Remembering 9/11 and more w/ Charlotte Ghiorse

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Hudson River Radio dot Com.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello out there in podcast land and beyond, Maxine Margot

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Rubin along with my co host Malcolm Berman. This is
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we hope to inspire you to pic achete of green
and become a steward of this beautiful, blue, green planet
we call Earth. So Hi, Malcolm, Mountain, La La Land,
and I to Charlotte upstate and Neil not too far
from me in the upper echelons of uh Westchester in
Rockland here. Uh yeah, howdy, howdy, howdy woo. Well, you know,

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I just I always trying to figure out a song
each time we start the show. Uh my brain has
been going back and forth and what's going on in
this world right now? And uh so I've been kind
of singing the chorus to talking about a revolution with
Tracy Chapman.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Don't you know talking about River sounds don't you know
how talking about her River Douhan sounds like.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
They're stunning in the little their line, crying at the
doorsteps of those armies of Salva. John wasting time in
the Morvan lines, sitting around Winburn promotion, don't enough talking
about behaver, the shining suns. Who are people gonna rise

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a up?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Get their chef?

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Who are people gonna raise a.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Take?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
What us there?

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Don't you know you a better?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Run?

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Run run run, run, run run run run, I think
about it. Run runs, run, run come run run, run, run,
run and run.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
The spine on the table are starting to turn talking
about the revelue.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
Jean.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
It's finally the tagles I start.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Adn't go turn talking about a revenue Jean talking about
her revue, Jean poo.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Rather standing in the welfare dying, crying to those ups o,
those armies of Southey, John wasting time and he and
the Bloyd the dimes sitting around waiting for her from John.
Don't you know? Talking about the John sounds? And finally

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the tagles I start ain't good turn talking about her revue.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Jean.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
It's finally the tables I start, ain't you turn talking
about her reever?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Jean oo no talking about her revenue Jean talking about her.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, talking about a revolution. Tracy Chapmans she wrote that
song when she was sixteen, and it was inspired by
her experience and anger about the socioeconomic disparities she witnessed
during her time at a boarding school in Connecticut, the
Wooster School. She got in as a special placement program.

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She's originally from Cleveland, Ohio, and she felt that the
working class, impoverished people were overlooked during that time and
still continue to be, and that change would come from
you know them. I sent him and captured by the
song's lyrics about a revolution.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
What's the difference between a revolution and a civil war?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
A revolution is that the people are rising up. The
civil war is their sides clashing against each other.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah. Civil war is more organized.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know it is it is one side ORGANI.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, revolution is like, I think it's up to the
individual how to participate. Revolution speaks more to the business
of the mindset of a group of individuals. They're not
wearing uniforms.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, civil white. I mean, you don't have to wear
uniforms either, But it's it's it seems like it's a
you know, a side versus a side, you know, the
North versus the South, the red versus the blue. Uh,
it's it's it's you know, there are two opposing sides
in that revolution is people who are on the pretty
much the same page protesting a particular thing. At least

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that's what I think. I don't it is.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
It is individual too, like civil war implies just a
larger scale, like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, well, uh, I mean in her song and as
she talks about the tables being you know, finally turning,
but you know today it's it's I don't know. Uh,
it's true. But we're watching the dismantling of just of
democracy and plain sight right now, and we have to
take action to fight the current, like dive into this

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authoritarian rule. And so maybe it's right we do have
to start talking about a revolution. We have to, right,
we have to keep rising up. We have to rise up.
We have to protest and do things that you know,
badger our elected officials to do something and make some noise.
I mean, that's something that's just got to happen because

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right now, I don't know, I just don't know. Uh.
And there's work, there's a lot of work to be
done to keep our quote unquote republic from collapsing. I
don't even use democracy, I say republic.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
Uh, you know, to the democracy we have representative republic.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, right to the republic for which it stands. Okay,
well that's in some something I know about. But elections
have to be fair. Voting rights are crucial, and equal
rights are crucial. Checks and balances are slipping, I mean
really slipping, and they have to be put into place
again to keep the government running. Immigration is a crap show.

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Ice snatches people off the streets with little or no
to process I mean nothing. The EPA is rolling back
a generation's worth of rules meant to keep the air,
land and water clean. If we don't take care of
the environment, then nothing else will really matter. As breathing
is fundamental. Everybody you know breathing is fundamental. Environmental issues

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that need to be addressed are microplastics now, pesticides, pollution, population,
renewable energy, protecting forests and oceans and more. We are
a one use throwaway society and we need to reduce
we use recycle. We need to innovate, keep innovating. A
good place to start in terms of where you can

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kind of look is in your closet. Because people just
throw clothes away and instead of thinking of what they
can do to h give them away or donate or
you know, give them to places that work with clothing
and scraps and textiles, because it takes a very long
time for them to decompose in a landfilled So anyway,

