Plastic Eating Enzymes and the Rising Revolution w/ Charlotte Ghiorse

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hudson River Radio dot Com.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello outvan podcast Land and beyond podcast Land Maxine Margaret
Rubin along with my co host Malcolm Berman, and this
is the Many Shades of Green, our program that adds
a dash of green into your life. As we engage
in conversations that move to inform, educate, activate, and raise
your eco and social consciousness through culture, politics, music, art, science, astrology,

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and community, we hope to inspire you to pick a
shade of green and become a student of this beautiful, blue,
green planet we call Earth, Mother Earth. That is hi Malcolm,
and Hi Charlotte Howdie and Hai Neo back there, So
welcome to the Many Shades of Green. We're in some

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pretty crazy times, got to admit, so we gotta river
ourselves up. So let's let's bring out that little revolution
in all of us.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Say you want a.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Rebel shine, Well, you know we all want to change
the world. You tell me that achievle just shine, Well
you know we all want to change the world. But

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when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you
can count me out?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
All right?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
All right, yeah, well that was that was John and
he he uh.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
There was three versions to that song.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Actually, It was written by John as reflection of his
feelings about the Vietnam War and other civil unrest taking
place around the world.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
The lyrics.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
The lyrics express sympathy for social change, but expressed doubt
about the violence espoused by at that point the New Left.
He wanted to change without the violence. That's when he said,
but when you talk about destruction, don't you know that
you can count me out. We want to have a revolution,
we don't want to have the violence, which is hopefully

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what we're gonna do. And then you know, mister Bruce Springsteen,
I'm gonna bring him in quickly because he's been just
shouting out and he is at a concert in Manchester.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
England, England across the sea.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
That's a show, another show called Hair. Anyway, he chimed
in about his feelings about the state of America, and
he said, among other things, that the Mighty E Street
Band is here tonight to call upon the righteous power
of art, of music, of rock and roll in dangerous times.

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And it's a really good quote. So here we are
on the are we on a cusp of a revolution?
The United States is currently facing intense political polarization, and
there are legitimate concerns about the erosion of democratic norms,
trust and institutions.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And the rule of law.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
However, a full scale revolution in a traditional sense remains
highly unlikely.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
That's usually when they bring in the.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Military because various factors including resilience, protests, and institutions like
the judiciary, the press, which to me is questionable, and
civil society are still in place to maintain checks and balances,
although again that's questionable right now. While mistrust in the
government is high, most Americans still seek change through elections, protests,

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civic engagement rather than violent uprisings. Political scientists and democracy
experts have been identifying warning signs. They suggest democratic backsliding
and potential systematic instability in the United States. These signs
don't mean a revolution is inevitable, but they indicate that

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the foundation of democratic governance are being strained. Political scientists
like Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblat, which they wrote a
book I Believe call How Democracies Die, argue that democracies
don't usually collapse through coups anymore. They decay slowly when
norms are eroded and institution are co opted from within

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the United States is not doomed.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's good to hear.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
But these warning signs show that vigilance and civic action
are essential to preserving a democratic stability. So you know,
there's a lot to talk about. And joining us today
as our resident artist, eco activists and astrologer, Charlotte, you're
c We're gonna date. We're can Also, you know, we
always have a continuation when we talk each month about plastics,

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so we're going to talk about that, textiles, what innovations
are on the forefront, and we're gonna, you know, get.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Some astrology in there. So Charlotte, welcome, welcome, so glad
to have you. How you doing, How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (05:44):
Well?

