Raindrops, Redford and Resistance w/ George Polisner and Special Guests

Maxine and Malcolm are joined by George Polisner and Special Guests Tina Flores and Yolanda Nava.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Hudson River Radio dot Com.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello out there in podcast land and beyond. MAXI Margar
Rubin along with my co host Malcolm Berman, and this
is the Many Shades of Green, a program that adds
a dash of green into your life. As we engage
in conversations that move to inform, educate, activate, and raise
your eco and social consciousness through culture, politics, music, art, science,

(00:45):
and community, we hope to inspire you to pick a
shade of green and become a stuard of this beautiful, blue,
green planet we call Earth. So hi to a lot
of folks here today. We have Malcolm Mountain, La Georgie's
out west as well. We have Yolanda up in the
Bay Area.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I believe you know I'm in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You're okay, And okay, you're in Los Angeles, and Tina's
in the Bay Area. Okay, correct, all right, I got that,
so all, welcome, Welcome, Welcome. I was, you know, I
keep saying like I always switch up songs sometimes when
I use one to bring in, which we've been doing
a lot lately, and so this week, in homage to

(01:27):
Robert Redford, who I've been thinking about a lot, I
chose raindrops keep falling on my head, ring up.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Falling on my head, And just like the guy who's
fed up too big for his bed, nothing seems to fit.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Those ring ups fall in on my head. They keep
falling in. So I just meet some time into the sun,
and I said I didn't like the way he got
things done, sleeping on the job. Those ring drops of

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all in on my head, they keep all in.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But there's one thing I know.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
The blues they send to meeting me won't defeeding me.
It won't be along to have been this that sulf
to greeting me.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Ring drops keep all in.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
On my head, but that doesn't mean my eyes will
soon be turned red. Cry is not for me because
I'm never gonna stop the rain by compain.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Because nothing well be and me it won't be to

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have been that step shop.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
To read me.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Uh, rain drops keep falling on my head. I was
written by Bert Backcrap and Larry David Too Incredible.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
Thomas B. J.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Thomas was the singer uh and uh. It was in
the movie. It was featured in Butch Cassidy and the
Sundance Kid.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Sorry Adam the drummer in it as my cousin Alice Schwarzburg.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Wow, Okay, good to know, all right, let's hear it
for alan Uh. At any event Sundance Kids will star
Robert Redford and Paul Newman, and they were both amazing
human spirit and a stressed the importance of giving back
by taking action to make things better. We lost Robert

(04:14):
Redford this week. We're going to talk more about him
in a little while, but he was pretty amazing actor, director, conservationists,
family man, and just a human being that we need
more of. So we are losing our freedoms on a
daily basis, it seems, so where do we go and
what do we do? The opening song, rain Drops Keep

(04:37):
Falling on My Head uses the metaphor of rain drops
to represent life's challenges and struggles, but it also emphasizes
that one needs to remain positive and believe that happiness
is on its way. The lyrics go on to suggest
a realization that complaining won't stop the rain, and instead
one must take action or take the initiative to move

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life in the desired direction. The song can also be
interpreted as promoting freedom and the idea that as long
as one is free, because that's one of the lines
because I'm free, nothing's worrying me. Then it'll be better
down the line and everything will be okay. But in
today's world, we're facing very difficult times. As raindrops seem

(05:24):
more like ublick. I was trying to explain what ublick
was as in the children's book Bartholomew and the Ublick,
written by doctor Theodore Guaiseel aka doctor SEUs Speck in
nineteen forty nine. In that book, the king is bored
with normal weather is there such a thing as normal
weather today? And orders his magicians to create a new

(05:47):
kind of precipitation. They conjure up Ublick, a sticky green
goo that falls quickly and reaks havoc, causing the entire
kingdom to become covered and a mobilized Bartholomew, who's the
young page. The King's page, is the only one not
stuck in the ublik because he represents good, and he

(06:11):
eventually convinces the King to apologize, I don't know how
we're going to do that here today, for his greedy
desire for something new the King's apology. He does finally
apologize and causes the ublik to melt away. And he
learns to appreciate the simple natural weather. So right now
we're dealing with a wannabe king who has no capacity

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for decency, apologies, leadership, and he believes that climate change
is a hoax. Talk about the weather. He said he
would be a dictator from day one, and he is
weaking have it on the world. So what are we
going to do? How are we going to get through
all of this? I point to George Paulisner, founder of

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sid Works, to give us some insight into kind of
seeing a free falling of democracy in the US and
the globe. It's not just here, it's it's in other
parts of the world, and it's just rearing its ugly
head and we need to do something. And what can
we do? Is everyone asking what do we do? What
do we do?