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we're gonna delve into that topic, as well as other
topics and issues. Whether our resident eco activists, artist, astrologer, comic, marvelous,
marvelous mom, and a founder of House of Chocolate Chocolate
I never get that right. Chocolate uh, chocolate uh, And

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it's of course it's our wonderful Charlotte. You're c uh so, Charlotte. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
How goes it?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
You tell me you you had some you had a
big thing happened. We were on a break for for
August with you. Your daughter is now a freshman.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yes, but there's been so many things. I was like,
what is she actually talking about? For a minute, there.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
My daughter freshmen.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Both doubt But I want to I want to talk
to you a little bit about the business of revolution.
I think like if we look at history and in
the sixties and early seventies, when stuff was volatile and
there was so much uh, you know, pushback with equal rights,
you know, for women in my minorities, and just the

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egregious crazy Vietnam War, there is much more need. And
today I just think I don't think people are lazy,
but I think they're comfortable. And I think it is
extremely hard to light fire under people's butts, to get
them motivated and hit the to really start a revolution

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where it's more than just volatile protests with cock cars
being let on fire and things can actually be done.
You know. I feel like we're like kind of having
to sit tight, you know what I mean. Like I
definitely am somebody that would be more proactive if I

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actually knew where to go and what to do and
all I know personally, And let me just finish my
sentence real quick as somebody that makes less than thirty
thousand dollars a year and participates in going to you know,
food pantries and I don't apply for assistance anywhere. I

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get by just by the skin of my teeth. All
the time, I am hard pressed to not waste my
time and my precious resources the few that I do have,
and I need to protect myself and my family. And
I see what is going on, and I'm like, well,
how do we get how do people get motivated when
they're comfortable? Even somebody like me, I'm very comfortable, it's

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hard to get me to go like, yeah, I believe
that that really sucks.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right until until it hits you in the face. And
if you're not following the news to see what's crumbling
around you in terms of the checks and balances disappearing,
which is the basis, you know, of our country. That
was the founders found that, you know, it was very
important to lay that groundwork, and now it is not
happening because they did not foresee what was going to

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possibly happen with what's going on today.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
With the question that I had, we were talking about
revolution or a civil war. Can you have a civil
war revolution without violence? Yeah? Gandhi, well can we have
like civil disobedience?

Speaker 4 (11:57):
That is a question, you know, Yeah, that is the question.
Can I go out there and not get murdered? I mean,
I guess I just have to be ready to die
for the cause. You know.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's that's something that's really in a lot of people's minds.
You know, people are wondering now because what's going on
is you know, we have this kind of secret police
in a way.

Speaker 8 (12:21):
Yeah, what the National Guard or the army or marines,
would they really open up fire when a push comes
to a shove. Would they shoot at the po at
the population?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
And Kent State they did? They killed four Kent State.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Kent State.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, four college kids were killed. Because that's what happened.
They've been fire on them. You don't think that can
happen again.

Speaker 8 (12:47):
But you're still looking at a very I mean, it's
a shame for the four students, but you're looking for
four people. Yeah, a lot of a lot of innocent
people will be killed. But can we do what Gandhi did?
Can we do civil disobedience? And thousands of people not
do something and to be even to.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Be arrested, Charlotte, you seem to have I'm looking at
you and she's like, what you know.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
My hands are open and I am asking every day
and I am not doing a fists clench help, I
am doing open handed. I'm watching the universe and it
just seems like retaliation is an important thing in American minds.

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Americans like to retaliate. Trump is like a perfect example
of that, and until like he's kind of out of office.
You know, it seems like the thing is sadly, people
are just like live through this, you know, live through it? People,
you know, how do you live through it? How do
you live through it?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Okay? How do you live through it all? You know?
Today we're taping it's nine to eleven. It's twenty four
year anniversary terrorist attack exactly, terrorist attack on the World
Trade Center, on the US on the Pentagon, the airlines,
in the airline in Pennsylvania. And I was downtown two

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days ago in the area and I had an appointment,
and I had a little time, and I went over
to see Ground zero and the memorial there. And because
I lost my neighbor around the block for me, Lewis Ingleterra,
And it took me twenty four years to have the

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courage to go over there to look a because I
was so still sick to my stomach, and I'm like this,
there's almost three thousand people's names engraved around that memorial
in that pool, and so I fair, how am I
going to find him? I want to see it. I
want to see what's going on. Don't you know? You

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could walk in in many different areas of that park.
The particular entrance I walked into. I walked to the
to where the wall is there. You know, it's a
small thing, and I looked down and I see his name.
It was like Lewis was little. He was guiding me
there from wherever he might be because literally thousands of

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people are I mean, and it goes around you know,
have you been there? Yeah? So you know, so I'm
like that I was able to literally walk straight to
where he was from the way I went in just
made me cry. I am glad I had my sunglasses
because I was like, I was like, what, you know that.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
That is truly an amazing experience. I've had similar experiences
with the death of a loved one.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Right, so I yeah, So I was like and then
you know, I went I looked around. I went then
to the firehouse where you know, hundreds of firemen put
their life, you know, they lost their lives and and
police and know because that that firehouse is literally right there,
it's in ground zero. And uh. Again, I just you know,

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thinking about what what and where I was that day,
uh and and what transpired and what happened when we
were kind of looking you know, our neighbors when one
in particular was was looking every day for Lewis to
see if he was still around, and I helped a
little bit take care of his Then.

