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Hudson River Radio dot Com.
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Hello out there, podcasts, Land and Beyond, how Maxi Margar
Rubin along with my co host Malcolm Berman, and this
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become a steward of this beautiful, blue, green planet we
call Earth because it is actually gorgeous and we need
to save it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So Hi Malcolm and Hi George. Out there Portugal and welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We got Neil back in studio n who's gonna be
revving up our song, our intro song, which is born
in the U s A by the Boss Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
The first that took us Hifter, dog too Man a
lot to go.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
The US was.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
US USA to dog Till.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And that was the Boss Bruce Springsteen. And he's been
in the news of late as he bravely tells his
audiences what's going.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
On in America right now?
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He is not adverse to speaking his mind, and he
sees his country and democracy slipping away in plain sight.
He tells it like it is, with no holes barred.
During a White House Press briefing on May fifteenth of
this year, Caroline Levitt, White House Press Secretary, I have
to pause there, responded to Bruce Springsteen's criticism of President
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Trump by saying, Bruce Springsteen, you mean he calls himself
the boss, how about the employee? Because the boss is
the President Donald J.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Levitt's statement came after Springsteen publicly criticized Trump and his
administration during a concert in Manchester, England, calling them corrupt, incompetent,
and treasonous. Trump responded by calling Springsteen highly overrated and
a pushy of nooxist jerk.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This is America, people.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
One of the Boss's tunes, Born in the USA that
we just heard has become an American anthem. But it
is actually a commentary on war and the desperation of
returning veterans. The nineteen eighty four hit describes a Vietnam
War veteran who returns home to desperate circumstances and few options.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
If you listen only to a surgeon refrain. Though you
could mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It for an uncomplicated celebration of patriotism, you wouldn't be
the only one who thinks that. Bruce told radio hosts
Terry Gross in two thousand and five that the pride
was in the chorus in my songs.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The spiritual part, the whole part, is.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
In the choruses, the blues, and the daily realities are
in the details of the verses. Bruce started every show
about that time in the eighties, for sure, with a
bandana on and a cutoff shirt and fist pumping, And
it felt like celebration of being born in the USA
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was really defiant because it deserves he said, I was
born in the USA, and I deserve better than what
I'm getting. I think plenty of people didn't get what
it was about, and it behooves us to pay attention
to the lyrics of the verses, because Bruce's tunes give
you much more in the verse, even though the courses
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are so strong. So in current times, it's hard to
realize that we are in a dystopian times and on
the verge of authoritarian rule, if not already there.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
People want to hide and wake up. In twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
I know I do.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So there's much to talk about, and we are joined
by our resident political analysts, environmentalists, curmudgeon, and curmudgeon George Paulisner,
founder of CIEVED works to give us some insight and
help us break down what is happening in the US
of A and why we must get up and stand
up for our rights and find ways to counter what
is going on inside the current. Using the word regime
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in the White House.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Ball or regime is appropriate. Criminal organization is another term
that I like to.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Use it, But it's the scary part is that's the truth.
We're not just making that help. It is in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I keep saying, yeah, and then Bruce saw Ivery seeing
it in plain sight, and so on this episode, I
just want to bring the message out there. We're in
a fight for our democracy and people are standing up.
They are We need to spark the collective will of
the populace as we are in a war to save
our nation. George and I we were going back and
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forth in the email, and George responded to the email
I sent pretty much about that today, and he said
the collective will could only do so much to defend,
resist and delay. This Congress and criminal administration is hell
bent on destruction. It is important to begin each program
that we do with a reminder that anyone who cares
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is stressed to the max, to the me, and we
must take care of ourselves. We must and each other
until we can stop this madness. And then a parentheses
he put or it stops all of us, which really
got me, George, That one really really got me. So,
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I mean, where do we even start? What do we do?
We want people to fight back. There's so much going on.
You don't know if you had a racket in a
pick a ball court, you wouldn't know where to go
to stop. We'll get the ball. It's like, what do
you what do we do? Where do we go?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What? What's the question of it all?
Speaker 8 (07:21):
Well, in whole objective, he throws so much yeah out
there that you don't know what to attack.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Right, It's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
You don't know where where, where to start first, where
to look first, where to go first?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I mean, we have this this text, this text fraud
as you.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Put it, it passed two fifteen to two fourteen in
the night.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, they brought it out in middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's just unreal what this is doing and saying, I mean,
and we got to stand up to it.
Speaker 8 (07:55):
I want to know how come people could read it
thousand pages that fast?
Speaker 7 (08:03):
Well they can't. I mean, the legislators have staff and
they have mechanisms to review the bill, and I think
that they'd already suspected a large part of what had
been in there. The biggest issue, Malcolm, and I mean,
it just reminds me of democracy dies in darkness. It
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certainly is on life support at two in the morning
when nobody's watching. But the big issue with especially very
large reconciliation bills is giving the Congressional Budget Office, which
is a nonpartisan group of analysts, an opportunity to examine
the bill and look at what the economic impact is
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going to be and what is the impact on the
average American citizen. And so there is a variance of
of thought in terms of the analysis of the bill,
and we'll talk about that in a minute. But I
just wanted to say, you know, Bruce playing born in
the USA, I am so like politically tuned right now
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that as soon as I heard that song, I'm thinking, well,
you know, of course, a Supreme Court decision on birthright
citizenship exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean that that you know, they had a four
to four decision today about the the Charter religious Yeah, ay,
she she accused herself and and so it was four
to four.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It was four to four.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
I mean, I have to say, I am I gained
a little respect for her if she was actually recusing
herself for the for herself for the right reason, uh,
based upon her her personal her personal uh integration with
with with the Christian religion and religious faith. But I
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also worry that did she do it because she knew
that if it was a five to four majority opening
the door to this, if it would actually create a
significant backlash to religion in the United States. So at
this point in time, I'm very suspicious of any underlying
motive that any of these folks have. I mean, if
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it had been Alito or Thomas, I would have said, Okay,
well they're going to get a nice luxurious vacation out
of it from you know, Harlan Crowe or bar Seed
or Leonard Leo or something like that. But anyways, I
was happy to see her recuse herself in a situation.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, it's you don't know what this particular group you
don't know. You know, you're basically always thinking six to three,
six to three sixty three, and you don't know what
creeps into the brains that might say, hey, you got
to do something.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
This is like destroying this country. But I don't. I
don't see that that much.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Although they did come out with a few things of late,
but a couple of things, but they seem to be
ignoring them.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Well, what I want to what I want to do
is talk a little bit about this large GOP tax
fraud that just barely passed in the House and now
is on its way to the Senate. I want to
talk also about Trump's twenty twenty five spring bribery tour
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in the Middle East. I think it's important to understand
the deep well of corruption that he dove into. I
also want to talk a little bit about this unprecedented
weaponized DOJ. I mean, remember that the GOP House spent
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two years examining the weaponization of the Department of Justice,
and now the DOJ, under pam Bribe me BONDI has
effectively become the retribution legal arm of the Trump cabal.
And so you know, they talked about weaponization, Uh, because
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because the DOJ under Biden was actually going after criminals
and criminal behavior. Uh. This weaponization. They've arrested mayors, they've
arrested congressional representatives, they've arrested judges. I mean, it's absolutely
out of control. Uh. And then I also want to
talk just very briefly about you know, Trump's first hundred days.
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I know he likes to use the term promises made,
promises kept, and I've changed that just slightly to promises made,
nations betrayed, uh, to kind of keep with the cadence, and.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
We promises made, money made.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That that's it probably is the is the is the
one that is in the sights of these people. But
I also want I just I know there's a lot
to cover. If we get to all that, that would
be something. But I definitely want to cover because people.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Are lost right now.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
People are walking around more than half this country and
in a in a in a depressed stupor literally and
they you know, people are fighting back, but you're not
getting the coverage. That's the main you know, mainstream media
has completely dropped the ball, which is a whole other show.
You know, yeah, they're well, look at CBS News, you know,
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I think it's going away, you know at this point.
So let let's let's you know, we want to get
that in like steps, you know, what actions people can
take and do aside from taking value.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know, I don't want to promote drugs, but I'll
tell you it's we we need to. We need to, you.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Know, in the words of Bob Marley, you know, get up,
stand up, stand up for your rights. And and people
are coming out, people are protesting, people are using you know,
doing their civic duties by by going to these events.
