Episode 17: Night terrors and an encounter with the shadow man

This week's episode is about a mother named Kellie who moved into an old Georgia farmhouse. When people move into a new home, they expect peace and tranquility. Unfortunately, Kellie would experience an encounter with the dreaded shadow man. She described the entity as solid black and large. She also experienced being grabbed by a ghostly hand, strange voices, witnessing an apparition and many other unexplained abnormalities. Her story about what's unseen and seen is fascinating.

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, this is Mark Welcome toanother episode of The markov This week's episode
involves the true story about a hauntingin a small Georgia town. Kelly shares
your story with me about dealing withthe shadow Man, seeing apparitions, and

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being wrapped by an unholy spirit.She also mentions a horrific moment where she
looked into a mirror and was terrifiedby an evil entity. Whenever we move
into a home, we expected tobe a peaceful sanctuary. We hope that
it will be a refuge away fromevil in the darkness of what's outside.

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Unfortunately, there were those who areunable to find any type of sanctuary within
the walls of their own home.Kelly and her husband were unable to find
any peace until they moved to Florida. Here's her story. Well, initially
moved to this really old farmhouse,tiny town, lumped in Georgia. The

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house was built, We're not exactlysure. We're thinking between like eighteen ninety
and nineteen ten. Big house,real big. And the first thing I
noticed was about a week, maybeten days after I had moved in.
My now husband and I had goneto bed and I was sleeping on the

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right side of the bed and Iusually sleep on my right side. Well,
I had like just as off andall of a sudden, really strong
hand grabs my left shoulder, andI thought it was him, honestly trying
to get my attention. It wasn'thim, So immediately I woke him up

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and I'm like, you're switching type. I'm not sleeping on the right side
never again this day, I stillsleep on the left side of the Yeah,
that was I'd never been touched bysomething unseen before. Absolutely it was.
I honestly thought to have my shouldertrying to get my attention, and

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I mean I could feel it wasn'tlike I could almost dent the side of
the hand. That's why I thoughtit was him. But when I was
over it was not him. Imean he was out, So I'm like,
we're switching tide kind of thought thatmight take care of it. But
then I started hearing things. Umwhat the first thing I think I heard,

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and I actually we both heard it, Like we would close the door
and lock the door to our bedroomevery night and we would hear that knob
jiggling and there was no way elsein the house. And of course,
you know, he gets up andhe goes to check and there's no one
there. So we locked the door, and it happened just off and on,

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you know, sporadically. It wouldlast a few seconds and it would
stop, and then it would nothappen again, and say now or it
may. It happened for a weekor two, and then I started hearing
the woman and the little girl nextto like my head. It was like
they were whispering or singing or something, or maybe humming. It wasn't really
the saint. That was definitely femininevoices, one much younger southing than the

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other. Did your husband hear it? No? Just now, okay,
you never heard that. Some ofthe things that we both heard though,
we're like knocking on the wall rightabove our head and on the other side
of our bedroom was a screened infront porch, and the exact spot where
we heard the knocking, there wasactually a wall there that ran, like

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a guess, perpendicular to our wall. So it was something something that could
have been inside the wall banging onthe wall. And I'm not talking about
like the kind of mouse, snakes, or even a squirrel. You know,
it was knocking. It was veryallowed to speak. If not,
of course, I'm thinking, oh, man, I don't mean this in

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my life. So, um,you know, I started slipping with the
bathroom light on, and um youknow, I gosh, I hadn't sucked
the white on it forever, butthat was mandatories. I had to have
the little bathroom light on. Andthen I started seeing things. And you
know, I guess some people callthem shadow figures, people call them shadow

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man or entities. I honestly don'tknow that it had a particular sex.
All I know is that it wasabout the height of a man, because
I say man, because it wastaller maybe six and a half foot tall,
about the width of an athletics person. And it was hitch black.

