Takin' It to the Streets w/ George Polisner

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hudson River Radio dot Com.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello out there in this great, wonderful world that we're
living in. Some of it's beautiful and some of it
is crazy. But I'm Maxine Margot Rubin and hello along
with Malcolm Berman, who's my co host, And this is
the Many Shades of Green, our program that adds a
dash of green into your life. As we engage in

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conversations that move to inform, educate, activate, and raise your
eco and social consciousness through culture, politics, music, arts, books,
science and community, we hope to inspire you to picacheted
green and become a steward of this beautiful, blue green
planet we call Earth. So Hi George out in Portugal,

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how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And thanks thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I love having you every month. I look forward to
the convos because you're like awesome. And Hi Neil, who's
also awesome just back there in the studio and and
so welcome to the Minishues of Green. We're gonna start
with the song that kept going into my brain because
of the No Kings protests last weekend and people took

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to the streets. So with that we're gonna have a
little listen to taking it to the streets. Michael McDonald
and the Doobie Brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
You don't know me almost wasted is blooming? You don't
know my Cody? Welly, soon the time will.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
You telling me the things about to me? I'm not
I don't know God was taking it to street no money?
Who take this message to my bro you will find

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him were rob people.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Party? Spell me.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
For me?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, that's I love that song. And it's so apropos.
As I said, the the first stanza of that is
you don't know me, but I'm your brother. I was
raised here in this living hell. You don't know my
kind in your world? Fairly soon the time will tell.
I mean, you can go through the lyrics a little more.

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And it's so apropos. So we are taking it to
the streets because we're mad as hell. But you have
to be mad as hell, because if we're not mad
as hell, I don't know where we're all gonna land up.
Not in a good place. Millions of people protested in
every state in the United States for No King's Day.

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Citizens are fed up with the current regime. In Washington,
d C. We are witnessing the dismantling of democracy as
the rule of law is slip sliding away. Hi, thank
you Paul for that one. And it's Paul Simon, not McCartney.
In this case, we have the Marines and the National
Guards stationed yet stationed in Los Angeles, and it seems

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like every time a court gives a ruling that is positive,
the higher court dismissed the gains Scotus, which is supposed
to protect the rule of law, is instead bending to
a would be king of their making. The No King's
protest has given me a slight bit of hope. But
this administration has been on taking rights away and using
henchmen to disappear people off the streets. What are we

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going to do? What is the endgame? We have to
continue to push back. We have to sue, we have
to take to the streets, we have to take action.
We have to do whatever we can to speak up,
speak out and not let this happen. Remember the election.
When they go low, well, when they go low, we
go high. But unless you are living in an alternate universe,

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there is not much lower we can go. So where
where are we? And only the high we have left
is the premiere cush at the local cannabis dispensary so
how to add that in there, because my brain is
floating on another planet these days. As you all can
tell by this intro, we must protect the environment, protect

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you process, and we truly have to defend life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness. Find happiness where you can. People.
George Paulisner, founder of civ dot Works and our resident
political analysts, eco activists and more and curmudgeon of course,
is going to have give us some important info on
the state of what the heck's going on. Also we're

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going to touch on the UN Ocean Conference, the same
washing of the news by the media which just continues,
plus the targeting of immigrants, judges, politicians, and more. There's
just so much to go through. We'll see where we land,
of course, George, we never know how far we go.
So George, welcome to the many shades of Green and

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just bringing you in from out in Portugal. Way what's
going on Shade of Green? Give us a little info there.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well, it's great to be here. It's challenging to be
here because I know you always like to at least
have some positive stories, and it's getting harder and harder
to find them. And I'm in the midst of writing
the three SE's of the Apocalypse, which is essentially climate
conflict and concentration of wealth, and so trying to pick

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a positive story out of all this is challenging. But
you know, first, first of all, I know we like
to start with the color my color, despite the fact
that there were really tremendous protests and it's so important
that people are taking to the streets, that that is
happening in a consistent way, and the protests are not

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starting to drop off. The protests are actually gaining momentum,
even though this administration has deployed a lethal force into
a major US city without any request coming from the
governor and without any issues being reported by law enforcement.