June fourteenth is going to be massive.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
They're not sure what they're protesting against because there's.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So much well at this point, yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I think they're I think they're protesting against what is
very clearly a very corrupt authoritarian regime. Uh and so,
I I think that certainly they're to your point, Malcolm,
there's a whole array of things that are happening, you know,
the essentially the state sponsored kidnapping and human trafficking to
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El Salvador and Sudan, most recently ignoring the orders of
federal judges and the Supreme Court. Uh and so, but
these are these are all incredibly important things in and
of themselves, but they're all under the banner of a
effectively a corrupt authoritarian takeover of the United States system.
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And the United States system was founded on the thought
of a balance of power checks and balances between the
executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. And
so when the executive branch starts ignoring judicial orders, and
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one of the things, if we if we dive into
the GOP tax fraud, when there's a whole section in
that bill about eviscerating the power of federal judges. Uh,
and that's something that isn't getting a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
UH.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
There there is very very some very specific sections that
I do want to talk about. I do want to
talk about the good, and I do want to talk
about the things that people can do. Uh. And I
also want to talk about some of the things aside
from all of this this dystopian nightmare that's happening. The
climate is still an issue, and Noah still exists. I
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think they have one guy named Bernie left in like
their office in Kansas who's tracking everything. But you know
there are there. It's hurricane season and they've issued a
statement saying this season is going to be more active,
which makes sense in terms of the warming, the warming ocean,
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rising sea level and the fact that now we have
a government that is looking to drill and burn and
extract regardless of the consequences for future generation.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
So well, I think that to me, then that's the
number one issue because he could do anything he wants
with the government. But if we don't have an earth
to do it at a planet, and if you look
at the weather reports, I don't know, you know, when
I say the weather report around the world, what's happening,
I don't remember a time like this before. There's so
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many hurricanes, so many floods, so many fires.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Right, yeah, we're having it's it's it's it's important, Malcolm, absolutely,
and it's a factor in all of this. And there
are other very vital issues. But let me just say
that this government has basically taken the approach that they
can disappear people that are in the country legally uh
and traffic them to other countries.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
And to me, climate is an important issue. But for
anybody that has children, grandchildren, if you have people of
color in your family or neighborhood, people that you love,
your friends, that can just be you know, shuttled off
in a van. To me, that's a that is ah,
that is an immediate thing that we need to respond to.
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The climate is absolutely vital, and we can we can
do multiple things at once. Uh you knows, as I know,
as as Democrats, we're good at juggling and trying to
trying to take on some things in there. There are
people that are specializing in specific areas that are also
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going to be helping push back against really bad legislation
and policy that's emanating from this corrupt administration. And so
hopefully we'll get into all of that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, we'll see how far we get because you mentioned
a lot of things. So let's let's let's go with
what you want to first bring out, so folks listening
in and if they can't make the second half, we'll
hear it before we have to go to a break.
So let's start that off.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Well very briefly, because now I'm like a trained seal
at Marineland, Maxine is, my color continues to be darkness
until this dystopian, criminally corrupt madness ends.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
If it's a dark green you're saying, which is darkness.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
And generous darkness, darkness it's basically absorbing all light. And
then the quote that I thought was appropriate for our
time right now comes from Alexander Solzhanitson, who knows quite
a bit about tyranny and corruption, and he said, unlimited
power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty,
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and that is exactly where we're at today.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah it, You know, I shake my head and I
keep going like, what what is this?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
How can this keep going the way it's going? And
their endgame?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You know, well, how much power and money can you
have in sixteen yachts and seventeen islands. I mean, how
far do you go before you say that this is
pure evil?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
This is evil, This is cruelty.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A doctor was on one of the social media thing
sites and said, they literally, in his eyes, are killing
and want to kill people. So what what is this?
You know, where are we at in a society supposed
to be civil, isn't it? This isn't civil, This isn't
the GOP.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
This is not not.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The way it used to be anyway, you know, not
the way you'd be able to reach against, you know,
across the aisle and get things done. This is forceful,
you know, I'm going to bang you on your head
if you don't vote the way you're supposed to.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
So yeah, I'm reminder of Mahatma Gadny and Gandhi who
was asked what he thought about Western civilization and he said, well,
I think it might be a good idea someday.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Someday.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, okay, So where do we go from here then?
I mean where the Eastern cultures have a whole different
way of things, and we're just like, well.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
What you're You're absolutely right. I mean what we see
going on, the greed and avarice is a bottomless pit
which is leading to the suffering and death of people
that are most vulnerable people are on the world, people
having to deal with adaptation to changing climate, and so uh,
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it's a sickness. I mean, if if somebody died and
you went into their apartment and it was filled from
Florida ceiling with newspapers, you would say, God, there's something there.
Obviously was something horribly wrong with this person, and with
the person that you just described with Meggi, yachts, you know,
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twelve houses at private jets, all all of this stuff
and wealth. I'm not saying that wealth is a bad
thing I've heard. It's it's kind of nice, but you
get you get to a point where extreme wealth is
a sickness. It's no longer establishing a comfortable life for yourself,
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entertaining your friends, it is. It is a sickness. And
all of us and when I say all of us,
everybody else in the world that's not part of this point,
one of the one percent of folks like Elon Musk
and Jeff Bezos and Marian Adelson and Timothy Mellon, folks
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like that. If you're not part of that crowd, we're
just all video game objects to them. We're not real.
We're not. As a matter of fact, I think I
think that at one point in time, Elon Musk has
described people as nhi and somebody asked them, well, what
does that mean. He said, well, no humans involved. You know,
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we're just we're just objects on a screen. I mean,
and I've seen I've worked with people like that that
are mid level senior managers in the technology industry, and
you know, they don't have teams of employees. They have
cells in an Excel spreadsheet. That's what they have. And
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so when they decide I'm going to lay off ten
thousand people. The people is when they look at it,
it's just you know, numbers on a page.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, and this is happening more and more. And now
with AI, God knows what's going to happen there. They
just keep you know, Microsoft, I'm gonna lay off six thousand,
you know, or sixty thousand whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
How do you even comprehend that?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I mean, that's a whole nother show, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So so where so where are we at here?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I mean, how well, when we're talking about this cruelty
that's coming, it's the people like Elon Musk who put
pumped a lot of money into this criminal elect to
get him elected. If Musk invests one hundred million dollars,
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he knows he's going to get a twenty billion dollars
Starlink contract out of it. So for him, you know,
it's it's business.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's a good investment.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And So this GOP tax fraud or
the Big Beautiful Bill that is what Trump calls it,
it's essentially at the heart of it, it's an extension
of the tax cuts that he drove with the GOP
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in twenty seventeen. And what's really interesting is GOP theory.
I mean, it's always been the party of hypocrisy. GOP
theory is, you cut the taxes for wealthy in corporations,
you free up money. They're going to invest it and
grow the economy, and from that economic growth, you're going
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to be you're going to be able to mitigate any
kind of national debt or deficit that arises because you're
going to be able to collect more tax revenue even
though you're working at a lower percentage. Well, the reality is,
at the same time extending these tax cuts, which are
supposed to be great for growing the economy, they're basically
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going and saying, oh, by the way, we need we
need to increase the debt ceiling by four trillion dollars, right,
And so they know that this bill is a horrible bill,
is going to add more debt to you. You can
see that factored into the stock market already. People are very,
very concerned about the high level of debt in the
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United States and in order to essentially try to balance
some of the budgets, so instead of blowing a seven
trillion dollar hole into the budget, it's it's going to
be a four trillion dollar hole. They want to. They
want to. They want to kick several seven to thirteen
million people off of Medicaid, which for the impoverished, for vulnerable,
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it's their only access to healthcare other than going to
an emergency room. And so it's horrible in and of itself.
It's so it's getting people off of the off of healthcare. Now, Trump,
you know, the whole promises made and nation betrayed. Uh,
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he's he committed that there aren't going to be any
changes to Social Security or Medicare. Well, the reality. The
reality is Medicare runs into a statutory a statutory regulation
called PAGO, And what PAGO says is in a time
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in which the budget is running a large deficit, payments
are sequestered. And so there is thought that that over
a ten year period, this is going to cost about
five hundred billion dollars in Medicare, and which is exactly
what they want to do. They when I talk about they,
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I'm talking about the GOP. They want to privatize the system.