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I could not see through it.I could see on either side of it,
but I could not see through it. Called the hat man that I
never saw. It was just asilhouette of a figure, but it was
pitch black. What wasn't you think? Honestly, every time I would see
it, I got very nervous,to the point where I was frozen with

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fear. And I think it's saton that because one time we had a
TV in the corner and I seeit behind the TV up against the wall
and it goes from being about sixand a half foot tall to all of
a sudden, it goes all theway up to the ceiling. And we

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had very tall ceilings, about twelvefoot tall. It shoots all the way
up the length of the wall,and that's when I just freaked out.
I closed my eyes, put theblankets over my head, and it scared
me so bad. I couldn't evenscream. I couldn't make a sound,
you know. And a lot oftimes my husband would be in the living

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room because he would say up blady, so I couldn't even get his attention.
But the scariest one I think wasI broke up and there was a
dark figure to my left between meand the wall, and it had armed
out like towards me, and Iwas kind of groggy, and I honestly

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thought it was my husband like reachingout his hand to me, so I
went to grab his hand, butthen I realized that the arm was just
ungodly along I'm talking twice the lengthof a human arm, so I took
my arm back and that's when myelbow hit my husband to with a fleet

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and again that just throat closing fearI could not make a noise, I
you know, I eventually it's kindof like a squeak came out, and
you know, my husband woke upand I was freaking out and I told
him what happened, and he's like, are you serious, And I'm like,

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yeah, I mean this thing wasI almost touched it, and I
can't even imagine what what has happenedif I did. I don't think I
wanted to know what would have happened. But that was quite far serious,
but not the last, you know, that was not the last thing I
saw, but that was definitely thescariest. Did it come to your husband?

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It seemed like just like me,I don't know, because well,
my daughter at the time was livingwith her dad and when she would come
to visit, she wouldn't sleep inher room because she wasn't We had what
was called a nanny closet, andfor people who are younger who don't know
what that is, you know,back in the old days, there would

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be a closet that would go fromone room to the next so that Bananna
could get to the kids, justlike golden people little closet. And she
was terrified that that closet. Butshe wasn't the only one. All the
kids that ever came to the housewere terrified of that closet. So how
old was your daughter at the timeshe was? This was this of a

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course of maybe two or three yearsthat she wouldn't sleep in that room.
So nine eleven or twelve when theywere that age, from what I understand,
they're susceptible to seeing those kind ofyes, and they know well.
And the other kids were even younger, so you know they were It was

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just like it's fed on that fearto have of the dark, you know,
or the monster, and it wasjust it was unbelievable, and it
seemed like different people had different experiences. Okay, you know, we were
told of experiences that my husband's parentshave had that we never had. But

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I don't I'm not going to saythat it didn't happen, because I know
things happened to us, it justnot the same thing. I don't know
if it was a spirit or justyou know, some kind of dark empathy,
because it definitely knew that the shadowfigure was just the thing that got
me. You know, other thingsgrabbed my attention but didn't gear me as

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much. It was more like,just really happen, right? Sure,
So did you ever look in doresearch onto the history of the house or
talk to anybody that may have livedthere before try to find out We we
talked to a few people that hadlived in the town seemed like forever.
So won't we understand the former ownersor the world The owner's parents had lived

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in the house, and this wasprobably like thirty years before we lived there,
we were told, and we couldn'tcorroborate this in front of the owner
of the house, but the townpeople said they do believe one of the
two pasts in the house. Butfrom what we understood, they were decent

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people. So it was like,I don't think that it was them,
you know, I think they wentto where they were supposed to go.
I just don't know. But itwas one thing was weird that kind of
maybe corroborated that My husband and I, my daughter and my stepson were all
in the floyer and we smelled likea vanilla pipe smoke, and it literally

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moved from our left past us tothe right and just out the front door,
and it was so strong. Weall looked at each other, We're
like, you're smelling that, right, and we're like, yeah, and
no one smoked in the house,and it's just, you know, we
didn't use vanilla air fresheners. It'sjust it was so bizarre. But it

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was the one thing that all fourof us witnessed or experience at the same
time. That strong. Yeah,it was very strong. It was it
was it was like someone was smokingeither like a cigar or it's honestly,
it smelled more like pipe tobacco,like flavored pipe tobacco is very very strong

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vanilla that has a very powerful smell. You can't you can't mistake that absolutely,
you know, and especially this flayerwas you know, it had the
piano in it. But other thanthat, you know, we just had
to close off because we never reallyused it. So when we went in
there and smelt that, it's like, there's no reason for that to be
there. It was just odd.It was interesting. It didn't scare us.

