Liberty and Justice for Some

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hudson River Radio dot Com.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello out there in Podcasts, Land and beyond. I'm Maxie
Margaret Rubin along with my co host Malcolm Berman. And
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planet we call Earth. So Hi, Malcolm out in LA.
I know you're going to be getting some pretty hot

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weather soon.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's supposed to get to be like about one hundred
and ten in parts of the valley. It's not my
part of the valley, thank God.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, hey, Neil, what's the weather like? Neil and I
are in the northeast here and we've been getting like
a kind of parts of that Hurricane Uran and it's
been chilly and rainy and in the fifties and sixties.
Last night after being ninety one degrees on Sundays it's

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nothing makes sense and plenty of it, which is a
Mitch Margo quote. And we're going to be playing a
tune that Mitch wrote in the year two thousand and
I'll explain a little more after it. It's called Liberty
and Justice for some spend a little, spend, stay the

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truth to win. Suddenly that's become liberty and justice for sun.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I folget election day.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
They see one protection day.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We don't have to fall at all. The supreme part
will answer of call of those wise on buns in
that tree has changed the course of Pittsbury. Though there's
a song for every bird, some of that will not

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be heard.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
The liberty bount has closed its ring.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
My voice don't mean a thing and only takes a
fly fall a swaying.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Liberty and Justice for some.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Live and justice was some Hey, that was uh, my
brother Mitch who wrote this song in the year two
thousand and Uh. I'm just gonna you know. The the

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lyrics are pretty much that you clearly heard. The last
of the lyric is, how can I trust the man
if you didn't hear? Who doesn't seem to understand that
there is something inherently dumb about liberty and justice for some.
And again he wrote that song in two thousand after

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the Supreme Court decision to stop the Florida vote recount
in the Bush v. Corp Gorky, which ended up giving
the election to Bush. I'm gonna give a little history
of this because it fits in with what we're talking
about today, which will be the Shadow Docket. It sounds
like a crazy movie. Yes, it sounds like a yeah,

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the Shadow Docket. So anyway, in a seven to two
majority of Florida Court founded Florida's manual recount procedures violated
the equal Protection clause of the Fourth Amendment because there
was no consistent standard for evaluating ballots across different counties.

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It was a five to four decision, which is why
Mitch wrote, you know, the liberty ballots lost its ring.
My voice don't mean the thing. It only takes a
five to fourth swing for liberty and justice for some.
And the case, you know, it had to do with
the twenty five electoral votes and there was a deadline

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that they couldn't reach because it had to be done
before December twelfth, and uh, they didn't feel that they
can do that, and so they did rule though and
it was very controversial.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And you know now there's still debates continuing the Court's
role in political processes, and right now they are deeply
enthralled in political processes.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's it's just like what do you do? What do
you say?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
So it's amazing how how many times in history this
thing like that, You know, that election changes the whole world,
Like the rfk assassination, It changes a whole you know,
what would have happened if Bobby Kennedy became president something?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, and it was looking at the world different. Well, yeah,
look at it if Gore became president. Look at it
if Clinton, you know, you know Hillary became president. I mean, oh,
Kamala for that matter. It's just things that happen. And
in this case, the Supreme Court had a hand in it,

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you know. And it's the US Congress and the Supreme
Court of the US are kind of on a collision course,
and together they have enabled executive branch overreach. It's just like,
whatever you want, whatever you want, and the future of
our branches of government are kind of traveling on off

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fork road. I don't know where this is all going
to land, because it's affecting democracy. For generations to come.
The Supreme Court is especially aiding executive overreach as it's
making decisions with virtually no case law backing those orders.
In an article about Scotis shadow docket, which it's called

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this is via the Brennan Center dated July twenty twenty two.
It's an article by Harry Block and Alicia Bannon. They
explain that the conservative justices are increasingly using a secretive
process to issue consequential decisions. Controversial uses of the Supreme
Court shadow dockets makes it all clear that justices are

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willing to use this previously obscure procedural mechanism in ways
that their predecessors did not. For better or worse, the
shadow docket is now significant part of Supreme Court Court jurisprudence.
The Brendan Center also they're fantastic organization that works on
all of this and hopefully you can donate to them