And so by cutting payments to doctors and providers of
healthcare and cutting five hundred billion dollars out of Medicare,
they're basically going to create longer wait times for seniors
to get in to see a doctor. They're going to
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create If more doctors leave the system because they can't
afford to have their pay constantly cut by GOP administrations,
they may leave Medicare altogether. A senior that maybe had
to drive or take mass transit five miles to a doctor,
maybe going twenty five or thirty miles to the nearest
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Medicare provider and waiting several months for an appointment. I mean,
it is and this is all to basically make sure
that Musk Deal Bezos, all of these, all of these
folks are paying less in taxes and so it's it's
it's pretty amazing, and.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's well is what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
There there's no you know you, if you anyone with
a quarter of a brain, has to realize that this
is a horrible situation and it can't stand. And I'm
hoping the Senate doesn't let this go through, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't trust you.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
At least, there's no way in hell that they sentence
is going to let this go through.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I've heard that before, not in this present form.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I again, there's I don't say never, never say never
with this, this this group here. Anyway, we're at we're
at the break, George and Melcolm. Uh, at least we
got we got something in So anyway, we'll be back
more with George Poulisnan to talk about I don't even
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know anymore, that there's just so much that is a
barrage of things hitting everyone.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
In the Let's try to be optimistic.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, I'm a I'm a cock eyed optimist.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
So please the next one where when four straight?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh yeah, okay, we'll see all right, We'll be back
after a quick break.
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Speaker 2 (30:33):
Uh So, you know, we we talk about judges as
being like a wall in this and a protector at
the judiciary seems to be like a place where.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Some things are going okay, you.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Know, the things are not being uh you know, judges
are making decisions that are are better than you know,
what we think, because he is like literally dominating the
judges now and before the break, I was saying, there
goes the judges and where there goes the judge? So
what so, George, what's going on with the judges and
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judiciary and also with you know, Congress and other personnel
being literally criminal charges being brought against the Congress people,
you know on certain things like by the DJ What
is going on?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
That's a good question. Uh So. The this big beautiful bill,
which is really related to terminating people from their health
coverage to get major texts continue major tax benefits to
the very wealthy, also has a section that you would
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think it was almost written by Trump's staff attorneys because
it's everything that he's complained about in terms of federal judges,
and federal judges aren't there to either rule for or
against Trump or policies emanating from his very corrupt cabinet.
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They're there to rule on matters of law. As a
matter of fact, Again, the founders of this country thought
checks and balances between the judiciary, the executive branch, and
the legislative branch were incredibly important, and they enshrine that
in our founding documents. But Trump, as you mentioned and
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Pam Bribe me Bondi, his attorney general, have run into
a lot of trouble with the federal courts when the
executive branch is attempted to exceed their authority or operate
in a way that is highly corrupt, illegal, or unconstitutional.
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And so parts of this big beautiful bill UH deal
with the federal courts and what what what Trump and
his advisors want to do. And Steven Miller might have
had a hand in this too, but the bill provides
provisions to remove the jurisdiction from federal courts over certain
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types of cases related to immigration, elections and executive orders.
That's how that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's like, I mean, we're talking about the rule of
law being literally turned upside down, and this guy and
Stephen Miller and all the other complicit clowns uh are are.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Are getting their way. It's not possible.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
It's not the rule of law being turned upside down.
It's the rule of law versus the rule of Trump.
Uh it is, you know, no kings, we we acted
a little impishly the last time the United States was
attempted to be ruled by a king, and now now
(34:10):
it's like a bad lunch has come back in the
form of this criminal elect But stripping the jurisdiction from
federal courts is one thing limiting nationwide injunctions. So if
a federal judge here's a matter in a particular federal
court and says, the government cannot do this, this is unconstitutional.
(34:31):
You can't kidnap people that are here in the country
legally and human traffic them to a black site somewhere
else in the world. What this does is it says, okay,
wherever that federal judge is, you can have that injunction there,
but it's not valid for the rest of the country. Right.
(34:53):
It targets what Trump and the DOJ consider to be
activist judges. And so these are judges that they deem
are exceeding their authority. And you know, I mean, from
Trump's perspective, any judge that rules against him or is
mean to him is exceeding their authority. So that could
be any any judge they want to undermine election oversight.
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So essentially, what it does is it restricts the federal
courts from reviewing state level election laws, even when those
election laws are in conflict with the Voting Rights Act
or the Constitution. And so in a place like Alabama,
according to this, if this bill passes, if Alabama says, hey,
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you know, pull taxes were a great idea, we're gonna
we're gonna throw that back into the into the waters,
the feds would have no federal court would have no
ability to impose any kind of ruling or restrictions on
state law. And then it also provides this is this
is probably the most horrible part, is it provides the
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ability to override court rulings retroactively. So if Trump was
unhappy with a decision that a judge made in twenty seventeen,
he can he can basically use his sharpie to cross
that decision out and do whatever he likes. And so
this is this is just a complaint.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
How how are they expecting to pull this off? But
considering their track record of pulling everything off, well, I
mean the possibility you could help.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
You're dealing with a Senate that rubber stamped. Uh. Probably
the worst, the worst, most incompetent, corrupt group of people. Uh,
you know, from the worldwide wrestling uh to uh you know,
a anti vaxxer in charge of health and Human Services.
(36:55):
It's it's and so I don't have much confidence in
this Senate to basically do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
It's idiocracy on steroids.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
If the movie is like Tame, the movie is tame
compared to what this is.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
It's idiocracy with a with a cruel filter applied. Because
idiocracy people were just dumb, right, But this is now,
let's go out our out of our way and make
people suffer.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
And they hide behind Christianity. They are religious and they're
doing the right things. So they just did you read
where they're now holding services on the Secretary of the Military. Yeah,
Defense is holding services want that Christian services once a month.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
They hide behind whatever is available to them to hide behind. Uh.
And they use religion just as they use uh, you know, race,
LGBTQ community, gun violence. They use all of these things
as as a tied behind in a mechanism to divide.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
There's three hundred plus million people in this country, one
hundred plus million who can vote because there's kids and
you know you can't.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
How and I'll use in God's name, is this okay?
And how far is this going to go before something cracks?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
And there's actually about two hundred million eligible voters two.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Hundred million okay whatever, I mean even and they all
didn't vote who are eligible, which is why one of
the reasons we're in this conundrum because they said, well
why should we vote?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
And uh it's but still, what what is the endgame
of this? What is going to stop this?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I mean he just continues to do whatever he wants
and gets away with everything, I mean everything. How did
the enticles of this beast go this far? I mean
how did we let this happen? And it wasn't overnight.
This has been you know, started decade in the in
decades ago.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
This is.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
Twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Oh no, no, it's more way longer than that.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
It started in August twenty third, nineteen seventy one, when
Lewis Powell released the Powell Memo that was largely implemented
by the Reagan administration in nineteen eighty. So this has
been bruined for forty five years. This is a This
is probably the slowest insurrection.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
In history, and it is an insurrection at this point
because I don't know how else to explain it. Decent people,
everyone's you know, their heads are spinning in a circle,
and we don't know what to do. You know, we
just you could protest, you could write letters, you can
go in you know. I mean Neil's friend was the
(39:57):
woman who was thrown out of my lawlers you know,
congressional you know meeting that he had, you know, the
community meeting, and she was was big news here in
Westchester that she was physically removed because she spoke out
against him.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
And I mean, this is what's happening.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
And then when you you know, you said that there
are people that are disappearing, There are students who write,
you know, op eds to other things in college papers disappearing.
There are you know, this podcaster was you know, came
back from Europe to Chicago and they brought him in
for questioning. And one of the things they asked them
is are you a Trump supporter? This is a US citizen,
(40:38):
a US citizen, And they're telling people if you're a
lawyer or a journalist, a scientist, you might have a
problem coming back in.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Well, a lot of scientists are leaving. I mean, just
as many scientists and there was a brain drain in
Germany in the nineteen thirties. There are scientists that are
very open to pursuing research elsewhere because they're not guided
by political principles. They're guided by the pursuit of knowledge
(41:07):
and science, and they don't want you know, some incompetent,
corrupt moron telling them, you know, they can't do this
or they can't implement any kind of diversity program. You know,
they want to they want to pursue science and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, I mean the fact that they have they're going
to stop vaccines, COVID nineteen vaccines for people who are
kind of in the middle. You're healthy, you're over eighteen,
and and you're not you can't get the vaccine. I
could get the vaccine, probably because you know, I'm over
(41:45):
sixty five and have a heart condition.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
My son in his thirties he has asthma.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
But I don't know if that will be able to
be able to get a shot now, which scares the
hell out of me. I mean, this is absurd. How
do you take away that right to you? If you
don't want to vaccine, fine, you have the right to
not have one, but if you want one, you should
have the right.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
To have one. How do they stop that?
