April 21, 2019 • 50 mins
Becky is a military veteran, nurse and medium. Since childhood, she has seen demons, ghosts and other supernatural entities. She said that the dead still roam when they have unfinished business. But what is this business? It's anyone's guess. She shares the story of a hospital built over a Civil War battlefield. Before a patient dies, a whistling general always stops by for a visit. And then she discusses the ghost of her long dead brother who refuses to move on. This is Becky's story. You won't want to miss it.
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Hello, this is Mark. Welcometo another episode of The Markop. This
week, I spoke to a militaryveteran named Becky, who is both a
nurse in a medium. She hasa really interesting story to tell about herself.
She can see and communicate with thedead. She describes herself as a
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beacon to the deceased. This imediatelydraws their attention. She shares her experiences
about working in a hospital built overa Civil War battle. She mentions a
ghostly general that appears just before apatient dies in her conversations with her deceased
brother, who hasn't moved on tothe next plane. This is her story.
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Hello, tonight, I have areally incredible guest and her name is
Becky, and she is a medium. And I have to say that I'm
really looking forward to speaking to herbecause I've never met a medium before,
and I know they often don't considerit a gift, But for those of
us who don't understand what it isthat a medium does, we're fascinated by
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it. But a medium is aperson that can see spirits and communicate with
spirits, and that's something that noteverybody has that ability. So Becky is
from Illinois and I want to goahead and start off by asking her to
tell us when she first had herexperiences. When did you know that you
had this type of ability? Well, I was three years old, and
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it was It was strange because itwasn't a spirit anything to begin with.
It was a demon. That wasthe first thing I remember. I was
laying in bed one night because mymama told us to go to bed,
and I was in bed and Iheard foot sounds coming down the hallway and
fast in the floors were made ofLenoian, so you could hear everything.
And I heard the hook come inand I saw this thing and it sat
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down on my bed, and I'msitting there looking at it. You know,
as a child, you're not goingto think anything. He sat there,
Well, was it a horse?It was a get roll, like
a gatling you would see as achild, not like something disgusting or gross
like you would think. And hejust started talking to me. And I
was just looking at it, youknow, not even thinking anything. Never
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because you're a child, you don'tknow. And I wasn't scared, and
he was just telling me, you'reseeing me the way I want you to
see, because you would be scaredif I showed you what I looked like
or I know now, I probablywould have been scared. But you were
so young. Yeah, told me, he said, I'll be for you.
Yeah, and that's been with youevery day. You don't know what
that was though. You think itwas a demon. Oh, it was
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a demon. There's no doubt aboutthat one, because later on I started
seeing them and they talked to you. Yes. Absolutely so. Is it
like a telepathic type of thing youhear in your head or is it like
how we're talking you can actually hearthe voice. No, just like you
and I talk, the spirits arethe same way. They'll talk to us
like you and I talk. It'snot telepathic. They talked to you,
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and you had mentioned something in yourdocumentation about it. Was it something about
your grandfather getting ready to pass orsomething along those lines. Yeah. My
grandfather passed when I was five,and I had five spirits that I could
hear. I couldn't see him atthat time. I wanted to take a
few minutes to provide some knowledge aboutspirits if you aren't familiar with them.
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A spirit may also be own asa phantom, a specter, a spook,
wraith, or even a ghost.It's believed that when a person dies,
his or her spirit departs from theperson's physical body and moves on to
another dimension. They may then appearas translucent, realistic looking, whispy,
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or repair to us in visions.For centuries, people have reported seeing spirits,
and there are practices used to helpease spirits so that they can move
forward. Common practices may include inexorcism, or some other type of practice
based on a particular religious belief.It's believed that more than ten percent of
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all Americans have seen a ghost sometimein their life. However, science doesn't
believe in spirits. The rationality isthere is no physical evidence, but there
are believers, such as myself,because I have had my own paranormal experiences.
Regarding this particular podcast episode with Becky, as a child, she learned
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from five visiting spirits that her belovedgrandfather would be dying soon. The strange
spirits appeared to prepare her for hisdeath. She explains what she learned from
the visiting spirits, and that wasthe most scanned Ouvish and she says,
well, we have something to tellyou, and then the other spirits will
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tell on her, not scare mebecause I was so little. She goes,
well, she needs to know aboutthis sooner or later because she's going
to have to deal with this kindof thing. And I'm just sitting there
and I'm getting scared. And thenshe tells me about my grandfather's death.
He said. She goes, he'sgoing to be with us soon, and
a little bit, so I'm goingto tell you now that he died and
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he's going to be with us soon. As a child, I'm sitting there
scared to death and I'll run outscreamed in my mother and my grandmother and
everybody. And we got a phonecall not even five minutes later. It
said he attacked. Would your momthink she's the same way. She's an
impact medium as as well as Iam. And she's said of American,
so it kind of runs in ourfamily. Well, what exactly is that?
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What I don't because I don't knowwhat that is. What is an
EmPATH medium? An impact medium feeleverything anybody in a room feel. If
you come in there and you're miserable, I'm going to feel it. I'm
going to take on what you feel, and all your emotions are just like
we collect everybody's emotion, and it'shard for us to get rid of it.
So basically it'll make us really depressedand everything till we can get those
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things out of it. And thebest way for us to do it is
go to saltwater and cleanse ourselves.So you can feel what people feel in
the room. Does that mean thatif you're in a room with say,
like let's say you're at work andyou're around twenty people, you can feel
what all twenty people all mixed together. Oh, if I walk in Okay,
this is an example. Like I'ma nurse. I can walk into
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a room and I can feel whatanybody else is feeling. Like they're impainting,
I feel it. If they're depressed, I feel it. I could
walk into a bar and it's likeI could feel everybody's emotions at the same
time. So I kind of stayat home a lot. That would probably
give me a headache and make mestressed out because I have anxiety, So
it's depressing exactly. I have highanxiety and depression because of that. You
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can't control it, so you can'tturn it off at all. No,
like at night, I can't turnoff the ghosts or spirits or whatever.
People call them. I just sleepwith the light on because I mean I
could gem in their lights. Butmost of the time they'll leave me alone
if I've got the light on atnight. Once that light goes out,
they're there so you can wake up. And most of the times they're in
the room. I'll wake up atthree o'clock in the morning on the noose
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and they'll be somebody sitting in achair. You can see them, I
mean completely alike, a full person. Yeah, and they can talk.
I see them and they talk.What do they tell you? Oh,
they'll just they're just going to talk. Or they'll say, can you tell
somebody? And they'll mention a nameand I'll write it down that when you
can go talk to them and tellthem that I'm okay. Or can they
find this work there? Find that? And or I hid this and I
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need them to look for it.And I'm like, no, that person's
probably dead now. Some of themdon't. They know they're dead, but
they don't know time. That's onething that I've heard from people that talk
about near death experiences. I've readmany different stories about people who've experienced those,
and that's one common denominator. Theyall say that there's no recollection of
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time. There is just no time. It's not like there's minutes or anything.
There's no there's just it doesn't exist. I guess that's how. Yeah,
my brother he comes to visit mebecause he's tat and his grandson was
a stillborn. Okay, but heshows me he's still growing like a normal
child. I was like, okay, I didn't know dad either. So
your brother is deceased and his andhe visits you. Yes, my brother's
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dead. How did he die?Does he talk about it or does he
tell you why why he did that? Or oh, yeah, yeah he
did. He was he was youknow, he just got on drugs and
everything like that and he couldn't controlit. So but he's always round his
daughter, and he tells me likeif she has a vacation, he wants
to know where she is. Theycan show up out of nowhere so they
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can see how it is. Theycan see what's going on in your life.
I mean that yeah, oh yes, everything you do. They can
see ahead everything, and you haveto tell them, like if you go
the room, you know, youknow you'd be with your stuffs or something.
You have to tell everybody to getout. You have to open the
door and say everybody out. Nobodystays in good bye, and you shut
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the door and don't stay out.But once you go to sleep, now
it's on. Oh that's that's prettyfascinating. So you've had this your whole
life, my whole life. Mysister has it, my other sister has
it, my mom has it.So then that's true about that's yeah,
I've heard that a lot too.That's past. It's passed from family members.
Yeah, so that is true then, especially Native Americans. My mother's
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Native Americans, so it is pastedin her family. So is your mom
still is she's still alive today?Yeah? Does she get visits from your
brother? Yes, but now shehas Alzheimers, So I don't know whose
business are now. Oh, shemay not even realize it then, So
let me ask you this, right, this is something that's fascinated me really
about the paranormal. I've watched andI understand that they hollywood it up,
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but I've seen television programs about psychicswho have supposedly allegedly assisted in homicide investigations
and things like that, and Ido believe that that is possible, that
maybe there are some instances where thatis correct, because I've seen like where
the actual officer said, yes,this person did help me and this person
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didn't know some things. Is thatreal? When people can do that,
you can really communicate with a personthat's been murdered and they can tell you
what happened and who did it?Is is that real? They can tell
you, But there's some things theywant to tell you, and you can
ask certain things that they're not goingto tell you. Certain things, Well,
why did you say, Oh,I don't know, I always acted
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there Heaven and Hell. They willnot answer that question, not a one
of them will answer it. Andthat's what disturbs me, And like,
why will you not answer that question? And then they'll just they'll it's not
need to know. That makes memad. Let me ask you this,
do you are you a Christian ora Muslim? What's your faith? I'm
a Christian? I am also andI know in the Bible it says to
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be absent from the body is tobe present with the Lord, and for
the most part, I do believeit. But I've also had my own
paranormal experience, and I was atotal skeptic until it happened to me,
and I actually lived through some thingslike that, So that's always been something
that I've wrestled with. I don'tunderstand that if you die. I always
thought that you go to wherever you'resupposed to go, and then you can't
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stay behind on earth. What's yourthought about that? Why are people left
behind? It that some do goto their wherever they're supposed to go and
they don't come back, but somecan go there and come back because they
want to keep an eye on whothey love and care for. That whole
thing just really fascinates me, andthat's why I'm glad I'm getting to talk
to you so I can ask youfor your opinion on that. They're not
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going to tell you. I mean, how do you ask them? Do
you just say, hey, isthere a heaven? I straight up I
asked my brother. I said,is there a heaven and hell? And
he just looked at me. Hesaid, you'll find out some day.
I can't tell you. Well,why can't you tell me? He's telling
you not to tell me. I'veasked every one of them that, yeah,
I don't have any kind of abilitiesor see anything strange, but I
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was having a really tough time backin two thousand and four. I mean
I was very stressed out. Iwas at a very low point in my
life, and it was almost likeI was hoping that I would die.
I mean, that's how bad Iwas feeling about how things were in my
life. And I remember one nightgoing to bed and my grandfather came to
me in a dream. My grandfatherhad been dead, he died in ninety
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eight, and then he came tome in two thousand and four in a
dream. Now, the thing was, I don't ever remember my dreams,
and if I do remember them,they're never clear. So what happened was
this dream was clear. I meanit was so clear that I could touch
him. I mean, that's howclear. But the reason why I know
it was my grandfather was because thisperson who came to me, I did
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not recognize him. I didn't knowwho he was. He had like black
hair, it was slicked back,it was oiled back. He had jeans
and a T shirt, and hewas wearing like loafers, and he was
really really handsome, and he hada dark tan. I didn't know who
it was until he talked, andthen I recognized his voice as my grandfather
and I asked him, I said, Grandpa, is that you and he
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said, yes, Mark, it'sme. I said, well, aren't
you dead and he said, mybody is, but I'm not dead.