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And so it's it's a troubling time. And so my
color is still darkness. Uh, it's the it's the great
void until this idiocracy ends. But I wanted to share
with you just briefly because it is June teenth, juneteenth today,

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and so I wanted to wanted to celebrate that. And
a very good friend of mine, who's the director of
California Donor Table, who does tremendous work in California organizing
politically and supporting great candidates provided a quote I had,
I had another quote, and then this this came out,

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and so I asked him if I could share it.
And the quote is that each time black folk and
an increased set of other oppressed folk one rights, they
were rolled back and redemptions. A variety of thinkers and
many others posit that the South may have lost the
military battles of the Civil War, but they won many

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of the policy and political battles of it since and
we can see that we're still fighting the Civil War today.
So when I think of commemorating Juneteenth, I don't think
of it as the start of anything or the end
of anything, but a time to celebrate what can be
accomplished when people fight like health for justice. And that
was from Ludovic Blaine, the director of California Donor Table,

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who's just a tremendous organizer and resource for really good
candidates committed to a quality democracy and justice in the
state of California.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Philosophically, I don't feel that there's to anything a beginning
or an end. It's all in transition. If something you know,
whether we have a Trump and will be trans into
something else after Trump. It might take ten years, it
may take fifteen years, who the hell knows, same way
as with you in Europe, with Hitler, and with Italy

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or in Japan. It transitions. It doesn't state. Life is
not static.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
That's I think that that's a joke of the universe
that the only thing you can really count on is
that things change for sure. Although I don't find much
universal humor in what is happening now. I mean, when
you think about it, the United States is really supposed

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to be taking a leading role for the rest of
the world in terms of democracy, justice, equality, and human rights,
and that has clearly not been the case. I think
it's always certainly been aspirational, regardless of who's been president.
But we have taken major steps back by electing what

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I considered to be a criminal elect and a cabal
and not a cabinet or political organization.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, there's there's, you know, a lot that we can
be saying about what's going on and where the end
game is is always my question and ask to you, Malcolm, Yeah,
we get, we get, we managed to get through it.
But I have never you know, observed or lived through
something like this.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Yeah, well this is worse I've seen the United States
and what's happening.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
You know, I just never thought I would live through
something like this and trying to get the word out, trying,
you know, I would. I was going with Georgia, say,
we got to hit some you know, greener thing, some something.
I just I do want to talk about the UN
Ocean Conference. I want to talk about something that that's
coming down the you know, with the show is bent

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on you know, originally or not many shades of green
as in but green could be money, green could be
different things. You don't have to necessarily equate it with environment,
although I have. But you know, we we had the
show I worked on on on Air America. Originally it
was called Green America. But then the guy who's the

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host was a finance guy. But he's trying to do
green finance and and he we had to change the
name because the Mark Green and his brother took over
Air America had no idea how to run a radio station,
but they didn't want us to use Green America as
the title of the show.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
This green can also mean envy.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, let's let's face it. I mean, to your point,
it can't it certainly I mean green can green could
mean a whole lot of a lot of things. But
I mean, the reality is, if we don't have an environment,
if we don't have a healthy environment, we don't have
uh and protect the climate, the climate systems. We have
one home. This is it. This is a This is

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a blue dot life raft in space, orbiting in the sun.
And the universe is expanding, but our little pale blue
dot is not. And we're slowly killing.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It, I know. And you know looking at it from
from the universe to us is we're tiny and no
one knows. I mean what we have no idea if
there's life anywhere in other galaxies, anywhere else, and this
think we're here now. The art that was spinning is
spinning rock. It's a spinning rock, is what it is.
And just think there's a spinning rock we're spinning in space.

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That can blow your mind right there, especially if you
get that good cush you know.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, I don't know, well, I mean, the reality is
somebody could be watching us from ten thousand light years
away wondering is there intelligent life somewhere in the universe.
They may have spotted us and gone nope, not there, right.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Right, right right, that's the theme in that movie The
Day There still Michael Rene.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Well, well he said, uh, you know, at the end
of it, he said, we couldn't care what you did,
you know, to your own planet. Yeah, you want to
destroy yourself and have war as fines. But now you're
coming into out of space and you're missing around with
uh aud. So if you continue the way you're doing,
we're going to destroy you.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Well, well, if they're if they're watching SpaceX launches flow
up in Texas, I don't think they have to worry
about us coming into space anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, he's been off, he's been off the radar for
a while. We think he's in rehab. I mean.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
He should be now after after today's attempt. I don't know,
but we should weld. We should get on with the oceans,
because I mean, when you think about I mean, certainly
the ocean is a resource, but it's incredibly important in
terms of supporting life. And the UN has continued in