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
So let's see what we can count conjure up. So
I would also like to welcome Yolanda Nava and Tina Flores,
who will be you know, doing a show with me
on many shades of green and focusing on activism which
is so important, community organizing, climate and historic importance of diversity.
So I'm just welcoming you both, and of course well

(07:36):
and it's great to have you. And uh so let's
walk between the rain drops, stay away from the ublick.
And I guess Nick at Night calls it the the
you know they had the green Uh they used to
have Nick at Night, I remember, or the or the
different shows double Dare you know we'd get the green
motion on your head. It's right, So that reminds me

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of the Ubulik.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
So anyway you might, my mind went to a totally
different place, Maxine, My mind was going to Okay, doctor
Zeus was writing about acid rain long before before we
characterized it.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
He probably he probably did. You know, he's he was
quite amazing. So we wanted to give like an ode
to Robert Redbird. And at this point, you know, we
can go through everything he's done. I I know he
was I didn't really I remember he had some disease,

(08:32):
but I didn't remember that that he had polio, right,
and that's topical.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
That's now topical because of it is a Secretary of
health and it and also I mean one of the
things that I was looking at some of his Robert
Redford's quotes, and one of his quotes was when things
become insurmountable, some people quit. Some people keep going for

(08:58):
no other reason than to continue, because that's all there
is to do. And so I was thinking about that
quote and thinking about Tina and Yolanda and their lifetime
commitment to activism and community organizing and trying to make
the world a better place. And so I know we're
gonna we're gonna first spend time on Robert Redford. But

(09:19):
I also thought, you know, in terms of Robert's lifetime commitment,
which really started, as you said, Maxine, he had polio
when I think he was eleven years old and was
bedridden for weeks. And after that time, his mother felt
guilty for him being kind of locked away in bed

(09:42):
for an extended period of time, and they drove to
Yosemite and that's where he just was owed by nature
and said, you know, this is what we have to
steward and protect and conserve for future generations.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
And so he did. Ye, he absolutely did through his actions.
Through you worked with the n r DC, He worked
in Utah. My cousin actually would ski with him in
Park City, Utah. They would be ski buddies for a
long time. My cousin David, who was another amazing human
and so his cod you know, he was so so

(10:19):
much in in in line in with nature and wanting
to make sure it's protected and did everything he could
in his power to try to do that. While you know,
he originally I think wanted to be an artist, but
but someone was critical. One of the teachers was critical
of him, and it threw him off. I saw that
in an interview and then he just went to acting,

(10:41):
which was like, well, this seems like something that I
can do when they're hiring me. So yeah, you know,
because if you look at this guy's face, you know,
he was gorgeous. He was a gorgeous man. This was
like unbelievable to just I mean just looking at me.
That scene with Barbara Streisan in the way we were,

(11:03):
you know, and the way she.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Goes that's a song I would have played memories.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, no, it's nice. But I like Wayne Jobs fulling
on my head because that's where you can feel it.
And he also did. He wasn't had political you know,
he he didn't. He wasn't afraid of saying things that
he felt. And of course he was in All the
President's Men, which was about the Watergate, you know, scandal,

(11:28):
and he's not.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
You know, I think besides being in that, he actually
was the executive producer, one of the producers of the film,
and it was an incredibly important story for him to tell. Uh.
And so his his commitment, as you say, extended not
only beyond conservation, but also he told it like it is.