And I was like exactly, Oh, my gosh. And I started talking
to him, and he told methat, you know, go talk to
your grandmother, because my grandmother wasalive at the time. He's like,
I want you to talk to yourgrandmother about this. Your grandmother can help
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you get through this. And Idid. I talked to my grandmother,
and you know, I told herabout the dream and she was like,
are that is exactly what your grandfatherlooked like when I first started dating him,
when he was like sixteen or seventeenyears old. He had he wore
his hair slick black, and healways had a ten because he was always
outside cutting grass and doing yard work. And she said he'd loved wearing a
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white tshirt and jeans. She says, that's exactly how he dressed. And
here's the thing, of course,I've never seen my grandfather. When my
grandfather was sixteen, and you figure, he was born in nineteen twenty five
and he was about sixteen, andI have never seen a photograph of my
grandfather when he was a teenager.So to me, there was no way
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that I could have possibly known whathe'd looked like and described him to the
team when I had never seen apicture of him, and like I said,
I didn't recognize him at first.He'll come visit you in your dreams,
and that's been the only time.Anybody says, yeah, yeah,
but that's been the only time.I mean, he's been. He died
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in ninety eight and it was justthat one time. I've always hoped that
he'd come back. He's never returned. It's just once, right, But
if you it's sometimes like even ifthey don't say usually come by, come
by in your dreams, or tovisit you when you're really really having a
hard time at life. Okay,a lot of them will do that,
and that's what so they is itlike they know that you're upset, or
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you know they're watching. They're aroundall the time, even though you don't
see them. We just can't somebodylike me that sees them all the time.
It's just like what a curse.But you know they're there. And
I could walk into a room andI could feel something as soon as I
walked in at that place has spirits, I'll know within minutes of walking in.
So not every place you go tohas spirits, not unless they're following
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me. So like if you wereto go into a church, you wouldn't
would you see anything in a churchor say Walmart? There's times I do
when I do go to the church. Now, I won't see any ghosts
per se. There are attachments towhose others? There? Have you ever
told somebody like your mother says tosay hello to you or something like you
know something along those Oh no,Well, I don't want people think I'm
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crazy and say no, because you'vegot the people who don't believe, and
they will sit there and say no, there's no way. But to others
you'll tell them and they'll be finewith it. Oh I kind of see
your dad or something like that.Like my niece she says, I talked
to Daddy all the time, buthe never lets me see him. I
said, well, you just gotto keep on. One day you'll see
him again. He will pop upwhen you're least expecting it, like on
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a snowy night. Now, andhere's the other thing, and I this
is something that I don't know it'san intuition for me. But I have
a feeling and I know that whenI die that my grandfather is going to
appear to me. I'm going tosee him before I close my eyes for
the final time. He's going tobe in the room with me, and
he's gonna be waiting, and whereverI'm gonna go, he's gonna be there
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with me to go. And Idon't know how I know this. I
used to work cocktas well. It'strue because I'm telling you right now,
I used to work Cockta, Okay, and at every time, right before
but he dies, they start tellingyou about people standing around their beds and
the remaining and they'll be talking tothem. Yes, my grandfather, my
grandfather did that when he died.Right before he died, he was said,
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he told my dad and my grandmotherhe could see now he wasn't talking
to them, but he was talkingto himself. But my dad said,
and his last breath, he wassaying, I can see Nanette, which
was my aunt, which was hissister in law, and she had passed
a while ago, and he said, I can see her. I can
see her. She's waving me over. She's holding flowers and she's she's waving
me to come over. And thenmy dad said, he took his last
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breath, closed his eyes, andhe was gone. But he was talking
about my aunt, you know,my grandma's sister, and that was he
was talking to her and my dad'sand my grandma said, well, he
wasn't talking to us. Yeah,we don't know who he was talking to.
So I've seen it. And I'vealso seen patients getting ready to go
out in their care and their sheetsscreaming. So these things, they'll leave
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them alone, these black creatures.So I've seen that too, Shadowy,
they'll somebody they're waiting. Yeah,yeah, I see. I believe that.
I have a friend. It's ahospice nurse. And she says,
I mean, she hasn't told meanything like that, but she really loves
what she does. But she's she'sjust told me some things. But I
imagine being a hospice nurse, shewould probably see a lot of things.
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So, I mean, I've heardyou do, especially working in hospital.
All right, all right, wellyeah, that's where people die. I
mean. But yeah, I've heardstories about people that say that they've seen
like dark people their final words.So something bad before they die. Oh
yeah, because not everybody goes toheaven or the good. No, not
everybody does. Right. Yeah,you could walk through a hospital, especially
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if you're a medium or impact mediumor anything like that, and you could
walk down the hawse and you couldsee people who's past. They're just roaming
around the hall, so they don'tknow they're dead. And you see that
today. You're a nurse, soright, well, yeah, can you
see that? Every day? Ispart of your job? Every day?
Do you tell anybody your co workersknow? Oh, that's nurses. We'll
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sit there like some of them theygot there, I guess the guests and
some of them do. Some ofthem don't. They don't even care.
But I know what I've seen.And then I'll look over to another nurse
but said, did you see that? And she says no, I'll just
drop it and she says, yeah, I've seen it, and I'm like,
thank god, I knew I wasn'tpretty bease. So tell me things
like that. Tell me tell mean experience about if you mentioned something about
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the dark people, could you tellme something about that, what that is?
And then tell me an experience thatyou saw a patient. My husband
was in He was in the MarineCorps and I was in the military,
and I went to visiting on base. All over the barracks, I'm seeing
these dark figures. They are likeshadow people all over the barracks. And
you know, he'll listen to me, so I don't have a problem with
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that. And I'm like, because, so I want you to come in.
I said, I'm not coming inbecause why not? I said,
shadow people all over this barracks.I said, I'm not going in there.
I'm not going weird. I'm stayingin the car because to me,
every time I see those things,something bad happened. And I'm not adopted
building there like you. But hisunit has met to I ret. Yeah,
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it was Afghanistan, I think,and he had already gotten out and
one company of his was completely decimated. So I'm not there there. If
they were there for that, Idon't know. I try to stay away
from the dark figures because they're scaryand I don't know. There's something evil
about them, So why do theywhat do they want? I don't know.
I'm to me, I'm scared thatthey're there for soul. That's what
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I feel like. They're just evilthere's something about him. I don't know
what it is. You know what, you know what, I've seen him
before, right, you know whenI when I hear about when I see
stuff about the dark people, thedark man all that. You remember that
movie Ghosts with Patrick Swayze. Yeah, remember the scene where they remember that
there was a guy that killed himhis character, and then in the end
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when he dies, you see allthose dark people come crawling like out of
the sewer and they grabbed the guyand they drag him off. That's that's
kind of how I see it.I mean, I think that evil people
when they die, I think that'swhat happens to him. I think that
those dark souls or dark spirits orwhatever they are come to claim what's theirs.
Well, it's funny because I knewa lot of those guys in the
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parts, and they were a goodguys. And I'm just thinking, why
would they come over here? Youknow? That's what I was just like,
I don't know, Yeah, butyou don't know them here, you
don't you don't know them. Youknow, we only know what we see.
We don't know what goes on behindclosed doors. We don't know what
these guys did you know that they'renot telling you about. Yeah, I
mean, because over there, sometimesyou got to be evil to do,
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you know, to deal with people. I mean, how often did you
hear people say John Wayne Gacy,Oh boy, he was a great neighbor.
He was a great guy. Hedresses a clown, He went to
the hospitals and visited sick kids.I mean, he'd help you out if
he needed help. I mean Iheard a lot of good things about John
Wayne Gacy. We definitely know hewas not a good man. He wasn't
a good guy now, so yeah, I mean that's when I kind of
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wonder if that's what these dark people. Now I've kind of last Yeah,
you've seen okay, I mean I'veseen a crawling on a man's house across
the way from me, and theyhad children. I'm like, why are
they over on that house and nobodyelse's you know kind of thing. So
you see them different places, okay, and you don't know why they're there,
and I'd like to know what theyare because they scare me. And
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I don't scare that easy. That'scrazy. I mean, yeah, I
don't understand what those are either.I've done I've done reading on them,
and I've heard about them. Butyou know, here's the thing. I've
never seen anything like that straight forward, but I swear that sometimes, like
there have been times where I'm justsitting at my house reading a book or
something, and out of this cornerof my eye, I've seen something moved
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past me, like a shadow justwalk past me. And I turn around
and I look and it's not there'snothing there, of course, but I
won't see it face on it onlyI only see it out of the corner
of my eye. So that's Idon't know what people say that that I
talked to, Really, what doesthat mean? How come I don't see
it? Because you you're not openenough yet. If you were to get
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around, say, say you wereto be around a medium or an impact,
after a while you will start tofeel or see what they see.
Like my husband was never open atall, and now he can see and
build things. He's like, whatdid you do the Like, I didn't
do anything that you didn't have alreadythere. You just got to be open
enough. I've heard that. I'veheard that. I've heard that that's why
the lot of kids are more susceptibleto seeing things and I've heard pets can
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see things too. Cats and dogsare very susceptible and ghosts and spirits and
things like, oh yeah, didthey see everything? Because they've not of
course, Oh yes, there's nobodytelling them that they're nuts, so you
know, And because like if youtell like ministers or anything, what you
what you see or whatever, theydon't want to believe you. But if
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you go to a Catholic priest,they believe you right right, Yeah,
they do the exorcisms, see,I believe exactly, but they know.
And it's kind of strange that itonly seems like Catholic priests can get rid
of the demons. I mean,when you see the Exorcists or any of
those shows, it's not like theygo and get a Baptist preacher. It's
always a Catholic priest. Oh no, you don't even tell your minister of
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Lord Almighty. He'll be sitting theresaying, you're just being demons. No,
it's my brother I saw and Italked to him. He's not a
demon, no kind of thing.Yeah, but a Catholic priest will say,
yeah, I understand, you know, we see this stuff all the
time. Sure they do. Asa matter of fact, I was reading
about a Catholic priest. I hadshared it on my Facebook page where he
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says he doesn't averages six he doessix exorcisms a year. Oh yeah,
he doesn't write like you said,he doesn't regularly. So well, there's
the Catholic Church. If you contactthem, they'll tell you they said that
their exorcism has gone at like ninetyeight percent in the last few years.
Why is that? That makes mewonder? What do you think? What's
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your opinion on that? There's quitea bit of evil out there today.
I think people have lost their moralsand how else to collect souls? Then
you know, people who've lost alltheir morals and all their all their kindnic
and there's a lot of evil outthere. I mean a lot lately.
And I've noticed it increased since Iwas a kid. You know, you
wouldn't talk back to your parents,you know, I'm taxing six years old.
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I would have never talked on Ididn't either. No, I wouldn't
either my parents, my parents.If I talked crazy my parents, me
and my brothers, they usually justgave us a look, or they go
peeple to switch off the tree,and or you know, they just fly.
I'll punch your lights exactly. Youlearn you respected your mom and dad
when you're at least me my brothers. Yeah, my dad is alved.