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spite of all of the global challenges and rising tensions.
The UN has done a very good job in convening
nations and at least even if the nations aren't committing
the appropriate amount of funding or the appropriate amount of
action or complying with agreements. Convening all of these sovereign

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nations and getting more visibility to some of these issues
and trying to continue to establish some sort of global
cooperation and collaboration is going to be vital if we
are going to get passed where we are at today.
And so the UN had just convened an Ocean's Conference,

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and you know, aside from the fact that oceans are tremendous,
I mean I had the benefit of living on the
Oregon coast for a while, just pristine, beautiful, rough oceans
watching way as breaching and just amazing stuff. They're vital
for life on Earth. They provide a significant amount I

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think over half of the oxygen that we still need
to breathe. They regulate the global climate, They provide food
and create jobs for the fishing industry, and drive the
cycle of water ins in terms of the evaporation that

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fuels global rainfall. And so the oceans are incredibly important.
And so I thought providing a little extra visibility to
the conference that just concluded in Nice was certainly a
good thing to do, and there were some good things
that came out of the meeting. There were sixty heads

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of state and fifteen thousand delegates that included a lot
of non governmental organizations, scientists, youth, and indigenous groups. And
they've reached a number of ratification thresholds for ocean protection,
moratoriums on deep sea mining and trawling, with probably a

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notable exception of the United States a commitment to protect
thirty percent of the oceans by twenty thirty. It's known
as the thirty by thirty goal. And there were announcements
in terms of finance and support public financial institutions supporting

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funds to tackle the issue with plastic pollution, and funds
allocated for coastal resilience and ways to effectively deal with
the rising sea levels being caused by climate change. There
were a lot of in terms of a positive story.
It's good to note in the midst of all of
the things that were seen unfold in what is rapidly

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becoming a tyrannical, dystopian United States, the rest of the
world is continuing to work together and trying to solve
and address these important problems for our future, and as.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Well as aside from the US, who else disagreed with
them or didn't sign.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well, I mean, what there are one hundred and ninety countries,
So I mean I don't.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
I don't think the major ones with Russia, parts with.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Ch You know, well, I don't. There were sixty heads
of state that were there, and because they neared a
ratification threshold, that means that the number of countries that
are important for effectively reaching some sort of agreement were represented.
And so I don't know. I mean where China and

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the United States and Russia basically gained most of their
attention is when war is right. Yeah, I mean basically
when there's a conflict and condemning horrific events. Either Russia
is vetoing something in the United States, is vet doing something,

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or are these days probably working together on stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I still think there's a major Russian tie with this guy.
But just quickly, well, I just want to read something
about the pertaining to the thirty thirty and then we
can kind of move. I guess unless you're says we
can't enter our way to thirty by thirty, we must race,

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said Enrik Sala, a marine ecologist and founder of National
Geographics Pristine CES project, which works with local communities to
protect marine ecosystems, he said, and I quote, we need
to establish eighty five new marine protected areas daily to
achieve this goal. He said in the statement, you know

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in the final hours of the conference that it is imperative.
It is you know, it has to be done to
save the oceans. And when I keep I mentioned this
from time to time. When I was in Hilton Head,
South Carolina last year, and I went into the water,
the water had to be over ninety degrees. I was
never in such warm water in my life. It was

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like I could have went into a hot tub and
had the same I've never been I and my son
and I were like really spooked about it, you know,
we were spooked. And then we thought maybe because it
was so hot, maybe there's some sharks or something coming around,
you know. We don't We didn't know, and it was
just too surreal to be in water that that warmth.