Speaker 8 (16:32):
Due did did they ever find his body?

Speaker 7 (16:36):
I do not know, nor do I wast of people.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Who I don't know. They're still actually doing forensics now
because they got much better at it, and now apparently
I saw an article today that they are trying to
identify more at this point.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Oh that's good. I was he working at the World.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes he was.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
What was he doing? Was?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I think he was some in finance. I forgot it
was a big friend. They lost a lot of people
in there.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
There was one firm. I had a lot of friends
that worked there. I lived fifteen blocks away and I
just had had my brand new baby. I had a
seven month old baby boy. And weirdly enough, the day
before my ex husband and I went down there and
we had bought a video camera and I was like
going to make a little documentary about women in their

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work lives or something I don't know, just like start filming,
and it just so happened that we lived on Canal
between Canal and Hester on Ludlow street, so it was
fifteen blocks away and I put the television on and
it was just before the second tower fell down, and

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I was videotaping. As I was looking at the television,
I lost my mind. I was like, wow, that's a
big hole. First it didn't register that the other tower
was gone. I said, man, that's going to be awful
to scaffold because I'm a painting contractor and we do,

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you know, repairs. And I ran up to the roof
with my camera and I thought I was had it rolling,
but I didn't because I was in shock. And this
great plume of unbelievably dark red smoke that you could
touch seemed to just be one block away and it

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was covering the south end of the island, going to Brooklyn,
and I was like, oh my god, I've got to
change my clothes. I wonder who else knows about this.
It seemed like a neighborhood event. And I didn't make
any phone calls. I was like, I've got to change
my outfit. So I changed my clothes to be, you know, versatile,

(18:59):
so I could leave the apartment. Because I was like,
if the wind starts blowing from the south, it's going
to come straight over my apartment. This is terrible. And
then at that minute my ex husband came in the
door and he just burst into tears and he said,
the train stopped and we were stuck for twenty minutes.
And he worked at twenty third Street and Flattern District,

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and he got out of the train and went to work,
and his boss, who came from Tribeca, who was literally
like a block away, said, you know, they canceled school
and you can just go home. And so Mike walked
down sixth Avenue and saw so many people jumping, and
at that point the towers had come down all the

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way the second.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, it was, it was, Yeah. I had friends down
there who saw people go out. Literally. I mean, I mean,
I can't even imagine. I can't imagine watching that that close.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
And well, I live on television. I'm in Los Angeles.
But this was a time actually coincides with my anniversary,
waiting anniversary, and I was getting dressed, you know, to
go out, and we were talking about where we're going
that night, and all of a sudden, they see the
I didn't see the first plane that got in there,
but they were talking about it, and I said, oh,

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that must have been because we're near all those airports.
I think it was an accident because nobody really knew.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
I thought it was a helicopter.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I thought it was a small plane.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
Plane, but they said they thought it was possibly an accident.
Then I saw the second plane coming in and the
incouradulous voice in the air. Another plane is coming in
and hitting the building. Then we knew, right, I know.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
It took me the whole day to realize that it
was a terror attack. And we just walked around videotaped
everybody and Lower Manhattan, and it was weird because having
a brand new baby, it was very much like people
wanted to hold my kid and I wouldn't let go
of my kid. I was just holding him, holding him.
Don't dare touch my baby. And we went to the

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playground and all these parents from Battery Park City came
up to our playground and we all hung out with
our little toddler infants, and we were like, what are
you going to do today? Oh? I don't know. We
can't actually leave, We'll have to walk, you know. And
it was very weird. Delancey Street had a giant exodus

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of people just covered in soot, leaving Lower Manhattan, and
I luckily didn't know anybody but one person that died,
because I had so many friends from meetings that worked
there who oddly didn't go to work because it was
primary day and it was a beautiful day.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that happened that the couple of people didn't go
into work, like you know, a couple of my when
somebody knew their friend, their daughter who was like you know, uh,
newly starting work somehow didn't go in that day. If
she had gone in, that would have been it.

Speaker 8 (22:18):
Well, that contributed to a lot of conspiracy theories. You know,
there's certain groups of people that didn't go in. Oh
they knew it.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Someone Oh yeah, right, I'm sure they knew it. I'm
sure you can tell by looking at the videodulous.