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It was just like, wow,you know, that really happened,
especially if I don't smoke and nobodysmokes and I smelled that, Yeah,
I know. The one thing thatreally caught me off guard. One time
I was going across the foyer.This is during the day by daylight,
and to the left of the doorI had come in as a door as

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a glass window in it, andon the other side is another small hallway.
While I was going across the foyerto the room that my daughter refused
to sleep in, and I lookedon my left and a white figure just
it was just if it just walkedright by the windows, and I wasn't
wear it. I thought at first, honestly, that maybe it was just

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pint reflection. But I had adark shirt on, and there was no
one in the house in that partof the house, and like my husband
the words like dark clothes, butit was it looked like someone about five
nine five ten, which is tallerthan me, like five five. But
it was a figure in white andit just walked right past that wouldn't now

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and I never saw it again,So that definitely got my attention. Did
it did have a shape that ithad a head or was it like a
blob it? Honestly, I wasthinking a woman dressed in white. It
definitely had an outline, and Iwas thinking maybe a white dress, like
an old fashioned white dress. Lightcolor hair, which is also weird because
everybody in the house has dark hair. I mean except for I'm a redhead,

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but everyone else has dark hair,So you know, that was bad.
And then I think I kind ofexplained it was a weird term.
But it was like a little tornadoin the middle of the room, kind
of like a list of smoke.But again, no one smokes, but
it was like kind of it wasjust in the middle of the room,

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like at head level, and itjust kind of spun around and then it
dissipated like a tornado does. AndI saw it in the living room,
and then I saw it in thedoorway between the living room in the kitchen.
I didn't get a weird sensation,but I knew it didn't belong there.
I couldn't explain it, you know, the house wasn't, you know,

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super dusty or anything. Didn't makesense. It was something that I
witnessed and I had no explanation forit. Yeah, I've never heard of
I've never heard of anything like that. So you said you have it.
I think you called it a vaportornado. Yeah, it's kind of like
a vapor almost. I guess thatwould be the best way to describe it.
But it was just like a littlevortex and then it dissipated, you

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know, like a tornado does searchto break apart. So you have no
idea what that was if it wasa ghost or no idea, no idea,
and it didn't really move. Itkind of stayed in the same area
and then it just broke apart.But very very interesting, very odd.

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We would hear doors shut, cabinetin the kitchen, would hear them bang,
and they were shut, but thenwe would go in there they were
still shut that It's like someone hadopened it and banged it. Thank god
we didn't go in and like allof the captain's rope and because I would
have like moved immediately it was closed. You know, we've never witnessed it.

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We just heard it. So I'mguessing based on you had said that
you had heard like a woman andmaybe a younger woman, a mother and
daughter. Possibly that it was probablytwo women and it didn't sound like they
wanted to harm you, but possiblythe dark shadow man whatever that was,

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that may have been interested in harmingyou. Right, That's kind of the
feeling I got. The women inthe girl that never really you know,
it was more nurturing things. Itnever seemed to be menacing. I mean
it's off putting, right, butthe dark figure again, like it would

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feel like my throat was closing up. I couldn't scream, I couldn't move,
and I thought of, well,you know, I've heard of I
watched the movie, the documentary madea whole years ago, the Nightmare Without
Sleep per House. I really like, I don't wonder if that's what it
is, and I'm just having hallucinations. But I wasn't asleep, so that

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kind of threw that out the window. But it's like the same feeling.
Though. I would get so scared. I couldn't move, I couldn't make
a sound, and finally, aftera few seconds, I would be able
to. Well, because of aninjury, I have to my vocal cords,
I can't actually scream, but Ican yell. I would yell for

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my husband and he'd come in,and I'm like, it's time breafs of
the bits. You know, It'slike I can't be in here by myself
anymore. So you said that hesaw a little bit, but most of
it was all on you. Yousaw everything or heard everything. Yeah,
Like there were instances like he sawI know, the vortex or the whiff

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he saw, the one in thekitchen, you know, he heard a
lot of things, you know,And on perfectly clear days, it would
be clear outside, you know,not a cloud in the sky, and
it would just get dark, likereally really dark in the house, and
there would be like an oppressive feelings. And he did experience that on some

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occasions, unbeknownst to me. Actually, then we started concerning note and but
it just seemed like it really likesto bother me, you know. And
then I have a whole thing withmirrors that I refuse. Now, even
to this day, I will notlook in the mirror at night or in
the dark because of that house.So daytime you will, but not nighttime.

