, with the doctors. He has to be there,
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in the forefront and all in it all the time.
He has to be there when I wake up, he
has to be there when I, when I, when I,
when when I, when I UH get into it with
my wife. He has to be there because there's gonna
be any getting into it. That's because and then took
my eyes off him the sheet and took her eyes
off of him, just for a minute, and then it
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go completely coplunk until we say, okay, well, let's get
back in Christ and get away from what we're going in.
He's always there, He's vicariously living through us. So we've learned.
We've learned as a couple, move corporately, as a unit,
as a group, as a family.
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And individually and individually.
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We've learned how to move because I'm not always around
my wife and she's not always around me, and she
takes care of business over here, and I take care
of business over there, and so we move individually also
with Holy Spirit. It is he who counsels us to
live this life out righteously.
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Amen. Somebody say amen to that?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
So we've been through the dips, the trips, and the
skips and the doovers, and the highs and the lows,
and it's been wonderful.
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It's been scary at the.
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Same time, but the experience has also been exhilarating. It's
all at the same time. And so God gave me
this the example of a roller coaster ride, okay, and
how I am Right, Whenever I'm going to an amusement
park and I see the biggest, largest roller coaster ride
and my friends is telling me, all right, we're getting
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on this, I'm like, no, we're not getting on it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I'm not getting you can get on it.
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I'm not getting on it, okay, But then before you
know it, they're don't talk me into getting on this ride.
And I as soon as we're like at the gate
and we're about to go on, you know, the butterflies
getting your stomach. You're nervous, you're scared, you know, but
then they pull you on, You're like, oh my god.
So you get on and you're scared at first, and
then you're going through it and then you're like First
you're like whoa, Then you're like yeah, Then you're like,
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let's go for it.
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Before you know it.
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Once you get off, you want to do it again.
It's scary, it's a wonderful thing when you're doing it,
and then it's exhilarating when you get off, and then
you want to go again.
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That's how it is with Holy Spirit.
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As you go through the ups and downs and the
highs and lows and the duvovers that the skips and
the dips right then it's it's you could be scared
at first because you know you're stepping out into the unknown.
You're stepping out into the unknown. You're only stepping.
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Out with God, right, so you have to have faith that.
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When he's taking you somewhere, the Jesus faith you have
to you have to hold on.
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To that, have to cling on to. First you could
be like, no, no, no, I don't want to.
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Do that God, But then boom these he says, come on,
let's go. You jump on and boom, before you know
you're in. You're going through it, and then after itself
he's like, look at what God did.
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Wow. You get exhilarated, and then you're ready for the
next journey.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
That's how it's been. That's how it's been with with
with with God and man? Can anybody attest to that? Hallelujahself?
I for one, I for one, right when I got
the corner a pastor, or when or when we got saved,
I didn't know what to expect, and I did know
what to expect, but it was.
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Sort of like, oh my God, how am I going
to do this?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
You know?
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So I didn't know that I would what I would
be experiencing as a pastor, let alone a Christian man
of God, because I'm still trying to walk this love
walk out. I'm still trying to work on me. So
how many of you know that? You know, a lot
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of times you can you could look back at your
life and you can say, Okay, you know what, I
should have had kids later on, or maybe I should
have got married later on, or or maybe I should
not have went to the school, I should have went
to another school or whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You know, you you're sort of like.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You it's it's it's it's it's you you expect when
you go through something. But then when you're going through
sometimes you say, you know what, maybe maybe this wasn't
the right time, you know, because maybe I wasn't ready
for this, you know.
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So when you're when you're that.
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So that's how I felt once once we got ordained
as past this that's when I started getting butterflies. I'm like,
oh God, maybe I should have waited a little longer,
you know, because there's a there's a whole, there's a whole,
there's a whole learning phase that you go through. There's
a whole process phase that you go to to get
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to where you gotta go. But then you gotta go
through it too, so that's also a learning process. So
I remember when I first got called to be a
past when we was discussing this last week. I got
the call on my life before I even entered the church,
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before I went up to the pulpit.
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I got the call.
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That I was going to be a pastor before I
said the South Asian prayer. I've said this before on
past episodes or are in talking, but I can distinctly,
succinctly remember, succinctly remembering God telling me that I was
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going to be a pastor before I stepped up to the.
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Pulpit to get saved.
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Okay, so let me let me provide the context first.
Let me let me insert the context, because one I
want to I want to make sure that I'm a
line with Holy Spirit. I'm going to make sure that
what I'm saying is lible, Holy Spirit and Holy and God.
Make sure that there's no distractions and no obstructions that
can get in my way as I as I profess
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and talk to these beautiful individuals that you call your children,
Hallelujah and Jesus, they may men. So I want to
make sure that I'm aligned to the Holy Spirit, and
I want to also give correct insight and elaboration on
what I'm about to say. You know what I'm saying, Jerry,
because it's very, very important to be as accurate as
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possible because as a leader, and Jerry, I know you
know this because you're a leader, right, You got a family,
right you, Minister, you know, I've come to realize that
I have a large responsibility to the individuals that are
listening to me, to us, me and my wife on
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this platform and in other venues in other areas. Okay,
so when I'm alone, let me give an example. When
I'm alone, Well, when I'm with my wife and we're
and we're talking about the Gospel, and we're talking about
applying the Word of God, to our everyday lives and
everything that we go through. You know, we're talking when
we're life and when life is life. And when when
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I'm talking to her right and I turn to not
look at her like I might be doing something, I'm
talking to her at the same time. But then when
I look at her right, she's staring at me with
such an intensity, and she's looking at me so intently
on site to every word that I'm saying, like she's
actually studying, taking in and absorbing everything that I'm mentioning
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to her. Like I can actually see her eyes looking
right at my lips as I'm speaking. She's wide eyes,
She's like taking everything in. So I have to make
sure that I'm on point with God and Holy Spirit
because she's counting on me guidance, and if I'm not
on point, trust me, she's going to let me know.
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She's going to remind me.
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So I can joyously say without a shade of a doubt,
when I stay open with what Holy Spirit is telling
me to say, I haven't been off quilty yet. I
haven't been off quilty yet. Why because I let God lead. Now,
when I don't let God lead, I'm a mess. I
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say that right now I'm a mess. But I can
tell you every time when I listen to God, and
God then gives me a word to tell my wife
in conversation while life is life and it's prophetic and
what I'm saying is really what He's saying, and then
it comes to life.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Okay.