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the Brendancenter dot org. They note that the shadow docket
cases typically do not receive extensive briefing or hearing. The
decisions are accompanied by little to no explanation and often
lack clarity on which justices are in the majority of minority.
They are sometimes released in the middle of the night,

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creating a sense of palace intrigue. Palace. They use the
word palace like this is a kingdom and a fight
thumb and whatever. Uh and it's just insane. So this
is why Scotus has now gone rogue in a sense.
And it is not the check on the executive branch
or other branches as it was intended by the framers
of the Constitution. Yes, the Constitution, remember that thing. Uh So,

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Malcolm and I are going to delve into the shadow
docket a bit, which seems to be on a destructive
path towards the environment. They're dismantling a lot of rules
and also democracy, I think, because it's they're walking in
lockstep with the executive branch and this is a dangerous thing.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, actually, what's happening now is that there's no three
divisions in our government. There's the executive, the executive and
the executive.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right. It just well that usually means dictatorship, dictatorship, dictatorship.
I mean, what what do you think, you know, people
go authoritarian. It's gonna be, It's like not gonna be.
It is right now. Constitutional crisis is gonna be. It
is right now. Uh, this is We're not in the

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it will be phase. It is now. Yes, it's here phase.
And uh it's quite honestly, as I've been saying the
last six seven months, frightening and scary and it makes
you wanna, you know, as I keep always saying, hide
somewhere in a closet, in a desk, somewhere anywhere, because

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I don't know why. You know, this is is happening
in plain sight and there's nothing I mean this the
fight is coming out, but not I think it's a
little late. But you know, Newsome, your governor, Malcolm is
is you know, he's mocking with these these tweets or

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these things that he's doing on social media, and he's
literally mocking a mirroring, i should say, the tweets coming out,
you know, from from Trump.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Social media, and he's making them all caps.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right, he's making them all right exactly, and you know,
and and they're saying he's acting so juvenile. You know,
he's acting juvenile, I mean, and then it's like they
just passed in Texas after like kidnapping one of their representatives.
Uh that's to me, he's on real on every level. Uh,

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that they got the Jerry Manager Texas, and they're getting
five Republicans in for that to make it enough to
have the midterms be completely like useless.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's the Republicans now in California saying, no, you can't
do that. You can't do the Newsom can't do that.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
To make right, you can't do that. They just did it.
But but Newsom can't do it.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
So that's right. But I didn't say anything about Texas.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I keep getting you know, Newsome. You know, I don't
know where he's going to land in all this, but
right now he's the only thing that's really giving me
some sort of like hope. I don't even know hope,
but at least fight, you know, we need fight, and
we're not. You know, it's something that's so important now.

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We're up against, you know, a Congress that just he
can do anything he wants and they just rubber stamp everything.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Well, if he forecasted this, I forget the end of
the first election where he said, yeah, I could kill
someone on forty second Street.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
No no, no, he said I can shoot someone on
Fifth Avenue and get fifth Avenue. Oh yeah, he he
ain't going to be forty second Street with him. He
never went there, I'm sure you know, unless he went
to uh the old forty second Street and went to
some peep shows and picked up some you know what.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
But that's where I saw him.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh you found him in a peep show.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Well, I have to adm. I have to admit in
my teen years, did you did you do that? I've
gone there because sometimes I did you ever do that?

Speaker 1 (12:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Thank god, I have to get off the train on
forty seconds.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh you just such a dirty old man.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I think I had to it was a must.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh God, did you get a lap dance? What did?
What did you do?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
No? No, I used to go to these uh look
in the peep things the bookstory. No, they didn't have
a pie interesting thing. They had this like big room.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Somewhat for my Supreme Court script.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah. And surrounding the big room they had like little
little rooms which with windows.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well that's peep, that's the pep. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
And then you would go into the window and I
think you paid a quarter, right, I don't know, bad
time at the dime and the window would come open.
Oh and you're looking inside the big room and they
were like, you know, with seven or eight nude.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Women, women women actual women, um women, not not but
not teen women, maturer women, older women.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, okay, and they're not pretty women. Well who's gonna
do women? So gross, that's what we need. That was
that I was seventeen eighteen years old.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well yeah, because you know, raging hormones will do things right, right,
I don't know, I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
And the real thing wasn't available because no.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know now now you don't have to Now it's
all uh, you know, they have movies and restaurants and
Broadway you know show. I mean, it's it's completely I
remember it. It was really seedy. I gotta admit. It
was like my parents would forbid me. It's like the
highest I can ever go. When I was a kid
and we used to go on the trains when we