(11:52):
He had several things to say about the current criminal.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Elect Yeah, yeah, and he went out said it. You know,
you and I were bantering about a bit how far
we can go today to talk about a particular thing,
and I was getting, i'll mint nervous about what's going
on with this and who they might be coming after.
I know I'm a little podcast, but you start to
get nervous about things, and if you're going to travel anything,

(12:19):
someone gonna pick this up and go, well, you did
you know this shouldn't be this shouldn't be happening. This
just shouldn't be happening. And the fact that Robert Redford
went out and you know, he's a star, he's a celebrity,
had the power, but he used his power. He used
it to say things like that, and because he knew
what was coming down the line, and so you know,

(12:40):
he was in fantastic. He also some of the other
movies he was in, uh was Barefoot in the Park,
of course. Butch Cassidy the Sting he directed and got
an Academy Award for Ordinary People, and he just was
the consummate actor and director. And I just felt there
when you know, and he and conservationists, and I just

(13:05):
felt we needed to, you know. He He also criticized
the decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement. Agreement he
didn't handle, you know, he he said a few other
things and any other quotes you got there before we
get off of Robert.

Speaker 8 (13:21):
Well. In twenty nineteen, he penned an up ad in
which he referred to the then what I call the
first crime wave, the first administration. Trump's administration was a
monarchy in disguise and said it was time for Trump
to go. Yeah, and so I mean. In July twenty twenty,

(13:42):
he penned an op ed in which he stated that
Trump lacked a moral compass. If and if, and from
my perspective, if Trump has a moral compass, it's because
he's stolen it from someone.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's true. That's true. Yeah, I mean again, we need
people to speak out. I've been looking at stuff today
about what happened with Kimmel. But we'll go through that later.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
As I always say, as I've repeated over the years, Trump,
I knew what to expect of you know, I'm from
New York. I remember when he first gained power. What
I'm disappointed and I don't know what to do about it,
is how many people follow him? How many you know, Republicans?
You know, I think he's a god. Well, yep that

(14:34):
I don't understand that at all.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
A lot of people don't.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
So no, no, I know it's fifty to fifty, but still,
let's say it's fifty to fifty. Even if it's.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Forty fifty, it's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Well, i'd say it's forty sixty. It's still forty percent
of the people still approve of him.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I think George is shaking his hand. I don't know
it's I.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
Mean, without going over the numbers, I mean, the reality
is in the last election, was about a third of
the people UH theoretically voted for him, a third of
the people voted for Kamala UH, and a third of
the people didn't bother to vote as far as far
as we know, UH and so so. But anyways, I
I do think that, uh. And we'll cover some of

(15:16):
the more critical issues. Uh and and really some of
the corruption and horrible things that are coming out of
this administration. Uh. But I mean again, Robert Redford had
devoted a life to keeping us entertained with amazing acting
in film uh and producing important films. Uh. And then

(15:39):
of course his lifetime commitment to activism that extended beyond
environmental issues. He was very active in human rights uh
and uh and committed to to equality. But I also
wanted to uh you know, in terms of of Yulanda
and Tina. Uh. You know, they they have I mean,

(16:02):
just talking to them on a couple of occasions before
before this show, I was just completely inspired by their
lifetime commitment and uh and it was interesting. Uh. You know,
first of all, Yolanda is an activist, a journalist, and
she's an award winning author.

Speaker 9 (16:21):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (16:21):
She's on the editorial board and a contributor to very
important publications.

Speaker 10 (16:27):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (16:27):
She's a spokeswoman for the Salt of the Earth anniversary commemorations. UH.
And she's the creator and host of a show called
do You See What I See? On YouTube? Uh And
she considers herself a bridge, bridge builder and interfaith there,
which I think is so incredibly important at a time
in which society, the fabric of society is just so

(16:50):
polarized and divided. And we'll be talking about some of
that in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (16:55):
And then Tina Uh in terms of her lifetime, her
life time commitment dedication. I mean, I was really impressed
Tina said that a teacher was very, very influential back
in the fourth grade that really kind of inspired her
into a lifetime of trying to improve the quality and

(17:16):
dignity and of injustice for folks. Uh. And I want
to explore more with both Tana and Yolanda. I know
that Tina mentioned that back in high school she was
an organizer for the United farm Workers of America. I
mean that's impressive. I mean in high school, I was
struggling with showing up to class and so actually being

(17:38):
being engaged and committed. Uh. And then I know that
Tina has mentioned that you were, and I'm interested in
exploring some of this too. You were the warrior poster
person for the Chicano Chicano Power, Chicano Power movement for
the Chicano Moratorium, which was such an incredibly important time.