Speaker 7 (42:11):
There's an opportunity here, uh that you know, you're you're
you're not looking at. There's an opportunity to get a
Trump autographed u V light and bleach uh for to
fight COVID and I think for feigunderd dollars. It comes
in a gold It comes in a beautiful appointed gold box,
(42:33):
a big beautiful box.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It's a big beautiful box.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And then it's gonna go with the big beautiful gold
you know shield over the country, which is another thing
that they're gonna spend zillions of dollars on.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
And we didn't even talk with we're talking about judges
issues that you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And then we have the infamous air guitar or cutter airplane.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
You know. Talk about parades, We're gonna have one, yeah,
I think June fourteenth, Yes, and that's celebrating the birthday.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, and we're going to have It's no King's Day
in America, So we'll see how the protests go. You know,
they're they're they're they're putting it out over social media,
so I think, uh, it's going to be jam packed.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
An interesting parade.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I can't. I don't ever. I mean this is like.
Speaker 8 (43:25):
We've never had a military parade, have we, aside from
when when the boys returned home from the Wars.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
I think I think that's basically been it. I mean,
we're happy to have the troops home, we're certainly not
happy to throw a big military party for somebody that
avoided service by running to his doctor and getting a
note because he had an awi he had an aUI
in a toe or something. Well, I mean that, yeah,
(43:55):
I mean it's just part part of uh, you know
what I was as I was thinking about this program,
uh and maxing what you were saying about Cutter's Fornert
million dollar gift, which apparently somehow is like the Statue
of Liberty.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Right, which is even more hysterical.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
I don't remember American president, you know, riding around on
the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
It was paid for actually new Yorkers paid a lot
for it as well.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
Actually New York. Yeah, the boy's he getting to keep
the plane after he leaves office.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
It's going to be donated through his library. He doesn't
even know how to read.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
It'll probably be an executive order, Malcolm. But but this
is this is just the flea on the tail of
the dog. This this old Warnert million dollar seven forty
seven that, by the way, Cutter tried to sell and
couldn't write because nobody wanted it. It's going to be
(44:59):
taken and it's going to cost taxpayers a billion dollars
to uh. The story being told is it has to
be fitted with all kinds of of uh satellite gear
and protection. But but they're gonna turn it. You know,
it's gonna be gold seats and a gold toilet and
you know. Uh. But also it's important to remember that
(45:23):
during his spring bribery tour, there are all kinds of
all kinds of business on the table related to the
development of real estate development projects involving Trump licensing uh
and so h. There are resorts, uh, golf and luxury
(45:44):
buildings uh and and and even more so, uh, this
was kind of a direct a direct corrupting benefit in
this world tour is uh. The u AE United Arab
Emirates UH invested two billion dollars into Trump's cryptocurrency scam business.
(46:06):
I mean, did I say scam?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
You said scam?
Speaker 7 (46:09):
Oh boy business? Yeah, coming for.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
You now, baby, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I don't think you're gonna be getting back if you
come here from Portugal. I don't know, might go my
way of El Salvador.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
I think it's just I think Pam buddy, Uh, she's
not going to take that twenty five thousand dollars check anymore.
I think her price has gone up.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's gone way up.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
But uh, it's it's it's just unbelievable. And and people
just you know, those who support him. I just I'm
not getting it because the majority of his supporters I'm
not rich folk, they're they're middle or you know, and
it just well, I mean, by logic at this point, it.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
Actually it actually doesn't because when you think about when
you think about people, and certainly not all of them,
I mean I think that there are absolute hardcore racists
as part of it and everything else, but I mean
a lot of these people have gone through generations of
hearing politicians on both sides saying we're gonna make things,
(47:18):
We're gonna make your life better, and they've seen the people.
They've seen their lives and their children's lives going in
opposite direction, and so it's generational economic despair. People are
people are angry and frustrated for legitimate reasons, but then
they watch Fox News who tells them and lies to
(47:39):
them that the reason that you're not doing better is
because of that person working in the agricultural fields under
hutsun in central California, not somebody like Elon Musk who
is ripping, you know, ripping all kinds of single source
contracts out of government, or folks that have accumulated hundreds
(48:02):
of billions of dollars multiple homes, yachts, has something to
do with them, And it has nothing to do with
tax and economic policies that encourage wealth concentration. It's all
because of you know, immigrants.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's one giant miss And I'm just going to say
move because I know we're getting near the rat.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So can you give us quickly the apocalypse?
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Moo?
Speaker 3 (48:27):
What is that about?
Speaker 7 (48:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (48:29):
And then we can and then we can head off
into the sunset.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
I well, you know, we always try to find something
good where we can, and it's getting harder and harder.
A huge program, but but you open with the fact
that it's really important. Everybody's under stretch, very thin, under
great anxiety. It's important to take care of one another.
It's important to call friends and say, hey, how are
(48:55):
you doing with all of this? And you know, out
in nature and do things. But the other thing that
we can do something about is climate. Now we're not
going to go out and shut a shovel and refinery down,
but what we can make decisions in our personal lives.
And I've always been very guarded about this in terms
(49:19):
of my own life, but I've been a vegetarian now
for twenty five years, and I have to say that
over the course of time, vegetarian meals, vegetarian cooking has
been has evolved so much that I crave you know,
(49:41):
different different vegetarian meals, and you know, think about tofurkey
and Thanksgiving and you know all of that stuff. Yeah mean,
but I mean the reality is that in terms of
shifting to vegetarianism or veganism, even if you do it
one day a week, if you basically say hey, we're
(50:03):
going to have meatless mondays or try to have a
vegan January or something like that. The reality is the
animal agriculture, raising animals for our food supply is responsible
for close to fifteen percent of global emissions. And so
(50:27):
that's a big number. And so if you're concerned for
your children, for your grandchildren, you're concerned about all of
these extreme weather events that are becoming more frequent and
more severe, you can help participate and help from a
personal perspective, contribute to reducing global emissions. In terms of water,
(50:53):
droughts and other conditions that are caused by a war,
a warming climate, producing one pound of beef requires eighteen
hundred gallons of water versus thirty nine gallons for a
pound of vegetables, and so saving water, saving a climate,
preventing deforestation, It reduces the use of fossil fuel in agriculture.
(51:18):
It minimizes this is something RFK Junior would like. It
minimizes antibiotic and hormone pollution that comes from an animal
food supply, and it really supports sustainable global food systems.
In terms of hunger, I know we probably don't have
any time left.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
But I definitely have no time.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
I definitely wanted to get apocalypse moved in there and
encourage people, you know, give it a try and persists
because it takes a little while to get those taste
buds to evolve, but it really will help the planet
and help future future generations will thank you for your
tofurky consumption.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
So well, I have to say is move meatless, mondays
and and and the methane is not coming out of
the rear end of the cows, coming out of the
front end of the cow. Uh, you know, the burpies
versus the parties. But anyway, we had to add some
some levity to this wonderful conversation.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
George, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Where could quickly people get get I know you're doing
great work with with what you're doing, so so where
can people get infost.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
It's it's always a pleasure, Maxine, and thanks to you
and and Malcolm and Neil Beck in the studio. If
folks visit cive dot works, civ dot works, and you
can go to cive dot work slash defend and we'll
give you ideas about organizations that you can help, things
you can do to protect your personal data. And privacy
(52:48):
from administrative This this Trump administration overreach UH and has
a lot of good information for folks.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
So cive dot works folks or sive dot works slash
defend just check it out because Chris George is doing
good things and we need that and we need people
to speak out, which is also what George and I
and Malcolm and Neil back there even does UH to
support that. You know what we need to do to
(53:17):
get through this. So thank you George, and thanks for
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to save it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So Hi Malcolm and Hi George. Out there Portugal and welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We got Neil back in studio n who's gonna be
revving up our song, our intro song, which is born
in the U s A by the Boss Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
The first that took us Hifter, dog too Man a
lot to go.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
The US was.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
US USA to dog Till.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And that was the Boss Bruce Springsteen. And he's been
in the news of late as he bravely tells his
audiences what's going.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
On in America right now?