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Yeah, daytime, no problem.But nighttime or if I go into
a bathroom it doesn't have windows orwhatever, the lights off, I won't
look in the mirror into the lightson. Because I looked into the mirror
one time when the lights were off, and the face I saw staring back
was not my face. It wasa evil distortion of my face, and

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I just got the feeling that itwas going to reach through and put me
through the through the glass. Andso, and this's been eight years now,
but I will not look into amirror in the darker. Now,
how many times did that happened?Was that the only one time? It
happened twice? Actually, the firsttime it was it wasn't a major distortion.

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The whites of my eyes disappeared andmy eyes were completely black. The
second time, though, it wasa complete distortion of my face. You
know, reminds me of like theAmityville horror, you know, when she
looks in this old hag. Butit was worked. It was just evil
looking. Yeah, it was justthat. It was to the point,

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like I said, I mean,I'm twenty years old and I will not
look into a mirror in the dark. So forget doing body marry. That's
not happening. I don't do thateither. So was it the same mirror?
It was saying, Yeah, youknow, it was the same mirror
in the bathroom in that old house. So both times you looked in the
mirror and saw the same mirror.Do you think it was just the mirror

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or do you think that that wouldhave happened in any mirror. I don't
know, because I don't know thatit would have happened in just any mirror.
I had that mirror was part ofthe it was installed, you know,
connected to the wall. We hadseveral mirrors that we had hung and
I again Walton pass those without evenlooking at them. But it only happened

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in that one mirror. I wonderif it was the possibility that perhaps it
was like probably her of like portalsto other dimensions could be portal. Yes,
yes, I've heard it's a veryold myth, so maybe. Yeah.
I mean that that mirror wasn't originalto the house obviously, but it
was probably thirty or forty years oldbecause it was behind it was a medicine

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cabinet. But I'm talking something outof the sixties, you know. And
I don't know like who all livedand you know, that house had a
lot of different inhabitants. It wasa rental for a while. We actually
were renting it, um, soI don't know who all lived there or
what went on in that house.So there's just no talent. But I've

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never been so spooked ever as Iwas in that house. And another thing
that just you know, I wasreminded of, you know, your most
vulnerable. Honestly, I think it'slike when you're showering, you know,
like, I'm in there with theradio on, trying to clear my mind,
and I had a shower curtain thatwasn't seatspirt, and something started like

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punching at the shower curtain, movingfrom one end to the other, and
I just had to you know,I was sped up, and I'm like,
not, I'm in the f andshower. I would have moved.
That would have been a last straw. Yes, it was horrible. I'm
like and I was yelling. I'mlike, just leave me alone. I

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just yelled leave me alone, andit punched a few more times and then
it left me alone for the restof my shower. But for about four
minutes, I was terrified because whenI think about showers, you know what
I think about. I always thinkabout that movie that I saw when I
was a kid that terrified me.No more in Bates, let's think about

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that shower. If I go ohyes, yeah, oh yeah, oh
yeah yeah, so yeah, anythingthat's right, anything that's what means the
shower, that's that's enough to getme to move out of that house tightened.
That's like this supposed to be asacred spot, right, you know,
don't necessarily riding my shower. Sothat one time, that just that

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one time, and I see likethat house didn't have central heat or air.
We had like window units in thebedrooms and gas heat, but that
bathroom, if you wanted ben elation, you had to crank open a window.
But this was in the winter,so the window was shut, so
there was no explanation. Like andit wasn't just like it was gently rippling.