Speaker 7 (05:45):
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
I'm in the clouds a little bit. I just handed
over six thousand dollars to the city of Ithaca.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
That's nice hand I handed.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I handed I like a lot, like more than double
that on the thirtieth of aph role to the town
to the town of Newcastle.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
And behind in my taxes. So I'm just feeling that.
But I can't seem to keep up with the amount
of overloaded content and egregious weird errors that are happening
in the political business of just watching watching what is

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going on with the president. You know, it is just
crazy making. And like the thing that you were just
talking about with this person being removed from a town
hall because she disagreed, that just seems like, Wow, that
really feels like some kind of weird fascism, doesn't it.
I mean yeah, I like, oh, you can only be

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there if you agree. And I can see where like
in our culture people are kind of like, well, let
me just keep to myself because there is an urgency
and the immediate to just protect yourself. Yeah, there is
to protect myself. I'm not going to be the one
to stick my neck out. I could get murdered and
nobody would know, they could hide the body.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
Just to I haven't seen the case that we're talking
about off camera, but there is a point where someone
is in a meeting that disagrees that they become disruptive
to the meeting.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
Right, And that is true. I agree, not just sit
there and be disruptive.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
And if they're disruptive, there's a point where they have
to be If they will not shut up, what's not
being disruptive, they have to be removed.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
What happened in January sixth I rest my case, come
on January sex.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Listen to me, she this person probably I would assume
she shouted.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I didn't see the whole interaction.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Ah, but the fact that they came over, you know,
the fact that it was to get in there, that
you had to show all the ID and all that,
you know, everything that so he was picking who he
was making sure, which I guess is okay to a degree.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
He wanted his constituents there that lived there, which is
which is okay. But he was putting up all these
fences to them and made it difficult and made you feel.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Like you were, you know, being given you know, points
that you got to stop. You can't say things, you
can't do things. And and to me, that's not an
open meeting.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
That's not communicating. Yeah, and astrologically speaking, there's a lot
of energy around there around the world that's like, okay,
we need to put the energy into communicating correct and
what's wrong? Like it just sounds like she was passionate.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I I from I guess you know, I guess
Neil back there in the studio knows her, and uh
I you know, she she's some one who speaks her
mind and her peace. Right now, you know, we need
people to do that. You were just talking about like
people are afraid to do that, right, You're afraid for yourself,

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You're afraid for your family safety and all of that.
I mean, I you know, I'm gonna be traveling abroad
and I've never thought once about having an issue of
coming back into my country and not being stopped for
some reason. Or now you can be randomly you have
you know, I got TSA PRE that gets you through

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the lines better when you're going out, and TSA PRE
is supposed to be able to go through because they
have all your information because you paid for that. Right now,
they say you could be stopped at any point anyway,
you could be random.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
I'm terrified just getting pulled over by the police. Yeah,
what if they see like I changed my gender marker
to X, mostly because it just was like it really
spoke to me. I was like, you know what, yeah,
I am totally a straight woman, but give a nod
to the little boy that I was and the young
man that I had to be. I know, I changed