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He is not adverse to speaking his mind, and he
sees his country and democracy slipping away in plain sight.
He tells it like it is, with no holes barred.
During a White House Press briefing on May fifteenth of
this year, Caroline Levitt, White House Press Secretary, I have
to pause there, responded to Bruce Springsteen's criticism of President
(03:08):
Trump by saying, Bruce Springsteen, you mean he calls himself
the boss, how about the employee? Because the boss is
the President Donald J.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Levitt's statement came after Springsteen publicly criticized Trump and his
administration during a concert in Manchester, England, calling them corrupt, incompetent,
and treasonous. Trump responded by calling Springsteen highly overrated and
a pushy of nooxist jerk.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This is America, people.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
One of the Boss's tunes, Born in the USA that
we just heard has become an American anthem. But it
is actually a commentary on war and the desperation of
returning veterans. The nineteen eighty four hit describes a Vietnam
War veteran who returns home to desperate circumstances and few options.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
If you listen only to a surgeon refrain. Though you
could mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It for an uncomplicated celebration of patriotism, you wouldn't be
the only one who thinks that. Bruce told radio hosts
Terry Gross in two thousand and five that the pride
was in the chorus in my songs.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The spiritual part, the whole part, is.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
In the choruses, the blues, and the daily realities are
in the details of the verses. Bruce started every show
about that time in the eighties, for sure, with a
bandana on and a cutoff shirt and fist pumping, And
it felt like celebration of being born in the USA
(04:41):
was really defiant because it deserves he said, I was
born in the USA, and I deserve better than what
I'm getting. I think plenty of people didn't get what
it was about, and it behooves us to pay attention
to the lyrics of the verses, because Bruce's tunes give
you much more in the verse, even though the courses
(05:03):
are so strong. So in current times, it's hard to
realize that we are in a dystopian times and on
the verge of authoritarian rule, if not already there.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
People want to hide and wake up. In twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
I know I do.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So there's much to talk about, and we are joined
by our resident political analysts, environmentalists, curmudgeon, and curmudgeon George Paulisner,
founder of CIEVED works to give us some insight and
help us break down what is happening in the US
of A and why we must get up and stand
up for our rights and find ways to counter what
is going on inside the current. Using the word regime
(05:43):
in the White House.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Ball or regime is appropriate. Criminal organization is another term
that I like to.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Use it, But it's the scary part is that's the truth.
We're not just making that help. It is in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I keep saying, yeah, and then Bruce saw Ivery seeing
it in plain sight, and so on this episode, I
just want to bring the message out there. We're in
a fight for our democracy and people are standing up.
They are We need to spark the collective will of
the populace as we are in a war to save
our nation. George and I we were going back and
(06:20):
forth in the email, and George responded to the email
I sent pretty much about that today, and he said
the collective will could only do so much to defend,
resist and delay. This Congress and criminal administration is hell
bent on destruction. It is important to begin each program
that we do with a reminder that anyone who cares
(06:42):
is stressed to the max, to the me, and we
must take care of ourselves. We must and each other
until we can stop this madness. And then a parentheses
he put or it stops all of us, which really
got me, George, That one really really got me. So,
(07:02):
I mean, where do we even start? What do we do?
We want people to fight back. There's so much going on.
You don't know if you had a racket in a
pick a ball court, you wouldn't know where to go
to stop. We'll get the ball. It's like, what do
you what do we do? Where do we go?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What? What's the question of it all?
Speaker 8 (07:21):
Well, in whole objective, he throws so much yeah out
there that you don't know what to attack.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Right, It's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
You don't know where where, where to start first, where
to look first, where to go first?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I mean, we have this this text, this text fraud
as you.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Put it, it passed two fifteen to two fourteen in
the night.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, they brought it out in middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's just unreal what this is doing and saying, I mean,
and we got to stand up to it.
Speaker 8 (07:55):
I want to know how come people could read it
thousand pages that fast?
Speaker 7 (08:03):
Well they can't. I mean, the legislators have staff and
they have mechanisms to review the bill, and I think
that they'd already suspected a large part of what had
been in there. The biggest issue, Malcolm, and I mean,
it just reminds me of democracy dies in darkness. It
(08:26):
certainly is on life support at two in the morning
when nobody's watching. But the big issue with especially very
large reconciliation bills is giving the Congressional Budget Office, which
is a nonpartisan group of analysts, an opportunity to examine
the bill and look at what the economic impact is
(08:49):
going to be and what is the impact on the
average American citizen. And so there is a variance of
of thought in terms of the analysis of the bill,
and we'll talk about that in a minute. But I
just wanted to say, you know, Bruce playing born in
the USA, I am so like politically tuned right now
(09:15):
that as soon as I heard that song, I'm thinking, well,
you know, of course, a Supreme Court decision on birthright
citizenship exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean that that you know, they had a four
to four decision today about the the Charter religious Yeah, ay,
she she accused herself and and so it was four
to four.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It was four to four.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
I mean, I have to say, I am I gained
a little respect for her if she was actually recusing
herself for the for herself for the right reason, uh,
based upon her her personal her personal uh integration with
with with the Christian religion and religious faith. But I
(10:00):
also worry that did she do it because she knew
that if it was a five to four majority opening
the door to this, if it would actually create a
significant backlash to religion in the United States. So at
this point in time, I'm very suspicious of any underlying
motive that any of these folks have. I mean, if
(10:23):
it had been Alito or Thomas, I would have said, Okay,
well they're going to get a nice luxurious vacation out
of it from you know, Harlan Crowe or bar Seed
or Leonard Leo or something like that. But anyways, I
was happy to see her recuse herself in a situation.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, it's you don't know what this particular group you
don't know. You know, you're basically always thinking six to three,
six to three sixty three, and you don't know what
creeps into the brains that might say, hey, you got
to do something.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
This is like destroying this country. But I don't. I
don't see that that much.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Although they did come out with a few things of late,
but a couple of things, but they seem to be
ignoring them.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Well, what I want to what I want to do
is talk a little bit about this large GOP tax
fraud that just barely passed in the House and now
is on its way to the Senate. I want to
talk also about Trump's twenty twenty five spring bribery tour
(11:31):
in the Middle East. I think it's important to understand
the deep well of corruption that he dove into. I
also want to talk a little bit about this unprecedented
weaponized DOJ. I mean, remember that the GOP House spent
(11:52):
two years examining the weaponization of the Department of Justice,
and now the DOJ, under pam Bribe me BONDI has
effectively become the retribution legal arm of the Trump cabal.
And so you know, they talked about weaponization, Uh, because
(12:15):
because the DOJ under Biden was actually going after criminals
and criminal behavior. Uh. This weaponization. They've arrested mayors, they've
arrested congressional representatives, they've arrested judges. I mean, it's absolutely
out of control. Uh. And then I also want to
talk just very briefly about you know, Trump's first hundred days.
(12:40):
I know he likes to use the term promises made,
promises kept, and I've changed that just slightly to promises made,
nations betrayed, uh, to kind of keep with the cadence, and.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
We promises made, money made.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That that's it probably is the is the is the
one that is in the sights of these people. But
I also want I just I know there's a lot
to cover. If we get to all that, that would
be something. But I definitely want to cover because people.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Are lost right now.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
People are walking around more than half this country and
in a in a in a depressed stupor literally and
they you know, people are fighting back, but you're not
getting the coverage. That's the main you know, mainstream media
has completely dropped the ball, which is a whole other show.
You know, yeah, they're well, look at CBS News, you know,
(13:38):
I think it's going away, you know at this point.
So let let's let's you know, we want to get
that in like steps, you know, what actions people can
take and do aside from taking value.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know, I don't want to promote drugs, but I'll
tell you it's we we need to. We need to, you.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Know, in the words of Bob Marley, you know, get up,
stand up, stand up for your rights. And and people
are coming out, people are protesting, people are using you know,
doing their civic duties by by going to these events.
June fourteenth is going to be massive.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
They're not sure what they're protesting against because there's.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So much well at this point, yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I think they're I think they're protesting against what is
very clearly a very corrupt authoritarian regime. Uh and so,
I I think that certainly they're to your point, Malcolm,
there's a whole array of things that are happening, you know,
the essentially the state sponsored kidnapping and human trafficking to
(14:43):
El Salvador and Sudan, most recently ignoring the orders of
federal judges and the Supreme Court. Uh and so, but
these are these are all incredibly important things in and
of themselves, but they're all under the banner of a
effectively a corrupt authoritarian takeover of the United States system.