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Yeah. My dad was an Armyvent combat bet. He served two tours
in Vietnam. Now my dad,I don't know. I don't know what
kind of stuff my dad can.I don't Now. This is strange and
I'll never forget the story. Mydad told me this story when I was
little, and I still remember uberit. But my dad told me that
when he left Vietnam, he stayedand he went into Thailand and that's where
he met my mother, and that'show I ended up coming over here.
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But my dad said that he wentoutside and there was a lady and he
was staying in an apartment or something, and he said, there was this
lady standing in the yard next doorand she was playing flowers or doing something,
and my dad said, he,you know, just being neighborly.
He just walked over and said helloto her. And my dad said,
you know, it's a nice dayball, you know, just some small
talk. And my dad said,you know, he just talked to her
like normal and then didn't think nothingof it. And then he had told
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me that. I guess. Lateron that day he was talking to a
police officer and he was telling thepolice officer about that woman. He's like,
well, yeah, I was overhere talking to this lady that was
over here, and my dad saidthat. The policeman said, did she
look like this? Did she lookedlike this? And he described her and
my dad said, yeah, yeah, that was her. That was her.
Yeah, she lives in this shelives right here. And my dad
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said the policeman said, no,no, no, no, that's not
her. She's dead. She committedsuicide. I think she hanged herself.
My dad said no, no,my Dad's like, no, no,
no, she she she she couldn'thave been dead. My dad said,
she was real. She was Shewasn't like a sea through apparition. She
was a real person. I talkedto her and I said, no,
she's she's been dead for a while. She killed herself. My dad said,
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other people have said the same thing. Other people have seen this woman.
And my dad told me that storywhen I was a kid, and
he's told to me a couple oftimes and it's still to this day,
all these years later. I mean, it was probably fifty years ago,
and my dad said that that's thatjust freaked him out. Even today,
he has no explanation for that,but he knows he's not the only one
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that's ever seen. You can seepeople like they're dead. Sometimes you can
even touch them and they feel real. That's what my dad said. But
he said she was real. Youcould touch her, right, Yeah,
but i'mlike us, they're cold.He didn't touch her, so, yeah,
that would have been creepy if hewould trying to her. Yeah,
I want to make sure I'm notcrazy, right. So something else that
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I was really really fascinated with aboutyour information you sent me. I'm a
big time Civil war buff. Imean, I love reading about stories about
the Civil War. So when youwere writing about how you were a nurse
in a hospital that was built overa where a war, a civil war
battle had been fought and seeing aghost generally tell me about that story,
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That's that that got me. That'sthe scariest place I've ever been. So
where was this, Um we hadwit there? Well, it was a
it was a nursing home built ona Civil war battlefield, and um,
you know there had to be peoplethere there too. Was this in Virginia.
So we were sent there as contractorsin Virginia, a bunch of US
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nurses and it was snowing. Youknow, nobody could get in except for
two of US nurses. So weyou know, we were taking care of
everything. We're in this room andwe heard three loud knocks. I thought
that this the building a sec inand then we heard whistle them and I'm
sitting there. I'm continuing what I'mdoing. Do you know, I'm an
impact medium. I know what's coming. You'd got to do something, So
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I just kept doing I was doingit. She looked at me, she
did, did you hear that?I don't hear anything. Well, I'm
trying to play it off, andshe goes, do you hear that whistling?
And I sigh. I said,yes, I hear it, and
it's like an old tune that youwould hear, like back in the Civil
War. So the way we goto our desk, we'll finish down there.
We go to our desks. We'resitting there watching the Civil War.
Officer walked down the hall and I'msitting there looking at her, and she's
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looking at me. I said,you see that. She goes, I
do see that? And he's walkingin the room well whole And any other
night we were there, we wouldhear a music plan, we would hear
the doors. You could see likethe little candles moving on the doors.
But every time the next day weasked the nurses about that because we were
seeing all kinds of stuff in there, and we asked the nurses. Coming
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on, I say, we're gonnaask you something. You can tell us
we're crazy whatever, But who wouldI said, do y'all see a civil
war? Also walking up and downthe hall, and they go, yes,
every time somebody goes the path,he comes. We had somebody tapped
that night after he went in thatroom. But it's like that every time
facility. Is it still there?That facility? Do you think? Is
it still there? I don't know, but I could find out. That's
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fascinating. So apparently one play saiddid not want to go back to Yeah,
so apparently it didn't. He didn't. It didn't matter if anybody so
he didn't care. I guess ifyou saw him or not. He was
just a vail. He just camearound whenever somebody was gonna die. Oh
that's pretty fascinating, do you knowwho he was. No, I didn't
want to find the hell. Yeah, I'm a little curious. I would
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probably would have wanted to know.It could have been the Angel of Death
disguise is one of those I don'tknow. I didn't want to find the
hell. I was like, Ijust want to get out of here,
and I want anything following me home. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's
always something you got to worry aboutthem following you home. So he only
showed up when somebody was getting readyto die. Yeah, so you knew
when you saw him, even ifthey were somebody was going to die.
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Oh yeah, the nurses always knew. That's pretty man. I know that
we had went in this one roomthat was playing music and there was no
radio when there at all, Iplayed that hit. I'm locking the store.
I'm going back down to the nursesdesk, and I'm not going back
in that room because I don't knowwhat I'm going to find. Right from
all the experiences that you've seen,I mean, I know you've seen the
Shadow Man, you've seen the CivilWar general and the Hoofs, and you've
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seen the Devil. But did theydid you ever feel like they were they
weren't trying to harm you? Werethey or were they just there? Because
it doesn't seem like, oh uh, your experiences. It just seems like
they wanted you to know that theywere there. But to me, it
doesn't really sound like they were outto harm you. Is that a good
assessment? Um? No, notwell, most of the spirits or nothing.
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No, they don't. I've hada demon attacked me before and he
was out to hurt me. Sothose can hurt you, and they will.
I've heard of it. Anybody saysthat the will hurt you. Yes,
I've heard that, the about thescratch marks on the body and things
like that. And yet I hadhim right up between my five and they
were deep and they hurt. Iwas frightening with Almighty God behind me.
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And they don't always show up atnight like everybody think. This was in
the morning after duty. Yeah,I was like and it was still sunny
out. I was like, no, So did you see him? Because
I had went to the at thehospital. I did not see him.
No, this isn't my home.Oh okay, so they attacked your home.
Yeah, yeah, I had alreadyjust gotten I've just gotten a day
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because I worked nighte okay, andI just got in bed. That hadn't
been the most frightening thing that everhappened in my life. Because I went
to the priest the next day andI was like, you know, this
happened to me, and he becauseI know, he says there were a
lot of women in your neighborhoods thatcame here today too, So I don't
think it was just me because itwas kind of weird. Yeah, that
sounds very strange, but we're women. Say they get they get attacked,
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they get attacked. These things areruthless. So do you think it's because
I think is it satan? Idon't know what it is because my niece
has gotten a tat too, andmy sister and my mother. Is it
satan? Do you think? Idon't know. I don't think so.
I think it's his minions, Ireally do, because these things are ruthless
and you only hear grunting and breathing. They don't say anything. They just
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grunt and breed and try to crawlup their body and stuff. It's frightful.
I've never been so scared in allmy life. So when you talked
to the priest, was the preestableto help you out with that. Oh
yeah, definitely. And I've moved, Oh yeah, I think I would
imagine. I don't know if it'sattached to the house, the land,
I don't know where it comes from. I don't want to be there again.
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So when you see these spirits,you said you see your brother regularly.
Is he the only person that yousee regularly? Is there anybody else?
I see all kinds of people.My brother, though, he'll come
around when he's looking for his daughter, if he goes on vacation or something.
And he feels real because he scaredme one night, the first time
he ever showed up. I wasin bed and I just goes off and
I felt somebody put their arm acrossme, like they were hugging me.
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But came up from the floor.He had to it. I mean that's
the way I looked at it.And he's like holding me and I come
up out of that bed screaming bloodymother. And he felt real, like,
you know, he looked like hedid when we were in high school.
And then I turned around and lookingat him and he's like, don't
don't be scared, don't be scaredas me, he said, it's your
brother. And I'm looking at himlike, oh my god, don't you
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ever do that to me again.I said, you know you're dead,
right? He gaus, I know, he said, I come to visit.
I was like, you could havecome through the front door. I
don't think that's how they do ifit don't scare you. What was that?
I said, I don't think that'show they work. I think they
just kind of show up whenever theywant to show up. Yeah, they
do. And the weird way too. You don't come up through the floor,
come through a wall. I mean, you can't use the door and
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you just show up. Yeah,he felt real. I could feel him,
you know. And you said thathis daughter, your niece, can
she sees him too? Does Whatwas that? I said, does his
daughter? You said, your niecedoes she see him also? No,
she said she doesn't. She doesn'tsee him. She can feel him,
but she can't see him. Onlyyou can see him now. My other
niece now she can see at everything. That's like me thing. There must
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be some interesting family reunions that youguys have. Woh, that's pretty crazy.
I mean I don't know so.I mean it is a medium.
You can, so you can actuallyjust talk to him. Could you make
a request to speak to a certainone? Is that possible or is that
not? You only see whoever showsup. That doesn't work. You could
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show up, you couldn't speak well, say oh, I could call them,
you know when they answer no,you know, that's not how it
works. They only come to youwhen they want to come, and you
can ask all day long. It'slike they they're like, yeah, whatever,
I'm coming on my own time.You couldn't ask for John F.
Kennedy come visiting me. I said, you couldn't ask for John F.
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Kennedy to come visit. You couldn'tcall out for John F. Kennedy.
No, nothing like that, notat all. They show up when they
want to, They leave when theywant to. Sometimes I have to get
ugly and get out the stage andsay if you don't get out, I'll
start using this and then they'll leave. So there's another thing that I had
thought those Yeah it sounds well,sounds yeah, that doesn't. I know
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people call it a gift, butI agree, I don't. I don't
know. I have to debate onthat one. You had said that you
saw it, you saw a boyand he were playing Peekaboo and then he
was it was a murder victim,something along those lines. Tell me about
that story. Yeah, that isan interesting story. Oh that's sad.
I mean when I see children,I just it's so sad. Because I
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woke up because I felt like somebodywas looking at me. The little boy
was standing next to my bed.He had a little red ball cap on,
a little blond child as soon ashe can be. And he's sitting
there playing peekaboo with me, andI'm like, okay, so if I'll
just play into it a little bitto see what happens someone, I'm sitting
there doing it, and then followinghe stopped and looked at and he says,
can you help me unlock and decide? Im rate back home? He
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said, And I can't, andI'm going to go. Oh my God,
said, well, I don't knowwhere you live. I said,
you know, you need to callout to your mom and see if you
can go back there. And I'msitting and think an oh boy, this
is gonna go great, and thenhe just disappeared. Well, the next
morning I was watching TV and thereit was the little boy with the red
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hat on he had been murdered.That sent shows down the spine because I
don't like to see little children becauseI know it's usually not good. They
did they catch the killer? Um, I don't remember. It's been a
while, oh so, but Idon't think they did well. He couldn't
tell you what happened to him,no, because he was little. I
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mean he was like four years old, is that four or five? And
he just did not know where hewas. It's great. In my family,
we call us if they're we're likea light. I dead know where
we are able to find it.I heard about that. It's like we
send out the beacon and they justshow what. I guess. I guess
I should be glad to say thatI'm not a beacon. But I guess,
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like you said, if if,if you're around somebody that has that,
and maybe you'll pick up monitor orsomething. I suppose I don't know,
because I've always wondered why some peoplesee Yeah, I always wonder why
some people seem to have that abilityand then some people just don't. I
mean, I think it's more we'reopen, Like you know, we have
like a third eye. It's openand we can't close it. Believe me.