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It was punching, you know,a good probably eight nine inches inwards
towards me. So I was viciousthen it was probably trying to get Yes,
it was trying to strike you aswhat I think, Yeah, I
just I don't. I was justit made me mad, you know,
I'm like, maybe just let mealone. I'm just done. So what

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happened after that incident, Oh mygosh, um, just more of the
you know the dark shados, youknow that sometimes they'd be at the foot
of the bed. Oh they would, you know. Sometimes I wouldn't see
a figure, but I would feelsomething shaking the bed, as if I

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honestly thought my dog had jumped onthe bed because I had a sixty five
pound pitful well a box her picnics, and it felt like she had jumped
on the bed, but she wouldn'teven be in the room, and I'm
like, come on, really,you know, if it's not a shower,
you'd bother me when I'm kind ofsleep. So it's like there was
no peace in that house. Ever. Honestly, I always had an uneasy

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feeling. You know. It's justalways you know, you know, if
I'm sitting on the couch with awall behind me, it is there hen
gonna stick out with the wall andgrab me. It's just that in the
back of your mind, that creepyfeeling. Plus all the horror movies I've
watched didn't help. But because I'ma horror movie fanatic, you know,

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it just makes you, you know, when you see movies incorporate these things,
just like flashbag. Flashbag. Rightnow, let me ask you about
the pit bowl. Now, youprobably know that animals are very susceptible to
spirits, especially cats. I mean, I've read a lot especially cats that

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cats, and I know if I'veexperienced this my own because I've had cats
in my whole life, and there'sbeen moments where I've slept on my bed
and in the middle of the night, at like say two or three o'clock
in the morning, the cat besleeping on the bed and he'll just sit
up, just start staring and lookingaround the room like there's something, you
know, And I'm like, whatare you looking at? So he know,
it's like, what do you seethat? Right? Don't And it's

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believe that they do see these things. So how did your pets act when
they were in the room. Likeour our dogs didn't usually sleep on our
bed. Every once in a whilewe let her on the bed, but
there would be times when she wouldstart growling. She wouldn't really mark,
but she would kind of get thatlow growl. Her hair would stand up

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a little bit because I would Iwould kind of reach over and terror I
could feel like the hair on herback was sticking up, and she would
be shaking. But that only happened, honestly, two or three times,
because usually when this stuff would happen, she'd still be in the living room
my husband, you know, onthe couch or whatever. And then the
cat, we never knew where hewas used round the house somewhere, but

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at night had some more active andso we would, you know, we
would hear him running around. Butthen you could also tell when there were
noises outside that weren't the cat heavierfootfalls. Of course, the cat's not
gonna jogle the door handle. Yeah, it was unexplainable. Long did you
guys live in that house? Let'ssee, my husband had actually lived there

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a little bit longer than I had. He had moved in a few months
prior to me. His parents wereliving there at the time, and they
were getting ready to move. Sowe're like a world over, you know,
they're in and we'll live here.And so I moved in February of
twenty eleven, and we moved Mayof twenty seventeen. Over six years.

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I don't know if I don't thinkI would have stayed that last of that
long. But I'll tell you,like we would go a visit family,
and even like some of there attheir houses were a little weird, all
of them. But like you know, if we go visit my dad,
who's been to night or whatever,everything was fine. The best sleep I've
ever had. If we went tostay at a hotel, you know,

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we went out of town, greatsleep, but it was just like we
have to go back home, youknow. And when we finally bought this
house down here, I mean theday we'd moved was probably one of the
best days I've had a long time. And uh, you know, I
just this house doesn't have that prestivefeeling. Now. I sleep with a

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mask over my eyes to keep likelight out because we had was stupid skylight
right over our bed, which iskind of freaky. But all I need
is to look up there and seesomething staring at me. But we'll definitely
open next day. Yeah, it'sjust, um, but this house does
not have that feeling at all.Now. Every once in a while,
I'll still get kind of a weirdfeeling almost like I don't know how I

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read on how to explain it.It's kind of like there's something kind of
pressing on me, you know,Um, something's kind of hanging on my
shoulder. But it only lasts fora few seconds. It gets me the
chills and then it goes away.So it's not you didn't bring it with
you. Then I'm hoping I didn't, so absolutely, I mean, because

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you know, I think that's thatthere's the same that you know, houses
aren't haunted, people are. I'vealso heard vice versa, but I mean,
yeah, I just see, like, huh, and this this is
kind of a stupid thing that Idid. I have always been interested in
wed boards, never now while isreally little. I played foot with one

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with my cousin, but like itwas just to scaring and I moved on
professional all this kind of stuff.But my husband did buy one for me,
but it's never even been taken outof the shrink craft. I just
have a fear, honestly of openingit and invite something into my house because
I don't want to move again.You know, Yeah, they're dangerous.