(15:06):
And the United States system was founded on the thought
of a balance of power checks and balances between the
executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. And
so when the executive branch starts ignoring judicial orders, and
(15:27):
one of the things, if we if we dive into
the GOP tax fraud, when there's a whole section in
that bill about eviscerating the power of federal judges. Uh,
and that's something that isn't getting a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
UH.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
There there is very very some very specific sections that
I do want to talk about. I do want to
talk about the good, and I do want to talk
about the things that people can do. Uh. And I
also want to talk about some of the things aside
from all of this this dystopian nightmare that's happening. The
climate is still an issue, and Noah still exists. I
(16:07):
think they have one guy named Bernie left in like
their office in Kansas who's tracking everything. But you know
there are there. It's hurricane season and they've issued a
statement saying this season is going to be more active,
which makes sense in terms of the warming, the warming ocean,
(16:28):
rising sea level and the fact that now we have
a government that is looking to drill and burn and
extract regardless of the consequences for future generation.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
So well, I think that to me, then that's the
number one issue because he could do anything he wants
with the government. But if we don't have an earth
to do it at a planet, and if you look
at the weather reports, I don't know, you know, when
I say the weather report around the world, what's happening,
I don't remember a time like this before. There's so
(17:04):
many hurricanes, so many floods, so many fires.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Right, yeah, we're having it's it's it's it's important, Malcolm, absolutely,
and it's a factor in all of this. And there
are other very vital issues. But let me just say
that this government has basically taken the approach that they
can disappear people that are in the country legally uh
and traffic them to other countries.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
And to me, climate is an important issue. But for
anybody that has children, grandchildren, if you have people of
color in your family or neighborhood, people that you love,
your friends, that can just be you know, shuttled off
in a van. To me, that's a that is ah,
that is an immediate thing that we need to respond to.
(17:50):
The climate is absolutely vital, and we can we can
do multiple things at once. Uh you knows, as I know,
as as Democrats, we're good at juggling and trying to
trying to take on some things in there. There are
people that are specializing in specific areas that are also
(18:11):
going to be helping push back against really bad legislation
and policy that's emanating from this corrupt administration. And so
hopefully we'll get into all of that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, we'll see how far we get because you mentioned
a lot of things. So let's let's let's go with
what you want to first bring out, so folks listening
in and if they can't make the second half, we'll
hear it before we have to go to a break.
So let's start that off.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Well very briefly, because now I'm like a trained seal
at Marineland, Maxine is, my color continues to be darkness
until this dystopian, criminally corrupt madness ends.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
If it's a dark green you're saying, which is darkness.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
And generous darkness, darkness it's basically absorbing all light. And
then the quote that I thought was appropriate for our
time right now comes from Alexander Solzhanitson, who knows quite
a bit about tyranny and corruption, and he said, unlimited
power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty,
(19:19):
and that is exactly where we're at today.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah it, You know, I shake my head and I
keep going like, what what is this?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
How can this keep going the way it's going? And
their endgame?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You know, well, how much power and money can you
have in sixteen yachts and seventeen islands. I mean, how
far do you go before you say that this is
pure evil?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
This is evil, This is cruelty.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A doctor was on one of the social media thing
sites and said, they literally, in his eyes, are killing
and want to kill people. So what what is this?
You know, where are we at in a society supposed
to be civil, isn't it? This isn't civil, This isn't
the GOP.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
This is not not.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The way it used to be anyway, you know, not
the way you'd be able to reach against, you know,
across the aisle and get things done. This is forceful,
you know, I'm going to bang you on your head
if you don't vote the way you're supposed to.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
So yeah, I'm reminder of Mahatma Gadny and Gandhi who
was asked what he thought about Western civilization and he said, well,
I think it might be a good idea someday.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Someday.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, okay, So where do we go from here then?
I mean where the Eastern cultures have a whole different
way of things, and we're just like, well.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
What you're You're absolutely right. I mean what we see
going on, the greed and avarice is a bottomless pit
which is leading to the suffering and death of people
that are most vulnerable people are on the world, people
having to deal with adaptation to changing climate, and so uh,
(21:08):
it's a sickness. I mean, if if somebody died and
you went into their apartment and it was filled from
Florida ceiling with newspapers, you would say, God, there's something there.
Obviously was something horribly wrong with this person, and with
the person that you just described with Meggi, yachts, you know,
(21:28):
twelve houses at private jets, all all of this stuff
and wealth. I'm not saying that wealth is a bad
thing I've heard. It's it's kind of nice, but you
get you get to a point where extreme wealth is
a sickness. It's no longer establishing a comfortable life for yourself,
(21:53):
entertaining your friends, it is. It is a sickness. And
all of us and when I say all of us,
everybody else in the world that's not part of this point,
one of the one percent of folks like Elon Musk
and Jeff Bezos and Marian Adelson and Timothy Mellon, folks
(22:13):
like that. If you're not part of that crowd, we're
just all video game objects to them. We're not real.
We're not. As a matter of fact, I think I
think that at one point in time, Elon Musk has
described people as nhi and somebody asked them, well, what
does that mean. He said, well, no humans involved. You know,
(22:36):
we're just we're just objects on a screen. I mean,
and I've seen I've worked with people like that that
are mid level senior managers in the technology industry, and
you know, they don't have teams of employees. They have
cells in an Excel spreadsheet. That's what they have. And
(22:56):
so when they decide I'm going to lay off ten
thousand people. The people is when they look at it,
it's just you know, numbers on a page.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, and this is happening more and more. And now
with AI, God knows what's going to happen there. They
just keep you know, Microsoft, I'm gonna lay off six thousand,
you know, or sixty thousand whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
How do you even comprehend that?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I mean, that's a whole nother show, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So so where so where are we at here?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I mean, how well, when we're talking about this cruelty
that's coming, it's the people like Elon Musk who put
pumped a lot of money into this criminal elect to
get him elected. If Musk invests one hundred million dollars,
(23:47):
he knows he's going to get a twenty billion dollars
Starlink contract out of it. So for him, you know,
it's it's business.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's a good investment.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And So this GOP tax fraud or
the Big Beautiful Bill that is what Trump calls it,
it's essentially at the heart of it, it's an extension
of the tax cuts that he drove with the GOP
(24:19):
in twenty seventeen. And what's really interesting is GOP theory.
I mean, it's always been the party of hypocrisy. GOP
theory is, you cut the taxes for wealthy in corporations,
you free up money. They're going to invest it and
grow the economy, and from that economic growth, you're going
(24:44):
to be you're going to be able to mitigate any
kind of national debt or deficit that arises because you're
going to be able to collect more tax revenue even
though you're working at a lower percentage. Well, the reality is,
at the same time extending these tax cuts, which are
supposed to be great for growing the economy, they're basically
(25:05):
going and saying, oh, by the way, we need we
need to increase the debt ceiling by four trillion dollars, right,
And so they know that this bill is a horrible bill,
is going to add more debt to you. You can
see that factored into the stock market already. People are very,
very concerned about the high level of debt in the
(25:29):
United States and in order to essentially try to balance
some of the budgets, so instead of blowing a seven
trillion dollar hole into the budget, it's it's going to
be a four trillion dollar hole. They want to. They
want to. They want to kick several seven to thirteen
million people off of Medicaid, which for the impoverished, for vulnerable,
(25:52):
it's their only access to healthcare other than going to
an emergency room. And so it's horrible in and of itself.
It's so it's getting people off of the off of healthcare. Now, Trump,
you know, the whole promises made and nation betrayed. Uh,
(26:13):
he's he committed that there aren't going to be any
changes to Social Security or Medicare. Well, the reality. The
reality is Medicare runs into a statutory a statutory regulation
called PAGO, And what PAGO says is in a time
(26:33):
in which the budget is running a large deficit, payments
are sequestered. And so there is thought that that over
a ten year period, this is going to cost about
five hundred billion dollars in Medicare, and which is exactly
what they want to do. They when I talk about they,
(26:55):
I'm talking about the GOP. They want to privatize the system.