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That was well.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Let When I was speaking to you earlier in the day,
you were talking about the weather forecast and what might
happen and where you were, Yeah, we're going to.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Be tornado, Well, tornado, We're on tornado watch, We're on
severe thunderstorm watch. We're on you know, Betton down the hatches, baby,
you know, you know, So that's that's what's going on.
And uh, yet the n O A A has been
reduced to like, you know nothing, and and and FEMA
is like gone with the wind. Very good, you know,

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ha ha, very good. And and so as you can
all tell, I'm losing a day. But anyway, they had.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
The clock at the point of no return when it's.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
It's the doomsday clock. Uh. And that actually is part
of the article that I'm working on right now.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Where where where are we in the doomsday clock?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Uh, We're We're not in a good place. I know that.
One week after after Trump's inauguration, Uh, it actually ticked
closer to midnight.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
And so as a matter of fact, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's just getting getting close. People. We won't have to
wait the billion years till the oxygen leaves the Yeah,
that was a thing also, But believe it or not,
I hate to say this, George, we're at the break.
So so Part two is gonna be more of what
you wanted to, you know, speak of in terms of
us what's happening. So, uh, we'll talk about the state

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of things, plus a lot of other things causing the
state of things, So uh, please stay tuned. We'll be
back with George Paulisner and more of the show after
this break.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Hudson River Radio dot com.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
This is Hudson River Radio dot com.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
This is Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Hudson
River Radio dot com.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
And we are back with George Paulisner talking about various things.
We hit a little bit on environment this time, and
now we're going to get in some more policy issues
and other issues or issues that make everyone kind of
want to vomit right now. That's the I mean, that's
a shaded green. You know, we can talk about. But

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but you know, at this point, I just I wanted
to just read it. I read a quote by one
of the congresswomen in the US Congress in the House
and her name is Senator Alissa Slotkin, and she said
this to the Congress. She said, and she was actually
pointing also to the dams as much as the Republicans.

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She goes, go back home and look for your balls
while we do the talking, meaning the women, because they're
not doing anything. They're just just not doing anything. They're
just taking it and just leaving it. And that's that's
a big problem. So when the take in and leave
it world or the take it world that's taken it

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to the streets, we have we have something well ice
which a lot of people know, and they're taking people,
they're disappearing people, and it is horrendous and outrageous. So George,
can you give us a bit about what your take
is on what's going on?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, thank you, Maxine. I mean, when when you think
about Trump's first administration and what I characterized this as
first crime wave, he was really very very supportive and
advocating policies like family separations and encourage deportations then and

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was doing all that he could and ordering all that
could be done to create more hell for refugees that
were often fleeing violence and poverty, often that was created
by US foreign policy or history in Latin America and

(25:15):
Central America, and so along with propaganda outlets like Fox News,
he painted this picture that immigrants, refugees, people of color,
were drug dealers, were violent criminals. The Democrats had opened

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southern borders and were allowing all of these people to
flow in. And the people that he was talking about
must have been very industrious because they were not only
on apparently on welfare, but they were also taking American jobs,
paying taxes, and working as drug dealers and everything else.

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I mean, you know, these folks must have been incredibly industrialists,
industrious to be doing all of these things. And so
as he ran against the first Biden and then Harris
in twenty twenty four, he was running on the concept
of mass deportations. We're going to get rid of all

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of these people that have entered the United States illegally
and are here free loading but also working and taking
our jobs, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to anybody
that follows basic logic. But his base was fired up saying, yeah,
you know, let's get rid of these people. As a

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matter of fact, I think at some of the rallies
and conventions people had mass deportation signs and were yelling
and excited and happy. But what's interesting that's happened. And Maxine,
I know that you'd mentioned that you actually observe some
of this in your own community. That suddenly the targets

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of Trump's vitriol, his hate speech, his words, his actions
suddenly have faces and stories, and local communities are not happy.
And it doesn't matter whether they voted for Trump or
didn't vote for Trump or voted for Harris. There's a
lot of there's a lot of deep concern because suddenly

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these people are people, their moms and dads, their sons
and daughters, their dreamers, their kids that came here, that
have no other country, that are they're being scooped up
on the street by unmarked vans, masked so called pseudo

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law enforcement, which are acting very much like secret police.
I mean, it really is nineteen thirties Germany with some
of the state sponsored all them state sponsored kidnappings and disappearances.
These are all things that are not anywhere part of
what the concept of America is supposed to be. I mean,

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you know, we're supposed to pledge allegiance to the concept
the flag of America, which is supposed to represent give
us you're tired, give us your poor, this is a
country where you can come and work hard and have
opportunities at a better life. And so anyways, we're seeing