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my gender marker so I'm not technically really transd. But
you know the thing is is what if I get
stopped and I have a disgruntled police officer that doesn't
like that.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's like now at the airports there when you're coming
back in, they will look if you're.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
A lawyer, a journalist, a scientist.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Uh, and you're getting looked at more and they would
want to give you more trouble if they can. And
they're asking questions about your affiliation, your political affiliation. They
take you away, they bring you to another place, and
they start asking questions that you don't have to answer
as an American citizen.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
They only need to know where you're from.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Here's your passport, here's my infamation. They could take your
phone away.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Now under the Fourth Amendment, somehow they're allowed to take
your phone away. I'm like, I'm mortified by all of this.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
I'm not traveling overseas until he's not in office.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And you know, so I'm traveling, I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Risk traveling someplace and stay long term. You know, I'm
in another country.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
There's things online telling you what to do if you
get stopped and brought in to be you know, given
the one two you know, and and.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean, I just can't believe I can't bring my
phone you know. I mean, I'm going to bring my phone.
But they're basically saying, you know, turn off anything that
is identicy, you know, your face recognition or you know,
hand recognition. They say, can turn that off because if
they do take your phone, they're really not allowed to
ask for your code to get in apparently.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
And this is for people traveling.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
This is on you know, all major outlets, you know,
wired and other things that you know, just come up
on my feed about traveling now, like what you need
to know what you have to do if you get
brought brought in? Uh, you know, I'm I'm going to
probably switch to clear now to going out.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
I mean, I'm going to go get a flip phone
because i don't like being bombarded with distracting like news
feeds that are just not even legit.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm almost just thinking about it my cell.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Like I'm going to go back to a flip phone
and just have a bunch of numbers and not do
any texting. I'm just gonna be like, don't text me.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm gonna yeah, I mean a lot of people are.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
Getting way they can't they can't take anything, and that way,
if they take my phone, I'm like, okay, I was phone.
I'll just go get the numbers somewhere else from another device,
you know.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well yeah, now, but now they're saying that phone now,
now they're saying that even Berner phones, they they now
it's suspicious. Like if you have a bern A phone
and you're a journalist or a lawyer or something, why
do you have a bern A phone?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's suspicious.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Why you're right, exactly violated. So I mean, let's talk
for a minute about Qatar man. What what's up with that?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh well, you can have the horses and camels greeting you,
and uh.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Wasn't he busy I've been today. He was busy insulting
all these people like a year ago, and now they're
giving him gifts like what well, because going on, you know,
getting another private jets, getting.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
An airplane that they can't possibly use as air force
one because they would have to go into the plane
to see if there's any spy stuff in the plane.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
You know, what if what if it's designated to like
blow up? I mean that would be doing a favor.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
What if I'm not gonna I'm.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Not gonna call for that, but some weird bomb in there,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's really it's all because he wants to build you know,
Trump Qatar towers.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Uh, oh, it's just purely business.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Well he has he has a commitment from Guitar and
from Saudi Arabia to build you know, Trump buildings.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
How many how many impeachable impeachable offenses has he committed
at this point?

Speaker 7 (14:30):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
There's got to be like at least six. You know, like,
first of all, doing business as the president when you're
the president, isn't that illegal?

Speaker 7 (14:41):
Well, he hasn't done business as a president.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
His children have no he has he has this this
this crypto coin, which is he can't do now he's
going to get a plane, which is for his library.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
I mean it's gonna be his playing for.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Afterwards, be his because he says it's part of his library.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
What I mean? And how many people have bought their
citizenship for five thousand dollars million? And whose money is it? Who?

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Wait?

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, no, it's five million, millions five million?

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Oh oh for.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
Five million dollars. But that's so cheap.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh yeah, it is for certain cheap Yeah, certain people,
it is cheap.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
I mean you could just buy your citizenship like that is,
so isn't that impeachable right there?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's not going to happen because we don't have the
other side is not, you know, standing up for what
they are.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Voted in for. But maybe they are voted in for
being like this. I don't I don't know.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
The two words which I think are in the stand
of infamy in this country. It's executive order.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, executive order.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
But the funny to him signing it and showing it around.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
Yeah, the funny thing is I do feel that, like
it's like slowly I can see how it's happening slowly
over time. We're taking away our free speech, our ability
to travel and move about without getting harassed. So it
discourages people, and then what else is going on. It's

(16:26):
like kind of like directly affecting us a little bit
like low key because I was planning to Europe this
summer and no, not happening.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Now well I'm going, and now I'm like, you know,
people go, oh, you're being too worrying too much, and
I'm like, yeah, well.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
No, I think it's prett I mean, I like, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Know people have gone and come back and haven't had
a problem, but you know, I just it's you know,
you have an American you're an American citizen born here.
What are they doing? You know you're born in this,
don't you? You have a passport, you know, I mean you
better have the I D, the the the real ID
now too, if you're traveling in the country, you have