Speaker 8 (22:32):
Also, you know, you thought, okay, it took two florats
out or three floras out. Fine, you know, you can
accept that as an accident. But then when the buildings.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Collapsed, it's commercial.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
It was sort of unbelieved.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Is so small and it was literally covering blocks and
blocks and blocks with just dust and debris. And at
the end of the day, I actually was very well
acquainted with the fire department I had created a series
of smoke filled burning buildings in nineteen ninety six, and
I rode around on the rig with one of my

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friend's engine twelve latter three on twenty third Street and
Mickey Cross, My dear firefighter friend is still alive. He
was actually pulled out at the end of the day
on September eleventh, and he was in such shock that
they were told just let him do what he wants.

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So do you know what he did? For the ensuing weeks.
He walked around the site and stayed at work, and
he would pass out over in a safe spot and
people would bring him sandwiches and food, and he just
worked round the clock for a few weeks. And then
he finally went home. And then when I saw him,

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he didn't even look like he was in his body.
I ran into him a week later and he said,
come down to the site with me, and I said,
I will. I really want to, but it took me
a long time to get up the courage to go down.
I would visit it with my son and the stroller.
Almost every day. I walk down the perimeter and I
would just look at it from the sidewalk, but going

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into the site was a different story because there was
a very weird odor.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Does anybody remember it was a smell of death. There
was a smell when I went down two weeks later
my brother. You know, I was going to go down
to the into city and to work, and then my
husband stopped me. He goes, something's going on. There's a
report that that's something at the World Trade Center. And

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then there was a plane or something. And then something
happened with the second thing. And he goes, and I
was off going to go to Metro North and he goes,
you ain't going nowhere, and then you know it was
like he obviously didn't go in. And then we were
concerned about my He was in school and we had
I'm in the burbs and we had a drive. You know,
we we wanted to get him and we you know,

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it was a big thing because the school didn't want
anyone picking their kids up. But you know, my husband said,
he goes to my kid, I'm getting my kid. I'm
going in. You want to arrest me, feel free, I'm
getting my son out. I'm going home. And then school,
he was in school, he was just in high school.
He was just starting high school. This was in Chappaquah.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Oh, I see, yeah, up in the up in the burbs.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Uh and uh.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, so everybody probably let their kids out.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
There, you know. Well, no, a lot of people did go,
but then they they didn't know what to do at first, like,
how do you what if it is you know, the
thing is near the school. The Clintons lived nearby, and
and you don't know what someone's going to try to do,
you know, I mean, you don't know where this was

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all going.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
And they didn't know what would happen then.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
And we know what was so weird is that my
perception was that I knew immediately when my husband, my
ex husband, came in the door and he burst into tears.
I was he said, I withdrew all our money in
case we have to leave. And I said, oh, that's great. Well,
I just changed my clothes and I got Malcolm ready,
we got the diaper bag. Let's hit the road. Let's

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go ahead and hit the streets. And I knew. I
was like, you know, nothing else is going to happen today.
That was the end of it, right right, and now
we have to figure out how to pick up the pieces.
But I'll tell you the worst part was that going
to bed that night. We actually had the good fortune
of having my ex father in law had an apartment
in the West Village. He taught at NYU, and we

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would spend the night there for like a few next
few weeks and you know, bring back, you know, have
to show idea to get back to the apartment to
feed the cat and stuff. But at the end of
the day that first day, we both felt like we
had been beaten up, like punches blown to the body.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, everywhere, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Charge it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, we were just we were at the break. But
we were thinking where we could go if we needed
to leave. And I was thinking, you know, my friends
live upstate in you know, Canadaigua, in the Syracuse Rochester area.
I was thinking of my cousins that live in Rhode Island.
I'm like, where I can drive, where I can need

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to get away, And and you just literally you just
didn't know your body, as you said, you were just
in shock pretty much. But you know, we wanted to
talk about a lot of the things. I don't I'm
glad we did this though, I'm really glad.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
That I didn't have any desire to leave I was saying.
I was like, I'm going to stay and help out.
That's what I did.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, we we just thinking, you know, scenarios right, like
you had scenarios too, So of course we we didn't leave.
But it was very scary.

Speaker 8 (28:03):
It was very from New York, right. I was calling
all my friends and relatives.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that my brothers, my whole family in LA was coming.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Where were you?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Where are you right? It was like it was like
and my brother's screaming at lists, going you don't let
her near the train. He goes, don't worry. The train
is not running. No one's going anywhere the train.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Anybody. For the full day, it took me two days
to get anybody on the phone.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
It was like when there was whenever there's an earthquake here, yeah,
people call, okay, are you okay?