(18:01):
Uh and in terms of the anti war Vietnam protests
and civil rights protests, uh and so and as I
was reading about that to reacquaint myself with that time,
I saw again, uh the notes about Ruben salaz Are
uh and his uh really it was a murder by

(18:28):
a prominent Mexican American journalist. And I remember first reading
about this in a Hunter Thompson book. And so for me,
when when my life gets really challenging, I wonder how
the heck am I going to go forward? I'll read
some Hunter Thompson and that and that helps me. But anyways, yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
To women are amazing, I can see just from from
this and I'm sure and I can't wait to be
able to to work with them on some future shows.
Uh so the devotion to to activism and community, uh
and just having that courage to keep to keep moving on.
And and I know, Yolanda, you you know, I'll go

(19:10):
you have really you're you're you're as you said when
we were speaking before a miracle and uh, you know,
I just want to uh to recognize that you you
over you have overcome something that's pretty uh well, you.

Speaker 10 (19:23):
Know, you raised something you talked about, you know, the
power of women and how important women are UH A
key UH person in my life and a reason why
I think I, without realizing it, headed the direction of
becoming an activist and became aware that I was a
bridge builder because of the home that I was raised in.

(19:47):
My mother told me something very important. I was eight
years old.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 10 (19:51):
She said, if you see something that is wrong, if
you see something unjust, it's your duty and responsibility to
do something about it. I was eight years old, and
somehow those words, you know, kind of were bubbling within
me unconsciously. I went through high school. I was you know,
very social. I wasn't involved in anything but you know,

(20:12):
nice school activities and groups. And it wasn't until I
went to graduate school at UCLA and discovered Professor Vuangobs
Canonis and started reading about Chicano history, Mexican American history,
and they had a passion for history that I realized
that I was living between two cultures. Not easy, the

(20:32):
challenges exist, but my mother's words have always guided me.
And I wrote a book, you know, of virtues, that's
all the Free Holiss based on her deathbed wisdom. So
I think we have to take heart what our mothers say,
what our sisters and cousins and aunts and teachers tell us,
because they're always trying to give us messages. It just
sometimes we may not get them at the time.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I agree. I have that with my mom. I'm sitting
here looking at a picture of her and stuff that
she said would go over my head but not anymore.
And why didn't I realize that as much then as
I as I do now?

Speaker 6 (21:09):
You know, I guess which is important thing?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Say the same thing?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay, now.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Say the same thing.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's it's pretty crazy, but and yeah, I know there's
there's there's so much going on, and there's so much
that's happening, and people don't know a lot of the
good things happening because all we're seeing is constant, constant
barrage of just insanity right now. So when you're giving
a lifetime of activism and working, you know, uh, you know,

(21:41):
everyone has inspiration and uh so, Tina, did you have
a particular inspiration and you can quickly talk, you know,
give us Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I was in the fourth grade and Missus Moody was
talking about she was recruited out from the South and
Martin Luther King the organization out there, I believe, I
don't want to I don't mind to misquote, but it
was an organization connected with Snick about getting teachers from

(22:14):
the South into the West coast. So she was part
of that brigade of teachers and she inspired me. She
inspired me, and I have been inspired ever since. I
want to go and do a pilgrimage to go find
her family and thank them because she was a teacher.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Teachers and parents they inspire the kids more than kids
want to recognize until the point in your life that
you realize what they have done. And I hate to say,
but we're at the break. I don't even know how
we got to the break. I don't know. We're gonna
have to have part two of this choide. We'll NAVI
gonna get through this. So we'll be back more with

(23:01):
h with George Paulisner and Yolanda Nava and Tina Flores
and Malcolm Kneel back there not to talk about what's
what's happening here in America and we'll just democracy survive
this and will our republic survive. So please stay tuned
and come back and find.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
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Speaker 9 (23:20):
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Speaker 1 (23:44):
This is Hudson River Radio dot.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Com and we are back with George Paulisner. He's founder

(24:10):
of civ dot Works. And also we're talking to Tina
Flores and Lenda Nava, talking about what's going on, uh
in this country and in the world, that we're really
in chaos and it's ensuing all around us.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
There were some there was some news last week and
I don't know if anybody caught it, but Charlie Kirk
was assassinated while he was speaking at an event on
a college campus in Utah. And it's been interesting to me.
I mean, even here, I've seen some flags at half staff.