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So but my point is is that there are souls
that's listening right now to this radio network who are
guided what I'm saying right now as I speak, who
are on the verge, who are on the fence, who
are teetering right now, who need a word, who need
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want and desire guidance.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Amen. And they're listening to.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
My voice because they want to hear Holy Spirit speak
through me to their situation. So, Father, I pray that
the listener is listening with spiritual ears at this moment
and receives what I'm going to talk about. So it's
my responsibility to make sure I'm right with God, Jesus
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and Holy Spirit for their sake, for your sake, the
listener's sake, and the sake of the Gospel being spread
in a responsible manner and a responsible shape and form
in which I present it to you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Amen.
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So for context, let me go back before I continue on. So,
a couple of episodes ago, right, I said that I
was talking about salvation, and according to Romans ten nine,
that you must confess with your mouth that Jesus is
Lord and Savior in order to receive salvation.
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Amen. I mean that's what.
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Most of the Christian nation believes, a rather large portion
of it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right.
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I found out that about a month ago, right, that
that's not totally one hundred accurate. Okay, So I confessed
this on the radio live that I had to come
back and apologize because I found out there was more.
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I found out that they're about a month ago that
there's a large faction of Christian believers that believe that
you don't have to confess Immanuel as Lord in order
to be saved.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
All you have to do is believe. But Scripture tells
us different.
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Scripture tells us Romans are ten verse nine, if you
declare what your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in
your heart that God raised in front of the dead, that.
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You will be saved.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Verse ten says for it is with your heart that
you believe and are justify, and it is with your
mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Right, So it.
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Came to my attention that again that it's unnecessary to
have to say the salvation prayer.
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In order to be saved.
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Now, you can say it if you choose, But if
you know in your heart that Jesus's Lord and Savior,
you don't have to be in a church setting to
be saved, or you don't even have to have a
witness to declare to declare it if you choose. But
if you want to say the salvation prayer, you could
say it, but you don't have to say it. It's
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not a prerequisite to salvation, okay. And so what Romans
ten to nine is saying is that if you believe
it in your.
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Heart right.
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You help, you already have salvation, and the process of
you having salvation, that you're supposed to go out like
it says that Matthew says, you're supposed to go out
and make disciples. Whatever the case, you're supposed to live
this word. You're supposed to live out the word. You're
supposed to be speaking about the Gospel wherever you go,
either through either through deed or in talking and speaking,
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and people will know that there's something different about you,
they'll know that you're a man or woman of God.
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They'll know that.
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You're a child to God just by your walk, just
by the things that you do, just by the things
that you don't get involved in the speak about that
you don't curse, that you don't carry on, they'll see
a goodness in you. And man, so it doesn't have
to be that you're always spent in scriptures out your mouth,
but it could just be that you know you're walk
is uh is a valid walk that shows righteousness. There
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was a gentleman that I knew that when I was
in school, right when I was looking at all the
pretty pretty ladies that was passing by, he never looked. Okay,
when I was saying, look at that five piece of tail,
he never looked. He didn't even get involved in it.
And so first I thought it was funny. You know,
first I thought, you know, uh, he was funny. But
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and and and and and he was so focused and
and you know, he never looked. He joked around me,
but he never looked at the woman I picked that up.
He never talked about him right, and and in class
he was just smooth, you know, just cool, just just
cool breeze, you know what I'm saying.
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And turned out later I found out that he was saved.
He was saved.
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I wasn't saved at the time. But the interesting thing
about it is that I was so impressed with him
not giving into the temptation that I was given into.
I wished I was like him. That that name is
his name is brother Everett. He's been on the show before,
a powerful, powerful brother. He's been my friend for a
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very long time, very long time, and so I wanted
what he had, you know. But at the time I
didn't know that he had Christ. Until later on after
I've gotten said, I got saved, and I realized you
got Christ.
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You see, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
He led by example, He led by example. He showed
that he was a man of God, even though I
didn't know what a man.
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Of God was at the time. So anyway, so that's
what that means. That's what that means.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
When you lead with God, when you when you when
when you do the things of God right you When
somebody asked, yo, what is it that you have? How
are you the way that you are, You're going to
say Jesus, I got Jesus I got Jesus. And then see,
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so what you're doing now, you're spreading the gospel when
you talk about Jesus.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
In fact, that's how I got saved. Okay, And we're
going to get into that. But so so, so so
so salvation is in the heart. And what's this said,
what's the old cliche? God reads the heart anyways? Correct,
he reads your heart. So so let's let's let's solidify
this now. So if believe in Jesus is what you have,
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then it's salvation you have.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
That the church saying that.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
So if if you want to go back for more
detail and scriptures and the points that we made the
bullet points, uh, you can go back to the last
two episodes, because we really got.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
It in okay.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
And so I can attest to this being true because
one specific reason in which I discussed this in the
prior episodes and and prior is that I got saved
before I said the salvation prayer. Okay, So first let's
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break it down. First, when you do get saved, whether
you said the salvation prayer or not, but when you
do get saved, holy Spirit now takes up residence in
your heart, takes up residence in your body. Okay, Holy
Spirit has entered the building and Holy Spirit is not
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going anywhere. Let's go to Ephesians one thirteen to fourteen.
Let's go to the King James version, in whom you
also trusted. Now, let me just let you know we're
not gonna be able to finish this all in this episode.
So this is going to be a series because I
want you guys to really understand. I want you guys
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to all take the sin on because here it is.
Here it is. I was a pastor. I'm a pastor, right,
I've been a pastor for three years, and I.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Came on.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Talking about how you have to say the Salvation prayer
as a pastor. I was saying this right, but then
I had to be spiritually corrected by my spiritual father. Okay,
pastor pay flow dollar, right, I got corrected and then
I had to come and apologize.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Right.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
So that means so even pastors don't always get it right. Okay,
even pastors don't always get it right. So this is
another This is part of the journey of being a pastor.
This is a part of the journey of being a leader,
being able to humble yourself out to be corrected and
then be able to come before millions of people and
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apologize for being inaccurate. A man if he's just one
thirteen or fourteen says, and whom ye also trusted. This
is the King James version, and whom he also trusted.
After that ye heard the Word of truth, the Gospel
of your salvation, and whom also after that ye believed
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ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which
is the earnest of our inheritance, until the redemption of
the purchase, possession, until the praise of His glory. Well
say that it says that the Gospel of your salvation,
and whom also after that ye believed ye were sealed
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with that Holy Spirit of promise. What is it saying.