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Are you safe?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, we've had some earthquakes here. Anyway, we hit the
brake like five minutes ago. So uh, we will be
back with more with Charlotte R. C Uh. We were
talking about nine to eleven. We'll see where we go
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I just want to mention before we get off nine
to eleven that you did paintings and they were in
a museum.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Can you just briefly, Oh, I'm essentially in the nine
to eleven National nine to eleven Memorial and Museum, and
I participated in a twentieth anniversary show. I was picked
out of the four hundred five hundred plus artists one artist.
They picked me to be in this show up in Torrington,

(30:43):
Connecticut two years ago, four years ago. Geez, I no
time flies when you're busy. Time flies when you're busy.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Time flight.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
So anyway, so these paintings were all about the debris
and they're made from news clippings and they're very large scales.
So I had sold one to the Dacooning family, and
Lisa Dacooning bought one before she passed in twenty twelve.
She bought one in twenty three. She's very young when
she died, the daughter Villain Dacooning, the abstract expressionist painter.

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And so that was like a feather in my cap.
That was interesting. But then the rest of the collection,
except for four paintings, went to the National nine to
eleven Memorial and Museum at the site and online, and
so I don't know how they display it. They probably
put it online, but you can also look at it

(31:38):
at their registry online. And then the physical paintings are
in the New York State Museum in Albany, where I
was born.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Oddly enough, make the round, it goes in a circle
around right circle. So we got to check out your paintings.
Maybe give me the link or some information I could
put it on the blog.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Well, it's on how of Choklut at House of Choklut
c h O c l e T is my Instagram
and I just posted one.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Today, okay, good?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
And then from there, you can look at my website.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Great, all right, people, go there, go there. We'll get you. Well,
we'll give you info on the website. So we got
right into nine to eleven and didn't leave for quite
a while. We didn't get our shade of green in,
so we're gonna get our shade of green in AnyWho. Uh,
and we also want to talk about your upcoming show

(32:33):
in New York. So let's do green shade and then
do the show.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
This is my shade of green. It's Kelly green with
a little bit of mustard sauce, and it's an Eagles
T shirt. I love the Eagles. I love their their
vintage logos.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's cool, you're a phil Eagles fan.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
But I also like the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Only because my boyfriend is a crazy, rabid Eagles and
I can say that because that is absolutely the case.
He takes it personally when they lose.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I know I have friends who take the Bills games.
The Bills had a crazy game. They were losing by
like fifteen points with like I don't know, less than
eight minutes, and they wound up winning the game with
they tie. I don't know if it was tied or a.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Last section field goal, a last second field goal.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Literally last second. It was literally the last second and
the guy gets a thirty two yard field goal and
they win. It was the odds were like ninety nine
to one against that happening. I mean, I mean that
they were like it was insane. And I saw the
clips after. I have a I have a Bill's jersey.
They're the only team that plays in New York. Jets

(33:49):
and Giants don't, so to them. That's what I have
to say.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
So Jets in the Jersey, Giants.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I know, well that's where they play. They don't play
in New York. Is still in New York last time
I checked. So not Canada, you know, not Candid. It's close,
but not Canada.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
I've never been to Buffalo, even though.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I've been to Buffalo, I've been there definitely. Anyway, you know,
you get those wings, the wings, the Buffalo wings, and
the Buffalo's Wings sauce is from there too. That's where
it was made. That's where, uh, there's one company that
made that. Anyway. So also, you're doing a show this

(34:31):
weekend that I'm going to get to see in NYC. Baby,
can you a little a little you know, run down, Well.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
The fun celebration or could I say mitzvah you know,
why not? It's mitzvah, go for it is. I'm celebrating
my sixty fifth stand up performance on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
What it is is it's slightly a competition and it's
actually an open mic. But it's very bizarre because you
have to enlist people to show up, physically, pay tickets
to sit there, and your spot is five minutes, so
it's a tight five minutes. So essentially I'm bringing, you know,

(35:19):
the current event in my brain and the the funniest
bit that day, I guess, And I don't have any
plans for it. I am just going to wing it
when I get there.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Wing in Buffalo, Yeah, wing it.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
And it's exciting. It's a hosting.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Where is it? Where is it?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Just going to say? It is organized by this person
named Rich Brooks who runs the lineup at the New
York City Broadway Comedy Club on fifty third between eighth
and ninth Avenue, and so he's got shows going all
the time, so he said, bring five people and you

(36:01):
can perform. So it's a little under the gun. And
I think I found out today that I have five people,
but I'm going to go for more because you know,
stuff happens, go for more, go for more. I need
to go for more than that. So I'm just really elated.
And the whole business of women's issues. I'm bringing the

(36:25):
women's issues like tissues.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Good.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Okay, really elated about this performance because really big time
people are coming to see me. You are coming to
see me, ta best time, You're big time. And TiO Lesson,
who is a filmmaker is coming. She's a good friend
of mine from college. And unbelievably, the woman has been
a nominated Academy Award winning uh documentarian and she should

(36:53):
be on your show because she's.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Got so much great coach, So hook me up, man.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Yeah, yeah, well I'm going to try to get more.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Ear I'm going to meet her. I'll bring my card.
I'll bring my card.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yes, she will. She will want to talk to you,
and she'll want to do business with you because she's
doing business constantly.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
She's like, it's good, good.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
So she's coming. And then some compatriots from Ithaca who
are performers are driving down in my rented audie and
I am so excited.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Oh you.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Oh video, it will be website, video everything.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
I could take a look at her.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Oh yeah, you know, I have plenty of really great
performances I could send you where there's tons of laughing
going on at the same time in the audience too.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Over going to open mics, it is often a very
tough crowd of only comedians. But this crowd, it's promised
that it will be packed. It's promised it's a great
costs cross section of New Yorkers, which those are my people.
I want to perform for them.