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were like eleven, twelve, thirteen, right, we'd go in the city.
I mean, you know, we would go into the village.
The Crazy Redhead and I would go in the village.
I'd bring my good tar during during the Vietnam War
and play stuff during by the monument in Washington.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Square Park Square Park, I had the.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Uh had the bottles of the Triumph off the treoph Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Same smaller version but than one in Paris. But yeah,
everybody was here playing guitar, you know, playing their guitarist music.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, so, anyway, far aside from that diversion of Malcolm
and his peep show.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Days, well I guess it's over. I'm an old married man.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Don't don't don't don't say it. Don't say it, because
now you don't even have to do that. You could
just go to porn hub anyway, you know. I mean
that's the fact that why do I know that? Well,
I also have a boy child, you know, which is
you know, a big boy now, but you know, for

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his friends used to come over and I hadn't you know,
you had a parental controls on there, and it didn't work.
They knew how to get it off. You know, I
don't know what Less does on his iPads or leave
me alone. I'm not even gonna ask. Now, he's he's
he's usually watched looking at political stuff and cursing at it.
So back to political stuff. We were trying to get

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into this, this this shadow docket, and and why you
know it's it's causing issues now and uh it's a
you know, they they're saying that they use these for emergencies,
but most of the time it's non emergencies that non
emergencies that this current regime is going after. And they

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don't even have uh, you know, argument or argument or
providing any any detailed information, and it kind of questions
the court's legitimacy. So, uh, they render decisions affecting more
and more Americans and there's no backup to it, and

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I just don't know either. They continue to get away
with it. And so they they've been issuing shadow dockets
on cases involving gerrymandering, pandemic rules, environmental regulation, and that's
like one of the biggest things they go after is
the environment now and of course abortion, and they use

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you know, the shadow docket for as I said, emergency motions.
But a lot of times it's not even because one
particular person is trying to reverse lower court orders and
suspend things, and you know, this is what's happening. They're
enabling this to happen by putting these shadow dockets together.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yes, sometimes I think they should do away with the
lower courts and just go to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know, because the low courts, like today, for instance,
this isn't the Supreme Court but the court in New York,
a High Court in New York got rid of the
that the five hundred million dollar fraud case against you
know who, and they dropped the money amount, saying it
was too excessive. It's still fraud, but he's not paying anything,

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and he's appealing it because they gave him an ABD
to appeal by leaving the fraud charge in. And now
he's saying, you know, this was all fake. They're trying
to get me blah blah, blah blah. And this kind
of gives into that, like how do they even do this?
You know, Yeah, he's the victim's he's And so now

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they're basically saying that the shadow docket has become really
controversial because it's been retooled as a right wing implement
for pushing through politically motivated rulings with minimal public scrutiny.
And again, it's chock full of e p A cases
h largely challenging EPA powers to regulate hazardous air pollutants,

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power plant ambitions, and other threats to the prospects of
halting catastrophic climate change.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
And I mean, I don't see why we need all
these rules and regulations.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Do we really we needed it. We don't. We don't
need anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
We just to die eventually anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well that's what who said that, Johnny Ernst I think
it was. Who was the I think she's the one
who I think she said it, And she basically said,
we are all going to die anyway. This is the
politician I elected to represent me. You know, I'm like
I should tell her, I said, can you sign this
bill that gives people a right to green burials? If

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we're all going to die, might as well be green,
you know, Uh, maybe for you it's soilent green. That's
what I think. But uh, it's it's just that you
don't know where It just seems like money is the absolute,
you know, top end of what they want. It's just