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to have real ID because.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Now you have to have you're looking for it now
for the roaming driver's license.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
Right, or you can have a passport.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
You can use your passport if you don't have a
real ID, but I think the real idea is important
to get.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
So and then what everyone out there.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Go to the Motor Vehicle Bureau and get one. Even
if you don't drive. You can get an ID at
motor vehicles.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Roaming What is it called an extreme real Exalted driver's license,
which you can go to Exalted. It's called well, there's
another name for it, the.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Calling it real I D. That's the name.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
Well, there's there's real ID. But then there's also the
driver's license that you can travel to Canada with. Really, yeah,
there's another way to do it.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I thought it was a passport card that you get.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
No, it's rivers that's enhanced. It's called.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Canada with it.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
No.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Well the reason why I know is because my boyfriend
has one, because he lived in Buffalo and he would
go to Canada for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
They're saying that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I was just in Seattle and I, you know, have
a couple of friends there. One was the head of
the commerce in the town, you know, And and it's
down Canadians coming in from like from Vancouver to uh

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to Seattle, you know, to to Washington area is yeah there,
it's down seventy.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Well yeah, and here too in New York too.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
Would I'm like, I'm just going to stay local and
you know, be up comedy show you I got.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I can't wait to see that. How's your commenty coming along?

Speaker 6 (19:04):
It's going good? I I I have my first paid
gig next week, the Roast of Ithaca, and I'm really
excited about it.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
And are they going to film it?

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
I film every single episode that I do because.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I want to.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
We need.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
I'm on Facebook. It's on Facebook. I go by the
name Charlotte Ghost. Yep, it's a ghost.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
If you have a show, give me a call because
we can put it on Malcolm Presents Dot.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Com Oh yeah, no, I'll send it to you. It'll
be seven minutes, but there's a whole lineup of other comedians.
If you want the whole show, probably they'll tape it
because it's a big deal. It's at the Kitchen Theater
in Ithaca. It's a small theater, but it's got a
lot of prestige. It's like a hundred people.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Yeah, so it's kind of going to be like a
town hall for Ithaca. I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well that's that's well, that's and then speak up.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Yeah. And then the following week I met the Ithaca
Laughs Festival.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Ooh laughs. I love you.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
So that'll get to see.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
You if you don't come to the city, and I'll
talk to the city.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
I spend time yesterday talking to an old mate of
the re Entry Theater that I was involved in, and
he said the same thing happened to him. And it
was interesting because remember I had gotten kicked out of
that play and that spurred me on to like do
stand up because it was so weird and awful. And

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so I met with this former cast member who said
he quit during the last play before it went to
the stage for the same exact reason that the executive director,
the director, and the stage manager didn't like him. But
the weird thing behind Reentry is that for people that

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are chemically dependent, mentally ill, and formerly incarcerated, and I
fit all three at different times in my life. Of course,
I'm doing well now, but it's really funny that he
had the same experience where he was just cut and
canceled just like that. Wow, and these people do that.

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So actually, my roast is happening exactly a year to
the day of when the show was going up.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
There you go, you can't remember.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
I'm going to talk about the liberal nightmare that is Ithaca,
which is that it is so far left that it
has lost touch with reality entirely, and it's an exclusive
group of people. You know, it actually doesn't serve anybody
to be that liberal. It Actually it hurts, you know,

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because I love people, do you know what I mean?
Connected with people that that's what.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's what John Lennon was talking about in the song
Revolution exactly.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
Well, he's a Debra like me, So he got it
and he expressed it, and I'm so proud of him.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yeah, didn't have anything to do with Cornell.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
No, it has to do with the culture in the
city of Ithaca, because it became a town where thirty
years ago in nineteen ninety when I left nineteen, well
that's thirty five years ago. Thirty five years ago, Ithaca
was recycling seventy five percent of all waste wildfire and

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real quick. Just to wrap up, we can pick it
up out it.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
We're going to talk about plastic in the next classic witty.
We didn't get to plastics this week. We're going to
get to our green shade. But go ahead.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Well, I'll tell you that when I when we were back,
come back. Thing that happened with Ithaca was the business
of being on the cutting edge of environmental protection. And
it also became I hate to say this, it sounds judgmental,