And so by cutting payments to doctors and providers of
healthcare and cutting five hundred billion dollars out of Medicare,
they're basically going to create longer wait times for seniors
to get in to see a doctor. They're going to
(27:16):
create If more doctors leave the system because they can't
afford to have their pay constantly cut by GOP administrations,
they may leave Medicare altogether. A senior that maybe had
to drive or take mass transit five miles to a doctor,
maybe going twenty five or thirty miles to the nearest
(27:37):
Medicare provider and waiting several months for an appointment. I mean,
it is and this is all to basically make sure
that Musk Deal Bezos, all of these, all of these
folks are paying less in taxes and so it's it's
it's pretty amazing, and.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's well is what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
There there's no you know you, if you anyone with
a quarter of a brain, has to realize that this
is a horrible situation and it can't stand. And I'm
hoping the Senate doesn't let this go through, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't trust you.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
At least, there's no way in hell that they sentence
is going to let this go through.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I've heard that before, not in this present form.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I again, there's I don't say never, never say never
with this, this this group here. Anyway, we're at we're
at the break, George and Melcolm. Uh, at least we
got we got something in So anyway, we'll be back
more with George Poulisnan to talk about I don't even
(28:47):
know anymore, that there's just so much that is a
barrage of things hitting everyone.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
In the Let's try to be optimistic.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, I'm a I'm a cock eyed optimist.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
So please the next one where when four straight?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
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Speaker 2 (30:33):
Uh So, you know, we we talk about judges as
being like a wall in this and a protector at
the judiciary seems to be like a place where.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Some things are going okay, you.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Know, the things are not being uh you know, judges
are making decisions that are are better than you know,
what we think, because he is like literally dominating the
judges now and before the break, I was saying, there
goes the judges and where there goes the judge? So
what so, George, what's going on with the judges and
(31:08):
judiciary and also with you know, Congress and other personnel
being literally criminal charges being brought against the Congress people,
you know on certain things like by the DJ What
is going on?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
That's a good question. Uh So. The this big beautiful bill,
which is really related to terminating people from their health
coverage to get major texts continue major tax benefits to
the very wealthy, also has a section that you would
(31:46):
think it was almost written by Trump's staff attorneys because
it's everything that he's complained about in terms of federal judges,
and federal judges aren't there to either rule for or
against Trump or policies emanating from his very corrupt cabinet.
(32:11):
They're there to rule on matters of law. As a
matter of fact, Again, the founders of this country thought
checks and balances between the judiciary, the executive branch, and
the legislative branch were incredibly important, and they enshrine that
in our founding documents. But Trump, as you mentioned and
(32:37):
Pam Bribe me Bondi, his attorney general, have run into
a lot of trouble with the federal courts when the
executive branch is attempted to exceed their authority or operate
in a way that is highly corrupt, illegal, or unconstitutional.
(32:57):
And so parts of this big beautiful bill UH deal
with the federal courts and what what what Trump and
his advisors want to do. And Steven Miller might have
had a hand in this too, but the bill provides
provisions to remove the jurisdiction from federal courts over certain
(33:20):
types of cases related to immigration, elections and executive orders.
That's how that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's like, I mean, we're talking about the rule of
law being literally turned upside down, and this guy and
Stephen Miller and all the other complicit clowns uh are are.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Are getting their way. It's not possible.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
It's not the rule of law being turned upside down.
It's the rule of law versus the rule of Trump.
Uh it is, you know, no kings, we we acted
a little impishly the last time the United States was
attempted to be ruled by a king, and now now
(34:10):
it's like a bad lunch has come back in the
form of this criminal elect But stripping the jurisdiction from
federal courts is one thing limiting nationwide injunctions. So if
a federal judge here's a matter in a particular federal
court and says, the government cannot do this, this is unconstitutional.
(34:31):
You can't kidnap people that are here in the country
legally and human traffic them to a black site somewhere
else in the world. What this does is it says, okay,
wherever that federal judge is, you can have that injunction there,
but it's not valid for the rest of the country. Right.
(34:53):
It targets what Trump and the DOJ consider to be
activist judges. And so these are judges that they deem
are exceeding their authority. And you know, I mean, from
Trump's perspective, any judge that rules against him or is
mean to him is exceeding their authority. So that could
be any any judge they want to undermine election oversight.
(35:17):
So essentially, what it does is it restricts the federal
courts from reviewing state level election laws, even when those
election laws are in conflict with the Voting Rights Act
or the Constitution. And so in a place like Alabama,
according to this, if this bill passes, if Alabama says, hey,
(35:39):
you know, pull taxes were a great idea, we're gonna
we're gonna throw that back into the into the waters,
the feds would have no federal court would have no
ability to impose any kind of ruling or restrictions on
state law. And then it also provides this is this
is probably the most horrible part, is it provides the
(36:03):
ability to override court rulings retroactively. So if Trump was
unhappy with a decision that a judge made in twenty seventeen,
he can he can basically use his sharpie to cross
that decision out and do whatever he likes. And so
this is this is just a complaint.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
How how are they expecting to pull this off? But
considering their track record of pulling everything off, well, I
mean the possibility you could help.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
You're dealing with a Senate that rubber stamped. Uh. Probably
the worst, the worst, most incompetent, corrupt group of people. Uh,
you know, from the worldwide wrestling uh to uh you know,
a anti vaxxer in charge of health and Human Services.
(36:55):
It's it's and so I don't have much confidence in
this Senate to basically do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
It's idiocracy on steroids.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
If the movie is like Tame, the movie is tame
compared to what this is.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
It's idiocracy with a with a cruel filter applied. Because
idiocracy people were just dumb, right, But this is now,
let's go out our out of our way and make
people suffer.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
And they hide behind Christianity. They are religious and they're
doing the right things. So they just did you read
where they're now holding services on the Secretary of the Military. Yeah,
Defense is holding services want that Christian services once a month.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
They hide behind whatever is available to them to hide behind. Uh.
And they use religion just as they use uh, you know, race,
LGBTQ community, gun violence. They use all of these things
as as a tied behind in a mechanism to divide.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
There's three hundred plus million people in this country, one
hundred plus million who can vote because there's kids and
you know you can't.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
How and I'll use in God's name, is this okay?
And how far is this going to go before something cracks?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
And there's actually about two hundred million eligible voters two.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Hundred million okay whatever, I mean even and they all
didn't vote who are eligible, which is why one of
the reasons we're in this conundrum because they said, well
why should we vote?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
And uh it's but still, what what is the endgame
of this? What is going to stop this?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I mean he just continues to do whatever he wants
and gets away with everything, I mean everything. How did
the enticles of this beast go this far? I mean
how did we let this happen? And it wasn't overnight.
This has been you know, started decade in the in
decades ago.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
This is.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
Twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Oh no, no, it's more way longer than that.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
It started in August twenty third, nineteen seventy one, when
Lewis Powell released the Powell Memo that was largely implemented
by the Reagan administration in nineteen eighty. So this has
been bruined for forty five years. This is a This
is probably the slowest insurrection.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
In history, and it is an insurrection at this point
because I don't know how else to explain it. Decent people,
everyone's you know, their heads are spinning in a circle,
and we don't know what to do. You know, we
just you could protest, you could write letters, you can
go in you know. I mean Neil's friend was the
(39:57):
woman who was thrown out of my lawlers you know,
congressional you know meeting that he had, you know, the
community meeting, and she was was big news here in
Westchester that she was physically removed because she spoke out
against him.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
And I mean, this is what's happening.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
And then when you you know, you said that there
are people that are disappearing, There are students who write,
you know, op eds to other things in college papers disappearing.
There are you know, this podcaster was you know, came
back from Europe to Chicago and they brought him in
for questioning. And one of the things they asked them
is are you a Trump supporter? This is a US citizen,
(40:38):
a US citizen, And they're telling people if you're a
lawyer or a journalist, a scientist, you might have a
problem coming back in.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Well, a lot of scientists are leaving. I mean, just
as many scientists and there was a brain drain in
Germany in the nineteen thirties. There are scientists that are
very open to pursuing research elsewhere because they're not guided
by political principles. They're guided by the pursuit of knowledge
(41:07):
and science, and they don't want you know, some incompetent,
corrupt moron telling them, you know, they can't do this
or they can't implement any kind of diversity program. You know,
they want to they want to pursue science and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, I mean the fact that they have they're going
to stop vaccines, COVID nineteen vaccines for people who are
kind of in the middle. You're healthy, you're over eighteen,
and and you're not you can't get the vaccine. I
could get the vaccine, probably because you know, I'm over
(41:45):
sixty five and have a heart condition.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
My son in his thirties he has asthma.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
But I don't know if that will be able to
be able to get a shot now, which scares the
hell out of me. I mean, this is absurd. How
do you take away that right to you? If you
don't want to vaccine, fine, you have the right to
not have one, but if you want one, you should
have the right.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
To have one. How do they stop that?