It's saying once you believed Holy Spirit came in you,
once you believed it. Didn't say once you confess. It
says after that ye believed you were sealed with the
Holy Spirit. Let's go to the New Living Translation, same scripture.
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If heats one, thirteen and fourteen. I want you to
take these scriptures, pray on them. And now you gentiles,
what is gentiles, gentiles, is people that were unsaved? Okay,
but they come, I was a gentile one time, okay,
when I didn't know what my brother while my brother
wasn't looking at the woman, when I was looking at
the woman just because I was a gentile and he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
And now you gentiles, this is Paul talking. And now
you gentiles, have also heard the truth, the good news
that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ,
he identified you as his own by what by giving
you the Holy Spirit whom he promised long ago. The
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Spirit is God's guarantee that he will give us the
inheritance he promised, and that He has purchased us to
be his own people. He did this so we would
praise and glorify him. Look at the new King. James
version says, in him, you also trusted after you heard
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the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, and
whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy
Spirit of promise, who is to guarantee of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchase possession, to the praise
of His.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Glory, you were sealed. And if the Lord gave me a.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Vision of a medication like Titlan, all right, when you
go into Walmart or Dwayne Reed or CBS, right, or
a drug store. Right when you go for the Titan,
all right, when you pick it up, what does it have?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It has a.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Child proof top that can't come on when a child
takes it off, and also has a plastic around the
top a seal it's sealed in. Right, So if that
plastic is if that plastic sealed is broken, you don't
pick up that one. That means a non. It's it's
it's it's tainted. It could be tainted.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Not only does it have a seal on it, right,
but you can't even get to the title all because
it's encased in a plastic on the shelf. It's in
case in a plastic lock. And in order to get
to the title and all, you have to call the
customer service rep to come and take off the unlock
the title and offer you to even see the seal.
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That's how much you're sealed with the Holy Spirit and
UH and and A in a in a broader term,
that's how you're in a much lesser term, but the
same concept. You have a seal, you are sealed. The
Holy Spirit is sealed inside you. Amen, the new Century
version an NCV version you probably never heard of that.
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It says, so it is with you. When you heard
that your teaching the good news about your salvation, you
believed in Christ, and in Christ, God put his special
mark of ownership on you by giving you the Holy
Spirit that He had promised. That Holy Spirit is the guarantee.
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The guarantee is a promise. The guarantee is an o
rated declared promise. It's a covenant, okay, that we will
receive what God promised for his people until God gives
full freedom to those who are His to.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Bring praise to God's glory.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
The American Standard version the ASV says, and whom ye
also having heard the Word of truth, the Gospel of
your salvation, and whom having also believed, you were sealed
with the Holy Spirit of promise, hallelujah. The Darby Bible says,
in whom ye also have trusted, having heard the Word
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of the Truth, the glad tidings of your salvation, and
whom also having believed, ye have been sealed with the
Holy Spirit of promise. And the God's Word translation says,
you heard and believed the message of truth, the good
news that He has saved you in him. You were
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sealed with the Holy Spirit, whom he promised. Now listen
very closely to what I'm going to say. If you
didn't know, one Holy Spirit has taken up residence in
your heart. Whatever demonic entity or entities, whatever force or
power or principality that was in you, has spiritually has
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been spiritually forced out of you, out of your heart, done, diminished, evacuated, gone.
This means every sicken, disease, every mouth nourished, malcontent, malevolent, mischievous,
mistaken spirit that has ever been in you has now
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now got to leave the building, leave your house, which
is the home of your heart. Because Holy Spirit trumps
every other idol, every god, little g ever known to man.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
They got to.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Go Psalms ninety six for six SSS for Greatest the
Lord and Holy to be praised, to be feared above
all gods. For the gods and the nations are nothing
but idols. But the Lord made the heavens, the splendor
and power go before him. Power and grand door are
in the Holy Place, are in His Holy Place. So
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once you've accepted Jesus Lord ADENI as the Messiah, the
one the chosen, the Savior. The Holy Spirit automatically comes
in into inside you to be with you forever. If
you believe he Holy Spirit comes into you quick fast.
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If you believe that Jesus sacrificed his life on the cross.
And if you don't want to call him Jesus, you
can call him, yes you, you can call him, Yesah,
you can call them whoever you want to call him.
You can call him and and I you call him
whatever you want. If you believe he hold the Spirit
comes into you quick fast.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
He's here to stay.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
And I don't care what people say about well, you
can lose the Holy ghosts and he has to come
back inside you. You have to be filled up with
the Holy Ghost. No, that's not true, because scripture tells
you specifically, what's the vibe? He's not going anywhere. What's
to say? Go to Hebrews thirteen five or six, the
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ESV version. It says, keep your life free from money,
from the love of money, and be content with what
you have have.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Right.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
It says, for he has said what, I will never
leave you nor forsake you. So we confidently say, the
Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can
man do to me. Dudonomy thirty one says six to eight.
The ESV Versus says, be strong and courageous. Do not
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fear or be in dread of them. For it is
the Lord your God who goes with you. He will
not leave you nor forsake you. Then Moses summoned Joshua
and said to him, in the sight of all Israel,
be stronger courageous, for you shall go with this people
into the land that the Lord has worn to their
fathers to give them, and you shall put them in
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possession of it. It is the Lord who goes before you.
He will be with you. He will not leave you
or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed. Hallelujah.
What are you fearing today? Are you fearing the call
on your life? Go towards it. Listen out for the
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call on your life. I got to stop right here
because my time is up. Next week we're going to
continue with this, okay, because there's a leader in you
that has to come out. There's a leader, and you
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might be leading. Maybe you need helping your leadership. Turn
towards the Lord. He is with you. He will never
leave you nor forsake you. This is important that I
come back because there's so much I want to say.
I still want to talk to you about how the
Lord spoke to me before before I said the Salvation prayer. Oh,
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there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Next week.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
I'll be back with my wife next week and we'll
discuss this further because it gets deep. But I want
you to be encouraged. I want you to be exhilarated.
I want you to be motivated and inspire because there's
so much more to talk about, beloved, And guess what,
if you don't know that there's a leader in you,
you could come to Christ right now if you so
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choose to say the Salvation prayer. What you can say,
you can get salvation still. And if you don't want
to say the prayer, that's fine, but if you, oh,
I also want to talk to you guys about saying
the Salvation prayer because there's something behind that too. And
we're gonna after I've finished talking about this, somebody remind me, Jerry,
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remind me that we got to talk about what happens?