Speaker 8 (38:02):
So well, the hardest thing to do is uh, you know,
someone to say, make me laugh, right, It's okay, be funny.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Comedy is it is hard.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
And the secret is this, Malcolm. The secret is this.
You go up there with your own agenda for you
and you can't care if people laugh. You gotta let
it go.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
I mean to me, I'm saying, yeah, comedy, That's what
I'm saying. Well, it's not jokes.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
It is never for me. I tell stories. I have
three one I have three one liners. I'm bringing them all.
But that's not the reason why I want to do comedy.
I like to tell stories, and women aren't like that.
There are a lot of women. And one thing that
I noticed, particularly initially was in comedy, people always talk

(39:03):
about sex, and I was like, I don't really want
to do that, but I'll tell you what I do
because I can't help it. And that grabs people's attention,
because when you're talking about something as primal as sex,
people are like what WHOA no way? And I listened

(39:24):
today to a comedian who's from Ithaca. She's thirty four
years old, much younger than me, Jordan Jensen. She is brilliant,
she is nonstar talking about it, and I was like,
holy crap, she is brilliant.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
There are a lot of things I say on television
at a time with people.

Speaker 8 (39:44):
There are a lot more female comedians who are talking
about sex today today than never was like a number
of years ago. But now everything is open.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Well, this is the funny thing. It's an attention grabber.
When you were talking about the juice of existence, you
are talking, you're grabbing people's attention. So it is easy
to riff on that. But some people are absolutely brilliant
with it and it was completely inoffensive. Jordan Jensen. Her
performance was magical. I'm not that kind of a comedian

(40:19):
that wants to go on and on about that. I
talk a lot about criminals. That's my area.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Criminals. Oh my god, you're a criminal.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Criminal.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
You can talk about criminals.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Because you've got to see this show.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there.
So I don't know how we went from the seriousness
of nine to eleven element to comedy and and now
we have to kind of touch on something environmental before
we have to peace.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Out, which might be the polymers.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, so we have to talk about did you want
to do the clothing or polymer? Which one do you
want to go to?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
So let's touch on clothing really quickly.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, we are going to have to be it's going
to have to be quick at this point.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I like the idea that there was
a survey in twenty twenty one that found that only
fourteen percent of most people are Only fourteen percent of
most people's closets are what they wear, right, so fourteen
percent of your wardrobe. And I thought, well, that is

(41:24):
just kind of egregious, but it makes sense because of
the booming fashion industry and how many billions of items
and people get seduced. And I mean, I'll tell you
what I am on a non shopping spree. I shop
in my closet.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's a good place to shotop.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I don't shop. I have not bought anything in months,
and I'm doing very well.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I don't buy much either. I had to buy stuff
for the wedding, which by the way, went beautifully.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
My son oh, yes, happy mother in law.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yes, I have a beautiful daughter in law and my
son is actually married woo, and they're on their honeymoon.
They have a great time. They're about to hit Uh
there are the leg of the Chip, which is a
Safari out in Tanzania. So it should be I can't
wait to.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Get and congratulations to you, because that's no fall feed
to pull together a wedding and keep it cool.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, there were moments, but mostly the weather was picture perfect,
and uh, the whole affair was fantastic, and it was just,
you know, in this craziness, we were talking about the
insanity of everything, you know, where where we need some joy,
we need some joy. So anyway, just quickly back to

(42:40):
the clothing issue here. There's every year the world produces
over one hundred billion billion, one hundred billion items of clothing.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah, we don't need we can clothe the earth like
eighty times.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's easy. And the US alone has one hundred million
tons of textiles end up in landfills and they don't
break down very quickly. That's the problem. So if you're
doing throwing clothes away, that is a big problem because
a lot of it doesn't break down.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
It's I mean, people's habits really need to change. I
know that there's a reuse center in Ithaca, and well
there's a booming thrift environment here. There's so many thrift
stores and goodwills and stuff, so almost nobody needs to
shop at the regular stores. And so that's really cool.
But the main thing is what do they do they

(43:36):
I think that an alternative could be turned into insulation
and put it into building materials. I think that is
actually one solution that there is a thing.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Some things are doing that.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
And then I have used a fabric cement for my
garage floor is very lightweight and very durable, right, you know,
and they use fabric, they break down the fabric. I
think that's pretty cool, but you know, I think it's habits.
People's habits. They need to change what they do. And
it also there was mentioned that many of the large

(44:09):
retailers take clothing back. It doesn't have to be that brand, right.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I mean, there's there's a lot. You know, donating is
important if if it's in good condition, you know, and
shopping at you know, the vintage stores. I got my
dress for the wedding in a vintage store and it
was it was navy, and it was made beautifully and

(44:35):
the material you don't find it was gorgeous. My mom
would be looking down going because she always used to
go to vintage in secondhand stores and stuff. So the
fact that I'm like I was totally vintaged out and
it was luckily, got a lot of compliments. But there
are things you know, you can do to take action to.