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political violence. The assassinations that occurred in Minnesota of Minnesota
State Representative Melissa Hartman and her husband were shot and killed.
State Senator John Hoffman and his wife, you vet were
shot multiple times. You vet jumped on her daughter to
shield her from bullets that were flying. We've seen the

(28:55):
arrests of Congressional Representative La Monica mc ivor now has
been indicted by Alina Haba, US attorney Alina Habba, trump appointee,
who used to be one of I think Jeff Tiedrich
called her one of Trump's parking garage lawyers. UHU and

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the Newark Mayor Ros Baraco was arrested uh the New
York City Controller Brad Lander was taken into arrested, taken
into custody. Uh and Alex Badilla, a US Senator from California, a.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
US senator and control of New York. And in addition,
all these people who we are in those communities that
now people are feeling like what the heck and they're
literally being they're disappearing, and they want them to places that.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
This morning they had a one of the new stations
had the cameras at the produce market intown.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
It was usually busy up to them are.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
I don't know, undocumented, but Latino and it's type of
thing and it was empty and the food was going
to waste.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Right, and I mean, they don't care. And a lot
of this is being directed by Steven Miller, who is
an advisor to Trump. And I mean he's just I mean,
I don't know how else to put it. He really
missed his time. He really belonged in nineteen thirt dys Germany.
But anyway, some of the stories are remarkable when you

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hear them, and a good friend who is an attorney
in New York shared this story. Caroline Dias gun Clubs
was nineteen years old. She was stopped by Masa County,
Colorado police officers a couple of weeks ago for following
a semi trailer too closely, and police officers let her

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go after the stop, but then she was stopped by
Immigration officers just a few miles away because the police
working with ICE alerted ICE and she was then taken
into custody, transferred to a detention facility in Aurora, and
then she's now in custody in Denver. She arrived in
the United States when she was seven years old, so

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that was twelve years ago. She remained here after her
parents overstayed their tourist visa, so she's she's been in
the United States since she was seven. This is pretty
much all she knows. She was enrolled in a nursing
program at the University of Utah. She was covered under
the Dreamer Act. She was a Dreamer, so she was

(31:42):
going through the formal process and had and the family
has appending asylum application, but due process is out the window.
I mean, you know, Christy Noome doesn't know what Habeas
corpus is. She thinks it's a horse at the you know,
in the fifth race. That's Anita Uh and uh and
you know, I mean, uh, it's really surprising that Trump

(32:05):
didn't you know, tweet or shart or whatever he does
on truth social you know, in all caps another another
major you know, criminal kingpen Is is now you know,
detained and arrested.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
I mean, these are these are yeah, I mean these
these are These are people with stories.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
They are Americans that are contributing to the society. This
was a person that was doing everything she was supposed
to do uh in college to uh to provide medical
services and healthcare students to other Americans. And so you know,
people like Maria Asidro, she's a pastor's wife. She was

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deported after thirty years in the United States. She was
detained again a couple of weeks ago in Florida. She
was deported Leak a week later despite filing legal petitions,
and the family in the entire community criticized her treatment.
She was shackled, denied medication. And these stories and these

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are just a couple of the hundreds of stories. And
when you look at the statistics, because I do, and
I'm interested in terms of what's happening. Whereas Trump basically
said that he was just going to be going after these, yeah,
these major criminals. The recent analysis on internal ICE data

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that was released just three days ago found that over
seventy five percent, three out of every four ICE detainees
had no record other than a traffic violation. It is
absolutely disgusting. But as I said, as horrible and as
deplorable as this is, the interesting thing that's happening is

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local communities are starting to understand these are not drug kingpins.
These are moms and dads, people working in the community. Uh,
you know, trying to trying to have a better life
for themselves and actively supporting their community, paying taxes. Uh,
it's it's it's really horrific.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
As a matter of.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
Fact, I haven't heard any stories about criminals that were
picked up, you know, anyone that would rapist.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Or well, you know that there were there were dealers,
there were hundreds picked up that rioted and and participating
in violent insurrection on January sixth, twenty twenty one. But
they were all, you know, pardoned by Trump.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Because they're the ones disappearing people.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Now, yeah, yeah, I mean we don't know who.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
These people that. That's really more insane that they're even
allowed in the federal building without ID, without anything, and
they're they're dressed in in in fatigues, they're wearing masks
on their faces, and there's gonna be there's gonna be
there's federal buildings. I don't how are there people allowed
to be in those buildings.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
There's going to be a violent event, or multiple violent
events that happened for that very reason. Vaccine that somebody,
you know, you know, the n R tells us, you know,
the only thing that stops with a bad guy with
a gun is a good guy with the gun. And
so there is going to be something that happens with
these people because they're not identifying themselves, they're masked up,