What does the Salvation prayer? What does it do for you?
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Amen?
Speaker 5 (42:43):
All right, come on, who wants to say the Salvation
prayer would be you could say it right now, Heavenly Father.
I recognize then I'm a sinner, and I don't want
to sin anymore. I want Christ, who sacrificed his life
on the course for me, for my sins, for my iniquities,
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for my infirmities, for my injuries, for my doubt, for
my guilt, for my condemnation, to enter into me, to
shape me and holp me into what you God want
me to be. I repent of my sins, which means
I make one hundred and eighty degree change to do
God what you want me to do. In Christ, Jesus
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Mighty name. Amen, if you said your prayer, you are
now saved. And as my wife is saying A thousand names,
just godfive a thousand names, just magnify. We welcome, We
welcome you today. Hallelujah. You did it. You did it,
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You did it. If you did it, reach out to us.
We'll help you learn scripture, will help you get a Bible.
We'll help you find a demon stomping church that you
can go to by reaching out to us at u
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I'm getting good at this because my wife normally says this,
all right, reach out to us, all right, and.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Uh, we'll take a walk.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
We'll take a walk on the light side because you
turned from the doctor coming to the light.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Hollelujah.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Congratulations, and that's our episode. Next week we'll get back
into it. Okay, go away to God. Thanks for hanging
out with us. Thank you, Jered. We love you and
only God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit love you more.
And the greatness of my wife child for now.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
That's right, sisters, the.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Blood unto your life, even if you do something boring,
running from the herd, repent and running to the word God.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Becky got your side.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You didn't know that, you didn't had to run the
high that he will pull you to even win your backside.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So let's ride with the angels. That's no need to cry.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
We'll tell you why you are the apple upper side
and you'll never leave it. This pipper never Diesnerize cries on.
You can never turn the spat since spies all eyes
on the one that makes your host ries.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
The devil's to my right before our revery dives.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Satan times, you can't reach your for that prize past
the skies into God's your prize. We're craiser. Forgive me
because I got that voice with the naso twang. I
do my thing the way that God grant said, oh
with mind sent it.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
But it's not a what's good years Your man scolded
the Narrow from the multi platinum group Drew Hill. And
I'm proud to say that I'm from Baltimore, Maryland, and
you're now listening to my man Jerry Royce Live podcast,
the best international radio state.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
In the whole wide world.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Peace of Love,
Sister, the blood of your life even if you do
something wrong. So run from the world, repent and run
to the word.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
God pass his arms open to you.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
The Creator got your fronty got your back, He got
your side. You didn't know that you didn't had to
run high that he will pull you even when your
backsides and let's ride with the angels.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Does not need to cry.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We'll tell you why you are the apple upperside.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And you'll never believe that this paper never dies, dies,
never cries on. You can never turn the spare despised
or eyes on the one that makes your holes and
fries the Devil's miss right before our ready dis sacnotize
he reach your poor, that pride pass the skies into
the Goudan pries the we're appraisal.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Forgive me because I got that voice with the nasled twang.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I do my thing the way that God rain is
the sadnabout you.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's the Od, not t You will be a z
for all eyes on g.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
O d yes, yes, yes, yes, it is me, the
devil slayer. Hallelujah, mister devil slayer. My beautiful loving wife
is not here today. She's she's uh, she's battling Satan,
taking down the hordes of hell. Where she's at right now,
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so we just keep her lifted up in prayer. Amen, hallelujah.
How you guys doing, Hello, Jerry, Jerry the Batman halled lujah, Jerry.
I like what you're doing. That's what I'm gonna say.
I like what you're doing. I've been liking it. That's
why we're down with you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Amen, Yes, Yes, this is a this is the love Chapters,
and this is the positive Power. Twenty one Radio Network. Hallelujah, hallelujah.
Hello to all of you out there that's following us
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want to do is spread the gospel. All we want
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want to spread the joy of salvation and all of
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It's all about the word. So we thank you for
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ones that detract it from us. I want to thank
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bless you. God, continue to bless you, God, continue to
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bless the haters.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I bless you.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Know I declare the creeter. We don't have any haters.
We love everybody. We love everybody. So we thank you
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Speaker 4 (03:39):
And there's more to come. There's more to come.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Hallelujah is a great thing where we can use technology
to spread the good news of the Gospel.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Who is Jesus, Hallelujah.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So much to talk about, so much to talk about,
So thank you God, thank you. Let's get into prayer
real quick, because last week we got into such a
deep topic that we never even got a chance to pray.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
We just went right in with the word Amen, Amen, Amen,
so heaply.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Father, we just thank you, thank you, thank you so
much for you being you, for you creating us, for
you loving us, for you being the all seer all Noah,
for you being our father, and for you calling us
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your children. Hallelujah. We thank you for the blood of
Jesus that made it all possible for us to have
a direct conduit to you. We thank you for a sacrifice, hallelujah.
And we thank you that you blessed us to bless others.
We thank you that you served us with Jesus so
that we could serve others.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Hallelujah. So let us always be mindful and not.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Forget about those who don't know you, those who don't
know Jesus, those who are in the dark, who don't
know Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Oh my God, you had me.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Uh uh being compassionate and empathetic to those souls that
I that I saw on the trains today without a
bite to.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Eat, laying on the ground, laying on.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Their dirty sneakers, laying on benches and without nothing to eat,
and and and the struggle that they go through every day,
or we don't know where the struggle is.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Father, Not like those, not like those individuals.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Uh, bless me, Bless these individuals to help the needy,
to feed them, to clothe them, to to to to
help them out of the situations that they're in. Father God, hallelujah.
Thank you Father so much for this platform. I mean,
thank you so much for the listeners who will have
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their ears open to what I'm about to speak about.
Bless their families, Father God, blessed uh the United States
of America and all of these countries to uh uh
turn away from greed and and turn away from powermongering,
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turn away, turn away from dictatorship, turn away from violence,
and turn towards the Holy Spirit. Hallelujah in Jesus' name,
in Christious with Jesus Yesua, the Messiah, Jesus King, Lord
of the Lord's Mighty name.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Amen, Amen, Amen, Anna Adam I ad.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
An I hallelujah. All right, So let's get into it.
Let's dig in because we got a lot to talk about.