(24:49):
I've heard some of Trump's comments and other comments about
about this man. Uh. But when you look at his
life and you look at the kinds of things that
he did, Uh, he was a merchant of hate speech,
hate speech and division. He's a founder of an entity,

(25:13):
a conservative entity called Turning Point USA. And I have
no issue with conservative groups or liberal groups. And we'll
talk briefly about Turning Point USA because they're characterized by
the Southern Poverty Law Center as a as a hate group,
not a conservative policy group, and Charlie Kirk was killed.

(25:39):
But he famously said, and this was about the Second Amendment.
He famously said that I think it's worth it. I
think it's worth it to have a cost of unfortunately
some gun deaths every year so that we can have
the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights.
And so that was that was famous and ironic at

(26:03):
the same time. But this is the same individual that
was an election denier. He basically told large crowds on
campuses and elsewhere that the twenty twenty election was stolen
and Donald Trump won, which is antithetical to any evidence
that exists. Even Republicans have testified that the election integrity

(26:25):
in twenty twenty was intact. The incidents of any kind
of people voting that should have been voting was infinitesimally low.
And he also said this about COVID and public health.
He said, if it's between the economy getting back on

(26:47):
track and a couple hundred thousand people dying, well the
economy matters. Okay, this is somebody that we celebrate and
have and lower the flags that I.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
You know, you know, again, no one advocates assassinating or
shooting anybody. You just don't do that. And he yeah,
very questionable about a lot of what he was trying
to do, obviously, And to see flags at half mass
is like mind blowing. I don't know. Are they doing

(27:23):
it out do you see it in California? The Californians
out there.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Actually actually am my complex at the flag is at
half staff to me, but I know the owner is.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't whatever. I just to me it just again,
I always always on almost every show tell my brother's
famous line, Mitch, nothing makes sense, pause and plenty of it,
because nothing does make sense anymore. It just doesn't. And
when we're we're trying to get through these times and uh,

(28:00):
and then you know, they're attacking comedy and they're attacking
the First Amendment, and they've they've they've gotten rid of,
you know, for for the next he's Colbert, you know,
and he wanted an Emmy to stick it in their face.
I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
And and now we have Kimmel, who who's on the
firing squad. Literally, I mean it's not even uh you know,
this is this is what he said. Can I just
say what he said? Because what happened to the First
Amendment is my question? And how is he letting this happening?
He said on Monday Show on September fifteenth, we're taping

(28:35):
this on the On the eighteenth, he said, we hit
some new lows over the weekend with the Maga gang
desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk
as anything other than one of them and doing everything
they can to score political points from it. This is
what made the radar go up. This is what made
everything you know from that side go crazy. He also said,

(28:59):
in the same time frame, instead of angry finger pointing,
can we just for one day agree that it is
horrible and monstrous to shoot another human? And he sat
on behalf of my family. We send love to the
Kirks and to all the children, parents and innocents who
fall victim to senseless gun violence. And then the FCC

(29:24):
and the Orange Taco and Next Star, who owns all
the affiliates, gets in touch with the FCC chair and
he doesn't like what's going on. And this is because
Next Star owns ABC affiliates and a big affiliate in
New York, and they're afraid that there's six point two
billion dollar deal with Tegna won't get federally approved. This

(29:49):
is the same thing with Paramount and Colbert. And by
the way, Brian Kilmeade of Fox can say on the
air that homeless people should be legally euthanized or kill
and no one bats an eyelash.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
And they worked and they were killed, and they were killed.
In Minnesota, there was a homeless encampment that was subjected
to shooting violence after and who knows if their correlated
events or not, but they happened. And there are multiple
things to unpack with this vaccine. I mean one of

(30:23):
them that's that's really important to me that we hit
on a little bit during the break is there's a
lot of money to be made in hate and controversy,
and people like Kirk and Hannity and UH, Alex Jones
and Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram, Joe Rogan and Colter, Steve