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If I could, I would.I don't care who says it's a
gift. It is not a gift. And I laugh at some of these
ghosts shows. They've got these paranormalshows, I really do. I will
laugh at. Well, I don'tthink a lot of them because I'm like,
not real. I think a lotof them are fake. Yes,
that's that's what I think, becauseif you really see one, believe me,
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can I get possessed? Every timeyou do a show? It just
doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah,I think what it is. It's Hollywood.
You know they're doing it for ratings, so you know they have to
see something otherwise you won't watch.Yeah, exactly. And most of the
time I just watch them just alast because I'm like, yeah, you
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call out a goot saying, thenwhen you see one you start screaming like
a girl. Well that's not howit works. You called them, you
want them, and now that you'reday at, are all right to them?
I agree? All fun game.Well, I've heard about people that
have picked up spirits and brought themhome and then they can't get rid of
them, you know, but yeahyou can't if you like, if you
go to a cemetery or something.You better, you better make sure you
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clean yourself before you go in andwhen you come out, because it's not
something following your home. Yeah,I've heard stories like that. That's the
drug, honest truth. I've beento a few funerals, and I've never
felt like I've ever brought anything home. I guess I just consider myself fortunate.
But I've never I've been to alot of cemeteries. I've never felt
anything. I guess maybe I wouldclean yourself if I would just say,
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I'm probably just not susceptible that Idon't know, But then I did.
I did have my own experience,but it only happened once, you know,
years ago. But I don't know. I find the whole thing just
fascinating trying to figure it out.I guess it's just something that we're not
going to be able to figure outuntil it's our time to die, and
then then we won't Like you.I guess you said, your brother,
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we'll know when we're supposed to know. Yeah, you can. You can
ask everybody, and everybody's going tohave a different experience or experiences. I
could go after a battlefield and offsee stuff people won't see and you know,
and you know you don't want tobring him home with you either,
So you know you have to pickand choose where you go. Have you
been to Getty But I don't wantto have to know, never been there,
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But I have been to North Carolinaand Georgia and places down around there.
I don't want to go up there. I've been enough for the one
down where I live. So whenyou send you see stuff on a battlefield.
So if you go to one oldbattlefield, what what what do you
see? What does it tell?Describe that? Well? Sometimes but you
will see you'll see the battle inin motion. I mean it will be
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going sometimes like I went to Idon't know what they call them, but
it's just like a little encampment andthey're all sitting there just talking to each
other and you know, or eatingor whatever. They won't be doing anything
particular, and there won't be abattle going on, but you'll see them,
you'll see injured or whatever. Andthen other times you'll walk into a
battlefielding will I can hear and seewhat's going on, and it's that's a
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scary thing because you don't want tosee anybody getting blown up. You know,
I've seen enough of that, youknow, so it's like you see
it for real. You smell itlike I smell I It's like you can
you can smell the gunpowder, youcan smell the blood, and it's like
in three D right in front ofyour face. That's amazing like that everywhere
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I go. Now, what aboutlike a graveyard. I know you must
see you see something in a graveyard. Oh yeah, you always see stuff
in the graveyard. And it's seriouslylike me and my sister went to a
cemetery day to visit my grandfather andmy dad and everybody, and me,
being a veteran, I know whereto put the flag on the grave or
whatever the well. My sister justpicked one up and she put it a
certain place on the grade without thinking. We're halfway home, and I turned
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around and look and I'm like,what did you do? She goes you
see him too, I'm like,yeah, you're sitting in the back seat.
It was a soldier sitting in theback seat. I said, all
right, let's go back. Yougot to take him back. So we
had to go back there. Shehad to show me what you're good and
I put the flag in the rightplace and he left he stayed there.
Oh my god. Oh, butyou will have attachments if you don't pay
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attention to what you're doing in thesegraveyards. Some may be good and them
may not be because they will followyou. Yeah, I see, I've
heard. I've heard stories about peoplewho who brought stuff home, like whether
they play with a wheezy board,or they go to ay go to a
cemetery looking for ghosts, or goon ghost hunts and then they bring some
kind of evil spirit back or something. I've heard many stories about that happening
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to people because people don't think it'sreal. Oh yeah, you know,
they think they play around with thesethewegian boards and stuff. Don't do that,
anybody, listen, don't do that. I agree. Asking for trouble,
I don't even big trouble. Idon't do those. I don't do
the terret cards, I don't dothe seances. I don't. I don't.
I don't do anything. I mean, I am a Christian shot because
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I don't and I believe in evil, and I do believe it's out there,
but I do not believe in temptingfate and mess around with that stuff
because I know it's dangerous. There'ssome evil things out there. They are
good things out there that just someof them don't know they're dead, and
some of them do. Some ofthem like to talk a lot. Do
they tell you, like I'd reallylike to sleep now? Did they tell
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you about their lives? Oh?Yeah, they'll tell me all kinds of
stuff. Things I don't even wantto hear. Did they tell you how
they died? Some of them will. Some of them don't remember. I
don't remember. Some of them don'tremember. Let's say I know I died,
I just don't remember. How itsounds like? Okay, I wonder
why that's. I wonder why thatis. I find that in the most
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older ones, like it's eighteen hundredsor so like that, some of them
don't remember. I don't know ifit's as time goes by they form things
or they don't know, or Idon't know. It's weird. Can you
convince them to move on? No, that doesn't look that way, because
they don't want to move on.They're not gone up. You could talk
to them all a day about thatand they'll just look at you like,
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I'm not going anywhere. I'm notready and you're like, okay, it's
not like how they show one thelittle ghost stories. You know, hey,
you have a light, a boxor whatever. Walk through the door
doesn't work that way. You couldtell them that all day long. If
they're not ready, they're not going. Yeah, I tried it. I
guess I don't understand. Why Whywould they want to stay here? Why?
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I mean I would to me,I would think that if you die,
you want to move on to thenext plane, not stay here.
Now. I ask my brother thesame question, why are you still here?
Will I have to make sure mydaughter's okay? He said, I'm
not leaving here till she leaves.I'm like cocaine in exactly the way you
want it. But some of themare like that, they're not going to
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leave unless they're ready. That's interesting. Like I don't see I don't see
my grandmother anymore, I don't seemy dad, I don't see my grandpa
anymore. After a certain point,it just sat coming around. But your
brother comes around though others don't.That's interesting. Well, that's definitely been
an educational listening all this um becauseI, like I said, I don't
know anything. I don't really knowanything about being a medium or anything or
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how it works. So if youwere to go to I don't know,
let's say you went to I'm goingto go back to the crime thing again.
What would happen if you went toa murder scene? For instance?
Would you've been there so you've actuallygone to a homicide scene or yes,
I was, I pregn I guessinvestigator why I was going to college?
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Okay? And I used to drawthe pictures when we go in there,
and because that's how you can seesome people are still standing there in the
death state, and you don't knowwhy they're still there. That's when I
say you see people at sometimes ifthey die tragically and a horrible way,
you'll see him just as they justas they died, and it's really bad,
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really bad. And they don't theydon't. They've never told you anything
like hey I was killed, somebodykilled me or no, they'll just stand
there stare atude. They would onlyjust stare at me. They wouldn't move.
It's like they're confined. They don'tknow what to do. They just
stand there and you're like, ohGod, I'm looking at this person who's
in a horrible state right now,and I don't know what to say,
and yeah, I think they're confusedand they don't know what to say.
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I mean, that's it's really hardto imagine that. I don't know,
it's just hard for me to graspthe idea that that would happen, that
people would just be hanging around hereafter they die and you know, and
not knowing anything. I guess it'sI guess because it's so much the way
as a Christian person you're raised thatyou know that doesn't happen, that you
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know, when you die, yougo to heaven or you go to Hell.
I mean, that's pretty pretty standard. You hear that a lot,
and I grow up and that's kindof what you expect. You don't but
then you know, it's just oneof those things that people have explained different
people looking at it. I've gotto look at different both sides because I
was born with it, right,not nothing. I wanted to believe you,
right, if it was just aseasy as you know, hey,
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they're going to die, go toHeaven and hell. Hey good, that's
great, fantastic that they're not goingto do it. It's like you can
walk in the room and that couldbe fifty spirits standing there and you steal
them. You know, It's justjust they're not all leaving, not at
all, even though they might havehad a peaceful, great death, They're
going to stay around because they haveunfinished business. It's what I look at
it. Yeah, I've heard thata lot. The unfinished business thing.
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I've heard that, and maybe theydon't ever finish it. I don't know.
Well, it's like, um,the Lincoln assassination and Mary Saratt was
the first lady in American history tobe executed, and she was executed for
supposedly being involved with killing Lincoln.Years later, a lot of researchers have
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looked into it and read more intoit, and a lot of people think
that she she was actually innocent.She was falsely convicted and executed. A
lot of people to this day haveseen her ghosts. They claim that they
see her ghosts, that she's stillwalking around. I wouldn't be surprised if
she's walking around, and she willwalk around until maybe she gets a pardon
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or she's exonerated one day. Idon't think that will ever happen. But
exactly, but I think that aslong as she her record stays as she
was, you know, convicted forbeing involved in killing President Lincoln, and
she's she's gonna still be around forever. Yeah, it's like I have got,
I've got We will stay away fromsanitarian I stay away from old hospital,
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and I stay away from cemeteries.If I don't have to go there,
I'm not gonna because if they're crazyin your life, that they're going
to be crazy and death. That'sreally fascinating. I mean, I don't
know. I guess I thought it'sjust it's how it's really a lot to
take in, you know, Imean how that works. But I mean
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I know it has to there hasto be something to it because so many
people have had these experiences, andthere's so many mediums and people who've experienced
really strange things with the paranormal.So, and it's been going on for
centuries. People from centuries ago talkedabout those stories. We're seeing ghosts all
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throughout my family they all had thisproblem. So and you know, because
it's a gift, Well, noit's not. Do you wake up at
three o'clock in the morning somebody aboutto talk to you? Right, No,
No, it's not. Yeah,I'd like to have a normal life
to go out in public and nothave to see anything. That would be
great. Maybe one day you'll getthat. Whose kids want to go out
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there to find ghosts and stuff,Now stay out of it. That is
that your advice to them, tostay out of it. That's my advice.
Don't go looking for something you won'twant to get that you were going
to regret. And that sounds likean axe. Would you board alone and
all that? That sounds like areally good piece of advice. So let
me ask you this last question.My last question I want to ask you
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tonight would be if if somebody wereto ask you to define exactly what is
it that a medium does? Whatwould you say? What's your purpose for
having this? I don't know whatmy purpose is, you know, I
really don't know. It's I thinkit's just something through my blood that was
born in me. But that mydefinition is I'm there so they can talk.
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I'm kind of like they're psychologist,if you will, because some of
them just want to talk and thenthey'll just go away once they've talked,
harried out a conversation. I thinkI'm kind of like their psychologist.
Hello, this is Mark. Welcometo another episode of The Markop. This
week, I spoke to a militaryveteran named Becky, who is both a
nurse in a medium. She hasa really interesting story to tell about herself.