And I can tell you right now, this is going
to be a series. Right here, this is going to
be a series. We are We're going to title this
the Journey of the Past, the Journey of the pastor okay,
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Journey of a pastor right, because it's it's so much
that there's so many twists and turns to this, we're
just gonna put it under that title.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
And this is actually part two coming out of last week.
It was our it was our three year anniversary. I
want you to I want you to turn the Ephesians four,
verse eleven or thirteen and keep your hand there.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
We me and my wife were our pastors, and there
was a journey that we took. There was a journey
that we traverse into becoming pastors and then individually how
we how we met, and how we came to this point.
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So there had to be a starting point. And it's
not it wasn't always. It wasn't pretty, wasn't pretty where
we're at now. It it wasn't a cake walk at all.
It wasn't a dance in the daffodils. This was some
serious business, okay. And I started to go over last
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week my journey and my wife's journey. But now I'm
gona go into detail because you know, for for those
Christians who gave their life to Christ who want to
uh embark on becoming a pastor or becoming a leader,
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wanting to become a shepherd or a prophet. There's a
there's a walk, there's a walk, there's a talk, and
then there's a walk that you have to do.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
See. So, so I want to talk to y'all for
a minute. Can I Can I talk to y'all?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I want to talk. I want to talk. Okay, I
want to talk to you. Can I talk to y'all.
Let's go to the Ephesians. Let's go to Ephesians, and
let's break it down. Okay, because I want to really talk.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
To you guys.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Okay, let's go to the Ephesians four eleven thirteen. Now
I'm reading out of the ees V version. Okay, what's
it said. It says in we're going to read from
eleven and he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists,
the shepherds, the teachers, to equip the saints for the
work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
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until we all attain to the unity of the faith
and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to
mature manhood to the measure of the stature of the
fullness of Christ. That's the ESV version. Now let's read
from the Good News Translation Okay, verse eleven, it was
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he who gave gifts to people. So right there we
see that the apostle, the prophet, it is a gift.
These titles are gifts. It was he who gave gifts
to the people. He appointed some to be apostles, others
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to be prophets, others to be evangelists, others to be
pastors and teachers.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
He did this. Now listen to this. He says he
did this to.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Prepare all God's people, not just some, but all God's
people for the work of Christian service, in order to
build up the body of Christ. And so we shall
all come together to that oneness in our faith and
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in our knowledge of the Son of God. We shall
become mature people reaching to the very height of Christ
full statue of Hallelujah, Glory to God. So a question
to you is, do you know that you have been
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called to this mighty army of God to possess a gift?
You have gifts in you? Okay, you have gifts because
you're supposed to be doing the work of a Christian service.
You're supposed to do in the Christian service. And it
says here he prepared all God's people So if you
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didn't know under the sound of my voice, now you
know you have a gift and God wants to use you.
And there's a lot of people who, I mean, we
were talking about this last week who either don't know
that they have a gift and they just fall back
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and they just listen to the Word and they go
on living their life, or they get saved and then
they don't listen to the Word and they're going on
living their life, or they're going they just listen to
the word under the pastor not knowing that there's a
call to office upon that God wants to that God
wants to put upon your life. So now the second
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thing is that do you know that God is.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Talking to you?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Do you know that God wants you to have a
calling and God has a calling on you. Do you
know that you can listen to God? Do you know
that you can talk to God? Do you know that
God is talking to you all the time. Okay, so
those are other things that we can talk about, but
just know, according to this scripture Ephesians for verse thirteen,
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that there's a calling on your life, there's an appointment
upon your life, there's an anointing anointing on your life
as a gift, and you must find out what it is.
So last week me and my wife discussed this. We
started to and we discussed with you guys about us
being ordained as pastors for the last three years. We've
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been we've been past us for the last three years
and our life. Our three year anniversary was actually last
week that we were on the show, and it was
the three year anniversary of this magnificent event. Was it
was very humbling, to say the least, but it was also.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
The ride.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
This journey has been powerfully involved. It's been a powerfully
invoked journey of us learning how to do nothing more
that we have the title of pastor, which is a leader, right,
but we have learned how to do nothing more than
to decrease. We have learned nothing more than how to
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decrease in order for Him God to increase during our
walk with the Lord Jesus, in order to effectively learn
how to lead vicariously with Him in and at the
forefront of our life lives and all in between. It okay,
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that means in the ministry, in our marriage, with our child,
with other people, with the haters, with the back byers,
with the slanderers, with the lovely ones, with the supporters,
with our jobs, with the doctors. He has to be there,
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in the forefront and all in it all the time.
He has to be there when I wake up, he
has to be there when I, when I, when I,
when when I, when I UH get into it with
my wife. He has to be there because there's gonna
be any getting into it. That's because and then took
my eyes off him the sheet and took her eyes
off of him, just for a minute, and then it
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go completely coplunk until we say, okay, well, let's get
back in Christ and get away from what we're going in.
He's always there, He's vicariously living through us. So we've learned.
We've learned as a couple, move corporately, as a unit,
as a group, as a family.
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And individually and individually.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
We've learned how to move because I'm not always around
my wife and she's not always around me, and she
takes care of business over here, and I take care
of business over there, and so we move individually also
with Holy Spirit. It is he who counsels us to
live this life out righteously.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Amen. Somebody say amen to that?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
So we've been through the dips, the trips, and the
skips and the doovers, and the highs and the lows,
and it's been wonderful.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
It's been scary at the.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Same time, but the experience has also been exhilarating. It's
all at the same time. And so God gave me
this the example of a roller coaster ride, okay, and
how I am Right, Whenever I'm going to an amusement
park and I see the biggest, largest roller coaster ride
and my friends is telling me, all right, we're getting
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on this, I'm like, no, we're not getting on it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I'm not getting you can get on it.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I'm not getting on it, okay, But then before you
know it, they're don't talk me into getting on this ride.
And I as soon as we're like at the gate
and we're about to go on, you know, the butterflies
getting your stomach. You're nervous, you're scared, you know, but
then they pull you on, You're like, oh my god.
So you get on and you're scared at first, and
then you're going through it and then you're like First
you're like whoa, Then you're like yeah, Then you're like,
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let's go for it.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Before you know it.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Once you get off, you want to do it again.
It's scary, it's a wonderful thing when you're doing it,
and then it's exhilarating when you get off, and then
you want to go again.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
That's how it is with Holy Spirit.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
As you go through the ups and downs and the
highs and lows and the duvovers that the skips and
the dips right then it's it's you could be scared
at first because you know you're stepping out into the unknown.