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there's nothing else that seems to be ruling anything in
this administration.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's there's so many things that are not right about
this administration. There's so many executive orders that he puts through.
He doesn't want us to vote, you know, and it's
sort of a I mean, well, the good thing about
is I'm in now a twenty four hour, seven day
a week, news person, are you? I mean, I can

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wake up at the two three o'clock in the morning,
my time turn on the news. I want to see
what happens, what new document came out.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I I'm the opposite. I see my newsfeed, but I
do not watch any news. Neil, you watch news. Neil's
not watching news. Kind we know about it, though I
know he knows about a lot about the you know,
he sees it enough.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean, I wish I could. You know, it wouldn't
happen either, I could.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Why Why are you such a news junkie?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, I feel like if I'm not doing that, I'm
like an Ostrich if I put my head in the
hole and it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, but I know if I don't watch it. If
I don't watch it now, I want to watch it
the next morning, something's going to happen, right I No.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I I try to not look at anything before I
go to sleep, if possible. But anyway, ooh, we hit
the brake here while we were sleeping.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, the news junkie here is gonna tell us more
about the news. You're gonna have to tell us what
you find out at three in the morning. I want
to know what you're looking at at three in the morning. Uh, Malcolm,
So anyway, we'll be back. We'll talk a little more
about the Supreme Court shadow docket and the environmental cases
that they're kind of you know, taking the rules away,

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plus us some of the judges or nominations, and or
just something completely different like peep shows again, So please
stay tuned. We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
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Speaker 1 (21:17):
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Speaker 4 (21:24):
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Speaker 2 (21:53):
And we are back with Malcolm and Nielsen Studio. And
when I asked him something, he's nodding, So that's how
I get to put his name. We're talking about the
Supreme Court of the US go tists uh and their
their shadow docket and and what's happening now in our

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crazy dismantling of the democratic way in America. How we're
going to muddle through the insanity?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I don't know. Uh. So we need to be proactive.
We need to protect this fragile republic we're living in.
And so there's a lot of work to do and
a lot of fight and we'll see where we land.
But in all of that, please listen to our podcast,
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Facebook and on Blue Sky and uh so, Malcolm, so
so we were talking about, yeah, the Supreme Court and
what they were doing, and.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
He's completely manipulated a system.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I know, I mean, you know this is everyone
says it's overnight, but it really has not been overnight.
It's been happening for thirty plus years.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Easy.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And then they all put it into this little nifty
Project twenty twenty five book which they're literally going through
page by page and implementing every day, including you know
how they they garnered the Supreme Court, which is supposed
to be, you know, the law of the land and
the most trusted of the branches. People are not trusting it.

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They're they're their polling is pretty low, you know, the
executive branch polling is pretty low, and you know, people
are are getting really fit up. The polls are showing it,
but it doesn't matter because you know, he's Jerrymanderin. He's
just jerrymander Texas and h and he's going to go

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after other states, other states too. I think Missouri and Indiana.
It's it's going no, he's gonna try to get all
the red states to Jerry Mander there, uh.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
To get more, to get more and.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
More represented from them, and then the Blue states have
to counter. But you guys have to vote. I mean,
the legislature in California is going to say yeah, because
it's it's all democratic, they're gonna the Republicans try to
stop it, saying you can't do that. They just did
it in Texas, but you can't do it in California.
Only in Texas, and only in Indiana and only in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know, I mean, it's not democratic to do it
in California, right, But in California, yeah, democratic to do
it in Texas.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Right exactly. And and so they you know, I think
the legislation is going to pass I think tomorrow in
in California.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I think yeah, I think it passed the House or
something whenever.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So, but that that gives it to a vote in
November by the populist citizen into California to say we
can do this. They didn't do that in Texas. They
just took it.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, no, that was the law, you know, they just
took California is a law that they have to So.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So I don't know what they're gonna do in Illinois.
I don't know what they're gonna do in in New York.
I mean, there seemed to be banding together and and honestly,
you know, if they do, we outnumber even all those
red states, I think in terms of the districts. So
we'll see. And speaking of the district, I think Washington,