(44:57):
If your closet is only fourteen percent used, what are
you doing with the other.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
I mean, I know that I wear more than fourteen percent,
but I'm an unusual person and I don't shop like
every other American. But also House of Chocolette the clothes
that is. The concept is to prevent clothes from reaching
the landfill, right, and you know, in a small, small, tiny,
little scale, it works.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I just want to give a shout out to a
company an organization that I've had them on fab scrap
fab sc r ap dot or oh really, they go
beyond waste. They uncover our potential and every scrap of
fabric to create something beautiful and meaningful. They reuse it,
and they are challenging the fashion industry to embrace this

(45:46):
transparent process that keep fabric accessible and in the hands
of creators and out of landfills. This is there, it
says about them, This is that section, and it says
we're driven by a tangible impact, ensuring that actions resonate
far beyond the fabrics we touched, because they know that
choices we make today shape the world. And it's important

(46:06):
because they get stuff that's overages and leftovers and they're
able to use all this. But if you go to
their site babscrap dot org can get all the information to.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Check them outited.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
You you you will like it. They have. They're in
Philadelphia and I think they're still in They might be
in Brooklyn now I think they moved, but they they've
been around for a bit and they're doing, you know,
really good work.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
That is so cool. Good to know you.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
All right, So in the ten we've got we got it.
We didn't do anything at all about astrology. I don't
know what else you want to quickly talk about.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Well we could, uh, I mean the astrology won't take
more than two minutes. But let's touch about this. Fishing
nets and carpets can be recycled molecularly thanks to a
genius chemist and brand new catalyst, says the Good News Network.
So that really cool. I thought that was brilliant. That's
also probably an extension of what how clothing could be

(47:05):
broken down ultimately, you know, because some of the same
materials are yous. But I thought it was cool. It
said what did it say exactly? It said a compound
called utrium and lanthenness lanth and I.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I can't even yeah, I can't. It's even like.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
You heat up the fishing net, you heat up the
polymer equation of the fishing net or whatever it is,
the carpet to ninety nine degrees, and then you add
in these ions and it breaks it all down to
its original, its original building blocks, right. So I mean

(47:49):
that means that plastic originally was going out on a limb.
What what was it? It's it's a oil, right, it's
oil based, it's it's oil from right, So that is
an interesting thing. And that kind of relates to that

(48:09):
Japanese I was gonna say architect that Japanese.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Scientists or physicists or something, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Who figured out the machine that can break it all
back down and turn it back into fuel oil. So
I feel like they should they should meet.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
They should meet up somewhere, you know, they should. Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
That solves such a huge amount of planetary troubles right there,
you know, reducing and there are no harmful byproducts in
this process. And that's a little bit like the plastic
that dissolves in the ocean, you.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Know, yeah, and the salt water within a half hour.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
That's that's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Well, this this was in the Good News Network and
it was like these team, the team of chemists from
Northwestern University. That's why it's so important that we have
the universities have money to do research and don't strut
me on that. But and they and this plastic, you know,
this complex plastic polymers you said, which is fishing nets,

(49:13):
and the method that there's you know, because this is
a source of ocean pollution. Uh. And also the fish getting.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Yeah, so deer.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
From getting well, well, so many, so many creatures in
the ocean get stuck in this. Now, that's no. I mean,
it's it's just there's so much plastic in our society
that it's there's there's more and more articles about it

(49:45):
every day, about every plastics and it, and it's the
gamut of places, and try try to live without something
plastic for one day. There was an article in Atlantic magazine.
This author tried to do that, right, you know, I
have here this is my Brooklyn roasting company, and it
said I got mugged in Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
My plastic sippy cups.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I've literally gotten rid of almost all my plastic in
terms of any kinds of cups. Everything now is glass.
I won't buy any like Seltzer. Now, I don't even
go near anything plastic I buy. It's costing me more money,
but I'm getting glass.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
It's just like you back in the seventies, I was like, no,
the drinking fountain man, just yeah, well we used to
hit the drinking fountain. Yeah, we used to do that
drinking fountain.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
We used We used to have a drinking fountain, I mean,
and all the kids drinking fountains. I mean, now I
think the starting to get back to that a little bit.
But you know, I don't know. I just don't know,
all right, So let's do some September astrology, all right, so.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
We both of September twenty twenty five. The colors for
all Virgos yellow, beige, silver, white, gray, black, and orange.
That just reminds me of a retro kind of couch
or living room. And so this is the month of
the analog delay and it's slow, the freak down month. Okay,

(51:23):
mars Is and Libra, it's a good time to just
sit and chat. So we will start with Virgo. Sit
back and enjoy your success a little bit. Mercury and
the sun both in Virgo and the tent house. Time
to get some real success, for sure, Libra, mars Is
and Libra, so ask for help and you'll get it.