You're stepping out into the unknown. You're only stepping.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Out with God, right, so you have to have faith that.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
When he's taking you somewhere, the Jesus faith you have
to you have to hold on.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
To that, have to cling on to. First you could
be like, no, no, no, I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Do that God, But then boom these he says, come on,
let's go. You jump on and boom, before you know
you're in. You're going through it, and then after itself
he's like, look at what God did.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Wow. You get exhilarated, and then you're ready for the
next journey.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
That's how it's been. That's how it's been with with
with with God and man? Can anybody attest to that? Hallelujahself?
I for one, I for one, right when I got
the corner a pastor, or when or when we got saved,
I didn't know what to expect, and I did know
what to expect, but it was.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Sort of like, oh my God, how am I going
to do this?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
So I didn't know that I would what I would
be experiencing as a pastor, let alone a Christian man
of God, because I'm still trying to walk this love
walk out. I'm still trying to work on me. So
how many of you know that? You know, a lot
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of times you can you could look back at your
life and you can say, Okay, you know what, I
should have had kids later on, or maybe I should
have got married later on, or or maybe I should
not have went to the school, I should have went
to another school or whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You know, you you're sort of like.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You it's it's it's it's it's you you expect when
you go through something. But then when you're going through
sometimes you say, you know what, maybe maybe this wasn't
the right time, you know, because maybe I wasn't ready
for this, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So when you're when you're that.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
So that's how I felt once once we got ordained
as past this that's when I started getting butterflies. I'm like,
oh God, maybe I should have waited a little longer,
you know, because there's a there's a whole, there's a whole,
there's a whole learning phase that you go through. There's
a whole process phase that you go to to get
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to where you gotta go. But then you gotta go
through it too, so that's also a learning process. So
I remember when I first got called to be a
past when we was discussing this last week. I got
the call on my life before I even entered the church,
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before I went up to the pulpit.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I got the call.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
That I was going to be a pastor before I
said the South Asian prayer. I've said this before on
past episodes or are in talking, but I can distinctly,
succinctly remember, succinctly remembering God telling me that I was
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going to be a pastor before I stepped up to the.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Pulpit to get saved.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Okay, so let me let me provide the context first.
Let me let me insert the context, because one I
want to I want to make sure that I'm a
line with Holy Spirit. I'm going to make sure that
what I'm saying is lible, Holy Spirit and Holy and God.
Make sure that there's no distractions and no obstructions that
can get in my way as I as I profess
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and talk to these beautiful individuals that you call your children,
Hallelujah and Jesus, they may men. So I want to
make sure that I'm aligned to the Holy Spirit, and
I want to also give correct insight and elaboration on
what I'm about to say. You know what I'm saying, Jerry,
because it's very, very important to be as accurate as
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possible because as a leader, and Jerry, I know you
know this because you're a leader, right, You got a family,
right you, Minister, you know, I've come to realize that
I have a large responsibility to the individuals that are
listening to me, to us, me and my wife on
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this platform and in other venues in other areas. Okay,
so when I'm alone, let me give an example. When
I'm alone, Well, when I'm with my wife and we're
and we're talking about the Gospel, and we're talking about
applying the Word of God, to our everyday lives and
everything that we go through. You know, we're talking when
we're life and when life is life. And when when
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I'm talking to her right and I turn to not
look at her like I might be doing something, I'm
talking to her at the same time. But then when
I look at her right, she's staring at me with
such an intensity, and she's looking at me so intently
on site to every word that I'm saying, like she's
actually studying, taking in and absorbing everything that I'm mentioning
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to her. Like I can actually see her eyes looking
right at my lips as I'm speaking. She's wide eyes,
She's like taking everything in. So I have to make
sure that I'm on point with God and Holy Spirit
because she's counting on me guidance, and if I'm not
on point, trust me, she's going to let me know.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
She's going to remind me.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So I can joyously say without a shade of a doubt,
when I stay open with what Holy Spirit is telling
me to say, I haven't been off quilty yet. I
haven't been off quilty yet. Why because I let God lead. Now,
when I don't let God lead, I'm a mess. I
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say that right now I'm a mess. But I can
tell you every time when I listen to God, and
God then gives me a word to tell my wife
in conversation while life is life and it's prophetic and
what I'm saying is really what He's saying, and then
it comes to life.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
So but my point is is that there are souls
that's listening right now to this radio network who are
guided what I'm saying right now as I speak, who
are on the verge, who are on the fence, who
are teetering right now, who need a word, who need
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want and desire guidance.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Amen. And they're listening to.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
My voice because they want to hear Holy Spirit speak
through me to their situation. So, Father, I pray that
the listener is listening with spiritual ears at this moment
and receives what I'm going to talk about. So it's
my responsibility to make sure I'm right with God, Jesus
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and Holy Spirit for their sake, for your sake, the
listener's sake, and the sake of the Gospel being spread
in a responsible manner and a responsible shape and form
in which I present it to you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
So for context, let me go back before I continue on. So,
a couple of episodes ago, right, I said that I
was talking about salvation, and according to Romans ten nine,
that you must confess with your mouth that Jesus is
Lord and Savior in order to receive salvation.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Amen. I mean that's what.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Most of the Christian nation believes, a rather large portion
of it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I found out that about a month ago, right, that
that's not totally one hundred accurate. Okay, So I confessed
this on the radio live that I had to come
back and apologize because I found out there was more.
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I found out that they're about a month ago that
there's a large faction of Christian believers that believe that
you don't have to confess Immanuel as Lord in order
to be saved.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
All you have to do is believe. But Scripture tells
us different.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Scripture tells us Romans are ten verse nine, if you
declare what your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in
your heart that God raised in front of the dead, that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You will be saved.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Verse ten says for it is with your heart that
you believe and are justify, and it is with your
mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Right, So it.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Came to my attention that again that it's unnecessary to
have to say the salvation prayer.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
In order to be saved.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Now, you can say it if you choose, But if
you know in your heart that Jesus's Lord and Savior,
you don't have to be in a church setting to
be saved, or you don't even have to have a
witness to declare to declare it if you choose. But
if you want to say the salvation prayer, you could
say it, but you don't have to say it. It's
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not a prerequisite to salvation, okay. And so what Romans
ten to nine is saying is that if you believe
it in your.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Heart right.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You help, you already have salvation, and the process of
you having salvation, that you're supposed to go out like
it says that Matthew says, you're supposed to go out
and make disciples. Whatever the case, you're supposed to live
this word. You're supposed to live out the word. You're
supposed to be speaking about the Gospel wherever you go,
either through either through deed or in talking and speaking,
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and people will know that there's something different about you,
they'll know that you're a man or woman of God.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
They'll know that.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
You're a child to God just by your walk, just
by the things that you do, just by the things
that you don't get involved in the speak about that
you don't curse, that you don't carry on, they'll see
a goodness in you. And man, so it doesn't have
to be that you're always spent in scriptures out your mouth,
but it could just be that you know you're walk
is uh is a valid walk that shows righteousness. There
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was a gentleman that I knew that when I was
in school, right when I was looking at all the
pretty pretty ladies that was passing by, he never looked. Okay,
when I was saying, look at that five piece of tail,
he never looked. He didn't even get involved in it.