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d C. Now being in the hands of the National
Guard and military and police. Uh, it's surreal. And all
I can think of is the Hunger Games, because the
district was, you know, one of the things that they
were trying to capture and and uh and and it's
like a cross between the Handmaid's Tale and and the

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and the hung Games happening before our eyes in Washington
with tanks and things in front of the Washington Monument,
in front of the White House, in front of Capital
Building and all these other places. That's a place for
all Americans to go visit. He's changing the history in
the Smithsonian. It's slavery, it's woke.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, Well, that's a place.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Washington is a place for all everyone's supposed to go.
Americans as long as you it's our nation's capital, as
long as you don't look like Tino, as long as
you don't look Asian, right, it's.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Just otherwise you have to show proof.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And again it's like he's being enabled by all these people.
And I mean within the administration, within the Congress, and
within the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court is just
going along with everything. They they blocked in June, they
used the shadow docket to block the EPA controls on

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smog forming pollution that wafts across state lines. That's why
Neil and I are getting, you know, sick. You breathe
that in you're breathing fires from Canada and you're bringing
you're breathing in the coal from the Midwest coming across
now and you could see it in the air and
you could feel it when you breathe. So it's not
just the fires. It's now a combination of they reduced,

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you know, all the rulings on the coal plants, and
it's coming across state lines.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
And uh, that's what they're doing in California. Here. The
California had its own restrictive rules as far as cars,
the admission right right, especially no, no, you can't. You
can't do that for California. It's unfair to the automobile makers.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh yeah, I'm sure they're really upset about it. I mean,
you know, a couple of my friends their way of
fighting back because they don't protest or stuff like that.
They they got new evs and they had to get
it in under the dead line because I think the
federal incentives are going away, I believe September. Don't quote me, though,

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and they're gonna you know, people who want to get
EV's have to do them now. I have to get
him now.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, but this is getting more ridiculous by the day.
Do you remember a time where a president could say
I want to do away with absentee ballots? And the
reason why is because I was speaking to the president
of Russia and he says, they ain't no good, right.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
He said no, he said, there's no mail in ballads
in other countries. Meanwhile, there's mail in ballads in ridiculous
amounts of countries. It's like, are you what are you saying?
I don't believe he can do it. I can't even
say anymore that he can't do something.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I could say he doesn't think it's fair. But when
he says the reason he's doing it because Putin told
him that, and nobody is jumping.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Him down because the mainstream media is over.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anybody, you know. Yeah,
express shock, Yeah he did that. I said no, no, no.
When I read first read that, yes, said be fake news. Nope,
it's not fake news. He's not even not even carrying
Russia said that's the way to do it.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well, because that's what they do. But it's like they,
I know, if people want to Russia and see how
people live there, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I mean, they love him in Russia. He went by
the vote.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, but that's not real. That's not real.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
It's who said it's not real.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's not real. How haws you get ninety percent of
the vote.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
It's like fake news.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, everything's fake news. So what do you believe then?
I mean, you know, now again, the Supreme Court, you
know with him, the Congress is siding with him, The
Speaker of the House is his boy. Epstein files, Epstein files,
Epstein files.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
You know what gets me confused is the I'm not
sure about the uh. The Supreme Court has said that
where the I don't know if it's a Supreme court.
The local court says they shouldn't open the Epstein files
even though the administration wants them to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Right, well, because that has to do with grand jury identities.
It's it's more involved, so they can't.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think that's a very limited one. They said, that's
and there seems to be several grand juries going out
on Epstein. Well, like this one was a very limited.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Again, I'm always looking for someone who will, like somehow
get these files and put them out, as I said,
like we once discussed, like Daniel Elsbury Pentagon papers, like
where are you know, where's the non miss You know,
there used to be a group called Anonymously. We're gonna