She can see and communicate with thedead. She describes herself as a
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beacon to the deceased. This imediatelydraws their attention. She shares her experiences
about working in a hospital built overa Civil War battle. She mentions a
ghostly general that appears just before apatient dies in her conversations with her deceased
brother, who hasn't moved on tothe next plane. This is her story.
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Hello, tonight, I have areally incredible guest and her name is
Becky, and she is a medium. And I have to say that I'm
really looking forward to speaking to herbecause I've never met a medium before,
and I know they often don't considerit a gift, But for those of
us who don't understand what it isthat a medium does, we're fascinated by
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it. But a medium is aperson that can see spirits and communicate with
spirits, and that's something that noteverybody has that ability. So Becky is
from Illinois and I want to goahead and start off by asking her to
tell us when she first had herexperiences. When did you know that you
had this type of ability? Well, I was three years old, and
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it was It was strange because itwasn't a spirit anything to begin with.
It was a demon. That wasthe first thing I remember. I was
laying in bed one night because mymama told us to go to bed,
and I was in bed and Iheard foot sounds coming down the hallway and
fast in the floors were made ofLenoian, so you could hear everything.
And I heard the hook come inand I saw this thing and it sat
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down on my bed, and I'msitting there looking at it. You know,
as a child, you're not goingto think anything. He sat there,
Well, was it a horse?It was a get roll, like
a gatling you would see as achild, not like something disgusting or gross
like you would think. And hejust started talking to me. And I
was just looking at it, youknow, not even thinking anything. Never
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because you're a child, you don'tknow. And I wasn't scared, and
he was just telling me, you'reseeing me the way I want you to
see, because you would be scaredif I showed you what I looked like
or I know now, I probablywould have been scared. But you were
so young. Yeah, told me, he said, I'll be for you.
Yeah, and that's been with youevery day. You don't know what
that was though. You think itwas a demon. Oh, it was
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a demon. There's no doubt aboutthat one, because later on I started
seeing them and they talked to you. Yes. Absolutely so. Is it
like a telepathic type of thing youhear in your head or is it like
how we're talking you can actually hearthe voice. No, just like you
and I talk, the spirits arethe same way. They'll talk to us
like you and I talk. It'snot telepathic. They talked to you,
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and you had mentioned something in yourdocumentation about it. Was it something about
your grandfather getting ready to pass orsomething along those lines. Yeah. My
grandfather passed when I was five,and I had five spirits that I could
hear. I couldn't see him atthat time. I wanted to take a
few minutes to provide some knowledge aboutspirits if you aren't familiar with them.
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A spirit may also be own asa phantom, a specter, a spook,
wraith, or even a ghost.It's believed that when a person dies,
his or her spirit departs from theperson's physical body and moves on to
another dimension. They may then appearas translucent, realistic looking, whispy,
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or repair to us in visions.For centuries, people have reported seeing spirits,
and there are practices used to helpease spirits so that they can move
forward. Common practices may include inexorcism, or some other type of practice
based on a particular religious belief.It's believed that more than ten percent of
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all Americans have seen a ghost sometimein their life. However, science doesn't
believe in spirits. The rationality isthere is no physical evidence, but there
are believers, such as myself,because I have had my own paranormal experiences.
Regarding this particular podcast episode with Becky, as a child, she learned
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from five visiting spirits that her belovedgrandfather would be dying soon. The strange
spirits appeared to prepare her for hisdeath. She explains what she learned from
the visiting spirits, and that wasthe most scanned Ouvish and she says,
well, we have something to tellyou, and then the other spirits will
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tell on her, not scare mebecause I was so little. She goes,
well, she needs to know aboutthis sooner or later because she's going
to have to deal with this kindof thing. And I'm just sitting there
and I'm getting scared. And thenshe tells me about my grandfather's death.
He said. She goes, he'sgoing to be with us soon, and
a little bit, so I'm goingto tell you now that he died and
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he's going to be with us soon. As a child, I'm sitting there
scared to death and I'll run outscreamed in my mother and my grandmother and
everybody. And we got a phonecall not even five minutes later. It
said he attacked. Would your momthink she's the same way. She's an
impact medium as as well as Iam. And she's said of American,
so it kind of runs in ourfamily. Well, what exactly is that?
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What I don't because I don't knowwhat that is. What is an
EmPATH medium? An impact medium feeleverything anybody in a room feel. If
you come in there and you're miserable, I'm going to feel it. I'm
going to take on what you feel, and all your emotions are just like
we collect everybody's emotion, and it'shard for us to get rid of it.
So basically it'll make us really depressedand everything till we can get those
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things out of it. And thebest way for us to do it is
go to saltwater and cleanse ourselves.So you can feel what people feel in
the room. Does that mean thatif you're in a room with say,
like let's say you're at work andyou're around twenty people, you can feel
what all twenty people all mixed together. Oh, if I walk in Okay,
this is an example. Like I'ma nurse. I can walk into
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a room and I can feel whatanybody else is feeling. Like they're impainting,
I feel it. If they're depressed, I feel it. I could
walk into a bar and it's likeI could feel everybody's emotions at the same
time. So I kind of stayat home a lot. That would probably
give me a headache and make mestressed out because I have anxiety, So
it's depressing exactly. I have highanxiety and depression because of that. You
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can't control it, so you can'tturn it off at all. No,
like at night, I can't turnoff the ghosts or spirits or whatever.
People call them. I just sleepwith the light on because I mean I
could gem in their lights. Butmost of the time they'll leave me alone
if I've got the light on atnight. Once that light goes out,
they're there so you can wake up. And most of the times they're in
the room. I'll wake up atthree o'clock in the morning on the noose
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and they'll be somebody sitting in achair. You can see them, I
mean completely alike, a full person. Yeah, and they can talk.
I see them and they talk.What do they tell you? Oh,
they'll just they're just going to talk. Or they'll say, can you tell
somebody? And they'll mention a nameand I'll write it down that when you
can go talk to them and tellthem that I'm okay. Or can they
find this work there? Find that? And or I hid this and I
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need them to look for it.And I'm like, no, that person's
probably dead now. Some of themdon't. They know they're dead, but
they don't know time. That's onething that I've heard from people that talk
about near death experiences. I've readmany different stories about people who've experienced those,
and that's one common denominator. Theyall say that there's no recollection of
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time. There is just no time. It's not like there's minutes or anything.
There's no there's just it doesn't exist. I guess that's how. Yeah,
my brother he comes to visit mebecause he's tat and his grandson was
a stillborn. Okay, but heshows me he's still growing like a normal
child. I was like, okay, I didn't know dad either. So
your brother is deceased and his andhe visits you. Yes, my brother's
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dead. How did he die?Does he talk about it or does he
tell you why why he did that? Or oh, yeah, yeah he
did. He was he was youknow, he just got on drugs and
everything like that and he couldn't controlit. So but he's always round his
daughter, and he tells me likeif she has a vacation, he wants
to know where she is. Theycan show up out of nowhere so they
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can see how it is. Theycan see what's going on in your life.
I mean that yeah, oh yes, everything you do. They can
see ahead everything, and you haveto tell them, like if you go
the room, you know, youknow you'd be with your stuffs or something.
You have to tell everybody to getout. You have to open the
door and say everybody out. Nobodystays in good bye, and you shut
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the door and don't stay out.But once you go to sleep, now
it's on. Oh that's that's prettyfascinating. So you've had this your whole
life, my whole life. Mysister has it, my other sister has
it, my mom has it.So then that's true about that's yeah,
I've heard that a lot too.That's past. It's passed from family members.
Yeah, so that is true then, especially Native Americans. My mother's
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Native Americans, so it is pastedin her family. So is your mom
still is she's still alive today?Yeah? Does she get visits from your
brother? Yes, but now shehas Alzheimers, So I don't know whose
business are now. Oh, shemay not even realize it then, So
let me ask you this, right, this is something that's fascinated me really
about the paranormal. I've watched andI understand that they hollywood it up,
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but I've seen television programs about psychicswho have supposedly allegedly assisted in homicide investigations
and things like that, and Ido believe that that is possible, that
maybe there are some instances where thatis correct, because I've seen like where
the actual officer said, yes,this person did help me and this person
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didn't know some things. Is thatreal? When people can do that,
you can really communicate with a personthat's been murdered and they can tell you
what happened and who did it?Is is that real? They can tell
you, But there's some things theywant to tell you, and you can
ask certain things that they're not goingto tell you. Certain things, Well,
why did you say, Oh,I don't know, I always acted
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there Heaven and Hell. They willnot answer that question, not a one
of them will answer it. Andthat's what disturbs me, And like,
why will you not answer that question? And then they'll just they'll it's not
need to know. That makes memad. Let me ask you this,
do you are you a Christian ora Muslim? What's your faith? I'm
a Christian? I am also andI know in the Bible it says to
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be absent from the body is tobe present with the Lord, and for
the most part, I do believeit. But I've also had my own
paranormal experience, and I was atotal skeptic until it happened to me,
and I actually lived through some thingslike that, So that's always been something
that I've wrestled with. I don'tunderstand that if you die. I always
thought that you go to wherever you'resupposed to go, and then you can't
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stay behind on earth. What's yourthought about that? Why are people left
behind? It that some do goto their wherever they're supposed to go and
they don't come back, but somecan go there and come back because they
want to keep an eye on whothey love and care for. That whole
thing just really fascinates me, andthat's why I'm glad I'm getting to talk
to you so I can ask youfor your opinion on that. They're not
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going to tell you. I mean, how do you ask them? Do
you just say, hey, isthere a heaven? I straight up I
asked my brother. I said,is there a heaven and hell? And
he just looked at me. Hesaid, you'll find out some day.
I can't tell you. Well,why can't you tell me? He's telling
you not to tell me. I'veasked every one of them that, yeah,
I don't have any kind of abilitiesor see anything strange, but I
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was having a really tough time backin two thousand and four. I mean
I was very stressed out. Iwas at a very low point in my
life, and it was almost likeI was hoping that I would die.
I mean, that's how bad Iwas feeling about how things were in my
life. And I remember one nightgoing to bed and my grandfather came to
me in a dream. My grandfatherhad been dead, he died in ninety
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eight, and then he came tome in two thousand and four in a
dream. Now, the thing was, I don't ever remember my dreams,
and if I do remember them,they're never clear. So what happened was
this dream was clear. I meanit was so clear that I could touch
him. I mean, that's howclear. But the reason why I know
it was my grandfather was because thisperson who came to me, I did
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not recognize him. I didn't knowwho he was. He had like black
hair, it was slicked back,it was oiled back. He had jeans
and a T shirt, and hewas wearing like loafers, and he was
really really handsome, and he hada dark tan. I didn't know who
it was until he talked, andthen I recognized his voice as my grandfather
and I asked him, I said, Grandpa, is that you and he
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said, yes, Mark, it'sme. I said, well, aren't
you dead and he said, mybody is, but I'm not dead.