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a lesbian haven and for some reason, for some reason,
the culture of lesbians in our town, and that sounds terrible.
Most of my friends are gay, actually lesbians. So we're
all on board with this, you know, we all understand this.
There's such a high number that the communication got so

(23:37):
touchy feely that it went into this leftist pocket, which
is exclusive, judgmental, narrow minded, and dressed up as liberal.
And that's what I got. Until after the break, But
that's what's happened. That's what happened with that play.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
So wow, didn't realize that was a connection there.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
But anyway, you don't see until it happens to you, and.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
You don't you don't see it till it's in front
of your face.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
I guess it happens to you till you get stung.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, I get you know.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Anyway, So we're gonna talk more about that, and we're
gonna have you know, Charlotte back. We're gonna hopefully get
into some plastic innovations that at least list some and
get some astrology in and so please stay tuned and
we'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
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Speaker 2 (25:06):
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Hudson River Radio dot com. All right, so now that
we got the plugs in uh and Charlotte, you'll give

(25:51):
us your plugs after so, so cant let's do a
little wrap up of the of the the Ithaca thing situation.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
You think that.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
This is just my experience, so other people might not
have this experience, but I have run into it so
many times, where the extreme liberals are just as judgmental,
as severe and narrow minded as the most extreme people

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on the right. And I like to be a little
bit mainstream, Like I totally consider myself a punk rocker,
but I don't have any tattoos or piercings, and I
look a little bit mainstream, like I can dress up
and just fit right into the middle. And I feel
like that is useful because then I can communicate with

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anybody and give them love and be like and somebody
that operates to bring the good thing, which is the
most important thing in life, right, which is connecting with
people down with greed, you know, including people, you know,
these people that did this play. It was so severe,

(27:03):
like they're like, we're very DEI, we include everybody. Yet
I got canceled and it's like, oh my gosh, so
we're DEI with everybody but you.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
And this person that I met the other day that
really helped me out a lot. He was like, that
happened to me the year before, and had I known,
I would have never gotten involved, you know, because that
really messed me up for a year. Yeah, I know
you were I finally, I finally had my first sit
down with somebody yesterday from the group, and I was like,

(27:36):
thank you so much because I've been carrying this burden
for a year and he just validated me on so
many fronts that I feel no ill will. And you know,
it'll come up in the roast though.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Right, Oh, I want to hear that. I got to
hear that roast. You gotta go come into the city.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's gonna be fun. So quick, what's your shade of green?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
And then let's try to get into a couple of
innovative things in the plastic world, including plastic eating enzymes
and mushrooms.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
So okay, well, I miss using glass for just getting
a drink of water. But my shade of green is
Kelly green.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Okay. I love Kelly green.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Green right now, and I thought, let me do Kelly I.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Was at when I was in Seattle, I went to
the Chihuly Glass Museum. He is on real.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'll send you some pictures. It is mind blowing. I mean,
it's next to the Seattle Space Needle.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
I don't know anything about it, so I'm writing down
the word.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I will send it to you because you will, you
as an artist, will flip out.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
I can assure you.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
I can assure you that.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
So yeah, so where you know you said in the
first half that it's the had a good environmental record
for the most.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
They have such a cool record, and they're recycling every time.
Staples I probably all over the country has like a
depository for electronics and batteries. We have really cool reuse scene.
And then we have like four giant thrift stores and
I don't even buy anything new anymore, do you know

(29:25):
what I mean? It's still rare.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I'm using is a big thing, you know.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
And then they have a great recycling center. So six
days a week you can bring over your recycling for
free and we pay for garbage pickup, but most people do.
I think in most cities now we pay for we
have to put trash tags on our trash tags, and

(29:50):
so it has a really good record. So you think,
and I think that that somehow bled into this very
strange breed of extreme life fist thinking, which is just
punishing its punishment, you know, because you have to watch
what you say. It's not free. You can't just go
out there and be yourself.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And you know what I mean, that's that's happening a
lot on both ends. It's it seems like the both
extremes are what's causing a lot of this anguish and
problems and UH and and those of us kind of
in the middle, you know, the song stuck in the
middle with you. But this this is like, you know,
how do you your rational sense has to kick in