Speaker 7 (42:11):
There's an opportunity here, uh that you know, you're you're
you're not looking at. There's an opportunity to get a
Trump autographed u V light and bleach uh for to
fight COVID and I think for feigunderd dollars. It comes
in a gold It comes in a beautiful appointed gold box,
(42:33):
a big beautiful box.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It's a big beautiful box.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And then it's gonna go with the big beautiful gold
you know shield over the country, which is another thing
that they're gonna spend zillions of dollars on.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
And we didn't even talk with we're talking about judges
issues that you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And then we have the infamous air guitar or cutter airplane.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
You know. Talk about parades, We're gonna have one, yeah,
I think June fourteenth, Yes, and that's celebrating the birthday.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, and we're going to have It's no King's Day
in America, So we'll see how the protests go. You know,
they're they're they're they're putting it out over social media,
so I think, uh, it's going to be jam packed.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
An interesting parade.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I can't. I don't ever. I mean this is like.
Speaker 8 (43:25):
We've never had a military parade, have we, aside from
when when the boys returned home from the Wars.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
I think I think that's basically been it. I mean,
we're happy to have the troops home, we're certainly not
happy to throw a big military party for somebody that
avoided service by running to his doctor and getting a
note because he had an awi he had an aUI
in a toe or something. Well, I mean that, yeah,
(43:55):
I mean it's just part part of uh, you know
what I was as I was thinking about this program,
uh and maxing what you were saying about Cutter's Fornert
million dollar gift, which apparently somehow is like the Statue
of Liberty.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Right, which is even more hysterical.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
I don't remember American president, you know, riding around on
the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
It was paid for actually new Yorkers paid a lot
for it as well.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
Actually New York. Yeah, the boy's he getting to keep
the plane after he leaves office.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
It's going to be donated through his library. He doesn't
even know how to read.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
It'll probably be an executive order, Malcolm. But but this
is this is just the flea on the tail of
the dog. This this old Warnert million dollar seven forty
seven that, by the way, Cutter tried to sell and
couldn't write because nobody wanted it. It's going to be
(44:59):
taken and it's going to cost taxpayers a billion dollars
to uh. The story being told is it has to
be fitted with all kinds of of uh satellite gear
and protection. But but they're gonna turn it. You know,
it's gonna be gold seats and a gold toilet and
you know. Uh. But also it's important to remember that
(45:23):
during his spring bribery tour, there are all kinds of
all kinds of business on the table related to the
development of real estate development projects involving Trump licensing uh
and so h. There are resorts, uh, golf and luxury
(45:44):
buildings uh and and and even more so, uh, this
was kind of a direct a direct corrupting benefit in
this world tour is uh. The u AE United Arab
Emirates UH invested two billion dollars into Trump's cryptocurrency scam business.
(46:06):
I mean, did I say scam?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
You said scam?
Speaker 7 (46:09):
Oh boy business? Yeah, coming for.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
You now, baby, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I don't think you're gonna be getting back if you
come here from Portugal. I don't know, might go my
way of El Salvador.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
I think it's just I think Pam buddy, Uh, she's
not going to take that twenty five thousand dollars check anymore.
I think her price has gone up.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's gone way up.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
But uh, it's it's it's just unbelievable. And and people
just you know, those who support him. I just I'm
not getting it because the majority of his supporters I'm
not rich folk, they're they're middle or you know, and
it just well, I mean, by logic at this point, it.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
Actually it actually doesn't because when you think about when
you think about people, and certainly not all of them,
I mean I think that there are absolute hardcore racists
as part of it and everything else, but I mean
a lot of these people have gone through generations of
hearing politicians on both sides saying we're gonna make things,
(47:18):
We're gonna make your life better, and they've seen the people.
They've seen their lives and their children's lives going in
opposite direction, and so it's generational economic despair. People are
people are angry and frustrated for legitimate reasons, but then
they watch Fox News who tells them and lies to
(47:39):
them that the reason that you're not doing better is
because of that person working in the agricultural fields under
hutsun in central California, not somebody like Elon Musk who
is ripping, you know, ripping all kinds of single source
contracts out of government, or folks that have accumulated hundreds
(48:02):
of billions of dollars multiple homes, yachts, has something to
do with them, And it has nothing to do with
tax and economic policies that encourage wealth concentration. It's all
because of you know, immigrants.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's one giant miss And I'm just going to say
move because I know we're getting near the rat.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So can you give us quickly the apocalypse?
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Moo?
Speaker 3 (48:27):
What is that about?
Speaker 7 (48:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (48:29):
And then we can and then we can head off
into the sunset.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
I well, you know, we always try to find something
good where we can, and it's getting harder and harder.
A huge program, but but you open with the fact
that it's really important. Everybody's under stretch, very thin, under
great anxiety. It's important to take care of one another.
It's important to call friends and say, hey, how are
(48:55):
you doing with all of this? And you know, out
in nature and do things. But the other thing that
we can do something about is climate. Now we're not
going to go out and shut a shovel and refinery down,
but what we can make decisions in our personal lives.
And I've always been very guarded about this in terms
(49:19):
of my own life, but I've been a vegetarian now
for twenty five years, and I have to say that
over the course of time, vegetarian meals, vegetarian cooking has
been has evolved so much that I crave you know,
(49:41):
different different vegetarian meals, and you know, think about tofurkey
and Thanksgiving and you know all of that stuff. Yeah mean,
but I mean the reality is that in terms of
shifting to vegetarianism or veganism, even if you do it
one day a week, if you basically say hey, we're
(50:03):
going to have meatless mondays or try to have a
vegan January or something like that. The reality is the
animal agriculture, raising animals for our food supply is responsible
for close to fifteen percent of global emissions. And so
(50:27):
that's a big number. And so if you're concerned for
your children, for your grandchildren, you're concerned about all of
these extreme weather events that are becoming more frequent and
more severe, you can help participate and help from a
personal perspective, contribute to reducing global emissions. In terms of water,
(50:53):
droughts and other conditions that are caused by a war,
a warming climate, producing one pound of beef requires eighteen
hundred gallons of water versus thirty nine gallons for a
pound of vegetables, and so saving water, saving a climate,
preventing deforestation, It reduces the use of fossil fuel in agriculture.
(51:18):
It minimizes this is something RFK Junior would like. It
minimizes antibiotic and hormone pollution that comes from an animal
food supply, and it really supports sustainable global food systems.
In terms of hunger, I know we probably don't have
any time left.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
But I definitely have no time.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
I definitely wanted to get apocalypse moved in there and
encourage people, you know, give it a try and persists
because it takes a little while to get those taste
buds to evolve, but it really will help the planet
and help future future generations will thank you for your
tofurky consumption.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
So well, I have to say is move meatless, mondays
and and and the methane is not coming out of
the rear end of the cows, coming out of the
front end of the cow. Uh, you know, the burpies
versus the parties. But anyway, we had to add some
some levity to this wonderful conversation.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
George, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Where could quickly people get get I know you're doing
great work with with what you're doing, so so where
can people get infost.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
It's it's always a pleasure, Maxine, and thanks to you
and and Malcolm and Neil Beck in the studio. If
folks visit cive dot works, civ dot works, and you
can go to cive dot work slash defend and we'll
give you ideas about organizations that you can help, things
you can do to protect your personal data. And privacy
(52:48):
from administrative This this Trump administration overreach UH and has
a lot of good information for folks.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
So cive dot works folks or sive dot works slash
defend just check it out because Chris George is doing
good things and we need that and we need people
to speak out, which is also what George and I
and Malcolm and Neil back there even does UH to
support that. You know what we need to do to
(53:17):
get through this. So thank you George, and thanks for
joining us from the Many Shades of Green. For more
info and shows, go to Hudson River Radio dot com,
Malcolm Presents dot com, and the Many Shades of Green
dot com. Send it to your thoughts at Tamshades of
Green on Instagram and Facebook, and subscribe to the podcast
in all major apps. A shout out to Neil. Thank
(53:39):
you Neil, Brian and Malcolm for their help. Remember to
pick a shade of green and raise your eco consciousness.
I'm Maxim margat Rubin and we'll see you again next time.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Thanks Hudson River Radio dot com.
Speaker 7 (54:12):
MHM.
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