And so first I thought it was funny. You know,
first I thought, you know, uh, he was funny. But
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and and and and and he was so focused and
and you know, he never looked. He joked around me,
but he never looked at the woman I picked that up.
He never talked about him right, and and in class
he was just smooth, you know, just cool, just just
cool breeze, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And turned out later I found out that he was saved.
He was saved.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I wasn't saved at the time. But the interesting thing
about it is that I was so impressed with him
not giving into the temptation that I was given into.
I wished I was like him. That that name is
his name is brother Everett. He's been on the show before,
a powerful, powerful brother. He's been my friend for a
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very long time, very long time, and so I wanted
what he had, you know. But at the time I
didn't know that he had Christ. Until later on after
I've gotten said, I got saved, and I realized you
got Christ.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You see, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
He led by example, He led by example. He showed
that he was a man of God, even though I
didn't know what a man.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Of God was at the time. So anyway, so that's
what that means. That's what that means.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
When you lead with God, when you when you when
when you do the things of God right you When
somebody asked, yo, what is it that you have? How
are you the way that you are, You're going to
say Jesus, I got Jesus I got Jesus. And then see,
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so what you're doing now, you're spreading the gospel when
you talk about Jesus.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
In fact, that's how I got saved. Okay, And we're
going to get into that. But so so, so so
so salvation is in the heart. And what's this said,
what's the old cliche? God reads the heart anyways? Correct,
he reads your heart. So so let's let's let's solidify
this now. So if believe in Jesus is what you have,
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then it's salvation you have.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
That the church saying that.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
So if if you want to go back for more
detail and scriptures and the points that we made the
bullet points, uh, you can go back to the last
two episodes, because we really got.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
It in okay.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
And so I can attest to this being true because
one specific reason in which I discussed this in the
prior episodes and and prior is that I got saved
before I said the salvation prayer. Okay, So first let's
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break it down. First, when you do get saved, whether
you said the salvation prayer or not, but when you
do get saved, holy Spirit now takes up residence in
your heart, takes up residence in your body. Okay, Holy
Spirit has entered the building and Holy Spirit is not
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going anywhere. Let's go to Ephesians one thirteen to fourteen.
Let's go to the King James version, in whom you
also trusted. Now, let me just let you know we're
not gonna be able to finish this all in this episode.
So this is going to be a series because I
want you guys to really understand. I want you guys
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to all take the sin on because here it is.
Here it is. I was a pastor. I'm a pastor, right,
I've been a pastor for three years, and I.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Came on.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Talking about how you have to say the Salvation prayer
as a pastor. I was saying this right, but then
I had to be spiritually corrected by my spiritual father. Okay,
pastor pay flow dollar, right, I got corrected and then
I had to come and apologize.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Right.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
So that means so even pastors don't always get it right. Okay,
even pastors don't always get it right. So this is
another This is part of the journey of being a pastor.
This is a part of the journey of being a leader,
being able to humble yourself out to be corrected and
then be able to come before millions of people and
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apologize for being inaccurate. A man if he's just one
thirteen or fourteen says, and whom ye also trusted. This
is the King James version, and whom he also trusted.
After that ye heard the Word of truth, the Gospel
of your salvation, and whom also after that ye believed
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ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which
is the earnest of our inheritance, until the redemption of
the purchase, possession, until the praise of His glory. Well
say that it says that the Gospel of your salvation,
and whom also after that ye believed ye were sealed
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with that Holy Spirit of promise. What is it saying.
It's saying once you believed Holy Spirit came in you,
once you believed it. Didn't say once you confess. It
says after that ye believed you were sealed with the
Holy Spirit. Let's go to the New Living Translation, same scripture.
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If heats one, thirteen and fourteen. I want you to
take these scriptures, pray on them. And now you gentiles,
what is gentiles, gentiles, is people that were unsaved? Okay,
but they come, I was a gentile one time, okay,
when I didn't know what my brother while my brother
wasn't looking at the woman, when I was looking at
the woman just because I was a gentile and he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
And now you gentiles, this is Paul talking. And now
you gentiles, have also heard the truth, the good news
that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ,
he identified you as his own by what by giving
you the Holy Spirit whom he promised long ago. The
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Spirit is God's guarantee that he will give us the
inheritance he promised, and that He has purchased us to
be his own people. He did this so we would
praise and glorify him. Look at the new King. James
version says, in him, you also trusted after you heard
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the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, and
whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy
Spirit of promise, who is to guarantee of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchase possession, to the praise
of His.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Glory, you were sealed. And if the Lord gave me a.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Vision of a medication like Titlan, all right, when you
go into Walmart or Dwayne Reed or CBS, right, or
a drug store. Right when you go for the Titan,
all right, when you pick it up, what does it have?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It has a.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Child proof top that can't come on when a child
takes it off, and also has a plastic around the
top a seal it's sealed in. Right, So if that
plastic is if that plastic sealed is broken, you don't
pick up that one. That means a non. It's it's
it's it's tainted. It could be tainted.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Not only does it have a seal on it, right,
but you can't even get to the title all because
it's encased in a plastic on the shelf. It's in
case in a plastic lock. And in order to get
to the title and all, you have to call the
customer service rep to come and take off the unlock
the title and offer you to even see the seal.
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That's how much you're sealed with the Holy Spirit and
UH and and A in a in a broader term,
that's how you're in a much lesser term, but the
same concept. You have a seal, you are sealed. The
Holy Spirit is sealed inside you. Amen, the new Century
version an NCV version you probably never heard of that.
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It says, so it is with you. When you heard
that your teaching the good news about your salvation, you
believed in Christ, and in Christ, God put his special
mark of ownership on you by giving you the Holy
Spirit that He had promised. That Holy Spirit is the guarantee.