(30:46):
Bannon and Ben Shapiro prophet from that that kind of
UH controversy and division and conflict and hate. And the
thing that we forget about is as a so the
seeds of division and hate in our country. It keeps
us all divided from recognizing that the wealth in the

(31:10):
country is being extremely concentrated to the top. The billionaires
own a lot of these media entities and have a
lot to gain on these mergers. And so, you know,
we're as long as we allow ourselves to be suckered
into these divisive conversations, the longer we're going to perpetuate

(31:36):
a very dystopian unfair injust economics, we're going to work
the decline of equality in the United States. I mean,
people need to really start thinking about the forces that
are keeping us divided. And really the only I mean,

(31:59):
at the time all of this happened, Uh, you know,
Melissa and Mark Cortman were assassinated.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
No state flags, No have flags right in the country
for them, not even anything children the president or anybody
on the Republican side.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
At Evergreen, at the campus of Evergreen School in Colorado. Uh.
At the same time that that Kirk was killed, there
was a school, a mass school shooting. Nothing, no talk
about that whatsoever. Uh. And so so the division is
essentially distracting us from the fact that our futures are

(32:38):
now and our futures are being stolen. Uh. And uh.
And the the the folks that own media, uh and
provide these platforms for hate and propaganda and disinformation are
printing money off of it?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Well they you know, for I'll give you the last
example before we we kind of get out of the topic.
But Larry Ellison, who owns sky Dance, who bought Paramounts,
who got rid of Colbert Little CBS, he wants to
now buy Warner and discover David Ellison, his son David Ellison. Yep, okay, right,

(33:16):
Well is Larry the father and David So could you
imagine if they own all of that? That's almost eighty
percent of the media.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
All right? And this all right?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I mean, what else do you say to that? I mean,
I don't even know what else to say to that.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
It's and Noam Chomsky warned us about this in Manufacturing consent.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yes, you're talking. You're talking right now about something that
is so important. One of the things that we really
need to do and do times a thousand is what
we're doing right now is getting on the radio, getting
on whatever kind of communication front we have, and show

(34:04):
the the what you're doing right now. This is happening,
because this and this and this and this is happening.
This is happening because you got to break it down.
So ABC like, because the young people are into Twitter
and into social media, they're not looking up there. I'm

(34:27):
looking up when somebody speaks what we're talking about right now,
you're looking up like who is saying that. We got
to look up and hear what you guys are saying
and get the distraction out of the email and the
TikTok and the this and that and the other. What

(34:48):
you're doing right now, we have to amplify it a
thousand times.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yes, that's true, because that's there. You know a lot
of people, you know, people go through life, they have
their their jobs, their kids, they need to to day
to day live and and they don't engage. And and
you know, someone told me, you know, we're going to
have to ride it out.

Speaker 10 (35:10):
What you know, how do you We can't write it out.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I'm just saying, this is exactly what we're doing right now.
Times a thousand.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, Yeah, I mean I agree one thousand percent. And
and that's why we try to get it, get the
word out. You know.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
One of the one of the things here though, there's
a key piece here, and that is that hate is
a very powerful weapon. And it's been used by dictators
across the centuries. So when you have people controlling the
media and and selling hate, which is you know what
you've been talking about. Uh, it's a very dangerous thing
because it comes to control. If you can say, oh,

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this group is X, Y or z, and then you know,
we don't like them, and then you get to the
point where now it's okay to eliminate them. That's gone
on in previous centuries and previous decades. We're in a
very critical place right now because right now the fingers
are being pointed at immigrants. But you know who else
is involved in that? According to Sony social Mayer, who
descends it on a recent Supreme Court decision, any one

(36:17):
in this country right now can be picked up and
sent away with no due process. And so it's not
just the immigrants, it's everybody is at risk of losing
their human and civil rights.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
You're so hard.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
People are carrying their passports, American citizens are carrying passports
with them.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yes to the listeners out there that it's each one
of us has to step forward and step up when
we hear something wrong that's being talked about around us.
We need to stand up because people are dying, are dying,

(36:59):
are being murdered, are being kidnapped, are being snatched off
the street. When we hear some of the hatred that's
going on, and we're just going to allow it to
happen around us, we have to speak up and out
and of course vote you have right.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Very well said, and I wanted to also just mention
this was something that federal prosecutor, former federal prosecutor Joyce
Van said, who would absolutely agree with what you just said, Tina,
and Yolanda you as well. She said, we have to
continue to speak out and challenge NOME. And by the way,
Noome doesn't know what due processes. But we have to