And I was like exactly, Oh, my gosh. And I started talking
to him, and he told methat, you know, go talk to
your grandmother, because my grandmother wasalive at the time. He's like,
I want you to talk to yourgrandmother about this. Your grandmother can help
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you get through this. And Idid. I talked to my grandmother,
and you know, I told herabout the dream and she was like,
are that is exactly what your grandfatherlooked like when I first started dating him,
when he was like sixteen or seventeenyears old. He had he wore
his hair slick black, and healways had a ten because he was always
outside cutting grass and doing yard work. And she said he'd loved wearing a
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white tshirt and jeans. She says, that's exactly how he dressed. And
here's the thing, of course,I've never seen my grandfather. When my
grandfather was sixteen, and you figure, he was born in nineteen twenty five
and he was about sixteen, andI have never seen a photograph of my
grandfather when he was a teenager.So to me, there was no way
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that I could have possibly known whathe'd looked like and described him to the
team when I had never seen apicture of him, and like I said,
I didn't recognize him at first.He'll come visit you in your dreams,
and that's been the only time.Anybody says, yeah, yeah,
but that's been the only time.I mean, he's been. He died
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in ninety eight and it was justthat one time. I've always hoped that
he'd come back. He's never returned. It's just once, right, But
if you it's sometimes like even ifthey don't say usually come by, come
by in your dreams, or tovisit you when you're really really having a
hard time at life. Okay,a lot of them will do that,
and that's what so they is itlike they know that you're upset, or
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you know they're watching. They're aroundall the time, even though you don't
see them. We just can't somebodylike me that sees them all the time.
It's just like what a curse.But you know they're there. And
I could walk into a room andI could feel something as soon as I
walked in at that place has spirits, I'll know within minutes of walking in.
So not every place you go tohas spirits, not unless they're following
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me. So like if you wereto go into a church, you wouldn't
would you see anything in a churchor say Walmart? There's times I do
when I do go to the church. Now, I won't see any ghosts
per se. There are attachments towhose others? There? Have you ever
told somebody like your mother says tosay hello to you or something like you
know something along those Oh no,Well, I don't want people think I'm
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crazy and say no, because you'vegot the people who don't believe, and
they will sit there and say no, there's no way. But to others
you'll tell them and they'll be finewith it. Oh I kind of see
your dad or something like that.Like my niece she says, I talked
to Daddy all the time, buthe never lets me see him. I
said, well, you just gotto keep on. One day you'll see
him again. He will pop upwhen you're least expecting it, like on
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a snowy night. Now, andhere's the other thing, and I this
is something that I don't know it'san intuition for me. But I have
a feeling and I know that whenI die that my grandfather is going to
appear to me. I'm going tosee him before I close my eyes for
the final time. He's going tobe in the room with me, and
he's gonna be waiting, and whereverI'm gonna go, he's gonna be there
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with me to go. And Idon't know how I know this. I
used to work cocktas well. It'strue because I'm telling you right now,
I used to work Cockta, Okay, and at every time, right before
but he dies, they start tellingyou about people standing around their beds and
the remaining and they'll be talking tothem. Yes, my grandfather, my
grandfather did that when he died.Right before he died, he was said,
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he told my dad and my grandmotherhe could see now he wasn't talking
to them, but he was talkingto himself. But my dad said,
and his last breath, he wassaying, I can see Nanette, which
was my aunt, which was hissister in law, and she had passed
a while ago, and he said, I can see her. I can
see her. She's waving me over. She's holding flowers and she's she's waving
me to come over. And thenmy dad said, he took his last
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breath, closed his eyes, andhe was gone. But he was talking
about my aunt, you know,my grandma's sister, and that was he
was talking to her and my dad'sand my grandma said, well, he
wasn't talking to us. Yeah,we don't know who he was talking to.
So I've seen it. And I'vealso seen patients getting ready to go
out in their care and their sheetsscreaming. So these things, they'll leave
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them alone, these black creatures.So I've seen that too, Shadowy,
they'll somebody they're waiting. Yeah,yeah, I see. I believe that.
I have a friend. It's ahospice nurse. And she says,
I mean, she hasn't told meanything like that, but she really loves
what she does. But she's she'sjust told me some things. But I
imagine being a hospice nurse, shewould probably see a lot of things.
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So, I mean, I've heardyou do, especially working in hospital.
All right, all right, wellyeah, that's where people die. I
mean. But yeah, I've heardstories about people that say that they've seen
like dark people their final words.So something bad before they die. Oh
yeah, because not everybody goes toheaven or the good. No, not
everybody does. Right. Yeah,you could walk through a hospital, especially
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if you're a medium or impact mediumor anything like that, and you could
walk down the hawse and you couldsee people who's past. They're just roaming
around the hall, so they don'tknow they're dead. And you see that
today. You're a nurse, soright, well, yeah, can you
see that? Every day? Ispart of your job? Every day?
Do you tell anybody your co workersknow? Oh, that's nurses. We'll
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sit there like some of them theygot there, I guess the guests and
some of them do. Some ofthem don't. They don't even care.
But I know what I've seen.And then I'll look over to another nurse
but said, did you see that? And she says no, I'll just
drop it and she says, yeah, I've seen it, and I'm like,
thank god, I knew I wasn'tpretty bease. So tell me things
like that. Tell me tell mean experience about if you mentioned something about
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the dark people, could you tellme something about that, what that is?
And then tell me an experience thatyou saw a patient. My husband
was in He was in the MarineCorps and I was in the military,
and I went to visiting on base. All over the barracks, I'm seeing
these dark figures. They are likeshadow people all over the barracks. And
you know, he'll listen to me, so I don't have a problem with
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that. And I'm like, because, so I want you to come in.
I said, I'm not coming inbecause why not? I said,
shadow people all over this barracks.I said, I'm not going in there.
I'm not going weird. I'm stayingin the car because to me,
every time I see those things,something bad happened. And I'm not adopted
building there like you. But hisunit has met to I ret. Yeah,
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it was Afghanistan, I think,and he had already gotten out and
one company of his was completely decimated. So I'm not there there. If
they were there for that, Idon't know. I try to stay away
from the dark figures because they're scaryand I don't know. There's something evil
about them, So why do theywhat do they want? I don't know.
I'm to me, I'm scared thatthey're there for soul. That's what
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I feel like. They're just evilthere's something about him. I don't know
what it is. You know what, you know what, I've seen him
before, right, you know whenI when I hear about when I see
stuff about the dark people, thedark man all that. You remember that
movie Ghosts with Patrick Swayze. Yeah, remember the scene where they remember that
there was a guy that killed himhis character, and then in the end
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when he dies, you see allthose dark people come crawling like out of
the sewer and they grabbed the guyand they drag him off. That's that's
kind of how I see it.I mean, I think that evil people
when they die, I think that'swhat happens to him. I think that
those dark souls or dark spirits orwhatever they are come to claim what's theirs.
Well, it's funny because I knewa lot of those guys in the
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parts, and they were a goodguys. And I'm just thinking, why
would they come over here? Youknow? That's what I was just like,
I don't know, Yeah, butyou don't know them here, you
don't you don't know them. Youknow, we only know what we see.
We don't know what goes on behindclosed doors. We don't know what
these guys did you know that they'renot telling you about. Yeah, I
mean, because over there, sometimesyou got to be evil to do,
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you know, to deal with people. I mean, how often did you
hear people say John Wayne Gacy,Oh boy, he was a great neighbor.
He was a great guy. Hedresses a clown, He went to
the hospitals and visited sick kids.I mean, he'd help you out if
he needed help. I mean Iheard a lot of good things about John
Wayne Gacy. We definitely know hewas not a good man. He wasn't
a good guy now, so yeah, I mean that's when I kind of
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wonder if that's what these dark people. Now I've kind of last Yeah,
you've seen okay, I mean I'veseen a crawling on a man's house across
the way from me, and theyhad children. I'm like, why are
they over on that house and nobodyelse's you know kind of thing. So
you see them different places, okay, and you don't know why they're there,
and I'd like to know what theyare because they scare me. And
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I don't scare that easy. That'scrazy. I mean, yeah, I
don't understand what those are either.I've done I've done reading on them,
and I've heard about them. Butyou know, here's the thing. I've
never seen anything like that straight forward, but I swear that sometimes, like
there have been times where I'm justsitting at my house reading a book or
something, and out of this cornerof my eye, I've seen something moved
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past me, like a shadow justwalk past me. And I turn around
and I look and it's not there'snothing there, of course, but I
won't see it face on it onlyI only see it out of the corner
of my eye. So that's Idon't know what people say that that I
talked to, Really, what doesthat mean? How come I don't see
it? Because you you're not openenough yet. If you were to get
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around, say, say you wereto be around a medium or an impact,
after a while you will start tofeel or see what they see.
Like my husband was never open atall, and now he can see and
build things. He's like, whatdid you do the Like, I didn't
do anything that you didn't have alreadythere. You just got to be open
enough. I've heard that. I'veheard that. I've heard that that's why
the lot of kids are more susceptibleto seeing things and I've heard pets can
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see things too. Cats and dogsare very susceptible and ghosts and spirits and
things like, oh yeah, didthey see everything? Because they've not of
course, Oh yes, there's nobodytelling them that they're nuts, so you
know, And because like if youtell like ministers or anything, what you
what you see or whatever, theydon't want to believe you. But if
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you go to a Catholic priest,they believe you right right, Yeah,
they do the exorcisms, see,I believe exactly, but they know.
And it's kind of strange that itonly seems like Catholic priests can get rid
of the demons. I mean,when you see the Exorcists or any of
those shows, it's not like theygo and get a Baptist preacher. It's
always a Catholic priest. Oh no, you don't even tell your minister of
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Lord Almighty. He'll be sitting theresaying, you're just being demons. No,
it's my brother I saw and Italked to him. He's not a
demon, no kind of thing.Yeah, but a Catholic priest will say,
yeah, I understand, you know, we see this stuff all the
time. Sure they do. Asa matter of fact, I was reading
about a Catholic priest. I hadshared it on my Facebook page where he
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says he doesn't averages six he doessix exorcisms a year. Oh yeah,
he doesn't write like you said,he doesn't regularly. So well, there's
the Catholic Church. If you contactthem, they'll tell you they said that
their exorcism has gone at like ninetyeight percent in the last few years.
Why is that? That makes mewonder? What do you think? What's
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your opinion on that? There's quitea bit of evil out there today.
I think people have lost their moralsand how else to collect souls? Then
you know, people who've lost alltheir morals and all their all their kindnic
and there's a lot of evil outthere. I mean a lot lately.
And I've noticed it increased since Iwas a kid. You know, you
wouldn't talk back to your parents,you know, I'm taxing six years old.
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I would have never talked on Ididn't either. No, I wouldn't
either my parents, my parents.If I talked crazy my parents, me
and my brothers, they usually justgave us a look, or they go
peeple to switch off the tree,and or you know, they just fly.
I'll punch your lights exactly. Youlearn you respected your mom and dad
when you're at least me my brothers. Yeah, my dad is alved.
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Yeah. My dad was an Armyvent combat bet. He served two tours
in Vietnam. Now my dad,I don't know. I don't know what
kind of stuff my dad can.I don't Now. This is strange and
I'll never forget the story. Mydad told me this story when I was
little, and I still remember uberit. But my dad told me that
when he left Vietnam, he stayedand he went into Thailand and that's where
he met my mother, and that'show I ended up coming over here.
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But my dad said that he wentoutside and there was a lady and he
was staying in an apartment or something, and he said, there was this
lady standing in the yard next doorand she was playing flowers or doing something,
and my dad said, he,you know, just being neighborly.