(30:37):
and go, this has to be, you know, something that's
more moderate. But again, there's so much going on that
your brain doesn't know where to focused.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
But anyway, which we we we always talk about plastics
in our shows.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So I want to just get to the couple of
things about UH innovations in bioplastics, like plastically from renewable
materials like cornstarch or seaweed. This this guy, doctor Leah Martinez,
is a bioplastic researcher with Nature Work. Said, we are
engineering plastics from plants instead of petroleum. Some of those

(31:14):
break down in commercial composting facilities.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
In just a few weeks, but you know, bioplastics still
need the right conditions to break down. So different companies
are trying alternatives.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And you know they're also having refill and reuse systems
that you can reuse containers. There are places and stores
coming out now that you could bring in containers and
get you know, soaps and shampoos and other things that
you could just refill instead of buying the plastic you know,
bottles of shampoo.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Yeah, I really love that. I mean that is like,
I feel like that is the direction we need to move.
I saw an article, or it wasn't an article. It
was just an image of what it would look like
if we just took the plastic out of our cleaning products.
It was such a beautiful image. And I remember those

(32:08):
days in the sixties when cleaning products came either like
you bought Mister Clean in a glass bottle. But we've
had yeah, and you had everything in cardboard, so you know,
and those things. It just seems like the easiest thing
to do. Yet we have we haven't done it. I
think the big crackdown is just stop making plastic. M hm,

(32:33):
that's creating plastic, you know, can we do and are
we brave enough? Well?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, I'm sorry, But New York State what they're they're
they're trying to get the reusable package law in place that.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
That either you know that that that it could break down.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know that the packaging at its manufacturing, you know,
which is what you're talking about, is what is really
most needed. And also aternatives you know, using glass again.
You know, things that could be returned like the milkman, right, Malcolm,
we had the milkman.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
In Brooklyn, right, I remember that, and.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And the Seltzer man too, right, the Seltzer and glass bottles,
and you would just return the bottles. The guy would
show up and give you the new Seltzers.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
I mean, well, the Celti bottle was more than the
glass bottles because it happened right.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Right, it had the Seltzer. You had to get this canister, right,
you had to get the canister.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Well, I think what you run into is the business
of like how do you do that on a mass level?
Like you take one product like olive oil, for example,
they sell it in tins, but it's mostly in plastic,
but there's not that many. Like if I guess what
what would be a good solution is if they only

(33:49):
stores only sold one brand of olive oil, right, and
then they had like these glass bottles that are refillable
and if you had that same sized bottle, then it
would be like going to the co op. You weigh
the glass and then you take you do it by weight.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
Question is how much does the plastics industry make?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh trillions. It's the money, it's the greed, it's you know.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
And what would it take if they did away with plastics, Well.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
They would have to, you know, go through what they
did in the past.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I mean, I mean we had glass bottles, We had
other ways you know of getting water.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
You would put a turn on the tap and put
your glass there and drink. I mean there's the single
use plastic water bottles are probably the most in terms
of getting drinking from the plastic and getting the microplastics
in you and then the bottle itself being thrown away.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
Well, does anybody drink from the tap anymore? That's what
I'm I do me And did you hear where the
doing way with all these chemicals that supposedly make the water, say, well.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Of course, and I don't know what that's going to do.
That'll be interesting. Ah, that'll be interesting to see. I
mean I had well water out in Trumansburg where I
had my house, and I had to treat it with
some little tablet. But it's still it tasted like a meal,
you know. It definitely tasted like there was algae in there.