(37:39):
continue to speak out and challenge Nome, Bondie Kennedy and
others who aren't up to doing the job the American
people deserve. Americans speaking up is precisely what this administration
doesn't want. They want us to be overwhelmed by all
the stories about all the things. They want us to
be intimidated from exercising our right to speak lest we

(38:00):
fall under attack too. So our job is to make
sure that doesn't happen. Courage is contagious, is becoming one
of our models for this administration. Keep focusing on the truth,
keep speaking out, and keep going. That's from former federal
prosecutor Joice Fans, Right.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yes, that was well put because again, no one, you know,
people need to listen. There are people, you know, we
had the No King's Day rallies and there were millions
of people. Mainstream media didn't report a good part of that.
How the fourth estate is just gone pretty much and

(38:37):
the only thing left is independent media and.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
G you know, I think no matter how much how
many people will talk about the you know, what's happening
and illegality of it and it's against democracy, the thing
that's going to change people is their pocketbook, if things,
if things start costing more at the grocery store, or
if they're Yeah, but they are, but it's not to

(39:04):
a certain point that it's people are taking active role.
But as soon as it becomes more, that's where the
active role is. As far as the ethereal thing about
the press not being there, about media controlling too much
of the population, that's really not everyday people you know

(39:24):
don't pay it. Really you here, but that doesn't affect them.
They don't think it affects them.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
You're right. It's a direct connection to what's happening with people,
what's happening in people's lives, and it has to happen
repeatedly because the first time it happens, oh, you know,
is Biden's fault, or is Obama's fault or Benghazi or
her emails and so so anyways, that will start to
put pressure. And if pressure builds, especially leading up to

(39:53):
the twenty twenty six mid terms, that's going to that's
going to cause a lot of alarm, and we hope
it does. But it's it's important not only understanding that
economic pressure will put more pressure on the whole the
former political party known as the GOP, which is now

(40:13):
somewhat of somewhat of a criminal organization. But the other
thing that needs to happen, as Tina and Yolanda we're
talking about, is continuing to have the courage to speak
truth to power and speak out when you see things
that are wrong. I also I wanted to cover the
Supreme Court and something that's happening, but before I get there,

(40:35):
Ulanda and Tina wanted to just briefly mention some things
that were happening on November sixth that we'll talk about
that later later, Okay, very good. Well then then.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I will you put it on the web site so
it goes out.

Speaker 8 (40:52):
Good. Well. What I wanted to talk about, and a
lot of people are not familiar with this and need
to be, is the way that the Supreme Court of
the United States is supposed to work is there's essentially
supposed to be uh deliberation. There's supposed to The conventional

(41:13):
process is for extensive briefs to be filed foreign against
an issue or all arguments occurred before the justice justices, UH,
and the justices will go back and deliberate. UH. They'll
form a majority opinion, they'll sign on to the majority opinion,
and they'll be dissenters from that opinion. That is the

(41:34):
conventional way of justice and transparency UH, and the way
that the founders of the country UH anticipated our justice
system working. UH. There is something that is going on
that a lot of people are unfamiliar with called the
shadow docket. The shadow docket is something that is a

(41:55):
process in the court that traditionally has been used for
urgent procedural rulings not establishing precedent and major law, and
this is now being used as a weapon. It started
to be used in the first crime wave, it was

(42:16):
used against Biden by Republican ags, and it's being used now.
And what it is is there's no deliberation. There's no
public deliberation. The justices go back and they vote on
a particular issue. And I'll give you one example instead
of several that I had. But this is a very

(42:38):
important example. This is on an issue that was known
versus Prudomo, and it was on ICE detentions in Los
Angeles on the basis of race. In July twenty twenty five,
a District court judge found evidence of discriminary, discriminatory enforcement
practices by ICE agents and clear constitutional concerns. The judge

(43:03):
issued a temporary restraining order that stopped ICE from detaining
people on the basis of how they look, their language,
their workplace, or where they gather. That makes sense, right,
I mean, if you think about what the United States
is supposed to be, you're not supposed to go out
and say, oh, well, you're a person of color, so
I'm going to detain you. That's not how although I