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People think they're it's a toy ora game, but it's not because you
never know what you're going to bringover, absolutely, and if there's it's
a possibility that you bring something overand you cannot get rid of it,
and well exactly, and you know, it's a lot of people are like,
oh, it's just a game.It's just a game, and I'd
like to believe that, but Ialso believe that it depends on your intention

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as well, and if you havebeen surrounded by dark things before, you
may be more susceptible to bring inour team, right, I agree with
so that Wagi board is just goingto stay in the shrink rap. That
makes sense. I don't know.I don't. I don't believe in even
tempt and fate. I mean,as a Christian, I've experienced some supernatural

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things on my own. Because Ibelieve that it doesn't matter whether you're a
Christian or not. I think thatyou're still susceptible. Anybody susceptible to this
type of absolutely doesn't matter what yourfaith. Now, and I grew up
a Christian, I'm you know,I'm not always the best practicing Christian,
but I have faith, and it'sjust, you know, still I have

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that interest in some of the macabrestuff and y and you know, and
it's just a novelty thing. Butyou know, date and fate is just
not something I want to do.I'm fascinated by this type of stuff,
these stories absolutely because I know it'sreal. But I mean, I'm not
absolutely I'm not going to tempt fateby trying to invite anything in my house,

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by having a say once aunts oryou know, or doing messing with
you know, doing the bloody Marything or messing with that. I don't
do any of that. I justwill not. I refuse to do anything.
Yeah, like you just said,I don't want to tempt fate.
I just don't want to do it. Yeah, yeah, because you just
don't know what you're going to bringin. And I don't care what religion

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you are, you know. Ibelieve that there are evil spirits or demons
that can attach to anybody, nomatter what faith they are or whether they're
of no faith, you know,and you know all the movies, of
course, you know, they callupon the Catholic priest to come and do
the exorcism or the blessing of thehouse or whatever. But if something was

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to happen again like that they happenedin Georgia, I don't care who it
was, someone would had to kindof cleanse my house or I was to
move because I just couldn't do itagain. I wouldn't either. I mean,
I know there are people out there, like there's Catholic priests that do
that, and then they're spiritualists.There's people that do that. But I
believe in minimizing the opportunity for somethinglike that to happen to me. So

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yeah, I've read too, I'veread too many stories about that kind of
thing happening. I mean, I'vewatched supernatural shows and I've seen people on
there and they've said that they've doneeverything they've tried to get at the house
clans and it doesn't matter what theydo or where they move to, that
they never get rid of follow Itfollows them, and it's followed them for

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and they'll say, you know,ten or twenty years, and they know
that they've just come to the pointwhere they know they're never going to get
rid of it. So it's likea disease and it's you know what it
makes you wonder, is it?You know, especially for people who don't
really believe in anything. Um,you know, how does someone like that
try to get rid of a demon? You know, if they don't believe

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in them, because it doesn't matterif you don't believe in them, you
know, if they choose you,you're well, it's evil. And anybody
that believes that there's no such thingas evil as a fool. I mean
there is evil in this world.I mean, you look at the news
every day. There's there's absolutely evil. I mean we you know, not

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not just paranormal stuff. There's evil. People that were absolutely evil and I
think that they were just something happenedand they went the way they did,
and I mean, you know,you can just look at their eyes and
there's just nothing there, you know. So yeah, there's definitely evil in
this world. And if if peoplecan't realize that, then they're blind.

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I agree. So I'm glad thatyou were able to get out of Georgia.
And do you think that how isthat? How still is it still
there? Do you think? Um? I'm believes it's still there. Um,
we hadn't been by that house.Oh gosh, I think we've been
that sing moved. Um, we'vebeen near it, but we've not gone

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by it. But I did likegoogle methods and to see like the satellite
images, and I've seen an updatedimage. So the house is definitely still
there. But I didn't seek anyvehicles in the driveway, so I don't
know that anybody's living there. Youcouldn't pay me any amount of money to
get back to that house. Oh, I understand while you were living there?