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get we know how to hack everything. Where are they?
You know, we need deep throat? Did they play that
when you were at the Peach Show?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Uh, oh god, I don't know how we got into Peach.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
I mean, the whole government is getting so ridiculous. I
can see why they, uh you know, the Supreme Court
or part of the Supreme Court is not impeached Roy
because they lied in front of Congress all the ones
that that they had, Uh you know, we're gonna uphold everything, right.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Rob waits fine, all everything? Oh next this marriage that's
going that's going next.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Uh do you think they should get marriage? Two guys
and two women.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
No, that's that's that's on the block. This the woman
who started this all when she wouldn't make something. I
forgot her name, I don't even whatever, But I don't
know which state A is.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's not natural.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But they're bringing that. That's going to come to the
Supreme Court next year and they're going to get rid
of it. Roby Wade got you know, they said we're
not going to touch it. They have them on Gorsic, Gorsic, Kavanaugh.
They said they wudn't touch it, right, They promised Collins
and Murkowski they wouldn't touch it. They're in front of

(32:25):
cameras being taped in a room full of senators. It's
on tape on video that they said they wouldn't touch it.
It's a precedent, and they touched it. It's like, I mean,
I've never seen the degree of lying. I mean, I mean,

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I don't know where to even take things anymore.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
That's the problem. People don't know where to fight because
there's so much to fight against You can't go against
one thing, you have to go against it collectively.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, I mean, or have different groups of people go
in specific places, you know, specific organizations fighting the PA,
specific ones the courts. I mean, you have all these
great groups fighting, you know and working the A c
l U. You know, for instance, they're always trying to,
you know, get folks to donate so they can keep

(33:22):
a fight up to for these Supreme Court cases and
other cases that are taking away our rights. We're going back,
you know, Hey, slavery, doesn't you know slavery wasn't bad.
It was woke. Man, You're woke. If you think slavery
was bad, you know, take it out of the out
of the Smithsonian, you know, and all the museums should
only have things about the bright future. We're gonna have

(33:45):
only the good stuff museums offer history. I don't know,
how does this even happen here? How is this even happening?
It's just it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah. The thing is also, you can't he exaggerates so much.
He throws out numbers that have made up Yeah, how
we in the United States has contributed three hundred and
fifty billion dollars, right, no, and everybody had Well no,
I think it's closer to one hundred and fifty billion,
and the EU has contributed more, right, right according to him? Right?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Well, hey, drug clars is going to go down one
thousand percent, maybe fifteen hundred percent, Like what are you
talking about? Meanwhile, we have a health department, you know
Dingo and Charge.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Who did away with vaccines?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
You know, how do you that's how? How do he
do that?

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Now?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
And the medical profession is fighting Vack saying we are
recommending highly that vaccines, but now will they be available
is the question? Because now they told you know, the mRNA,
which is eventually going to cure cancer. All the research
money five hundred million dollars has been taken away, half
a billion dollars. So where where are all these billionaires

(35:05):
who are for the good? Are there any you know
who was? Who is who's the guy in the movie
is that iron Man? I mean, who's the guy that
that you know takes care of everybody? Where's where's our guy?
Where are guys? What are they doing? Why didn't they

(35:26):
save PBS? They could kill two of them, could blow
out of their left nostril, enough money to save the
the Corporation for Public Public Radio.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Two.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, well the PBS and and National Public Radio. You know,
there's still they're still going, but they're you know, vehicle
for money is the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and that's
where they took the money away. So you know, I
don't know, I don't know where this is. This heading

(35:59):
where all hitting, but.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's well you don't know again what front to attack. Yeah,
well that's what's happening with the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah oh yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Then he makes that speech about oh they asked him
to be the host of the awards, but he didn't
want to do it, but they forced him to do it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, he's been forced.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, they said, sir. And you notice when they speak
to him, everybody.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Have to do this, right they have, you know, they
have they cover themselves by their wangers and they go, sir,
whatever you want, sir.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Well, I actually that was I objected in a way
of the the the EU when they came over to
uh had that meeting last week where everybody was cowtowing
to him. They all cowtown notice, But I think that
was their way of not getting up his Dandershire.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah. Well, I mean I would have pulled any punch
to get him to be screaming at them. I would
have that would have made good television. Also, he likes
to I don't understand TV is the way to go, man.
You know.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
After the first meeting with Putin and he came out, oh, yeah,
we've agreed upon a lot of things. There are only
a few things separating us now he said, no, no,
nothing has been decided. I'm not going to do with fire.
And I think last night he had the worst attack
on Kiev.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yep. Well, because there's a connection there, because.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Because they're not I mean, what happened to I'm going to, uh,
you know, do these sanctions against Russia. If they don't agree,
it's they have another thirty days or they have another.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It's giant.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
It's definite.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's giant. Bs there. This is there's nothing about any
of this that is you know, just to I think
I didn't see south Park last night, but I heard
it was I don't know, did you see it, Neil,
Did you see south Park last night? But I heard
that they have They're visiting the capital. You know, the
south Park kids are apartment and everywhere. They're visiting the capital,