(35:24):
You know, it was different water, but it was good.
It was good water. I would filter with the Brita
and it's very drinkable. It wasn't at all not tasty.
The best water is in Vermont. Their water is really committing.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, well that I mean just some certain places of
the water is fantastic. This is I got to break
in because I just got a text from my crazy
best friend Redhead, who's taking a boat a Viking cruise
on the Mississippi. She just sent me a picture of
a factory polluting water in Mississippi. She goes, this is

(36:01):
why the Mississippi is polluted. Exxon mobile the second largest
plant in the USA, and it's just it's going I
don't know, you can't see it, but it's going.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
In to the river.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
That's a full image. I want to see it.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
So but you know, getting back to try that innovation
is happening. You know, you have the ying and yang
of everything.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
They have these plastic eating enzymes. Uh, I knew it.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
See if we can figure out a way to ingest
one that is well good for humans, that can.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Remove the microplastics, this is a lot of scientists. Scientist
doctor Antoine Roy said our enzyme breaks pet down to
its original molecules, allowing true recycling. It gives it. It's
like giving plastic a sick in life. I don't know
if this refers to I think it's mostly stuff that's

(36:55):
being manufactured.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
And then it says another another their company, Ecovative co
founder Evan Bayer, said even mushrooms are joining the fight.
Companies are growing packaging from mycilium, the.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Root structure of fungi.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I mean, this is this is what we're looking at,
and there's so much more, which we'll have to get
to in the next show.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
You like, look, I think, oh sorry, Malcolm go.

Speaker 7 (37:23):
Yeah, I'm saying another ten years will come out all
these things that got rid of, you know, the plastics.
They're harmful for the body, not as.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Harmful as the plastics are, I can tell you that.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
I think like a little more time is going to
go by though, where people get sick or have cancer
because of their plastic consumption, and then it'll really be
pedal hits the metal in like ten years and then
they'll create the innovation that they can do it system why,
But it's just not happening yet. So we're in that
messy phase of there's a million different ways to tackle

(37:57):
this problem, or maybe not a million, but like a
whole bunch of different ways to tackle this problem. And
it's just not we haven't stopped producing plastic. We're still
producing plastic, and then there's still polluting. We're polluting ourselves
and we're still trying to figure out you know.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
It's just I'd hate to bring up the really, the
the big thing that's going to kill us.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
In a billion years, there'll be no oxygen on the planet.

Speaker 7 (38:23):
No, what's going to be is you won't be.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
Alive though vaccine, So it'll be okay, all right.

Speaker 7 (38:28):
I'm saying, but my ghost spirit will be But you
know something, we're missing everything as a carbon footprint.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Oh yeah, well, well Big Corbs do a lot of that, Malcolm.
They like, they've done some work on patching the ozone.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, they've done some work on that.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yes, they have done a lot of work.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
I don't know how normal it is, but like last
weekend it was like ninety five degrees in Los Angeles.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Oh yeah, well.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
In the ocean, I fifty degrees in Los Angeles. I
never remember a forty to fifty degree in New York.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
We've had eighty and then it went to forty recently.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
It's still very chilly out here. Today it's warm, it's
like seventy five, but it's still very chilly here.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Well, we had a bad storm yesterday.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
A tree hit a line in this So I woke
up this morning and none of my electricity was on,
and I'm like, what the hell is going on? And
it happens all the time, and I thought, oh God,
how am I going to do this show?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I might have to go to the library.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I'm like thinking, like, but it finally came back on, obviously,
and it happens all the time now, just happens all
the time.

Speaker 7 (39:38):
I get panicky when my cell phone goes out.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, anyhow, communications communication is key, So give us a
little astrology before.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
We have to run.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
All right, Well, listen, we got to round Sagetarius. Anybody
with a lot of Sagittarius is probably able to fulfill
a ste acred wish right now because Neptune is in
Aries and Mars is in Leo, and so anybody with
Leo Maxine is going to be freaking out on the