He just walked over and said helloto her. And my dad said,
you know, it's a nice dayball, you know, just some small
talk. And my dad said,you know, he just talked to her
like normal and then didn't think nothingof it. And then he had told
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me that. I guess. Lateron that day he was talking to a
police officer and he was telling thepolice officer about that woman. He's like,
well, yeah, I was overhere talking to this lady that was
over here, and my dad saidthat. The policeman said, did she
look like this? Did she lookedlike this? And he described her and
my dad said, yeah, yeah, that was her. That was her.
Yeah, she lives in this shelives right here. And my dad
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said the policeman said, no,no, no, no, that's not
her. She's dead. She committedsuicide. I think she hanged herself.
My dad said no, no,my Dad's like, no, no,
no, she she she she couldn'thave been dead. My dad said,
she was real. She was Shewasn't like a sea through apparition. She
was a real person. I talkedto her and I said, no,
she's she's been dead for a while. She killed herself. My dad said,
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other people have said the same thing. Other people have seen this woman.
And my dad told me that storywhen I was a kid, and
he's told to me a couple oftimes and it's still to this day,
all these years later. I mean, it was probably fifty years ago,
and my dad said that that's thatjust freaked him out. Even today,
he has no explanation for that,but he knows he's not the only one
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that's ever seen. You can seepeople like they're dead. Sometimes you can
even touch them and they feel real. That's what my dad said. But
he said she was real. Youcould touch her, right, Yeah,
but i'mlike us, they're cold.He didn't touch her, so, yeah,
that would have been creepy if hewould trying to her. Yeah,
I want to make sure I'm notcrazy, right. So something else that
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I was really really fascinated with aboutyour information you sent me. I'm a
big time Civil war buff. Imean, I love reading about stories about
the Civil War. So when youwere writing about how you were a nurse
in a hospital that was built overa where a war, a civil war
battle had been fought and seeing aghost generally tell me about that story,
(28:21):
That's that that got me. That'sthe scariest place I've ever been. So
where was this, Um we hadwit there? Well, it was a
it was a nursing home built ona Civil war battlefield, and um,
you know there had to be peoplethere there too. Was this in Virginia.
So we were sent there as contractorsin Virginia, a bunch of US
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nurses and it was snowing. Youknow, nobody could get in except for
two of US nurses. So weyou know, we were taking care of
everything. We're in this room andwe heard three loud knocks. I thought
that this the building a sec inand then we heard whistle them and I'm
sitting there. I'm continuing what I'mdoing. Do you know, I'm an
impact medium. I know what's coming. You'd got to do something, So
(29:03):
I just kept doing I was doingit. She looked at me, she
did, did you hear that?I don't hear anything. Well, I'm
trying to play it off, andshe goes, do you hear that whistling?
And I sigh. I said,yes, I hear it, and
it's like an old tune that youwould hear, like back in the Civil
War. So the way we goto our desk, we'll finish down there.
We go to our desks. We'resitting there watching the Civil War.
Officer walked down the hall and I'msitting there looking at her, and she's
(29:26):
looking at me. I said,you see that. She goes, I
do see that? And he's walkingin the room well whole And any other
night we were there, we wouldhear a music plan, we would hear
the doors. You could see likethe little candles moving on the doors.
But every time the next day weasked the nurses about that because we were
seeing all kinds of stuff in there, and we asked the nurses. Coming
(29:48):
on, I say, we're gonnaask you something. You can tell us
we're crazy whatever, But who wouldI said, do y'all see a civil
war? Also walking up and downthe hall, and they go, yes,
every time somebody goes the path,he comes. We had somebody tapped
that night after he went in thatroom. But it's like that every time
facility. Is it still there?That facility? Do you think? Is
it still there? I don't know, but I could find out. That's
(30:11):
fascinating. So apparently one play saiddid not want to go back to Yeah,
so apparently it didn't. He didn't. It didn't matter if anybody so
he didn't care. I guess ifyou saw him or not. He was
just a vail. He just camearound whenever somebody was gonna die. Oh
that's pretty fascinating, do you knowwho he was. No, I didn't
want to find the hell. Yeah, I'm a little curious. I would
(30:32):
probably would have wanted to know.It could have been the Angel of Death
disguise is one of those I don'tknow. I didn't want to find the
hell. I was like, Ijust want to get out of here,
and I want anything following me home. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's
always something you got to worry aboutthem following you home. So he only
showed up when somebody was getting readyto die. Yeah, so you knew
when you saw him, even ifthey were somebody was going to die.
(30:55):
Oh yeah, the nurses always knew. That's pretty man. I know that
we had went in this one roomthat was playing music and there was no
radio when there at all, Iplayed that hit. I'm locking the store.
I'm going back down to the nursesdesk, and I'm not going back
in that room because I don't knowwhat I'm going to find. Right from
all the experiences that you've seen,I mean, I know you've seen the
Shadow Man, you've seen the CivilWar general and the Hoofs, and you've
(31:18):
seen the Devil. But did theydid you ever feel like they were they
weren't trying to harm you? Werethey or were they just there? Because
it doesn't seem like, oh uh, your experiences. It just seems like
they wanted you to know that theywere there. But to me, it
doesn't really sound like they were outto harm you. Is that a good
assessment? Um? No, notwell, most of the spirits or nothing.
(31:42):
No, they don't. I've hada demon attacked me before and he
was out to hurt me. Sothose can hurt you, and they will.
I've heard of it. Anybody saysthat the will hurt you. Yes,
I've heard that, the about thescratch marks on the body and things
like that. And yet I hadhim right up between my five and they
were deep and they hurt. Iwas frightening with Almighty God behind me.
(32:07):
And they don't always show up atnight like everybody think. This was in
the morning after duty. Yeah,I was like and it was still sunny
out. I was like, no, So did you see him? Because
I had went to the at thehospital. I did not see him.
No, this isn't my home.Oh okay, so they attacked your home.
Yeah, yeah, I had alreadyjust gotten I've just gotten a day
(32:29):
because I worked nighte okay, andI just got in bed. That hadn't
been the most frightening thing that everhappened in my life. Because I went
to the priest the next day andI was like, you know, this
happened to me, and he becauseI know, he says there were a
lot of women in your neighborhoods thatcame here today too, So I don't
think it was just me because itwas kind of weird. Yeah, that
sounds very strange, but we're women. Say they get they get attacked,
(32:50):
they get attacked. These things areruthless. So do you think it's because
I think is it satan? Idon't know what it is because my niece
has gotten a tat too, andmy sister and my mother. Is it
satan? Do you think? Idon't know. I don't think so.
I think it's his minions, Ireally do, because these things are ruthless
and you only hear grunting and breathing. They don't say anything. They just
(33:13):
grunt and breed and try to crawlup their body and stuff. It's frightful.
I've never been so scared in allmy life. So when you talked
to the priest, was the preestableto help you out with that. Oh
yeah, definitely. And I've moved, Oh yeah, I think I would
imagine. I don't know if it'sattached to the house, the land,
I don't know where it comes from. I don't want to be there again.
(33:36):
So when you see these spirits,you said you see your brother regularly.
Is he the only person that yousee regularly? Is there anybody else?
I see all kinds of people.My brother, though, he'll come
around when he's looking for his daughter, if he goes on vacation or something.
And he feels real because he scaredme one night, the first time
he ever showed up. I wasin bed and I just goes off and
I felt somebody put their arm acrossme, like they were hugging me.
(33:59):
But came up from the floor.He had to it. I mean that's
the way I looked at it.And he's like holding me and I come
up out of that bed screaming bloodymother. And he felt real, like,
you know, he looked like hedid when we were in high school.
And then I turned around and lookingat him and he's like, don't
don't be scared, don't be scaredas me, he said, it's your
brother. And I'm looking at himlike, oh my god, don't you
(34:21):
ever do that to me again.I said, you know you're dead,
right? He gaus, I know, he said, I come to visit.
I was like, you could havecome through the front door. I
don't think that's how they do ifit don't scare you. What was that?
I said, I don't think that'show they work. I think they
just kind of show up whenever theywant to show up. Yeah, they
do. And the weird way too. You don't come up through the floor,
come through a wall. I mean, you can't use the door and
(34:42):
you just show up. Yeah,he felt real. I could feel him,
you know. And you said thathis daughter, your niece, can
she sees him too? Does Whatwas that? I said, does his
daughter? You said, your niecedoes she see him also? No,
she said she doesn't. She doesn'tsee him. She can feel him,
but she can't see him. Onlyyou can see him now. My other
niece now she can see at everything. That's like me thing. There must
(35:07):
be some interesting family reunions that youguys have. Woh, that's pretty crazy.
I mean I don't know so.I mean it is a medium.
You can, so you can actuallyjust talk to him. Could you make
a request to speak to a certainone? Is that possible or is that
not? You only see whoever showsup. That doesn't work. You could
(35:30):
show up, you couldn't speak well, say oh, I could call them,
you know when they answer no,you know, that's not how it
works. They only come to youwhen they want to come, and you
can ask all day long. It'slike they they're like, yeah, whatever,
I'm coming on my own time.You couldn't ask for John F.
Kennedy come visiting me. I said, you couldn't ask for John F.
(35:51):
Kennedy to come visit. You couldn'tcall out for John F. Kennedy.
No, nothing like that, notat all. They show up when they
want to, They leave when theywant to. Sometimes I have to get
ugly and get out the stage andsay if you don't get out, I'll
start using this and then they'll leave. So there's another thing that I had
thought those Yeah it sounds well,sounds yeah, that doesn't. I know
(36:13):
people call it a gift, butI agree, I don't. I don't
know. I have to debate onthat one. You had said that you
saw it, you saw a boyand he were playing Peekaboo and then he
was it was a murder victim,something along those lines. Tell me about
that story. Yeah, that isan interesting story. Oh that's sad.
I mean when I see children,I just it's so sad. Because I
(36:37):
woke up because I felt like somebodywas looking at me. The little boy
was standing next to my bed.He had a little red ball cap on,
a little blond child as soon ashe can be. And he's sitting
there playing peekaboo with me, andI'm like, okay, so if I'll
just play into it a little bitto see what happens someone, I'm sitting
there doing it, and then followinghe stopped and looked at and he says,
can you help me unlock and decide? Im rate back home? He
(37:00):
said, And I can't, andI'm going to go. Oh my God,
said, well, I don't knowwhere you live. I said,
you know, you need to callout to your mom and see if you
can go back there. And I'msitting and think an oh boy, this
is gonna go great, and thenhe just disappeared. Well, the next
morning I was watching TV and thereit was the little boy with the red
(37:21):
hat on he had been murdered.That sent shows down the spine because I
don't like to see little children becauseI know it's usually not good. They
did they catch the killer? Um, I don't remember. It's been a
while, oh so, but Idon't think they did well. He couldn't
tell you what happened to him,no, because he was little. I
(37:42):
mean he was like four years old, is that four or five? And
he just did not know where hewas. It's great. In my family,
we call us if they're we're likea light. I dead know where
we are able to find it.I heard about that. It's like we
send out the beacon and they justshow what. I guess. I guess
I should be glad to say thatI'm not a beacon. But I guess,
(38:04):
like you said, if if,if you're around somebody that has that,
and maybe you'll pick up monitor orsomething. I suppose I don't know,
because I've always wondered why some peoplesee Yeah, I always wonder why
some people seem to have that abilityand then some people just don't. I
mean, I think it's more we'reopen, Like you know, we have
like a third eye. It's openand we can't close it. Believe me.