(38:16):
and there's uh, you know that they see tanks and
military in front of the White House and the Washington
Monument and and and the Capitol Building and all that stuff,
and it's like, you know, where are we what is it?
I mean I heard it as a hoot. I didn't
see it yet, but I see it all over social
media and like you gotta watch it.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
It's like that was another thing that social media didn't
say what the bus was the parade they had.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, no, they did say it was a bust.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
They did, yeah, but it was like for a day
or two.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well that's the problem with it. They they report something
in general for a day and then it goes away
back in the day reported and it kept going. There
were articles continually about the subject matter. And again you
know when you I was a kid, I would see
the news, you know, Croncketty or whatever, and I would

(39:12):
see the caskets of you know, soldiers coming back from Vietnam,
and that puts something in your brain that you will
never ever forget. They don't do anything to bring forth
what is going on.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
That's one of the things that ended the war, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah. Well, also there's no draft, but.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
The numbers, you know, Oh yeah, three thousand viet Cong
were killed and two Americans.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Right, well, that's not true, and it's just you know, again,
all these branches of government are supposed to be a
check and they're not.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
You know, well, thank you very much for the show.
I think now you're set my weekend.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Oh yeah, okay, glad to make it happen for you,
all right, I don't I think, uh, I don't know
what else. You Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
peace out. But I'm signing. I'm signing all my emails now,
peace and resist. It's a it's a you know, it's
a little uhction on peace and Resist P and R R. Yeah,

(40:18):
something like that. Anyway, if you guys want out there
to uh get in touch with the Brennan Center, go
to Brennancenter dot org. They uh they're instrumental in in
voting rights and legal rights of uh you know that.
They're they're amazing and they do great work to to
try to put cases in to stop the madness.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
As we really didn't even hit that much. Is what's
happening with the climate change, which is totally in the
back page right now.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, they don't you know, aside from the something about it. Well, yeah,
well the there's organizations you can you know, go to
for that as well.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
And uh, you know, see, I haven't heard anything. I
haven't heard anything.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
People say, open your eyes. Look what's happening with the fires. Yeah,
I mean there's all over the world, not only in
the United.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
States, terrible in Europe too, and Spain's really my friend
who lives in Spain. He does a blog and I
you know, he.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
We gotta speak to Georgia. I find know what's happening
in Portugal.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, I will. We'll have him on soon.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
And and the hurricane. You know, the hurricanes are becoming
more widespread. It's different than this one is a typical.
Well it hit five narrow, it's wide, and it's powerful.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah. Well the beaches in New York are all closed
because the rip tides. Yeah yeah, they're all closed.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Anyway, I remember back in the days when there were hurricanes,
we used to go out on the boardwalk and.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, you're nuts, So what do I know. Anyway, We're
going to peace out, guys again. Go to a c
l U dot org, Brendancenter dot Org and go the
Sierra Club National Wildlife Foundation, you're part of an organization
or if you can donate to them so they could
take action on your.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Behalf and I You and Neil and the Washington Square Park.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Protest songs.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Well, I used to my parents, my parents. My parents
didn't know that though. Yeah, they're looking down going, but
we knew about it. We were just in the village having,
you know, going and buy clothes, you know, anyway with
you do something wrong. They knew that. My brothers they

(42:35):
didn't say anything. They knew what I was up to,
so it was okay. But they did keep an eye
on me though when I was younger anyhow. So people,
get your act together, keep your eyes open and try
to do something positive and also try to look for
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