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and who the heck knows. I mean, if there are
a group of armed robbers, if they're there to kill
a judge or if they're there conducting the actual business
of the federal government.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
But that has a flip side. As soon as that happens,
Trump will call that the National Guard. Oh, you know,
martial law.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's the whole that that's Miller's plan. Martial law. You'll
know what they're going to. That's where they're trying.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
To martial law in blue states, not in rent states.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think that because he has declared emergencies. Uh and
and they're obviously made up events. As a matter of fact,
when they've been in front in front of federal judges,
judges have said, you know, there is there's no emergency
here as a matter of fact. Uh. Brier, the federal
judge that initially ruled on the activation of National Garden California, said,

(36:18):
you know, the premise for this is that there's an emergency,
and so there is no emergency.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
So you know, they then the court, the Court of
Appeals said, you know, we gotta we gotta look at it.
I mean, what are you looking at? Guys, what are
you looking at? And I mean I know they have
to they want to make sure they come because it's
it's going to go to Supreme Court, either.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Two of the three judges looking at it or Trump appointees.

Speaker 7 (36:46):
I have.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
I have like relatives in New York or in Chicago,
and they say, New York is LA.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
How can you live in LA? Is it burning down?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's not burning down? When you I.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Mean literally, they take it. You know, if it wasn't
for Trump, the l A would be.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
That showed the map of LA, which is huge. It's huge.
LA is huge. And then they had a little tiny
dot where the Federal Building is is where all of
it was happening. And I showed that to somebody because
they go, it's burning I'm like, seriously, let me give
you an example. And I took out a plate and

(37:22):
I said, this plate is Los Angeles. And then I
took out a piece of something, some piece of a cucover,
whatever was, and I put it down and I said,
this is LA and this is where this is happening.
And it was like this big and I said, and
that's where it's happening. And I'm saying and furthermore, on

(37:44):
a certain network, they're running footage that's not new. They're
running footage that is from years ago or somewhere else.
With burning cars. I mean, there were a couple of
burning cars. There was looting in downtown area, which they
rested most of the people, they got them.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
But you know they're shooting journalists with rubber bullets.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I mean they shot the Australian reporter, they shot and
some other reporters. And you know those bullets are not
entirely they're not safe. You get hit at a closer range.
You can be.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
What you just described, what's what's happening, how big the
LA area is, what's happening that the riots reminds me of.
There's no riots, the riots in LA riots talking about
the big bad guys in Israel, the Israelis, how they're
taking there there, uh you know, doing uh they want

(38:44):
to take over all of uh you know, the Middle East,
and they show how little minute area they are.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Literally but I won't I don't want to go there anyway.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
But yeah, let's let's be clear. There are no riots
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
There's no riots. I mean, I don't who's I mean
aside from you know that network uh uh, I don't
know anywhere that's reporting riots.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
But see that they they are, They people are tuned
it rapidly tuned in, and they think the only reason
California has water is because Trump was the only one
that was smart enough to turn some valve up in
Canada that turned on water. And so you know, California, Oh,
thank you, thank you, President Trump. And so now he's

(39:37):
you know, saving California from these and he's deployed the Marines, uh,
the National Guard one thing, and they shouldn't be there.
They certainly shouldn't be activated. But the Marines are a
lethal fighting force. This is the force that you basically
deploy or yeah, yeah, and so and it is and

(39:58):
and I think to the earlier point, he is looking
for mechanisms to declare martial law. But thus far, every
one of his actions that are likely illegal and unconstitutional
have been preceded by an emergency declaration. So I don't
think he really cares. He's just gonna he's just going
to keep doing it wherever he can. He's vindictive, He's