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The guarantee is a promise. The guarantee is an o
rated declared promise. It's a covenant, okay, that we will
receive what God promised for his people until God gives
full freedom to those who are His to.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Bring praise to God's glory.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
The American Standard version the ASV says, and whom ye
also having heard the Word of truth, the Gospel of
your salvation, and whom having also believed, you were sealed
with the Holy Spirit of promise, hallelujah. The Darby Bible says,
in whom ye also have trusted, having heard the Word
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of the Truth, the glad tidings of your salvation, and
whom also having believed, ye have been sealed with the
Holy Spirit of promise. And the God's Word translation says,
you heard and believed the message of truth, the good
news that He has saved you in him. You were
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sealed with the Holy Spirit, whom he promised. Now listen
very closely to what I'm going to say. If you
didn't know, one Holy Spirit has taken up residence in
your heart. Whatever demonic entity or entities, whatever force or
power or principality that was in you, has spiritually has
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been spiritually forced out of you, out of your heart, done, diminished, evacuated, gone.
This means every sicken, disease, every mouth nourished, malcontent, malevolent, mischievous,
mistaken spirit that has ever been in you has now
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now got to leave the building, leave your house, which
is the home of your heart. Because Holy Spirit trumps
every other idol, every god, little g ever known to man.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
They got to.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Go Psalms ninety six for six SSS for Greatest the
Lord and Holy to be praised, to be feared above
all gods. For the gods and the nations are nothing
but idols. But the Lord made the heavens, the splendor
and power go before him. Power and grand door are
in the Holy Place, are in His Holy Place. So
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once you've accepted Jesus Lord ADENI as the Messiah, the
one the chosen, the Savior. The Holy Spirit automatically comes
in into inside you to be with you forever. If
you believe he Holy Spirit comes into you quick fast.
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If you believe that Jesus sacrificed his life on the cross.
And if you don't want to call him Jesus, you
can call him, yes you, you can call him, Yesah,
you can call them whoever you want to call him.
You can call him and and I you call him
whatever you want. If you believe he hold the Spirit
comes into you quick fast.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
He's here to stay.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
And I don't care what people say about well, you
can lose the Holy ghosts and he has to come
back inside you. You have to be filled up with
the Holy Ghost. No, that's not true, because scripture tells
you specifically, what's the vibe? He's not going anywhere. What's
to say? Go to Hebrews thirteen five or six, the
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ESV version. It says, keep your life free from money,
from the love of money, and be content with what
you have have.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Right.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
It says, for he has said what, I will never
leave you nor forsake you. So we confidently say, the
Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can
man do to me. Dudonomy thirty one says six to eight.
The ESV Versus says, be strong and courageous. Do not
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fear or be in dread of them. For it is
the Lord your God who goes with you. He will
not leave you nor forsake you. Then Moses summoned Joshua
and said to him, in the sight of all Israel,
be stronger courageous, for you shall go with this people
into the land that the Lord has worn to their
fathers to give them, and you shall put them in
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possession of it. It is the Lord who goes before you.
He will be with you. He will not leave you
or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed. Hallelujah.
What are you fearing today? Are you fearing the call
on your life? Go towards it. Listen out for the
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call on your life. I got to stop right here
because my time is up. Next week we're going to
continue with this, okay, because there's a leader in you
that has to come out. There's a leader, and you
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might be leading. Maybe you need helping your leadership. Turn
towards the Lord. He is with you. He will never
leave you nor forsake you. This is important that I
come back because there's so much I want to say.
I still want to talk to you about how the
Lord spoke to me before before I said the Salvation prayer. Oh,
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there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Next week.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
I'll be back with my wife next week and we'll
discuss this further because it gets deep. But I want
you to be encouraged. I want you to be exhilarated.
I want you to be motivated and inspire because there's
so much more to talk about, beloved, And guess what,
if you don't know that there's a leader in you,
you could come to Christ right now if you so
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choose to say the Salvation prayer. What you can say,
you can get salvation still. And if you don't want
to say the prayer, that's fine, but if you, oh,
I also want to talk to you guys about saying
the Salvation prayer because there's something behind that too. And
we're gonna after I've finished talking about this, somebody remind me, Jerry,
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remind me that we got to talk about what happens?
What does the Salvation prayer? What does it do for you?
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Amen?
Speaker 5 (42:43):
All right, come on, who wants to say the Salvation
prayer would be you could say it right now, Heavenly Father.
I recognize then I'm a sinner, and I don't want
to sin anymore. I want Christ, who sacrificed his life
on the course for me, for my sins, for my iniquities,
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for my infirmities, for my injuries, for my doubt, for
my guilt, for my condemnation, to enter into me, to
shape me and holp me into what you God want
me to be. I repent of my sins, which means
I make one hundred and eighty degree change to do
God what you want me to do. In Christ, Jesus
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Mighty name. Amen, if you said your prayer, you are
now saved. And as my wife is saying A thousand names,
just godfive a thousand names, just magnify. We welcome, We
welcome you today. Hallelujah. You did it. You did it,
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I'm getting good at this because my wife normally says this,
all right, reach out to us, all right, and.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Uh, we'll take a walk.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
We'll take a walk on the light side because you
turned from the doctor coming to the light.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Hollelujah.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Congratulations, and that's our episode. Next week we'll get back
into it. Okay, go away to God. Thanks for hanging
out with us. Thank you, Jered. We love you and
only God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit love you more.
And the greatness of my wife child for now.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
That's right, sisters, the.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Blood unto your life, even if you do something boring,
running from the herd, repent and running to the word God.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Becky got your side.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You didn't know that, you didn't had to run the
high that he will pull you to even win your backside.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So let's ride with the angels. That's no need to cry.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
We'll tell you why you are the apple upper side
and you'll never leave it. This pipper never Diesnerize cries on.
You can never turn the spat since spies all eyes
on the one that makes your host ries.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
The devil's to my right before our revery dives.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Satan times, you can't reach your for that prize past
the skies into God's your prize. We're craiser. Forgive me
because I got that voice with the naso twang. I
do my thing the way that God grant said, oh
with mind sent it.
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But it's not a what's good years Your man scolded
the Narrow from the multi platinum group Drew Hill. And
I'm proud to say that I'm from Baltimore, Maryland, and
you're now listening to my man Jerry Royce Live podcast,
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In the whole wide world.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Peace of Love,
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