(38:25):
If I could, I would.I don't care who says it's a
gift. It is not a gift. And I laugh at some of these
ghosts shows. They've got these paranormalshows, I really do. I will
laugh at. Well, I don'tthink a lot of them because I'm like,
not real. I think a lotof them are fake. Yes,
that's that's what I think, becauseif you really see one, believe me,
(38:46):
can I get possessed? Every timeyou do a show? It just
doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah,I think what it is. It's Hollywood.
You know they're doing it for ratings, so you know they have to
see something otherwise you won't watch.Yeah, exactly. And most of the
time I just watch them just alast because I'm like, yeah, you
(39:07):
call out a goot saying, thenwhen you see one you start screaming like
a girl. Well that's not howit works. You called them, you
want them, and now that you'reday at, are all right to them?
I agree? All fun game.Well, I've heard about people that
have picked up spirits and brought themhome and then they can't get rid of
them, you know, but yeahyou can't if you like, if you
go to a cemetery or something.You better, you better make sure you
(39:30):
clean yourself before you go in andwhen you come out, because it's not
something following your home. Yeah,I've heard stories like that. That's the
drug, honest truth. I've beento a few funerals, and I've never
felt like I've ever brought anything home. I guess I just consider myself fortunate.
But I've never I've been to alot of cemeteries. I've never felt
anything. I guess maybe I wouldclean yourself if I would just say,
(39:51):
I'm probably just not susceptible that Idon't know, But then I did.
I did have my own experience,but it only happened once, you know,
years ago. But I don't know. I find the whole thing just
fascinating trying to figure it out.I guess it's just something that we're not
going to be able to figure outuntil it's our time to die, and
then then we won't Like you.I guess you said, your brother,
(40:13):
we'll know when we're supposed to know. Yeah, you can. You can
ask everybody, and everybody's going tohave a different experience or experiences. I
could go after a battlefield and offsee stuff people won't see and you know,
and you know you don't want tobring him home with you either,
So you know you have to pickand choose where you go. Have you
been to Getty But I don't wantto have to know, never been there,
(40:35):
But I have been to North Carolinaand Georgia and places down around there.
I don't want to go up there. I've been enough for the one
down where I live. So whenyou send you see stuff on a battlefield.
So if you go to one oldbattlefield, what what what do you
see? What does it tell?Describe that? Well? Sometimes but you
will see you'll see the battle inin motion. I mean it will be
(40:57):
going sometimes like I went to Idon't know what they call them, but
it's just like a little encampment andthey're all sitting there just talking to each
other and you know, or eatingor whatever. They won't be doing anything
particular, and there won't be abattle going on, but you'll see them,
you'll see injured or whatever. Andthen other times you'll walk into a
battlefielding will I can hear and seewhat's going on, and it's that's a
(41:21):
scary thing because you don't want tosee anybody getting blown up. You know,
I've seen enough of that, youknow, so it's like you see
it for real. You smell itlike I smell I It's like you can
you can smell the gunpowder, youcan smell the blood, and it's like
in three D right in front ofyour face. That's amazing like that everywhere
(41:42):
I go. Now, what aboutlike a graveyard. I know you must
see you see something in a graveyard. Oh yeah, you always see stuff
in the graveyard. And it's seriouslylike me and my sister went to a
cemetery day to visit my grandfather andmy dad and everybody, and me,
being a veteran, I know whereto put the flag on the grave or
whatever the well. My sister justpicked one up and she put it a
certain place on the grade without thinking. We're halfway home, and I turned
(42:06):
around and look and I'm like,what did you do? She goes you
see him too, I'm like,yeah, you're sitting in the back seat.
It was a soldier sitting in theback seat. I said, all
right, let's go back. Yougot to take him back. So we
had to go back there. Shehad to show me what you're good and
I put the flag in the rightplace and he left he stayed there.
Oh my god. Oh, butyou will have attachments if you don't pay
(42:28):
attention to what you're doing in thesegraveyards. Some may be good and them
may not be because they will followyou. Yeah, I see, I've
heard. I've heard stories about peoplewho who brought stuff home, like whether
they play with a wheezy board,or they go to ay go to a
cemetery looking for ghosts, or goon ghost hunts and then they bring some
kind of evil spirit back or something. I've heard many stories about that happening
(42:51):
to people because people don't think it'sreal. Oh yeah, you know,
they think they play around with thesethewegian boards and stuff. Don't do that,
anybody, listen, don't do that. I agree. Asking for trouble,
I don't even big trouble. Idon't do those. I don't do
the terret cards, I don't dothe seances. I don't. I don't.
I don't do anything. I mean, I am a Christian shot because
(43:15):
I don't and I believe in evil, and I do believe it's out there,
but I do not believe in temptingfate and mess around with that stuff
because I know it's dangerous. There'ssome evil things out there. They are
good things out there that just someof them don't know they're dead, and
some of them do. Some ofthem like to talk a lot. Do
they tell you, like I'd reallylike to sleep now? Did they tell
(43:37):
you about their lives? Oh?Yeah, they'll tell me all kinds of
stuff. Things I don't even wantto hear. Did they tell you how
they died? Some of them will. Some of them don't remember. I
don't remember. Some of them don'tremember. Let's say I know I died,
I just don't remember. How itsounds like? Okay, I wonder
why that's. I wonder why thatis. I find that in the most
(44:00):
older ones, like it's eighteen hundredsor so like that, some of them
don't remember. I don't know ifit's as time goes by they form things
or they don't know, or Idon't know. It's weird. Can you
convince them to move on? No, that doesn't look that way, because
they don't want to move on.They're not gone up. You could talk
to them all a day about thatand they'll just look at you like,
(44:22):
I'm not going anywhere. I'm notready and you're like, okay, it's
not like how they show one thelittle ghost stories. You know, hey,
you have a light, a boxor whatever. Walk through the door
doesn't work that way. You couldtell them that all day long. If
they're not ready, they're not going. Yeah, I tried it. I
guess I don't understand. Why Whywould they want to stay here? Why?
(44:45):
I mean I would to me,I would think that if you die,
you want to move on to thenext plane, not stay here.
Now. I ask my brother thesame question, why are you still here?
Will I have to make sure mydaughter's okay? He said, I'm
not leaving here till she leaves.I'm like cocaine in exactly the way you
want it. But some of themare like that, they're not going to
(45:05):
leave unless they're ready. That's interesting. Like I don't see I don't see
my grandmother anymore, I don't seemy dad, I don't see my grandpa
anymore. After a certain point,it just sat coming around. But your
brother comes around though others don't.That's interesting. Well, that's definitely been
an educational listening all this um becauseI, like I said, I don't
know anything. I don't really knowanything about being a medium or anything or
(45:29):
how it works. So if youwere to go to I don't know,
let's say you went to I'm goingto go back to the crime thing again.
What would happen if you went toa murder scene? For instance?
Would you've been there so you've actuallygone to a homicide scene or yes,
I was, I pregn I guessinvestigator why I was going to college?
(45:52):
Okay? And I used to drawthe pictures when we go in there,
and because that's how you can seesome people are still standing there in the
death state, and you don't knowwhy they're still there. That's when I
say you see people at sometimes ifthey die tragically and a horrible way,
you'll see him just as they justas they died, and it's really bad,
(46:13):
really bad. And they don't theydon't. They've never told you anything
like hey I was killed, somebodykilled me or no, they'll just stand
there stare atude. They would onlyjust stare at me. They wouldn't move.
It's like they're confined. They don'tknow what to do. They just
stand there and you're like, ohGod, I'm looking at this person who's
in a horrible state right now,and I don't know what to say,
and yeah, I think they're confusedand they don't know what to say.
(46:37):
I mean, that's it's really hardto imagine that. I don't know,
it's just hard for me to graspthe idea that that would happen, that
people would just be hanging around hereafter they die and you know, and
not knowing anything. I guess it'sI guess because it's so much the way
as a Christian person you're raised thatyou know that doesn't happen, that you
(46:58):
know, when you die, yougo to heaven or you go to Hell.
I mean, that's pretty pretty standard. You hear that a lot,
and I grow up and that's kindof what you expect. You don't but
then you know, it's just oneof those things that people have explained different
people looking at it. I've gotto look at different both sides because I
was born with it, right,not nothing. I wanted to believe you,
right, if it was just aseasy as you know, hey,
(47:21):
they're going to die, go toHeaven and hell. Hey good, that's
great, fantastic that they're not goingto do it. It's like you can
walk in the room and that couldbe fifty spirits standing there and you steal
them. You know, It's justjust they're not all leaving, not at
all, even though they might havehad a peaceful, great death, They're
going to stay around because they haveunfinished business. It's what I look at
it. Yeah, I've heard thata lot. The unfinished business thing.
(47:45):
I've heard that, and maybe theydon't ever finish it. I don't know.
Well, it's like, um,the Lincoln assassination and Mary Saratt was
the first lady in American history tobe executed, and she was executed for
supposedly being involved with killing Lincoln.Years later, a lot of researchers have
(48:07):
looked into it and read more intoit, and a lot of people think
that she she was actually innocent.She was falsely convicted and executed. A
lot of people to this day haveseen her ghosts. They claim that they
see her ghosts, that she's stillwalking around. I wouldn't be surprised if
she's walking around, and she willwalk around until maybe she gets a pardon
(48:30):
or she's exonerated one day. Idon't think that will ever happen. But
exactly, but I think that aslong as she her record stays as she
was, you know, convicted forbeing involved in killing President Lincoln, and
she's she's gonna still be around forever. Yeah, it's like I have got,
I've got We will stay away fromsanitarian I stay away from old hospital,
(48:52):
and I stay away from cemeteries.If I don't have to go there,
I'm not gonna because if they're crazyin your life, that they're going
to be crazy and death. That'sreally fascinating. I mean, I don't
know. I guess I thought it'sjust it's how it's really a lot to
take in, you know, Imean how that works. But I mean
(49:13):
I know it has to there hasto be something to it because so many
people have had these experiences, andthere's so many mediums and people who've experienced
really strange things with the paranormal.So, and it's been going on for
centuries. People from centuries ago talkedabout those stories. We're seeing ghosts all
(49:34):
throughout my family they all had thisproblem. So and you know, because
it's a gift, Well, noit's not. Do you wake up at
three o'clock in the morning somebody aboutto talk to you? Right, No,
No, it's not. Yeah,I'd like to have a normal life
to go out in public and nothave to see anything. That would be
great. Maybe one day you'll getthat. Whose kids want to go out
(49:54):
there to find ghosts and stuff,Now stay out of it. That is
that your advice to them, tostay out of it. That's my advice.
Don't go looking for something you won'twant to get that you were going
to regret. And that sounds likean axe. Would you board alone and
all that? That sounds like areally good piece of advice. So let
me ask you this last question.My last question I want to ask you
(50:16):
tonight would be if if somebody wereto ask you to define exactly what is
it that a medium does? Whatwould you say? What's your purpose for
having this? I don't know whatmy purpose is, you know, I
really don't know. It's I thinkit's just something through my blood that was
born in me. But that mydefinition is I'm there so they can talk.
(50:39):
I'm kind of like they're psychologist,if you will, because some of
them just want to talk and thenthey'll just go away once they've talked,
harried out a conversation. I thinkI'm kind of like their psychologist.
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