(40:10):
down low and like really needs to express themselves. So
keep your writing up and keep sending me articles. I
know we didn't get to talk about fabric.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
We'll get it. We'll get Leo.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Rules fashion and fabric. So anyway, so Sagittarius could go
two ways. They could become intoxicated with their power and
hopefully not hopefully it'll go towards the good. But right now,
Sagittarius is very powerful.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Which which month is that? Which which Sagittarius is.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
Well, the month of December is Sagittarius. But I'm just
saying the aspects point to Sagittarius really having their finger
on the pulse and enjoying some good moments in their work.
Life and really being successful and out there with their
new ideas, and hopefully they won't be too intoxicated with
their because people are really listening. On the opposite spectrum,

(41:04):
we have Jupiter and Gemini, so anybody with a lot
of Gemini is probably having like an upward mobility. I'm
actually having a very good moment. My moon is in Gemini.
Jupiter rules expansion, so it's a great time to do
talk shows, do any type of talking art form. Let's see.
And then down at the bottom of the chart, Aries

(41:24):
has Neptune and Venus in Aries, so Aries and chirn
Aries needs to stay a little bit quiet. They are
causing problems for themselves all by themselves, and they need
to like get some stability in their life. And they
don't have any trouble being hurt. I'm never worried about them.

(41:46):
So go back a little bit and we have Pisces.
The north node is in Pisces. People with a fair
amount of Pisces might be leading the way like the
pied Piper and kind of leading people, yeah, kind of
leading people towards compassion, you know, I would say compassion
and the good of humankind. Pluto in Aquarius aquariuses are like,

(42:13):
they are guilty of feeding people the opiate of the masses.
They are guilty of. This is where I'm talking about
that extreme leftist thing or the extreme rightist. They are
guilty of kind of doing that. They want to kind
of treat the individual, but they're like, no, everybody needs

(42:34):
to be like this. They're really guilty of that, like
putting a blanket over it. So they kind of want
to put people to sleep a little bit. So you know,
there's trouble on the horizon with that Taurus has let's
see the sun and Uranus is in Taurus along with mercury.
So people with a lot of Taurus, you know, they're

(42:55):
they're going to be out there trying to get their way,
so to speak. If they turn their heart towards generosity,
they're much better off. Okay, So right up here in
the seventh house, cancer, that's where we have our kind
of extreme protective ideology coming out. Cancers might be very

(43:19):
extremely protective right now this month, and they probably just
want a cocoon and stay home. They might be feeling
too sensitive to expose themselves to any crazy. Leo is
up in the eighth house, As I said, before fabrics,
and they are the rabble rousers. So go out there

(43:40):
with your bad self, Maxine, go out there and get
a petition going, go find the people that are going
to stick their necks out, you know, get a thousand
of them, and they can't. They won't. They won't be
able to rest a thousand people. Do you know what
I mean? That's too many?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, prob that's the it's numbers, you know.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Yeah, keep talking about what you're talking about, and.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Numbers are important.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
So yeah, reaching the masses, but keep your mind focused
on the thing. Okay, Virgo Virgo is up there and
you were talking about a reusable package law. They are
lobbying heart just stop making plastics, just stop stop, stop stop. Altogether,
they are the pragmatic ones, and they're the ones that

(44:25):
they're going to be able to print literature to make
it happen and turn enough minds in the right direction.
Libra is the kind of I guess drum major and
they're getting people to pay attention. Look this way, no, now,
look that way. No, we need to focus on this.
So if their heart is in the right place, they

(44:46):
actually have like a marvelous amount of influence right now
and then Scorpio is in the eleventh house, and Malcolm
was saying two words executive order. That is so scorpio.
I don't know where scorpio is in Donald Trump's chart,
but anybody with a lot of scorpio right now is

(45:09):
capable of creating an environment where they can make decisions,
help people narrow it down to the most important, focused,
best decision, and get their friends on board. Now is
a good time for that. So that's all I got.
It's the month of disagreements and lawlessness. Pay attention. The

(45:33):
colors for Taurus are bright green, yellow, bright orange, hot, pink, beige,
and black.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Interesting. All right, Well that's that's our astrology and we're
about to wrap.

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