(51:45):
This has been true for me. I'm a Libra, you're
a Libra. Yeah, I know, yep, yep. And people are
too comfortable right now, yes, okay, So Scorpio permission to
hide and reexperience some past incarnation. So scorpios need to
go deep and collect themselves. And it's very funny because

(52:06):
I've got a lot of scorpios, so I've been kind
of wanting to hide, but then I'm social and then
I really want to go hide for six hours, and
it's very funny.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I want to hide for eight hours.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Tagetarius. Yeah, Vegetarius.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Wait, that's Neil. Neil Sagittarius. Neil Sagittarius. Niel's back there.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Sagetarius is coming up with loads of great ideas. They're
one thing is they need a lot of exercise, so
like hit the court, watch the aggression. They're also coming
up with really good ideas. So whatever ideas you have
coming up right now, write them.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Down, Neil, write them down.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Tabricorn in the second house, civil war versus Revolution.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
That's what I write for really, that was.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah, that was our topic before. But what is what
you get with them? And so they are, you know,
having just gone through Pluto in Capricorn, they are feeling
very satisfied with who they have been and they are
enjoying some sit back and watch everybody mess themselves up mods.

(53:17):
Isn't that terrible?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
So Pluto and Pluto and Aquarius Aquarius in the third house,
they are there to do some representing. And I'm picturing
all the Aquariuses who are out there who cannot shut up.
They are just out there with like the agenda. They

(53:39):
need to listen a little bit more, but they can't
help it. They're powerless. They need to talk about it,
whatever it is that they feel the injustice is. And
they're right, you know, most of the time. Pisces Saturn
and the north node in Pisces in the fourth house,
it is a very good time to stay home and

(54:01):
build the old chrone. Anybody with a lot of water
in their chart, it's a very good time to dive deep,
go very deep, and be with yourself and your family
and tend to your inner needs. Aries is inspired yet
troubled dreaming and making plans, but also they can get

(54:22):
into trouble really easily. They have to be very careful
to check their motives all the time. Taurus. The moon
is in Taurus today and I was just talking about that.
It's one of those times that Neil and I were discussing, like,
oh gosh, what kind of day of today. There's just
a lot of things and a lot of stuff coming

(54:42):
up and nothing really energetically, like, it's a lot of
I told you so energy today, and so it's really
good to keep it into in the what you see
is what you get area tomorrow it's going into Gemini,
which will be really good for me. Yeah. So the

(55:02):
seventh House has Gemini communicating great big rush, and that
is true. There's a lot of sparkling conversations coming up
over the next few days, and I hope I'm part
of one of them. If you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Uranus just went into Gemini. So Gemini is Anybody with
a lot of Gemini will feel like kind of like
they're getting a shove from the universe. It'll be a
physical experience. Okay. The deep dive for cancer is in
the House eighth House rules Death and Rebirth. Jupiter is

(55:47):
up there. Anybody with a lot of cancer can explore
getting money from other people. They may be in the
space where they end up having to make funeral arrangements
because cancer is the beginning and the end of life.
They may be thinking about having a baby. I think

(56:07):
Tracy Chapman also is probably a cancer I have to
look up her chart. The type of voice she has
really points to that. Okay, and Leo Venus is and
Leo in the ninth House with the son in Leo,
you are here to teach and talk. That's me also,

(56:28):
but also walk your talk, so slow it down, dial
it down, be a power of an example. And that's
all I got for this month, a month of September.
Thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Thank you so much. I did did write my governor
and representatives their week this week, and so I was
trying to walk the walk on that one. And we'll
see where all of that goes so quickly, where people
can get info about you, and then we have to
peace out.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
All right, Well, it's always House of Choclet C H
O C L e T dot com and at House
of Choclet and you can find me. I still am
on X because I feel like I'm a spy over there.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I got off. I couldn't deal with.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
It sexy astrology and I haven't posted much lately, but
I will be soon. And then please come to the
Broadway Comedy Club on Saturday, and it'll be a lot
of fun the shows at four pm.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Okay, we will have that info out as well, and
I can't wait to see you and in person, not
just ZOOMI. So I'm gonna have to say thank you
for joining us for the minister, Thank you and thanks
for being Charlotte for being so great and I appreciate it.
And for more info and shows go to Hudson River

(57:51):
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(58:12):
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