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Did you were your husband? Soyou never tried to do any type
of research or go to the libraryor anything and try to find out anything
about the history. I know yousaid a lot of people had come and
gone through there, but I lookedup like tax records to see, you
know how many times the house hadbeen sold, and they actually hadn't been
sold that many times. I thinktwo or three. The owner that with

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our landlord owned the house because hehad inherited it from his parents. They
had owned it for many, manyyears, and at one time I know
they had rented it out to seato school teachers. You know, they
were like roommates, so they neededa place to stay to teach at the

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local school. So it was forteachers. But like I said, the
only as far as like death recordscouldn't really find anything. It's like I
said, it's just there's there's noteven stuff life in the town. There's
one four away intersection and you know, that's it. So finding out a

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lot was kind of hard. Soyou really had to just talk to people
who knew because it was known aswell McClinton to her last name, but
it was known as like the owners, you know, Nay, it was
that their house. It was alwaysknown as their house. And oh you
was in that house, okay,and we're like, what does that mean.
Oh, there's just weird things we'veheard, weird things have happened in

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that house. Yeah. The neighborsalways now they just won't tell them.
They're not going to tell you becausethey know you. Now you know,
now you may not believe them,or they may just think I don't find
out on their own. Yeah,exactly, Like, yeah, you're the
moral I sent fluid in that house, okay, And I'm like, yeah,
now I'm the I'm the person that'smoving out, lady. Most of
the stuff there, I honestly justI felt if we brought stuff with us,

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it would just cling to it.So we literally only brought maybe three
or four items of furniture. Andthis is weird, but like I cleaned
that stuff thoroughly before I even wenton the moving truck, and the rest
of the stuff was like, youknow, our clothing and dishes and stuff,
but I mean even furniture. Weleft furniture and just bought in furniture.

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That sounds like a safe, justlike a fresh start, you know.
So you don't have any fairies oranything on what exactly was going on
in that house. What I mean, what do you think it was?
I don't know. I'm wondering ifbecause see, in two thousand and two,
I had a near fatal experience andI woke up in the hospital two

(36:05):
days later. I think it wastwo days later, and both of my
older sisters were standing next to me, and I woke up and now I
don't remember this. This is theirword that I trust them one hundred percent.
They said, you woke up,you looked right at us, and
you said I saw a mom,and you went back to sleep. My

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mom's been dead since nineteen eighty seven. And they said they looked at each
other and they knew I was tellingthe truth. And since that moment,
I think something happened in that timewhen I was between the incident and the
time I woke up in the hospitalthat has maybe made me a little more

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receptive. And so maybe that househad something there already that takes and chooses,
you know, people who may bea little more receptive to things.
It overwhelmed me. I mean,yeah, that would have overwhelmed me.
Um. I've heard that people whohave gone through the nearer death experiences that

(37:08):
they when they recover, the onesthat do recover have the rest of their
life. Is stranger will to saythat they have ye experience. Yeah,
no jokes, things, you know. I you know, I've had like
one or two kind of odd experiencesprior to add, but nothing to that

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level. I mean, this isa whole knee ball game, and um,
you know, it's something that Iwasn't prepared for, you know,
certainly getting one, you know,and even you know people who are,
I don't know if they consider themselvesblessed with the gift of like prior buoyant
or whatever. I don't want thatstuff. I just want to be less

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of one, you know. Um, I don't go looking for it,
you know, I'm interested in readingabout you know, other people's experience distant
stuff, but I would certainly nottry to hone in on that stuff.
On protect that makes a lot ofsense, I don't I don't blame you.
Yeah, probably safe that way.Yeah, I just think it's it's

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playing a dangerous game, you know, unless you're a really strong willed person
and can just you know, Idon't know. I just I honestly felt
like a battle was going on inthat house, and the only way to
get away from it was just tomove. And so, like I've been
doing a lot better as far asnot seeing things, you know, hearing

(38:36):
things, you know, for themost part, things or I'd say like
ninety five percent better. That soundspretty good. Yeah, that sounds really
good. I could live with that. Yeah, well that sounds like a
pretty traumatic experience. And like Isaid, I'm glad you glad you got
through it and survived. So okay, yeah, I'm just um, you

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know, and other people who havehad similar experiences, you know, I
wonder what they think that those entitiesare. You know, are they evil?
You know? Are they are theydemons? You know? I just
don't know. That's that's that lingeringquestion. What was it? I mean,

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I never want to experience that againto find out, but it's still
in the back of my mind.What was it?