(40:22):
going to continue to try to punish blue states any
way he can. He's fine if he provokes violence. He
doesn't care. And you know the big thing is going
to be are there going to be elections in twenty
twenty six?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Well, Neil is sitting in Rockland County right now. Rockland
might save the world at this point, where that they
found very inconsistent, you know, actual readouts of the the election,
where as Kirsten Gillibrand, who's our senator, got like seventy

(40:59):
nine percent of the vote votes, Kamala Harris got zero votes,
zero votes when they print it out, when you look
at what's print out, and Trump got all the five
hundred and seventy votes of everyone in that voting district
or something so insane thing, and it's happening in other

(41:20):
Rockland places now, it's also in areas in Colorado, and
now it's going to come out. It's and also in Pennsylvania,
it's going to come out. There's no statistically way that
he could have won seven states seven states.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
So here's here's the problem with that though, And they
did a masterful job basically talking about and being election
deniers in twenty twenty because now it makes any challenge
to the results look like, you know, you're just more
conspiracy theorists. So they established a stage. But even if

(41:55):
it is true, I mean, the question I would have,
Maxine is so what uh? And the reason that I
would say so what is is the Attorney General Pam
BONDI going to launch a deep investigation and uh, you know,
start start inditing people.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, but but if it gets at and people are
seeing what they're starting to see more with the immigration
issue and going, I mean there were I don't know
how many millions of people. Finally, you know the tab
of No King's protests. It's it's hitting. People are not
happy with any of this. So I don't know, We'll

(42:36):
see where it goes. But yet again I wondered what
what Musk was doing in Pittsburgh for two.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Weeks well based upon his launch lack of lunch success.
I don't know. I mean, these things can be done, right,
I mean I spent many years in a technology career
and I know it's not easy to do. Uh. And
there are audits, rails, uh and everything else. As a
matter of fact, I was having this discussion with somebody else,

(43:05):
uh about about how this can be done. And you know,
smart people can manipulate things. Uh. But but the reality
is you think about you can you can argue that
it happened or it didn't happen. You can look forensically
as to whether it happened or not. But by the
time you get done with all of that, even if

(43:27):
there's an an independent investigation, it's too late. I mean
by the time the forensics right and so yeah, and
so to me, the people in the streets, more and
more people, as Malcolm was just saying, I think there
were there were probably one hundred times more people actually

(43:48):
protesting in the streets then showed up for you know,
Toddler Trump's little birthday parade and so and so. People
in the streets. People in the streets are important. And
if if things continue to turn the way that they're turning,
there's going to have to be a general strike. I mean,

(44:10):
people that are not first responders are going to have
to say, you know, until uh, until we have a
new government. You know, we're refusing to make any more
money for Jeff Bezos, We're refusing to make any more
money for Peter Thiel. Uh and just stop everything. And

(44:30):
because that's the only when you think about what's happened,
it's the confluence of the billionaire class that's supporting Rump
in his policies because of the tax cuts and because
it makes them an incredible amount of money. Uh. And
the willfully ignorant that are manipulated through uh media and
media consolidation, things like Fox News, uh and so and so.

(44:56):
The only the only way to really address that in
a non violent way is to is to effectively go
after uh, effectively go after from an economic perspective, show
me the money. Uh.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Well, we kind of have to wrap. We got we
have to you know, we didn't get to talk about
the bbbb bbbb. I mean there's a lot of stuff
will have to hit up next time next month, so.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
So many other things to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I'm afraid. I mean, I'm I'm going out of the
country and moan if I'll get back in maybe I
should just stay out. I'll come for a visit anyway.
So where where can people get info about what you're doing?
Because you're doing good stuff?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Oh? Thanks Maxian best places as you you mentioned earlier,
civ dot works, c I V dot works uh and uh.
And from there people can access the civ works project
as well as a lot of my writing and articles. Uh.
And as I mentioned, I have one coming on on
the the three Cheery article called the three.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Well you're right on point on everything and you write beautifully.
So check out sive dot works and and and just
on substack right, yes.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yep, it's uh. The substack is Bombedia dot subsack dot com. Okay,
but it's but it's accessible through sub works Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
So you go through civ dot works you'll get everything.
So thank you uh for joining us, uh and thanks
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Speaker 3 (46:36):
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