(43:25):
know it's often how things have sadly worked in the
United States, but it's not supposed to happen, and it's
clearly an injustice. Well, the Supreme Court granted a stay
in a shadow docket order on September eighth, twenty twenty five.
They basically set aside the ruling from the district court

(43:45):
judge to allow Ice to continue on the basis of race.
How somebody looks where they work, the language that they use.
This was a shadow docket ruling. This was done at midnight,
behind closed doors, in the light of day. And there
are many issues that are now going to this court.

(44:05):
Another issue, Lisa Cook on the board of the Federal Reserve.
Trump is now raising her firing up to the Supreme Court.
He was told he couldn't fire by an appellate court.
Now he's trying to fire with no reason, no evidence,
or no reason. But I just wanted to briefly end

(44:28):
with Justice's Elena Kagan and Katanji Brown Jackson signed on
to a scathing twenty one page opinion that was written
by a Judge Sotomayer, which inscribes the Court's action in
Nome versus Pordomo, and she said, yet another grave misuse

(44:48):
of our emergency docket. We should not have to live
in a country where the government can seize anyone who
looks Latino, speaks Spanish and appears to work in a
low wage job rather than stand idly buy while our
constitutional freedoms are lost. She concluded, I dissent, Yeah, big time, Georgia.

Speaker 6 (45:10):
That's something the little confused about that. Are these decisions
supposed to be temporary decisions based on an emergency situation
that that that Trump has declared, or can it be
then taken up by the full court in the traditional way?

Speaker 8 (45:27):
Uh? Either either one can happen. But I mean when
they when they basically issue to stay on the take
t ro o, it allows ICE to continue detaining people
for as long as so, I mean, the Supreme Court
may say, Okay, we'll take this issue up next session
a year from now. By that time, you know, the
damage is done. And so the use of the shadow

(45:49):
docket to uh, to do things in a manner it
was never intended to do things like this, and it's
being used as a weapon in a very cruel constitutional
legal way by the sixty three majority of of the
what I consider to be the supremely corrupted corridor.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
Pick up anybody, Yeah, you can pick up anybody.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
They have they have his video. People are taking videos
and you're seeing how about the guy who threw the
sandwich at the cop and Bondy was going to file
federal charge. It goes on and on and on, so
we're kind of out of time.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
October eighteenth is no Kingstate, next protest.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Next October eighteenth is the next We got to shut
it down. We got to shut it down.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
The next movie.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
The next move is to shut it down. No one
goes to work, no one goes anywhere. Shut it down completely.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
That was the nature of one of my articles. I
think three months.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Bring it back. Let's get it again so quickly. I know,
know we need to you write no Kings Day, protests,
show up at town halls, write your state local senators
and reps. Make everyone feel uncomfortable, make ice feel uncomfortable,
do whatever you can if you're fearful, which to my level,

(47:16):
sometimes I'm afraid to do that. Hey, I did a
lot of protesting when I was younger, and now again
we have to do this.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
That power we need that we need people, power, industry,
hold them accountable.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
That's the bottom line. That's what you wrote, mister mister wonderful.
Uh my curmudgeon, favorite curmudgeon. So where can people get info? Uh, George,
and if anyone else has info they want to gain.

Speaker 8 (47:42):
So the uh so I continue to provide links to
frontline organizations. UH. People go to CIEV dot works, civ
dot works uh. And there are are tabs there UH
for organizations that are working in the front lines, independent
journalists and things that we can do. And also I

(48:04):
look forward to working with Tina and Yolanda and expanding
that and making sure that there's broad and comprehensive coverage
of frontline organizations, whether they be nationally, state, regional, or
locally focused.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Right. And so we have the no King's Day we had.
I don't know what the November sixth thing was. If
there's no time I can, you can send me the info.
I'll put it on my blog. And also Sunday, this Sunday,
the twenty first, is called SUN s U N Separate
Word Day. It's an interfaith for renewable energy and for

(48:39):
having climate change recognized as what it is and we
have to do to get things to fix that. But anyway,
so thank you all for being here. I really appreciate it,
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